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Sunday, June 23rd, 2024 Part Two - LEC, LCS

The League of Legends Betting Podcast  Sunday, June 23rd, 2024 Part Two - LEC, LCS Recorded on: Sunday, June 23rd at 315am Eastern Eric Haber (Sheets) had me on his show over on TrueDFS on Thursday to talk LOL betting, my origin story, how my content applies to DFS and some other big picture concepts about LOL Esports. Check if out here and check their content out! Recap 0:26LEC Slate 11:35LCS Slate 27:50 You can find more, exclusive content to go along with this show on My Patreon. My Twitter/X is @GelatiLOL P&L Sheet for 2024 can be found here and pinned to the top of my Twitter.

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The League of Legends Betting Podcast 

Sunday, June 23rd, 2024 Part Two - LEC, LCS

Recorded on: Sunday, June 23rd at 315am Eastern

Eric Haber (Sheets) had me on his show over on TrueDFS on Thursday to talk LOL betting, my origin story, how my content applies to DFS and some other big picture concepts about LOL Esports. Check if out here and check their content out!

Recap 0:26
LEC Slate 11:35
LCS Slate 27:50

You can find more, exclusive content to go along with this show on My Patreon.

My Twitter/X is @GelatiLOL

P&L Sheet for 2024 can be found here and pinned to the top of my Twitter.

The League of Legends betting podcast is brought to you by my Patrons at patreon.com/jalatiLOL. There you can find bonus content like in-depth articles on macro trend analysis and league previews, as well as thoughts on breaking news and the podcast picks before the show is released to platforms. You also get to support your creators more directly. patreon.com/jalatiLOL. That's G-E-L-A-T-I-L-O-L. Good morning, everybody. It's currently a little bit after 3 a.m. Eastern. We are in the middle of Game 2 of Gen-G just playing with their food with Okbrian's savings here as anticipated. Yeah, this is an ugly, ugly series, but it's not, you know, all that. It's pretty much what you'd expect from this series. Gen-G are having a bit of fun here. They've had 8k+ gold leads at 20 minutes in both these games, so, uh, yeah. Might need to throw the numbers out for this one. Anyway, uh, add an absolutely abysmal day in the LAC today. Really, we had a pretty rough one all around, uh, but we did get R2 LCS bets home. Thanks to that clown Fiest of a series. Um, ended up down -3.377 units on the day. Kind of averted disaster. This was looking like it was on its way to... If both those LCS bets lost, this probably would have gone... This would have ended up as the 10th worst day of my career betting-wise, so... Yeah, definitely not a good one. Not one that I am fond of, but, you know, sometimes it happens, and, you know, I've said a couple times today already that it's a marathon, not a sprint, so you gotta kind of... Just put your head down, you know, recognize if something... Try to figure out if something was just unlucky if the process was right or wrong, and, you know, the results are gonna happen the way it goes. Sometimes it just doesn't go your way, and that's the way this goes, that's risk. Um, anyway, that's all folks. That's risk, folks. Um... Anyway, uh, LAC and LCS tomorrow. I'm recording this very early in the morning, uh, during the LAC K-sleep. Uh, I'm not gonna go into too much detail on all these matches in the LAC and LCS today. I'm gonna quick do the rundown though, so we had, um, Fnatic against Madeline's Koi. This was kind of a slow, methodical, grind-out win from Fnatic, but a lot of this match was basically the Oskarinen Olaf counter-pick, just completely dumb-stirring Mirwen and Olyoya, who could, like, literally... It was pretty early on in this game that Oskarinen could two of you won the top jungle duo. Olaf was just an exceptional pick, and the rest of the game kind of snowballed off of that, and this was... I mean, Madeline's never really had a choice in this. They got... They got... It was a great counter-pick from Fnatic, and sometimes that happens. Uh, another match that had a great counter-pick, uh, that kind of blew the match open to the point where it had no chance, was Vitality against Giant X. Vitality had no shot in this game. Uh, I know... I saw a couple of people in the esports department discord, bitching and moaning about Hill of Sang. I know DFS players kind of got wrecked by him, and I know Vitality were kind of, like, a leverage play today in DFS, so... You know, a lot of people were extra salty about this. Not a great game from Hill of Sang. Don't get me wrong, but I think people were kind of going after a modal too much here. This was an impossible situation. Their only real engage tool was either Twisted Fate, ulting in and gold-carding someone, and then trying to get out, or just gold-carding whatever was on the front, or getting an elite just insane Talia wall, which is very difficult to do when the other team has a huge front line. Outside of that, it was just Tom Kench hitting his telegraph to knock up, which is extremely easy to avoid, as a matter of fact, you can just walk and avoid it. So, they didn't really have any engage tools. They also had three auto-attacking champions between Senna, Ezreal, and the Ezreal Midlane and Twisted Fate. So, Jionx was just like, "Yeah, okay, let's take a mal-fight, and mal-fight Rush to Frozen Heart, and mal-fight was un-killable in this game more or less." And when you have a team that doesn't have engage in the other team has a mal-fight, which is just the easiest engage in the game. They have mal-fight Leona, and they can layer on top of it with Sejuani, and Varus Ultimate, and all sorts of other goodies. They have a bajillion ways to engage on you. You're only frontline as your support. You don't really have any engage. People throw the term draft diff or draft gap around a little bit too liberally, I think, in general. Most drafts aren't as lopsided as hyperbole would make you think. But every once in a while, you do get one that is extremely lopsided, and the game is essentially over before it starts, and I think this was one of those games. We had two of those in the LAC today, and part of what ended up playing into the negative... This one actually got the tower total over home, but part of what ended up playing into the results being there was that we just had two just extraordinarily massive draft gaps that ended a game before it started. In this Vitality Giant X1, we got lucky to get this home. I'm honestly shocked that Giant X didn't completely steamroll this game, but that's a different story. And then the Fanatic Mainlines Koya thought the Olaf was just a game breaker. As soon as that pick happened, I was like, "This is just done. They have no shot. They're gonna have to snowball this so hard, and they just didn't." Olaf was just a ridiculously good pick. Poppy Sichuani, Alistair, no one's... You had a two-core carry of Kaisa and Corki who could eventually get through him, but Olaf is gonna be a problem. You're never gonna be able to 2v1 him with anybody that's not Corki and specifically Corki and Kaisa. You're not gonna be able to 2v1 him with anybody besides your two carries. So, great draft, great adjustment from Fanatic. This was an unlosable game, more or less from draft, unless everything went pear-shaped in the first five minutes, and that's all that had to avoid, and that was that. Other games in the LAC today, we had G2, Carmine Corp, G2 kind of back on track here. This was a complete shell-lacking, almost a perfect game. Only gave up one tower and two kills. Goldie ballooned pretty quickly. They had almost a 3k Goldie, like 12 minutes into this game. This was just over. Broken Blade busting up the top Sichuani. We haven't seen that in a minute. It was cool to see that back. The Poppy support, back in action again. G2 looking like G2 again, which is good. I don't think this was a draft iffy necessarily, but Carmine Corp picked a very, very slow and steady scaling comp, and this game just got blown open early by really off the back of your leg, just getting super fed on Xin Zhao, but G2 back on track was good to see. Heretics SK Gaming, SK Gaming, pick up the win. This was mostly one-way traffic. It was close for a little bit, but Yankos kind of got picked on. I thought this was a pretty good spot for Karthus, but it seemed like there was just really poor communication between Yankos, Trimby, and Wonder who was doing what and when a fight was going to happen. Heretics, I've kind of been giving this team the benefit of the doubt saying that eventually they'll figure it out and they still have a pretty good closing rate, but they're just so lethargic in the first 15 minutes of games that I don't know if you can really, this team might be bad. Like, they might be a bottom two team, even if they don't end up finishing there in the standings. Their underlying numbers are pretty dreadful, so they're on Dumpster Fire Alert. I'm officially putting them on Dumpster Firewatch. BTS vs Rogue. This was kind of close for like 15 minutes or so, but Adam just got immensely fed on Renekton and that bought enough time for Ice to get immensely fed on Zari, and with very little hard CC on the side of Rogue that could reliably hit Zari, the only main one being basically Zolas on Leona. And you know, all of that being cleanseable once Ice got fed, Rogue really had no shot in this game. So, yeah, a bunch of weirdly lopsided games that I think were a lot based on draft. Two of them were heavily draft based. I think that kind of played into why we didn't get a lot of competitive games compared to what we got last week. More on that in a little bit, just quickly touching on the LCS here. And just for those that know, I caught the first series in the LCS. I've had to quickly comb through the second series, the 100 Thieves Dignitas series in VODS when I got home. I was peeping at the box score while I was out to this dinner, but I did not get to watch it until about an hour and a half ago when I just combed through these. Dignitas pick up the 2-0 win, Upset win as dogs here. 100 Thieves in this first game blew open. It was pretty close to the first 15 minutes or so. Really kind of ballooned the game open once they picked up the third dragon, got way over Zolas, tried to flip it into a Baron, lost at the Baron, Dignitas ended up taking this game all the way home. This was an absolute clown Fiesta of the game. Because they didn't get the Baron, what ended up happening was Vens Smolder. I can't believe we're seeing Smolder still played in professional play, but whatever. 100 Thieves couldn't close the game out, and that gave enough time for Smolder to get online. You had Smolder, Corky, and even though 100 Thieves had plenty of scaling in this game, with the Karthus in the center and everything, they just had... Once Venn got a couple of kills in this game, it got real ugly real fast, and that was the sum of it. This was a chippy, sloppy, ugly, classic 100 Thieves kind of game where they got a little bit ahead of themselves. They're still a very green team. River got picked out a couple times in this game, too. It was not a particularly good game for him. Second game, Dig were more or less in full control the entire time. There was a couple of hiccups where I thought they kind of took some trades. They didn't have to, gave 100 Thieves a window back into the game that they didn't necessarily have to. They didn't end up getting punished for it, but that's just something to monitor moving forward. For the first, like, for the most part, this was a wire-to-wire win. In the gold graph, it was a wire-to-wire win, but there were a couple specific moments that I thought, you know, maybe not textbook. Methodology wasn't perfect. 100 Thieves obviously are going to remain a kill total over a team. They just continue to throw themselves at teams when they're losing, and when they're winning, they get ahead of themselves, which ends up resulting in prolonged games, and they become a kill total over a team as well. They also just like to scrap, which, you know, plays into that as well. Yeah, Dignitas, I mentioned yesterday that I'd lean to the Dignitas side of this, if I remember correctly, that's what I said. I might be misremembering that, but I know for a fact, I didn't have the stomach to back a super shaky macro team in 100 Thieves laying that big of a number, and I didn't have the stomach for it. It turns out I should have just played Dignitas, but, you know, hindsight is 20/20. Anyway, moving on to Sunday in the LEC and LCS, first of all, we'll do the LEC week three, day two. Quickly got a touch on, just like yesterday, I am going back to the well with these macro angles. They did not work out well today. Obviously, I had a pretty abysmal day in the LEC, but as we just discussed a little bit, I think we had a couple of upsided drafts, a couple of upsided games. I'm not sure we're going to get a lot of upsided games again on this slate. I think there's a lot more competitive match ups this time around. Not necessarily good match ups, but match ups where I think the teams are competitive with one another. So, I am going back to the well with this concept. I'm not throwing it out just because it didn't go well today. The following are the macro plays for week three and day two. I will also have a couple of additional plays for the games themselves once we get to the individual games, but I want to quick run through the macro. I want to quick run through the macro plays again, touching. You can read yesterday's Patreon Postrails and yesterday's podcast for the reasoning for these, but I'm just going to touch on them just because it's very late at night. Rogue versus heretics, I'm playing over 12 and a half towers at plus 127 for one unit, giant X versus BDS, giant X are getting plus eight and a half kills at minus 101 for 1.01 units. I'm also playing the over 12 and a half towers at plus 127 for one unit. Fnatic versus G2, over 12 and a half towers, minus 165 for one unit. This, I think, is probably closer to how the book should be pricing these, but I still think it's not heavy handed enough. I'm going to be playing it again, still shows an edge, plus these two tend to play slugfest anyway. So, I'm okay with this one, laying juice for the change. SK Gaming Mad Lines over 12 and a half towers plus 111 at one unit. Calm my core vitality over 12 and a half towers at minus 127 for one unit. So, those are the macro plays. I also have some individual plays I'm going to get to. Let's open up the first game here. We have Rogue plus 119 against heretics minus 145. Model made this plus 159 heretics minus 196. Rogue have a sub-1600 agnostic economy. They have a negative 142 agnostic gold differential per minute, which is the worst in the five major regions, meaning they are the worst team in the world right now by the numbers. Do I think Rogue or the worst team in the world? Probably not. I think maybe Shopify or Mortals might have something to say about that. I think there's a handful of LPL teams and I think maybe Breone might have something to say about that as well, but the point being, they are pretty bad. And while I think maybe they're slightly better than their numbers indicate because they've just been completely wall-upped in a few games this season. There are a lot of their games this season. They're probably a little bit better than their numbers. Rogue are at least competent enough to take an early game advantage and run with it. They don't have a great closing rate. They only have a 50% closing rate. But we've seen them snowball games and actually close out relatively methodically before the problem Rogue are having right now is that they just bury themselves in a hole early. And coincidentally, I think heretics are having a very similar problem right now. Both these teams lead at 20 minutes in less than 40% of their games. Heretics have that perfect 100% closing rate with any kind of lead at 20. Both these teams lead at 20% in less than 40% of their games. They are very, very low agnostic economy. This is currently your two bottom agnostic economy teams in the LEC. Weirdly enough though, heretics actually have the fifth ranked agnostic gold differential per minute, so they're kind of just playing low econ games a little bit. Kind of like Mad Lines when they first came out a couple of years ago, but I don't think heretics are necessarily a bad team, but their numbers are starting to look bad enough. And they're in a disadvantageous game state more often than not, and I'm starting to think that this team might just not be good. I kind of mentioned it in the recap, but like, I've been giving this team the benefit of the doubt as if they're going to figure things out. And at the very, very least, they are avoiding dumpster fire tier because when they do get leads, they are methodical and can close them out. That's preventing them from being dumpster fire tier because everything else about this team screams bad to me, everything else. It's weird too because when you watch them, they don't necessarily look bad, maybe it's just because they win often enough to remind you. But they do one thing well, which is closed games, which is a lot better than a lot of teams can do, but if they're never ever getting advantages, I don't know, man, it's kind of odd. This is an interesting handicap because if you think you could look at this two ways. One, you could say, okay, if both these teams are bad, just take the plus money, like the toilet bowl handicap, right? The other way to look at it is if heretics get a lead, they don't get those very often, and they're absolutely nails at closing when they get them. No team in the LAC is more likely to spot them a lead than Rogar. That's one way to look at it. You could also inverse that and say, well, part of Rog's problem is that they're not getting leads in games very often. Well, you know who the next most likely team besides Rog is to spot them a lead? It's heretics. And then Jynax, who are shortly behind them too, but that's where we're at here, folks, like heretics might be bad. I might have been giving too much of a benefit of the doubt to this team, but they do one thing well on outside of that. They're not great. Model makes the heretics a play here. I don't have the stomach for it personally. Like, I don't have the stomach to be laying -140 or more with a team that's like basically 1600 agnostic economy. Just for comparison, guys, DRX are like 60, they were like 1650. If I remember correctly, I'm going to pull this up right now. DRX are just, again, for comparison. Okay, well, after yesterday they're back in the dumpster too, but let's bring up Breon. So comparison, Breon are currently 1600 agnostic gold per minute with a -136 gold differential per minute. Agnostic gold differential per minute. That's the realm that we're talking about here. Obviously, it's a different league. Maybe you could argue about competitive league, but just keep that in mind here. I don't have the stomach for it. The model suggested a play on heretics. You know, if you forced me to take a side here, I'd probably play heretics, but I'm just going to stick with that over 12 and a half towers play in this one from the macro post, and that's going to be it. Jynx plus 272 against Team BDS minus 353. First instinct on this is that this was a little too heavy-handed. Jynx have been playing pretty well. I don't think this team's good, necessarily, but they've had a pulse, and they show some fight, and they've got a little bit of, you know, the kid's got moxie, you see, you know, like that kind of thing going on with them right now. And BDS have looked pretty good, but... Oh, this is a big number. Model made this plus 160 minus 197. I'm maybe a little bit more bullish just qualitatively on BDS than the model is here. BDS actually have incredible, incredible numbers. Obviously, they've won a lot, which helps, but, you know, they're approaching 1700 Agnostic gold per minute. They have a plus 60 Agnostic differential per minute. They lead at 20 in not many of their games, so they are playing, like, grinded out League of Legends and they're doing well at it. They only have a lead at 20 and 41% of their games, but they win 83% of the games they have those at. And half of those games, which 20.7%, literally half the games they have a lead at 20, it's a significant lead at 20 minutes. So when they do get leads, half the time it's a complete, it's a significant lead, and they often blow teams out. They have a ton of quality wins this season. More than half their wins are grading out as quality wins, and they have a lot of wins already. They have a couple blow out wins as well. They've been lucky a few times, but generally BDS are good. They're showing an evolution that they're not just an Adam Carrey's team and they cheese people. This team is legitimately improved over the course of the season. I think they're pretty good. That said, this is a big, big number, and Giants are playing about as well as they're, you know, they've been playing all year right now. I'm not saying they're good. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, you're kind of, you know, playing them toward the upper end of their percentiles, and they've been giving you some higher percentile games recently. So we also, as part of the macro trend, I played the plus eight and a half kills and the over 12 and a half towers in this contest. I'm also going to sprinkle a little on the money line. I'm going to play point two units on giant X money line plus two 72 in addition to the plus eight and a half kills and the over 12 and a half towers. I just think, I don't know, like there's a chance to get BDS sleeping. I think this is just a huge number and a best of one. And, you know, maybe I would probably just pass on this if giant X didn't show that they've been, you know, they have a pulse that they're actually trying and making proactive plays in games. I just think this is just a tad disrespectful. So I'm going to take a stab on the dogs here. Fnatic plus 163, G2 Esports minus 200, spoiler alert, there's another dog when it takes that bad. Model may Fnatic plus 102, G2 minus 124, short favorites for G2. Qualitatively speaking, looking what these two teams are doing right now. I don't think that's out of line. Generally speaking, G2, I think, are kind of in a tier of their own above every other Western team. I think Fnatic are the next best thing. I think Fnatic are the main challenge for them. The thing is, I think Fnatic so far this season has had better form. They look like the first six games we've seen in summer from these two teams, Fnatic have looked way better to me, like relative to themselves. I think Fnatic look are playing like at the top of their range right now or pretty damn close to it. G2 should be favorites. G2 have had Fnatic's number. G2 kind of own this team sometimes, but I think right now, given the form that you're seeing from these two teams, this is about as good a shot as any. I don't like to bet against G2 very often. Usually when I do what's on the kill spread, this is one of the only times I'm probably going to take a money line position against G2. I just think it's right time, right place, right price. So in addition to the macro play though, over 12 and a half towers at minus 165 for one unit, I'm also playing Fnatic money line plus 163 for one unit. Just think this is, like I said, right time, right place, right price. This should be an awesome match. I'm going to make sure I set aside time in my work schedule tomorrow to watch that one live because it should be a doozy. I would say probably the two best Western teams still, so it's good to see the Fnatic took their slate under performance at MSI to heart and have come back swinging. SK Gaming minus 184 on the money line. Mad lines plus 150. Model made this minus 161 plus 132, so this is a little bit heavy handed here. I think this, I kind of agree with my model. I think this should probably be closer to parity. SK Gaming are, I think SK Gaming look better than they are, and I kind of talked about this yesterday where I've been bullish on this team and I have positive opinions on this team. I like their decision making that they have in game, but there are very weird bizarre example because usually fundamentally sound teams are good under the hood metrics, good teams, and sometimes don't get the results. SK are getting the results. They have good decision making, but they're under the hood metrics are not great. And typically that is an indicator of like kind of a weak foundation. I like their decisions, but they do leave a lot of gold on the table, and that's a bad foundation to build on. SK Gaming are kind of a strange team to handicap because they're obviously going to be better than their numbers a lot of times, but I think this is shaky ground is what I'm saying. Like, I don't think they're kind of due for a little regression, if that makes sense, and like once they play against good teams, it's going to matter. Now, you can make the case that Madlines haven't been a good team in summer. Madlines have been struggling quite a bit, but I mostly just think that this should be closer to parity than it is. Like, I think this should be closer to a coin flip than it is. I don't think it should be a coin flip. Madline or SK should be favored. I agree with that part of it, but I think this should probably be more like -150, you know, -130 plus, you know, 110 or something like that. And you're getting Madlines a +150, so I'm going to take a stab with the dogs in addition to the over 12 and a half towers, so I played Madlines Moneyline +150 for one unit. I don't think this is like a massive edge, but it just feels a little heavy handed. Madlines, I still think Madlines are going to get up off the mat and fight. Like, this team should be better than what we've seen so far in summer. They're kind of in a slump right now. Again, might just be buying the dip and it keeps dipping. I don't know, but I just think this number is a little heavy handed for SK Gaming, who I'm not quite sure are this much better than Anon, like Dumpster Fireteam. Like, if this was SK against Rogue or SK against Carmine Corp, then sure, I think Madlines are better than those teams by quite a bit, so I could be wrong about that. Maybe they're not, maybe they're bad. The numbers say that they are pretty bad, but even with the numbers saying that the numbers right now have Madlines is like the seventh, seventh, or eighth ranked team. And it's still making this too big a price, and that says a lot about SK Gaming. Really, I think the big thing with the LEC right now is that the entire middle of the table outside of the elite teams is just this huge hodgepodge. There's not a lot of difference between all of these teams. Like, there's very, very granular differences, but ultimately, at the end of the day, there's really not that big a gap between the worst teams and the best teams. Like, Rogue's numbers are abysmal. They might be the worst team, but like, they're not actually all that different, like then even SK Gaming and SK Gaming have been pretty good this season. So, in general, in the LEC, you want to lean toward making the case against a favorite more than you want to make the case of endorsing them, just in the current state of things. I think it's kind of weird. There's a lot of parity, it makes it super entertaining, but the overall quality has been kind of bad, so we'll see. That might change, it might just be that the long season, it could just be this patch, could be the teams are figuring things out, I don't know, but it's been kind of a bizarre summer to start things out. Last match of the day in the LEC tomorrow, we have Carmine Core Plus 124 on the Moneyline, Team Vitality, Minus 151. Model made this Plus 222, Minus 280, and if you use the summer only sample size, it's Plus 203, Minus 254. So, model saying basically, no matter how you slice it, that Vitality or a value here, I know they had kind of an embarrassing loss today, but again, we talked about that draft in the recap. I think markets typically tend to overreact to emotionally bad, or vibes specific losses, like taking an L to a really bad team, or taking a particularly bad whooping against someone, or a player dying a bunch of times, it leaves a bad taste in people's mouth, and markets tend to overreact to that kind of thing. This Vitality team's underlines are still incredible, and they're still very, very, very good, and I still think you're looking at probably your fourth best team, behind G2 Fnatic and BDS. They just had a bad loss yesterday. Why is this Minus 151? What have Carmine Core done? Carmine Core's early game is almost worse than rogues. Like that's like Carmine, Carmine Core bleed at 20 minutes in fewer games than Rogue and Heretics, who we talked about ad nauseam and Gyonax. Carmine Core trail more than anyone, even looking at summer, they haven't been that much better at that. There's no, like, I don't get, this is an overreaction. Vitality should be -200, at least in this contest. It could be Vitality on the Moneyline -151 for one unit. In addition to that, over 12 and a half towers at -127 for one unit. Just think this is an overreaction. LCS for Sunday, two very, very big favorites. I'm going to talk in a minute just about that, but let's, we'll just go and do it as I go. FlyQuest -458 on the Moneyline, the minus 1/2 mass at -109 against Energy, plus 341 on the Moneyline, the plus 1/2 is at -111, the minus 1/2 is at plus 891, almost 9 to 1 there. Model didn't make this too far off market, minus 416 to plus 360, more or less saying that this is a no play. My initial take on this, I'll be honest with you guys, was like, when I first looked at the both series prices for tomorrow, I was like, you know, I know Energy is bad, I know Shopify is not that good. Like, does any LCS team really deserve to be laying these kind of prices in a regular season best of three? Like, this is still the LCS. Like, this isn't, this isn't Billy Billy Gaming and Gen G, okay? Like, the best LCS teams are still often sub-1700 agnostic gold. There's a pretty clear tier difference between, you know, the top LCS teams and the top teams and the other leagues. And I know that like, the bad LCS teams are also particularly worse sometimes, but like, are any of these teams, are you that confident in any of these teams to be laying 1600 to any of these LCS teams, really? Because I'm not. That's the next match. I'm kind of skipping ahead of here, but my initial instinct was just hold your nose and take the dogs tomorrow. Like, whether it's to take a map or to take them on the kill spread, you know, I started like thinking about it some more and Energy have looked abysmal, but to me, this is Dogger Pass. Like, these, these favorite prices in the LCS, like, I'm not, I'm not paying this much for either of these two teams. If Cloud Nine can get themselves into tip-top form with that roster and are really firing on all cylinders, I could maybe lay 500 against, like, Shopify or Immortals. Maybe. And I'm, I think, I think Cloud Nine's the best team in the league. I think they're going to be the favorites to win the league. I think I already bet them to win the league. If I'm not willing to lay 500 with them against these teams, like, that should tell you something. Like, I, uh, Flakwests might be your number two, Liquid might be your number two. I don't know. Like, the, I think those three teams are your clear, you know, top three. And maybe Dignitas is your fourth best team. I don't know yet, but like, none of these teams should be laying this kind of price to anybody. The LCS is just too inconsistent and it's, these teams are not good enough and these are regular season series. There are no world class teams here. Unless Cloud Nine hit their tippy top percentile level, then they could probably be a world class team based on kind of the flashes that we saw from spring and winter. But they're even a question mark. So, uh, you know, my gut tells me to take, like, just energy kill spreads or energy to take a map or something here. Just hold your nose and take them as bad as they've been. I don't have the stomach for that. Really both these matches tomorrow. I don't really have any interest in the LCS because the favorites prohibitively priced, but I don't really want to do anything with the dog either. I guess I'll touch on the second one too. No, no action in the first match. Team Liquid minus 1645 minus one to have maps on minus 266 against Shopfire Rebellion. Plus 938 on the money line, the plus one and a half is a plus two, 12 and a minus one and a half is a plus 2377. Model surprisingly made Liquid not that far off from this as a favor, which is unbelievable because Team Liquid have just a 1638 agnostic goal per minute. You know, I wrote, I wrote up the Patreon post already. I already, I already updated that. I always, I always released that before I do the podcast. And I, I said that I didn't have an appetite for either of these dogs, but the more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm talking through this on the podcast, I'm literally talking myself into just taking, just taking a stab on Shopify. This number is ridiculous. I know this team is struggling, but this number is ridiculous and Team Liquid are not that good. They're just not. Like nobody, nobody in the LCS is this much better than anyone. Nobody minus 1645 is like, it was that 88% implied. It's not, it's more than that. It's 94.3%. There's no way, there's no way in a regular season game that Liquid is 94% to win. All right, I've, I've just talked myself into taking some Shopify. I changed my mind. Anyway, Shopify plus one and a half maps of plus two, 12, and I'll sprinkle the money line plus 938 for point one units. You know what, I'm gonna do, I'll do, I'll do point zero five on the minus one and a half maps at almost 24 to one as well. So I'll, I'll play some fat numbers on Shopify. I wouldn't fault you for playing some energy too, but I'll just pick one, I'm not gonna play both tomorrow. That's gonna be it for me, I will see you in about 12 hours with an L.E.C. and L.C.K. or LPL post for Monday morning. Till then, good luck and happy hunting.