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Ep. 835. What Is The Correct Bracha To Make On Muffins Or Cake That Is Baked And Made Out Of Whole Grains?
What Is The Correct Bracha To Make On Muffins Or Cake That Is Baked And Made Out Of Whole Grains?
Welcome everybody, Shin number 835, getting back to Eluelo del Casparechos. Okay, we are in the middle of going through some very different serial aspect. We were going through from the star K, some very different ins and outs. We are not finished, we want to finish that off. Before we go further, this year, I just want to talk about one thing which came up. Sometimes something comes up very important before, you know, while it's, as I say, hot on the grill, you know, you want to catch it while it's hot. So, I want to just talk about that while I have the information. And that is an interesting thing. We spoke about in our sim and rage festes, there's two halachas, there's a halacha. As far as the five grains go, right, wheat, oats, belt and so on. When it's a whole grain, one makes, if somebody eats it as a whole grain, let's say a whole grain of oat, a whole grain. So, then they make a bora pre-whadama, if they eat it ground up in flour form. So, then they eat it, and it's made, let's say, into bread. So, then it's a mochi, if it's made into a, you know, snack type food, cookies, cakes or whatever. So, then it would be a miso-nose. Okay, so, where you draw the distinction, I'm not going to give it to that right now. We spoke about that in the past a little bit, but be it as a mate. I just want to talk about one thing. Somebody brought it to my attention. Yes, there's an interesting thing. Some people who make muffins or a cake, I don't know, so much cookies, but muffins are cake, possibly, out of whole oats. It's whole oats mixed with sometimes honey or milk or juices or whatever they're cases, but the main ingredient, and when you look at the cake or you look at the muffin, it's mamish whole recognizable whole oats. Or could be made with pieces of spelled or wheat, but usually it's oats, like something like a granola bar type thing, you have mamish the whole oats. So, the question comes up, what brocha does one make and what would be the after brocha, because it's sort of like in the middle. It's baked, right, it's baked, even though the oats over there are still recognizable. If, again, if somebody's making it this type of a thing. So, there's two things. If they make the cake or the muffins and the oats is ground up flour, so, of course, you would make a miso-nose. There's no question about that. But if it's whole, mamish whole grains, it's a hard dumna, but over here it's a little bit in the middle to the fact that if it's either cooked or baked, it so often's up and it becomes very a little bit on the mushy side, but sort of like mushy, but it's still a whole grain. In other words, if you look at this muffin, you look at this cake, you mamish see whole grains as opposed to four, but they're mushy. As opposed to like a granola bar where they might be hard, let's say you'll see whole grains in a granola bar, but they're regular hard grains. They might have been toasted a little bit of whatever the case is. But when it's cooked or baked, so sometimes it becomes like a very mushy type of a thing, like a cake form, but you're still seeing the actual grains over there. The actual whole oats, and the question is, "What broccoli do I make? Do I make a miso-nose, like the flour? Or do I make a ha-da-ma, like the regular, if I eat the regular whole grain? Where does it fall into the play? Where does it fall under what category does it fall?" So it's just a little bit complicated due to the fact that Mishabur in a couple of places, he says in our simmon, which is Raish Kess. These two halochas, one part of it is found in a sift bays, and one pound is found in sift dalad. So in sift bays, he talks about whereby it's ground up flour. Fine. So we understand, so that's suburban in Amazonas, or ha-mozia, whatever the case is. But when it's in the middle, so he brings daladadam, and sift cuttin daladadam, and sadadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadam, and daladadadam, and daladadadam, and daladadadam. Let's say you cooked, you made a dish, or you cooked these whole grains. So Mishabur says that they became sort of like attached together. The problem is also, he talks about that they became sift daladam. They became like crushed. Whereby, he gives an example of daisa, he says like cereals, different type of cereals. And not so much our cereals that we have today, but in those days, the cereals make great, and they had these whole, let's say the whole oats, for example, the whole grains. So make great cheshenes. So what is this daisa, the cereal? Whereby one would actually make a bureminé misonos. So the Mishabur, the shulchanar of seth, and this cereal, you would make a bureminé misonos. Again, I'm not getting into any specific cereals. I'm just giving you an example. But the lotion over there, he says, micration is cheshenes mic, when it's sort of like crushed. And it's like squashed up, crushed up. Then the stomach, and it's like attached together, your face. It becomes like a mush type of a thing. But the question is where do we draw the line? Then in another place, the sharussian actually brings down, again, the semirage chesh, sharussian ois yotres. If cotton yotres diem, this macho, the mixer, he says, if these grains, again, we're talking about grains from the five, full grains from the five, I'm sorry, the right, the whole grains from the five grains that we always talk about, the wheat, right, oats, spelled barley, and so on. But the mice we're talking about, a little bit more on the oats side, that people make these muffins of cake from the whole oats. It could be from the whole spelled whole wheat also. But he says to me that the sharussian, in this macho, bemixed, as if it's a little bit crushed up, in the cooking process, for the initial rule, or even in the cooking process, for the initial rule, gherin and schlemm. And then that full grains, right, the esophic, but they've showed the maverigale vermin of zen. And it becomes the esophic. We're not sure if we're going to make a vermin of zen. It's already very pre-wadama. And he says further, he says, (speaking in foreign language) when they don't stay whole, (speaking in foreign language) then it could be that we're going to say it has a din of that they're crushed up. So, again, so just getting back to our muffins and cakes. And just one other area. I'm just going through various different places and we should be able to talk about it. Then we'll just get to the bottom line, (speaking in foreign language) and he says in sif cotton gimbal, the elu im haim schlemm. If they're whole, right, they're not crushed up, but they're not stuck together. But what do we mean by stuck together? They could be whole and stuck together. They could be crushed up and stuck together, right? That makes it into not like a mush. But he says in sif cotton gimbal, the elu im haim schlemm if they're whole, (speaking in foreign language) even though you cook them. The fact that you cook them doesn't change anything. (speaking in foreign language) If they're whole, (speaking in foreign language) even if you cook them, (speaking in foreign language) you still make it (speaking in foreign language) meaning if you cook them or bake them, it doesn't make a difference. But they stayed whole. That's the point over here. They're whole grains. (speaking in foreign language) one would make it (speaking in foreign language) Okay, so just to make a long story short, it's very hard to tell exactly like at what point does it change. It's brought down. If it's broken, it's smashed, it's squashed. If it's stuck together, but through, (speaking in foreign language) also in other words, it's crushed and swashed together. But so what I, (speaking in foreign language) is I spoke to a rub in reference to this, like how do we look at it. (speaking in foreign language) I was told that in a case like this, if it's as long as it's recognizable, it's a whole grain. You see, it's a whole grain. No, it's even though it was baked, right? Even though it's baked. In the case of a cake or a case of a muffin that was made out of these whole grains. Even though it's baked and it became very, not so much mushy, but very soft, let's say type of a thing as opposed to regular hard grains. So just the fact that it became very mushy, like a muffin type style, but as long as you still have, the whole grains are whole and they're all there and they're all recognizable. And they did not become, you know, like squashed up and, you know, like a mush type of a thing, but they're all recognizable. It's a muffin of whole grains, a cake of whole grains and so on of oats, or whatever the case might be, or spelt or wheat. So mixed with, obviously, mixed with various different ingredients. It could be milk, it could be honey, it could be whatever the case is. So we had, as it may. So I was told this were upset. It reminds me, we look at it like a granola bar. Like we mentioned last time, in reference to a rebelsky's echosaltic leprochopascan on the regular granola bar since the oats had the main thing. And they're whole oats, right? So therefore, whole rolled oats, a whole regular oats, full, full, whole grain oats. So therefore, we make the bracha of hau adama. So the mice, we say the same thing, said this rub in the conjunction with these muffins or these cakes. And the after bracha would be the lucharaburna fosheis. Again, the after bracha and whole grains, there is a malcholikus, like we mentioned a couple of times, brought down in the shulchanarach. There's a typhus that the shulchanarach brings down that says it's not so simple what the after bracha is. And therefore, once you eat it only during the course of a meal, when they're washing and benching and so on. But Michigan does say that medina, according to the letter of the law, if you want to call it a buringa fosheis, as long as one eight echosias of these grains, right, in the whether it's the granola bar, or whether it's -- I'm sorry, as long as one eight echosias have the whole muffin, actually, because then you could include everything if it's a bit. It's going to be a buringa fosheis. So, medina l'amis, the bottom line is -- the maker didn't set the mishebura. A buringa fosheis would be fine. So, in this case, as long as you ate echosias of the entire thing, whether it's the cake, whether it's the muffin, whether it's whatever the case is. So, then it will be all good. But I do want to mention -- there will be -- so, bottom line is will be ahoadama. In the case we were talking about the whole grains, and the muffin's cakes will be ahoadama and a buringa fosheis at the end. I just do want to mention if there was flour put into it regular flour, then, even though it might have been mixed with the grains, then we're going to say that it's a -- and the flour was put there for taste. Flowers put there for taste of sustenance or sustenance, so then we're going to make aha mitzi. And the afterbrocha would be, you know, depending on how much a person ate, it could be either alhamdulill or verna fosheis. But if the flour, the wheat flour or oat flour, or whatever it is, was put there just to keep the grains together, just, you know, for the debook, for the connection, keeping the whole thing together, so then the flour would be bottled, and it would account to still be ahoadama. So that's the bottom line in these things. In general, like we said, it's ahoadama and buringa fosheis, unless you have flour there for a taste flour from one of the five grains, that's the taste of sustenance, then the brocha would change to mitzi. But otherwise we make ahaadama and they're going to fosheis. Thank you for listening, I'm welcome, bro, for cold tools.