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Follow and listen to Reception Perception on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. The City of Champions once again representing football style. Here on the latest six rings and football things brought to you by your friends at W E E I Odyssey and 2400 sports. And I got to say, if your football bucket has been a little empty these days or not quite as full as your basketball bucket or your baseball bucket because well, the Boston Celtics are the world champions and the Red Sox suddenly are hot and a $2 pistol. Well, don't you worry because Fitzy and Hart are here with so much football today to talk from the wide world in New England Patriots. First things first, we're going to get into this little bit of off season NFL programming. The geniuses at 345 Park Avenue came up with. That's right. The NFL network had a special on this week who made the Mount Rushmore of every NFL team. The New England Patriots won pretty rock solid. I got to say, although there is a little bit of room for debate there. We'll talk about that and some of the other Rushmore's on the up top in the middle here today. We'll get into Pat's Perrie. That would be all the news notes and nuggets from around the wide world of Patriots nation. And we will finish up with the latest in our off season Patriots positional previews. O P P P. Yes, you know, we today we're going to talk linebackers. All right, all right, let's get into it. So this latest little bit of off season programming that the NFL network came up with, you know, where are in what is truly. The deadest of dead zones when it comes to football right now. We're a month away from training camp for all the NFL teams. So really much going on. Last week, as we spoke with Andrew Callahan, he reminded us right now, your veterans are not giving an F. They are all taking as much time as they need to right now. The rookies are installing and trying to figure out what the heck they're doing. It makes total sense. And fans right now, understandably, are probably taking a little bit of an emotional football break as well. That's why off season programming and content like who made the respective Mount Rushmore's of every NFL team are good for us to be able to chew up and spit around that and around a little bit and see who are the four greatest players for each team. What was your first thought when you saw that the NFL put this out and what were your initial thoughts on the Patriots Mount Rushmore? I should let the audience know the Patriots Mount Rushmore being Brady, Gronk, Hannah and tie law. So the first part was like, oh, yeah, they've reached that point where we've all done this on a random radio shift. Hey, you want to do the Boston Sports Rushmore or the Celtics Rushmore? Whatever. So we've reached that point. That was my first thought. Then my second was, yeah, it's fine. It's interesting. People will, you know, watch it and talk about it and debate it. And it is good. I always joke about why we just just because they put four heads on a mountain, why do we have to limit it to four? Why isn't it five? Why isn't it three? And that whole thing. But then when you get into the details, the other issue that you have for the Patriots, if you were going to do a true Mount Rushmore, Bill Belichick's on it. I know this is players, but like, if you were just doing that, Bellach, oh, oh, oh, nice wrinkle. I didn't even think of that. I mean, he's got to be like, yeah, and in which case, like, here's one, for example, the Green Bay Packers goal, Pat goal. There's is wide receiver, Don Hudson, Bart Starr, Brett Favin, Aaron Rodgers. Three court makes a lot of sense, I guess. Yeah, but it's three quarterback. I hate that that's quarterback bias. That's like a lot of that on these, but no, I know. And I hate that. And and I know I've preached like, you're going to take Drake May because you got to have a quarterback because all that matters in football is a quarterback. I hate it, but that mentality, especially a historic organization like the Packers to be like, yep, we're just going to go with all the quarterback star and just in star, I would put on there. Historically, there's some and I know they're all one MVPs and they, the whole thing, I just cannot, but it's like in this particular instance, I understand the QB bias, but in this particular instance, it's pretty tough to argue against. Favara and Rodgers as well in there, but I could get some and I don't know, the Packers have some historically great players, especially like lineman from the 60s and 50s and all that. And I just like, if you could get one of the Patriots, all time, greats on here. So John Hannah was coached by, I don't know, the name doesn't matter, but he was an all time great Packers lineman fuzzy something, something. I was he something I had for those last night with dinner, if you had Hannah on here, I'm sure he could argue why. Three quarterbacks, you know, Hannah, who hates Tony Easton, who probably hates a lot of soft modern quarterbacks. He could probably argue like, that's ridiculous. You tell me the four best Packers in history, three of them are quarterbacks. So that is one thing that the quarterback bias bothers me a little secondary to that is if I were doing a true Patriots rush more, it would be the two guys we talked about a couple of weeks ago at Brady Knight, it'd be Brady and Belichick and all the rest of y'all can fall in line behind those two. Those are the, but then I think it would be super, I think the, I think the argument can be made for the two teams we're discussing here in that their coaches should absolutely be on there. And then of course, the Cleveland Browns, the Paul Brown, but the Patriots rush more, if you could just put all personnel coaches whomever would absolutely be, it would go Brady, Belichick, and then probably Hannah Gronk. And that's easy. That's it. It's done. It's over. I need to. So, and then Lombardi in place of who for the Packers? Um, Rogers. Oh, wow. Overfava. Yeah. They each won one Super Bowl. I know, but I, I just look at, I don't know. I mean, that's a debate that can be had. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to go down as one of the great underachievers of this generation or any generation that he is on his way, like just the regular season, winning the pure talent, the boat, he always the boat. And what does he have to show for it? And he's kind of a dink, like, and I know. Farve was kind of who, but farve was a different kind of dink. He was like a troubled dink with like substance. He was a reckless, he was a reckless dink. He was like the, the friend, like, if we were all out at a bar celebrating the Celtics championship, each one of us would have to take turns keeping an eye on far because, you know, it would either be too much or who's he trying to hook up with or who did he start a fight with? Like, you know, there's a wild card factor there, but you kind of like him. Like he's a friend. Oh, he's as Aaron Rodgers is part of your social circle. And you're like, why do we hang out with this guy? We roll our eyes every time we're with him. Like, we're on a dinner table. I hate going out for burgers with with the Rogers. Yeah. So, but so I'm sad that I trusted my insurance money with farve. There's, there's various issues for both of them, pictures and phones and everything. There's lots of stuff going on. But so let's just narrow it to the Patriots and just say, forget the Belichick part, the coaching part, the players. But now I can't because you got me hooked on that. Well, I mean, I can't believe you didn't. It's kind of obvious. If you know, I'm not going to be. Apologetically got very, you know, football field myopic in my focus, but like, you're a thousand percent right. OK, but let's play their style. They're players. So I agree a hundred percent on Brady. I agree a hundred percent on Hannah. I agree a hundred percent on Gronk. And to me, the debate begins in the four slot with Thai law, but I think there is a pretty disrespectful. Lack of acknowledgement and awareness for one Andre Tippett. I think Tippett, I would put Tippett over law. It again, it may be personal. I like him, you know, I grew up at the right time where he was sort of part of my sports heroes, you know, the Bo Jackson era, the Andre Tippett. era, those guys. He was one of the only guys to root for back this I unless you had. He was working Jersey. He had the he had the unenviable positioning of playing in the shadow of Lawrence Taylor. I think if he had played a different time, Andre Tippett would be looked at as one of the greatest defensive players in the history of the game. But the fact is he played when Andre when Lawrence Taylor played and that doesn't do him any favors and the style of play was fun. So I personally, no disrespect to Thai law and there's others. You know, you if you want to tell me Richard Seymour is a Hall of Famer and should be in the consideration or whoever else you may want to argue. But I think I would put Tippett in just a slight nose ahead of law. Yeah, I agree because, you know, well, always just, you know, Andre Tippett wears his pants with a black belt. He is a bad ass. First or second on the team for 10 straight seasons and sacks, 100. He made the triple digit sack club. There are very few members of the triple digit sack club in a different time. That number has been deflated over time because quarterbacks throw a bazillion times. So when a quarterback throws a bazillion times, that means there's more opportunities for the defense to get sacks. He sacked the quarterback a lot when the other team was actually still running the ball and running games and like it was a it was not a dropback stand in the pocket. Weight get hit kind of era like we see now. So I actually think that I need some analytics dude to put his 100 sacks in perspective. I get to think that's like 140 today or something like that. Oh, easily, but easily a buck in a quarter. Yeah, and I'm sure you could ask the Watt brothers. You could ask Miles Garrett. You could ask Daniel Hunter or any of the pass rushing specialists of the modern NFL. And they would all probably tell you like, oh, yeah, Andre Tippett's one of the like, he's one of the pass rushing goats, for sure. I would put Tippett there as well just for fun for a little S and G. Let's make a maybe like a little for your consideration backup rush more. So Tippett is first and foremost and absolutely tie law. I agree with you would see more. The thing is, even though he's got the bona fides of the yellow jacket and the bronze bust in Canton, he doesn't have any statisticals really to back up for it. But any single person who ever coached or played against him would tell you that's one of the greatest defensive lineman of all time. Or with them, the guys that played behind him and around him and said, boy, my job was a lot easier when Seymour was out. Really, really, really a lot easier. Mike Haines, probably, even though he spent half his career with the Raiders as well, he was still pretty damn good when he was here. That's the problem with some of those early years, guys that played other portions of their career elsewhere. Like Nick Bonacani, I think, is in that world played for the Dolphins later as part of their great defense and everything. That's a, there's a fun one. And I think just because of the sheer impact of some of his plays with all, with all due respect to many of the other, you know, great players. The Mosses, the Welkers, the Edelman's who probably would like to have their name called out or their voice heard. I think just because of the magnitude of three specific plays, I probably have to put Vinnitary in the four spot on my backup rush more slash for your consideration. Yeah, I would have Vinnitary very much in the running because then argument can be made is the greatest kicker of all time. Now, then it's like, whoa, where does the greatest kicker of all time weigh in with the greatest quarterback of all time? Tight end of all time guard of all time. You know what I mean? Like, they got some goats and that puts him probably on that second tier. I think Ben Coats is in like a second tier conversation. He again, over blood. So like, tip it. Oh, oh, absolutely, Ben Coats is closer to like all time great than Drew is. Drew's really good quarterback. Second best quarterback in the history of the franchise until May passes him. And like, I love Ben Coats in that if he didn't play behind Gronk or he didn't play in that era or played in this era and actually got to play in January and February more often. I think people would remember Ben Coats as a totally different player. Shorter run and, you know, similar to Gronk that if you're going to take that kind of an ass whooping, you're probably not going to last very long at that position the way and also while wearing number 87 want a Super Bowl with another team gross. Yeah, no, it's it's. So I think I think Stanley Morgan should probably be on some sort of a tier again, high class problems for the Patriots because you do have so many truly elite players that have come through, especially, you know, waited a little bit generationally, like some people would want to probably put Gino capaledi in there. I don't know that he really measures up in terms of, you know, goat status, but certainly an all time patriot, great and the numbers and the all time leading score and the versatility. And out of the AFL as a trailblazer, too, there's a little bit of the respect for the great guy. Great guy. I get that the nicest. Hell man, in this case, well, I'd almost even make an argument for a freakin Gil Santos being up there because he was so damn good at what he did for so long for the team. But that being said, I think we can all agree the Mount Rushmore should be if you're just talking about people that controlled or had a direct influence on the game, Brady Belichick, Gronkowski and Hannah as well. Like if you're a team, like, I thought this one, this was probably, you know, as accurate an assessment as you could possibly have for a Rushmore. The Carolina Panthers, Cam Newton, Luke Keekley, Julius Pepper, Steve Smith. I mean, yep, that's like in an arguable Rushmore. Now, granted, their history is also decade shorter than the Patriots or the legacy teams like the Packers as well. But that's kind of perfect teams that have teams where their radio stations will have the phone lines lit up for days because it's so difficult. A team like the Steelers, right? Yep. I mean, there's probably 15 different guys on the Steelers and I know they've got Bradshaw and Rothlisberger on there. I even heard people on our radio station arguing like, this is bananas. You can't have those guys. The swans and the stalwarts and Webster and so many other players. Yeah, there's so many. And that's where again, where quarterback gets the bias, like quarterback gets the nod gets. And it's, yeah, you think of them. They've had some of the greatest centers in the history of the sport. Dimitri Dawson and Mike Webster and those guys like it's that's how deep a franchise they've been. And of course, simpletons like us are always going to lean to who put this together, by the way. Do we have like a I know it was NFL films, but. Was there like, I don't think they said like it was like a relative of the sayables and Greg Rosenthal and Daniel. I don't think they told us who the committee was that selected. OK, yeah, because I also always wonder about. Our generation of their safety. Yeah, but I always wonder about the generational aspect to it and sort of who you saw like this would be a fun thing. If Bill just wanted to, you know, start a blog now that he's got some downtime and he's just hanging on the out on the boat. And he just wanted to, you know, do these things. He's actually commenting on his own Instagram feed and signing at BB like the presidents do when they make it their own. But if he wanted to do something like this, based on his top was a top 100 players of all time. He took part in and all that. I would love to see him bill Belichick's run down of the Rushmore's for every team. And that would be right. He may tell you that Jack Lambert, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Green, Ben Roth, this burger is solid. But here's like he'll rattle off 19 other players, 11 of which and we we consider ourselves relative football hardos who probably know the the stars and studs and Hall of Famers of the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and beyond for most teams. He'd probably rattle off five or six names. You'd go, I'm sorry, Bill, who? Right. Oh, yeah. But it these are fun. I do think the Patriots won. They did a good job. Like you can't say definitively, well, this pro football Hall of Famer is way better than that pro football Hall of Famer, right? Like, so right. Tyla Andre Tippett, you're lucky. You have a lot of Hall of Fame caliber talent that's played now over generations. And that's why I also wondered, was it a sheer younger committee? And they're just like, Tyla, I don't know who Andre Tippett really was. I know he was in the Hall of Fame, but I didn't really see him play. He does have three, you know, he does lead the Patriots in so many individual defensive statistics and also three Super Bowls, hot splash play in a Super Bowl, dominating Peyton Manning and a couple of those AFC playoff games as well. But again, that's where the coaches and the tippets of the world, I would say. Yeah, put them on better teams. And I think you'd be remembering and glorifying all their impact plays, right? Like, you know, who's a dark horse here? Never is doesn't deserve consideration in a way, but does deserve consideration in a way if you're talking in that sense. We're here for it. Go ahead. You're linebacker's coach, Dante Hightower. Like he's he had a really underrated career. That's not going to get maybe the credit it deserves. Like, for example, no, he deserves you're absolutely right. He deserves every single bit. If, if Tylaw is your first half of the double dynastic run defensive star that makes the rush more, Dante Hightower made just as many impactful plays in Super Bowls, if not maybe actually more. And I'm going to say something right now that you people may not like, right? You people, all you people have already made everyone feel good about it. Um, Dante Hightower blows Teddy Bruski's career out of the water. But I think most passionate Patriots fans just have a first portion of the dynasty soft spot in their heart for Teddy Bruski. But just, and this is no disrespect to Teddy Bruski. Really good player, really good teammate, really good patriot, really good champion. Everything Dante Hightower was a physical freak who made some of the biggest plays in the franchise's history to win Bill said it the other day at the Tom Brady event. Like I don't know how some of those Super Bowls go if we don't have Dante Hightower. Like these banners up here, you, you wouldn't have needed to do the construction to make room for more banners. You could probably squeeze it down a little bit. And it's, and also, you know, and, and we'll kick it into the next leg of the podcast with Pat's pre coming up in just a quick second, but this is one I have fun discussing and debating here and wherever else there are frosty cold beverages and hearty football dialogues, otherwise known as snapchats around these parts. When the Patriots, if they ever do retire the number 87, you best honor two people on that night and not just say that's Gronk's number because we were lucky enough to have two people wear this number, each of which deserve Patriots Hall of Fame recognition and potential NFL Hall of Fame recognition with Ben Coates and Rob Gronkowski. Same deal for 54. I think if you're going to retire two more numbers and then just say we're going to go ring of honor from this point forward, Dante Hightower and Teddy Bruski both were legends wearing 54 and I would feel awkward if I were anyone else wanting to wear those numbers 87 or 54 going forward. Kind of like 10 from Mac Jones to Drake May. Uh, how about Jimmy good? No, oh, wait. All right. What do you say? That's the history of that being a soft quarterback number. That's a phase of I know both of Drake may to want to continue the number going forward as well. Uh, and of course we all know that, uh, young Thomas Edward Patrick Brady would have worn number 10 as well on the Patriots. If it weren't for who was it again, who was wearing at the time? I'm going to say Lee Johnson, but I'm not sure if that's correct. I was going to say Lee Bodden, but that was actually the wrong Lee. It was L E E, not L E I G H. Anyway, you're off by like 12 years. Yeah, but I had the first name, right? Give me a little credit name right. And the generation wrong is wrong. All right, mute his microphone. Oh, that's right. We don't have a producer. He's at the hour back center. All right. What do you say, Pat fans? Do you like the Patriots Mount Rushmore fun little activity? Any other Rushmores that the NFL network put out that you like. Holler at your boys, Fitzy and Hart. I'm at Fitzy G F Y. He's at Jumbo heart. And of course this right here is the at six rings pod. All star closer. Ken Lee Janssen, we have a question. What's the best podcast of all time? This boy isn't boring, baby. I'm Rob Bradford. And every single day I'm sitting down with the biggest names to show you this great game is the greatest game. It's my podcast. It's my passion is a cause I started more than two years ago. It is now the most prolific national daily baseball pod. There is another fact. So jump aboard the BIB Express. 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