Doctors basically said, yeah, you have psoriasis. Here's some steroid creams. Good luck. And that's all they did for me. The creams didn't do anything, but thin my skin out to where I would touch cardboard or anything and just start bleeding. But yeah, the pain, the pain got worse and worse and worse to the point where I couldn't sleep 98% clear. And I was probably 75 to 80% covered. I said, Doc, I've been depressed and suicidal my entire life. After I quit sugar, so suicidal thoughts would just randomly be there every day, like, time to go. Like, let's go do it. Time to go. All these things stop and they cease to exist. (upbeat music) Hey, we've got Steve more of us today. Steve, go ahead and share a little bit about your background. I know you've mentioned you've got some psoriasis, so let me just go ahead and be reassured if you don't mind. Yeah, so my psoriasis journey started about the age of 19 when I realized I had something going on on my skin. Doctors basically said, yeah, you have psoriasis, here's some steroid creams. And so every time I came back with more spots, they would just give me a different cream or a stronger cream or, and that's all they did for me. And nothing with nutrition or diet or anything like that. But yeah, the creams didn't do anything, but thin my skin out to where I would touch cardboard or anything and just start bleeding. So yeah, they were no help. Yeah, that's one of the down sides of top of steroids. And said, but eventually we do it all the time. The thing is to get out to the barbell work, which I mentioned, start flaking and eating and stuff like that. And so what about like light therapy? That was me while it hadn't been one of the treatment of psoriasis, but you're actually maybe this will call who the therapy was, which I did do UVB phototherapy. It helped a bit the first time I did it. The second time I did it, I got zero results whatsoever. Okay, and you said psoriatic arthritis or you had some joint pain as well. Absolutely. Yeah, and it's funny 'cause the joint pain started when I was about 15 in my wrists and my lower back. And I had no idea what that was all about. I thought it was from riding mountain bikes or whatever, skateboarding and different extreme sports. But yeah, the pain got worse and worse. See the point where I couldn't sleep, my couldn't do anything really. Sleep was impossible. I would lay it like this with my legs kicking my bed, trying to get some relief and yeah, awful. And so you've got psoriatic arthritis, you've got how extensive was psoriasis on here? You said it affected your choice, wisdom back, skin, what was it, a lot of places. A lot of people are on our elbows and knees. Right, skin on the face. Yeah, it started on the elbows and knees to where it took over my entire legs, my entire thighs, my entire butt, my entire pubic region, my basically from here on down, my entire arm, you can still see there's a couple of tiny dots left. That's it, that's all that's left and some scarring. But literally this whole entire thing, and I sent you a bunch of pictures and you'll see the difference. I'm 98% clear and I was probably 75 to 80% covered. And that's probably a gynecologist, I would imagine. And the thought is, and he thought like, why is this occurring to me? Did you ever get any insight on some of the methodologists? No, not at all. And I even, at one point, I went back east to University of Pennsylvania Medical Center, apparently one of the best dermatologists in the game, one of the best roomatologists. And I left there crushed, more depressed, more than I ever been at that point. They just, they were awful. Yeah, the doctors just treated me like, I don't even know, I have no idea, it was just really bad experience every time. And then I had no health insurance, right? I went the last, how many, 14, 15 years, 20 years without health insurance, I was just trying to figure this out on my own. Couldn't figure it out. Finally, I had health insurance a couple of years back, started going to the doctor, they wanted to give me more topicals, they wanted to put me on humera, they wanted to do this, that. I refused all the pills, I refused all the injections. And it just kept getting worse and worse. And it got to the point where I was, I couldn't barely move, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't do anything, I couldn't function as a normal human anymore. So, my last doctor visit, October of 2022, they wanted to shoot me up with dual injections, of some kind of immune suppressant drug. And I asked him about the side effects. And he said, yeah, the depression gets worse, suicidal, possibility thoughts, blah, blah, blah, I said, doc, I've been depressed and suicidal my entire life. I'm not gonna let you kill me, I'd rather go home and do it myself. So I left that day to end my life. - Yeah, I was done, I couldn't take anything. - Yeah, it's suffering, I had some poor gosh. What would, so how did you get over that? - What was, what did you end up, that was your, from my standpoint, you're watching, obviously this is an emotional bit. - Yeah. - Why did you get, get past that? - So I came home that day from the doctor and I got on my phone and I was, I don't know, looking to say goodbye to people or what I was doing. Somehow I ended up on Twitter and came across Mikayla Fuchsians. Story about how she healed, all these crazy things going on with her body and arthritis and nothing that. And I just, something hit me and said, look dude, just do this, just do what she did. Like you haven't tried everything else in the world, you ate raw vegetables for years. That didn't help you. You tried all the stuff, you don't wanna do the drugs. Like, you don't wanna die, I didn't wanna die, I didn't wanna end my life. I started weaning myself off of everything. Seed oils, vegetables, greens, gluten, sugar. And yeah, and it just started getting better and the depression, after I quit sugar, depression and suicidal thoughts, which were there every day of my life. It seemed like I had a shield now. So suicidal thoughts would just randomly be there, every day, time to go, let's go do it, time to go, all these things stopped and they cease to exist to this day. And yeah, my mental health is just 1,000% better. - So it's improved significantly. How long did it take you to start seeing a resolution in your skin subject? - The skin within, I'd say within a few months of getting rid of basically everything, but meat and fruit and some dairy. The skin was getting better and then when I cut out the fruit and the dairy, it was getting way better. And then last November, at Thanksgiving, I screwed up really bad and decided to treat myself 'cause I was getting better and I was like, hey, let's treat myself. It's Thanksgiving, you're all alone and let's have some apple pie and some pumpkin pie. And that took me on a month long spin of downward spiral into everything I shouldn't have been doing again. I got really sick in December. My skin went haywire again. Pain came back, depression came back. Everything just went full force and it woke me up again and made me realize that January 1st, I'm going back to just, I'm gonna do lion and just that's it. - Let's January 1st of this year. - Of this year. - Of this year. So I'm half a year into lion and I am, like I said, 98% clear. My pain levels are probably 75% better. I sleep through the night and no depression. I have no suicidal thoughts. I'm a whole new person. This is what I prayed for 30 years and the fact that I am what I am right now is mind blowing on the daily. - So I'm gonna start it out. There's more of a diet where you need a little bit through all the dairy products I bought just saw. - You gave those things out the extra, through the dairy that really helped. And then you slipped them right back to being pumped and buy some holiday, you get sucked into the holidays and then it's brought everything back 'cause you fall up the light out. And so now you've been since January. So now you're at seven months or six and a half months in. - And is it first that this is the best you've been since four years or something like that? - Absolutely. I'm my fittest. I lost 70 pounds. I've recently gained back 10 pounds of muscle. I work out four or five times a week. I swim. Yeah, I feel amazing. I'll be 49 in September. And I feel the best I've felt since college. I can't believe it. Like I'm also feel like my brain fog and that whole thing is just gone and I'm clear and I'm connected to the world. Like I'm connecting to the universe in a different way now. It's so much better. - I don't know if you're obviously with the frustration you felt from the general health care. So have you been back to the dermatology since the day? What kind of resolved all this stuff? You put out all the greens and crack the chains. Put me on the deck. - No, sir. I have not. I still don't have health insurance. That was the last time I actually had health insurance back in 2022 as well. But I don't feel, I don't see any reason to go real doctor. Wait, now, honestly, no reason. - Yeah, I saw it in a weird way. It's almost, if not having health insurance was a blessing because if you're forced to figure it out yourself and you go there and it's here's the latest biologic, here's Smithers from all over the zone claim on your body. And it just doesn't do anything other than making massive symptoms a little bit. - And they present, is that was it? Do you have that kind of impression? - Absolutely. That when he said that I would have to be on these two shots, basically every two weeks or whatever was for the rest of my life, I just think there's got, that's it. - I can't do this. It's not gonna work for me. I will die on this stuff. I will put some bits going to make me kill myself real fast. So rather than put myself through that torture, I decided to walk away from them to deal with it myself. That wasn't gonna be good. But yeah, thank God for it. Michaela's video that came across that day. - So what, so what does your diet currently look like? It's keeping you in your mission as deep as a psoriasis, where will you eat on a daily basis? - I basically right now I'm eating about a pound and a half of grass-fed beef in the form of either ground beef, try tips, flat meat, steaks. I basically have a budget for the month and I found a good place that has good organic grass-fed meat and I spend my budget on that for the month and then fill my freezer. And that's it. Sometimes I eat twice a day. Sometimes I eat once a day. Just depends on my schedule. Sometimes I make crispy meat chips and the dehydrator, we keep me going. Or if I have to travel, that's why I say to my travel. - That's pretty simple. That's amazing how just a simple diet is more powerful in many cases than all these expensive pre-engines and gosh, because $1,000 to $2,000 for $1,000 a month. - While I want you to tell them to inject the nature and say, "That's the other part of those drugs, "they're so expensive." - Yeah, they are. And the thing is it's got to be like, you think it's frustrating this. Here you are with this commission in bed for the last three years and medicine, it's not really worked. And there's a lot of money that goes in all this and thought it took an interesting edge of steak. - There's got to be some point of frustration in figuring out that it's up on them. Do you have any of that? - Oh boy, I had lots of anger in the beginning. When I realized I started to heal, the anger got even worse. The more I healed, the anger I got. And I feel like they took 30 years of my life from me because they lied to me. And because there was a solution. They all said, this is incurable. You'll have this forever. There's no real cure. It's autoimmune, blah, blah, blah. Everything he told me was complete crap. And here I am cured. I don't know what to tell people. I'm living proof that they don't need to go through this. Jumped in a bunch of psoriasis groups on Facebook and I got kicked out of every one of them from trying to share my interview with Homestead Howe and Carrie because they don't want the truth. - Yeah, it's interesting because you got, a lot of these online communities are actually run by or supported by industry. And yeah, when you start saying that, you don't maybe don't need to be. 'Cause a lot of them have their drug utilization support groups, how to hydrate my drugs. It's whistling, it's great and struggling. So that I didn't somehow that's going on there. So one of them off the thing, I was thinking of what you need because the answer is no, I don't like to say that. 'Cause some people have bought into it and they're ideologically opposed. 'Cause you'd mentioned you did the raw vegetable thing for it. Did you attempt to do some sort of plant-based attempting addressing a solution? - Yes, so I have all the different books on curing psoriasis through diet and this and that. The stuff that they tell you to eat is everything that you shouldn't be eating. And the opposite, don't eat red meat. Basically, I was eating raw vegetables. I would eat a giant salad every day. And then at night, my demons would kick in and I'd have a pint of Ben and Jerry's or I'd have half a pie or something, like ridiculous. But my main source of food was raw vegetables. - Yeah, that's, I guess maybe if you could somehow maintain that, but the problem is when it's starving all the time, you're eating demons in the low floor. - Yeah. - I know people talk about all the phytonutrients and all that stuff, but you can't access a lot of it. - Because it's this thing that's not loaded in a storm. It's like anybody that has had say a colon here who would crap in a bag. Literally, however, they swallow that vegetables out comes out the other end. It's literally this. - Yeah, you can lose weight because you're just not joking in nutrition, but it's not really a flourishing way to feed yourself. - So I was loaded all the time. - Yeah, that's really, it's really bloated. - Yeah, awful. I couldn't, and I didn't know what the bloat was and I realized with all the vegetables, yeah, for sure. - I didn't have a lot of people who will start to say that this moment, let's say it's normally loaded or some loaded, but I just reject it first. - This doesn't make sense if you would be of the war or if you're quite as in the pain cases and say that's normal and there's no other organs from in our body. We swallow and we're just gettin' on, just don't want the joints on, it's normal and they're gonna hit it. It's normal and it's chest pain and one, A, no, that's normal. We accept that, accept that weight I've got because it's so cold that if anything is so adapted and it's crappy. Long diet if I lose, it's a long start. Eating food, it doesn't actually cause that just it was comfortable, it's shocking. - So you said improvements in mental health, improvement obviously in skin and joint health, were there any other things in the lost weight? So I'm gonna ask quite a few things in the body. Anything that surprised you over time what's with regard to the dietary change? - Everyone says I look way younger now. Well, I seem so clear and bright and bent, like I feel like they're clearer or something. I don't know what it is. I feel like my eyes are different. Like I said, also before, I feel like I'm more connected to a higher existence at this pain. I don't know what it is. I feel everything that I've been going after since I came out to the world a few weeks ago. Everything is just snowballing. And I have more podcasts lined up. I have my dream of doing a small ranch where people can come and stay and I can get them off of the standard of American diet and I can break their addiction. They can just come, I don't care. They don't need to pay. That's my goal is to have a place to help people at some point in the near future. - You mentioned addiction. Do you feel that you were, did someone addicted to some of this for you that I were an issue for? - Absolutely addicted to sugar and dairy. Like absolutely. When I was 16 and 17, I got addicted to some cocaine and sugar was easier to quit. Cocaine was easier to quit than sugar. I quit cocaine cold turkey overnight and never looked back at 17 years old. It took me weeks to get off of the sugar and deal with, "Oh man, it was hell." I was sick, I was. - Yeah, I feel like sugar and other foods and definitely addictive, absolutely. Especially if you have maybe previous addiction or addictive personality or what I would maybe. - Yeah, what do you say? Do you feel that's maybe sugary foods or just like any tablespoon of tin or sugary to probably inch like ice cream, to chocolate, so much cookies and sugary type foods? Is that one? - Yeah, processed, sugary, dessert type foods. - Yeah. - It's like people say it's got the sugar, but I'm really the ingredient. I don't know, would you say, what about like artificially sweetening? - Desserts don't have sugar, but they're all so sweet as that. Would that also be a problem for you? - I never did artificial sweetener. I did as natural as possible, except food. Obviously the junk food. - Yeah, I don't. - I feel like processed foods now in this country are all just pure evil. - Yeah, I'd take this mo, it's just a game. And there's so many, it was a shadow out. It was artificial sweeteners and flavors and colors and thickeners and emulsifiers and stabilizers and preservatives. Flavor, haspents, I think they're problematic ways. I don't know if that's more of all of them. - Which one means? - No, I have to eat it for no reason. Why do you eat it? Why do you eat it? Why do you eat it? - I'll bet it without it. How is your appetite now versus that? - What was it? Was it a report where you would scoss off all the resources? - No, I'm making it up, it's made into most C-shaded plants. - Absolutely, I was hungry all the time. I thought about food all the time. I literally, I have no problem going 24 hours without eating now, if I'm busy and I'm doing stuff. I, sasting is not an issue for me. It doesn't bother me. I eat till I'm full and then when I'm hungry again, I'll eat again. It easily it, it's simple as that. - Simple. - It's funny that it's such a simple recipe. You eat meat to your full stopland but at least you're not hungry and it's in to work out to be wealthy. But not everything, but for many people. You mentioned other addictions, drugs, alcohol, things like that. One of the things I noticed and I don't know of, but some people want to go to these, but rehab centers and maybe they come off the cocaine or the alcohol or whatever it is and they substitute the junk food for the meat. I know a lot of rehab centers, but I always say, "You eat garlic, you go there and eat some boxes "and cook the cola." And I was like, "Gosh, I'm not the kid." And then my friend, Chris Bell, said when he was a rehab, it was like that, it was jumping. Yeah, he was smart enough to put himself on a better diet and I think that was. And many people I see that go carnivore or low-carb or ketogenic life, but particularly with carnivore, notice that they often lose the desire to smoke cigarettes, to break alcohol, to put some of these little drugs. Can you see that? Do you feel like you just don't have the desire for these other addictions now? I don't know. I definitely don't have the food addiction anymore. And I lost my addiction insurance 30 years back and it never really came back. But yeah, the food for sure. Because honestly, I drive past fast food places all day and smell it. Employees that I work with have food that I shouldn't be all around me constantly. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I can't do it." It's still there in the back of your head. I'm still thinking about it. You still crave stuff from now and again. And I believe for me, like all the sweets and the junk food was feeding my depression. And that's what I would do at night to feed the depression and make me feel a little happy for the day. So you've got, so last year, Chris, all day you said Thanksgiving, pumpkin pie. That doesn't go away. It's gonna happen this year again in 20.4. It's gonna be Christmas and holiday. How do you feel going into this one? 'Cause we're in mid-July right now. Holiday, holiday, junk food, binge season starts in a few months. What's gonna be different this year? How are you gonna make sure that it doesn't happen to you? - I tell you what. (laughs) - I'm jumping the guns there, okay. What's relevant to that? - I'm feeling good. - You know what's funny is I told myself, I don't know, like a few months ago, I was gonna have a milkshake on Fourth of July and celebrate. Didn't happen. - What? - What do you think? - What do you think? - You mean we crossed my mind, honestly. - Yeah, so I'm not worried. I feel like this year I'm stronger than ever and holidays don't gonna get me. - 'Cause we think about that. I deserve retreats or I'm gonna celebrate something and the celebration is something to do that. - Damn it to your body. It's like, what was that? - That's right. - Is that a treat to damage myself? - Or that, like I said, I don't know, every day for me, this all goes, I'm eating steak every day. Honestly, it's like, what's the amount you have that you go on my blooming like every day for you? - Right. - Some people will get a reward like it went off for a steak and it'd be a treat, but more heaven than or flows to it every day. - And there's a point where you get through it, where you truly have conquered this addiction because there's some people who are, you know, a little slip up results into a different episode where they sit, the more it's in and now to take the bell on those issues for back. And so, what about support around you? You have a supportive environment and say, I don't know where you want to fit, do you want to go and make your family situation in? What's your situation in general? - So, yeah, my mom, who is my biggest supporter, who is also on the carnival journey herself, she lives in Costa Rica, so I never get to see her, but she's off her meds for the first time in 50 years. She's doing amazing. She was asked to be interviewed by you guys, but she doesn't want to be on camera. But she's doing great. She's my biggest supporter. My dad, who lives on the east coast, who we've never had a good relationship or anything, never been close. He's actually like, all right, I'm trying to cut out the shoulder. Try to work out, I want to come out and see you, like, what the hell, crazy. Other than that, I really didn't have too much support going on, although my boss has been amazing. He's, I've been with this company for 10 years, almost. And he's seen me at my worst and at my best. And yeah, they've always been real good to deal if I need some time off or pain or whatever, if I can't work a whole day, like they were always good for me like that. So definitely that supporter from job wise was amazing, sure. - What kind of work you did for that show? - I'm a professional photographer and a musician, and I also work in the illegal cannabis industry. So I have three careers. - Right. - How hard is it for you to work with this guy? I think you find it challenging then out of the E-warp and get a whole, how does that work? - It was hard at first, especially in the beginning of January, when I went straight, lying, and I had to be around everyone at lunchtime. Oh man, that was tough. But it's not so bad anymore. I poke fun at everybody. I'm like, yeah, look at your poison, you're eating, I think everybody's sick of that. If I see a giant cup of blue soda or something, I'm like, come on, man. But no, I don't have any problems anymore. I don't think the temptation is gonna get me anymore. I'm too focused on this amazing new body and this health. Yeah, I can't turn back. - I guess you said you lost 70 pounds and no longer covered in this psoriatic rash and I guess we have a pain and focus. Your goal is to probably notice this over the manual. - Is there anything I've discussed or how old did you do? Or if I didn't keep me with it, most of all keep having a tooth. I can never quit the pizza or whatever. - Oh, yeah, they all say they can't quit whatever they're eating and I tell them how they say it. You can do it. Look at me, definitely they're stoked for me and there'll be clients that come in that haven't seen me since my change and they're like, holy crap, dude. What in the hell? Last time I saw you're covered in blood and you couldn't move and you're, yeah. And so I love getting to talk to people about it. Matter of fact, a few hours ago, I was at my warehouse and getting a delivery from someone and he was just like, all sharkers, I've been sharing your interview with your last interview you did on YouTube with everybody. It was like, this is amazing. I'm so happy for you. Yeah, everybody's stoked. - Yeah, it's true. - How many, when you, like, I've been doing this for quite a while now, this is my eighth year of doing coral and talking about pretty much since I've started many more people now have thought I'd have experienced a part of it. Do you find, when you talk about it, some people say, yeah, I heard about that. I know some other dude that's on this or is it still, this is brand new to me? What is your actual benefit? We blast you and, okay, I'm just being neat. - Yeah, I feel like nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about and I think I'm crazy. A few people have heard about it that I know. But, and I'm changing minds though. There's a lot of people that are hitting me up for info, a lot of my friends. So, yeah, I feel like the revolution is just now beginning with this. And look, you shared a picture of my legs on your Instagram. - That's right, yeah, yeah. - My, people were saying that's not the same guy, so I had to go on there and defend myself for hours because people were saying the other one was a female's legs and this and that. I'm like, look, here's my page, come see me. My page went from, it was a brand new page. I just started it. Went from 300 followers to 3000 followers within two days of you posting that. Between you and Carrie, I have not stopped emailing people back and responding to people that are asking for my help. And thank you guys for that because I love this. I love being able to help people. It's been one of the things I've always wanted to do. So, to be able to change people's lives and give them advice. And then they come back to me in a couple of weeks and they're like, dude, this is awesome. I'm making progress like you're an inspiration and it's been amazing. - Yeah, it's quite, there's a lot of satisfaction to ride from what you were able to impact other people on a positive way. So, it's really, it's like why I'm still here doing this and talking about this year's end of it because I get so much, mostly a pleasure, but I did so much fulfillment from, I feel like I'm making a real difference in what something is meaningful. You can always build more widgets or some more, whatever. I just, that's never a goal, but something that I've been back for a bit. It's not so much financial game as it is as much as a serious desire to do. - Well, I'm old enough to the point where you're on 57, 74, and like, you get a point where it's like, okay, whatever you had nice things, got nice things. So, okay, when I get kids, kids come laughing, they'll all be there and hope it tends to, whatever it seems to say. And there's something to that. What about, so I always try, when I remember, I tried to ask this question, but I had more of a lot of guilt. I get it off, but what about downsides? - Does there have been any significant downsides till this time for you? - Any issues that you've had in their negatives? - Mm, not a one, but honestly. - That's usually the answer I get, too, funny. What about this? What about this? Obviously, there's the social statement, but they're weird, and you get funny. If you were to literally put your lunch out there in some big piece of meat, and you'd stick like a, I don't know, a piece of broccoli mess to your steak, no, it's how it worked, or if you didn't joke food, probably even better, you're like one of us. You're one of us, you're the third thing to guard with, as soon as you start to stick yourself out there, and then, I'm doing it from a hell, first of all, your best grounds, first decision. And then, if you're doing it, and you're not eating broccoli, you won't let me say really what the heck? They say no, dear. 'Cause people that think, well, we're trained to think salad in lots of vegetables, I'm here for health and one, but if there are cases, it may not be said to some of the people. - That's of interest. Do you find that this is, have you gotten, 'cause I've obviously raised the higher, and then, you know, do you believe in plant patients that you think he was most worst thing in the world, and full of all the animals, and storing the plant, and all the nonsense that they like to push up? Has any of that made us wait to your social media channels and anything like that? - Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, the vegan movement's pretty rough on you out there, but the ancestral way of eating, this goes back millions of years, you can't deny it. I don't know what to tell people other than that. It works, I'm living proof, I'm absolutely, I was the walking dead, and now I'm the walking life. - Yeah, eating two cows a year, I don't really feel too bad about that, and as far as all the animals that get killed to grow vegetables, I don't even get into that on discussion pretty yet. So, my two cows a year, I feel blessed that I'm able to have these, and I'm not worried. - And, oh, the other thing is, expense. Is this diet cost per hip? I'm actually born and so can't talk. You find that it has been more expensive once it's quite so about the same as it was like at your back, your mouth. - Definitely less expensive, because I'm not going out to eat. I'm not going into 7-11 to buy junk. I'm not buying a ton of stuff at the grocery store that buy a giant bag of spinach, and two days later, it's all wilted and messed up. You gotta throw it up and out. Yeah, now this is the way. Like I said, I found a good store that has the meat that I get for a good price, and yeah, I'm happy with it. I think this is a cheaper way of eating, for sure. And then you spend less money and you get more health. - And you said during Los Angeles, which, yeah, many people think it's a vegan haven, and in a way, there's probably more plant-based people. In some ways, more and more. - You follow plastic cities in more ways. - But even still, it's still like a tiny minority. It's still like some most people are eating meat. I was in LA, I was like, "Oh, it's right, breaks there." And I stick out and say, "Am I?" It's like, "Oh, it's ridiculous." It tends a lot, you know that. - Sure. - But it's there. - You certainly can get it. And so it's, I imagine it's fairly easy. (speaking in foreign language) - I think the interesting, I'll be interviewing the Japanese restaurant, it was called, that we just say it was an eating bistro, and now it's a sports store, a generator, a value of culture. People are losing their lives, because it's one of the most popular restaurants in LA. I don't know why, but that, that, too. More and more people are starting to wake up to the, sort of, the process, vegan burgers and crap, people are finally starting to realize that it is what it is, it's crap. Even Donald, apparently, getting rid of the vegan burger or whatever. But yeah, a lot of restaurants in LA that were strict vegan are adding meat, and a lot of eating is a bist. Blue day, it's on them. - Yeah, let me ask you a good question. It says, when you were, at some point, you said you were trying to heal with steroids, 'cause you've been with it for 30 years. When you did go more plaid-based, I don't know if you're going fully vegan or vegetarian. How did that impact your shot? Was it a little better? Was it worse or what did it look like? - Honestly, when I was, like, green-juicing, and that's all I was doing for a while, I didn't get any better. I definitely would have flare-ups as bad as ever on vegetables. Yeah, like, I was basically vegetarian most of my life. Trust me, when I got around meat, though, boy, did I try and sneak it and grab it and eat it. I loved it. And it's funny about the vegetables. I think spinach put me on two ambulance rides for kidney stones. Yeah, I ate so much spinach. - One of the concerns is the oxaloidy duciferopathy or nephritis with eye levels of spinach and stuff like that. And over the years, I've tried a couple of those juice things with that eye and stuff that I got. - I told you for a day, I was like, "God, these are awful things." - Well, I guess some people will leave. - I just would tend to like them. - I know people, like, I know a man in Dumego who grows 40 different types of fruits and vegetables on his yard, and he's eaten that raw for the last 40 years, and he looks amazing. Some people, but also, he's got control of all of it as far as pesticides, and he doesn't do anything like that. But I don't know. - I feel like it's interesting to see a few people that make this out. I think that's something that I'm gonna allow to be done and thrive on me. I'm nearly 60. I'm athletically doing it quite well, and goodness, I wouldn't be able to suck a tea out, but yeah, it's funny. I remember singing with this little baba on me in a funny series, and I had these two people who moved from California to Texas. I'd eat a couple of vegetables to a barbecue, and the husband sneats off, and they're like, "You're cute and barbed meat." And he's just stuffing his old side and finally getting submerged, and I was like, "Man, I didn't do that." And he's like, "Oh my gosh." - Yeah, that was me. - Yeah, that was me for sure. - Yeah, sure, sure, it was like... - I would sneak some bacon in a barbecue or a rim, or whatever I need my hand on. - Yeah, I can see that. - Yeah, it could be. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun. - It's a lot of fun, man, it's just because I like that. - How? - So you said you were able to put on 10 pounds of muscle. You lost a bunch of body fatters in them and been accessing, and that's gotta feel good. And so now... - Do you feel like it's injured? Put on muscle now that you're eating all this by quality productivity versus when you're eating. I guess this is your muscle that's cheering? - I... - It's your hand. - Absolutely. - Yeah, I definitely... I'm doing the same workout that I did before, and I didn't see really any results back then. Actually, I do it more. I add a little more intensity to it and a little. - Yeah, I'm gonna change this because I can. I feel better. But yeah, no, I don't know. I just, I can't believe my body right now. I really can't, like, it's amazing. - I'm gonna have a six-pack probably by September. - Before someone who's had psoriatic arthritis, which, oh yes, bulicking, then many of us are waiting here for us. - Yeah, it's just the top. - It's mostly at the front of the psoriatic. - Or what's on? - How do you joints fill these days? - Way better, way better. And honestly, in the last couple of months, they just had noticed like a huge difference. Even a few months ago, I was still having more significant joint pain, but within the last few months, it just keeps getting better. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm becoming superhuman. I'm not sure what's happening, but I can't complain. I love it. - Despite pushing just about 15, that's the kind of answer, 'cause I found this part of what I was at when I was 49. - I started. - And I'm 17 to 58. And I'm stronger now than I was when I started. And I'm literally closer to the 60 now than I was. When I was just before I turned 50. So it's interesting to see what happens over the long term. All those things, what we just expect. When we look around at everybody, when we see people go from 30 to 40 to 15 to 60, they tend to just stay behind weaker, slower, fatter, less, 80 things. - Alicia, Maya, when I spent time, I started not gonna settle up out there and try, but I've always said, "Every little one matters who I've been on." There's never been, I've not literally been 45 years, I'm not taking more than a week out for what she's asking, which is, "Where's this door?" - It's not, it's not. - Yeah. - You're walking a little bit. - It's something really happened. When we even spiked that, I was declining in my 40s. I started to see where I hurt for, I ate more, I had to stay more on the trains much together. - So that's pretty cool. - You're working on it. - Yeah, you're dealt. - Yeah, like I said, it says, "If you feel good, why not?" Why not keep doing it? I guess funny, 'cause I get people saying, "Why are you still exercising?" You need to, you don't need to stress your body. And I'm like, "Yeah, I do." I need it for my mental health, but I just think there's so much kind of purpose. And I'm not, but I'm avoiding injury, which is, let's see how it downsizes. When you're running, when you catch it, when you order the intensity train on a handle, sort of look faster. I can handle quite a bit. I think the problem is, when you see, 'cause you're not able to run really fast in the 50s, what do you think you're gonna be able to do in 70? How are you gonna move at all? Yeah, I saw a little, it's funny, I'm really, really interested in a little plyometric style train, or a gel paintball thing. Well, maintain the springiness, which is, I think the thing I mean, I have probably, it's the hardest to fall onto. It's not so hard to be strong. It's not so hard to be a little bit too. People are in marathon, gym, or wangies, et cetera, et cetera. Well, see a lot of people that can jump well, and then sprint well older. And I saw a little lady, 95-year-old wolf out there jumping well, pretty nicely, which I saw those purple ones that I've seen that. So it's something that I think I'm gonna, that's, that's, those are things that inspire me when I see these people that are much older than I am, and still get bad fits, so that's what I've done. What do you use? If you recover from your inner life, since you're probably disillusioned by the health care system as I have been, where do you see the next, if you can say, listen to what I want my life to be, it blocks five years or so, what do you want? - Now that I have this new outlook on life, because before I thought I was gonna be on disability in a wheelchair, we're dead. So those were my only two options before. So I had no plan for the future, except be disabled. That was my plan, 'cause that's what was happening. So now, like I said before, I want, I'm gonna start to go fund me, I'm working on it now. I have picked out some properties in the Midwest that I think would work for a small ranch, where I can bring my mom back into the country, have her doing equestrian therapy for people. I can bring some of my other friends who wanna do this sort of homestead type living, get them in for fitness training, and for other stuff that they do, and trying to have a place where people who have my disease, or diseases like it, that they can't break, and they want an alternative, they can come out to my ranch, and I will help them heal. That's basically my new mission in life, is to have a place where people can come and stay and heal, and when they leave there, they will be a new person, they will have a new outlook in life, they will feel better, they will look different, and I just wanna change people's lives really better. - Yeah, that's something that I often think about is, because sometimes, so hard, for some people, it's like savage, and sometimes the environment holds in back, to a point where it's almost like mom is at kidnap, but you know, they're not so lealy, but let's sequester them away from all the other crap that defrails them, and that more control over the environment, where you even say, hey, this is what you have to eat, and this is where we're gonna feed you, and not gonna have any choice, anyway, some people say, let's do research, but I think a lot of people would welcome that, it was like, man, just take me away, and kidnap me, feed me, and make me exercise, make me sleep well, and do all the things that need to be bound, because so many people left to their own, sort of, devices in our own situation, and I struggle so intently, like I said, I think, obviously, it's somewhat cost prohibitive in many ways, and it takes money and research to do, and as you might start out, it's like you did these people that have a resource in income, and times, where they could actually suck away, like you might do at some of the people, if they're relatively well off, they could say, hey, look, I can't afford a team. Three months off, and they'll move on as ranch, or whatever it might be, and then cure myself, and then hopefully, and then hopefully, that's enough, or maybe they need to, kind of, ongoing, less intense support, because it doesn't accept. - That's cool. - Well, I hope you see, I hope you succeed with that. I hope you can make new, you'll have to go around. - I think those types of things would help a lot of people. When I go out in society, and I see someone, the software, you've got a lot of programs, he's selling just, I think they're just hopelessly disempowered, one in four, and five people, I'd say substantial mental health disorder, the number of people that develop mental illness, the recent rates are, you know, 50% of this boring, it's just, that is not a society that can survive, and I think there's that if you're in a fund, it has been so inept. And it's a little old to work for, they're inept, but you can't figure this stuff out. Our healthcare system is just basically proportionally incentivized, they're making money, but they say, well, I need these ads, if they make money, I'll just give myself an encyclopedia, and all the second ones here, we get toy cage users. - Well, play cage is simple as we're all expensive, well, let's have some value. - Last one, a lot of people, like I said, the best there is, people are like that, and they say, - It is frustrating in the past, and I feel like, hey, that's all there is, something. The only option I have is just keep taking this job, just hold it, take a little bit better, and I slowly just push the marks. - Good for you, and for thinking about what's going on. - Yeah, I want to get people a different option, and if they can only come for a week, or a day, or whatever it is, come out and learn something, have a good day out in nature, enjoy life or day, let me teach you something, let me help something. I just feel like I'm on a mission now to spread awareness and help people, and that's, yeah. - That's good, and we're as many more people, but I think we have the same sort of thoughts at this point. A lot of people are waking up to like, give me a good perception, as you said, and feel like you've been lied to many ways you probably have. Or at least, you've been given options of what we're not taking any way, help, and not even worry. - And I don't want to just paint all physicians as a bad guy. They've worked in stone, I think, even as what I was practicing as a big student, when I finally figured this stuff out, I had no support for my administration. In fact, I ended up losing my job over this and having to fight him. Eventually, deciding, I'm going to do something that all different, it was hard, it was really hard. And still, it's still hard, so struggling. Take what I expected, I got so many years trying to do this mission. Make it so much sacrifice, and you're like, "Why didn't you find out?" - Thank you for that. - I'm not ethically happening. A lot of times it's just practicing, as a doctor, I just have to give you a picture to see there. It's just, in retrospect, it's just a real bad. And you're like, "You feel good because a lot of people want to see you." - Well, you both got a little fly by, I don't want to do that. - It seems like, sometimes, what can I do? - Not for the pressure. - Right. - Yeah, you can prescribe a medicine or a check in the world, or something like that. You can't really provide wall health care, which is, I think, a lot in savvy life in this country. So, anyway. - I'll tell you what, I appreciate you coming on, we're just fine at a time. I gotta go, I gotta go get a walk out of here. So, that's it, see how much I want to do. - I gotta go take care of myself, so I appreciate it. - Absolutely. - Share your various social media handles, if you have some sort of book falling snippets. Or your pictures you've got are really impressive before and afters. Wow, I can see where people say it's not even the same, so it's not even the same person, but it's just amazing how different. - Yeah, you can come and see my pictures, maybe before and after pictures, on my Instagram at carnivore_healing_wrench. And that's where I'm focusing all my time and effort at the moment. If you would like to see some of my photography, you can go to Instagram on best concert photos and check out some of that. But yeah, main focus is trying to get carnivore_healing_wrench. - You got it, it's well shared, so that's the one. - Stephen, thank you for it, thank you very much. Have a great rest of your evening, all which advice you've been with down there in California and keep up your work. - Thank you so much for having me. - Thank you.
