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Ep. 848. What Do We Call a Drink When There Is Flour from One of the Five Grains in the Food? (When Is It Considered Drinkable?) E.g., Farina, Oatmeal, etc.
What Do We Call a Drink When There Is Flour from One of the Five Grains in the Food? (When Is It Considered Drinkable?) E.g., Farina, Oatmeal, etc.
Welcome everybody, tune number 848, getting back to our hulkus brochus. Okay, so interesting concept, we spoke about last time, again now with simmon Raish Kess, we're in Raish Kess, we said we quoted from the Ashokhanar that namisa, when, so we know when flowers put into a food ride and it's there for a taste of sustenance, of course it becomes a personos and so on, one of the five grains, when it's made into a drink like beer, let's say beer from barley or something like that, if it's made into a drink, just because a person put in their flower, right, or one of the five grains and even though it's their sustenance and taste and everything, but if it's a drink, you drink it, right, so then it's a Shahakul, it becomes a Shahakul. So the question is, where do we draw the line, like if somebody has like the, I just, I'm going to read from the Safer out to Allah, so he brings down, for example, Ferena, right, a very popular serial called Ferena, Hamavashal, Chemah Bahmayim, or Bishar, Mashiqim, something called Ferena, that it's cooked, but you know, it's, it's not, it's not really, you know, so hard, but it's very, it could be extremely liquidy to the point that you really don't have to chew it. So the question is what I'm trying to get at is where do we, what do we call a drink and what do we call a food, where we draw the line, because if it's a food, we make Amazonas, if it's a drink, we make a Shahakul, even though it has flowers, so where do we draw the line, that's the question. Okay so the Safer out to Allah, and then I was coming again, Rei Shress, you know, your dala, he says like some Vashal, Chemah Bahmayim, or Bishar, Mashiqim, if somebody makes a, a cook something, right, and it has in it, it has in it liquids, and it has in it flour, and so on, im Hamavashal, all the if it's a thicker thing, Mavashal of, boy rei mili mizionis, now we're not, we're not talking about a food per sei, we're talking about it, it's a thicker substance whereby it can be, a person cannot drink it, you're not able to drink it. Vim hu raq, acha roi le chisei, if it's very, it's drinkable, let's put it like that, it's drinkable, Mavashal of Shahakul, over in Fashis, then you make a Shahakul, you're going to make a burn of Fashis, so for me, you drank the right amount, Fakhhena dimbo eikho dasah, so now he brings now, what's the example, Vakhhena dimbo eikho dasah, hanik ra farini, have farina is one example, he brings another example, oatmeal, mu'u riv bakhal of, it's mixed with milk, i miam, all together with water, so then, what's, what's, what do we do over there, right, where do we draw the line, so he says, im hu of, if it's thick, this oatmeal and this, um, farina, if it's thick, vina rai le chisei, right, the person cannot drink it, but for a hell of a very minimizionis, and we're going to make a very minimizionis, vim lav shahakul, if it's so watery, we're like, just drink it down, even though it might be oatmeal, even though it might be farina, so then one would make a shahakul, okay, so but where do we draw the line, the question is, how do I know, right, how do we know if it's drinkable or not, so he brings, what's the definition of drinkable, right, first of all, what's the definition the shokhana talks about, um, he brings the qatsamogadavrahm an oislamid kres on the bottom, he says, im hu mogadavrahm, dim hu of, if it's thick, if it's thick, even though the person does not have to mamish chew it, right, the parabhish don't have to chew on it, you don't have to bite it and chew it, like regular food that you bite into, vikhasa berry minimizionis is still going to be a mizonos, he brings the shokhana raav, all this, okay, fine, so then he quotes the shokhana raav, because shokhasa raavsa la shiv, roila keelah, dhainu, chamakkachas, ova kitsar, shaynaadum, bhneadum, shayna shaynaadum, legomites, in other words, it's at a point whereby it's not the regular way that a person just sorta like gulps it down, swallows it down, the gomaval of loyah, they don't gulp it down, swallow it down, like for example, when a person drinks soda, orange juice, right, or some sort of juice, you drink it, you gulp it, you drink it, you gulp, that's a, you don't chew, there's no, there's no, you don't need, if you want to call it your tongue to switch it around, anything like that, unless somebody's rinsing their mouth, whatever, but they just drink it, they gulp it down, that's a one, two, three, so he says, if somebody drinks it like that, they gulp and they drink it, so he brings the lush, again, the lushan of the shokhana raav, the lee, hitpach, the lush, and clow, in other words, the person doesn't really need their tongue, for example, if you have a thicker oatmeal or a thicker furina, a person, you can't just gulp it down, you put it in your mouth, even though you don't have to chew on it, but you still need your tongue to switch it around, sort of, right, you can't drink it down like a drink, it's not like a soda, it's not like, not like, I don't want to say water, because water gets a little more problematic, if a person's not thirsty, it's not like soda, it's not like oranges, we just gulp it down, you have to switch it around in your mouth, it's a little bit of a thicker thing, so then that's going to be a mezonos, shizu darek shiziyahi, right, so that's what he says, so that's how we end so off, again, bring the seifish al-Khanar kharah, from the shul hanar kharah, el-shid- el-shidar- el-adarkah, the hafrum, at the lush, and if it's at a point, whereby it's thick enough, you just have to, you can't just drink it down like a regular drink, you have to switch it around in with your tongue, you have to use your tongue a little bit, sort of, even though you're not actually biting into it, ashid- al-bei sable, shizu darek shiziyahi, this is still considered, darek shiziyahi, this is still considered eating, and a mezonos would be made. Ashid- al-khan, if it's liquidy enough, whereby a person just puts it in their mouth, and it's just gulp it down, swallow it down, right, like a regular drink, even though it's going to have, even though you say, well, it's oatmeal, or pharina, whatever the case is, but if it's at that level, then one would make a shahakul, okay, and of course, it goes without saying if there's pieces in it, like we spoke about last time to barley soup, whatever, and after mamish bite, you know, it's a tea, so then that goes without saying a person would have to make a mezonos for sure, okay, and actually the makhat in sif-vov, again, now, it's in marysh-he-sif-vov, where this halach is brought down, the makhaba says the word little-a-sai, and he, in parenthesis, he says, perish-litrein, aus-e-bapan, in other words, to chew on it, right, but the mishaburah says over there, sif-khat-n-khav-bei, lo-v-daf-gadaf-ilu-im-enai-ov-kolkach, even it's not so thick, even if the point is, it's not drinkable, in other words, even though the sif-khat-n-arach says that, in other words, it depends if you have to bite and chew on it, but the mishaburah says, not necessarily, as long as it's at the point, whereby it's not, whereby you could just gulp it down like a regular drink, so then a mezonos would still be made, like we said, as long as you have to sort of use your tongue and you can't swallow it down. So that's the bottom line. Thank you for listening us loch and broch and cold tube.