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Ep. 832. What Is the Halacha if the Oat Flour or Wheat Flour Is Not the Main Ingredient? Cereal Made from Rice Flour. Cereal from Processed Rice (e.g., Kellogg's Rice Krispies and Post Fruity Pebbles).
What Is the Halacha if the Oat Flour or Wheat Flour Is Not the Main Ingredient? Cereal Made from Rice Flour. Cereal from Processed Rice (e.g., Kellogg's Rice Krispies and Post Fruity Pebbles).
Welcome everybody to Shenandoah 832, getting back to our Hilchaz-Brahas. Okay, I want to go ahead and just go through an interesting the halochaz of cereal, which we've been talking about, so I want to sort of like package it up and sum it up, and that is the from the star K. They have a whole write-up from a the one, I think he's one of the ones in many people in charge in reference to the cereal part of it and the experts in the cereal area in reference to the cash risk, and so on, and the brachas, and how it's made, and so on, and that is Rabbi David Hever. He wrote up a whole thing in reference to the various different issues that come up, and the various different things to look out for, and so on. It was written a few years ago, so I'm not, I don't want to really put it out yet, in other words, on the groups, and so on, as far as the link. If anybody would like the link, I could send it to them, but the reason why I want to just discuss it outside a little bit before we get to actually putting it up on the group, where people could, would like to link on themselves and see what exactly it wrote. It's a little bit complicated. On there is also the most updated cereal lists, so one could get the most updated cereal lists, from I guess from the last couple of years, over there also, but before we get to that, I just want to go through some of the various different points that he goes through, in that sort of report on cereals that he wrote, and like this explaining it, therefore, that, in conjunction with that, when anybody links on, we'll put out the link, linear divisional session, anybody links on, they'll be able to understand a little bit better what he's talking about, and have a better idea, and then going from there, and through that, actually, we could, will be able to review, and some of the various different, very important halojas, in reference to, you know, Mezonos Alhamdulillah, and some of the various different halojas, which we were learning in the past. Okay, so the first thing that he brings down, he brings down a lot of things, but just, you know, highlights some of the items. He brings that interesting thing, in reference to some of the cereals, it, when the cereal has the first ingredient, as we know, usually the first ingredient is the more prevalent ingredient in the item, let's say, so the wheat, let's say in reference to wheat flour, right, you have the wheat flour, oat flour, whatever the case is, so when it's the first ingredient, it's a better chance that that is the main ingredient, and that's what most of the cereal is, to an extent, but he brings down over there that sometimes, you have two ways, we have two, as we know by now, of course, we have two ways of looking at flour, you could put flour into food, number one, for taste and sustenance, in which case it becomes a miszoh-nose, right, or you could put it in for just, you know, keeping it together, sturdiness, looks, or whatever, something like that, in which case, it would be bottle, it would be, you know, secondary to the other food, and then the brachwa would be a shahakul, or whatever the other ingredient is, so he brings down over there, interestingly enough, he brings down that sometimes many cereals you'll see, that the oat flour, or the, or the wheat flour, whatever, this is not the first ingredient, sometimes you might have corn flour, which is the first ingredient, and the oat flour, or the oat flour, a wheat flour, you know, the flour that was put in from the five grains is the second or possibly the third ingredient, so he brings down over there that there's no real way of knowing if the flour was put there for sustenance and taste, in which case will be a miszoh-nose, or it was actually put there for, you know, for the mechanics of the food, okay, so he says, in a case like that, one should definitely, definitely call the, we'll get in touch with the cashless agency of that cereal to find out what, you know, why, in other words, it's not the first ingredient, but the flour was put there lidabe to keep it together, for looks, mechanics of the food, there was a put there for taste, sustenance, in which case will be in the zonos, if it was put there for the mechanics of the food, right, lidabe to keep it together, and so on, give it sturdiness, so then it would be a shahakul, if there's, if the main ingredient would be the cornflour, so he said there's no, he says there's no way of really finding out, and one would have to, you know, just by looking at it per se, one would really have to call the cashless agency and find out what the braparak is, so then he just continues on over there, and he says, if somebody talk of canned, then you see that the wheat flour, or the oat flour is like the second or third ingredient, and it's possibly cornflour, the first one, meaning that the other, the flour from the five grains, the oat flour, or wheat flour, is sort of like secondary, and it's a good chance that it was put there for lidabe again, when we say lidabe, we mean put a mechanics of the food, not for taste sustenance, and he says, so in that case, if somebody just flat out, I have to eat the cereal, and I can't, I can't get to the cashless agency somehow, and I'm sort of like stuck over here, what do I do, and you see that the wheat flour, or oat flour is like the second or third ingredient down the line, and you have cornflour is number one, and there are ingredients in front of that, in front of the wheat flour, or oat flour, so then he says to make a shahakul and a barunafasho, so assuming that the person, Etta Kazai, is again under a four-minute period, to make a barunafashos, and make a shahakul in the beginning, so that's one important point, he brings down, okay next item he brings down in reference to one is to be careful, many cereals is made from rice, especially rice flour, rice flour, and we've spoken about in the past, we had a share on it, is misonos, and it's not, you know, the person should have mixed it up, it's not a shahakul, it's not like cornflour, it's not the regular flour like wheat and oats, um, you know, a spelt whereby it's misonos, I'm sorry, where by Alhamméry has to be made, but rice flour is sort of like in the middle, it's a misonos, just like wheat flour and oat flour and spelt flour, the rice flour is misonos, but the Etta brocha, if one ate a Kazai's birthday, I was proud, so under a four-minute period of cereal made of rice flour, and it was enough rice flour, then they would have to make a barunafashos, there's never a Alhammérya on regular and on cereals or anything made from rice flour, so that's important thing to keep in mind, if they see the ingredients are rice flour, and that's the main ingredient, and that's the majority, it also has to be the majority, then it will be a misonos, it's also processed rice for cereals, it brings that just to give some examples, again, it depends how all these things are made, so that's another, obviously, like we keep on saying, you have to find out exactly, but it just brings down two examples, as far as the processed rice, which would classify as, I guess, cooked rice, and being a misonos, it brings on Kellogg's Rice Crispies, again, it does rub paper in the Star K report, the Kellogg's Rice Crispies will be misonos, and also the fruity pebbles would also be misonos, due to the fact that it's not rice flour really, but, again, I'm not so familiar exactly, but just by what he's saying, it's a, I'm sorry, it's misonos, the first brotha, and a baronofuschos would be the after brotha, again, Kellogg's Rice Crispies, and post fruity pebbles, again, that's how he brings it down, misonos first brotha, and the baronofuschos after brotha, due to the fact because it's the rice's process, and it would take on a halocha of, basically, cooked rice to an extent, or if something is made from rice flour, again, the same thing, and the majority is rice flour, one would have to make, also, misonos and a baronofuschos, as long as they eat enough in the right amount of time. Okay, I'll continue next time, thank you for joining us, welcome brotha,