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Ep. 829. What Is the Halacha if One Is Eating a Pie (e.g., Apple Pie, Cherry Pie) and They Would Like to Eat Only the Inside (e.g., the Apples)?
What Is the Halacha if One Is Eating a Pie (e.g., Apple Pie, Cherry Pie) and They Would Like to Eat Only the Inside (e.g., the Apples)?
Welcome everybody to shed number 829, getting back to our hlokas brachos. Okay, I just want to talk about a quick thing which I was trying to work on. I finally found the brachos shem. I heard it from others, I just wanted to see it inside for myself. And that is in reference to if somebody is eating like a pie, right, eating like a pie. Cherry pie, apple pie, these type of things, or potato can issue, these type of things. So, the question comes up, first of all you have to make a mazzona. So the outside is flour, right, we've discussed in the past. The outside is flour, and you know, the regular wheat flour or a spelt, whatever, one out of five grains, fine. So you have to make a mazzonos, let's say by an apple pie, right, you're eating it together, you make a mazzonos. Cherry pie, you're making a mazzonos, the outside is mazzonos, it's baked together. And so on, and we said the reason is because it's made together, baked together and so on, like a knish, apple pie, cherry pie now. But the question comes up, what I was trying to figure out, what do we do with the inside? In other words, good, I make a mazzonos, I eat a pie, I eat a pie, I eat a pie, I eat an outside together with the inside. Apple pie, I eat the outside crust together with the apples inside, I eat it all together, it's always going to be a mazzonos. As far as the first brach, I'm not talking right now about the after brach, but the question is, what do I do with the inside? I'd like to eat the inside, could I eat the inside? Is there a problem with eating the inside? So, the thing that I was trying to figure out a lot, all the plays can be a look at, the kaffachai, michibura. The arachashulchan, he doesn't really say it straight up, but he mentions that also, shulchan aracharav, and then the arachashulchan quotes them, but they all say very interesting that if you take out the inside, let's say apple pie, and I want to take out the apples from inside, and I want to eat the apples, but only the apples, you're not going to eat the outside. Also, then we say, you have to make a brach on the apples, you have to make a bird pre-eight separately, but that's only if you're not going to eat the inside. Okay, that's the point over here. That's only if I'm not going to eat the outside. In other words, I want only the apples inside, or I have a potato finish. I want only the potatoes inside, so I'll make a bird pre-a-dama. So, if I eat it together, it's a misonus, fine, I understand that. But now I want only the potatoes inside, I make a bird pre-a-dama. I want only the apples inside my apple pie, so I'm going to make a bird pre-a-eight. You won't make a misonus because you're not eating a misonus, but all those playskamashas mention the kaffachai, michibura. You all say, that's when you're not eating at all, you're not eating the crust at all. But the question I had was, what about if good, I'll eat, I want to eat it together, I'll eat it together, but I want to take a little bit of apples also separately. I like it together, meaning it together, my apple pie I'm eating together, the crust and the filling inside together. And I'll take a little bit here and there, an apple or two inside, eat it separately. Oh, so that's already running into a major problem, so the deershu actually brings down, the deershu brings down in conjunction. It's all found, by the way, in Simon & Cofráfres. Cofráf Simon Cofráf Simon Cofráf, just a quote where it is, there's a michibura in sifkotten-cofzain, michibura in sifkotten-cofzain in simen-cofzain, so he says, just to read his lotion. So he says, "Ach im Ángl-ho-easey", not eating the outside crust, veracapéris, only the apples inside, let's say, eating only the inside, right? In the case of apple pie, we'll be the apples, the cherry pie, we'll be the cherries, conicia, we'll be the potatoes inside, whatever the case is. But Ángl-ho-easey, veracapéris, let's say, these type of pies, I'm eating from the inside, I mean the cherries inside, I'm eating the apples inside, I'm eating the plum pie, I'm eating the plums inside, cher-be-fen-im. He says, "Levad," that's the point. "V'ach" in the "Ocholomistavrakha perishebethnim Levad." They all bring down this word "Levad," or some use a different motion, but only that's all I'm eating. "V'varachha brochha shaiha la peris," that's all I'm eating is the brochha that shaiha is to the peris. Whatever the inside is, if it's apples, you're making a bar of Priya 8, that's all you're going to make. But the point is, they're eating the inside v'varachha perishebethnim Levad. You know, the deresher brings down an ice number 23, very interesting. He says, that was the question, I was wondering, like, "Good, I'll eat it together, but here and there I'll take an apple." Now, he says, "You can't do that. You can't do that." "Ach imbedaite lejo." If your das is to eat, gan es me name isonus, right? If you have a mind, says the deresher again, an ice 23, very important point. If you have a mind to eat also the mezonos, right, I'm eating the whole pie. But here and there, I want to take a little bit of the inside, also separately, separately. "Oh, now you've got a problem." "Ach imbedaite lejo gan es me name isonus." Right? So he brings down, he says, "Cós of lejo." "Sha ossala haphrid." You're not allowed to take it out of a lejo, that's a perisperenifra. You can't take out the fruit separately. You're running into a problem. "Misham brochashe" and it's really good, because now you're going to be, you're going to have to make another broch of what it creates. And you already made the mezonus, which covers everything. "A mezonus haemu ikar," the mezonos is the ikova perisperenifra, it's the phalaem. And the peris are toffle, are secondary to the mezonus. And you're ready, your mezonus already covered the fruits inside. So you take it out, it's running into a problem, to eat it separately. So lejoery would have to make another broch on something else. In other words, to take, let's say I can't take in a cashew. I take a different fruit or something like that and make a broch on a different fruit. And I could have a mind, the inside of the apple pie, right? You can't pull out the apples from the apple pie, eating it separately and making a broch on that, that's running into a problem. Okay, so the michiburataka says, "Sif cotton memgimul," that if you have this type of a, he talks about something else, but the bottom line is over here. It's talking about the vafilo, heimimulim the perisperenifra. You have a type of a dough outside, right? The bottom line is, it doesn't matter pie, whatever, but the outside is a dough, right? Then you're eating the whole thing outside is a dough, but the vafilo heimimulim the perisperenifra. It's again, sif cotton memgimulim the michiburat in simmincrof samrhas. I feel the heimimulim the perisperenifra. I say, "Sif cotton memgimulim the perisperenifra." Like an apple, strudel or whatever the case is, these type of things. And the outside is dough and the inside is apples. The apple, strudel, apple, cake, apple, whatever it is inside, ha-daima. A perisperenifra says, "The michiburat peris nasa tafshul." A peris nasa tafshul, "Poechamamul yusava kimra ikur." And the kimra, the other way outside is the ikurva perisperenifra. And the peris that are inside, the fruits that are inside, the apples, strudel, or whatever it is inside. Both the legabai, is a good bottle to that. The inla ha-kmeri kimpim mahmir valikak katsas tafshul and take out some of the apple. Mitai kamul ikurva peris wait. It's all, it's all one. It's all ha-daima, brok-la-vatala. And you're going to do that. You're running into a brok-la-vatala. You start eating seperly the apples. You're eating it together. But I'll take out an apple and I'll start manging a brok-la. What do you do over there with the apple? Right, seperly. You really eat it together, dave brok-la-vatala if you're going to pull it out. Oh, so you want to pull out in from the inside? Look, it's mashmauver here to make a brok-la on something else. Right, you take it. You want to start eating seperly? I'm eating it all together. But here and there, I want to take out an apple also. That's already running into problem. You can not, and you cannot make a brok-la-vatala. It's on those apples. Right, because it's, it's already, the brok-la-mas-la-vatala is already covered. Inla ha-kmeri katsas tafshul. Mitai kamul ikurva peris wait. You can't do that, but ha-kmeri brok-la-vatala. So, lehui ri, you just, you would have to make it. If you want to start eating, you know, chunks of apples from inside, the apple pie seperly, you would have to make a burpry eights on something else. It's, it becomes a pram. It becomes a pram. You know, here, I want to start eating apples seperly. But it was already covered by the mazonas, by the column of mazonas on a pie. Something baked together. And these apples of bottle are, are, are subordinate to the, are, you know, become bottle, are, are toful to the outside dough. So, de brok-la is already covered. But ayah want to start eating separate apples. It becomes a pram. It's a brok-la-vatala. So, what, what, to make a separate dough eights. So, what you have to do is, lehui ri, to take just something else. You take a cashew, you take a orange. You take another fruit whereby you make a burpry eights and you have in mind those apples. And then you could eat those apples. But you can't make a brok-la-seperly and those apples because the mazonas already covered it. And that's what the Dushu says. It's 23, that it, it, it, it's 23. You want to eat the mazonas. Now, there's, if you're taking out only the fruits, right? I have an apple pie. I'm throwing out the crust. I'm not eating it. I'm just eating the apples. Fine. And then you make a burpry eights and that's it. You're not eating the crust anyway. So, who cares? But ayah in the day to lehui, gammas as, as meat and mazonas. But you want to eat it together. But here and there you pull out apples. She also, he says, she also lehafrid. Again, at least 23, she in conjunction with that michibura. She also lehafrid, the leh-la-seperly. You can't pull it out and eat it separately. She also lehafrid, leh-la-seperly. You should brok-la-seperly. Because you're running in, it's a brok-la-seperly. What are you going to do? You have to make a burpry eights. You can't. You're ready, confident. She has mazonas. Hey, my apron. I've got paris to fail in my lame. And the mazonas is the main thing. And the paris are, are bottled to that. So, one has to be careful. Again, just to, it's a chaserova. You're eating these type of pie, cherries, pie, apple pie, wherever the case is. And you want to, if you eat, it's a brok-la-seperly. It's a mazonas finish. But you want to, you want to eat only the inside. Fine. You could do that, make a burpry eights. But then you can't eat the outside. Because that's a mazonas. I'm just eating the inside. So, then you make a burpry eights. But if you want to eat them both together. And here and there, you're going to stop pulling out apples and pull out the inside from your pie. Right? That you can do. That's running into a problem. Because of what you do with the brok-la on the apples, it was already covered with the original mazonas. So, then, look, that's what you want to do. Just make sure you make a burpry eights on something else. Like a cashew, like we said, of some plum or some other type of fruit. You could have not mind the apples over there. So, then, that's fine. You made a brok-la on a different fruit. So, no big deal. It's no brok-la-la-tala. But otherwise, you're running into a major problem. A brok-la-seperly. Thank you for listening. That's a brok-la-tala.