Did smash burgers take over Nashville hot chicken? It's like kind of like the new everywhere. Like the food trend thing. It just changes every couple of years. And then like we'll get one here like five years after the trend like we're getting a smash burger. Yeah, but that's the thing is smash burger. The chain existed for a long time. And now there's like burger she wrote, just like little mom and pop restaurants where they make smash burgers with pun names and what what? Let's get burgered. I don't know. Burger mania runs wild on you. You know what really makes us mad is wasting money on CDs with only one or two good songs. What's up, posers? Welcome to Punk Lotto Pod. I'm your co-host Justin Hensley. I'm your other co-host, Dylan Hensley. And this is the show we choose when you're at random and select one punk hardcore emo or punk adjacent album from that year to discuss. Today we are talking about an album from the year 2006. And if you head on over to our Patreon, you could check out our newest bonus audio where we did a bracketology on the albums of 2006. And this was the second time we have covered 2006 in a bracketology and no repeats. That was the plan. I was the idea behind this series is we can come back to these years multiple times and not have any repeats. So we did a pretty good job of that. No repeats there. So there is some records on that. I'm like, we've talked about that before, but we get into it. You can also check out the new series I started. Yes, I started another series as if I don't have enough to do, but I started a series called the Metal Core Chronicles, which is where I am chronologically going through the history of Metal Core. So the very first episode is kind of serving as a prelude to what's to come because I looked for anything Metal Core on writeyourmusic.com for the entire 80s. And there were like 10 things total and most of them demos. So it's like an integrity demo, a Rorschach demo, a raid demo, and then a couple other like random like 7-inch EPs that I got to talk about. But very interesting to see what the roots of Metal Core are because, you know, crossover thrash existed, which is metal and hardcore mixed together, but more metal than hardcore. So it's a little distinct difference, but very looking forward to the series. I originally started the series because I wanted to do something about the Metal Core era that I got into, but then I was like, now let's do it. If we're going to do it, we're going to do it all the way back. So I went back as far as I could to find the earliest Metal Core stuff. And it'll take a while to get to that really funny stuff that I like to giggle at when I listen to Metal Core. The way you said that, there was just enough of a halt in your phrasing. So it sounded like I wanted to do something about Metal Core. Well, it's probably 20 years late. It must be stopped. Time machine. Look, you can't all do at the gates riffs. You've got to do something different. It's the baby Hitler of bad Metal Core that you have to go back and stop. You have to stop slaughter the soul from being released. Or at least the first copycat ban. I will find out who that is eventually, but I don't know who it is off top of my head. It's probably Azaleid dying's fault that it got big though, because they were like the biggest one doing it. But yeah, I got a little bit of feedback on it so far and it's been positive. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Now, this doesn't mean any other series are going to stop. I will still do challengeography. Yesterday I was making notes on my Joan Jett series before I went and recorded my Metal Core series. So a lot of, what's the turn of phrase? Something in the fire, pans in the fire, is that it? I earned in the fire. I don't know why I was like, is it cast iron skillets in the fire? Is that how it goes? I got too many eggs in the pan. No, hopefully it's not a too many cook situation. But yeah, I had to record it because it was stuck in my head and I was like, I got to do something about this or else I'll never be satisfied with the other series. So it's one of those things where it's like, I have to just go ahead and get it out there so it's out there. So now I feel much more comfortable to move on with the Joan Jett series. So that series is not dead. I am working on it still. So it's just hard when you work 40 hours a week to do solo material, kind of do miss working three 12 hour shifts in three days and then having four days off a week. Those three days sucked ass. They were horrible and I was so tired, but I still had four days off. A lot of free time. But all that's patreon.com/punklotopod. One dollar gets you all of our bonus audio. Lots of content out there. A lot many, many, many, many hundreds of hours of content out there. So check it out. You can also sign up for the $10 tier where you get to choose what album we devote an entire episode to. So check that out as well. We got a couple of those we'll be doing in the next month or so. We'll figure that out. But onto the shoe. It is the year 2006 that we're looking at. We did not get it a time machine and go back to the Bush administration. Remember when then we thought that was the worst it could be it? It was very bad. It was. It was. The recession hadn't even happened yet though. Yes. 2006. Where were we? I was in college still at this time. I would have been. It would have been my starting my second year in '06. Yeah. The year where it all went bad. Where I could never recover. Like that that fall semester in '06 was so bad that even though I had like mostly like A's and B's in my spring semester, it still wasn't enough to bring up my GPA. Yeah. It was that bad. Yeah. Because I didn't go to class. Like that was stopped going to class. Yeah. Drunk on freedom is what that was and not alcohol. Like I didn't even drink a straight edge. So yeah. At a dry college. Straight edge at a dry college and I still was like, I'm not going to class. I'm not doing my homework. I'm just hanging out. It's what I did. Just hung out. Oh man. Bad at school at that age. Listen to this. Don't homeschool your children. I don't think it's a good idea. Or if you do, make them do work. Yeah. Great. Make them do work over again. Oh, this is bad. And you just like just let you keep going and doing it wrong for a long time. They'll get it dimensionally. No. I don't. I still can't do math now. You were what? You still had a couple more years for you graduated, right? I was 16. I was playing football. Yeah. In our homeschool private school league. Yeah. Oh man. Not to diverge already. But I looked them up recently. Our team doesn't exist anymore. That's that's funny. I'm surprised the league still exists. It still exists. And it's a it's more teams. It's more teams than we were there. I think none of them have the same names though. Every team has a different name now. And there's like other new teams. So they kept going weirdly. But anyway, I 2006 started my first band joined my first band. Yeah, it was 2006. Exocor. Exocor. Soon to be renamed all the living. Eventually to be renamed Apophis. Yeah. Which made more sense for where they were going, but was also like, there's already an Apophis. Yeah, there were. Why did you do this? And then that just didn't go anywhere, which naturally. Yeah, by the time I was out of that. No, every member of that band had changed over at one point. Yeah. No, I guess Keegan was still in it, but he switched to drums. That's what it was. He was the guitar player and then switched to drums. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Wasn't a lot going on in my life. Yeah, you know, the aforementioned homeschooling. Yes, it did not have. But you know, it's not that that's the funny thing is like the the typical homeschooler problem of like, oh, they won't socialize, they're going to be weird. And we're weird, but I don't think we're weird entirely because we're homeschool. I think we're weird because our parents were weird. Yeah. Just genetically predisposed to being weird. Was we had friends? Yeah, we did. We still have friends. We kept that part up fine. Yeah, we still have the friends that we had then mostly, I guess, mostly. We at least have like, yeah, a substantial, I mean, yeah, your friends that you hang out with regularly are people that I was hanging out with. Yeah, you know, in 2008 too. So I went to the drummer of my first band's wedding last year, you know, like, yeah, yeah. So mostly just spending a lot of time on message boards and my space and hanging out at our weird neighbor's house and football practice and practice. Yeah, that was my life. bustling social life. Yeah, I did, Seth. Yeah. Well, 2006, musically interesting year. So I was going through because it's my turn to pick this week's album. I know it. I don't think I said that. And I was going through 2006 and I was like, Hmm, I don't know if this year is great. I certainly listened to a lot of music from 2006 when, you know, back then when it was happening and then like gone back to stuff from that time period. But I feel like our six is not the year where it's like all the best stuff came out that year. Yeah, I looked at 2006 last year because that's one of my repeat calendar years recently, and say it was last year. And I struggled with it. But I tend to kind of struggle with any of the years past 2000 whenever I've done this because I'm like, I know what this is. I have, I have stronger feelings about what a lot of it is. So I don't want to listen to it. There was stuff that I definitely tried though. There was like, okay, let me listen to that. I didn't listen to that then. I'm more interested in hearing it now. I didn't come away loving anything new. Yeah, going through and looking at the stuff that I was considering, which we'll get to in a second, I was like, everything I picked with the exception of one or two were nostalgic picks for me. It's like something that I either heard back then or around that time period within like two or three years. And so there wasn't a lot that I was going through that I wasn't already familiar with that I wanted to try and get into. So yeah, 06, very interesting year. I think it's one of those cases of like, there's weird years where like some years are like a ton of stuff that's like, ooh, I want to talk about that. Ooh, I want to talk about that. And then there's other years where you're just like, nah, I know what all this is. I don't know what I'm going to say about a lot of this. We have previously covered back in episode 238, which was last year, dashboard, confessionals, dusk and summer. That was part of our theme season ideas that we were doing. We did for a couple weeks. Didn't hate those ideas, but it kind of forces you to choose something maybe different than you normally would have. Then back in episode 182, we did none more blacks. This is satire. And that was a Patreon sponsored episode. Episode 139, we did Hawthorne Heights. If only you were lonely, we did that with arms like roses still active. One of the one of the guests that we've had on that's still keeping at it. Episode 119, we did angels and airwaves. We don't need to whisper. We did that one with Molly from Generation GC, which I quote, or I guessed it on, which I want to say. I wonder if she's if that series is wrapped up yet. That was that's a series with an endpoint. I don't remember if she's finished it off or not. But and then way, way, way, way back at episode number two, we did Run Kid Run. This is who we are. And for the mathematics, we impended our old album and EP format in the show. Remind me of outfield. I completely forgot about that. Does it now? Okay, outfield? So it's looking at this year, like what we've covered already for most six. It's not really in of any of our stuff. Not really. Random format, guest choice, guest choice, patron choice. A good patron choice. Theme choice. Yeah, that's probably my favorite thing that we've done from 06 previously is that no more black record. I don't really have many feelings about any of the other ones. Like, I don't think highly or negatively of any of them. They're just kind of like, yep, we did those. Well, Run Kid Run was bad. Yeah. Former Sidewalks lamb, is that who they were before? Oh, yeah. They went from being like a green day knockoff band to like, I don't know what they were trying to be, a glossy pop punk band. But so 06, I was going through and I was like, no, I want there's a couple things that I want to talk about. So a few of the things that I considered discussing, I initially pulled Orchestra of Wolves by gallows, not because I have any feelings towards the band gallows. But I was like, that was the kind of like flesh in the pan, like a very brief moment in time, where that band was like very hyped. Yeah. I don't, that's one of those forgotten hype bands. Because it was, they were everywhere. It was, it was a big deal. And I guess they're probably, yeah, it's UK audiences. That's, that's a big band. Yeah. But it was a big deal here, the way they were getting pushed and it didn't catch on. Well, that record was really hyped here. I do remember that. It was definitely talked about a lot. But I also don't know anyone who really was into it either. So I guess you're right about it, not really catching on. It was more of a, they're talked about it on the magazines and they're on the websites and they're in guitar hero. Yeah. That's how big they were. They're in guitar hero back before it back when that actually meant something before it became just like everything's DLC is the problem that they followed it up with a record that nobody gave us shit about three years later as well. That might have been the problem. Probably didn't help. And then the lead singer quit the band, but he's still doing it. Like, what are the Frank Carter and the rattlesnakes? Is that what they're called or something like that? They are still active. I think they're playing like riot or something like that. So never heard a single one of his records, but he's got five of them. So when this year, 2024, wow. But yeah, I thought it would just be interesting to look at that and see like, was the hype earned? Were we mistaken? Were we right? I think history, maybe, maybe right to let them go. I don't know they were that great. I did also consider songs from under the sink by mischief brew. Probably one of the best folkpunk groups, artists out there. And ultimately I was, it came down to the circus really good. But also, what am I really going to say about a folkpunk record? That would be a good one to do, though, on the show. It's one that I would consider coming back to 2006. It's definitely pretty high on the list of records that I would want to talk about. It would probably require trying to scour some internet archives to get info because it's just from that era of like, you can't find shit from. Yeah, the blog era, yeah. Maybe try and get like, find, I don't even know where you would find like old maximum rock and roll issues. I don't know. Do you raise your cake? Was that a thing? Yeah, I think I was six. Yeah. Yeah, certainly one of the best records of that genre. It would be probably more of just a, if we talked about a mischief brew record, we'd wind up just doing the whole career, just because I feel like there would be a, not much that we could pull specifically about that album. I was very much considering the misery index notes from the plague years by Boyset's fire. And this was the break up record. Like, this was the album that came out and they like put in the liner notes of, we're breaking up now. So I was like, it was known that this was going to be the end. And they wound up coming back later, of course. But it sounds like a breakup record. It sounds like a band being like, well, let's try every idea we've ever had and see if it works for this record. Because it's, it's a really interesting album. I think it actually, it's probably the one I was second closest on choosing because I do feel like there's a lot to talk about in this record specifically because of how weird it is and everything that they chose to do on this record. Like, they have like, not a Scott song, but a song with horns in it, which is very outside of Boyset's fire's typical moves. But I think Boyset's fire band, I feel like you could come back to and do multiple records from because everything kind of represents a different period in their, but in their history too. My fair is like the original hardcore stuff. There's the major label wind up records era stuff. There's this weird record. And then there's the comeback stuff too. So like, they're a band that I feel like you could, you could talk about a lot. So I was really, really into the idea of talking about them. And then a couple more that I didn't really think about too hard. The Fears What Keeps Is Here by Zayo. That's the Steve Albani record. End of a year sincerely. That was the second end of a year full length before they did the switch to self defense family. They did do one more under interview, which is like their most revelation rev summer sounding band album. And then a Spitfire's self help, which is just a really good math record. So those are what I was considering. If it was your turn to choose from 2006, what do you think you would select? I don't know. It's not a year that I, like I said, I didn't find a lot that I wanted to like keep coming back to when I tried to deep dive on it. So I don't know. I don't know what direction I would want to go. What I want to go in a soldier or what I want to pick something that is less familiar to me. I mean, honestly, weirdly enough, I'd almost consider something like Samstown by The Killers, just because it's like a really big record that I've heard a bunch because my wife really likes it. And like, I think it's a decent record. And it would be like kind of a weird, really adjacent to punk record to talk about. I don't know though. It's like, the nostalgic pics are not even that appealing to me. Like, it could be a really big gamble, but it could be kind of funny to do like the always open mouth by a fear before the March flames and be like, I really liked this thing. Why? Because I have not heard it in over 15 years. There were a couple that I was just like, hmm, that could be funny to do, like protest the heroes kesia or as daylight dies by kill switching gauge or something like that. Even December Underground by AFI could have been interesting to look at. And see, that's a record that I listened to last year that I was just like, I'm not into this. I've heard other stuff by them around this time period that is fine. And I like stuff from before this record, but I don't like this record overall. I mean, yeah, we could do something like dumb as shit to laugh out like a Trey Ew. But there's so much of that stuff in this time period. It's almost like, how, how do you choose? What's the worst thing I could talk about? Then we're in a like birthday spanking territory. I mean, I guess there's kind of interesting stuff like that hop along record. Yeah, that's pretty rough record. Yeah, even that newvel vague record, the like Bossa Nova cover band, what they were, that was like a weird like quirk record, just a little like novelty album, where you're just like, oh, weird. We're doing like Bossa Nova versions of Bela Lagosi's dead and like, loungy version of human fly, you know. Yeah, if this were a birthday spanking, there's a coper starship record. That could be pretty awful. Yeah, that would be, that would be awful. It's interesting. There's a lot of records from a lot of well-known names from this year that have like, there'd be something to talk about, but I just didn't really have like a super driving urge to be like, let's talk about, I don't know, half-heart, the things we carry. That should probably be a good one to do. Yeah. We should know with our reunion. If we were cynical on going for the numbers game on this one, I'd be like, let's do half-heart. It's huge right now. Get pylons and then give people mad at us for not really caring about half-heart. Yeah, like I'm not saying that, don't think it's good. I just don't care about it. Yeah, it's a, there's a lot there. And I feel like you could spend a long time kind of digging through everything. I find, I guess, and I don't know if this is just a 2006 issue or if it's, there's like a span of a couple years, I find a lot of this stuff very disposable. I find this period, fix my brain by the Markman. That's a great record. That's, that's one I could probably talk about. Yeah. You kind of have to just talk about the Markman in general, but I feel like that's true of any Markman record, but that might be the most, the one, I don't know, I don't know which one's the one with the Markman. I think that's the one by most people's standards, the most popular. Yeah, that'd be one of the best choices I could come up with. Or you could go, we, you know, like do the flap hack philosophy by Buzzcocks. Yeah. Just be like, this wasn't good, right? But I don't know, I guess so much of this is or feels to me now and even probably a lot of it to felt to me then as just trendy. Yeah, just kind of like of the moment type of stuff. It was very like, oh, what are we doing now? Oh, everybody do it too. Yeah. And it wasn't even like, I know there's good stuff. If you go, you know, below the surface and you get into the more underground stuff, but even then there were still like, or core was kind of a trend. And like, you know, real screamo was a little bit of a trend, you know, there was a scene that it was just like, I'm playing a sound and I'm participating in a certain group of bands. And I mean, you know, I guess that's always kind of true. But it does even, even below the surface, even in the more like earnest and sincere, like underground level, there does feel like a little bit of everybody kind of looking at what everybody else is doing. And being like, oh, okay, well, maybe if I do a little bit of that, I don't know, it doesn't, doesn't yield a lot that I really love that has had a lasting impact on me. Despite this being me being 16 years old and this being the time period where music is supposed to have an impact on you. Yeah, it did lasting lasting impact. It did. Music had an impact on us. Today's record is the one of the records that had an impact on us. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's get into it. So this week, I was assigned the year 2006 and I selected Suck out the poison by He Is Legend. [Music] I thought you knew me, but it seemed you never did. I tried to find you in the castle with you head. I took the pictures that you were in from my wall. No one remembered me. I was right after all. [Music] I am the villain to you. You are the princess to me. And I got you where I fall to let love bring you to your knee. If I can have you die, no one will. The story tells his ending. The story tells his ending. [Music] Bored out boys. He is legend from Wilmington, North Carolina. They formed in the year 2000. This was released October 3, 2006 on solid-state records. This is the band's second full-length album. The person on this record is Matt Williams on bass, Steve Bash on drums, Adam Tanboos on guitar and McKinsey Bell also on guitar as well as Skylar Crewm on vocals. This album was produced by Steve Evitz, who we discussed on the Dillinger Escape Plan episode on fireworks. He produced that record. And in 2006, he also produced albums by a static lullaby, saves the day and cash 22. So kind of a down year for him that year. That's a big step. But yeah, there's definitely a lot more I want to talk about. I do want to talk about the label at the time, but we'll get into that a little bit. That's going to be a little bit of us remembering some guys, what will happen there. So as of right now, what I guess we should go through there are personal history with the band. He is legend. It's very tied in together. We don't have separate histories with this band. Yeah, at all. I don't think. This was your band. Correct, correct. This wouldn't have been my band. A lot of the bands were your bands because you had more money. Yeah. Well, especially at this point, if you were working car wash, right? Yeah, it was six. I would have done a summer at the car wash. And then before that, I would have done in like 0405. I would have done a year at the car wash there, too. So yeah, I had expendable money. That's how we wind up with three vlogging molly albums in one week, you know. But yeah, it was definitely a well, I was tipped as well when I worked with the car wash. So that just made it even easier to be like, well, I got 20 bucks right now. Let's go see what's on sale. Best buy. Yeah, let's go to a media play. Yeah, I miss media play. Yeah, they were my band, but we both listened to them. And we have, we have the same starting point with them. So what year would that have been? Would that have been 004? It feels like either 004, probably 004. We went and saw Demon Hunter playing Greensboro and then the opening bands on that were Haste the Day sanctity, who were like a thrash band from Atlanta, and then the band Dead Poetic. And we were excited to eat that poetic. We liked their music. We had their new medicine. I had it, new medicines. And at that show, a lead singer Brandon Reich was unable to be there. So, because he was like at home for a wedding or something like that. And so they called Skyler Crew of a band we'd never heard of called He Is Legend to come and fill in on vocals. Clearly, Skyler did not know the lyrics to these songs. Looking back at it now, they call him last minute and be like, Hey, can you come sing for us? Learn our songs. And I think they said at the show, they're like, he is legend assigned to solid state records. So they'll be putting out an album on their label, which is Dead Poetic's label too. And I remember going home and looking up, He is legend. And being like, all right, who's this man signed to solid state? At this point, I was giving everything that label put out a try. And at the time, they had like their EP out and didn't love the EP. But then when the album came out, definitely got into it, bought it. And yeah, definitely really, really got into them at the time. And then I wound up seeing them live before you went with a friend Lucas, we drove from Montre to Carboro, like a three and a half hour drive or something like that, to go see He Is Legend. And it was like, who else was it? Because he is legend. What was that band from North Carolina that like their early stuff was not very good? But then they put out a record later that was like really good? box bomb? What was it? Box bomb? Yeah, box bomb, box bomb. I totally forgot about box bomb. Trash Kira. Yeah. Who else is on that? I wonder who else is on that show? I can't remember. It's like a four band show, but I don't really remember everyone else. But it was funny because I had seen the band, seen pictures of the band when they signed to solid state. They were kind of like, seen core looking, you know, Skyler had like long hair, but he had like a huge splash of like blonde bleached in the front, tight pants, white belts, you know, that kind of thing going on. And then I see them for the first time, and they don't look like that anymore at all. They spent two years on the road just touring nonstop and just changed their appearances entirely. Skyler had like a gigantic long beard and long hair look like wasn't wearing like seen clothes anymore. Just like a white tank top and like a maybe a jacket at the time they took off, but like everybody looked different. They just did not look like the seen guys that were on he as legend's first record. And they were great. Like they played all the songs. That was the first time I seen them and learned that when they do the song, I am Hollywood, they do a cover in the middle of the song. And the first one I ever saw them do, they did Stone Temple Pilots did the name of that song. I am smelling like a rose bed and bloated, did bloated. Yeah. Yeah. They did that one. Very fitting for their sound coming up later. But yeah, that was and then we wound up seeing them together. I think I saw them a second time without you. And then was the first time you saw them in Asheville? Does that sound right? Yeah. The telescreen show. I think that was the first time. Maybe not. I saw them there. I saw them in carborough. So you didn't see the carborough. At one point with box bomb. Yeah. And probably classic case. No, I never saw classic case. I saw telescreen. Maybe that's where we saw telescreen the first time. We saw telescreen. I saw telescreen net in Asheville. I saw telescreen at least twice. That was the first time I saw telescreen. I don't remember if they must have played that carborough show then with box bomb. Yeah. I feel like I saw them somewhere else. Greensboro, Green Street. All right. We did see them. Did we see them at Green Street? Yeah. It must have been. And then in Asheville again. I feel like I saw them maybe like six times, six or seven times. Mostly with you. But yeah. They're from North Carolina. We were into them and they played a lot. So we always got to see every little change they made throughout the years. But yeah. I don't know. Do you have any other like memories or specific things to relate to? I don't know. I remember listening to them a lot in your car. I, you know, I mean, I guess a lot of the stuff from that this time period, I would have distinctly remembered listening to it in your car with your CD player hooked up to the type adapter. Yeah. Having to get batteries all the time. Till I got the rechargeable ones. Then I use those forever. I got my use out of those rechargeable batteries. I feel like I use them for like four years. Same batteries. I always had to carry a spare set with me. Yeah. I don't know. I very formative band in kind of unexpected, understated ways. And I guess it was probably just seeing them as much as we did and like kind of seeing how things changed. But like then the things that they would do the same way. And like, I don't know. There's just there's there's things that I like that they did. That the way that they did them doing the covers in the middle of I am Hollywood was fun. Like it was super fun. I really like that idea. They had great stage presence. They had terrible t-shirts. Yeah. I was just thinking that even before I picked this album, I was thinking about this a couple days ago. And I was like, what I wouldn't give for like one or two of those terrible t-shirts. Like either the one with like the the big face with the mustache on it or the like the legs that were like the exercise aerobics legs. I would gladly take one of those shirts now because they never had any good shirts ever. The best one they ever had was one that was just like their name. And like yeah. And they still don't have good shirts. Yeah. Right. It's funny. They're they're Wilmington boys. And so I think that is very much there. And they're just like, yeah, we got weird ugly shirts. Yeah. Kind of our thing. Just like shitty beach, southern beach culture. Yeah. It's just like people's nothing here but people's vacation homes and drugs. Yeah. But like I've always loved. I really like those galley and Kruger like bass stacks that they used with like the metal grill on the cabs. I'm just like, these look so tacky but like also kind of cool and in like a dumb way. And they sound good. I always liked how they had kind of they had the funny drum head covers because they had the spoon. My spoon is too big guy on the drum head. Yeah. At one point. I forgot about that. Yeah. And they they. They're a really interesting band in the way that they progressed musically and changed musically. Yeah. You know, for to a point, I think they kind of stuck to a lane after a certain point. But there's definitely that that succession from I Am Hollywood suck out the poison. It hates you of like their substantial changes from record to record. And but they're not losing something quintessential. Like they're not losing their essence. They're they're picking up new influences and or old influences. Yeah. As probably more of the case. I don't know. I just that that's run of three records in particular. I've always thought was really impressive and interesting in the way that they changed and didn't lose us. They certainly lost people. Yeah, they lost a lot of people. But like I then and really still now don't get why. I mean, I get why. But yeah, I think it's a dumb reason and a bad one. Yeah, we'll get into that. But yeah, it definitely felt like a little bit of a there's a little like fuck you in them too. Like they a little had a little bit of that swagger. Definitely signing to solid state records when they did and being kind of lumped in with that Christian music scene despite like very few of those bands acting particularly Christian at that time. Yeah, I mean, that's so much of that was bullshit. Yeah. And and the label kept doing that. Mm-hmm. Shit. Like to the nail south state, just for years and years kept doing that. Like we're not a Christian label, but everything that we carry we sell to distributors that put it in Christian bookstores. Right. So you wind up with agony scene in Christian bookstores and like they just and they would like they would sign super Christian bands. Mm-hmm. It's like, what do you what do you do? And I thought this wasn't a Christian label. Yeah. Yeah, they have a long history of that, that kind of thing. And I just think that there's something about them. They kind of rejected. They rejected a few things. One, I think they're rejecting that like Christian label thing, especially some of the shirts they made later. Very funny stuff. Like Manson themed t-shirts they did later and like Anton Lave stuff. Then they also rejecting a lot of like scene culture too at the time. I remember reading interviews where Skylar was talking about like everybody looks like a neon colored crayon box because every show you go to everybody has these like bright ass neon shirts because that was the scene. Look at the time and they didn't really fit in with that, especially at the time that article came out was around this record. And so like and then people turned on them like the crowd did not like the direction they went in. We'll get into more of that. And so then they in turn turned on them like anybody who kind of turned their backs on them, they turned their backs on to. Ironically, they are doing an I am Hollywood tour right now. Yeah, very funny. I kind of wish I'd gone to that just to see what this version of the band does does with those songs. But yeah, so there's very much like a us against them type mentality that they always had. And I feel like we were like part of that team. We were part of that we're on team he is legend against everyone else. And I feel like their fan base kind of felt that too. Maybe in North Carolina because even amongst North Carolina, like scenes, they weren't even that liked either. They were real. They were weirdos. I mean, they were from Wilmington. So like anybody in like the Charlotte area or up here or like an Asheville area, like they all had different thoughts on that band. And yeah, they just seemed like a bunch of weirdos who were very different from everybody else that they were playing with regularly. And even to this day, they still feel odd, like almost a relic to at this point. But yeah, so there was, yeah, yeah, I felt a very close, you know, I bonded to that band very strongly. What they at the time, they were like one of my favorite bands period. Now they've kind of slid down in, you know, my my personal power rankings of like all time favorites, but still very, very sentimental towards this record and the two on either side of it. I appreciate you. [Music] I had your thought. You've learned every song of enjoyment. You've gained every piece in the sea. By my half cup of flour, now come to me. Wake up the moon is going nearly until day. Let me do a little back story. So the band consisted of high school friends who went through a series of different names whenever they formed bands. They started as stronghold, then changed to no one wins. And then later the Uriah Omen before landing on He is Legend in 2003, which is a reference to the novel I Am Legend. They released a demo called A Kiss that killed the one we love. Originally released under no one wins, but then I think I more distributed online through under the name of Uriah Omen. They wind up signing with North Carolina record label Tribunal Records to release their EP 91025 in 2004. And in the very same year they signed to solid state records and release I Am Hollywood. So they put out that EP and I Am Hollywood in the same year. And those records sound completely different from each other. Like I never really liked 91025 that much. It was very, I don't know, I didn't love it. Yeah, it was all right. I didn't love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So solid state records is the heavy imprint of tooth and nail records. They went on tour for two years straight. They relocated to California to work on this album. And supposedly this album almost didn't come out because the band nearly broke up as they were finishing the album. I don't know exactly what went into that and what was happening there. But not too long after this album comes out, McKinsey Bell winds up quitting the band. And he played another band called Blood Gin who were another North Carolina band. He wound up passing away in 2020, like April 2020. And I don't know exactly what of what, but makes you wonder maybe COVID. And with them almost breaking up and the McKinsey leaving, like not too long after the album comes out, I'm wondering if maybe there was a little creative difference power struggle thing going on there with him. Because the rest of them stay in the band. McKinsey died from glioblastoma. He had brain cancer. Oh fuck. I think that was the reason. That's terrible. He had had it for like three and a half years. Wow. But yeah. So the record comes out and people are not happy with this record. And it's a couple different reasons. I think the biggest thing that people really had issue with is Skyler's voice. His voice has changed drastically between I am Hollywood and this record. But that comes down to he just fucked his voice up. Like people asked him about it later. And he was like, well, when you tour nonstop for two years and you smoke every single day and drink and like it changes your voice, plus your voice changes over time. It's like, I think it's the smoking that really fucked your voice up the most. And then probably just screaming every single night for two years straight probably didn't help. Yeah. But that was one of the big things that people were like, what did they do? He doesn't sound right because he had a really smooth voice on I am Hollywood. He had a pretty amazing ability to transition from like this really smooth, clean vocal style to like full on just like good or like hardcore borderline death metal style vocals. And then he would do like higher screams in there too. Like he had a really, really good range, which I think the range is still there. It's just that that that high end of the range is just a lot rougher than it used to be. It's kind of how he sounds now though, like his voice changed to that point. And then he hung out in that same area. He didn't lose a lot more. But that was one of the big things. I feel like did people really care that much about like the more southern classic rock tinged elements? Well, it was trendy at the time to do that. It was, it was. Every time I die, had done what good or phenomenon. I think that's the record it was where they basically were like, we're a southern hardcore band now, despite being from Buffalo. You're not southern, you're redneck different. But normal gene was always touting the, you know, we're rednecks from Georgia fireworks and barbecue racism. I was thinking of who maylene didn't happen yet. No, maylene is like next after he is legend. There was that band on FaceTime records that did it. I can't even remember their name. Sorry with an R. Yeah. And there was, what? Showdown. Yeah, zero record was 2004. There was, so we named them all. There was a tour they did in 2007 called The Dirty Southern Blood Tour. And it's his legend, Norma Jean, the showdown and maylene sons of the disaster, all on the same tour. I think it's a European tour, all together. Plains mistaken for stars had gone butt rock, right? Yeah. By this point. Yeah. Which honestly, Plains mistaken for stars is probably the originator. Yeah, but I don't know that every time I die was necessarily listening to them because the oven and guts was 2004. And trophy scars, they kind of went that way this time period. Maybe that was a little bit later. Is that 2006? I've never heard a trophy scar song in my life, so I don't know. Alphabet alphabets was 2006. I think that one's got a pretty like kind of shit kicking rock and rollish kind of riffy thing going. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like people were maybe, I don't know. I don't know if people were like saying like, oh, they just ripped off every time I die. I don't remember that being a specific talking point. I could see people saying that. But I think because he's like, it was actually from the south, it kind of feels like a little more authentic on them than on every time I die because they also drop that like a record later too. They didn't keep that sound for themselves. So I don't know. There was a lot going. Cancer bats did it. Yeah, there was a lot of that stuff. It definitely felt like every time I die was the main one. But those records were all coming out at the same time. They were really all coming out in 2006 pretty close together. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, ultimately it was just bands that were just being like, I don't know, they're just drawing on like the same Pantera and grunge and sludge and stoner metal influences. Metallica. If you listen, I'm Hollywood. In hindsight, you can hear a lot of those type of riffs on that record too. Like, yeah, it was always there. They were very much always influenced by that kind of stuff. So they were just playing it within the confines of like the trendy post hardcore screamo thing of the era. So to me, it's a much more natural progression. I think it was the overall like combination of like their sound change, musically the sound change, Skyler's voice changed, and then they all changed how they look too. They wound up just looking like Wilmington dudes is really what happened. And before it makes you wonder, like, were you guys wearing a costume to get signed initially? Was that that the fake one? And now is the real one? I don't know. Because yeah, you look at them now, you're like, yep, they look like people from the beach. Yeah, well, they were previously called the Uriah Omen. So one of the thing, yeah, people were really like, man, they changed, they suck now. I don't like them anymore. Boo, boo, they are terrible. And it's just like, we were like, I still like them. I still think they're pretty good. I don't know what everybody's problem is. I'm trying to remember, I'm trying to remember what my initial reaction to the record was. The main thing was his voice sounds different. Like that to me was the most distinct difference that I was really aware of. And like, maybe took a little growing into. I think that the music going in the direction that it did was probably not super bothersome to me. But like, we were probably, I mean, I was probably listening to like, mast it on and stuff like that too, around this time period. So I was predisposed towards that kind of riffing stuff. I do think a lot of people missed the steps between I'm Hollywood and suck up the poison. So between between those two records, two things came out. One, the cover of Third Eye Blinds Wounded. It was for like a Third Eye Blind cover comp, I think is what it was on. I still don't even know who else was on that thing. But they did a version of the song Wounded. And it starts off kind of slow. Skyler singing, he's singing high and clean. But you hear, you hear a little grid on that voice that you didn't hear on the LP before. Like the wear and tear has started to show on his voice. But he's singing clean throughout like the first verse. And then it gets to a point in the song where someone cracks a beer, Skyler goes, pour it out, boys. And then a huge, just nasty, like, riff comes in. And then they go into essentially is what the suck up the poison sound is. And so they do the song and then the song comes back to the softer part and he's singing the clean part again. And then like they finish off with like the heavier, dirtier sounding stuff. So that was the first sign. Like a lot of people missed that. I remember hearing out the time being like, what the fuck? I listened to it today. And I just started laughing when I got to that point. Because it was just like the switch is like, it's such a drastic change between what he's doing before and when he switches to that. So that happens. And then they do the split with classic case, the black unicorn split. And they each provide three songs, one original, each. And they do a song called Cape Fear, which is about Cape Fear and Bay of North Carolina. And then they do a cover of the classic case song, modus operandi. And then they do a cover of fancy. I read with McIntyre. And like, I feel like I didn't hear this EP, this split until after I got the poison. Because it wasn't like easily available. I remember reading about it, but I couldn't like get it anywhere. And then once I heard it, I was like, Oh, okay, yeah, they were making the change in the background. They were just doing it when when the tooth and nail solid state crowd was not paying attention is really what it was. By the time you get stuck out the poison, it's like, yeah, it's that. And they've continued that that shift in that direction. So it's not nearly as drastic as people make it out to be. You know, I think they're just mad that it wasn't clean son. I don't know. I don't know what why people were so mad to the point to drop them entirely. [Music] To tell I built my wife to project my age of life with the soul of a gypsy queen. And the proudest nads that I ever seen gave her two more or a chance to act with the death of games. And last give her that my heart to make sure that we would never cry. There must have been a mix of the world away. I must have made a mistake. Now I see closely to what I'm going to say. If you cross me, I'll cut you. There must have been a mix of the world away. I must have made a mistake. Now I see closely to what I'm going to say. If you cross me, I'll cut you. [Music] So revisiting it for the show. What'd you think of it? So I listened to it last year because I was kind of deep diving 2006. So I was fairly fresh in my mind revisiting it for the show. I think it's good. I think it's still a really good record. I think it holds up really well. I have revisited it. It hates you in recent years. And I think that that record holds up really well. Hell's that I'm Hollywood in a while. That one's been the longest. Yeah. So I did a little bit of album sandwich on this one. I listened to it hates you. And I was like, they kind of dropped the southern. Well, they don't drop it entirely, but they definitely lean more grungy on that record. Between the three, I think it hates you is probably my favorite now after revisiting them a couple years later. Yeah. Yeah. That record is so sloped on. I mean, because that was just past the point of people even really giving his legend a chance. Yeah. They got, you know, they weren't on solid state anymore by that time. But I mean, they came back around. That's, you know, that's a tattoo band we've talked about it for. Yeah. That's a people get people get the white bat. People. Yeah, people got into them in 2019. White bat is like now considered kind of like their best record. I guess if you're taking like everything that did before the hiatus and everything after the hiatus, it makes sense, especially like everything coming back. I feel like everything they did coming back there. I'm not going to say they're a different band, but they're trying different stuff. I feel like, but yeah, white bad is like, yeah. Well, they did that one record few. That was like a entirely crowdfunded album too. They, their cult band is really what they are. I don't know who a he is legend fan is, you know, like, what are they into? What's the scene that they like? They seem to play like metal festivals a lot now. That's kind of like their festival thing, their festival circuit with the exception of like now they're doing furnaces here. But yeah, I don't know who he is legend fan is anymore. It's probably the same people, mostly. I'm trying to think of like who they tour with now. Well, this tour, they got code seven. Yeah. That's a band who changed a lot too. Yeah. And I recognize the other bands they were trying with on this tour, but yeah, I don't know who they tour with now. Yeah, it. So yeah, revisiting the record. I was like, man, this I listen to this record so much that like, it's one of those albums that when you put it on, you're kind of like, you have a hard time like focusing on the album because it's so familiar that like, I have, I'm just like, no, no refocus refocus on the music because it's just one of those things that I'd listened to so many times that like, you don't even think about it anymore as music. It's just like a thing that's been there. Been there for me for so long. And I listen to it for a couple of years, very heavily, heavily rotation. So it's kind of tough, like, initially to be like, get thoughts together about the band. And I got a couple of things that kind of really stand out to me. One, the drumming on this record fucking rules. And it's all like Tom's and however, like the and some kicks and like, even the snare sounds pretty low, like it's not a not a sharp snare sound. And I feel like you don't hear that much like, cymbals or hi-hats or anything like that. Like it's a very like Tom heavy record. And I was just impressed, like, how good of a drummer Steve was. Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a weird record. It's a hard record to really, it exists within that Southern metal post-hardcore kind of trend. It's drawing on stoner metal. It's drawing on grunge. It leads to the band really just ultimately falling into a, the alternative metal lane going forward. I don't know how to sell this record. I think is what it boils down to, like, I think it's just really good. I think that it has great guitars. I think the drumming is really cool and interesting. I think that it has really memorable hooks. It's like kind of weirdly ambitious to really well thematically tied. Like every song exists in like this Southern gothic fairy tale kind of world lyrically and aesthetically like it's all really, it all really comes together. Like it all comes together under that like, we're going to do a Southern rock stoner rock metal. Like there's, you know, huge 70s rock influences. There's lots of grunge influences. Like I, I feel like because of where they came from, it's really hard to sell it to like a Melvin's fan or a, or a Pantera fan or like, but I think that those kinds of fans would enjoy it if they'd actually listened to it. Yeah, I don't know if it's funny because like I feel like I was well enough aware of like stoner and like doom stuff at the time when this record came out. But it never once occurred to me to really think of this as a stoner rock record, which now it's what it is. Yeah, it's stoner metal with some leftover like post hardcore song structures. And then occasionally you would get like, you get some riffs on this record or like little interlude things that very much feel like it would have been on I am Hollywood. Like those are not entirely gone. Like some of the like the cleaner, softer guitar parts that you get on here or like, what is it? Like cannonball hands is like the interlude track. Yeah, an opening. Yeah, like those tracks to kind of really make it tie them back to their previous album. But all the like the really big guitar riffs on this record are it's stoner rock is what stoner metal is what they're going for. Yeah, Pantera is probably who they were most influenced on this album. Maybe some other stuff like I hate God and stuff like that. But yeah, Chias. Yeah, yeah, definitely in that lane. And like, it seems so obvious to me now, but like back then, I just didn't think of it that way. I don't know. I was just very compartmentalized, I guess, which look at the album. The album cover, like that font that they chose for that record, that's stoner metal album font, you know, dirty steps brown. Yeah, I don't know it. I had it like a high on fire sleep fan should have been listening to this record. Yeah, but when it came out and I don't think they were because it was a solid state record from a band that was was a scene core, a sassy scene core band. Do they just weren't going to give it a chance? I don't know. But like, I mean, there's a fucking bong hit on this record. How did Solace let that pass? How did they let that pass? They didn't know. Yeah, whoever's in Chuck, Brandon and we'll never smoked weed before against what that means. He didn't listen to it. Yeah, no, Brandon and if you ever read interviews of like the records he likes from the label, he names like the same three bands over and over again. I really liked him in XPX. I really like living sacrifice. Yeah. And whoever like his current new pet band is, Jeremy Camp, you know, the super tones. Yeah, he always named the same bands. He wasn't listening to this record. Or he listened to him once. He'd be like, that sounds good. But cash my checks. I don't know, which, I don't know, they found their, they found their audience eventually. They came back and they found their audience and like, but even still, I'm like, what is that? That audience. Yeah, I still don't know who it is. Because they're still, they're not so stonering now that it's still explicitly a stoner band. Right. Like that's kind of where people have kind of landed with them as far as what you would call what they've done since coming back. But like, I listened to that last record with Endless Hallway and it's like full of like metal core riffs. Like, it's like a metal core record. I was surprised at how like borderline, I wouldn't say it was written like Gint, but it had that same kind of like air, air type guitar tone on it. Yeah. It's weird. I think you just call them an alternative metal band at this point. Yeah, because they're just so many different things. And I don't know, but like I said, like I don't know who to sell this record to because like I don't, I don't know if this is just baggage. Do you, I think you, we've kind of hinted at it and we've talked about it like they mean they lost so much of their fan base. They went between records. They weren't really universally loved in North Carolina. And I feel like as someone who was really into his legend for that whole first run, I always felt defensive. Yeah. Yeah. Like you kind of had to defend liking the band. Maybe you had to defend. Well, you had to defend liking this record. Yeah. You had to defend liking this band in North Carolina at all, even though they played on North Carolina all the time and their shows were always well attended. Yeah. And well, you would also see a lot of the same people at different shows in different cities across the state. It was like, I've seen you and like, and they played with a lot of the same bands. You know, they definitely had working relationships, but it was like they got on solid state because they knew like the guys from below. And yeah, that poetic, you know, they had those connections to those people. But then like there's, there's, there's the great, the great migration of seeing kids to death wish hardcore fans where I then continue to feel like I had to justify liking this band because I loved it hates you. I thought it was a great record. Right. When it came out. And I think it holds up really well to where it's probably their best. It's not the sentimental pick, but it is probably their best record. But I would have to be like, Oh, yeah, he's legend. That's a good band. And like people that we knew would be like, Oh, really? We had no, I had only one other friend who liked he is legend. And I think he, I had to like play him this album like a year after it came out because he hadn't even heard it. So like he liked, I am Hollywood. And we saw them together twice, but he didn't do all the record. Yeah, he didn't follow them. And I like burned him a copy and he listened to it later to it. He was like, this is really good. It's really different. I was like, man, we were having this discussion a year ago. Yeah, they changed a lot. But like none of the other people in North Carolina, like nobody in Hickory, I know like them, nobody. No, the Asheville folks like booked them. They booked him on that stacked show. Yeah. They were the last tell a screen. He is legend. Or solo. Gosh, solo, where he got mad because his guitar wouldn't stay in tune. And the whole like fucking, I mean, that conversations we've had with people about that show where it's like, yeah, you know, I thought it was really embarrassing how he like threw a tantrum and ran off stage. Like, you know, our friend Robbie is like, I'm the one who started the chant to get him to come back. He's like, you should just let him not come back. It was like fucking goofy. Why don't you play a guitar that you knew would stay in tune? Dumbass. He hadn't done much. He still never did much after beloved. But then like, there was like a sound system outage mid he is legend set. Yeah. And they just like rolled with it and played instrumental versions of new songs. Well, do you remember that people were like, and he just sat there and pouted on stage the whole time. It's like his microphones not working. What do you want him to do? The rest of the band played music the whole time. You should be thankful they did that and just be like, Oh, I guess we're done. Yeah, they didn't storm off. But they did. They were like, he pouted on stage. It's like he didn't really pout. He just was like waiting for him to be working again. I don't know. But there was also like drama with them too, where they like they supposedly his legend was mad about like they didn't get paid their guarantee for that show. And it's like, well, did you give them a guarantee? I mean, yeah, that venue didn't last long. No, it was like a skate park, right? Yeah, like you can't sign people sign on to people's guarantees if you can't pay them like you got it. It goes like too big of a show. I had too many bands on it. Yeah, too many bands who would have a guarantee all touring. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was one local. Yeah. That by the sword. Yeah. That's it. But yeah, everybody else I think was touring. Telescreen may not have been touring or Josh Moore may not have been touring either, but like, I think far less than he is legend we're touring together. Yeah, they were all in the tour together. Yeah. Telescreen is not cheap. Was setting up those screens. It was not cheap. Yeah, they lived the gimmick. Yeah, even yeah, they're all in North Carolina, but still, but what far less was a Virginia band, I think? But yeah, I just remember being told that also by a guy that would go on to brag about how much money his scream of band made on tour. And he's like a known pest. So it's like, yeah, take that with a grain of salt. Yeah, I didn't like him too much. Not long after that anyway. Yeah. So I mentioned this up at the top, but I did want to talk about solid state records in 2006. This is their last record on solid state. They do nothing else after this, which for solid state, that's weird. They hang on to their bands. Usually if they're putting out records, they usually keep them. So maybe that bong hit somebody was like, Hey, Brandon, there's a, we accidentally let a bong hit go to all the Christian record stores around the country. You what? On his yacht. But were they dropped or did they leave? I think they dropped. I mean, you wouldn't just be able to just leave a solid state contract or else MXPX would have done that a long time ago. They might not have had a long contract, though. Maybe. I don't know. The next record comes out on the North, what's the North Carolina label that came out on? Tragic hero. Yeah, they came on Tragic hero. It was like three years later. But in 2006, solid state records also release under oath to find the great line. And when we jeans redeemer and destroy the runners saints. So tooth and nail getting there as a lay dying knockoff ban on the tooth and nail side because the same record label and they blended them so frequently that it was just like, why even have two labels? Anyway, on the tooth and nail side that same year, age of reptiles by showbread came out. Another record where people were like, what do they do? They change too much. We have far less everyone is out to get us, which I think is the first thing they put out for solid state. We mentioned brother, sister, and by me without you and starfly 59 is my island on the Patreon audio. But also, I'm just going to run through the rest of these the lonely hearts put out a record. Hawk Nelson, FM static, Run Kid Run, the classic crime, fair, the fold, Sullivan, and Joan Zeta. Tooth and nail was trash in 2006. And they put out like, you're doing Hawk Nelson, FM static, Run Kid Run, and Joan Zeta within the same year. They're the same band. They're all the same band. They're doing fair, the fold, and Sullivan, those are the same band. They're all. That's so much of that. And again, like throw in Waking Ashland around the same time period. What are you? You are chasing so hard. You are just trying so hard to get. They're not going to be keen. They're going to get a killer's. You're not getting a runy out of this. Yeah, the money makers on Do The Nail the Time were under oath, the Norma Jean, really. Yeah, me without you. Me without you, too. Starflyer is selling the same amount of records to the same fans every single year. They put it on album. Yeah, I mean, Starflyer is a no overhead band. Yeah. At this point. And fair one, I'm a Grammy for like packaging. For some reason. That's an air and sprinkle band too. That's just like, yeah, Aaron, we'll let you do your piano soft rock. Yeah. He produced it himself, I'm sure. So. Yeah. But even if you look at all those records together, he is legend kind of stands out. I think Destroyer the Runner also stands out for a negative reason. But that's because it's what the label becomes. God, the old like cry of the afflicted and oh sleeper and my children, my bride era of solid state records is a joke. Yeah, they don't fit. His legend doesn't fit on this. Like their buds with Norma Jean, but they might be cool with under oath, too. Because under oath had a weird, they did a little southern thing, too. Under oath turned into Norma Jean at one point, too. Yeah. You just you're just doing the same thing. Norma Jean does. And they got the drama or two from Norma Jean. Yeah. I don't anyway. But well, solid state would eventually get the showdown. So they didn't need his legend anymore. It's true. The showdown after they pivoted to Pantera, metal, Metallica. And they had inhale exhale, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which I found, which was more like original. He is legend. Yeah, it's like narcissists and the bass player from Reliant K. Yeah. That's what that band is. I never listened to them. I found out Devin Townsend mixed like their third album for them. It's like, what? Why wisdom must have put him onto that? Oh, they had to go in the archetype, too, at this time, too. They had Demon Hunter, too. So this is like between Demon Hunter Records. So they got the little bit of that Pantera in there, too. Out. Trackwise, the run of Dixie Wolf, Attack the Dungeon Witch, Suck out the Poison. Excellent. My favorite run on the record, Serpent Sickness, Electronic Throat, Stampede, and The Widow of Magnolia. Those four songs together, that is my favorite part of this record. Those are the, to me, are the best songs on the record. Electronic Throat, especially. Love that song. Loves Dampede and it's like Country Roads, quoting Magnolia. I'll be coming home. Fuck. I love that run. It's everything after China White, too. We got sequel songs on here, too. They had Dixie Wolf, The Seduction of is the sequel to The Seduction off of I Am Hollywood, and I think it even has Throwback. It has like a throwback riff on it, too. Like, I think it's the same guitar part in that song. China White, too, is more of a lyrical sequel, but I guess a serial killer sort of thing. I don't know what the story with China White is. There's a third China White on the next record, too. I think they play them all in a row, too, when they do them live. But yeah, I think that run there is amazing. And The Closer, Clouds. Clouds doing the Sun, parentheses. That's amazing. I did read a review that was like, and then they ended the song with this embarrassing song called "Clouds Doing a Take Shelter Rolling Stone" sort of thing. And I was like, it's one of the best fucking songs on the album. What are you talking about? I mean, you're an idiot. If there's a Rolling Stone song to steal. Right. That's one of their best songs. Yeah, baby. Yeah, I don't know. This is a record that I don't think should work as well as it does. And I think it's really, really good. I think it's, like I said, I don't know how to convince anybody to listen to it. Including our listeners. I don't know if we're just wrong. I don't know. And I want to say there's always that potential for nostalgia, but how many times has that not worked? Oh, yeah. For us going back to stuff that we loved that I'll go back to. I'm like, I don't want to listen to this anymore. And there's even still plenty of stuff that I still respect that I don't dislike if I hear it. But if I go back to it, I don't want to listen to it. But I can put, I've put this record on and I've put other stuff, you know, by them on. And I'm like, damn, that's still good, riff. Like, yeah, I know all the worst of this. Like, I don't, I don't know what exactly it is. Our cousin still listens to them. Still, yeah. New stuff or just good, listen to old stuff. I think he's listened to more of the new stuff than I have. Yeah. More often. But like he's gone back to the old stuff and like we've talked to each other and we're just like, that stuff really holds up. Like, I, I still really like this. Yeah. Well, it's because they like dumped out of the scene so fast. I think it's really one, one thing. They don't feel dated now. It doesn't feel like it's, oh, yeah, they were doing that. Because even if you listen, I am Hollywood, it's a scene record, but it's a weird scene record. Like it's different. It's a different record. And there's stuff on that record that I'm just like weird guitar choices in there. Like weird guitar tones that they went for on there. There's a lot of clean stuff on there. Skyler's voice is very different and unique for the scene. Yeah. So yeah, it's like, it's the scene record, but it was weird too. It's being from Wilmington, man. Make sure you're new. I don't know. I just, I can listen to this and I'm like, yeah, I could, I could wear some wraparound shades. Dip skull. Hell yeah, man. Yeah, like especially if you look at like Matt, the bass player in the band. You look at him now and he's just, he's looked the same pretty much for the last 20 years, but he looks like so many guys I worked with at the warehouse. Like I worked with like 12 versions of that look. The brown hair and a ponytail. I'm shorts, camera shorts, probably black tea, like just. And it's not even a kind of guy you want to hang out with. No. Kind of redneck. And then Adam, Adam always looks scary. He's got those eyes, man. Whoo. And he's bald too. He looks like, man, he's like, he'd fuck you up. Real bad. I don't know if he would, but he might. He might. He could. I wasn't going to test anybody. I would not test him in the band. And he looks like he's, he looks a little like Philan Selma, honestly. Yeah. But he's got those, he's got those like dark, he's the kind of guy that looks like he wears eyeliner, but I don't think he does at all. Like, it's not eyeliner. He's just got those really dark like eyelashes that just like, he just makes his like eyes like pop. Like, it's just like, that's an intense looking guy. He's got. He's got the Luther from, it's always sunny in Philadelphia eyes. The man doesn't blink. He never, I don't think I've ever saw him smile on stage. Like, just looks like a tough guy. Yeah. I love this record. I still love it. I was kind of worried that going into it, I'd be like, not as good as I remember. No, it's still as good as I remember it. And I think it's slept on as the term used earlier. And I think it is very slept on. Yeah. This marketed, I don't know, not really even marketed. I don't. Yeah. I feel like not marketed. It's really what happened. I'm Hollywood did well enough in the best by 9.99 CD bin that, which at the time, I think wound up being a negative. I think those cheap CDs, like all the scene CDs being cheap wound up being like, ah, we were underselling it. It wasn't at cost enough, like I don't think the, it caused the bands to not like recoup fast enough. And yeah. Well, let's give it a rating. What do you, what do you think? Um, I think I have this currently as a four and a half on rate your music. I think that's probably a rating that I gave it last time I listened to it. So that's, that feels good. Only a four point seven, five. Yeah. It's just, you could shave off a tiny bit and I think it could be genuinely a five star record. It's a little, is it long? I don't know. I don't think it feels that long because I think it's 57 minutes long and it's objectively long. That's a little long. Yeah. But I don't think it feels too long, but I think a lot of what doesn't like where it doesn't wear on us is familiarity. Yeah. Whereas if I were like a new listener coming to this, I would probably feel the link a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to give it, uh, yeah, five feels a little too high. I don't think I'm ready to give it a five. I might give it hate to a five though, then I think about it. I would need to listen to it a couple more times, but and I used to say I am Hollywood. I would give a five, but I don't think I would give that a five anymore. So this one, yeah, four point, four point five feels right. I'm, I'm not going to go to five or four point seven, five yet. It's, um, I do think I'm not impartial with this record, so it's hard for me to go all the way to five. Yeah. Because I think it's just me thinking, I like it, me thinking it's better than it might actually be. I don't know. I would need, I'd listen to this record since 2006. Maybe not as frequently in like the last 10 years, but I definitely listened to it a lot from like, oh, six to, till they broke up to their hiatus, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that'll do it for us this week, I guess. Thank you all so, so much and I hope, I hope you enjoyed this conversation. I don't know. This one feels a little more inside your baseball, like just you and me talking about stuff we know. And that's, I don't know how that's going to appeal to the wider audience base. So love to hear feedback on this episode. I don't know. I would love, yeah, I'd love to hear, I mean, I would love to hear what people have to say about this record. Yeah. And they hear it, I, are we crazy? Are we, are we nostalgia rose color glasses in this record? Yeah. I really don't think so, but I also think you have to like this kind of stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that might be where our audience slightly differs from us. Yeah. So I think that is our one disadvantage to like covering everything that we cover is like, we sometimes go into these nooks and crannies of like styles of music that like the general audience is like, what, I don't know what that is. Yeah. So yeah, if you're like, this sounds like metal core, Allison chains, I hate it. Like I, I understand, I kind of like that description though. I still like, I still like some metal core and I still like some Allison chains. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. But I like this more than I like any Allison chains and most metal core. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to hear some feedback on this record, especially, but uh, yeah, that'll do it for us. So thank you all so much. 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