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Well, don't you worry, because Fitzy and Hart are here with so much football today to talk from the wide world in New England Patriots. First things first, we're going to get into this little bit of off-season NFL programming. The geniuses at 345 Park Avenue came up with. That's right, the NFL and that work had a special on this week who made the Mount Rushmore of every NFL team. The New England Patriots won pretty rock solid, I got to say. Although there is a little bit of room for debate there. We'll talk about that and some of the other Rushmores on the up top. In the middle here today, we'll get into Pat's Perrie. That would be all the news, notes and nuggets from around the wide world of Patriots Nation. And we will finish up with the latest in our off-season Patriots positional previews OPPP. Yes, you know we. Today we're going to talk linebackers. All right, let's get into it. So this latest little bit of off-season programming that the NFL network came up with, you know, we are in what is truly the deadest of dead zones when it comes to football right now. We're a month away from training camp for all the NFL teams. So really ain't much going on. Last week, as we spoke with Andrew Callahan, he reminded us right now, your veterans are not giving an F. They are all taking as much time as they need to right now. The rookies are installing and trying to figure out what the heck they're doing. It makes total sense. And fans right now, understandably, are probably taking a little bit of an emotional football break as well. That's why off-season programming and content like who made the respective Mount Rushmores of every NFL team are good for us to be able to chew up and spit around, bat it around a little bit and see who are the four greatest players for each team. What was your first thought when you saw that the NFL put this out? And what were your initial thoughts on the Patriots Mount Rushmores? I should let the audience know the Patriots Mount Rushmores being Brady, Gronk, Hannah, and Ty Law. So the first part was like, oh, yeah, they've reached that point where we've all done this on a random radio shift. Hey, you want to do the Boston Sports Rushmores or the Celtics Rushmores? Whatever. So we've reached that point. That was my first thought. Then my second was, yeah, it's fine. It's interesting. People will watch it and talk about it and debate it. And it is good. I always joke about why we just, just because they put four heads on a mountain, why do we have to limit it to four? Why isn't it five? Why isn't it three? And that whole thing. But then when you get into the details, the other issue that you have for the Patriots, if you were going to do a true Mount Rushmores, Bill Belichick's on it. I know this is players, but like, if you were just doing that, Belichick's on it. Oh, oh, oh, nice wrinkle. I didn't even think of that. I mean, he's got to be. Like, yeah, and in which case, like, here's one, for example, the Green Bay Packers goal, Pat Gold. There's is wide receiver Don Hudson, Bart Starr, Brett Favin, Aaron Rodgers. Three-court makes a lot of sense, I guess. Yeah, but it's three-quarterbacks. I hate that. That's quarterback bias. That's like the Super Bowl. There's a lot of that on these, bud. No, I know. And I hate that. And I know I've preached like, you're going to take Drake May because you got to have a quarterback because all that matters in football is a quarterback. I hate it. But that mentality, especially a historic organization, like the Packers, to be like, yep, we're just going to go with all the quarterbacks. Starr, and I just, and Starr, I would put on there historically. There's some, and I know they're all one MVPs, and they, the whole thing. I just, but it's like in this particular instance, I understand the QB bias, but in this particular instance, it's pretty tough to argue against Favre and Rodgers as well in there, but I could get some. And I don't know, the Packers have some historically great players, especially like lineman from the 60s and 50s and all that. And I just, like if you could get one of the Patriots all-time greats on here. So John Hannah was coached by, I don't know, the name doesn't matter, but he was an all-time great Packers lineman. Fuzzy, something, something. I don't see something. I had one of those last night with dinner. If you had Hannah on here, I'm sure he could argue why three quarterbacks, you know, Hannah who hates Tony Easton, who probably hates a lot of soft modern quarterbacks. He could probably argue like, that's ridiculous. You tell me the four best Packers in history, three of them are quarterbacks. So that is one thing that the quarterback bias bothers me a little. Secondary to that is if I were doing a true Patriots rush more, it would be the two guys we talked about a couple weeks ago at Brady night. It'd be Brady and Belichick and all the rest of y'all can fall in line behind those two. Those are the top of them. Then I think it would be super, I think the argument can be made for the two teams we're discussing here in, that their coaches should absolutely be on there. And then of course, the Cleveland Browns, the Paul Brown. But the Patriots rush more, if you could just put all personnel coaches, whomever, would absolutely be, it would go Brady, Belichick, and then probably Hannah Gronk. And that's easy. That's it. It's done. It's over. I need to. And then Lombardi in place of who for the Packers, Rogers. Oh, wow. Overfava? Yeah. They each won one Super Bowl. I know, but I just look at, I don't know. I mean, that's a debate that can be had. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to go down as one of the great underachievers of this generation or any generation. And he's on his way. Like just the regular season winning, the pure talent, the boat, he always the boat. And what does he have to show for it? And he's kind of a dink. Like, and I know Barb was kind of who? But Barb was a different kind of dink. He was like a troubled dink with like substance. He was a reckless, he was a reckless dink. He was like the friend, like, if we were all out at a bar celebrating the Celtics championship, each one of us would have to take turns keeping an eye on Barb. Cause you know, it would either be too much or who's he trying to hook up with? Or who did he start a fight with? Like, you know, there's a wild card factor there, but you kind of like him. Like he's a friend. Oh, he's as Aaron Rodgers is part of your social circle. And you're like, why do we hang out with this guy? We roll our eyes every time we're with him. Like we're in barricades on the center table. I hate going out for burgers with with the Rogers. Yeah. So also I'm sad that I trusted my insurance money with far. There's, there's various issues for both of them. Pictures and phones and everything. There's lots of stuff going on. Um, but two, so let's just narrow it to the Patriots and just say, forget the Belichick part, the coaching part, the players. But now I can't, cause you got me hooked on that. Well, I mean, I can't believe you didn't, it's kind of obvious. If you start, I got, I was breaking a bell check. Apologetically got very, uh, you know, football field myopic in my focus, but like you're a thousand percent right. Okay. But let's play their style. Play their players again. So I agree a hundred percent on Brady. I agree a hundred percent on Hannah. I agree a hundred percent on Gronk. And to me, the debate begins in the four slot with Thai law, but I think there is a pretty disrespectful, um, lack of acknowledgement and awareness for one Andre Tippett. I think Tippett, I would put Tippett over law. It may, again, it may be personal. I like him, you know, I grew up at the right time where he was sort of part of my sports heroes. You know, the Bo Jackson era, the Andre Tippett era, those guys. He was one of the only guys to root for back this, unless you had to stand in Warren Jersey. He had the, he had the, uh, unenviable positioning of playing in the shadow of Lawrence Taylor. I think if he had played a different time, Andre Tippett would be looked at as one of the greatest defensive players in the history of the game. But the fact is he played when Andre, when Lawrence Taylor played and that doesn't do him any favors and the style of play was fun. So I personally, no disrespect to Thai law and there's others. You know, you, if you want to tell me Richard Seymour is a Hall of Famer and should be in the consideration or whoever else you may want to argue, but I think I would put Tippett in, just a slight nose ahead of, of, uh, law. Yeah, I, I agree because, uh, you know, well, always just, you know, Andre Tippett wears his pants with a black belt. He is a badass, uh, first or second on the team for 10 straight seasons and sacks. 100, he made the triple digit sack club. There are very few members of the triple digit sack club in a different time. That number has been deflated over time because quarterbacks throw a bazillion times. So when a quarterback throws a bazillion times, that means there's more opportunities for the defense to get sacks. He sacked the quarterback a lot when the other team was actually still running the ball and running games and like it was a, it was not a drop back stand in the pocket. Weight get hit kind of era like we see now. So I actually think that I need some analytics dude to put his 100 sacks in perspective. I get to think that's like 140 today or something like that. Oh, easily, but easily a buck in a quarter. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you could ask the Watt brothers. You could ask Miles Garrett, you could ask Daniel Hunter or any of the pass rushing specialists of the modern NFL. And they would all probably tell you like, oh yeah, Andrei Tippett's one of the, like, he's one of the pass rushing goats for sure. I would put Tippett there as well just for fun for a little S and G. Let's make a, maybe like a little four year consideration backup rush more. Um, so Tippett is first and foremost and absolutely of tie law. Uh, I agree with you would see more of the thing is even though he's got the bona fides of the yellow jacket and the bronze bust in Canton, he doesn't have any statisticals really to back up for it. But any single person who ever coached or played against him would tell you, that's one of the greatest defensive linemen of all time. Or with them, the guys that played behind him and around him and said, boy, my job was a lot easier when Seymour was out. Really, really, really a lot easier. Mike Haines, probably, even though he spent half his career with the Raiders as well, who's still pretty damn good when he was here. That's the problem with some of those early years guys that played other portions of their career elsewhere. Um, like Nick Bonacani, I think is in that world played for the Dolphins later as part of the, their great defense and everything. That's a, there's a fun one. Um, and I think just because of the sheer impact of some of his plays with all, with all due respect to many of the other, you know, great players, the Mosses, the Welkers, the Edelman's who probably would like to have their name called out or their voice heard. I think just because of the magnitude of three specific plays, I probably have to put Vinnitary in the four spot on my backup rush more slash for your consideration. Yeah, uh, I would have Vinnitary very much in the running, because then argument can be made is the greatest kicker of all time. Now then it's like, whoa, where does the greatest kicker of all time weigh in with the greatest quarterback of all time, tight end of all time, guard of all time? You know what I mean? Like, they got some goats and that puts him probably on that second tier. I think Ben Coats is in like a second tier conversation. He again, over blood. So like, like, tip it. Oh, oh, absolutely. Because Ben Coats is closer to like all time great than Drew is. Drew's really good quarterback. Second best quarterback in the history of the franchise until May passes him. Um, and like, I love Ben Coats. In that if he didn't play behind Gronk or he didn't play in that era, or played in this era and actually got to play in January and February more often, I think people would remember Ben Coats as a totally different player. Shorter run and, you know, similar to Gronk that if you're going to take that kind of an ass whooping, you're probably not going to last very long at that position the way. And also while wearing number 87 want a Super Bowl with another team gross. Yeah, no, it's, it's, um, so I think he's got a ring. I think Stanley Morgan should probably be, um, on some sort of a tier. Again, high class problems for the Patriots because you do have so many truly elite players that have come through, especially, you know, waited a little bit generationally. Like some people would want to probably put Gino Capiletti in there. I don't know that he really measures up in terms of, you know, goat status, but certainly an all time Patriot great and the numbers and the all time leading score in the versatility and out of the AFL as a trailblazer too. There's a little bit of the respect for the guy. Great guy. I'll get through by that. The nicest. Um, hell man, in this case, well, I, I, I'd almost even make an argument for freaking Gil Santos being up there because he was so damn good at what he did for so long for the team. But that being said, I think we can all agree the Mount Rushmore should be if you're just talking about people that controlled or had a direct influence on the game. Brady Belichick Gronkowski and Hannah as well. Like if you're a team, like, I thought this one, this was probably, you know, as accurate an assessment as you could possibly have for a Rushmore, the Carolina Panthers. Cam Newton, Luke Keekley, Julius Pepper, Steve Smith. I mean, yep, that's like in an arguable Rushmore. Now granted, their history is also decade shorter than the Patriots or the legacy teams like the Packers as well. But that's kind of perfect. Teams that have, teams where their radio stations will have the phone lines lit up for days because it's so difficult. A team like the Steelers, right? Yep. I mean, there's probably 15 different guys on the Steelers. And I know they've got Bradshaw and Rothlessberger on there. I even heard people on our radio station arguing like, this is bananas. You can't have those guys. The swans and the stalwarts and Webster and so many other players. Yeah, there's so many. And that's, again, where quarterback gets the bias, like quarterback gets the nod gets. And it's, yeah, you think of them, they've had some of the greatest centers in the history of the sport, Dimitri Dawson and Mike Webster and those guys. Like it's, that's how deep a franchise they've been. And of course, simpletons like us are always going to lean to who put this together, by the way. Do we have like a, I know it was NFL films, but was there like, I don't think they said like it was like a relative of the Seyballs and Greg Rosenthal and Daniel, I don't think they told us who the committee was that selected. Okay. Yeah, because I also always wonder about generation of their safety. Yeah. But I always wonder about the generational aspect to it and sort of who you saw, like, this would be a fun thing. If Bill just wanted to, you know, start a blog now that he's got some downtime and he's just hanging on the, out on the boat and he just wanted to, you know, do these things. He's actually commenting on his own Instagram feed and signing at BB, like the presidents do when they make it their own. But if he wanted to do something like this, based on his top was a top 100 players of all time, he took part in and all that, I would love to see him. Bill Belichick's rundown of the Rushmore's for every team. And that would be right. He may tell you that Jack Lambert, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Green, Ben Roth, this burger is solid, but here's like, he'll rattle off 19 other players, 11 of which, and we consider ourselves relative football hardos who probably know the stars and studs and Hall of Famers of the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and beyond for most teams. He'd probably rattle off five or six names. You'd go, I'm sorry, Bill, who? Right. Oh, yeah. But it, these are fun. I do think the Patriots won. They did a good job. Like you can't say definitively, well, this pro football Hall of Famer is way better than that pro football Hall of Famer, right? Like, so, right, tie law, Andrei Tippett, you're lucky you have a lot of Hall of Fame caliber talent that's played now over generations. And that's why I also wondered, was it a sheer younger committee? And they're just like, Tyler, I don't know who Andrei Tippett really was. I know he was in the Hall of Fame, but I didn't really see him play. He does have three, you know, he does lead the Patriots in so many individual defensive statistics. And also three Super Bowls, hot splash play in a Super Bowl, dominating Peyton Manning and a couple of those AFC playoff games as well. But again, that's where the coaches and the tippets of the world, I would say, yeah, put them on better teams. And I think you'd be remembering and glorifying all their impact plays, right? Like, you know, who's a dark horse here? Never is doesn't deserve consideration in a way, but does deserve consideration in a way if you're talking in that sense. We're here for it. Go ahead. You're linebacker's coach. Dante Hightower, like, he's he had a really underrated career that's not going to get maybe the credit it deserves. Like, for example, no, he deserves every, you're absolutely right. He deserves every single bit. If if Tyler is your first half of the double dynastic run, defensive star that makes the rush more, Dante Hightower made just as many impactful plays in Super Bowls, if not, maybe actually more. And I'm going to say something right now that you people may not like. All right, you people. Yeah. All you've already made everyone feel good about it. Dante Hightower blows Teddy Bruski's career out of the water. But I think most passionate Patriots fans just have a first portion of the dynasties soft spot in their heart for Teddy Bruski. But just, and this is no disrespect to Teddy Bruski, really good player, really good teammate, really good Patriot, really good champion, everything. Dante Hightower was a physical freak who made some of the biggest plays in the franchise's history to win Bill said it the other day at the Tom Brady event. Like, I don't know how some of those Super Bowls go if we don't have Dante Hightower, like, correct, these banners up here, you wouldn't have needed to do the construction to make room for more banners. You could probably squeeze it down a little bit. And it's, and also, you know, and, and we'll kick it into the next leg of the podcast with Pat's Pre coming up in just a quick second. But this is one I have fun discussing and debating here and wherever else there are frosty cold beverages and hearty football dialogues, otherwise known as snapchats around these parts. When the Patriots, if they ever do retire the number 87, you best honor two people on that night and not just say that's Gronk's number because we were lucky enough to have two people wear this number, each of which deserve Patriots Hall of Fame recognition and potential NFL Hall of Fame recognition with Ben Coates and Rob Gronkowski. Same deal for 54. I think if you're going to retire two more numbers and then just say we're going to go ring of honor from this point forward, Dante Hightower and Teddy Bruski both were legends wearing 54. And I would feel awkward if I were anyone else wanting to wear those numbers 87 or 54 going forward. It's kind of like 10 from Mac Jones to Drake May. Uh, how about Jimmy Goode? No. Oh, wait. All right. What do you say? That's the history of that being a soft quarterback number. I know both of Drake may to want to continue the number going forward as well. Uh, and of course, we all know that, uh, young Thomas Edward Patrick Brady would have worn number 10 as well on the Patriots. If it weren't for who was it again, who was wearing at the time? I'm going to say Lee Johnson, but I'm not sure if that's correct. I was going to say Lee Bodden, but that was actually the wrong Lee. It was L E E, not L E I G H. Anyway, you're off by like 12 years. Yeah, but I had the first name right ish. Give me a little credit name right in the generation. Wrong is wrong. All right. Mute his microphone. Oh, that's right. We don't have a producer. He's at the hour back center. All right. What do you say, Pat fans? Do you like the Patriots Mount Rushmore fun little activity? Any other rush mores that the NFL network put out that you like? Holler at your boys, Fitzy and Hart. I'm at Fitzy GFY. He's at Jumbo Hart. And of course, this right here is the at six rings pod. This episode is brought to you by our good friends at NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. I'm sure by now you've all got back into your Sunday routines, but they could be even better with NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV. You get the most live NFL games all in one place every game every Sunday. And you can even watch up to four different games at once with multi view, one of my favorite inventions of this decade. It's exactly what you need to catch all the action. Make your Sunday's more magical. 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According to a story in the athletic recently, if the New England Patriots were to play a game that means something now, which they are not, thank God, Jacobi Brissette would in fact be the starter. If when we get to camp, Drake May and Jacobi Brissette play their play is commensurate to one another. If they're on an even playing field like Brissette's had a good camp, Drake May has had a good to very good camp. If they are neck and neck, Brissette will be the default starter with May looking to possibly get in sooner than most had expected. It is going to take again, according to the athletic, but these are probably the same reasonably informed sources that you and I hang out with on Media Hill and that you often discuss football matters with in some of those post practice six rings pods. It's going to take Drake May clearly beating out Jacobi Brissette in order to win the starting job week one for the Patriots. I still don't see that happening. So I think we all just sort of need to come around on the idea that it's going to be number 14 and not number 10 under center. Week one, September 8th, one in the PM out in the netty against Joe, excuse me, was it, was it, was he modeling for Versace, Joe Burrow, was he in Paris? Justin Jefferson and Joe Burrow were modeling for Versace in, you know that whole no diva quarterbacks, that has to push the boundaries of whether he's a diva quarterback or not. And I don't think he is because you also have that famous story. Who told it? Elliot Wolf about like, when they asked Joe Burrow what his favorite memory was, it was like playing middle linebacker in high school football and stopping somebody on the goal line or something like, I don't think Joe Burrow the diva quarterback, but he kind of does some things that are diva-ish. What do you like to say? Deva adjacent? Deva adjacent. Very well done, Hart. I will say this though. He looked pretty damn good. Like he's a hand, he got rid of the Anakin Skywalker here. He's back to the Joey Burrock cut and he looks like, not going to say. I think a lot of people saw that and went wood. Would you? I bet he, I bet he pushed his way past a lot of other former players or current NFLers onto some hall pass lists after that one. That being said, anyway, Versace will be your starter unless otherwise validated by a straightaway. I mean, I don't, to me, this conversation has always been about October. Is he ready by October? Is he not ready? Is it late October, or like, I've always just kind of penciled in, Brissette, for month one. And May had a nice up and, I keep saying it, up and down progression. There were some highs and some lows, but he's overall sort of moving his way along in progression. But I never felt like, oh, he's got to be the starter. And I think some of it will be circumstantial. We've talked about this. The offensive line, give them a chance to settle in, figure out who they are, what they are before you put the future, the franchise out there, and no disrespect to Jacobi Brissette. But you're expendable, the other guy's not. And so if we're going to have runaway rushes and problems early in the year, you're going to take the lumps and the hits that go along with it. So also, if you just recall, my memory, I anointed quite, quite braggadociously in June, that Mack Jones was going to be the starter, not Cam Newton. And it played out that way. I do not feel that same mindset mentality, observation of what was going on. Like, it just didn't feel like fast track Drake May and get him out there. Plus, we have Alex Van Pelt just flat out on the record. Jacobi Brissette's our starter. And same with the way it wolfed. Yeah. So like, I think they came in with a plan and a timeline. And I think it would be, I think it's, I won't say impossible. But again, I'd put it at like 10% chance for Drake May to alter that timeline. Now, I have a expedited timeline of, like I said, four games ish. Now we got to talk and figure out what's going on. Now we're talking Drake May time. So you're taking the under on my six and a half games until Drake May starts right now. I'm taking the right to change that as camp goes on. Oh, we started hitting and now he looks like he, you know, it's moving a little fast for him. He's not quite ready or doesn't bounce back from certain things. But yes, right now, I'm looking toward four games into the season. I'm starting to think about it's time to put damn Drake May on the field and start the future. Quick reminder for all of our listeners ships. Patriots open the season. Like I said, in Cincinnati, September 8th, 1 p.m. against the Bengals. Then they have their home opener. They host the Seahawks. Then they have a Thursday night quick turnaround at the Jet Propolitans. Then they have 10 days to prepare for the whoop into the century at 405 September 29th out in San Francisco. I wonder if the most interesting thing about that game won't be will, you know, will Drake May finally see the field next week? It could be. Might that be the only game Brady gets? Like, well, like if that's a Fox game, we don't know who's broadcasting a lot of these games, except for Netflix on Christmas, Thursday night games for Amazon, and of course your Monday night football games for ESPN and ABC. A lot of the rest of the CBS Fox action has yet to be decided. But that could potentially be the Tom Brady calls a Patriots game game, which would be kind of fascinating. Yeah, I think there's probably another one later at a statue game. I'm guessing the league and Fox and everybody's going to do Robert a solid because Robert said said there's going to be a 12 foot statue later this season. I would circle the Rams game and I was member. I was going to say November 17th. Ramajama's at your Patriots. And that could also Andy be when Drake you could have a Drake may start there because that would be one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. That would be the 11th ball game of the season. Too long. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I to okay. So I would circle that as a potential Brady game to circling back around to that 49ers game coming off a Thursday night. You have an extended period to prepare for the 49ers. I think that week you could see an uptick in Drake may's practice reps, not in preparation to start necessarily. But in preparation, when that game gets out of hand to see decent garbage time in the second half, and then the week after that, make his first start having two weeks of extended practice reps, that time period. Just I'm throwing that time on a home game against the law fans and a potentially overcompensated to a tongue of a low. Well, Hawk toa, wouldn't that be something? I love how much that is taken off. It is insane. It's bananas. Now it's awful. I mean, it's terrible. By God, that that that girl has a father and I was just literally going to say like, you know, like you joke around like if your kid smashes a baseball and you just yell from the stands like, yes, son, baseball had a family. That's ingest. We can't personify actual sports items or, you know, inanimate objects. This girl, she has family and relatives and her dad, there's no doubt her dad has seen that at this point and just gone. Oh, this has gone viral. Like few things that are questionable or blue or whatever world you want to put that in. Anything goes this viral period anymore. But usually if it goes this viral, it's safer. Whereas this is close to a third rail. And there are like legitimate social media accounts that have made references to this use this in their social media plan for this week. And I feel bad. I mean, the poor girl is clearly liquored up when she does the interview and everybody knows what we're talking about. If not, look it up. It's funny. You might have a lot of other people. We all probably learned of it, Andy, by first seeing like, why is there a picture of AJ Hawk next to to a tongue of a low? I don't understand why this is on my timeline. Click on link. Oh, Oh, sometimes, you know, I'm sure my wife would tell you considering that there hasn't been a dry toilet seat for her to sit on in our house for over 10 years. She probably would have loved at least a daughter since we have two boys. That said, there are days like this where I'm super glad I am the father of two boys because I would not know how to handle this. That was an unexpected digression. But when you're doing six rings in football things with the very mature and highly developed Andy Hart and Nick Fitzy Stevens, this is how you get. Wait a minute. No, no, no, we're not taking any blame for this. The entire world has embraced this as a meme. I apologize for nothing. Yeah. It just shows we're all immature and a little perverted at heart. Correct. Now, Andy, we were discussed. I also wanted to mention we kind of eked into it a little bit there. But did you happen to see? You may have seen a quick clip of Brady in the U.F.L. championship in the booth with I forget, it was Kurt Menefee and Charles Johnson. No, no, somebody else. I forget who it was. Anyway, long story short, he shows up in the booth a couple days after Brady night looking like a million dollars. Sounds great. Looks great. Totally playing the part. Hell, I'm telling you still right now, depending on how things go Thursday night with our two uber geriatric presidential candidates, if Brady appeared in the video on his Instagram Friday and said, I am Tom Brady and I am a candidate for U.S. president. We would have a new front runner by Sunday. Then Brady shows up on the herd a couple days later. Did you listen to any of his appearance on the herd? I did. The clips are too long to fall the whole one in here right now. But I just want to say, if we get a skosh, a tidbit, just a morsel, a nugget of how good he was on the herd in the booth this fall and going forward with Kevin Burkhardt. People are going to be going beyond those 2017 like, whoa, this Tony Romo is unbelievable. It's like I've never heard a color analyst before an NFL booth. Brady just taking you inside his mind and how and why he did everything the way he did and the way quarterbacks and football players think play to play series to series game to game was effing fantastic. So I am now more optimistic about Brady as a color analyst based on what I have a question though, is this going to be generational? Is he going to resonate with late 30s, 40s, 50s, some things, hardos, old school and my day, football kind of people? And is he going to get eye rolls? As I said earlier, maybe from some of the younger generations as he's describing quarterback, the way he played it, the way he thinks it should be played. And some kid is like, I'm going to roll left. I'm going to throw right and I'm going to put her in a dime at 70 yards, your old coat. I'm not going to keep my front shoulder tight and I'm not going to have perfect mechanic. Like I just, I wonder if this is if there's going to be a little generational, um, interpretation or line here where like some people love Brady and then some people are like, yeah, shut up, you go, you had your run. We play different now. But doesn't it help though that he's only now what a little over a year and a half removed from the playing field still has relationships with all these guys played played against Allen played against burrow played against like he these were all actual contemporaries and adversaries of him as well. So for the next, at least I think for the next half dozen years, I think he's spot on plus also the reverence they all show for him as well. I think that kind of keeps things in the proper perspective for Brady and the booth as well. Yeah, no, I think the player part of it, I think they'll be respectful of him. I'm thinking more 13 year old fans, 18 year old fans, 22 year old fans. I think there's going to be some fans that just look at him. We'll see. And the relationships you mentioned are also some of my concerns. How critical is he going to be willing to be and some of those aspects that go into being the truly best color commentator? Because if you're just, if everything's awesome and everything's great and everything is the offense is awesome and the defense thinks that like that gets old, that gets old quick and you your biases and I hope he, I know he'll be self deprecating. I know there will be jokes about himself and not being able to do what a lot of these guys can do in the the Allen's and the Mahoney's I could never move like that. I could never make that throw. Here's Kevin, why I would never consider making that throw because I just didn't have that ability that Josh Allen or who knows. But I think he'll Jordan love. He'll be good in it like he's just a smart guy who's seen a lot and I think he'll be really good about systems and schemes and coordinator changes and how valuable it was for him to play for 20 years in the same system and how much they're probably hanging out. You know, this quarterback X who now has his third coordinator in three or four years. No, I am. I'm more optimistic about Brady the color commentator now than I was previously. But I still, I still want to see it play out in exactly how he's if he's going to go all in and he can't backtrack. That's the other thing. Don't don't committed. Don't be like the frickin roast and be all in and collect your $30 million and be the executive producer and then bitch about it later. No, if you say something, own it. Yeah, that that was a CYA move if ever before, which I think it was a little unnecessary. It was Dinkish. It was Dinkish that UFC guy that obliterated him for it. He did it in a very inappropriate fashion. Yeah, I was, I was not not a fan of that. Like you got, you know, you have no, you have no quarrel. You have no business with Tom Brady in that capacity. How's now? He wasn't wrong. He just may have, you know, wanted to package it a little bit more. He kind of overstepped his bounds a little bit. Yeah. I would say so. Sometimes we get on a roll and you say things you regret later. Yeah, that's that. Otherwise, why do we even pod, bro? Quick sight, a little digression here. And then we'll get to our last two little pets now gets before we hit the third and final leg, of course, which will be our Patriots, off seasonal position preview pop. Sometimes I call it OPP. Sometimes I call a pop. You never know. Just watch me for changes and try to keep up people. I did work a as the MC at a sports car to memorabilia show this past weekend in Marlboro for our friends at the North Works Card Expo. That was a fun little job. Hey, were you also at Brady night? I forget. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Did you know I did two hours of the red carpet? Yeah. No script, too. Just flying by the seat in my pants. Not bad. Give me that microphone. Have another one, so. So and then pass it back to me and say, I don't know what to do next. That was actually something everyone didn't hear. So anyway, so it was a legend in his own mind. I was going to say for a lot of reasons and in a special place called his mind. So anyway, working at the card shows weekend, I just thought this was interesting. I wanted to pass this along. So going up and speaking to a lot of the different card dealers, I think you'd find this interesting. I kept asking them, what's the one card? The football cards, because football cards have come a long way. Baseball cards are kind of not the thing anymore. Now football cards are where the money is at. The price on some of them. Good God. And there's too many to keep up with one out of one million packs. Oh, this is the Chrome one. This is the autograph one. This one has a jersey piece stitched into it. How old are you? I I'm just catching up 50, by the way. I'm catching up hundreds of too many cards. This one has chrome and that's why don't you go? Why don't you go survey all the cards? And you'll see and you'll be like, wow, they're realizing they're cool. Dude, it used to be Don Russ Flier and tops. That's it. You had to keep up with that. Now, the panini. Don't get up the way losing their rights. The panini people are losing their exclusive card rights. Now, fanatics is going to get into the game. Well, based on the way fanatics has screwed up everything else, I'm sure they'll screw up cards as well. We may lose them as a potential sponsor, but also I'm not too thrilled about what they may be doing in the card biz. Anyway, I thought you'd find this interesting. The three most, the two most requested cards and the interesting speculation card, I thought it might be Drake May is even regionally, because I've bought some Drake May rookies from my kids as investment pieces. Jordan Love and CJ Stroud are the two most requested because people are way in on the people have already bought their mohomes and their burrows. People are a little nervous about burrow and the injury. And if his card value will come down, everybody laughs about how much Mac Jones cards used to be worth versus what they're worth now. Worst investment ever. The player that one dealer told me, keep an eye on and maybe even a fellow like yourself who could be a little thrifty at times, but loves turning a diamond to a dollar. Said the player to maybe consider speculating on right now, because his stock couldn't be lower, but you can still go out and buy some very nice cards. And this season, they have nowhere to go but up. Bryce Young. I can see that Dave Canales, Xavier Laguette, Deontae Johnson, Bryce Young's apparently put on a ton of off-season muscle and weight this year so he can try to keep up. Like maybe he'll turn into the Carolina Kyler Murray that a lot of people could see him being not a terrible little piece of advice that guy gave off right there. No, you're definitely buying low and you're projecting that the love for him was more right than the hate for him, basically. You're turning the clock back a year, a year and saying there was a reason he was the number one pick. There was a reason that the Texans also wanted him as their quarterback before they settled on. Let's remember that bit of revisionist history, correct? Because C.J. Stroud, he's the number one card, by the way, he is everyone, everyone in the business, all the fans are expecting him to just end with the roster that they've built down there. I'm still on the record saying AFC Championship this year for the Texans, but I'm saying his cards are overvalued right now. Wow, Steph Diggs, don't let him enter the chat. All right, last two little pieces. Speaking of over or undervalued, we have two little power ranking nuggets here for you to wrap up, Pat's Peri. Pro Football Talk has put out their pre-camp power rankings. Andy, did you see it? I did. What do you think? 31st overall for your New England Patriots. Well, since I have said there's a possibility this team goes 0 and 17, I believe it's kind of accurate. I joked with you that there's not going to be many games where you think the Patriots have the better team. Like they play the Panthers. What's that? The first preseason game? Yeah. So that may be the last time when you think they're definitely the better team or they have the better roster or the better, whatever. Now there's other winnable games. Like don't get me wrong, the Cardinals are on the list, the Titans are on the list, Rams are on the list, Seahawks are on the list. Yeah, but who knows what the Jags are going to look like this year, the Jags. Those are all in play or debatable or talking points depending on one team. Because that's the other thing. We know teams and players change dramatically from what we think of them in June or even what we think of them in August and early September when we're drafting our fantasy teams and you're like, what an idiot. Why did I think that guy was going to be so good? And you realize he stinks and vice versa. Some guy that's going late is going to be a stud in the centerpiece of his team and blah, blah, blah. So all this is up for debate, but I don't know, like they either start Jacobi Brissette or Drake May. So they have an unproven or proven and you don't like him quarterback, right? They don't have a left tackle. They don't have a receiver. Their defense is good, but as we've talked about, you're putting a lot of stock in a corner back who's played three point two games in his career and a slot and a slot corner who was once again kicking to the outside out of need and a slot corner who is coming back after the entire year being missing his entire sophomore season with the same injury. Gonzo had that caused him to miss 13 and a half games and a head coach and coaching staff that has never really done these jobs. So there's, there's, if you want to make an argument for why the Patriots are one of the worst teams in football, it's really easy to do. I guess is how it's well. It could also be because ESPN says they have the 27th best roster overall. Oh, so that's better than 31. It is. And that's funny because that comes off of our friend Mina Kimes saying the Patriots have a top five defense. I don't, what is her deal? She she loves. She loves a lot of things, but two of them are local receiver and the Patriots defense. Yeah, she loves numbers. That's what she loves. Oh, DVOA, XYZ, QRP, war, warp, put it all together and they're pretty good. Like, yeah, I think she's nuts. And not just because I have questions about some of the talent, but also because a lot of those numbers remember our numbers and numbers get exposed against good competition. And when you face, you have the 49ers circled for a ass whooping Christian McCaffrey, Debo, whatever. Christian McCaffrey, dark horse candidate for MVP, according to NFL.com. Not much of a dark horse if you ask me. Well, you know what he's due for? Miss six weeks with a hamstring injury. Right. That's what he's due for. But that's a day right there. I feel pretty sure that's going to hurt the Patriots chances to be a top five defense that day alone and forget about the other ones. Like the Bengals could embarrass you on opening day. If you're not ready, they could put four hang 40 on you on opening day. Well, is it going to be Ricky Pearsall and the Brandon Ayuk spot because now it looks like he's going to grouse his way out. Pause. I think he wants to get traded to the commander so he can be wide receiver one a with his boy Jaden Daniels. That would also if if they make a power play and go get you. I still think they have enough receiving star power between Debo, Pearsall, who's the kid that Oh, John Jennings, who actually had a great postseason as well. He just signed for like a little and McCaffrey as key offense players. Now what all of a sudden give the commanders like the potential for like a sneaky fun offense with Cliff Kingsbury? Yeah, we'll see. I mean, all these things are theoretical. Remember, we thought the Patriots might have a sneaky fun offense last year. Mac Jones is going to bounce back. Bill O'Brien is a, you know, a proven coach. How'd that work out? I don't think I ever thought that and funny thing is they didn't. And I think a lot of it. They were going to we kept saying they were going to be competent and capable and we were using it doesn't mean use the wrong C words. They were a bunch of and they were that's free everybody. We've gone we've already gone long on segment two, which we thought was going to be a brisk brief run around everything going on that we could we could talk about Bryce Baringer's golf game for a while if we wanted to and so many other things. But that's what we got going on. There's your nuggets. If there's anything else, any other tidbits, feel free to send them to us once again at jumbo heart at Vitzy GFI and at six rings pod. This episode is brought to you by Experian. 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Now it's time for our final leg here on the latest six rings in football things podcast. Our Patriots off season positional previews pop continue this week. Last week we were on the offensive side of the ball. You happen to have heard we did it live live blanket. We'll do it live on the rich Keith show. Of course you probably heard it here on the six rings in football things podcast feed. We're now switch that was the wide receiver position. I was hopeful Andy said what was your I was optimistic or hopeful and you say competitive you went back to the C word for the New England Patriots receiver room which it's funny as we were just recently discussing ESPN's ranking of the Patriots rosters the 27th best they said by far the most glaring weakness or the weakest spot would be receiver on the team. There's a chance I think receiver could I don't get no I what else do they have to do draft two kids you got a bunch of jet I mean there's a bunch of twos and threes but is it that bad well I don't know just like I don't know about cornerback like if if let's just say Demario Douglas is really good in his second year after showing flashes as a rookie and let's just say somebody from the KJ Osborne juju smishuster KJ I mean Kendrick Borne group has a really nice year. Isn't that the same as thinking Christian Gonzalez is going to be the best corner and Jonathan Jones is going to be good like you have a rookie that you're hoping really overachives and blows up in year two who showed flashes and you have a veteran you're hoping to lean on like it's weird I'm starting to push back against how bad the wide receiver position is it doesn't have a one and I it's lacking that elite talent but I don't know I just sort of the way some of these positions are being assessed is starting to bother me a little bit well this will be a very interesting one to assess because I don't think anyone really knows who necessarily aside from one or two people play this particular position we're back on the defensive side of the ball today we're going to take a look at the linebacker position and let's go ahead and do it the way we like to do it here let's start off with an adjective what one single word would you use to describe the Patriots linebacker room heading into the 2024 season good enough wait did you say one word yes so this one of those like slang good enough enough how about what would adequate suffice show okay adequate adequate but I think when you put together guys like Joanne Bentley and Jelani Tavai like are they underrated by the way um Jelani Tavai is underrated yeah I think Bentley is sort of the classic if you're good enough to be the starting middle linebacker you're gonna make a bunch of tackles like that goes with the job like you're gonna get those opportunities I still think athletically there's times where he gets exposed and is a little bit limited um but he's he's fine like you can do much worse you can be significantly worse at that position and then Tavai has versatility he's certainly evolved in his times to catch a lot of strays from Pat's fans the same way Miles Bryant did and it was unwarranted like he's a pretty solid football and I bet if you got Bill Belichick on the horn uh right he would probably tell you like oh Tavai was one of my guys I have a lot of cheap shot jokes in my head I was just gonna the Andy nope do not think of nope don't go 72 and 24 that Matt right now he's currently involved in a matte light to tie law romance and we'll just leave it at that there were things in my mind that were like his dad home can your dad come to the phone no I got a lot of I got a lot of flak for saying what happens if Belichick and the young lady are ever out on an invent he he'd have to rent the car he'd probably get a senior citizen discount there's a lot of there's a lot going on anyway we're gonna move on line backers um but I think that's it I'm unsubscribing you disrespected the coach well I mean I think the coach disrespected the coach or the world around him or social norms or there's a lot of previous her previous bf was 64 so she has a type anyway yeah it's not all his fault now we're finding not all his fault but I mean it is what anyway anyway we don't like to live enjoy it yourself six rings football things um line backers all right so right backers but joining um now this is this is where gets kind of nebulous Andy because who gently is your like he's like the one true line backer line backer he's like your middle linebacker even though he's listed as left inside line backer on the depth chart joining him is jalani tivai don't forget Rayquan McMillan still in the house poor guys had so many tornadoes or hurt he's had more torn ACLs than he's had healthy seasons since he's been with the New England Patriots you also have and this is where it gets kind of like Marte Mafu listed on ESPN.com as a linebacker and for knee jennings now he's uh underrated line backers he just signed that three year 12 million dollar deal to remain with the Patriots free agent seone taki taki no more than of course and of course uh jalani tivai and Matthew judon now see I don't think I don't know if mop who's gonna end up being a linebacker or safety I don't think the team knows either and also like I guess edge is a linebacker or can't edge also be a defeat offensive like edge is that nebulous position that I I just hate the the high the fictionalized name and in that case when it comes to guys that are third down backs like an Antonio Gibson he's not just a running back he's also a receiver so should he so should he just be called like uh whether he's called denard robinson ow offensive weapon right well it's kind of like in college where some people are now recruited as athletes and they get to that school and then they figure out where they're gonna put them because they're just a good athlete coming out of high school um right oh I want to rewind to mop who okay is a guy that normally I would think Andy Hart me would be like cynical of and like pessimistic um I found myself watching him run around in OTAs and minicamp and I'm kind of becoming optimistic about him like I just I'm not sure where it's gonna work but I feel like I'm gonna want old school bill Belichick used to have like 17 starters on defense basically he would have all these guys that like their role players match ups week to week whatever and they all were gonna play a lot you weren't sure when how why but it was gonna happen I feel like I want mop who in that rotation and I know you have a roster like ESPN and their ranking of the roster said their best position is safety because Kyle Dugger Jibrill Peppers is like a really mop who in another world if you didn't have those two guys or maybe if Jibrill Peppers in a year or two was gone and ages out maybe he's in that sort of big safety role the Adrien Phillips Adrien Phillips Jesus I was gonna call him Gonzales I was like no that's definitely not Adrian Gonzales totally different um but I'm I'm kind of buying in on mop who and then in a similar but very different fashion if we're gonna talk about these where do they fit guys and athletes my guy Keon White who I'm definitely buying in on has been standing up quite a bit on the edge of the defense now I don't love that I think that's probably that's like an itch rolled let's not do that too often I think a good offensive coordinator if he figures out how to scheme that we'll expose the hell out of Keon White you're taking him out of his comfort zone but both of those two guys bring blended athleticism to the linebacker room that I kind of like that I'm intrigued by and now it's on the only man whose title is the same as his initials the Marcus Covington it's on him to figure out when they should be on the field and how to use them but I'm intrigued well there is the potential for the uh the regular hybridization if you will of the Patriots defense I also my apologies I left one out of the mix and there's a bunch of names you'll probably never hear again like um Joe Giles Harris, Jotham Russell, O'Shane Zeminis uh there's a lot of names on there that I steal oh they got steel chambers yeah kind steel chambers from Ohio's favorite name coming out of the draft yes I didn't even know chambers made it to the Patriots oh happy day no he was doing a poem actually that's exactly why I wanted the name wanted the player who shot in the porn industry um oh no Josh Uche as well now see like you mentioned see you mentioned Keon White he's listed as left defensive end and listed as right defensive end is Christian bar more to me Keon White and Christian bar more couldn't be more different as football players if they had to aside from the fact that they're both big strong and want to get after the quarterback so I don't know like I don't think of Josh Uche as a linebacker he's a pass rusher uh Cione Taki Taki has taken over for um Mac Wilson senior this year as sort of the uh coverage guy apparently his coverage numbers last year in Cleveland were excellent so we hopefully we'll be calling out his name early and often for another great pass breakup or holy smoke every numbers up your ass what's that I said stick your coverage numbers up your ass way oh come on it's good coverage numbers are good pass breakups are good tight coverage is good uh it's just such a such an like it used to be here comes another back in my day here's your latest boomer moment on six rings in football things but we definitely grew up in an era where there were four linebackers or three linebackers usually left side the strong side weak side in a middle linebacker hmm now linebacker and they didn't waste single digits either and they've like the the fusion of safeties and linebackers and defensive ends and edge players and whatever basically you just have a couple of fat guys a couple of corners and then you just got football players in the middle now basically in an NFL defense and I think the fact that you said you were interested in or higher on mop who than you were previously that you're definitely in on key on white and we know you're unrequited man crush for Christian bar more maybe it's the fact that the Patriots do have the potential for a diverse interesting and effective linebacker room like there that puts the mena kind to the world uh saying that the Patriots have a top five a potential for a top five defense this year because there does seem to be a bit more talent there than uh the I may initially glance and recognize yes I think there is some of that um but just because I like watching them running shorts he's probably not a necessarily a director who had his growing pains last year I know Daniel Jeremiah loved the player coming out last year for the Patriots but like he had to get smoked by Tyreek Hill with um JC Jackson and coverage like those are the things that are supposed to happen when you're a rookie what does he make of his sophomore season and and I think this is you know we all talk about the athletes on offense well you need to match athletes at some level you know on the field you need to match tight ends running back slot receivers bully slot receivers like the very debos Samuel what is he how am I dealing with him like and I know it's not basketball so it's like man-to-man to get a match up everything but it is in a sense like you got to kind of keep the number of athletes somewhat even on the field I think you can get exposed and these guys are athletes now you're right like Josh Uche to me I've in my mind has become and this is how they were sold coming in Jennings and Uche Jennings was more of a run player could set the edge play the edge I thought he played really well last year indeed Ray is your pass rusher who everybody lauds I don't think he's reached the potential people claim he has as a pass rusher one year three million dollar deal he did not have the market that he thought no he turned down much more elsewhere he said much more much more because people do that all the time they they turn down large sums of money to be a questionable rotational player on a bad football team always always oh let's see you just you could have just left it out there people turned down lots of money for someplace they say their heart is invested in but you had to say rotational player on a bad football team I like to say um you know a a moveable part or a multi-faceted piece on an evolving football team you can put lipstick on the pig however you want I call it big how does lipstick taste by the way when you make bacon I've never I'm not good probably not very good not good so again like I can't like I can't tell you exactly what the linebacker room is going to be I can't tell you exactly who's going to make it I think this is like Joann Bentley and Jelani Tovai will play the bulk of the snaps and talky talky as well and Janet but it's kind of talky we'll see about talky talky I don't just I'm not like Bill Belichick late in his career I don't just give jobs away in my football world you got to earn your job you got to earn your playing time you got to get in where you fit in and you got to find a way to fit in so we'll see mr. talky talky this is the two of us talky talky for almost an hour on a Tuesday morning yeah so I'm going to say Andy my my assessment and my final so we open with adequate saying like it's an adequate room like it's a it's a good room it's not great has the potential to be something else I'm going to say that my projected single like at the end of the season like we did with like wide receivers at the end of the season I can't give you an adjective to describe the Patriots right now like I'm going to give them a big fat TBD because I don't know exactly what the room is going to be like because of its hybridization and the fact you know I don't know how Demarcus Covington is going to deploy a lot of these guys and what their positions are going to be yeah position linebacker in the modern NFL but I can't tell you exactly what I think it's going to be right now so I'm going to go TBD trending upward of course um so is that positive little spin I like it appreciate it be him boy and boy listen fanboy lane doesn't occupy itself bro um I am going to say evolving I think that's a good word and we should mix in also an interesting position that is being coached by two of the better players at its position in the last 10 to 15 years with Mayo as the head coach still working with linebackers Dante high tower figuring out who he is right approach working with the linebackers so that's that's a value we'll see if that's a positive I hope it is I know high tower was very um honest in that like this has been eye opening you know jumping into the coaching ranks and like being able to run an hour and a half meeting and not being prepared the first time was like uh oh I don't really have enough enough ready for these guys for an hour and a half meeting uh why don't we take a break why don't anybody want coffee let's hey uh you guys watching that show the boys on Amazon no all right um but I'll say evolving because I do think you're you're right the position is evolving I think they're getting more athletic I like seeing them get more athletic in an ideal world and this is going to sound harsh you're you're more athletic than Joanne Bentley really provides so that's an evolution at some point probably but for now he's your leader he's your captain he's your green dot he is your mainstay and he's going to probably try to stay that way what kind of season will we get out of Matthew Judon as he looks for that one final big payday in the NFL can Anthony Jennings be the edge setting runstopper that he was last season in the post Belichick era now under Drod Mayo and Demarcus Covington what does Cione Taki Taki make of his opportunity taken over for Mac Wilson and will he shove it up Andy's you know what because Andy said he could shove or we could all respectively shove our past coverage numbers and what about Marte Mappu where does he play does Josh Uche have a career year setting himself up nicely for free agency next year as well see lots of questions here in the evolving TBD LB room for your New England Patriots what do you think Pat fans are you bullish on the Patriots line backing core do you think it's a work in progress are you down on it is this something they should have addressed further holler at you guys Fitsy and Hart I'm at Fitsy GFI he's at Jumbo Hart and this has been the latest at six rings pod thank you guys for listening I hope you guys enjoyed our rush more discussion the latest chock full of Pat's peri and of course our off-season positional Patriots preview we'll be back tomorrow on Wednesday with a what if Wednesday live across all of our respective and the WEI socials and he's off next week I'll have a bunch of Pat's pods for you so don't you worry we will keep your football listening tuned in and ready to rock for Fitsy for terp and everyone else involved in helping put this together rather I should say for Hart I am still Fitsy I think it's been an hour it's a lot of talking it's a lot of moving pieces we're good now all right this has been six rings have a great day everybody we'll talk to you tomorrow good day god bless and as always Andy can go f himself and you guys go pets
