Ben Ennis & Brent Gunning kick off The FAN Morning Show on the doubleheader split Toronto had yesterday and start on the deals the team made yesterday sending Justin Turner and Yusei Kikuchi to other teams. They look at both guy's tenures as Blue Jays and the seasons involved. At the back end of the hour, the duo update you on Canada’s medal count and what stood out on Day 3 (33:34).
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[MUSIC] >> Bad morning, Joe Sportsman 5.9 to the fan. Ben and his friend, Gunning, that was Justin Turner. One of a couple of now former Blue Jays is today's Major League Baseball trade deadline day, six o'clock tonight. But basically all the work is done, including having Justin Turner give her his wife, give birth to a child three weeks ago. They're awaiting a passport for the young child to bring him to Seattle. He's now a mariner and we got our future world baseball classic participant. The young Turner, I'm sorry, I don't know the child's name. >> I don't, I do not know either. I did read that and I was like, it's a father of, you know, like not a baby. But like a youth myself, I was like, that'd be, that'd be tough. But I don't know, it's a shame like do the Jays go to Seattle again, or that's done for the year, I'd imagine that's done. Cuz that'd be the way to sneak in, right? It's just like throw a Jay's jersey on them or get them over. And then it's like, yeah, just in the horde of Blue Jays fans that make the journey. >> You're saying to smuggle them across the border to the United States of America. >> It's like got American parents. I feel like, you know, grease the wheels a little bit. I don't know how these things work. But I guess that that chance for subterfuge and espionage is not afoot. Or they could just like get the passport, which is probably coming. That was one of my favorite things. I traveled with young children when they were born. >> Yeah, you're insane, but go ahead. >> Before they were a year old and they can't walk, they can't even sit up straight. You literally have to hold your hand up the back of their shirt to keep them sitting up in the picture cuz you need to have a passport picture. There's nothing funnier than the passport picture for both of my children, which I've, actually, I don't think they have their second passports yet. I think they're still using them. >> I don't know how that works, but yeah, I had the exact opposite getting my passport made at the time two year old. You were propping the kid up. I was like, hey, oh boy, like holding him against the wall so the photographer could take the picture. So there you go. Couple strategies for the turners, whatever works for you. >> Yeah, probably don't need our help. >> I think they're good. See more well traveled, certainly than me. I don't know, you're a world traveler though. >> The Blue Jays pretty good so far, it seems. >> So, well, like they did well, they're not good. >> Right, right. >> Just clarifying. >> The all the pending free agency for like Trevor Richards, no offense Trevor Richards, but like don't really consider you part of the group. Maybe you'll go, maybe you'll go. Maybe, listen, if Nate Pearson can elicit a return in trade, perhaps there's hope for Trevor Richards. >> What's the exact opposite? >> Looked pretty good, but yeah, all the, the trades leading up to yesterday were fine. >> Sure. >> Various returns for Jimmy Garcia. The Blue Jays were able to get an outfielder that was in the Major Leagues of Baseball this season. Still 79 bases across a couple of levels in the Minor Leagues a year ago, plays a bunch of outfield positions, a switch hitter. But yeah, the Major League results are not overwhelming and whether the hit tool is there for him is a question. >> We shall see. >> The day started with the Justin Turner trade. It's a one year deal. Guy's DH who hasn't really met expectations offensively, mostly on the strength or weakness of one horrible month. But Justin Turner called the worst month of his career. >> Right. >> So May that he had this season. It's fun, fine. And the Blue Jays got a guy who's made it as high as double A this season. In Shrek, RJ Shrek, who's also an outfielder who also bats left. Blue Jays got a bunch of left handed hitters yesterday. The PS the resistance so far. And you have to be careful with this on a number of different fronts. Well, the most obvious one is we're talking about prospects. Which at the best of times, who the hell knows what you're getting. Secondarily, when you are talking about a consensus view on something in sports. You have to be very skeptical because there's a reason why sports are unpredictable. There's a reason why Vegas had like they're not tearing down casinos. Cuz if everybody knew what was gonna happen in sports, you wouldn't be allowed to bet on it. >> That's true. >> But yeah, everybody pretty well in the exact same space when it comes to the hall. The Blue Jays got four, you say Kukuchi. Who's really revived himself since his start as a Blue Jays, no question. Remember how he wasn't like a major league caliber pitcher when he arrived with the Toronto Blue Jays. And it looked like it was a sunk cost in the first of a three year deal. Well, he was good last year and he's been okay this year. But the year raised almost seven since the end of May. And he's a pending free agent. He's two months left before anybody can take their shot at you say Kukuchi. The Blue Jays got a legitimate top 100 prospect in all of Major League Baseball in Jake Bloss. A guy that was already in the rotation for the Houston Astros. They got a guy who's already on the Major League roster in their outfield in Joey Loperfido. And they got a third baseman who's already a AAA who's the son of a Major Leaguer in Will Wagner. So you got to be careful? >> Of course. >> But some of the things you're seeing from people that are more plugged into the Houston Astros side of things, it is remarkable the type of hall they got for a guy who at his best can look dominant in you say Kukuchi, but is a pending free agent. And the Blue Jays are going nowhere. It really does feel like the first coup of the deadline for the Blue Jays. >> Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head that any time everyone in the world is in lockstep in something. And the thing that they're in lockstep seemingly against is not one of the loser's sad sack franchises in sports like you know occasionally who can I pick here like oh I don't know the Leafs make a trade and occasionally they'll get Lampoon for it and it's like okay maybe you're right on that one. But what it's the Astros doing this, this is not a this is not the Oakland A's, this is not the Miami Marlins, this is not your again like fill in your kind of like joke franchise at times in here. This is a team that is done at the right way and I think that this is exactly the kind of team that you should look to take advantage of at the trade deadline. They are a team that has an aging core who knows how long some of them will be around for you know be it Al Tuve how long can he continue to be productive or bragman everything that's happened like I think that this is exactly the team that you would love to do business with for exactly this reason. Other teams I'm sure looked at the price for Kukuchi and said I'm very interested in Kukuchi I would love to add them to my rotation absolutely not if that's the hall you're looking at getting back for him and the Blue Jays were able to kind of take advantage of a group trying to stoke the fly the fires of a dying dynasty basically like that I think they did really well there. The pitching is far and away the most important part of this to me they have forever struggled to have had just quad a pitching depth and you don't make this trade hoping that that's what Jake Bloss becomes but the fact that he now kind of slots into your rotation and gives you more pitching depth and that's one less thing not that we can put this in pen for next year but that's one less thing you have to go out and find next year because you're going to need to add probably at least one if not two arms to this rotation. So I think they did great it's probably to your point the first real coup we've seen from Atkins and I think that's the other part of this that complicates that it's like if Ross Atkins did a great job here does that change anything what does it change and how do you define a great deadline when it's prospects that are that are traded for if you don't then flip those prospects to something more substantial or tangible. Yeah we can talk about that a little bit later on but I think yeah just just drilling a little deeper on this specific trade again the other ones hey maybe they're going to yield results. It's not what we're talking about with this trade baseball trade values great this great Twitter account X account at baseball values they what they do is they take the numbers they take the age of the players they take the contract status and they put it all together and they have their own little model AI does it now today it's not an AI account no no but I mean like you know the model like the computer does it yeah they put the numbers in yeah it's not it's not AI everything that's computers to me okay all right Excel AI yeah you use a calculator as AI AI I did the math yep today the blue chance reportedly acquired you say Kikuchi from the Astros has changed for Jake Bloss Joey Loprofito and Will Wagner the deals rejected by her model is an overpay by Houston by our modeling Toronto is receiving significantly more for half a season of Kikuchi than Chicago this is the White Sox received for a year and a half of Eric Fettie the Blue Jays excellent trade deadline continues I wouldn't have called it excellent before this deal all those deals previously had to be made yes anybody that's not nailed down which is anybody that's a pending free agent had the guts to go sorry Trevor Richard but before six o'clock tonight and maybe Trevor Richards will move in less than 12 hours time before the six o'clock trade deadline but you are talking about like just today so hey future years what is Jake Bloss become they talk about a middle of the rotation starter that's all well and good today yes here are the numbers from the last three starts of you say Kikuchi compared to Jake Bloss's majorly career which is three starts and hasn't gone necessarily well for Jake Bloss's last start came against the A's who like to hit home runs they hit four of them off of Mr. Bloss even though he had five strikeouts over five innings Jake Bloss in his three major league starts eleven and two thirds innings pitched ERA approaching seven snog good eleven strikeouts almost a K for nine and this is again this is a guy getting his feet wet at the major league level but it the results have not been spectacular obviously in three starts and if they had been maybe the ask for it to be like we don't actually need a guy to slot into our playoff rotation Jake Bloss is our guy entirely plausible you say Kikuchi in his last three starts fourteen and a third innings pitched ten point oh five ERA nineteen strikeouts it's dragging out more but the results basically all season long again going back to the end of May we're almost in August you can make the argument today that you're just as likely to get a quality started at Jake Bloss then you are from you say Kikuchi and you say Kikuchi is a free agent at the end of the season Jake Bloss has made three career major league starts that alone when the report started filtering in that it was Jake Bloss as part of the return for you say Kikuchi what coup to add on and again Joey Loperfito the results have not been overwhelming unless the Astros wouldn't be shipping him out of town but already in his first tour of duty in major league baseball proving to be competent defensively and somebody that will get into the lineup for a team that is now in first place in the American League West hmm secondarily to that the Blue Jays have an area of need at third base and and and we'll see if will Wagner can hack it there I've seen some reports that the defense is especially his arm is not like Major League caliber at third base and he doesn't have a huge home run ability but one of the best played approaches in the Astros system he's consistently got on base hit for a high average at AAA he's already at trip like is it possible that all three of those players are playing major league baseball games with the Toronto Blue Jays this season in fact I would bank on it you got three major league players for two months of you say Kikuchi well look at the well okay the only thing I would say to push back on that is like they are factually major leakers to your point about the prospect nature of it all it's like hey you need warm bodies on a baseball team that's gonna need to play a hundred and sixty two more of these things next year and we'd spend a ton of time talking about the hole so I'm not saying that to denigrate the return they got they did excellent I just think that when people hear that and I'm not saying you're wrong to describe it that way they go great three major leakers well three major leakers and we'll see what the major league career looks like I'd love to think that when this trade was happening I don't know who the Jonah Hill type character is over over in Houston but they're like he they love sons of major leaguers throw in Wagner as well you got to get him in the trade the positional need thing you especially when it's a prospect where there are any questions about position I don't think you can take that as much into account but to your point about are the guys gonna play games look at the guys that'll play games for this team this year they have given all of the kids a shot they don't say that as a shot at Addison Barger or you know bigger and Ernie Clement but everyone has got a look that's been kind of close to scratching the surface in Buffalo I don't see why you'd be any more precious with these guys as well if they prove they can hack it so yeah it's a it is a fantastic piece of business the other question I have about it and I think the answer is it will just make the Astros look potentially slightly less foolish I don't think it changes what return people expected to get from the Blue Jays but how does the tenor of this conversation go if we see what I think is entirely possible and the bounce back from Kakuchu because you know baseball yes it's it's a very kind of black and white game and you should be able to you know transport results from one team to another you should have an understanding of it but we always lose sight of the human element guys been sitting here struggling on a team that's struggling and he's been getting told by everyone you know who has a pulse in baseball hey you're getting traded by the way it's just it would only be human nature for him to kind of feel a little looser a little freer maybe a little more confident and be able to go perform in Houston that's the other thing I think will be interesting is how the perception of the deal changes depending on what Kakuchi does because Kakuchi who got moved at the deadline and if Kakuchi not that they were going to do this but if he got moved at last year's deadline with a year and a half obviously it's a very different player you're looking at in terms of the performance you got from last year's guy versus this guy you say Kakuchi can be good mm-hmm you say Kakuchi has all the skills to be good throws up an upper 90s fastball from the left side you say Kakuchi can strike some people out mm-hmm you say Kakuchi is no ace nope you say Kakuchi has a career ERA of 472 in 144 career starts 156 games you say Kakuchi his ERA this season is 475 which is right in line with his career average ERA you say Kakuchi is a fine player mm-hmm and somebody that can fill out your starting staff and if he's available in free agency Blue Jays should make an attempt to re-sign and bring him back into the fold mm-hmm you say Kakuchi can look good for the Houston Astros especially if he gets to face you know the the Mariners despite the fact that they added Justin Turner like not exactly the 27 Yankees over there mmm angels play in their division so the Oakland A's as I mentioned earlier mm-hmm who cares like you you say Kakuchi can be lights out he can not allow another run in his final 10 starts of the season leading the Astros frankly to the world freaking series and that's I mean from the Astros perspective that's true as well if you're an Astros fan and you're you're screaming yes at your organization for for pulling off this move I understand it but also I don't understand it because they're obviously in a different competitive window than the Toronto Blue Jays and you got those world series rings some of them might be fake and some of them might be real but you're also counting down the days till Alex Bragman's free agency there's the Kyle Tucker of it all who may be moving this offseason to try and re-stock the farm system you're you're counting down the days until the end of what is close to a modern day baseball dynasty in Houston so flags fly forever if they believe that you say Kakuchi gives them an incremental chance a better chance of winning the division winning a round of the plans winning another world series then who cares if you give up Joey freaking Loperfido who I don't like in all the projects and never seen anybody say Joey Loperfido is like a future MVP center of the or middle of the lineup type bad but that's all well and good that's the price of doing business to for the Blue Jays to take advantage of a team as desperate as they were to acquire starting pitching in this manner to get guys that are legit top 20 parts of their own minor league system now granted the Astros don't have a great minor league system going into the season they were ranked 29th in all of baseball they still manage to find players that contribute to their major league level just despite the fact that they're routinely not ranked at the upper echelon of farm systems and major league baseball just it feels like a coup a coup of coups in a in a season in which you had to sell off all your pending free agents but I wasn't expecting much of a return on anybody especially nobody that really impacted your immediate major league roster to get two guys that are already in the major leagues right now and a third that could be especially considering what you have at the major league level at third base in the major leagues by the end of the year it's it's it's hard at this moment and again who knows with young players at this moment hard to hard to be critical of this deal one perception shouldn't be everything but I think the Blue Jays are helped a lot and again like they did they did wonderful in this trade they don't need the help of perception for that but it helps that heading into this deadline and correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like everything we were hearing is look they're not getting a top 100 prospect for for any of these guys and they were able to do that in and of itself they didn't have to do what I would have imagined the Blue Jays might have had to do to get into that realm where it's a alright it's kakuchi and bat maybe that's Turner obviously for Astros that makes less sense than it did for the Mariners but I would have thought it was multiple pieces being added together to kind of get you to that level the fact that it's one piece yes the best piece you're going to trade it we think presuming like Bassett or Gosman or something doesn't go that I think that you were able to do that that's the other part of it is like perception should not be everything but for a front office that is certainly struggled with that I think that is the flat out just easiest most digestible part of this to understand maybe for some people it's the hey two of these guys played in the major leagues for a non sad sack franchise this year the other thing I think about this and you know projections we'll see what happens with them but what would you call you say kakuchi you'd call him a middle of the arm rotation or a middle of the or a middle of the rotation starter I think that's what a lot of people would refer to me as yeah the worst team he could be you know you're two or something like that but he's not an ace on most teams he's not a two he's firmly middle of the rotation guy and that is very much possible what they got in Jake Bloss this team needed a win in such a big way and it didn't feel like it was going to come at this point in time with the Vladi extension just because why would you do that at this point in time and they needed it and they got it in this trade and throw in the fact that they were just able to be busy throw for the you know the matter of perception as well they weren't seem to be throwing all these guys overboard at 559 today where they go okay we got to have a going on a business sale everything's got to go here they seem to be they seem to have done a good job by not jumping the market everybody's been busy the fast few days but not being the kind of last one without a chair at the end of this thing either I do wonder if that has anything to do with the plan before 6 o'clock tonight not necessarily with the guys they got back in the Astros deal because those are the type of prospects that you're that you were hoping against hope if you were a Blue Jays fan that they could acquire the deadline guys that are immediately going to be called up to the major leagues and give you reason to watch baseball games frankly the rest of the season and I think Jonathan Class A with his speed ability and the offensive upside yeah that's exciting Jake Bloss with his upside that's exciting but the other guys some of the lower minors guys maybe some of the higher upside is I wonder if getting your work done early with still 12 hours to go as of this moment a little less than 12 hours to go whether there's a you know getting a head start on your off season work still the calm that there might be some some addition for the Blue Jays as well as some selling off of no offense Trevor Richards yeah I could I could easily see that happening I think regardless you've already got ahead of some of the work of next year and not that these guys are you know penned in at all but you have three guys who it's entirely possible are on your kind of 26 man roster next year for like I said for a team that is going to have to fill whatever you think the number is there's a bunch of holes that need to be filled on this team going forward for next season and maybe those guys don't offer permanent solutions but they go out on needing you to overspend to kind of fix a problem with as we saw at the free at the end of free agency last year no perfect solutions right we went over this with all the guys the Giants of God and what Bellinger God and in Chicago so I think you get away from that the other thing is again from a perception standpoint and maybe it's not just perceptions from living with the reality but they've already the Blue Jays have in the last six years traded away a World Series MVP winner in Steve Pierce so it's like how much worse can it possibly get and say what you will about Santiago Espinal the All-Star I think it's entirely possible you're gonna like what they got in return here it's just a little bit more yeah you know it's I I am on the belief that I know the executives they'll always say hey we wanted to be win-win we want the player that we traded away to be just as good as the return we got in trade yep but I think fans want that fans don't necessarily want that and and I couldn't help myself but but retweet the results that Nate Pearson had yesterday and it's not necessarily a shodden Freud thing is what what it is is like I don't want the singing frog effect to take place where it's like we saw what Nate Pearson is yep we know we can throw upper 90s the idea that he arrives in Chicago with the Cubs team that apparently targeted him and fulfills the promise of one of the best prospects that the Blue Jays had at the time and one of the the top pitching prospects in baseball when he was coming up as a professional pitcher I don't want him to for for people to say what were you talking about with Nate Pearson he's spectacular right I think the perception or or the thinking I have around Nate Pearson is very different than the one I have around you say Kikuchi like honestly I'm being honest here okay I wish him well okay I I hope he does fulfill the promise that the Astros hope he fulfills I hope he doesn't allow another earned run the rest of the season I hope you say Kikuchi is hoisting the tremendous the commissioners trophy over his head and is the World Series MVP mm-hmm I hope that okay it won't impact this at all I agree it will not because if that's the case and the Blue Jays believe that that's the guy going forward and they can meet his market demands and the obvious they go get him he's a pending free agent that's another part of it like Nate Pearson is still a routine control beyond this year I don't care Nate Pierce Nate Pearson different story yes you say Kikuchi have a Hall of Fame couple of months for the Houston Astros win a World Series what do I care no I think you nailed it with there's different rules about this for for different guys Nate Pearson is at that point still where and again like this is nothing personal but you would hate to see him find it and I got to be honest I'm I'm much like you I don't I don't overly worry about him finding it in Chicago but you would hate to see a world where next year he is a you know key seventh inning man for the Cubs in some run that they go on or something like that that would feel very different because it would feel like you jumped too early there is no such thing as having jumped too early on you say Kikuchi maybe if you would traded him way early in the season you just completely punt it on the year it would have been the case but at this this juncture there was no way you could have been seen as making a mistake to move off him it doesn't matter what he does I think the one difference is that if he goes out and performs in an obscene way it takes him out of the market I think for the Blue Jays because I also think they have a realistic understanding of what the player is and I still think there's a world where he goes nuts the last two months he's a key playoff cog that completely changes his market and I think the Jay is just like given everything we've understood about this front office they're not going to be sheepish with money by any means but they are going to be kind of pragmatic about it so that's that's the only thing if you're somebody who loves you say Kikuchi more than any other and you're happy to do the like hey you got to let him free and see if he comes back again if he does perform that way in Houston I think that big time impacts his ability to come back not that the Jays wouldn't do it if they thought it was the right move but if that was the case there maybe would have been some thought into talking extension beforehand or anything on those signs yeah he's 33 years old as well so yeah his is is free agency is a separate story and yeah the last couple of months here and into the postseason are is going to impact it you would think significantly all right the Blue Jays also split a couple of games in Baltimore to start this O's series yeah the results are obviously secondary for this team yesterday the rest of the season let's they keep winning and it's true and and they become they have already become a much more watchable team because of the projectable players because of like the the curiosity that exists with some of the young players and we're starting to get a better sense of yeah how Spencer Horowitz might fit into this team long-term Addison Barger for me is the one prospect that I'm I'm most like rooting for sure because of his potential power upside and and hitting one of the hardest hit home runs Blue Jays have hit this season for his first of his career yesterday yeah he's very tools like he just he he's very tools he but he also looks like just a young power hitting stud like and this has just been something the Jays have lacked kind of the and it's forever going to be the thing that I think people most looking forward or most looking for because it reminds them of the Jays teams they last loved the most like say what you will about this group and there were certainly been moments in the Marcus Simeon season was fun but everybody still goes back to 15 and 16 and they did that by mashing yeah got a mash and Vlad is mashing holy cow well we'll talk a little bit more about Vlad later on in the show but I updated his ranks when it comes to some of his offensive numbers before the second game of the double hitter a second game of a double hitter in which he went four for five with three doubles and and a and a home run uh it's pretty good and now the OPS over 900 like Vladimir Guerrero junior is already this season a top 15 player in baseball when it comes to OPS we can all agree Yorda and Alvarez is one of the best offensive players in baseball right like you love to have him holy cow and he gets all comers like holy cow Yorda and Alvarez what an absolute superstar stud he is Vlad's basically got the exact same numbers now his OPS is 904 Yorda and Alvarez is 917 Yorda and Alvarez has 20 home runs Vladimir Guerrero junior has 21 home runs Vladimir Guerrero junior is hitting 311 this season Yorda and Alvarez is hitting 299 like this is and and the season is not over if this does continue we're we're like the OPS plus is going to be almost right there in line with 2021 Vlad II second in the American League MVP race because the offensive environment is what it is and considering he's not doing this in joke ball parks it's it he is fulfilling the promise right now and is it an interesting time for him to be doing so in which the games don't matter sure that's a separate conversation but right now you can't argue with the results Vladimir Guerrero juniors having no I don't think you I don't think you can I think you know I've heard all the discourse as well about mmm second the pressure is kind of off he seems to really kind of kind of take off I think you just have to give him credit for what he is doing if this was a you know a two week thing and we certainly talked about it differently when it appeared to be mmm little surge from Vlad II like this and it feels like every week it's kind of gone on beyond that there seems to be more people believing and believing and buying in it and I think the other thing as well is that when you have a player who has the track record he has of minor league success and then what he did in 2021 and the age that he's at now it does let you believe that something has clicked that's this a different version of the player now do I think he is going to have this is his career baseline going forward no I don't I think this is an incredibly nice run from Vlad and I think he can reach heights pretty close to this but I also think that this is you feel differently about it when it's him doing this versus quite frankly anybody else on the team if Bishette was doing this it would look a little different and you believe it because of the track record that he has but if this was honestly anybody else you'd be waiting for the other shoe to drop you'd be waiting for the streak to end and with Vlad right now I'm at least of the mindset of like the opposite let's see how long he can keep this going and then most importantly eventually he's gonna cool off a little bit because everybody goes through a slump in baseball what does he look like kind of coming out of that I think that's just as much of a question as how much are you buying the stretch from him now about in frances is a capable major league starter Blue Jays need him to be like capable very for them to get more than they got out of Yariel Rodriguez yesterday which is like that's the you know it's part of the growing pains of becoming a major league starter and he was optioned back down to AAA and and we won't see him for at least another start because he has to be down there for 10 days but Bowden frances just being like yeah an option as a fifth starter or a sixth starter or a seventh starter big for him to allow only three earned runs in five and a two thirds against the Baltimore Orioles huge huge job by him great job by James McCann as well play a baseball game with I don't know a broken nose stuff yeah also just another thing like not not that I don't commend the toughness good job I love it but nothing has ever crystallized for me the sharing of a mindset of catchers and goalies like they just got to be a little different little off not overly surprised that he acts that way mm-hmm it was a it was a big contrast to my eight-year-old son who departed his hockey practice yesterday because he heard he bumped his knee into the boards I mean there was only 10 minutes to go in the practice but clues are starting to come together and I'm in a tough spot because like I don't want you to like hide injuries of course yeah you don't want to like re-injure yourself of course like there is like I told him there's there's a lesson to be looked like there is there's there's valor in for sure and not showing everybody how hurt you are and like downplaying an injury if if it's not like significant which it wasn't he bumped his knee into the boards I have the I have a kind of opposite problem where my kids just like a pinball and everything and so whether it's hockey whether it's ball hockey whether it's soccer whatever constantly all the other coaches are running over and going like oh are you okay and I am just I look like the most psycho parent ever constantly just screaming from across the field hey spy leave him alone get up but that is what I want I'm not gonna lie so yeah that's what I want as well I know but there's a line you don't want to be the one who's just like banging on the glass up up you got it no no you don't want to be that guy no no but I think yeah you see your children uh enough and you understand the reactions enough a hundred percent that's that's why I know you get diagnosed the screams and whales yeah of which there are many mm-hmm uh yeah you know what's legit and and and what's not for sure one thousand percent all right when we come back couple of gold medals for Canada in Paris yesterday and a huge matchup for the amends basketball team this morning and less than an hour poop river is poop rivering yeah uh delight uh the triathlon because of uh e coli which is poop back bacteria yeah all right uh that and more next the fan morning show continues bed and it's brand gunning sports at five ninety the fan dive deep into toronto sports and the nfl the jadie bunk is podcast subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts good morning show sports at five ninety the van and i just bring down seven thirty this morning canada i guess australia in men's olympic basketball is the canadian men trying to stay undefeated uh spain playing greece right now and jon is getting it handed to him it looks like his greek squad is gonna be oh and two they're down eight points as they play with a couple minutes to go in the fourth quarter again nothing like live sports during the morning shows just gonna say not a winner you know where's he been since that title you are you know you are as good as you're mostly some recent performance and i don't know what's what's happened to be honest the fall too early uh first of all probably yeah too much too soon for you honest perhaps um smoothies you mentioned it poop river poop river the the send after like hundreds of years of it being banned to swim in the river spending over a billion dollars to clean it up yeah barely took more than that mhm maybe two billion dollars would have done it yeah but uh no they were supposed to have the the men's triathlon today postponed to tomorrow no obviously a day is enough to apparently you know what they you know what had that happened they were listening yesterday and they're like god why didn't we think to put a net on one end and a filter on the other like right and toronto said yeah like it just takes one day i don't know why they didn't start with the second obviously they were listening live and they heard that idea i don't know why they didn't start right away but i i would imagine that's how it's getting fixed i will not dig into this any further so i can live in this state of being right yeah or like a big sponge or something buddy that's a great idea why didn't you give me that yesterday i i thought it was a little too similar okay anyways filter and sponge very different like sponge well the only problem is is like then the other water comes out i guess filter now we're back to my idea being the okay yeah okay yes filter also uh layla anti-fernandez in action right now and i believe the third round uh she just got broke by angely kerber so you know i'm not saying she can't come back but she's in tough doubt three yeah okay you got something different on your TV i was wondering you're referencing live basketball and i'm like there there is no shots to you know any tennis but i kind of want to put on some basketball now all right we got gold medals yesterday yeah first of the games uh christa daguchi picking it up in in judo and then summer macintosh her first gold after picking up a silver i don't know if you watch that race i made sure i got to my television in time to watch it this is the event that she set the world record at yes in the canadian trials she very much looked like the world record holder that was a joke hmm she won by almost six seconds i was mixing in a big morning show nap well that happened my wife was she was working from home yesterday don't tell anybody she might have went snuck in a little tv watching while she did that and uh she alerted me to the whooping that took place uh courtesy summer macintosh okay so i i do think there's too many medals in swimming wait okay it just there's there's too many strokes and michael falp saw the medals that he won ryan lockedy like it's just overkill a little bit too many stroke you you hit on something so pertinent with too many strokes like you can narrow it down a couple but here's the thing there are a couple of legit true blue events like obviously freestyle come on yeah it's the sprinting of the sea eat eat well and it's just like pool but sounds better yeah but it's also yeah listen if you don't want to do a crawl you want to invent your own little swim whatever do you go the fastest however you want go nuts that was an event in which summer macintosh picked up her first olympic medal the silver medal and then yeah if you're gonna do the different strokes do them all that's what you won yesterday individual medley 400 meter individual medley shut out to summer macintosh who we all expected to be the not the breakout star of these games because she was there three years ago in tokyo as a freaking 14 year old insane so she's 17 now and and when it's all said and done maybe going to be this country's most decorated olympic athlete so like she's very much on our radar but yeah the conclusion of these games i think everybody expected her to be flying the flag does she already feel like the the star that we expected after these two weeks i think she is the most olympic star and what we feel we expect when we get to the olympics i i think that given i think that given the storytelling nature of things and that i ultimately expect this not to end with a gold i still think she'll just alexander has the chance to be the megas and it's not a breakout star but it's a breakout canadian star turn of what i think you'll you'll kind of see if the basketball team and again they're in action and i don't know 45 minutes time here if they do what they are capable of whereas this is just your classic olympic tail we're used to this if you flip it around to the winter olympics yeah we're all excited for hockey every time it rolls around but figure skating it is just as much a part of what we do our short track speed skaters all of that and i think that it is just what you think of when you think of the olympic games and like again i got tennis on top or on my tv right now and no shots to laylanny franandez but she doesn't feel like an olympian she feels like a pro tennis player that i see on my tv all the time star mackintosh is different i think especially you know given all the scandaling going around the the canadian olympic committee with the soccer and all that i think that that is the most like rosy picture they can paint so yeah she absolutely has the like i i think you want the middle not the inside but it's like she has the inside lane on this yeah i mean speaking of the scandal though i guess the wheels of justice move much quicker in sports than they do in in in real life because so canada soccer is appealing their six point deduction for the drone scandal yeah the challenge and the appeal will be heard today at the court of arbitration special olympic court in paris well i guess this is like so it's set up for these exact instances during the olympics so they can get this thing done they're going to have a result of this appeal tomorrow just good because they actually wrap up the group play with a match against columbia tomorrow um i wonder if this okay so like they're not gonna play this clip but i wonder if this sentiment will be used as part of this country's defense of its use of drones in spying on new zealand in preparation for their first game of the group stage here is american tyler atoms on a podcast yesterday just so real thing uh because canada's essentially being accused of of of spying on teams and their training and it seems so absurd given that you know they seem like a decent program uh but what when you first sort of heard of this what will you your first uh reactions i mean listen every team does it i know for a fact every team does it at in some capacity i don't know i don't know about drones and like that seems that seems a little bit crazy yeah there's always people when you train in stadiums the day before games or whatever someone will be acting like a worker and they're like really working for a different federation or something like it happens it happens consistently i'm positive of that it's like by that janitor got a telephoto lens on his glasses so there you have it i mean you mentioned did he a drug but yesterday he said yeah subterfuge like spying having uh some inside information on the opposing team's preparation that's not unusual tyler atoms said like explicitly before he clarified with the drone thing he's like every team does it again not excusing the use of drones and what canada did but the idea that you go from a thing that okay is not accepted practice but understanding that that's kind of part of the the gray area of sport to what i'm sure they thought was an elimination of canada from this olympic women's soccer tournament they thought it was a death sentence let's put this team of ways so we don't have to talk about them anymore and just because of the strength and the intestinal fortitude of the players they have a situation against columbia where a result in three points especially probably does put them through to the group stage and then everything's behind them yeah that you slap them with what was again expected to be a super severe punishment mm-hmm i wonder if i mean two-fold things are true okay one going into this appeal today the fact that they won those two games ends are still going to get through whether it makes it easier for them not to to accept this appeal and to let the the results stand and two whether like you know the the accepted again drones not accepted but the idea that this is not unusual what they did whether that impacts their their hearing today yeah there's been a lot of talk about the idea that it is pretty commonplace for teams when there's kind of set up in a new location you know be it they travel for a game or they're in a different country or whatever to kind of run a dummy practice the first time they're out there just in case anyone is watching i don't know why people would stop watching after the first one like oh god it this is a well understood practice got it we can all leave now so i don't i don't wholly understand connecting the dots on that one but again i'm taking people at their their value here i think you nailed it with the fact that they expected this to be a death sentence the team to be spiraling the coach not to be allowed there the assistant coach is gone the person who reports to an assistant coach but isn't accredited but has a bio on the website gone and they just expected that be a death sentence they'd lose one of those games they'd have no hope and that would be that i think the only reason this appeal is being heard or happening in the first place is because they won the two games i i really do not know what to expect when it comes to fifa and the ioc like you could not pick two bodies in sport that you would have less of a coherent read on it any given point and time i mean like you know this is the fifa regime that once famously had some guy come up and throw money it's set bladder and or maybe it was the infantino guy and it really doesn't matter one of the big makari maks at fifa like throwing dollar bills at him to protest the bribes that they're believed to again like who knows whether that's true or not but it is a well understood corrupt org quite frankly like there have been legal cases against them and then you throw the ioc into it all i have no idea what read to take on this if i had to guess i'd bet the appeal is i i would bet the decision is overturned and then canada's through to the next round and we kind of move on is is actually how i expected to play out but i mean expecting what to expect from those two orgs who knows yeah would have helped if the co of the canadian olympic committee didn't say yeah i think our 2021 gold medals tainted yeah like might have helped maybe keep that to yourself especially if there is an appeal on the horizon it also should be noted that they're only appealing the six point deduction not bad preseman and the other two assistants no i don't know we're happy to cut out well i think that i actually think that we don't have to pay them for a year like sounds good sick might be able to sue them sick i think the other thing that goes into it as well is that with the appeals uh with the appeal of that is that yeah it's just the results like you should be able to do that the preseman thing of it all i also think the idea that you you throw in what this group has kind of overcame the fact that they're the defending champs and i don't know in a lot of sports the defending champs everyone coming out and saying yeah this isn't really as big of a story as we kind of made it out to me i think that all would bode well in their favor but again with these orgs i do not know what to expect i also have way less i think the canadian olympic committee person coming out and saying oh yeah this is terrible this is tain that should all be taken at face you and i talked about it the other day that the government has already come out and been like we're taking away funding some government looking for a pr win well why they thought that would be one i'll never understand but some government looking for a pr win should not be taken into this but you absolutely can take the olympic committee's ceo or chief or whatever they they call them at the at the top of course you should take their words into account in the appeal like i i say routinely when it comes to these punishments is what is the result that makes the fewest number of people mad i i think the fact that they've won these two matches and still have a chance to advance against columbia in a match that they should be favored in tomorrow i mean leaving it as is and saying appeal denied how bad are you gonna feel as a canadian sports fan um if in fact they advance against columbia but i also think like yeah maybe lapping in half three-point deduction mmm i mean we are only talking about what they're actually being punished for spying on new zealand yes a couple of different times but one country in one match well okay i think you also have to take in to forget what the canadian olympic chief said but the people involved in this like jesse marsh having to denounce this at coppa i don't know that you should punish the women's team for that but i also don't think you can kind of brush all that stuff aside if you think it's valid enough to punish then punish them if that is actually what you believe but i also think this should be a bit of a precedent setting case for fiefa like okay everybody's come out the looking at teams and the subterfuge and the oh it's nika guy in there who looks like he's sweeping up and he's really watching everything if it's just the use of drones that is the the the line in the sand that you cannot cross let's get this all in front of us now like find out what is what is allowed and i think that this is part of the thing that's tough for a sports fan we love the idea we hate it when an official has to make a call on it but we love love the idea of gray area i love hearing all these old stories about oh the visiting bench i forgot if it's higher or lower but it like makes the lactic acid build up in your legs faster and that's like a disadvantage now do i think teams should do that no but i also love hearing those kind of old-timey stories we've always had this of like where's the gray area what's getting an advantage what's just trying what's cheating set your line in the sand let us know what is allowed here i think that's the other thing that should kind of come out of this yeah i'm going to but it should yeah i mean doing the thing that even if it wasn't spying on somebody's practice but is illegal either way flying a drone during restricted tower space tough tough tough you know that that one like we just know from a legal perspective not allowed anyways okay when we come back blue jay's getting there work done a lot of it early before tonight six o'clock trade deadline and i guess it's Ross Atkins pulling the trigger does that portend something as far as his status was with this team at the end of the season that more next of the fan morning show continues, Ben Dennis, Brent Gunning, Sportsnet 590, the fan.
