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Join me and James Co as we take a deep dive into the position that's going to make or break your fantasy roster. Wide receivers. We analyze route running, target share, and all the metrics that matter, giving you the insights you need to draft the best wide receivers. As you prep for your draft, let us give you the coverage you need. Follow and listen to Reception Perception on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, John, here we go. It's Pat's Peritime. Let's get to whatever else is going on in Pat's Nation. We have a question as we are broadcasting live across the WEI, FTSE, GFI, and six-ring socials. One of our regular attendees here in the forum, Joey Zaguire, says, "Good morning, guys!" Brandon Niyok is available. Should we go after him? I mean, don't even need to, I mean, yeah, I'm going to tee that with that. You know what that is? That's a golf ball the size of a softball with no trees on the fairway. And you've got Rodney Date, you've got Al Shervick's driver from Catty Shack. You are just ready to bomb that one straight onto the green. What do you got? Yeah, that's like as easy as Chris Taps Porzingos making a layup, right? That course I want Brandon Niyok. Yeah, and look, let's be clear. Brandon Niyok would walk in and be the best player on the Patriots offense. And I know in San Francisco, if we're being like, he's probably the third or fourth option in that past game because they have Debo Samuel, George Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, and then Iyuk. So I know on the surface, it might be like, well, he's the fourth option. Okay, well, he had 75 catches for 1,300 yards and 7 touchdowns last year, was the second highest-graded receiver by Pro Football Focus. And let's also be fair, George Kittle's probably, in my opinion, the best overall tight end in the NFL, but the second best passing game tight end in the NFL. And I hope you're watching Side Note. I hope you're watching receiver because not only is it great NFL content and off-season programming, another absolute smash by Omaha Productions, and it kills me to have to give all these credits and laurels and flowers to Peyton Manning, but Omaha Productions is killing it. If you watch this show and you don't leave a not just significantly, but massively bigger George Kittle fan than you already were, and I'm imagining you like I is a George Kittle fan, holy smokes guy. He is so entertaining, and I'm rooting for him each and every second I watch this show. And so that's the thing though, right? So yeah, okay, I use the fourth option San Fran. Well, Kittle's the second best receiving tight end in the league. Deebo Samuel is a top three receiver in the NFL. And Christian McCaffrey is the best running back in the NFL. So you put Iuke on any other team, and he's probably the number one at what, you know, maybe a handful of teams like Cincinnati or something, or Houston, he's number two, but he's essentially the number one on every team. And what's awesome about IU, 17.9 yards per catch, 75% of his snaps were out wide, but he still had 25% of his snaps in the slot. So you can move him around a little bit. He's good after the catch. He's good in space. He's good in traffic. I mean, he's essentially great hands, great hands. He only had two drops all of last year. Yeah, great hands. Like he's exactly what the Patriots have been missing in their past game. He's everything they wanted Nikille Harry to be and not to bring up a bad memory to all of us Patriots fans. But everything they wanted that guy to be is what Brandon Iuke is. And not only would I do the trade, they took the wrong guy from Arizona State sign of a pitch. Yeah, I know. And they also didn't take DK Metcalfe or Deebo Samuel that year, but that's a whole another story. But I would not only would do the deal, I wouldn't trade the 2025 first round pick, but I would trade the 2026 first round pick. I would trade a second round pick, and I'd probably trade another pick on top of that. Because just for reference, Tyree Kill went for, I think, a first, a second and like a fourth and a fifth. It's our couple fours and got a massive deal. Yeah, they have 44 million in salary cap right now. And if they're going to tie it up, I'll ask you this. They built a video board instead of signing the Andre Hopkins. But the video board is paid for. So now they can, you know, sign up brand that was so they could get a world that was so they could get some World Cup matches and the craft. Hopefully it's not like Copa America and you and I can force our way in. I don't I don't think you want to be in those air ducts trying to sneak in through the HVAC. I'm going to be as far away from Gillette Stadium as possible in the World Cup. Oh my word. Yeah, that was a mess and then some at Hard Rock Stadium, for sure. But, okay, so you'd be willing to trade a future first and maybe even an auxiliary pick for Iyuk. Now, if you if if I yuk's on the table and we get to what the draft got over what the trade compensation will be in a second, if if it costs you if trading for Iyuk costs you resigning Matt Judon. Still in? Yeah, because I yuk's 26 years old and you look at Matt Judon. Well, you already I don't want to say it's full replacement. You kind of already have his replacement and key on white. You can sign Uche long term if he has another good year. You're good enough up the middle of Christian Barmore rushing the pastor and pushing the pocket and I love Judon. I think he's a great player. You know, I wish he could have been on some of those Super Bowl teams. I think he would have been a great fit. But if my choice is between Judon money and Iyuk money in this situation, I'm paying the guy who's 26, who is going to be your best player on offense. All right. So how much before we get to what the Patriots wide receiving core and what the offense would look like and what your expectations for would for this offense would be this season and going forward if they were to successfully pull off the IU trade. And we did get a report from, I believe, Josina Anderson yesterday, that being Tuesday as we record this Wednesday, July 17, 2024. There was a report that Elliott Wolf and the Patriots had been in touch with San Francisco recently asking if he was available and San Francisco said no, but it was yesterday that that Iyuk's representation officially came out and said we can't get a deal done. Therefore, our guy wants to be moved. All right. So let's see. What's it going to cost? Would you so you said you would rather not trade the first overall pick next year. And the reason I say that is it might be a really good pick. Right. Let's say like I have the Patriots right now going seven and 10. Okay. Let's say they go seven. That's probably a top 15 pick. Yeah. And so I want to keep that pick around because that top 15 pick will either be a left tackle. If you don't have an answer there, a receiver or a tight end that's really good or just, you know, some other stud defensive lineman in case you may see maybe you don't re-shine God show or something like somebody to pair with bar more exactly, right? It's going to be something really valid. Replace peppers who even knows who we don't even know who the free safety is this year. But yeah, could be a number of plug and play pieces. I would be inclined to give them. I do I would do two two number twos and a player. And I wonder who I wonder who they might ask for because they drafted Ricky Piersol, which was a surprise at the end of the first round, giving them five years of control of him. And John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan, they're not afraid to make bold choices on the field and bold moves off off the field and in the off season as well. So maybe they believe Debo and Kittle, Joanne Jennings, who had a spectacular really excellent postseason for them. Maybe they deem and they have the best running back in football and something could be better. Like part of it was pretty good. But like if he gets better, yeah, and they're going to have to pay him real soon as well because I think party is the real deal and not just a flash in the Mr. irrelevant pan either. So if they're going to move by you, why wouldn't you know, would they take two twos in a player on the field? Is there anyone on the Patriots you could see them asking for as well? Like, hey, we'll take, give us, what if they say like give us Jude on in a second? Jude on to pair with Nick Bosa would be pretty sweet if you're saying he would. I'm just saying. All right. Well, our friend, Hugh J says, I don't want Ayuk. We have other needs. Yeah. So is there a portion of the Pat's fan audience, Pat's nation at large, John, that would rather see this wide receiving core that they've assembled now, two rookies in Polk and Baker, plus DiMario Douglas, Tyquan Thornton, Kendrick Bourne, and KJ Osborne. That's what I'm calling for to likely be the six wide receivers on the team. Jaylen Rager, I think is going to qualify at special teams. I think the days of Juju Smith-Shuster are long gone as well. Like, is that enough? Should you just go to battle the season with that? Or do we need a number one wide receiver that path? Well, one of the reasons I like Ayuk so much is he's 26. So whether Drake May starts this year or he waits till 2025, this is a player that you can get four or so prime seasons with Drake May. And I think that in itself is really valuable. And if we're being honest, look, I like the Patriots receiving core, the list you just named, that's not good enough to be a top tier passing offense in the NFL. And again, it's not like the old days where they had pretty good receivers or one great receiver, but they had Rob Gronkowski at tight end. They don't have that. So if you want to win in today's NFL, you have to be able to throw the football. And I know Alex van Pelt wants to run the ball. I get it and running the ball is important, but you have to throw the football and you have to stop the pass effectively, by the way. Like, if you're going to win, you have to do those two things. One of our favorites, regular here, Pete the animal Austin watching live on YouTube, John, excuse me, counters right up to here, you have to throw the football. And I agree with you, but he's like, nope, run the ball. So there's an old smash mouth football win the Super Bowl. Okay, like, because that's our goal here, right to build. And I'm not saying this year, but the goal here is to build the team back to those banners you see over my shoulder. You got to throw the ball and you got to stop the pass every in the last 20 years. Every team that's won the Super Bowl has either had a good passing offense or a good passing defense. I know people don't always like to hear that for like, it's a fact. Every team that's won the Super Bowl, save maybe one, has had a good passing offense or a good passing defense, or at least both. Like the whole balance thing is way like balance in the NFL is not we run and we pass the same amount. It's we can do both. And when we need to do one or the other, we can do it effectively. Like that's what's going to win in the end. And again, like look at the Chiefs, they have the best quarterback in the league, best pass catching tight end in the league, and they have a really good pass defense. And they've won three out of the last six Super Bowls or whatever it is. Like all those Brady teams. Like, you know, and they just got rid of their best and they just got some picks back for their best cornerback who made his way to the Titans as well. God, what did I want that guy? And look, to the commenter's point, I think it was Hugh about like they have other needs. That's where I wonder like Elliot Wolf is a Packer guy. Like he's a draft and develop guy. Would he really want to give up multiple picks for a guy like maybe he wouldn't. And if you're San Fran, they traded a bunch of picks for Trey Lance, a bunch of picks for Christian McCaffrey. They're probably going to want three draft picks back for you just to help restock themselves as they go forward. How about a two two? I would do a two two and a four as well and just say, you know what? Hey, Jets, go ahead and trade for Devonta Adams. Hey, Buffalo, put together your key on Coleman and Kaleel Shakir and your new young, fancy wide receiving core. Hey, go ahead and add Odell Miami. We're going to actually come back and develop an elite wide receiving core eventually ourselves as well. And we're going to stack the right Arizona state wide receiver in the middle. There is an argument to be made as a lot of people are doing right now in the comment section as well, John, that if you're going to pay a running back top of the market or somewhere near top of the market money, it wasn't Josh Jacobs money, four for 48 in Green Bay. It was four for 36. So he's like lower and lower end of tier one top of tier two in Ramondre Stevenson. Nick Chester says, if this is a reboot of the Brown's offense, running the ball is absolutely priority. Number one, considering the stage that we're at at quarterback. You know, I told Hart on a previous podcast as well as on the radio. If there's anything I would love to see this out like, sure, I would love to see progress from Drake Me. Yes, I absolutely want to see Jalen Polk and J. Von Baker develop and become key cornerstones of the offense in the wide receiver room. I would love love love love love love to see Alex Van Pelt turn Drake Me into an efficient quarterback at first, but then have Stevenson and Gibson turn into Chub and Hunt 2.0. I love the idea that you could have either of them run or either of them go out in the flat and catch a ball any given time there on that May is under center. You talked about them drafting the wrong Arizona state receiver. They draft draft of the wrong Georgia running back too, right? How about Nick Chub in this offense? But dude is squat and he tours ACL and MCL and I'm watching him squat 550 the other day. Five and I want to be clear too, like passing the ball and stopping the pass is more important in the NFL than running the ball, but the Patriots especially have to be able to run the ball effectively. Like again, especially with whether it's per set or especially if May plays, they need to run block well, they need Stevenson to play well, and Van Pelt is a run first guy. I get it. So the yes, they have to if they're going to be a great team, they have to pass the ball effectively. I get it, but they have this team, especially if May is going to play, they have to run the ball effectively and more effective than they did last year. I mean, that's one of the reasons two years ago as bad as that patrician judge offense was, they were in the playoff hunt because Stevenson had the best best year of his career and he was great. So they have to be able to run the ball, even though again, passing the football is more important, but they and especially where they're at, they are going to have to run the ball effectively this year. Yeah, running the ball, an effective running game is going to set up the pass game in the best way possible for them. All right, let's get into some of the other things as well. So you're in on I am as well. I think it would set the wide receiving room up legitimately. It would give the Patriots an actual strength, whether it has been something that has been largely perceived a weakness as well. Another person who may also be competing for room in the wide receiving core is Keshan booty. We found out yesterday for reasons unknown to this date, we have no explanation, but apparently the state of Louisiana dropped the charges of underage illegal gambling, even though he gambled underage and gamble made almost 9,000 bets. A lot of bets and there's actually really good at it as well, but we don't want to get into that. Keshan booty has had charges dropped against him. And now, as Gerard Mayo said, we're going to let the process play out and we'll wait to hear back from the league. We'll see if Roger Goodell still mad about the direct TV ruling decides to drop the hammer. He has been pretty rough about the gambling issue. However, I'm trying to set a precedent kicking people out for six games, half a season of full season and beyond for gambling when they're in the pros, like Calvin Ridley, like Jameson Williams and more. But this happened in his college career. So I wonder what kind of jurisdiction Goodell will think he has there. Booty, by all accounts, John, had a really good spring. Many, many, many, not just the aggregators, but beat reporters out there said he looks drastically improved. He looks like he could be someone that can play at the pro level. So you've got nothing but positive reviews on his off season. Now the charges are dropped against him. So I ask you this, should they even trade for Brandon Ayyuk because you could actually let this play out and see what Keshan Butte known mostly in Pat's nation for the gambling charges. And of course, not getting his feet in bounds week one last year against the Philadelphia Eagles. What's say you to that idea? Yeah, booty's an interesting guy because his first year at LSU, he was one of the best receivers in all of college football. Like he was, he was terrific in that. And that's an LSU offense that we know year after year produces elite receivers. And that first year, he was awesome. But then he had the injury and he never was quite the same after the injury. Then you throw in, there was some whispers about character concerns coming out. Now he has this issue where, you know, he has the gambling thing and like he was, and he was jekyll and hide on the field with the Patriots. Like I think it was their second preseason game. You had like that 45 yard catch and run touchdown and he looked great. But then week one twice in the second half, including on the final drive, he doesn't get his feet in bounds. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not banking on him for lack of a better term. I'm not betting on him, right? No pun intended. He is plus eight 50 to make the wrong. I'm not going to rely. Like to me, he's, he's one of those guys that's a bonus. Like if he comes in and he's good, that's a bonus. I'm not going in a training camp saying, Oh yeah, Javon Baker and Kay Sean booty and Taikwon Thornton are going to be my futures of this position and they're going to be great. Those are three guys that I'm like, Hey, I'm going to see if they're good. And if they are, it's a bonus and it's great, but I'm not relying on it. Pete, the animal Austin, bringing the heat, watching live on YouTube this morning as we record the latest six rings and football things, John Lyons and your old pal, Fitzy G. F. Y. doing a little pants per re right now talking. Kay Sean booty and the Patriots wide receiving core. I don't know, there's a casino a mile away from the stadium, even if you control his phone. That's not a good idea. I got you. I don't let him listen to Bette Roulette on the Adam Jones. Look, you know, the whole idea, yes, you can wager. Yes, you can have a fan duel or a draft Kings or a bed MGM or an ESPN bet, whatever account. You're just not allowed to. You can't, if you're in the NFL, you can't bet on the NFL. And then if you want to place a wager on the NBA or MLS or whatever else you feel the need to put together a 13 leg parlion, you just can't do it on premises and because they can geo tag and track you any which where and where and way, just, you know, drive a half mile down route one, pull into Mick Morgan's or go somewhere else outside of Patriot Place, get not in your car in the parking lot at Gillette Stadium. Do you want to play spats? That's fine. Just don't bet on the NFL as well. So, you know, again, I can't help but wonder if Goodell is going to be like, well, it's going to cost you a couple of games the way to protect the integrity of the league or if they're going to say like, all right, you're slap on the wrist, you're let off with a warning and now the kid has a chance to compete as well. Nick Chester watching live on YouTube now, Jaylen Polk will be much greater than Kishan booty. Well, I hope so, but at the same time, you know, Hugh Jay pointed out booty was and again, it's been injuries and character issues that he's had to deal with John. He was a top receiver at LSU in a stacked wide receiver room, had that incredible freshman year, 308 yards in a game as well, goes through crap and character issues and off field stuff for a while, gets his ankle injured, comes back and has a half-decent senior season after COVID and, you know, being a five-year college guy and balled out in the SEC Championship game in 2022 against Georgia for like seven catches of buck 50 in a touchdown. Like, the talent is there. So, can this new Patriots offensive coaching staff get him to focus on the field, slide the character issues over, and get him to become a productive and competitive member of the core, or is he just likely to be one of those fancy names like a Brian Tims who's like, "Oh, I thought he was going to become something, but he's not much more than a campbody." Yeah, I think right now it's leaning more towards the Brian Tims thing, right? So, I, again, he's a bonus guy for me. If he comes in and he's good, fine, but you look around that receiver room, like, I think Jaylen Polk can be better than him, Kendrick Bourne already is better than him. DiMario Douglas already is better than him. Like, boom, that's three guys, right? If you're lining up an 11-person L, that's already three guys better than him right there on the field. So, that's the thing with him. And again, we talk about, okay, he had issues in college. Well, then in week one, twice, he doesn't get his feet down. And I know you can say, "Okay, he was a rookie in week one." Well, that's a pretty huge mistake, like to make it in an NFL game, and you do it. Which we saw the offensive coaching staff in Bill O'Brien acknowledge and understand because you didn't see much of Quechon Butte for a while. Yeah. So, that's the thing. I'm just, I'm not relying on that guy at all. Like, if he comes in, fine, and he's good, but I'm just not, I'm not relying on Quechon Butte at all. I got you. I would, but, you know, and hey, look, Kirk Cousins, I believe it was like, I think Justin Jefferson sang the praises of KJ Osborne, otherwise known as Kendrick. We had a lot of Kendrick's in the receiver room. And just, and Kirk Cousins said, we needed him to be a number three receiver because we already had Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. This guy could easily be a two or fight for a spot as a well. Like, he can be much more. We just didn't need him to be more because we already had some top flight. Obviously, Jordan Addison last year, Adam Thiel in the years prior. So, we don't even know what for KJ Osborne at this point. We don't know exactly how Kendrick Bourne is going to look coming back from the ACL, but he's been highly productive anytime he's been asked to be a top receiver. Now, he doesn't have to be a number one. God, he could be the three or four on this team. It's just, you know, honestly, like, I'm excited about the receiving room. I do like the trip, the prospect of trading for Brandon Iyuk. But if a couple of these guys flash in the preseason pan for us, I don't know, maybe you want to hold on to those draft picks and see what you can make at this room. John, we're getting close to the end of the pod here. We've had another very successful edition. What would the what if Wednesday talk about Mayo, May and the 2024 Pats, Pats Perrie with Keishan Butte and Brandon Iyuk trade talk? Anything else you want to throw in the mix before we wrap it up and wrap it up? I think we've largely covered it for now, but it's just interesting that if you just look at Big Picture, this is arguably the most important training camp they've had in 25 years, right? Because it's the first time since 1999, they didn't have Brady or Bill in training camp with them. And now they're trying to turn this page. And we talked about it earlier in the show, like they're, you know, kind of telling us they think it was all Mac and Bill's fault the last couple of years. They wait the way they treated Bill on the way out the way they shipped back Jones off. So you come into this. And I'm sorry, Joe, we're going to have to end it soon. You off to that. But Joe McBride watching live on you. I just think from a big picture standpoint, this is a massively I mean, maybe you could say 2020 the first year after Brady or, you know, 2009 Brady's first year back from the ACL team. But even then it's like you had Bill all those times now it's like, okay, it's a new coach, it's going to be a new quarterback. There's a lot of new things. You're in a tough division. Like it's just just Big Picture here, some of the most important training camps they've had, if not the most important in the last 25 years. I don't disagree with you in the least, John, honestly, it's maybe since 2002 to make sure that Brady wasn't just, you know, didn't go on just some magical mystical run. That was a good one as well. Obviously he led the league in touchdown passes that year as well. The team just had some other issues. And mostly I blame Tara Reed. It is our top five Patriots training camp in the last 25 years, if not the last 30 or 40 as well. So much turnover so much change so many people that need to prove themselves. But at the same time, if they don't go the, I need to be the best coach. I need to be the best receiver. I need to be the smartest coach. I need to be the best coordinator. And everyone just to borrow a little bit from Bill since there will definitely be hallmarks of the Belichick era all over this team. And his fingerprints will be all over it as well. If everyone just does their job, then maybe just maybe you have an entertaining competitive and like you say, competent football team. Once again, folks, he is at the real John Lyons. Mr. Football in the house will be together Friday from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. Eastern time on W E E I and all across the W E I sports radio network and the Odyssey app. If you don't have it, go to your Google store, go to the app store and download it today. I'm your old pal Nick Fitzy Stevens and an apologetic Pats fan at Fitzy G F Y. This has been the latest edition of six rings and football things brought to you as always by W E E I Odyssey in 2400 sports. Thank you, Terp for posting this. Thank you guys for some awesome comments and a great discussion today. 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