Kap & J. Hood
7/29 8 AM: Jesse Rogers
[MUSIC] Time for shot or no shot, brought to you by ESPN Betna Live in Illinois. Sign up today and the users get $100 in bonus bets with any sports book. Betna said good morning to Shay, Winger, Norman. >> Good morning. >> But a weird middle name. >> What are we doing? Who name gives a kid a middle name after Deborah Winger? >> It's not, it's a family name. We've been over this. It is not Deborah Winger related. >> Okay, whatever you say, how are we feeling on a Monday? >> We're good, man. >> Good. >> What's going on? >> I got close family friends, the Winger. So don't let him give you any crap. I'm telling you, this guy, he's ridiculous. >> That's it. >> All right, let's get started, shot or no shot. An interesting story over the weekend, Bob Nightingale reporting a name as the potential next manager of the White Sox, AJ Przinski. Nightingale reported Przinski as a quote, serious candidate for the White Sox managerial gig assuming feels like a certainty they move on from Pedro Grafel at the end of the season. Przinski has no managerial experience, but obviously had a stellar career on the field for the White Sox. So shot or no shot, AJ Przinski would be a good manager for the White Sox. >> Look, if they had a team that was ready to win, could AJ do the job? Yeah, I like AJ. I've always had a very, very good relationship with AJ. I like him very much. >> AJ taken over a team that's coming off the historically worst record in the history of baseball. I don't know how that would play out. He wasn't the easiest guy around the ballpark for the front office to deal with when he was here. Now, he's matured and he's really good at his media work. You're going to drop him in on a team that's going to finish up the track. You're not going from 38 and whatever to, hey, they won 90 ball games during the playout. That's not going to happen. They don't spend money like that. >> The answer here though, Kev, has to be shot because anything is better than Pedro Grafel. >> I don't disagree there. >> Anybody. It just just drop Przinski and if he's terrible, go to the next person. >> My question for everybody is why not, if you're going to run AJ back, it's run Ozzy back. Why not just throw Ozzy back in there? >> He wouldn't take it. >> He wouldn't take it. >> No. >> Why would anybody want this job though? >> I think he's, Ozzy even said on the air, because somebody went to their post-care pregame show, him and Chuck, and asked, would Ozzy take the job? And Ozzy said, I was in it last time and I think I'm done. >> His wife has said, you're done. >> I do not want you managing. No, it's not what I signed up for. I'm done. We're on the grandkids and we're not doing it. >> If you're the white Sox, it can't possibly be worse than this year. So who cares who it is? Just try somebody else out and see- >> Oh, they're going to fire Pedro, that's a guarantee. >> Well, absolutely. But okay, Przinski or anybody else, sure, give him a year to see what happens. It is the most embarrassing organization that there is. And the fact that Jerry said in that press conference that part of the reason he hired gets this because it would take so long for somebody else to learn the organization is one of the most laughable quotes in the history of Chicago sports. >> There you go. The fact that AJ ruffled feathers with the front office, am I crazy that that actually makes him a little bit more of an attractive candidate to me? >> I'm not talking about the baseball side of things. >> I understand what you're saying, but I look at AJ and I see a guy who's been publicly critical of the owner and historically ruffled feathers with people in that front office when he was a player, at least it would be a conflicting voice in the organization. They have been so inside the box. And so people who will be respectful and do things the White Sox way, AJ feels like a break from that. I would at least like that they're going outside of their usual path with hiring. >> Yeah, look, you'd have to pay him a significant amount of money to get him out of the broadcast booth. And again, I think he's really good at that. I just don't know what bringing him in here, him in here does, if you're not going to spend big to try and turn the thing around. And they just don't do it. The biggest contract in White Sox history is Andrew Ben and Tendi for 75 million. And you think the colors are cheap? What is that team? >> Well, I lived it with their basketball team. So I've seen it, nobody who has lived in this city or followed these teams is surprised by the issues that the White Sox continue to have. Because when you are run by the rise doors, historically, they're not going to spend at the same level. And, Cap, I listen to you guys all the time. That always is what the White Sox problem seems to be, hoodie says it over and over. It all leads back to money. You're not going to spend the same way. And if you're a fan of that team, why would you go out of your way to put the financial support behind them when you know it's not a two-way street? >> Nick, you actually led me to something interesting. You said they're the most embarrassing team there is. So an impromptu shot or no shot because we talk so much about the Oakland A's and how bad of an organization they are. But I was just reading in the last 106 seasons. The White Sox have won where they won a playoff series. One season in 106 tries that they've won a playoff series. Shot or no shot, the White Sox are the worst organization in baseball. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. >> Do you mean the A's? The A's have won one player? >> The White Sox have one season where they won a playoff series in 106 years. They won three in 2005. That is the only season since 1917 where they won a playoff series. >> I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, because the A's have won. >> Yeah. A's won multiple world series. >> The White Sox are a complete joke. I think they're right on par. They're right on par with the A's. >> Wow. That is like I never really like I know that they have won a lot in the post. That's stunning when you put it in those terms. >> In 2005 is the only season since 1917 where they have won a playoff series. >> The only thing I'd say having Shay having lived out there for a few years, John Fisher is completely ridiculous. The owner of the A's because he has actively tried to push them out of there like major league style. He wants them out. He's been trying to get them to Vegas. The one thing you can say about Jerry is that he's been loyal to Chicago, but it's at the detriment of the city because the way he runs these teams has not been conducive to winning over and over and over again, decade after decade. >> I'm believable. >> Shay. >> All right. Monte sweat had to be removed from bears practice this weekend after making contact with Caleb Williams. It's actually not the first time that he's done this. He made contact with Caleb previously in a camp practice stripping Caleb on a strip sack. And I guess the report was that he pointed to himself. He took some blame for it. He knew he shouldn't have done that, but he's living on the edge of these rules. He's going full board, giving seemingly close to maximum effort at camp. So shot or no shot. This is actually a good thing from onto sweat as long as he doesn't hurt anyone. I mean, again, are they going full bar, trying to get to the quarterback and kill him? Probably not. So look, he's a stud. He's an outstanding football player, and they're lucky to have him. And lucky that they were able to get him extended for 98 million. So a good thing, yes, no, it's not that it's not that big a deal. They didn't crush the kid, meaning Caleb, but I think it's good for either. It's just that he got his, his message across, but I don't think it's a big deal on the whole. I don't either. Shay. All right. Well, Ryan pulls was featured in a damn weirder article detailing his plan for Caleb Williams, saying that he has to train Caleb to be more than just a quarterback. He has to train Caleb to be a CEO. Ryan Paul said when he took a GM job, nobody trained him to be a GM. He had to figure that out. He had to learn to lead people and he put quarterback in that same upper echelon of figureheads with the organization saying you have an owner, you have a president, you have a general manager, you have a head coach, and then you have a quarterback. My question, shot or no shot, Caleb Williams is more important to the franchise than all of those roles, man, that's a shot because he's so, so important to everything going forward. But I've always believed the guy who picks all the players and puts the whole thing together is just about as important as anybody in the organization. Cap, Shay, it's a shot because if you don't have the right quarterback, you have nothing. You can't win at any level of football without having the guy in place and cap, it's what has scared me in listening to all the hype around this Bears team right now is because absolutely it's warranted. I watch Caleb Williams at USC, he looked awesome, but I don't know if that's going to translate and I certainly don't know if it's going to translate right away. It might, and he might be that great immediately, but he might not be. I mean, everybody guys who have come through here with all the hype in the world and they never were who everybody wanted them to be. So if you don't have a quarterback, you don't have anything, especially in the NFL, all the rules, they're great in theory and on paper, but they have to be in practice and you've got to have the right guy pulling the trigger behind center. Agreed. But it's tough, man, Paul's, Paul's has put this whole thing together. So they're both important shape. The goodwill we talked about last week with hoodie of Nate Davis practicing in full to open camp. He showed up, he went full bore in the opening practice. That's all gone. Nate Davis is currently listed day to day and Matt Eberflu spoke bluntly about the need for players who are available. Yeah, availability is everything right in this league. And so you got to be available to practice, you know, you got to be able to go through hard in terms of, you know, doing hard better during training camp. And that's all part of preparing for the first part of the season, you know, to be able to do that to call us yourself, you know, that's your individual responsibility to the football team. I mean, you're not out there. Guess what? That doesn't happen. You know, so availability is important at every position, you know, and sometimes guys get injured and that's the way it goes and there's some things you can do, but they have to get back as fast as possible because to me, there's a lot of competition on this roster. I might be reading into things, but that sounds like a very fed up version of Matt Eberflu's who's kind of sick of dealing with Nate Davis always seeming to be on the sideline shot or no shot. Nate Davis is officially a cut candidate. I mean, to go from signing a $30 million deal before last season to a cut candidate, that's why you traded for Ryan Bates, which would put Coleman Shelton in at center. Does that put Connor Williams back in play as a free agent? Maybe I'd say it's a shot because if he can't get back on a field, they could absolutely send a message. Shay, I also think it's a shot and I say that because when you start hearing a pro code say anything to the extent of availability is crucial and you've got to be out there. That is code for we are pissed off that this player is not out there practicing. We need to find a better way. And when that starts happening, you get the messaging from a front office or a coach in that regard. Uh oh, if you're the player, yeah, no doubt about it. Uh oh, if you're the player, 100%. And the key is how he ended that statement when he says there's a lot of competition on this roster and captures mentioned all the guys you brought in that have an opportunity when named Davis isn't playing. Well, if Nate Davis isn't going to be available and somebody wins his spot, what does it do you to keep this guy on the roster who you can't count on when you need him? That's where I start to wonder if they're really sick of this dude. Could you just cut bait? What is the cap ramification? There's got to be some type of a pretty good cap and three for 30 cut post June 1st. They'd save that little over $600,000. Okay. So basically it's a non factor to your cap. Yeah, he's got 10.75 in dead money, but you actually save money against the cap. Just a very small amount by cutting him. If over the cap what I'm looking at here is is correct. So yeah, he's definitely cut a bull. Next year if you cut him, you get back 10 million. So maybe you just keep him his depth and then cut him in the off season, but that's probably what they do. They keep him now because there's no saving to it and someone would pick him up in two seconds. Yeah. And then after the season, that'll be all folks. Thanks. Get out. So there you go. You got one more or are we done? We're done. He's done. He preps to just a certain level. Three, one, two, three, three, two, three, seven, seven, six. We'll go around the NFL to staple here on the show. Next week, we'll go around the NFL. This is a really thickly built guy. We do it every day. It's time to go around the NFL, the National Football League. Here's Shane Orla. Big news over the weekend, a couple quarterbacks signed deals. Two attack of Ayloa signed a $212 million four year deal in Jordan Love, $220 million over four years. And listening in the afternoon, Carmen and Sylvie were on Friday reacting to this news. I felt like I was going nuts. Sylvie kept asking for nuance in the quarterback market. Am I crazy that nuance just shouldn't exist in the quarterback market because there are so few of them? And if you're a GM and you have a quarterback like Jordan Love or like Tua who has proven that they can play at a high level, get you to the playoffs and give you an opportunity to win, the replacement to that is garbage. If you don't keep this guy and you're going to have to pay them more than you want because of the nature of the market, you have nothing. You're forced into doing it, right? Like there is no room for nuance in the quarterback market. It's one of the few spaces and sports where you just start stuck paying them. So are you telling me it's business? Yes. Garrett Crochet's waiting outside to beat your ass. Garrett Crochet's not expiring in a year. No, no. It's business. It's business. You want to go try and win a championship? Pay the money that he has earned. Guess what? Or he says to you, I've gone way over my innings limit. Same thing with a quarterback. Jordan Love had them by the short hairs. And guess what, should he have gotten 56 million after one year? Absolutely not. But guess what? That's the price of doing business. Same deal with the pitcher. OK, but here's my here's my difference for you between an MLB pitcher and an NFL quarterback. If you don't get Garrett Crochet, you still have your fourth starter in the playoffs who might be like a four and a half ERA guy. If you're bald tonight, have to look up who it is. But if you're bald tomorrow, you'll live in getting Garrett Crochet and not getting Garrett Crochet will not be the difference in you winning a World Series. Having a quarterback is the difference between you being a four-win team and a twelve-win team. Still, you, these businesses, and that's what they are, businesses. And if they're making that kind of money that they can give Jordan Love or Trevor Lawrence guys who've done zero, the highest-paid quarterbacks, none of them have ever won a Superball. None of them. Not one. But that's the cost of doing business. Correct. That is correct. It's the most important position in pro sports. Agree. In any sport. All of them. Correct. Yeah, the highest-paid quarterbacks, Joe Burrow, no Super Bowl, Jordan Love, no Super Bowl, Trevor Lawrence, to a golf, Herbert Lamar, Hertz, Murray, DeShawn Watson, Kirk Cousins. You got to go all the way through like twelve of these guys before you get the Patrick Moms. Right. Right. So Patrick Moms is twelve in quarterback pay. Now that's probably going to change. I imagine a restructure is going to make his annual worth a little higher. Yeah. But also, it doesn't bother anybody. The reporting on Jordan Love's now the league's highest-paid quarterback, well, he's not. The total contract value is less than a lot of these, certainly less than the homes. He has the most contract value. His average new money per year that they write this out as is fifty-five million. But in reality, he's got a hundred and fifty million guaranteed, and seventy-five of it paid as a signing bonus. So his actual annual average earnings is going to be thirty-six million short of DeShawn Watson. The way this whole thing gets reported is funny to me, and it feels like it's not a conspiracy, but definitely a way to make people forget that DeShawn Watson got paid when he got paid and try to eliminate the fully guaranteed deal. Shay, welcome to the world of pro sports reported. Yeah. These agents. But I know that you are very well-versed in, but it's all about the agents and the spin game. I think it is a terrific point, though, to remind everybody just how atrocious that DeShawn Watson deal is. But it ties into what we're all saying, which is the market for quarterbacks in the NFL is unlike anything we've ever seen in pro sports, and it's only going to evolve and gain even more money as time rolls along. Because if you don't have a quarterback, and it's what the Bears feel like they have now, everybody hopes they have now, if Caleb Williams is the guy, the Bears are set up for a decade. If he's not a big uh-oh, and they've got to go all the way around again the way we saw him with Trubisky a few years ago and right back into the bad, bad times of being a team that doesn't have what it needs. Oh, no. Here, Jamie. Oh, no. I don't say that, man. No, Sam. Hey, we lived it. We did? You don't have the guy. You don't have anything. That's it. Shay. Any concerns for the Bengals, everybody's kind of penciled them in as being one of the best teams in the AFC with Joe Burrow back healthy, looking like a young M&M. And there is, for me, a little concern, and I think the cart's been put in front of the horse here a bit. Joe Burrow returning from his second injury shortened season in four years. Is he going to be available the entire season? I don't know. And Jamar Chase and Trey Hendrickson still have not practiced for the Bengals amid contract disputes. Jackson demanded a trade, said his intention is to be in Cincinnati, but they don't seem to want to pay him. And Jamar Chase isn't getting any reps with his quarterback because he's not getting paid. Is this really going to be the smooth sailing Burrow's healthy? So they're back deal? Or are you a little worried, Captain? I think it's absolutely an issue. It's so nice that there's none of this drama with the Bears. No drama. Everybody's in camp. Everybody's jacked up. Let's go. You better enjoy the moment right now because it'll never be like this again. Right, Kate Keenan Allen's in the final year of his deal. You go out and let's let's assume get wildly optimistic bears win 12 games. They make a run to the Super Bowl and maybe they don't win it, but you're like, all right, here we go. I want to get paid. Well, I don't have that room on my cap. Bears have traded so and so and they've released this one. What? Yeah. I think everybody begins to enjoy the moment for what it is right now because it'll never be this optimistic and the waters will never be this calm again with all the characters in play. Kate, your point about the bangles. Hell, yeah, you should be worried if you can't get everybody in camp and you can't find a rhythm, especially to start the season. That is a concern, but and this is where there's a big difference where the bangles are and where the bears hope to be. The bangles know they have the guy in burrow. He's shown it. He's gotten them to a Super Bowl. He's gotten them within a couple minutes of winning it. They just don't have the rhythm before camp that the bears have at the moment, but how far is that going to take them right now? Yeah. The great, great question. Kate. Yeah, the cowboys, I want to uncap your cowboys, in fact. Also having some issues, obviously CD lamb holding out, but they really badly screwed up the Dak Prescott thing. They should have paid all these guys years previously. They should have had CD locked up. They should have had Dak locked up. They should have had Micah Parsons locked up and instead they've waited out the clock on all of them. Now you have CD holding out of camp. Micah Parsons gets his deal, but Dak Prescott a year ago, you could have locked up for a fraction of what you're going to end up having to pay him because not only did you wait too long in the contract window, you have waited too long in the actual off season where you needed to do it. Jared Goff got his deal. Tua got his deal. Jordan Love gets his. Trevor Lawrence gets his. You're the last guy to sign and you have the most accomplished quarterback of the bunch. You're screwed. Any agent worth their salt should sit down across from Jerry Jones and demand a $60 million dollar a year payday and then it is totally Jerry's fault, 100% Jerry's fault. There's no question. An amazing thing is like if Caleb is that dude like three years from now they're going to be coming him going, you want to extend? Yeah, I need 80 million a year. Give me some more money. It's coming. It's coming. But he'd be worth it at that point. No question. If he's that good. 100% agree. Why is it that the Cowboys always screw up like this every time they have good players and they just want to wait the clock out and get the contracts done at midnight instead of figuring out your problems at 10 p.m. The. The anxiety goes up. The letter you don't address your issues. They are pro. They are homework procrastinators. Dude, it's crazy. They're the highest power. It is insane. And for a guy like Jerry to be like, I'm an owner, I'm a GM, I'm a president, I'm all of these things. Well, then guess what? The fault when you don't get these things done and now Dak's got your entire organization over a barrel. If ever there was a team that didn't have a cash flow problem, though, it's the Dallas Cowboys. I'm saying they're going to be just fine. No matter what, it makes no sense as much money as they make that they will not pay these guys when they should. They'll just print some more in the back and they've completely screwed this up with Dak. If you pay him a year ago, you're paying him, what 48 million a year and you're good. Now you're going to pay him 60, put yourself in cap Hell and it's all your fault. Not good. All right. We've got our French baseball correspondent, Jesse Roge joins us next. Why is he French? I don't know. The parents for the Olympics, ask his parents, we will get into what's going out with the cup of white socks and the other big deals around baseball next. If you missed something, get the podcast on the ESPN Chicago app and Jay Hood are back on Chicago's home for sports, ESPN Chicago. The erodgers, our guy. And now we've got to do a new segment on this station. Hey, did you hear this? That's a bad take on the wildland silly show. You know about all this Nick? I went back and listened to the segment, just so I had a frame of reference. So we were selling that thing pretty hard. It's a bad take. Yeah. And it wasn't a bad take. That's the best part. It wasn't a bad come on Jesse, Jesse Rogers brought to you by West Coast men's health, helping men with E D and chronic pain for the last five years in the Chicago area. Go to west coast men's health dot com. Jesse is on the car. It's higher and on a hotline. It's eat sock paratus is a Chicago cub. What did you think when that news broke? You know, it's funny cap. As I often do when the Cubs make a move, I thought of you and I'll tell you why because you've been asking me if Jed is going to make moves to quote, save his job. Now I don't think it's about that, but think about this, it really is a move for their short-term future compared to the Rays who made the move for their longer-term future, which is what the Rays do, right? Rays have no fans to answer to. So before we get jealous of everything they do, the Rays have no fans to answer to. They're over 500. They're ripping their team apart. But make no mistake, Hunter Biggie and Ty Johnson are majorly aren't majorly prospects. They are prospects. And of course, Morrell is a little bit more of a project. This is a more rounded, ready, you know, third baseman and offensive player. And so that's the deal. It's more for their short-term future compared to who they gave away, which would be for the longer term. Now, I'm not saying again it's to save his job or anything, but this gives them at least a better shot to compete a little bit better. Let's not act like Pratus is an MVP caliber player at this point, though he finished 18th in MVP voting last year and made the All-Star team this year, but he does have some warts. He does have some warts. I know some people are worried about his pole power at Wrigley Field. I'd rather have a pole fly ball pitcher from the right side at Wrigley than the left side. If you're trying to pull everything from the left side, that's a problem. From the right side, wind blowing out, you're going to get some home runs. I don't worry about that. So he's a better player than Morrell, but they did give up something for him. But at least it helps them in the short term. Jess, why didn't it work for Morrell here? You know, I've been on this kick lately about the Cubs trying to rebuild and compete at the same time cap. You know, I've said this to you the last couple appearances. And here's another example of a kid coming up in a situation where it looks like they're rebuilding, but that's not what they're really trying to do. They're trying to get in there as much as anything. You know, it took years for a half. It took years for a half to get going. Now Bush has exploded onto the scene. So it was like everyone's different, I just don't know if he really figured out the kind of hitter he wanted to be. Because remember, his walks to strikeouts did improve this year, yet the batting average didn't improve. Now he was a product of some bad luck, his bad bit was really low, but he just kind of was caught in between what he or maybe even the team wanted him to be. And they just couldn't afford the 500 bats with no pressure that some young players need. I worry a little bit about Pete Karamstrung in that situation, tons of pressure trying to win. You know, Rizzo came up in 13 and at all the time in the world to figure it out because they weren't trying to win. So everyone's different. I just don't think he figured out who he was in the long run, Nick. In terms of what else Jed could do between now and 5 p.m. tomorrow, you know, we heard a report from John Heyman Cubs are checking in on Blake Snell. That one makes no sense to me. What do you expect them to do? Mark Leiter Jr. Your guy has been magnificent nine innings since coming off the injured list as given up a hit or a run. Is he gone or are they truly going to go, all right, you know what? We're going to add on only guys that will be here beyond this season, but they still feel they can get the wild card. Where are they? No, look, council still feels like they can get into the wild card. But the moves Jed is making is I don't think he's thinking about this year at all. I think he's obviously thinking about as soon as next year. That's why you pick up Paredes and and and and ship out morale. I got to remind everybody I've said this to you guys a lot because I see a lot of people questioning this this trade yesterday, even just understanding it. I've said this to you a million times. This is pretend like this is November or December and the Cubs just made this trade. We'd be like, oh, OK, they traded third baseman. I was wondering the meaning in making the trade. Now, just this is another time of year that you talk to executives and sometimes you pull off deals for the now and sometimes you pull off deals for the future. Both the raise and Cubs pulled this deal off for the future. And I think that's his soul thinking right now in in Jed's mind. Now, if council ends up with a team that can still compete, great. That's a long way of saying, Cap, the only person, the only person I'd be surprised by if he's still here after tomorrow is Mark Leiter Jr. Look what these teams are getting for relievers. The raise got a good package back for a middle guy in Jason Adam. The Angels got a really good package back for Estebes. They're closer. There are prospects to be had for these relievers and Mark Leiter Jr. is a valuable commodity. There's still so many teams interested in picking up a bullpen arm, the Phillies, the Yankees. They were red. I mean, just about all the contenders still do, the Dodgers. I think Mark Leiter Jr. for sure will be traded. Beyond that, I'm not positive. As of yesterday, late yesterday, Jameson Tyen was still scheduled to make his start today. We'll see if that actually happens. And, you know, I'm sure Jed's working on some other things, but Leiter's the one guy to be really surprised if he was still here. Jess, is there anyone, the Cubs front office and Jed feels like is untouchable heading into five o'clock tomorrow afternoon? Untouchable. I think that right now they probably would not trade Casey or Shaw, and Horton's been hurt. And I don't think of them as untouchable because they're Chris Bryant and waiting. I just think that they're trying to build through their farm system, and they're not going to trade their best farm chips. From the major league team, probably just about anybody is, depending, like, you know, even Justin Steele, if the Orioles gave them Jackson Holidaying to us, like, yeah, I think anybody from the major league team just about is available. I don't think they want to trade their top prospects because they're trying to win through those prospects over the next few years. But I think anything's possible, Nick, when you look in the mirror and you see a team that's in last place that's underachieved. And so, yeah, I mean, who saw this deal yesterday coming? So I guess anything's possible. I don't think they want to trade their best prospects because that's the whole point. They're trying to win with them soon enough. But in terms of Niko Horner, like you've got James Trianos and Matt Shaw. Yeah. It's like Parades is now obviously your third baseman of the future. So are they willing to deal these two top prospects or they'll trade Niko Horner, who's a really good player, but he's not a star. He's a good player. Yeah. I think they're willing to listen for sure. And I think they have. That's why his name's been out there. It could be something they do in the off season as well. Again, all these things we're talking about could happen in the off season. My guess is they won't trade Niko by tomorrow, but I certainly am open to being wrong about that because you're right. They're trying to open some spots for these prospects and Niko kind of has a ceiling, at least offensively. Now, there's, you know, he's a gold glove second baseman. They don't grow on trees. So you have to replace that part of it. But yeah, Cap, I think that's an example is Nick saying like no one's untouchable, including Niko. You know, there's guys with contracts that make them hard to move, but Niko's not one of them. Just as far as the White Sox go, do you expect crochet to get moved before the deadline? I don't at this point. Again, could be wrong, but I don't. I know there were scouts there yesterday. I know the Padres were there for sure. I'm pretty sure the Dodgers were. Yeah, the contract situation definitely complicates things as we talked about on Friday. So I don't think he's going to get moved. The fact that he pitched yesterday tells me nothing was close. So let's go back to your first hour conversation. I thought it was a really good one. You guys with Shay talking about whether it's the right thing for him to advocate for himself for the extension or to shut him down and Shay talking about, no, if he gets traded, things could change. I think you're both a little bit right. I want to play this cut from Paul DeYoung because I think Nick and Cap, you were right about one thing. Times have changed and players advocating for themselves. It's a little different even from teammates. Here's Paul DeYoung, 10 seconds just yesterday. I think what he said about his demands is fair for a person in his situation who hasn't done a lot of innings. He's trying to protect himself in his career and please support him. That's not even a fellow pitcher saying it. That's a position player. And so think about this, if you, if the white Sox had a better team or he stays on the white, just take them at right now. If he stays on the white Sox, they are going to shut him down. They are going to shut him down at some point. So it's not like the team's not thinking of it. Let me go back to 2012. You remember Steven Strasburg? This was a huge deal. The Nats were the best team in baseball and they shut them down at exactly 160 innings and the Nats lost in the division series to the Cardinals three games to two. Shut them down to the point where, here's a tweet from October 2012, October 13th. So much for Washington shutting down Strasburg, they deserve to lose. That's one Donald J. Trump tweeting that October of 2012. It was a huge deal shutting down Strasburg. So, and that was Mike Rizzo, you know, it's never, it's never been changed probably. That was Mike Rizzo saying we're going to shut him down. And the quote from Strasburg was they're going to have to rip the ball out of my hands. And that's where I can, I can understand where she's coming from. We're not hearing crochet say that they get, they have to rip the ball out of my hands. Now maybe Rizzo was being the bad guy there. But anyway, there is a precedent and I understand him advocating for himself as well. Jess, we got to take a quick time out. I want to talk more White Sox with you and I have another Cubs question. So hang in there. Okay. You got all right. We'll take a quick time out. We'll come back and talk to the great Jesse Rogers next truth of the matter is you're listening to Captain Jay Hood on ESPN 1000 weekdays, 7 to 10 a.m., but it'll last a lifetime. It may only be three hours a day, but it'll last you a lifetime. We're rolling out with Jesse Rogers here on Captain Jay Hood. He's off back tomorrow, Nick Friedel, my guy is in here with us. Got Shay and Jay Moore. Jesse brought to you by West Coast men's health. So Jesse, staying on the White Sox side of things. I'm shocked they haven't done anything of substance yet at all. Like Chris gets able to stay awake for like 32 hours now. I am surprised to remember I was the one telling you around the all-star break, they're probably going to move early because they have so many deals to make, but this crochet situation complicated things. So that probably set them back a little bit. I mean, I guess it's looking more and more like Luis Robert won't be moved. Those teams are still kicking the tires there. After that, it is a lot of little stuff, right? You know, I know the pirates are looking at either Ryan Mount Castle or Tommy Fam. They need a bat. They only want rentals. So it's going to be one of those two, in my opinion, flexion is still out there. Elpec is interest, Brabia, you know, these aren't the biggest of names. So you know, those are the sort of names that can go at the last minute, which tells me he may do less than we thought, starting with that, that crochet thing. So yeah, that could come down to the wire. I think both teams are still going to be active over the next 24 hours. But I think a few of them, a few of the deals will be tomorrow, not today. Just looking ahead past the deadline, Bob Nightingale throws a Japresinsky's name out there, who is a fit for Grifal when he ultimately gets fired after the season? Yeah, I mean, I think Brabiainsky will make a good manager someday. I'm not sure I would put him at the beginning of a rebuild. I think he's probably too competitive for that, you know, you need a lot of patience. And if I'm him, like you said, Cap, I'd ask for five years at least because if you're starting over, you don't want to be just the point eight, a point B guy. Right. More like a Ricky Renteria type, you know, sort of that fatherly figure that's what mean. Renteria did well with the Cubs and Sox at the beginning of their rebuilds. Heck, bring him back. But if it's not him, someone liked that. What about Rossi? Yeah, you know, Rossi didn't do as well with young players. I think that's part of the reason he was he was booted out. That doesn't mean he can't the next time around. So I'm not sure if he'd be the guy, but maybe, maybe other people throughout Skip Schumacher a few years, a few weeks ago, he kind of makes sense as well. He's dealt with a young team in Miami for a few years, has a great reputation. So I'm with you, Cap. I don't know why Przinski would give up being the second guy behind Smoltz, this foul territory show that's grown, but competitive guys, you know, sometimes there's only 30 jobs I'm going to take it. I'm going to, but I would, I would say five years guarantee, you know, 10 million at least, but that's not something Jerry would do. So I think it's more of that fatherly figure that can grow a team, even if he's a 0.8, a point B guy. I'm not sure that AJ is that. I think he's better than that, to be honest. All right. So if the Cubs are to make another deal, give me a name that you believe other than Mark Lighter will not be here when they play tomorrow night. Yeah, it would be tie on. It would be tie on. And obviously if you scratch today, that would tell us a lot. It would definitely be tie on. And I'll tell you on the south side, I didn't even mention that, Fetty, Fetty would be the guy on the south side above all these other guys didn't even bring him up. So Fetty, I've linked him to Milwaukee for a long time. I think other people have reported Milwaukee. I still think he is definitely on the move. And I guess I would say tie on just because he's out there. Naris and Tyson Miller absolutely are getting interest. You know, Naris is complicated with his contract. So after Lighter, the easy answer would be another reliever. But if it's outside of that, probably tie on, especially if you scratch today. But that's kind of the more obvious answer. I mean, when Jed says he's working the phones and it's not just about a rental, that really does open up the entire roster as we talked about last segment, which is when a guy like Morel gets traded. So it wouldn't shock me if Niko moved. It wouldn't shock me if there's some other package that we can't necessarily see in front of us. But most likely it would be another reliever and or tie on. All right. Last thing. Is there a big name player, not in Chicago, that's out there like each sock parades, Vlad Guerrero Jr, Boba shit. Is there somebody out there that you go, whoa, the Cubs just got him for next year. Like I said, I don't see it. I don't see that person out there. And Paredis is not that big of a name. Let's face it. And it doesn't feel like they're trading Vlad in Toronto. Again, this is situation he's trading people potentially under contract team control and anything's possible. But I don't see it. I haven't heard any big name returning like big names are on teams that are contending caps. So it'd be really hard. The one thing would be one of the Yankees best prospects potentially, which is Spencer Jones or Jason Dominguez. But I don't see a major league star for major league star on the horizon for the Cubs. Have a great rest of your day. Get some rest and be had that phone charged. Absolutely. I'll be at White Sox the next couple of days. You should be interesting. Take care, boys. Hey, Jesse. Yeah. Even money that once the trade deadline's over, you don't go to guaranteed rate again until 2025. Oh, you should take that bet. You should take that. Unless they're about to lose their hundredth and 20th game, 120th game, then I will be there. What about 24th Street? Would you go for that? I'd probably any record setting number. Let's go. I would probably go. So come on, Jesse. Welcome back in on SportsCenter. Let's go to Chicago. Jesse Rogers is on the south side of guaranteed rate. It's way rougher out here than I thought. As the Sox go for their 24th of a row on the home of the Sox. ESPN 1000. See you, Jess. See you, boy. Swing for the lake. There you go. Swing for the lake. That was the freaking back. Come on, Jesse. It's a bad day. It's the best. I want to talk to you about Dan Weeter who wrote an article, the Tribune got a really good sit down with polls about the plan to develop Caleb. It's lengthy. If you ever read it, it's really worth reading. I want to talk about that with you when we come back.