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Thank you for joining me on the only podcast where a comedian is going through Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums. We're about to break in and we're at our 299th episode. The next one is 300. That's a big deal everybody. What a great way to celebrate it with such an incredible record with fucking Nine Inch Nails downward spiral. My guest today the one and only Sean Patton. You know Sean from some of his multiple specials whether it be King Scorpio his special number one. He is one of my favorite comics and in the fall you can currently not currently because it's not on the air yet but it's coming out. You can see him on the incredible series English teacher. It's gonna be on FX. The dude deserves all the fame he's getting. Huge fan. Huge fan of Nine Inch Nails and we've been trying to get him on. Well I've been trying to get him on for a minute and then it just worked out that this is the fucking go and I was like you don't. You don't take team. What about me? 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nails what's so funny about this podcast Sean is that we've we have no consistent studio so so one week we're in like a multi multi-million dollar studio in Midtown and then we're here at gas digital then I'm doing it in my apartment that I'm doing at the comedy store studio well dare I say Josh dare much like the 500 albums on this list this podcast is recorded in a multitude of spaces of so many different studios by the way we're so many different we're not doing this the way that we're supposed to be doing it we were gonna do the whole podcast singing wise so welcome Sean I'm glad you're here forget you to the 500 welcome welcome welcome you thank you for having me yeah sound like that yeah that's how I sound yeah but this is why I like that well anytime we do it I feel like you're just making not making fun of you feel like anytime anyone sings they're mocking you at the comedy seller dinner table yes but I mean love but I know there's love behind it with you it's ball boss and there yeah there's you Derek like Derek Kurt Derek games call me it calls me youth pastor and I'm fine with that because my homie and like there's a couple people you're like you could definitely have been a youth pastor dude now I'm Jewish you could definitely be the Jewish youth pastor the Jew did did does you do not ask their youth pastor like a bar mitzvah coach let's gather around everybody I'm gonna tell you the story about Abraham well Abraham and Moses went down the mountain hill I didn't realize we were in a synagogue right now this all feels very above board I can't believe this is like finally happening right now this is I've because this is something that I've tried to get you on to this podcast for many many good that the three people you asked before me to do this episode cancel or couldn't do it you aren't lying I know you have some good people do we go we go big you understand that we're not yeah I know but here's what you did here's what you did yeah go you came up to me you know I'm a fan of this podcast it has in a concept I don't really you've you said don't listen to a lot of no but you said to me you go I wish I'd like it's like this is the great this is a great thing it's what you tell me you were doing this I was like that's a brilliant idea yeah right and love it and I'm a music guy and I remember you tell me you're doing this and you knew that I was like like I gave you like a hey man that's awesome wink meaning of course I'd like to do it at some point you're a dick or something no you got five you've got five hundred episodes and you come up to me I believe I was at we're at the Alatre and you come over and you're like hey man you do you like nine inch nails I was like yeah fucking love their details and you go downward spiral my that's the first concert I ever went to yeah was the that was the downward spiral tour yeah 1995 New Orleans Louisiana yeah you and a lake for arena and you go oh dude awesome I got three people already you know them can do it you're in I'm like what a fucking just leave that part yeah I should have I'm I'm not what you call tooth yes that being said that we're we aimed high it was like you are like the David Fincher yeah was ahead of you okay the moment competition we went we went to Josh freeze the drummer for nine inch now he used to play nine just nails he's he he's now the drummer for Foo Fighters my buddy okay he's been on the podcast before he's on tour and then the last person was I don't know how to say his last I'd be Trent Reznor himself no it was Brent Reznor his brother it was it was Tom SNESNER he he's a guy I met he's a guy I met at an Elton John concert on a lap he had that's all that's Josh and by the way people of the world this is my I was doing to you last night my impression of you is hey man what's going on so anyway I just came from a Bob Beck concert where he let the audience actually write lyrics for him and he played them live on a mandolin it was on a yacht is on a boat it was weird yet it was exclusive yeah I got in because Tom Morello you know I was crashing at his place he's like oh fuck if you want to go this Beck concert there's the code I left the code for you I can't be depressed about life like no I don't I've won it likes you I have won it like so occasionally when you're in a place like the comedy seller where 70% of the people that are miserable and I come and you come in all yay jabbing a jab a jab a jab a jab a jab it took it to the tree okay so you're like a big ass fucking guy again but then some of people really oh I know some people really appreciate it and and I look I life life you know what I'm glad you're hearing you say that yeah I need I so much like the same stuff where you're like you're an AA and you help the younger person because it helps you more than it helps them yeah so I think it's like having you say that and it's like oh it's not a dig like dude I like I really do do cool should do I I mean it's I've lucked out so much like even like even with nine inch nails like I remember they were sold out at the Palladium every fucking show this is before I had a lot of money when they went on that they did like five or six nights at the Palladium before I had a lot of money no no no I was terrible what I was trying to say is when Josh is sitting on a stack of ten thousand dollar bundles right now no I meant financially into because I do because for a while what you mean because for a while it's like you have money as a multi-millionaire myself I you're too afraid to spend any money because you're like you know I mean he's doing good guys we're all doing well none of us are millionaires wait can I tell you can I can I tell you this real quick side sorry I'm not gonna say the comic but there was a comic who this was like a year ago try to try to like low key mention that they had made a million or like it had made seven really yeah I won't say it but do the math you'll figure it out but uh somewhat like we're at the show and he tried to low key mention that they had made that they were making seven figures and my reaction was like oh yeah welcome to the club dude and I remember he got all like wait what do you mean I'm like I just I mean do everybody in this room I'm like all the comics like you think wait you think you're the first guy making seven figures in this room okay buddy welcome aboard a younger guy and he got all like really really fucking weird about it I know you're like I'm fucking with you asshole also maybe don't throw your financial sure business around I think I knew I think I have an idea who that is younger comic I'm not talking younger are they from our country they're in our country I'm not gonna give you too many I you I'm not a great comic great guy I know exactly I know I've I've heard that but like I mean everybody like that's the thing like making money in any artistic business is but any any art form is fucking hard yeah and the internet does not tell you that part instead they're like look here follow me and follow these hacks on how to get a thousand million followers and here's how easy it is to make money speaking that's all bullshit that's also they can get follows it's so difficult to make money in this world if you make money at all fuck yeah even if it's just enough to get by or if it's like Josh 10 to 15 million dollars a day a day a day Josh is a billionaire of his podcast I think she nine inch nails with the play of him for what I did I bought the palladium I says perform for me only and by the way do springsteen songs I bought the palladium I said rest now do born to run the album I want all your influences I want all the influences and I'm talking even the stuff your mom listen to like I bought I bought I bought dancing queen momma Mia yeah do it got style and what if the nails was longer you get 11 and a half wait dude when we get into this yeah I have so you have to understand something nine inch nails was the first band I can honestly say I was into really yeah it was the first concert I went to was it was not the first album I bought but it was like the third album I ever bought first album I ever bought was a was a apocalypse 91 public and a public enemy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah well and there was a tape I was thinking a two-pocalypse yeah sorry yeah yeah my apocalypse but yeah not but but but but downward spiral was one of the first like that was oh that's what I'm inside it was the first CD I ever bought wasn't really yeah like everything up until then I was buying cassette how are you 45 you're 45 really that was the first I guess no no no I guess about because because my my first CD I'm pretty sure was doggy style by Snoop Dogg almost positive and and I know my first three CDs in order that bottom all because I was summer it was seriously this sounds like Americana but it was seriously like working at a shitty country club and working for my dad's catering company and I getting paid nothing but as kid and I saved up money I bought nine inch nails right got so like got felt such a rush off the power of owning a fucking CD that then I went back and bought smashing pumpkin Siamese dream which is great is that on this is that on this list probably not no it is actually is we did that I did that with you know I did that with Megan Gailey oh for years a year I was like was right when I moved to New York so I'd say like May or Jews in the 500 somewhere yeah and it's it's a great help it's it's a phenomenal record it's super important to what you would call alt grunge or whatever this one and then and then not Wu Tang Glenn then until 36 Wu Tang was the other third one yeah Wu Tang I mean Wu Tang is a game changer this is so funny is on this on this out on this thing is that Megan Gailey's smashing pumpkins is is it was like higher on the list yeah then Wu Tang which is one of those records that to me and I think to so much because it was like hip-hop was one way and then then it was different you know what I mean yeah but I feel like I feel like I could I don't know I I never understood people who were one type of music in one type of music only I just know because all my friends when I was like younger were all metalheads yeah I loved it I love fucking metal but I was never like I couldn't get into like the cannibal corpse I couldn't really get into like this pure just like like the feet - yeah growl metal yeah definitely you call it but whatever I'm I respect it but like I could also listen to nine snails and then listen to fucking today and then jump to fucking you know yeah yeah I just rules everything but that was later but that was later it was funny that you say that because I was later in life was me in middle in elementary towards the end of elementary and middle school it was it was I used to be like a metalhead and then I heard yeah I heard hip-hop and to be and literally I had my like want to be blackface so like I like gave all my you're not away you're not a white guy in America unless you go to go wait or yeah if you didn't go to your South African American face and I gave all my records away to Ryan McLachlan all my heavy metal and then it wasn't until it wasn't until stone temple pilots where I started venturing back into like into like oh like I can like rock and I can like hip-hop well dude you know it's funny is I don't know if you've seen this but there they redid they remade they rebooted the crow I didn't see that so they made a new crow I did see that with Bill Sars guard and with the trailer it doesn't have that stone temple pilot song they're empty yeah would you realize kind of made that movie oh cuz that movie it can't rain all the time oh there's that there was there was actually a nine-inch nails B side from this record dead souls is on there there was a rage song let's talk about let's talk about let's talk about 90s sales let's talk about down with spiral I I I remember being turned on to it I don't remember if hearing about them before this record I but I remember Lauren Rostek the hot base playing field hockey player at my school who I I'm never gonna I'm not gonna finish that sentence who I I made out with her one night that is the best night out we all know that we went skinny dipping and then we made up me her and Courtney Kelly and then I made out with her all night it was you know something for you I love the how old were you I was 15 I love the idea of your voice hadn't gotten He's like, hey guys, do I get the pool? - I know it was, it was just higher. - It was higher. - It was higher. - It was higher. (laughing) - Hey, when it goes get it, it didn't, let's do it. - Which is somehow lower. - Like you do that higher somehow lower. - Makes you sound older. - Oh my god. - But she was the coolest and that was, I remember just suddenly it was closer. Closer change of color. - I don't remember, I don't remember. (imitates babbling) But I don't remember, I don't remember broken, I don't remember fixed, I don't remember. - Maybe I heard head like a whole or terrible lie. - That's from preheat. - Yes, but that's what I'm saying. - Maybe I heard that before I had listened to him. - I feel like it started for me with this. - And I was up above that. - I mean, that was the first song I ever heard about. - Was it really? - Yeah. - So you said, so take me through your journey, like how do you know them? - It started with being at like a classic in the woods, the smoking weed and cigarettes with a bunch of people who were all too young to smoke weed and cigarette, whatever, by the law, by the law. - By the law. - We were in the fucking woods. So in the, my parents' house was in like a wooded sort of fucking neighborhood. And you go back in those woods and there was an abandoned tugboat, right? - It's so easy in there, yeah. - Yeah, made a boy. But it was like this tugboat that had sunk, but only the water was so shallow, it was just the, so like the top two floors of the tugboat were fine, right? But the bottom part is wrong. The shit that, the whole other tail of me going down in that water once, it's fucking scary down there. But anyway, we'd go hang out on this shit and just fucking rip shitty weed. And, but we had like a boombox, right? - Oh yeah. - And, you know, it was, it was like, to play to sats mainly. And my friend had a pretty hate machine. And we're listening to fucking nine snails. And then the debate about what does the name mean? What is a nine inch nail? Do you know? - Do you? - Yes, I do. - I do not. It might be in here, but I-- - It's the length of a nail you use to crucify Jesus, right? - Ooh. - I know. - Wow. - Which is fucking, like that's a whoa. But when it's a bunch of 15 year olds, I saw I remember one of the guys got like, and it were all high, right? - Yeah. - And one of the dudes just went into a full on panic mode because that idea of just like, wait, wait, wait. So they're named after the nails, like, who's wait? That's fucked up though, right? That's fucked up, man. Like, no, not, so he's like, satanic? What is it? And this is all satanic shit. And he just went off on like a full on panic. It was the first time I'd ever witnessed a panic attack. Which kind of gave us all panic attacks. - Sure. - 'Cause we're kids, you know? - Sure. - And it sort of reverberates a little bit. But then we started making jokes and laughing about it. And he stormed back off into the woods alone and high. And we had to like, send someone after him and go, make sure he knew how to get back to the fuck. He just got to go calm down, go over there, go over there, have a mint julep, and listen to some zydeco, you'll be fine. Zydeco, that's how it's pronounced. Zydeco, nope, that's how the devil say it, is zydeco. But yeah, somebody put on some Dr. John for the lad, even though Dr. John was fucking amazing and probably-- - What is it, is it zydeco? - Zydeco, zydeco, have you been saying it like that for 40 something years? (laughing) That's like me saying Baltimore. - But it's Baltimore. - But it's Baltimore. - No, it's Baltimore. - Baltimore. - Oh. - Baltimore. - You had that whole joke, not to get off top of it. - Zydeco, but you had that like, art deco? - Yeah, that's what you get. - The two confused? - Yeah, that's what I thought it was. - Okay, I'm sorry. - Zydeco is with that. (laughing) - It's about a "quiff" in the air. - Or a "quiff". That's just a secret the baby done left behind. (laughing) - If you listen to the "quiff", it's the baby whispering the name of the real daddy. (laughing) But, yeah, but dude was freaking out. And I remember that I became fucking show enamored with that idea because like, you, 'cause then it's like, is this your kid? Like, is this devil music? And you start listening to it more and more and then being like, wait, no, this is just, no, this guy's singing, this guy's basically singing about being dumped, like the very, like, that's what I don't know exactly, but from what I remember, Trent and Reznor just got his heart broken real fucking bad as a young man. And it just cracked and shattered his psyche. - Yes. - And that's what most of the music is. - It's about pain. - So let's hear, let's, no, no, no, let me just go, this little spiel we do every show. We are talking about nine-inch nails, the downward spiral released in 1994. This is the second full-length studio record. It was also, there's a code name for this called "Halo 8". It was created as a partially self-biographical tale about a man who was on a downward spiral through depression, through suicide, or to suicide. He says, "I wrote some words in music in my bedroom "in a way, staying sane about a bleak and desperate place. "I was in the Delwert spiral. "Has been regarded by critics. "An audience is one of the most important albums "of the 90s. "It was praised for its abrasive and eclectic nature "and dark themes. "Although it was sensationalized by social conservatives "for some of the lyrics, "The downward spiral's diverse textures and moods "depicted protagonist's mental progress, "explaining the self-loathing nature of the songs. "The downward spiral of Trenton Reiser said, "I'm not proud to say I hate myself and I don't like "what I am, but maybe there is a real human communication "that ends up positive, even though everything being said "is negative." So this, yeah, everything about this record, you know where he recorded this, right? In New Orleans. Oh, no, oh, no, in the Manson family. That's funny, yeah. I know he has that. He lived in New Orleans. He has a very... Of course. I mean, if there's... I was gonna say any connection if you... Well, we had a run-in with them one night. We'll get to that. God damn, I feel like... Do you want to take me there now? You want to just, real quick? Do it. Okay, but this was in, like, 1996. A bunch of us were all like, 17, like... It's real easy to get booze in New Orleans. As a kid, right? I mean, I don't know what it's like now. Do they card you at all, like... Dude, at certain places in the French, there's a place if you know New Orleans, right? Now, you can go right now. There's a coffee shop on the corner of Decatur, and I want to say, fuck, General St... Maybe St. Phil. I'm not sure which the cross street is, but it's Decatur and it's right off... Aspenate. It's called Envy, coffee shop, ENVIE, right? Back in the '90s, it was what you'd call in New York a Bodega, what you'd call in New Orleans is a convenience store. It's a shitty fucking... Even though Bodega's are primarily Mexican Bodega, or convenience stores, but we just call everything a Bodega. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this place didn't give a fuck. They didn't give a shit. This could mean we would go in there. We would, however much money we had, we'd get two forties and split 'em between six of us. You know, or... You know, 'cause we'd always be the same thing. We'd pile in the car, drive to New Orleans, sometimes two cars and get as much booze and much drug, and whatever we could find and just consume it and be fucked up on streets was amazing. But, so Marilyn Manson was just becoming a thing. And we all, well, we all like Marilyn Manson 'cause Trenton resin was involved, 'cause it was like a '90s, you know? And Marilyn Manson was playing at a place called The Rendon Inn in New Orleans, which still exists, which back then was like, you know, it's like a fucking, maybe 350 capacity, smaller venue. We saw some great fucking shows there, but none of us, we got tickets to see Marilyn Manson very last minute. We only caught like the second half of the set. You know, it's Marilyn Manson. He was doing all the shit you've ever heard about. You know, breaking a bottle, cutting himself, jerking off the fucking, one of the basis, I think. You know what I mean? - Oh, yeah. - He got crazy. It was a wild show, and then we end up down, and it's a bar, it's still there, it's on Decatur, it's called the Abbey. It might have been something called something different back then, but I'm pretty sure it's still called the Abbey. But we're just out there fucking hanging out kind of high, kind of fucked up. Just, you just hang out on Decatur. Everybody talks about Frenchman Street, or everybody talks about Bourbon Street, obviously. Decatur, not so much anymore, but back in the '90s, was like, I fucking miss what it was. It was just all these like, head shops, and like, it still kind of is. But like, these grungy bars that you'd hang out outside of, and like, eventually one of you would get the balls to just walk in and order a drink, and walk back out with it, and everyone would share it and slam it. It was ridiculous for kids, but, and Trent Reznor comes out of this bar, and we're all like, "Who are you walking through at Reznor?" Now, I've tried to get confirmation from the two friends I talked to that were there, that I still talk to. None of us can fully remember, but, 'cause it was, almost, 28 years ago. - God damn it, insane. - But we were all fucking smoking cigarettes, and we were smoking fucking, the camel red light. Do you remember those cigarettes? - Oh yeah. - Not camel lights, a camel red light. - Yeah. - It was like a side piece. I don't even know what the difference was. It was just a different pack. You're like, "No, I mean, that's what camel red lights do." - Like, if we just pack, these are differently, they'll buy the same shit. - Exactly. - And do their geniuses. - And we were all just fucking ripping on, and Trent Reznor looks over, and just kind of gives, does like the cigarette, like the two fingers. Like he's like, points and like, "Oh fuck, somebody, give that motherfucker a cigarette." - Yeah. - "Give him a cigarette." And of course, and we're just like, "Hand him a cigarette, he takes it." And he fucking looks at it for a second, and he just crumbles it up, and throws it away, and gives us like a thumbs up, and he just walks away. And we were like, "We shouldn't smoke cigarettes." We shouldn't, this is terrible. He just, was that what he was saying? Was he telling us not to smoke anymore? - It gave you a fucking cigarette. - He just took it, crumbled it up, it's good. - He gave you a fucking NBC Saturday morning morning. - And we were all just like, "What was that?" And it was like this topic of conversation for the rest of the week. I was like, "What would he, what would he mean? "What'd he say? Don't smoke?" He was saying, "Don't smoke camel red lights." Or was he like, "Did he hate us, or did he like us?" Was he trying to save us, or was he trying to like, "Fuck you." But it was, I think he was probably just shit faced, and wanted a cigarette, and then realized he didn't want a cigarette, and then we were half fucking. But it was, we loved it. All I know is none of us looked at it as, "Oh man, that's one less cigarette for us." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh fuck, Trent Risner just killed one of our cigarettes. - His story is worth it, just for that. It's also, it's like, 'cause there's no, like it's more like a dot, dot, dot, like what happened? - Yeah, it wasn't like when it went on with him. He didn't come over and be like, "Guys, let me sign all your tits." - I don't think I've ever met him. I don't even, I know people that like have, but he's such a mysterious guy to me. And I think that's kind of why I love the music so much. And you know, because you feel like he's literally letting you know everything in the song, but on the outside world, like he's never, the only real news he's ever gotten into is you mentioned Marilyn Manson was that he had a little beef with him over like certain things I think. - He was like the little wane to Marilyn Manson's Drake, I think. - Well also, there's a song in here, and I wrote it down, which is, I think, and now we're jumping ahead before we get into the tracks, but I feel one of the songs is the basis for everything Marilyn Manson has ever turned on. - No, dude, I think that's his name. - Twiggy. - Twiggy, twiggy, twiggy. - I think that's the basis for Marilyn Manson. - Where is it? - I have it written, Twiggy was one of the guys for sure. Was it the big man with the gun? Doesn't make a difference. We'll find it later when we start going through the tracks. Take me, so where were you the first time you heard this record, do you remember? - Yeah, those are my friend's Nissan Sentra. It went to the mall, the North Shore mall, to Camelot, also, there was a time, and I fucking missed this, man, where you used to have to camp out for tickets. - Oh, yeah. - They'd go to the hex. It was the hex, you had to go to a mall. - That shit was awesome. That shit was fucking-- - It was fair. - It was fair. - What do you mean fair? - It was fair meaning-- - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You got the ticket. - Yeah, nobody fucked with you. - It was, you got the tickets the right way. - It's unfortunate now that it's a conglomerate where-- - Oh, yeah. - It's like they only release one third of the tickets and the other two thirds are all being sold to the second-hand market. - Yeah, I mean, we got, so we went to Camelot music. Camelot music was called, bought the CD, and popped it in, listened to it, jammed out to it, and then they came to New Orleans later that year, right? So I gotta, I wanna say I got it over the summer and they came in the fall to the UNO Lake Front Arena, which, now there's the New Orleans Smoothie King Center in New Orleans, which is dope as shit. I opened for Burr there, it was awesome. - Yeah, that's awesome, dude. - Yeah, that was the only one like, yeah. - That was awesome, but the UNO Lake Front Arena, if I ever do arena, if I'm ever at a point where I'm doing arenas, I would do maybe two there, because it's a smaller arena. It's only like 8,000 seats or something like that, but it's where I saw every concert. It's where I saw a tool, it's where I saw a Rage Against the Machine, it's where I saw 311, I'll admit it. It's where I saw a Beastie Boys. It's where I saw Cypress Hill. - We don't mention their name on this podcast, and they're one of all the boys. - Hold up, there was a tour once, it was the Far Side, Cypress Hill, and 311, and that shit was fucking amazing. - Sure. - That was a tour. - I went into 1997, and I remember it was like, Far Side, amazing, live. Cypress Hill, unreal live, unreal live. - Oh yeah, it's a great band. They're in there, they're in there. - And then 311, which, I'll give 311 credit, what credit do, amazing performance? - Yeah, sure, and I'm not saying that 311 isn't a good artist. I just think their music is straight butt-cheese. - Oh yeah, it's a good taste. - And it's mostly because the friends that I grew up with in high school, they love 311 to the point where it just, it was like, dude, they turn this off, like there's other music. - Oh, it's, yeah, also, also, I think some, 'cause I remember growing up, you were like, what does 311 even mean? And it was like, oh, it's the police code for indecent exposure. No it's not, look it up. It's the police code for like sexual, like fucking a child or something. - No. - It's a police, in like certain states, it's the police code for like child predator. And you're like, somebody either 311 was, the band was horrifically misinformed, or later in life, someone who makes the codes hated them so much, it was like, you know what? Fucking children 311. - It's so shitty, but I met, I was at a profits of rage. At the forum, it was fine. - From it's all old. - It was dude, it's rage, and rage is rage, and after seeing the, I saw all five shows at Madison Square Garden one. - I know, we were in the same one. - Yeah, and let me tell you something, it was like, nothing, can you? You can't, no one can step in and do what Zack does. Sitting was better than a standing, be real, and chucky. That being said, at the show where, I was at the, 'cause you're in the Lexus, I got brought there by Buddy so that we were in the VIP area or whatever, and there he is, Nick Hexham. And I'm like, hey man, I was like, dude, can I get a picture with you? And he goes, yeah, of course. And then I go, dude, my friends love you. I didn't say I love you, I was like, dude, my friends are gonna trip out, they love you, I. - Well, you know, people behind your back call you the essay Martinez of Stand Up. - Shut the fuck up, Dave. (laughing) No one says that. - Come on everybody, but you will get it. - So actually, dude, one of the, you know, like Varena, the first time I ever saw Rage, it was Fishbone, number of Fishbone, the band? Fishbone was opening for Rage, and it was fucking spectacular, right? - That's a fun show, 'cause Fishbone's like, mad energy, like they're there, like. - Yeah, and then Rage, this was like, this was Rage right as Battle of Los Angeles came out, so it was fucking insane, they were awesome. But, you know, like Varena was the shit, but it was my first concert, first concert, I had just turned 16, so he had to be in the fall. The first one, we're like, I like. - Hold on, wait, I'm sorry, I'm trying to pull up the, this, hold on, I'm sorry, I'm looking at porn. (laughing) - That was very, that was a serial porn, dude. - It's like, no, it's, it's, I opened up my Instagram and it's Simone Beals. - It's an angel sitting on a demon's face. - Wait, finish, finish. - Finish your thought of trying to pull up the fucking, the one sheet in this. - I remember the bands that opened for Nine Inch Nails were Popolite itself. You ever hear Popolite itself? They were this like British rap rock sort of like, but it was different, 'cause one of the guys, one of the singers, when he, he like rap song in his song, caught me fighting fake accent, right, right? But the other guy put on like a, like a, like a, like a rap dude, like a girl, like take like a fucking, if the guy from Cannibal Corpse rap, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And they had this one big hit that was a German, like Ickbin alos, Ickbin alos and ah! It was this one, Popolite itself. That was one band. - I haven't heard of them. - Yeah, and then the second band back when multiple, I guess I'd probably say that was, was a band called Prick. Remember Prick? - Mm-mm. - Oh God, they had this one hit called Communicate. Communicate, anyway, so it was those two and there was Nine Inch Nails. And I remember we were in the pit. It was my first experience in a pit. - Yeah. - And it was like one of those things where it was like, you know, fucking eight of us piled into one of our friends, Mom's Van. And we, and an older sister. So we had like, we had, we were my boy's older sister. That was our chaperone, but she was on acid, didn't give a fuck. You know, we had this great, but dude, it was, it was, you remember your first concert where it's like, this is a pit, the crowd surfing. This is happening. And I remember like seeing music that big and that up close for the first time. For that, for the first time, really. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'd gone to jazz fest every year since I was a kid, but you don't get that close to them. We never did anyway as a kid. But like, we're like in the pit, in this arena and everybody's like, you're the first time you're around like fucking 25 year olds and they look like giants to you. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? And then you're like, I'm going in the pit and you get fucking checked for the first time. And you're like, that's something I'm gonna do now. - I'm getting out of the pit. - And then you like go up crowd surfing for the first time and you're like, you're probably only up there for 1.6 seconds, but it feels like it's a turning. And then of course, you know, fucking fights break out and people get, people get checked a little too hard and people get thrown out and then of course you see, I remember seeing like, you know, women going up on the pit and you see guys reach up and grab their tits and shit and you're like, that's fucking, even back then, you're like, I don't even see that guy get checked. - Damn. - You're like, all right. Like, but seeing nine inch nails live, I mean, I don't know what their reputation is as a live bank. I've only seen them the one time, but it was fucking like revolutionary to me. - I'll say this. - It was amazing. - I'll say this, I'll say this. I'll say this. When I saw them in 2018 or '19, whenever that was, it was the beginning of the year, like January and LA at the Palladium, they came out, he opened with Wish. So they, you know, this is the first day of my life. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which I've opened the goddamn comedy gym with at Skankfest and I killed. They attacked for about 45 minutes. It was 45 minutes. I was like, this is gonna go down as one of the best shows I've ever seen. And then he stopped the show and brought his wife out and his wife did four songs from her band, How to Destroy Angels, and it killed the mood in my-- - And then he started doing more. - He's cheating on it. - She yoked, I mean, it's not like it's bad music. It's just actually good. He's in the band, but it's just not nine-inch names. - Right. - Nin. - It's not Nin, and it was phenomenal. It was like the show was great. It started great and a great middle. If it just would've just, if he would've bridged that gap, it would've just kind of done all nine-inch nails, that would've been one of the best controversy. - And I said this to you, I said this to you the other night. We're talking about details about this. And you were like, save it. So I'm gonna say it now. - Say it. - It's why I don't care for Johnny Cash's version of Hurt. Because I, hey, I just, to me it sounds like Johnny Cash knows he's singing a song written by someone else and it's gonna make a lot of money 'cause a lot of people are gonna listen to it. But when you hear the original, the nine-inch nails version of Hurt, it's like, oh, that, he's hurting. There's pain in this fucking guy's voice. I don't hear that in Johnny Cash's voice. I hear it in Trent Reznor's and I remember him doing Hurt live, where it was just him. The band like vacated the stage and it was just him and this very, it was like this, the stage, it was the most lit up the stage had been for the whole show. But it was like a very dim, dirty light. You know what I'm saying? And it was just him by himself, just saying. And of course he had like the microphone stand that was like all fucking industrial. - Yeah, yeah. - Like twisted metal claws and shit. You know what I'm saying? - Yeah, it's like the corn, you ever seen the guy at least sing her a quads? - Yeah. - He's got the two tits that like metal. - Yeah, it looks like a mic stand that grew in like an apocalyptic graveyard. - I think it's, I think they're all done by H.R. Geiger, the guy that did the Xenomorph design from an Alien franchise. - That makes Oscar winner. - Yeah, one of the very excited for Alien Romulus comes out in like two weeks. - But dude, see, I remember like being just completely fucking transfixed on every single second of that performance of like, it does hurt. And like that song was a big thing for me as a teen 'cause I was going through fucking OCD shit and freaking out in a terrible place with my family and failing at school and just, I was falling apart as a human being. I just didn't know how to express it. And like that song was a big reoccurring like, I was on the playlist, if you will. - Which actually, it's actually from this whole record which it just, you know, like you're saying it is the downward spiral. - The hurt is kind of like the song where he's coming out of it. - Oh yeah. - And there's like hope to it. So that's why I think this record is, let's just here, let's dive into the actual record. - Sure, sure, sure. - And we'll get back to hurt. - So before we go any further, this was recorded at the 10050 Celio Drive. I hope I said that right. That is where Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson family in 1969. Converted into a record studio, Resder called Le Pig, referencing Susan Atkins who wrote pig in Tate's blood on the front door of the house. He was living in the house where Sharon Tate was killed, he didn't know it. He didn't know that at first when he first rented it. Go fuck yourself, sure dude, okay. Then one day I met her sister and it was random, it was a brief encounter. Are you exploiting my sister's death by living in her house? Is what he was asked. And he said, no, it's just, you know, I have an interest in American folk war in him in this place. This weird part of history occurred and he gets in the really struck to him, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 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Your savings are waiting. ♪ Go to your happy place for a happy price ♪ ♪ Go to your happy price, Priceline ♪ Do you ever, being in New Orleans, do you ever like, would you ever go like what's the most like haunted place you've ever been to? Oh, fuck your whole city. I mean, they'll tell you every single, every single place the court is haunted. There is the one, I forget where it sits, like right from across from Verde Mart, deep in the quarter where it's like the, they kept people chained in the attic and set a fire and all this shit. But like the, the graveyards, you know, you can't bury anything below ground in New Orleans, in the city, the waters, the ground's too soft, the bodies will rise. Oh, yeah. They'll float out of it and shit. So they're all tombs. ♪ When the levees braids ♪ ♪ And they don't do ♪ Nick Cage has a tomb in New Orleans where he's like to be buried one day. Really? In the city itself, like you get outside of the city, it's normal graveyards, but in the city itself, it's all tombs. It's all above ground shit. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's fucking psycho. That city is all about its ghosts. And like, which is why I don't believe in ghosts because I've, I grew up in like the hauntedest city in North America. - And you never experienced anything. - No, never. And like you, now granted, I, I, I, I've never, I'm also like, I'm like, I'm not like one of those guys. Like, you know Kyle Canane, who I love is my boy. - Love Kyle. - He'll do shit like to spend the night in a abandoned, insane asylum. 'Cause he just loves that he's like a, he loves the idea of encountering the paranormal. Or the supernatural or the paranormal. Yeah. I don't think he has, but he's, he's way into that shit. He's way into like, and I'm like, okay, I've never done that. But I've like, you think after spending the night in one, insane asylum, you'd be like, I think I'm good. But it's like, now let's, maybe just this one didn't have it. I mean, dude, so it's my, my, my, my family is a catering business, right? And you know, it's a family business. All my aunts, all my uncles, my dad, my dad kind of ran it. Now my sister runs it, but like after Katrina, so they had this old ass venue, where they use for like wedding receptions. It's also where like the business is located. It's this old fucking house that's 270 years old. It's on like the national registry. A lot of shit can't be changed. It's called the Salmon Fritche House. It can't, it's like, then, you know, they acquired it at some point. So it was high enough off the ground where it didn't take any on any flood damage. It got flooded and, you know, the basement was fucked. But the house itself, so like four families, we all lived in this house, post-Katrata for a few months. While like my parents' house were being renovated and my apartment, well, you know, we were not renovated. We were going in there and gutting the shit. - Yeah. - And my apartment in New Orleans was, I couldn't get back into it for a month and also, but we were, it was like fucking 15 of us living in this house. And every single member of my family claims to have seen this one ghost. There's a little girl who would just walk by and wave at you. Everyone, except me. And I like, I would be drunk because that's, you know, you'd work all day gutting houses in the fucking September, October, which was the worst, you know, shitty summer in the South. - Yeah. - And I'd fucking be, get off and just drink and then go home and be like, I want to see this fucking little ghost. And I would never see it. And I still, just as they kind of think a lot of my family knew that and were fucking with me 'cause they just come with stories like, I saw her again last night and I'm like, no, you're dead. I was up last night. I didn't see a fucking thing. Anyway, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, maybe the ghosts don't like me. - Maybe they have no interest in revealing themselves to me. But yes, something like living in the Manson, or the fucking Sharon Tate house, I'm like, that, yeah, nah, but I get it if it's good. But then that brings so much more meaning to like March of the Pigs. - Yes. - What you like 'cause they did write pig and book. - There's a song piece. So here, let's start with the first song on the album, Mr. Self-Destruct, play the intro because this is not a easy listen. This is how he starts the fucking record, dude. - Oh, yeah, dude, this, this. - Loud. - It's abrasive, you know, I mean, this is how he's starting. Let's give those a little taste on them. (upbeat music) - What is that noise? - It's gonna be getting fucked, it's gonna get beaten and flogged. (upbeat music) - That's what you get to the chorus, hold on. Let's get one chorus. All right, you cut it off. You cut it off. - Imagine that player in your two-door Nissan Syndrome, some six by nine. - I mean, this is, so the song title seems to be one of the several references to Soft Cell, a sighted influence for Nine Who's Nails, as a song of the same name opens for their 1984 album, The Last Night in Sodom. Critics receiving positive feedback from music critics, this title became used as the official name for their tour. And this is basically, you know, this song, Mr. Self-Destruct, this is like him literally where he is at his lowest point right now. He's starting to get into where he sabotaged him. Was there ever a moment in your career where you self-destructed, or you thought you were going to? - Dude, I feel like every fucking night I self-destruct. (laughs) I feel like I'm constantly on the verge of just sabotaging. 'Cause you just get so frustrated with the state of it all, and the state of the world, and the state of like, I don't know, like, I care a lot about what I do. And so you get really like, fuck. And it's a lot of, it's inward. It's not, it's more inward than it's outward. It's less frustrating. I get frustrated with the state of comedy, but I also get more frustrated with myself for not, you know, you never feeling, I always feel like I'm coming up short of my own standards. So there's a lot of like self-inflicted fuck you. - Even with all the success that you've had recently, because now I feel like you're starting to get like, you had the special on Peacock, produced with the presenter by Michael Che, which is huge. You did great, people loved it. You're opening up for David Cross, and then on top of that, now you're on a TV show coming out, which is like, this is probably what we've all been working for most of your life. - And I'm insanely grateful. I'm massively grateful for all of it, but there's still that part of you that's like, but I don't want to get laid, 'cause I've seen it happen to other people, where they gain a little, they gain some success, and then suddenly they start resting on their laurels, and then they just, it all, it just, they derails everything. And like, to me, I'm like, I can't. I just can't, I keep writing, keep pushing, keep performing. Like, I've had other comics, which is weird, but I get it. People be like, why do you, like, you're growing up again tonight, why? And I'm like, 'cause I want to fucking do stand up. And also, I'm just not, I don't feel like I am even close to being where I want to be as an artist, as a performer. I keep pushing myself further. - Really? Dude, I get real in my head about this shit, and I try to just let go of it all. - Please do, because I think you are an editor. - Thank you. - Dude, when Ari shouted you, Adrienne, and I think you just remember the two of you, but there's another one too. - That's good. - Yeah, and yeah, there's a three of the strongest comics that in New York, if not in New York, and in LA. So, I mean, that's nice, that's sweet, but I also fall, you know, last night, last night at the fucking cellar, I had just the what I consider, just one of those sets where you're like, fuck, I tried something and it didn't work, and now I'm gonna beat myself up over it, you know? And like, it just, it still happens, but I'm still, I'm only mad at myself because that's how I grew up learning, is if I get pissed off at myself, then I suddenly go, all right, I'll figure this the fuck out. - Yeah. - I beat myself up more than anybody else ever has, and like, I do think it's necessary 'cause I keep pushing myself, but at the same time, I am grateful for everything. I look at it all, I'm like, God, I can't, I'm so happy to be here, it's awesome, but I'm also like, I'm still the guy that, yes, I'm on a show on FX, I'm very fucking proud of it, but I'm very fucking happy about it coming out, it's gonna be awesome, but I'm also like, we'll still give myself shit over a Sunday night set. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, it's just that I won, I should be further along, success-wise in my career, if I just could've believed in myself, I was Mr. Self-Destruct for years, I didn't believe in myself at the moment said I need to do, and if I just would've had a better fucking go ahead in my brain of saying, you can do this, you're good, don't worry about what other people think, I mean, it would be, all the shit I'm figuring out now, is like, I love that you said that, we're always still figuring shit out, we're all still struggling, but it's like, if I mean, I have only, no one is holding me down, nobody's fucking trying to have me fail, it's only me. So, if there's any song and title, I wish it maybe, it could've been a little bit more like melodic, this song a little bit more. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, that's the thing about this album like this reminds you of too, is like, I feel like everyone gets so concerned, so a focus on the idea of creating something that's just, is a super big hit and everybody loves it. But then if you try to do that, you are going to create dog shit, because you can't make something for everyone, you can truly only make something for yourself and hope that people identify or like it because they are similar to you. - Well, this is, like, if not to go through shit, you're 100%. But this is, if you listen, 'cause I've listened to all the records recently prior to this, I mean, this is, he's done nothing that has sounded this abrasive, and this, I mean, can you imagine? - Oh, shit, no, no, no, no, not just since this. Before this, this is, this is, this was, this is probably one of the hardest songs. It's not the, is it, I think I did, did I read that before that this is actually the, no, there's another song on here that he used a faster tempo, "March of the Pigs." No, there's something else. Let's dive into, you will get, 'cause we're almost there. It's really, it's like literally like a pubic air away. So, Piggy, which you mentioned, I love when the organs come in. - That's such a, and it's such a slow, like, especially a jump from this song. - From this down to that, play 107, just so we get a little taste of this. Just give us a little, I mean, just, just the exact opposite of everything we've just been listening to when here it's coming. I mean, that's, yeah, that's, all right, you cut it off. - That is just to me. I mean, what a great way to go from, from Mr. Self-Destruct to Piggy. Robert, Richard Patrick from the band Filter was a guitarist in the "90s Nails" from '89 to '93. He had said that his nickname while in the band was Piggy, Trent was apparently angry with Richard because he sensed that he wanted to concentrate more on his own music. Do you wanna take my picture? Do you remember that one Filter at a minute? - I mean, I was trying to think of the other song that-- - Filter was kinda like the grunge hubistank. - Not grunge the industrial hubistank. - What was the, what was the, what was that? - That's why I said, "Hey man, nice shot." (mumbling) Nice shot, man. - That's on a sick bass line though. - You know what that's about? About a guy like the politician blasted himself, right? - Politician that killed himself. - Yeah, yeah. - Pennsylvania. This was a "Haitrack." This one was written a "Haitrack" about fucking, what's his name, about Richard? - No shit. - Yeah, wow. - Have you ever had the desire to write like a "Haitrack" or an equivalent one? Do you ever write a joke being like, "Fuck you" to somebody kind of? - Oh, I think, dude, I think we all write a "Fuck you" to something joke for multiple albums. - Without giving away some comedians or "Fuck you." Do you mean like something, so something personally? Just have you ever like, you know, wrote a joke knowing, I mean, they never might know it's about them, but it's like, oh, for sure, dude. Like, bits that you have about something you, like, I'm actually working on a bit now that is specifically about someone very close to me in my life, and if they ever hear this, they'll know who they are. But it's one of my biggest pet peeves, and it's because they do it all the time. It's the person who in social situations goes, "Hey, if I'm being too much, "just tell me to fuck off," or whatever. I hate that. I'm like, no, we're adults. I shouldn't have to fucking check the temperature of this conversation for you. Like, if you can't tell that you're being too much, then that means you're being too much. So fuck off, and they never fuck off. That's a problem. When someone goes, "Hey, if I'm being too much, "let me know," when you let them know, they don't stop, they lean in harder. Then they act like you're the asshole for telling them the thing that they fucking requested, you tell them. And it's a bigger, and it's part of a bigger problem. It's people being unaware, megalomaniac, thinking the world revolves around them. Anyway, but that, yes, I have a lot of bits like that. But, yes, it's all about it. I mean, who are your biggest influences are the people in your life? And I mean, influences as far as like, you kind of see the world, and yourself, through their eyes sometimes. And that's where I get a lot of my ideas, just from like, experiencing shit through other people. I've written jokes about you. No, no, no, no, no, no. I was flattered. Yeah, no. No, look, I love that you said you see the world through the eyes of the people around you. So, that is why it's gonna perfectly segue into the next song, "Hearsay." Because I feel this song is, when I was talking about the basis for every single thing Marilyn Manson has done. Twiggy. This is Twiggy, the play, this is, this in my opinion, this is, I don't like to say he stole it, but just play 41 seconds into "Hearsay." Okay. (upbeat music) The quiet loud, cut it off. Cut it off. The quiet loud that like, Marilyn Manson was so big in that like, singing in that high falsetto, and then screaming it. This actually is about confronting and questioning Christianity. No, really? (laughing) I didn't catch that. (screaming) I didn't catch that. Yeah, it's basically how it used, Christianity's used to control people on how it contradicts itself, which is 100% true. Wow, fantastic. He also thought he was like, spoke about the meaning, about the lyrics of the song. I was trying to explore some of the paranoia I have as a sexually active person in the age of AIDS, and I guess I felt cheated for not growing up in a more liberated era. Yeah, man, we kinda did get fucked. You know? I mean, it is. (laughing) But that's why I wore a protection haul. That's why I'm wearing it. That's why I still wear it. (laughing) Wear a full body condom, brother. No, I said, my producer said, it said some things don't change. Here we are in 2024 with the same issue. Yeah, I think AIDS is like, I'm not worried about AIDS at this point now. Well, now they've got the, what is it? The prep. Yeah, yeah. (laughing) Yeah, it's over, dude. AIDS is, but I mean, do you remember how crazy that was? I remember like the kid, the kid that got the blood transfusion, Ryan White and he dies and Magic Johnson. Yeah, I mean, I was magic, like that whole Magic Johnson getting AIDS thing. That was, I mean, that was right before my time, kind of thing. But I remember it. If that makes sense to me, like it didn't, it didn't, like, I wasn't like a huge Magic Johnson fan, but I remember being like, oh, that guy's got AIDS. I was like, you're steel. That was the first big celebrity still alive, you know? (laughing) He gained weight. Yeah, he opened more restaurants. (laughing) He's huge, dude. That was the first one I ever went, the first Magic Johnson restaurant I ever saw was when I moved to LA. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Magic Johnson, it's a restaurant chain, yeah. It's like a Magic Johnson's fucking, come on. Taco Rio. No, it's like a, I mean, I'm gonna, fuck it up, dude. I don't, I think it's a, I think it's a chicken, please. (laughing) Ah, you're right. Right, I didn't know, right now. No, I'm not, but I'm pretty sure it's like, yeah, but he has like a Magic Johnson restaurant. Sure, dude, Michael Jordan is a steakhouse at Mohegan Sun. No, but I mean, it's like a, is it called Michael Jordan's steakhouse? I think it is. We're like number 20, 30 steakhouse. It's so good. Yeah, I'm sure it is, dude. Steakhouse, any steakhouse. It's a, it's a surefire, like Trenton Rassner, open a steakhouse. Yeah, I got a question for you. Will he serve the meat raw? Oh. (laughing) It would be wiger, though. It would all be wiger. It would all be wiger. All right, raw wiger. No, I can't get that out of it. Raw wiger. What's your what's your cut of meat? What do you get? Ribeye. Totally. Okay, cool. Ribeye, medium rib. Perfect. I say, I say medium rib, but I got some what is, I say, what do you recommend? They say medium rib. Okay. But I've been like, there's my favorite steakhouse in the world is in Madison, Wisconsin. It's called the tornado room. Right? It's fantastic. They don't even ask how you want it cooked. They just do. They just know. They're like, it's kind of be medium rib. And if you want to cook differently, you have to say something. But I love that. You just tell them, and they bring it to you. I say order house. Bam. What's the chef recommend? Medium rib. There it is. Magic Johnson's. But also, wait, wait, wait, I had a minute Johnson thing. Is there something about him that was fucking? I mean, he is awesome, just as a human being. But like, God, there was something, there was also awesome about the way he handled having AIDS. Yeah. If you go back and watch that press conference where he's like, hey, fuck man, I got it, but I'm still here. It was a very like, oh man, that was like a, I'm sure for the early 90s for that period. A lot of people going through that shit were like, oh my God, it's so dire. And he comes out. He's like, I got HIV. I'm a deal with it. I mean, I don't know. It was a very like brave. You could say like, hey, that was a brave fucking guy for that time to just be like, I'm going to come out. I'm going to tell everyone I got it. And I'm going to just. Shut up. And then he came out and retired and then he, and then he came back for the all-star game. And then I'm not mistaken. He came back again. Oh, really? He played like like half a season or played a season or something like that. That's pretty fucking awesome. But yeah. And then he's just, you know, he's just now he don't even like you're like, you're healthier than most of us. Yeah. You're like, I'll be blood brothers. How crazy is that? I'll probably be, I'll probably get healthier if we be blood brothers, Matt. Let's talk about one of the most iconic songs on this record because now you're starting to get, you're getting into what I call the best three. I think these next three songs are the strongest songs. Okay. March of the pigs. Yeah. It stands as, this is right. This stands as the fastest nine inch nail song ever recorded coming at at 269 BPMs. Yeah. Features an aggressive verse followed by stripped down piano chorus. Lyrically, the song represents all of the fake people encountered in the protagonist's life and his desire to peel back the mask they wear. The song itself is a critical and critical of society and the apparent superficiality of life. It seems like the blood on your teeth. Yeah. Dude, this is, this is a crowd pleaser. This is something that when you play it, I mean, when I saw when I saw Foo Fighters the other night, they played this and Josh, because they go through everybody, everybody when he introduces everybody, they all play a song or some sort. And he goes, this guy's played if nine is just there's actually great video. Really quickly. You saw Foo Fighters? Do you have, say what? You saw the Foo Fighters? I did. Are there a bunch of Swifties like protesting and no, but, but I think they, they did control the weather and they got the show rained out. Can you find, can you find a clip of Josh freeze playing March of the pigs? He set it up. It's just one of the, he set up GoPro cameras. So it's, it's awesome. When you find that thoughts on this song March of the pigs, we kind of mentioned it already. Yeah. Yeah. I vividly remember hearing this song for the last time. And it was like, Oh, I want to, I wish I was jumping out of a plane right now. Yeah. You know, it just makes you want to like run. Like it was like, if I had super speed, this would be my workout track. Yeah, dude. Last. Super smooth. You want to fucking run. Just move. Just fight kick. Like if I was like, if I, if I was a UFC fighter, this would be my training song. Yeah. Because I love the like, because it comes out fast and then yeah, the piano, like, it doesn't make you feel better. It's beautiful. Like, you just stop and let the rage build a little more than so fucking good. How do you deal with fake people in the industry, mock them? Nice. Or just, or just just pay them no attention. Yeah. Just don't. That's what they need. That's what they want. I mean, you know who they are. They didn't know it. I mean, everybody has that moment because it's fucked up when you realize it because you see it in other people sometimes and then you're like, fuck man. Especially, especially in this industry, has that like percentage of yourself where you can, you, you, I'm not going to say fakes too strong of a word, but you sort of allow yourself to be open to people you normally would never fucking speak to. You know, you're like, ah, you know, whatever, just play in the game here, whatever. And you see other VC people, you idolize doing it and you're like, fuck everyone does this. And you realize, okay, whatever, survival, whatever. But then there are people who walk into rooms, notice who's sitting around, disappear for 10 minutes and come back and suddenly know everything about everyone's life and compliment everybody and make sure they are seeing complimenting everyone. And you're like, oh, that's a fake human being. Yeah. That guy just went and googled everyone he saw and pulled up the, to remember the first two things he saw when he googled them and is now giving them all props because that person needs everyone to know how liked they are and how, how it's one of those like, oh man, I'm talking about someone specifically like that story, but, but. Sorry to do that. Yeah. Like I will say, no, no, no, you're good dude. Someone does that regularly, but like, but you see a lot of that shit and not even in comedy, just in life, dude, like just in like talking to, ah, I, I can't imagine what it's like being in politics. Oh God. Yeah. They're, they just have to constantly like, it's like, yeah, you're constantly lying and just like, oh, it's just, yeah. And then like, I'm one of those like a justification where he's like, I only told three realize this week, the rest were all white lies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or shiny lies or normal lies. You're like, what's a normal lie? That's a lie when no one gets hurt. It's like, it's still a lie. When have you, when have you, this is, I'm going to flip this on the script. When have you give me a moment where you were fake, like you. Fake? I mean, I, cause I could, I could, I already say like there was a comic, there was a comic that stole the joke from me. Um, we've talked about. Crystal. Yeah. I'll say he got canceled. I'll give a shit. And this is an old thing and it just for like ears I had, because he was this big name. I just had to push it down and just go up to him and be like, Hey, Chris, good to see you. And like, it hurt me. And we're really, and we had it out a long time before that. Right. And, and should be told by the end of it, be right before he got canceled. He did my podcast. I got paid back. I got paid back. He did my podcast. I made money off his name. Um, but yeah, but I was going to say is like, but dude, I had to do those first, I had to fucking that hurt, that hurt being that fucking disingenuous. You know what I mean? Yeah. That hurt. I thought you were going to jump to the track. Like the track on, on this, on this album. It doesn't. It may give me. Yeah, dude. I mean, fuck dude. When was I fake? I mean, right now, I don't know. No, I want, I want the real, what the real you man, like, I mean, dude, it's, it's a specific exam. I don't know. Cause I, every time, every, any time, especially when I was younger in this business, if I caught myself feeling like I was being like, I would just walk away from the situation, find a way to get away from it. Be like, Oh, I got it. I'll be right back and just walk away. Cause it's like, you start, but then that's also, I'm highly judgmental of myself. Sure. So then it's like hard, then you start, like, I mean, then sometimes if I'm just being nice to like someone, I'm like, am I being fucking fake right now? And I start to get in my head about that. I'm like, no. And then, but then, you know what I find, just be honest about that in the moment. Yeah. You'll fake everyone, you know, or like, or like, Hey, I'm going to do some shit right now. I got to step away. And to be honest about the shit. Sure. Cause it's like what it fake to me is obviously manipulating someone for your own benefit. And I, I can honestly say that that's not my shit. It's not, it shouldn't be, anyone's ship of you and I've both seen it's a lot of people. Sure. A lot. Yeah. And I think a lot of the people who it's a lot of people's things, they get a lot in life, but they know who they are. And they, and they, and they walk around wondering why no one gives a shit that they're in the room. Sure. You know, it's like, yeah, there you go. Sure. Um, anyway, sorry. No, no, no, dude. That goes into the next song, Tangent. Closer, dude. This is a video from a fan of Queens play it play a little, play a little bit of Josh Freeze. Fuck. What's your fucking phones down? It's got mosh in it. I love him so much. Oh man. Alright. Cut it off. The only thing, the only thing that sucks about that is seeing all the audience with the goddamn phones. I mean, I've seen that at shows recently. I know. Come on, everyone. I know. I know. And I find myself, you've got, you're talking about rage. I record a little bit. I say, but I pull it out. I pull it out. I do like, I do 30 seconds or whatever, I get a little clip and then I, and then I put it away. I was at, when I was in Atlanta earlier this year, we were filming, I, when I saw Madonna and I caught myself at a certain point when we got put the fucking phone down just looking at Donna. Oh my god, dude. I, yeah. You record, you were. Listen, I say you get a little like when Axel Rose showed up at Billy Joel, I recorded the whole thing. Yeah. Okay. I get that. Hold on. I think your mic's on out there. Really loud. There we go. Yeah. I can hear everything. I thought that was just life now, man. After our senses have been elevated by some fucking, let's talk, let's talk closer. Let's talk. This is anger. The world. Yeah. Well, because it's totally not what everybody thinks it's about. People think this is about needing, no, people, well, maybe people think this is about needing sexual release, but closer is a meditation on self hatred and obsession to residents. This may, the song was widely misinterpreted as a lust anthem due to its chorus. In an interview, Trent further developed the idea. It's super negative and super hateful. I am a piece of shit, and I am declaring that, and you think you want me? Here I am. I don't think it would become a frat party. He didn't think it would become a frat party anthem or a titty bar anthem, which, yes. Oh, my God. Yeah. This song had a strip list. Oh, yeah. I've played it hundreds of times, probably, when I DJ'd. But could you imagine this was probably every other dancer. This was probably the most played song. This was like, I get probably created strippers, just the idea of them, no, no, I'm saying like just some woman heard it was like, oh, my God, I won't take my clothes off for money. Yeah. I've got nothing else going on. Fuck it. I'm going to do this. So this came in at number 270 on Rolling Stone magazine's 2021 list of the 500 greatest songs of all time. It reached number 41 on the US Billboard's Hot 100, number 25 in the UK, and number three on the Australian number. That's it. One? Yeah. I feel like there was a good two year period where I heard that song five times a week on radio, like back when radio was still a thing. We know this. It's still it's still played, I think, you know, a lot of us and it was, I want up. You like it. What is the what is the what is the Mount Rushmore? Have you had to pick three of the best strip club songs? I mean, just three or do you want Mount Rushmore being four? Oh, yeah, four. I don't know. I don't know. Guys. Josh, I think there's only three presidents on the phone route. Okay. Yes, you're right. It's it's who is it? Washington Roosevelt, Lincoln, Lincoln, Jefferson. Yeah. I think but yeah, I think there's only three, but I know all four. That's definitely I mean, this this definitely closer. Hey, you're you're crazy, bitch, but you fuck so good, I'm on top of it. I'm saying, Hey, I'm hugging you out now. What's crazy? But who's that? Fucking by? I don't even buy cherry. Buck cherry. Yeah. That's for sure. Um, uh, girls, girls, girls, what are that? I don't know. Okay. Casey and Jojo all my life. I've only seen that once in a bloomer. I mean, I do a bit about it. So I'm not going to lean into it too hard, but it's it's all in my special and on the album. Yeah. It's the first time a stripper came out dancing to, uh, Iris by Goo Goo Dolls. And I don't want the world to change my life. Oh, man. The first time I ever went to a strip club was called Scuttle Butts. No longer there. RIP off the I-10 service road and slide to Louisiana, I do a whole bit about it, but check it out. But they're going to watch it. I'm sorry. I haven't seen it. But I love that. But yeah. Uh, yeah. Yeah, changing. Fucking changed my life, but, uh, that yeah, closer for sure. But also like, I remember my mom and dad simultaneously at the same time, hearing me fucking blare this in my room and being like, shot. What is that? Wait, what? What's the song? And me playing for them and them being like, ah, but they never took your life. My parents were never like, they were never like, you can't listen to this music. They were just like, come on. Don't. All right. I just would love about the song. It like it keeps building and building and building and building and building and then it gets to the point where it's just like, it's, it's, it's noise, not noise, but it's like, it's about to explode and then he drops it down to that piano ending. Yeah. And I also think what made this song so popular, it's not just that, it's not just that lyric. I want to fuck you like an animal, which is like probably one of the most iconic lines of chorus. Yeah. Yeah. But if you say that, people immediately know it's this song, um, but it's a music video who's directed video was fucking Mark Romanek with that, with those like earth tones and like him spinning. He shot it on a hand crank camera from 1919. I mean, you remember when that, this was the thing about nine inch nails. I was also dope. They were built for the music video era. They're me. The music. Yeah. And like the music, the height of music videos, like the nineties. There was some fucking amazing, amazing, like everything Spike Jones did. Thanks for dude. I really like him. Even a shell. Even a shell gondry. Yeah. William. Yeah. Yeah. You know, do you know, um, Spike Jones, like, I mean, sabotage, uh, he did, he did, you know, do you know that comedian, uh, I'm going to fuck his goddamn name up. Oh my God. He was in the, he was in that band, Wax comedian. Yeah. He's a comic. Joe Sib. I don't know. You know, Joe, he's, he's an L.A. dude, but he, he was in, you know, that iconic video by Spike Jones, where the guys running down the street on fire. Oh, yeah. Sure. That's, that's Wax. Okay. And that was, that was his band. And remember, you remember the video for Method Man to Cal? Whether all on the bus to Cal, I know, bring the pain. I'll bring the pain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bring the pain. That is still where he's got the fucking fangs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's such a great video. So many people have met Method Man over the years because he does a lot of shit with comedians and like, and, and acting stuff. I'm very jealous of this. I would love to meet Method Man. Oh. Anyway, he's, he, he would love to meet you. I have not. I was, I've met Jizzah, I've met, I met Jizzah, I met, I've met, I've met, um, Rizzah. Oh, wow. I've seen old, dirty bastard live. I saw him do one of the best concerts I've ever seen in my life, um, but, but, but, but I think these guys, those guys, because I, I, I fuck, I can't remember where I've know this from. But something, I know, I, I think Method Man was a fan of this album too, of like, that's why I brought it up. So, so clearly, because everything connects. So the music video, uh, ranked number one, uh, in VH1 Classic for 20 greatest music videos at all time. Um, he says, he said, the, he said, the rarest of things occurred where the song sounded better to me when you see the video. I agree with that. I agree. Even the way it had like scenes missing and like, it kept saying all that. It was just, it was really cool. The song samples a drum track from Miggie Pops, 1977 night clumming, uh, what is this? Tommy Lee drummer said of the song, come on, dude. I want to fuck you like an animal. That's the all time fuck song. It's such a, that's such a fucking Tommy Lee thing, righteous, the guy's dick is half of his brain. He, he, he gets hard. He gets light at it, uh, he's IQ drops 15 points. All right. So we, we have really have a lot more time. I want to talk about a few more songs, but Ruiner, Ruiner is quite possibly one of my favorite songs on this record. Yeah. Uh, he said this is the hardest song to write. Um, really? I think this is the best chorus on the record. Play 32 seconds in for Ruiner. I love this. I love when the shit drops. It's, it's literally sounds like an early 1990s movie bill in the field. I mean, this is like so fucking cool. Yeah. Cut it off. It almost sounds like medieval. It's like, it's, it's Bach, it's Beethoven. It's like you can't sit there and say that what, what Trent Reznor isn't doing is an influence by classical music and I mean, that's, I remember Bram Stover's Dracula at the concert at the, in 95, the keyboard is the thing was on springs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude. Dude. Dude, do me a favor. Do me a favor and we're going to watch this towards the end, but pull up nine inch nails live at Woodstock 94 because I feel that's right. They were 94. They were 94. I don't think they didn't, they didn't 99, which by the way, if anybody can find me a Woodstock 99 official merch t-shirt, I want that t-shirt so bad. That documentary is amazing. All of them are amazing. There's, there's like nine of them when they bring them where they break down how it was essentially all Fred Durst. I'm going to see you. I'm going to see, I'm going to see Limpiscuit tomorrow night with, with Corey Felman. Oh, you told me this. Yeah. The way you said it the first time, I was like, you're going with Corey Felman to see what I'm just kidding. I wish. What the fuck? What the fuck am I love? Where are you at now, Josh? Oh, he's, please perform. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hanging out with Corey Felman. Corey, good, a hologram, a Corey Haim, you know, man, we're doing a remake of Goonies. Neither one of them was in it. We're going to do, we're going to do, we're going to do, we're going to go, wait, what's the fucking movie that they were in that was really good? We're going to do the lost boys. Lost boys. Cosplay. Hang. Cosplay. Ruiner. Goddamn. The becoming. I don't want to skip over tracks, but because I have such good questions, but it gives a shit. I mean, hurt. What's at the last song? Hold on. Let's, let's, let's dive in. Let's not to skip skip, but I want to talk about big man with the gun. It might have my favorite chorus of all time. Play. Did you, I don't know if I gave you a time code for it. Did you get the time code for big man with a gun? Yeah. Just get me to the chorus, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. I'm going to come all over you, cut it off, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. I'm going to come all over you. This is, this is a whole song just about dicks, dude. At least I didn't play. It's my masturbation, Adam. Is it really? Has been for 30 years now. I feel good. By the way, you realize that and I, I don't really mention it already. This is the 30th anniversary of this record. Yeah. This, this year right now is the 30th anniversary of it. Um, yes. So I love, I love big man with a gun and I hate to like, I don't really fuck, dude. What? No. You're a thousand percent right. I had my, I'm a year off. Yeah. This was 94. I just, yeah. That's right. That's right. Because I just, yes. Holy shit. Yeah. It was not like, I keep saying 95. 14. I was 14. 95. 94. 1994. 30 years ago. Well, it was so cool. It was almost. You can see the progression, you can see the progression of how this record was going to go with the first album, then he does the two EPs and then he does this. And then the fragile is like, supposedly, like him healing, you know what I mean? Such a good. Which, which is a great, which is a great album. It's one of those things that were, but no, it's, this is all too, but it's, it's also like, I, I, I look at it like, it's the same shit with like, use your illusion one and two. If they just want to made one album, you're talking about another masterpiece to back up this because this is Trent Reznor's masterpiece. This is open. He will never do. And I mean, well, also I said this to Ralph outside. I do think instrumentally, I do think the social network soundtrack, the, the score to that might be one of his best works ever. Well, yeah, but that's like, yeah, yeah, but still, but no, no, no, that's what we're getting now. And now we're getting him and at us because dude, they just did the soundtrack to challengers that movie was in diet. And dude, people are like raving about it. Nails night. Well, it's, it's him and Atticus rose. So yes, the new members of night. Dude, yeah, it's the tennis movie, the tennis movie. That's rad as well. Hold on. And then, okay, pull up, pull up some, pull up whatever the top track from challengers is and we'll play that just so we can hear it. I wish I knew it. Let's get into, so we got a warm place, er, eraser, eraser, hardest beat on the record. Let's reptile. This is, I wrote, this is a powerful shit. At reptile is play, play six minutes and 52, you know, two minutes and 51 play reptile. This is epic goth shit. That's what I wrote. For reptile. I like you. You have notes. Oh, dude. I, I, dude, I sit down. I do a whole listening. I write, this is just epic. Yeah, cut it off. Yeah. And then, oh, wait, we got to play. Damn it, man. There's always so much I want to talk about, like, let's just get to, let's get to the close. Let's get, let's get to hurt because it all leads up to that. You know, it's going to go from eraser, a warm place, eraser, reptile, which we just played the downward spiral and then you are here at hurt. The song is about realizing consequence and regret. It sends a powerful message that we all should proceed through life wisely because there's nothing worse than being stuck with a label, a pain, a sickness or a death that we know beforehand will leave us only wishing things had been different and that we could change the choices we made. Well, that's like, this one of the reasons I don't like the Johnny Cash is because in the Johnny Cash version, in my opinion, they change the lyric that to me is important to the song. What do they change? In the Trent Residenter, in the original, it's, I wear this crown of shit upon my liar's chair, right? In the Johnny Cash versions, I wear this crown of thorns and I get it. They made a more radio friendly version, but a crown of thorns to me implies like Jesus, yeah, you're being crucified for who you are. Whereas a crown of shit implies it's a crown. You made yourself out of self pity, self hatred and almost self mocking, right? Yeah. And it makes the, it makes it all so much more powerful to me of you can have it all, my empire of dirt because I'll let you down, I'll make you hurt. But when he's like, I wear this crown of thorns, it's like, ah, no, it's just, it's like a Jesus thing. Well, have you listened to that? It sounds more messiah-like where it's like, yeah, a crown of shit. It's like, yeah, I have a crown. It's made of feces because I'm worthless. I love that. Yeah. Way much. Well, I think what you're dealing with, the reason why people suck the dick of the Johnny Cash version is because it's like, you know, it's him, this old man and he's, he's that cash car, yeah, but he, and he's a iconic, the man in black, he's no, no, in the video, there's no makeup. He's singing it from his home in Tennessee. He doesn't try to look younger. It's like, it's, I think the, it's the same thing with, it's the same thing with what we talked about closer in the video is so important, the video and the album cover and everything, the fact that it's like Rick Rubin got him to do these songs. It's this huge deal. I get all that. And he's close to death in the sense where he's like, I'm not saying I hate the Johnny Cash version. I'm simply saying, I, it, to me, when I first heard it, it didn't do because to me, I was like, that place is already filled by the, the original for me. The cover does nothing, you know, for me, I'm not, I'm just. So it's funny that you say the Trent Reznor has confessed that originally he was very angry that Johnny Cash had covered this as it was such a personal song to him. However, once he heard Cash's heart rending version and saw the poignant video, he changed his tune. He'd send two, that's an eight, the Cash thing was a couple years into being clean. I was very unsure in myself. Did I have anything to say? Could I still write music? Did anyone still care? I've been out of the limelight for a while. I put the brakes on everything to try to get it into my life and order. I've been friends with Rick Rubin for several years. He called me to ask you how I feel about Johnny Cash covering it. I said I was flattered, but was given no indication that it was actually already recorded. And then he heard it, and he thought it was actually pretty strange. And then it just goes on, for anyone who hasn't seen the music video or heard the song, he's like, I highly recommend checking it out. It gave me goosebumps just now thinking about that. Johnny Cash's rendition of the song was voted the best ever cover version in a poll by BBC 6 music. Yeah, it got twice as many votes as Jimi Hendrix all along the watchtower and Johnny Cash with a little help from my friends. Wait, Johnny Cash covered? Joe Crocker. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. I'm getting into my brain. I would love to hear the fucking Johnny Cash cover. I get by a little, little, little, little from my friend, I get by a little, little, little from my friend. And how'd it go? Something like that. Residenter sings here, and you could have it all, my empire of dirt, a forewarning of the whole junkie lifestyle he got involved in following the release of the downwith spiral. I mean, yeah, dude, this is, this is how you end the record. Yeah. This is how you fucking do it. Yeah. You, you, you, you, it starts so big and so like, so like immediately industrial and then ends on this like, just like, fuck. It's beautiful. It's, it's, it's, it's like, you strip away. I mean, listen, if you strip away a lot of the noise in some of these other songs, like it's, it's going to sound just as beautiful as hurt. Yeah. You know, he is, when you can't sit there and say that, that he's not a great songwriter, I'm not going to say he's a pop artist now, you know, but I think what he's making. It's, it's, it's, it's deep, man. It's deep. It's beautiful. It's great. It reminds you that everything, whatever you do in life, you got to do it for yourself first. It's got to be something you love and want to hear and want to experience and want to do and what that it has to be because then otherwise you just become hollow. You become, you ever see, you ever see the movie pig. Oh my God. Wept. Wept. Fantastic. Fantastic. Nicholas Cage. Dude, love this third act of his life. Fantastic. Yeah. Like, but also him dressing down that chef at that like trendy restaurant to me is one of the, I was one of my favorite fucking scenes ever in a long time and any minute because it's like what, you didn't want this and you did this because everybody else told you you should. And like, I think that's such an important, but I'm, and I'm tying it back into albums like this where I know this album is not for everyone and that's the best shit. Nothing should be for everyone. I get annoyed at the idea. This is what, this is what industry tells you. This is what the phone needs to tell you. I'm not saying all industries phony, but the phony members of industry tell you this that you have to make something for everyone to please the people. Yeah. That's what comedy is becoming. It's what art is becoming where it's like, if ever, if you can't sell it to everyone, it's dog shit. And I'm like, no, that's the exact opposite of what it is. If you can sell it to everyone, I think it's dog shit. You can't. That's where mediocrity comes from true greatness comes from, in my opinion, making something that you love so much and you put it out there and you can't control who's going to like it or not. But the people who like it will love it. Yeah. And that's, that's where greatness comes from. That's where the downward spirals come from. That's where the fucking pet sounds come from. That's where the lemonades come from. That's where, you know what I mean? Like, that's where the great shit I'm, I'm just naming albums off the fucking list that you showed me. No, I do agree. Those are great albums. This, everything you're saying is right. He put his heart and soul into it. This he got many Grammy nominations for best alternative performance, best rock song for hurt. I'm trying to find the exact number of records sold, but what do you, it was like your phone. I was like, wait, what, what ring is that? What song is that? That's, that's all Jay. Ah, one of the, I love all Jay, I love all Jay, but seeing them live, man, it's kind of a suck. It didn't suck. They don't move around. It's from, I've seen them twice. I saw them in Brooklyn, Brooklyn show is better than the L.A. show, but they also don't play a lot of, they don't play like hunger of the pines. They don't play it. That's from Breeze blocks. Oh, I know. I love that. I'm, I'm a fan. The, um, where was I? Where was I? The, uh, here it is. There accolades. Ninelish nails has sold over 20 million records, 13 Grammy award nominations, only winning for the song's wish in 92 and happiness, the slavery in 96, um, they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2020. Oh, no shit. Okay. After being nominated in 2014, their first year of eligibility and again in 2015, ah, they won a Golden Globe, uh, him and Ross, Atticus Ross for their best original score and, uh, an Academy Award for the social network. Um, I mean, dude, I think that's such a fucking cool, like, to, if you're a musician, I feel like that's like the, the chapter you, you look forward to in your career of like, like the dude, your boy who works with, uh, Paul Thomas Anderson from Radiohead who scored Johnny Greenwood. Yeah. Who did, uh, there will be blood. He's so fucking, he's not all of his movies now, but he's done master. He did everything. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But like there will be blood is the one that like, that's so fucking amazing. But like, yeah, I love, like everything resonating like, yeah, good, but I love that he scored a tennis move. Play it. Do you, do you get a clip of it? A bit of challenges. Let's hear a little bit of that. Let's see what this would be like going back to his roots. He's here. Going back to fucking. Yeah. Dude, this is fucking great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fuck yeah. So tell me this. Yeah. Tell me this. They know what they're doing. Dude. The soundtrack they did for the TV show Watchmen. They did that. Oh my God. Oh my God. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Fuck man. I want to, I'm going to see if I can pull this up. I want to, I want you to hear that while I look, but the other clip I want us to play play them live at Woodstock covered in dirt. This record came out. Do we have it? Yeah. Just covered in mud. I'm going to see if I can pull this up. Let's say this is what, cut the volume, play it, but cut the volume. This is what Woodstock, you know, this is like what it was, the vibe. You know what I mean? Just love, peace, music, just, this is great, dude. The band looks fucking awesome. They're the coolest they've ever looked at this thing. He's, he's just before he got all muscular, so he's like, he's on drugs here obviously, but like it's just, it's, this is like, this is, this is as good, you know, like the Green Day did something kind of similar, nothing as cool as this. And that's how great this is. This is Woodstock. Yeah. Fucking to play goth. Yeah. Like Bauhaus shit. I was going to say there's 94, whenever one thought we could do this again because it's peaceful. I wanted to find the actual song that I love so much, but I don't know if this is it though. It's. Come on. I mean, this is the soundtrack from like, Watchman. You're talking about the HBO one season, God, that is so fucking good. It was such a great show. I'm so glad the only did the one. Oh, did they do? Oh, no, that was it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Fuck. They do. God damn it. And I know where he got. He did. Was it Starman? They did a version of Starman, the Jeff, the movie with hold on. Let me see if I can. No, he's a star man. Oh, the Bo-song. But yeah, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this it? Yeah, dude. Wow. Yeah, fuck, God, he's like waking up from me. He has a sound, man, and no one else has. If we ever have intergalactic travel, this should be the song they play when everyone wakes up from their 50-year phrase, so their 50-year cryogenic sleep. Getting to the new planet. There's a chick that I sleep with sometimes that, she, but that's like, you play that music for a second, play it again? Like, because what she does is she always makes me videotape her, like, when we're like out in public. Like, see, there's like a light installation. It's her, like, discovering the world of, like, oh, and it'd be being a fucking trying to get laid. I fucking, look, there's, couldn't just be this girl I know, this girl I bang sometimes. All right, cut it off. I'm sorry. All right, there we go. Let's stop. Let's hear. Let's, let me do this little spiel. We'll get you out of here. So this is the only time we're going to be talking about nine-ish nails on the 500 on this one. 20 re-rank. Pretty hate machine made the cut at two on 500 on the, on the new version, not on ours. Pretty hate machine made the cut at 453. This record actually jumped 79 spots to number 122 on the 2020 version on the 2020 version. So it's currently, it was 201 on this one. It is. Yes. And it jumped to 122. 122. I could see that. I could see why this is a lot of, a lot of people influenced by this record. Definitely. I even think like Kanye West, you can, you can go on and on about the people that definitely, you know. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was, and I'm sure he'd list the fuckload of, of a, of a, or not right, well, that's where I'm to influence it as well. Yeah. You know, cause I know like, I mean, you think about like that first ministry album and like just the hard industrial, but like he takes it to like a artsy level. He takes it to like a, this is, yeah, this is, this is, this is like, probably, this talkable level. This is, he may, he made, he made goth fuckable. Very. He made it sex. Which actually, let someone's going to hate that I said that, but let's get into, let's get into our final questions. What's your favorite song on this record? I mean, dude, if I'm being 100% honest, it's got to be March of the pigs. Yeah. I just think it's a, I just think it's a, if I had to like say, listen to one, I get it closer as the big hit, right? And I get it. We just kind of geeked out over hurt. Yeah. But like, but like, if I had to say, listen to one album or one song, I'd be like, listen to March of the pigs. March of the pigs is the best song on the record, but my favorite is Ruiner. Ruiner is fantastic. Don't get me wrong. But March of the pigs is, is the best song on this record. I also just think it's like it's the perfect, it sums up with the album is. Yeah. It's just like these dark fucked up lyrics and it's about something, but it also goes from like the, the super fast pace to the, it was talked about earlier. It's like the melodic, yep, doesn't it make you feel better? It's just the pigs have one tonight and they can all sleep soundly and everything is all doing. Do we just harmonize? Not really. I can't hear it. I'm toned down. We're doing good. But, um, but I think that song we're talking about. To me, you can fucking, we did fucking a perfect impersonation, non-personation, uh, cover of, just now, Cypress Hill, insane in the brain. Yeah, yeah, because you know, rap known for its harmonizing. Do the big, do the, um, biggest, dumb, biggest, dumb, my Christmas, and number one. So good. I still remember at that fucking Skankfest where I'm still, I still maintain because we did not have time to rehearse the band was supposed to come in with the bridge and we fucked up that. No, that, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the first time we did it. Hold up. But it was still just funny because it was, and I'm telling the world this one, it was Skankfest. We're all four days in and just run out and just fucked up. My voice is gone doing shows when staying up to eight a.m. every night. And we do this song and I remember having this moment where I'm like, all right, the bridge isn't happening. Fuck it. And I started again, and I remember not just me, not just you, but people in the audience were like, no, like I came in too soon. Yeah. But that was it. I should have stopped it. Like, no, let's fucking do it now. But I still remember the song ends and we hug on stage and you in my ear go, you came in too early with that part. And I was so pissed at you and like a friendly way. I got off stage like fucking Josh just fucking killed it. But then, and then last year doing killing in the name of it was fantastic. You'll do it again this year, by the way. You know that. Am I doing it this year again? You're always you're one of my go to. We're doing three again this year. I'm only I'm only doing the same for the one day. Perfect. So I'm going to do it that day. Yeah. Do it that day. Are you doing the Sunday show? Coming in for Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. But but no, dude. Hurt is I mean, I put March of the Pigs. I think is all right. Yeah. Least favorite song on this record. I don't I don't I I don't love a big man with a gun. Okay. I don't hate it. And it's like but to me it's just one of those like I don't know I just it never resonates. Sure. But dude, it's not it's not the best song. I think it's a little interesting, but but I get it. Can you fuck to this record? It's just queef. Yeah. But also I feel like I mean you're gonna you better be ready to fuck though. The dark shit. Or it's like this is experimental fucking this girl puts on are you if somebody puts on this record and you're gonna fuck there's expect to be like ass play nipples like you're fucking to fuck not to not to this song. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like this isn't like a nut real quick for you go to bed wake up morning sex album. This is like a hey we've got we're both off. We both have nothing to do tonight. Let's just get fucking weird. Yeah. Let's just let's just push the boundaries of what we're both comfortable with. And I've said that before I mean it's like this or like if a girl puts on like Romstein you're like oh my god. Do hostage. Just. I'm nine. But it's not like it was made for fucking but there is something dark in like it's like the way that like marathon fucking marathon which with the way that death tones is like sexy rock fucking this is like like you said you said it this is this is cover yourself in mud and fucking you know get a yeast infection or this is like this is like roleplay. This is hide and seek fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Turn out all the lights and night vision goggle fuck yeah. This is what I mean. This is like like if you've never been pegged before but you're interested in trying this is the album. I'm you know what I just wish I had a girl that I was a I had a girl that I was experimental with you know but man I just I never would have ever thought I love fucking music massive attack porta said yes death tones yes even the cure cure make their way in there because there's some real I know disintegration specifically disintegration yeah it's got to be it's got to be that record their masterpiece but this is I could I see that you can fuck to nine inch nails but like you said this is a mission statement fuck record if a girl hears it and she knows about really you're putting on you go get yeah this is straight up like this is fucking for sport sport this is like trying to see what you're made of to fuck song what is a way if you if you what's your elevator pitch to get someone to listen to this record are you in a dark place and you want out give this one to go I think it's great because it takes you into it takes you darker it's like putting out fire with fire kind of thing yeah you know I mean it's not it's not sympathetic music it's not like oh it's gonna be okay it's very just like oh you think you're in a dark place come on and look here we are now rock bottom now let's fucking fly out of it I think I think I think this is the perfect you know they always say it when you're when you're at your lowest you know art comes from pain and I mean you really get a guy who's obviously a genius I know you throw that word around a lot he's a musical genius yeah brilliant and and yeah I think I think I think I think this is literally you're hearing him probably at at the lowest he's ever been in his life he'll never do anything as good as this I mean I don't want to say that that's not you know I don't want to say that but I just think that I don't even know if they're making records like that anymore but this is a masterpiece in in what you would call whether it's industrial goth or just rock and roll no this is this is a masterpiece in music promote away anything you want to promote usually at the beginning that we jumped we jived right into it so quickly I mean I let's see August 16th through the 18th I will be headlining the comedy mothership in Austin Texas and then August 31st I'll be headlining the crystal ballroom in Boston Massachusetts and then I'm on tour with then I got November September 6th and 7th doing Whits End in Charleston and I'm on tour with then I'm on tour with David Crosswood last year and the FX show and his teacher comes out on September 2nd September 2nd yeah guys support what the special talk about the special I mean it's on peacock it's called number one check it out it's only going to be on peacock for a couple more months and then we're getting it back and we're going to it's dude he Shawn is one of the funniest people you're going to watch watch support him watch the TV show and do thank you for coming you're going to come back on it you're going to come back on it you're going to come back on it you're going to come back on it you're going to come back on I'm going to go pee I love you I love you and back on it. 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