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This is your morning routine. Listen to respect my mean cap and G hood. That's right. That's right. We're bad. Uh-uh. Watch the show on Twitch. Follow ESPN 1000 Chicago. Sweep the show on the ESPN Chicago app. And on in there. 100.3 HD2. And on ESPN 1000 Chicago. No, no, no, no. David Kaplan and Jonathan Hood. Good morning, everyone. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Bring them out. Whoop. Whoop. Oh, God. And welcome in to the cap and G hood morning show. Party ESPN 1000 and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. We've got Jay. We have got Jay Moore. We've got you for a three hour ride here on this Friday. Morning with open phone line for you. 312-332 ESPN-332-3776 is our telephone number. And cap, I will tell you at the beginning of the season, when we knew that this White Sox team wasn't going to be any good, I gave you the reveal right here in the studio of which team I was going to follow this year. And that was going to be the San Diego Padres. You know, you could find me a lot spending time on vacation on the West Coast when I'm not on the show. And I said, I need a team that I could just be able to follow. It was not going to be the White Sox this year, even though I'm a lifelong White Sox fan. You know that that fandom courted through my veins. But I just knew that this team would not be competitive to the point where this ball club is going to lose more than 100 games this season. So I gave you the reveal on zip the hoodie, bam, Padres. So of course, I'm following them on a daily basis. That was the best. I mean, yeah, absolutely. So I'm following them on a daily basis. And Shea reminds us, hey, Washington and San Diego is taking place at National Park. Dylan sees he's got a no hitter going. Oh, here we go. You turn it on and Dylan sees is able to get the second no hitter in Padres history. His slider was unbelievable. I had such a tilt on it. It wasn't even about his fastball. I was a slider. And but I'm so proud as a White Sox fan to see a former White Sox pitcher, be able to get that job done and not worry about pitch counting and ex-fip and all these other things. He goes, just give me the ball, shilt. Move out of the way. I got it. And you got a no hitter yesterday. So I was up at an espresso with my son, Brett. And he's like, dad, let's watch the White Sox game. We're going to watch baseball. We love baseball together. That's fine. But it's not you're going to tell them that's White Sox baseball. That ain't baseball. And I had money on the Padres. I said to you yesterday, I'm betting the Padres. The Padres. Yeah. So I had money on the Padres. I said, you did say that. I did. Because it was the first game on the on the slate. It was 1105 start. So I did the analytics that I had. And I'm like, Padres are going to beat them. I didn't think they throw a no hitter. But I said, they're going to beat him. So I look on my phone and I'm like, oh, Brett, he's got a no hitter in the sixth. Put it on, dad. And we put it on. Set it up right there on the table, eating our omelets. And we're not moving. We're going to stay there till that thing ends. And here we go, ninth inning. And they show the bullpen. There's somebody warming up for the Padres. Dad, they can't take him out. I said, that's if somebody reaches base. If they give, he gives up a hit. If he gives up a hit, they will pull him then. Because he's well over 100 pitches. But you could see his determination. There was no chance he was coming out of that game. And when they hit the ball the right field. First of all, he had that slider you're talking about with the tilt. Oh my god. He had one where it was spinning. But it ran away. I was like, what is that pitch? And they said, that's a different version of his slider. Exploded away. Got him, struck him out swinging. And then they hit the fly ball the right. And Brett and I are high-fiving. Some Padres, and we're high-fiving. It was so cool. Abrams to right field. Johnson coming in. He makes the catch. No hits for the Nets. Dylan C throws a no hitter. The second no hitter in Padres history. There'll be a sea of San Diego celebrating back home today. The great Don Arstillo on the call. Yeah. And C of San Diego. I would have thought it's a San Diego one. Yes. Remember in Anchorman? San Diegans. Super cool. I was overjoyed to see that. And just be able to watch that live. I was like, there's my guy right there, Dylan C's. And as I put, I think I put it on threads or on X someplace. I said, you know what? That's the greatest White Sox highlight of the season. Even though he doesn't impeach for the White Sox. It really was. Because you realize, you realize, Cap, that Dylan C's is a guy that still should be in a White Sox uniform with a contending team. You don't know that Chris Sale should be on this White Sox team. Being part like this old veteran that's still on the team, getting the job done. Here's a guy here. There's a betting favorite to win the Cy Young. The babyface assassin who I've called him, Ronaldo Lopez. A guy that was just sunk. Just a young pitcher. He said, ah, this guy just doesn't have it. Wold Penn Arm if best. And look what he's doing now. He has made the All-Star game. Think about those three pitchers, C's Sale Lopez. Now, yeah, that's part of woven in the fabric of the Chicago White Sox for years. And they're with other teams, getting the job done. That stinks. But it just shows you the development is right. But there's always something where Chris Sale, the disconnect between he and Kenny Williams. What? How does Kenny Williams win that situation? I don't care if Sale has a bad bedside manner. That guy could pitch. That guy was solid for you. Same thing with Dylan Cease. There's no way he should be pitching for my Padres. Absolutely not. He should be right there in the mix with a contending White Sox team. Lopez, young player. What do you say all the time? Don't give up on young players. Look what he's doing right now. So it just shows you that it doesn't matter if you get to a certain level. The White Sox are not a serious organization in which you have certain talent and there's a threshold. Kind of like the A's. You get to a certain level. Yeah, we can't pay them. We got to let them go. That's not right. It is Chicago after all. But imagine if you had paid, as you said, Cease and Garrett Crochet. And you've got some young arms coming and you just draft them. You had the makings of putting together a pretty damn good rotation. I mean, I'm not telling you you got to go pay one. Soto, Shohei, Otani, and Yasha, Nobu, Yamamoto. But my god, to be this bad, see? Look how good you had it though with a Cease. You got him at his apex. And then look at him now. That's a guy that still should be with the White Sox. Now, I'm not one of these guys, Cap, if you know me. I'm not one of these guys like, boy, you know, I wish, I wish, I wish, because you got to keep moving forward. You can't look backwards if you've got to move forward as an organization. But yet, the organization's moving backwards. What I'm saying is that a guy like Dylan Cease, throws a no hitter yesterday. His stuff, there was a time when he was at the White Sox. I would say on the air, the only guy that doesn't know he's got good, that he's got good stuff, is Dylan Cease. He was the only guy in the ballpark that didn't trust his stuff. As he grew in mature, he got better. Similar to Maddox when he first got here. Yes. Maddox had good wipeout stuff. But he was 6 and 18 his first full year. Yeah. And, well, I don't know about this guy's what people were saying. And I remember talking to somebody over at Rigley, and they said, "You could just watch this kid pitch and just need seasoning, it needs time." Right. "You don't give up on young kids and sell low." "You don't." And so it's going to come back again, Cap, with another cornerstone that could be for your franchise for the next 10 years in Garrett Crochet. The story is unusual in itself in that. He gets the ball at the last minute and is like, "You look around here, who could be the opening day starter?" Garrett, you do it. Me? Right. Never his work on that. I've never done that. What? I was shocked, he said. Yeah. Here, take the ball. And look what he's done with it, though, Cap. On a horrible team. Move the one lost record and some of the other numbers that seem inflated aside. That guy's doing work. And the White Sox have babyed him throughout all this. Yeah. I got to give you 6+ probably every start, but they're saving the arm for someone else. Okay. So now he is making it more difficult. He has requests. Now, he's not a 5 and 10 guy. 5 and 10 means 5 years with the same team. 10 in the big leagues, you can veto any trade. Kyle Hendricks has that. He doesn't have that. He's a baby. He doesn't have a no trade clause. They could literally trade him to wherever. And he has nothing he could say about it. Except he can have requirements. If you want me to keep pitching way beyond the number of innings I've ever thrown, here's what I want. And he's got a list. Good for him. And if people over at the White Sox don't like it, because he's going to make it more difficult on him, and we'll get into those requests, too bad. It's a freaking business. This is this kid's life. Yeah. If he blows out again, he's already had a Tommy John. It doesn't get the money. What are they going to say then when he's working at FedEx? Going, I didn't ever get paid. Yeah. Damn. Do you got to think about your future? His future. Yeah. I don't know if he's married, but if he's got a wife, if he's got kids, that's who he's got to be loyal to. Pitch your ass off and be a great teammate for the Chicago White Sox. And they've been good to him. But guess what? Either you pay him or you trade him somewhere that someone does. Because this is this kid's life. I'm all about Garrett Crochet getting taken care of. One way or the other, and it won't happen with this franchise. Unfortunately, we've already went through the names of Lopez and sale and ceases. And this is not one of those hindsight things, Cap. It's really, it's right in front of you when it comes to Dylan C's. It's not hindsight. The guy was pitching at a top level. The guy was at the top of the American League, let alone Major League Baseball, and he said, now we're good. Do you know how frustrating that is when you're in a big market like this one, my hometown, and you can't hold on to your talent because, well, money. What Ben and Tendi is at the very top of all the money that you've spent on one player for one contract that tells you all you need to know. If I wanted to live in Oakland, I'd find myself an A's cap and just walk around and green and gold every day. Right. That's not what we are, Cap. That's, I mean, because again, in this city, that's not good enough. It's just not. It's not good enough in LA. It's not good enough in New York. The idea that we have, we're going to go through this again with crochet, a guy that is, again, could be the face of your franchise and you're just going to move on. You don't have any cornerstones and that's a major problem. So as I do every day after I get off the air with you, you and I walk to the garage together. I drive over to the gym, I park the car, pay my parking, and then I go on a four mile walk before I work out. And I'm walking through the city and I'm going across the bridge on Michigan to Wacker and I'm looking up the river on both. I'm like, what a great looking city this is. And then it struck me. Carms tweet about how pathetic in 2024 our four teams are. Hawks, Bulls, Cubs, White Sox. And I cut a little video and said, are we still one of the best sports cities in America? I argue with you, we're not. It's my freaking hometown like yours. The White Sox may end up with the worst record in the history of baseball. The Cubs spent 200 and almost 30 million to run out of dead last place team in the NL Central. The Bulls, they're a train wreck. And the Blackhawks, they're irrelevant right now. They have counter-badard, but they are not even a playoff team. They're on their way. I hope, I hope, but we're there at today. It's embarrassing. You know what I always say, best sports city in America. Because we have great fans here, everyone's passionate. Our owners do not treat our fan base like they want to be the best in each sport. We just want to play big games in September. We just want to be a contender. No, I want to hear you say, I want to win a freaking championship again. None of them say that, why? It's not just recent. This has been a problem for decades. Right. You know, it was hard for Jim Henry to say on the record that you're trying to win a World Series. Wouldn't say it. Seriously, not on the record he didn't. It was hard for Jim to say our goal is to win the World Series. But it was more at Lynch before him. Still? Yeah. Well, that didn't say it either. Ed would never say. No. Jim made it clear that's what his goal was. But it's just embarrassing that we have this world-class city. I know we've got our issues, but it's a world-class city. With so many great fans. And not one owner has called the press conference and said, "Okay, I just want my fan base to know this. It's unacceptable that we're in dead last in the NL Central." I would love to have Tom Rickets do that. It's unacceptable. And I am going to hold people accountable here. And we're going to get this thing fixed. Because it's not about resources. We've spent plenty of money around here. We've got great facilities around here. We've paid a billion dollars to upgrade Riggly, the locker rooms, everything. And that's what we're getting. Unacceptable. And I'm as angry as you fans are. How come you don't do that? Well, the reason why it doesn't happen across the board in Chicago's sports cap is because it's hard to be able to relate to the fan base when you're looking through the tinted windows of your limo. That's why. There's a disconnect there between us and them. It certainly is. I don't care if they sit amongst us, like in the good seats along the fans. But mentally, and from a business standpoint, there's a divide. There's a disconnect. The fans don't know the business operation of what we're trying to do. They don't know. We are more privy now than we ever have been before about what happens in the front offices of all of these sports teams. It's wide open now. It used to be through columns before getting into the business. It's through columns. You hear rumor in your window. But there's always going to be that divide. We're going to do what's best for business. And then you have to take it because you're a fan. Where are you going? That's the arrogance. That's there between fan base and ownership. Hard for you to relate when I can't see you through my tinted windows in the back of the limo. Yeah, I just, you know, you don't agree. Okay, you're right. No matter what owners will tell you, you know them. You can have access to them. But mentally, there's always going to be, they'll come back. I don't want an owner who to educate me on the finances of the team. I'm not expecting the White Sox to sign show Hayo Tani. I was not. I didn't, I was hopeful the Cubs would didn't think they would. Turn out they had no chance. I get there are some financial restrictions. I get it. I understand that. But I want to hear somebody speak. I'm talking about with passion, with fire. You know what? I'm hurting just like you are out there. And I'm going to leave no stone unturned to do the best we can within the limit of our resources to fix a dead last team on the north side. That should never happen again. And heads will roll. I'm putting everyone on notice if it doesn't get fixed this winter. Period. It'll never happen. And if it does happen, it'll never show. They never want to be that close to you, the fan. Not that close. But they should. Because that's why they originally got into it. Oh no. They were, they were fans. Jerry has talked openly about growing up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan before he moved to Chicago, go to law school and how much he loves baseball and how he traded his Bulls championships for another White Sox championship. Tom Ricketts met his wife in the bleachers and was going to games when he was studying at University of Chicago. Like these guys have openly, Rocky's talked about or the late Rocky talked about growing up a kid with his dad owning the Hawks and being at the games and knowing the players and loving the team. And he said, he didn't sit in the skybox. Rocky set the seats until the day he died. Well, I want that. I want that passion. I want someone to hold everyone freaking accountable. And nobody does it. And it's so easy. If you had an owner that came out and said, hey, there's a press conference at Rigley, so and so is going to speak and be poured his heart out. This is unacceptable. And I'm going to show you, I'm going to get it fixed. And if the guys I have who I love can't get it fixed, I'll find new guys. Period. Every person in town would be like, okay, that's what I've been waiting for. And you don't get anyone like that across the board anymore. Not since the late George Steinbrenner, the Golden State guy you do. Well, it's still business. It's still business. He says he wants to win. He's maniacal about winning. That's fine. But it does not relate to the fan. We're saying, I feel how you feel fans. It's about business. Remember, Cap, it's about business first. I mean, you would think that we'd be up there with, you know, with the priorities. We're not up there with the priorities. The passion comes from the closed doors when it comes to how much revenue is coming in. And or revenue that's not coming in and how we can be better with that. Then it's about bread and circuses and fans. We're a distant second. And you know why? Look at the teams. Look at my Chicago White Sox. We're distant second. I would just love for Jerry Reinsdorf and for the ball club. The ball club. To be able to match the amenities and everything else that's around guaranteed rate. If the amenities, the food and the fun around guaranteed rate is top notch, how come the rest of the ball club isn't right? That's a major problem. Like Brooks and his team. They do a great job in bringing good sponsors and whoever's in charge of the concession. The food of guaranteed rates outstanding. That's top notch, but the ball club is not. But it would be like feeding spam. That's yeah, I'd like a spam dog, please. I'll take a spam bird. That's all you got. Damn crap. Expired cracker jack. Expired cracker. That's what the team is. Hey, pal. I'll take two. Yeah. Lemon chill. No lemon. Just chill lemon chill. Yeah. I mean. No lemon chill. Right. I'll take four tanks. Oh, this beer says it expired in 2016. Warm beer here. Warm beer expired. That's what that team plays like. That's ball club. But why don't anybody? Why? It's so easy. We're all sheep, man. Lead us. Just say hey, guess what? I'm going to get this thing fixed. Period. I'm putting you on notice. Do the White Sox have to trade Garrett crochet? Did it have to do it? We will discuss that coming up next. Cap and Jhood. Week day morning seven to 10. Cap and Jhood are back. Appreciate you guys. I listened to you streaming on ESPN 1000. Yeah, Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. Cap and Jhood. Week day morning seven to 10. Here on ESPN 1000. And streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Shane Orling's road to 24 continues. Because the Texas Rangers swept out the White Sox. Rangers win. As the Sox are now 27 and 78 on the season. But the bigger story is about Garrett crochet. And the ace for the Chicago White Sox. And he was an all-star this year and rightfully so. He has been spectacular. But as we mentioned in the previous segment. Dylan Sees and Chris Sale and Ronaldo Lopez. They've all been part of the White Sox. And they've been very, very good with the Sox. And now they're with other teams. And Garrett crochet. But by the time we get to the deadline cap. Could be another White Sox picture that's going someplace else. I understand the thought process in this building and around the Sox fandom. They're saying not again. You can't trade this guy. But here's the thing that's the reality. The ownership is not going to change. When it comes to Garrett crochet. A guy that could probably get paid handsomely. By a lot of teams because of his prowess. Here's the bottom line. Jerry Reisner is not going to pay him. The money that he's worth. He's not. And so I'd rather for him to go someplace else. And to be able to get assets. Rather than to go with a push and pull. And this whole thing of crochet. Not getting paid. Look he's not going to get paid here. Even though that we're in Chicago. It's Rockford. When it comes to the White Sox. And the way they handle their payroll. And so if he goes as a Sox fan. If he goes someplace else. I get it. I don't like it. But that's exactly what the reality is. So I have my guys working on some audio. I recorded with Jim Bowden. After I did the Cubs podcast on YouTube. We're asked him three White Sox questions. So when I get that. Jay Moore will get those cut up. We'll play them. But Jim's opinion. And you'll hear it for yourself. Was. You there is no scenario. You can keep Gary Crochet. Even if you could extend them. None. Because he does not believe the Sox will contend. In the foreseeable future. In his opinion. He's got an informed opinion. He was a GM for 16 years. He believes you have to trade him. And get a haul back. And he goes. And you will. Hallbell. There you go. He said you will get a lot for this guy. He would trade him to Baltimore. But now. That Garrett is saying. I'm not going anywhere. And pitching in the postseason. Unless you extend me. So. You can trade me. I can't stop that. But I will not be available to you in October. If you don't extend my contract. And I support what he's doing. Don't tell me he's a bad. I don't mean you. But anybody. Don't tell me he's a bad teammate. He's got to look out for himself. It's a business. You want me to help you make tens of millions of dollars. And win a world series. And you're not going to pay me. And I get hurt. And you go. Oh well. Sorry. Thanks. No. It's actually good business. On his part. Because it's like. He wants to stay with the white Sox. But ultimately. The Sox could get themselves. Some minor league talent. And if he goes someplace else cap. He wants to be assured that he'll be with that ball club. And get paid handsomely. Correct. And so. This is why it's a tough spot for Chris gets. Which team will want to not only have crochet for the long haul. But also. Pay him. What he's worth. Because he's the hot commodity right now. He's one of them. That is for sure. He is. About a percent. I want to which team that would be. That would pay him. The Dodgers absolutely would pay him. A thousand percent. Houston reportedly would pay him. I'm not sure what Baltimore would do. Because they have Corbin Burns. Who's going to be a free agent. He's their ace. He's one of Cy Young with Milwaukee. He wants 300 million. There's a big difference. Seeing Garrett Crochet reportedly wanting the Tyler Glass now deal. Five for 125. But he's also nowhere near as accomplished as Corbin Burns. And Garrett's in his first year as a full-time starter. Corbin Burns. What a freaking Cy Young man. Listen to White Sox fans and my White Sox friends that are listening to the show. I understand your frustration. I totally understand it. Because you say well if you're going to rebuild this thing. You got to start with someone. Well clearly it's not going to be crochet because they're not going to pay him. That's not going to be Luis Robert who's been around for a while. That's not a loy. By the way restaurant quality at bat by a loy yesterday by the way. At the last of the game. Nice job just looking at pitches in the clutch. Good spot. How about it sucks. Did you watch the whole thing? Watch it enough of it. Did you see when he got thrown out at second? Oh yeah. Yeah. And even I love Len Casper and Darren. And they both said hey man if you're going to try and stretch a ball into a double. DJ said you got to be running for the moment the ball hits the bat. Yeah he does not do that. And he comes jogging. Oh god I can get the second out. Great throw. See you later. Thanks for coming. And but again on top of that the cherry on the crap Sunday is no real accountability. No no real accountability because because you're you're up the track. You're in the mud. You're 27 and 78 and it's like ah another bad play. No the bad. You can have a highlight reel of horrible plays by the White Sox this year. But when you are this bad this is what happens. Bad baseball, bad base running, bad fundamentals. It's all there. It's all there for you. Then you have a highlight reel of just horrible play by the White Sox under Pedro Grafalle. When each game Pedro Grafalle just submits his legacy of never being a manager in this game again. Oh he'll never ever again. Never. Let alone a bench coach. What do you mean he gets a bench coach job right. What is he going to tell a young manager you. What are you going to tell him? You're right. If I'm a manager I look over like you mean that ragtag group you had with the White Sox that was an embarrassment to baseball. What are you going to tell me what advice what salient advice could you tell me. Seriously it's more than I don't have the horses it's just that you don't instill anything in these players and the players couldn't care less also so it's just a which is brew of just bad players don't care manager is bad and so this is what you get on a nightly basis no surprise no surprise but to the White Sox fans are listening cap I understand that they're like wait hey we got to start someplace who's going to be the guy they don't have any cornerstones when crochet is gone there are no guys I mean I got said I like Corey Lee Corey Lee on a good team is a backup catcher not a starter on this team he's a starter you don't have anybody you thought I was crazy when I said that this ball club will not contend until after 2030 cap you have to rebuild the minor league system and the major league system and you're going to do it with a low payroll you're hoping that you can be at least as good as the guardians or the twins at this spot wait until you hear what Jim Bowden says I called you as soon as he said it did I not yeah I'm like hoodie you got to hear this so we'll get that audio up for you as soon as we can I mean you think that just I'm joking around I just know that and listen your baseball guy you understand that is out of time if you don't have the wherewithal or not will or not willing to spend that means you have to grow your minor league system and hope that in three to five years those players can be something and that trade them off and sell them off for parts yeah and then at that point you're hoping to be a contender it's 2024 that'll be all for this decade that'll be all cap it's really what it is really pathetically sad it is so 3 1 2 3 3 2 ESPN 3 3 2 3 7 7 6 is our telephone number we'll keep our eyes on crochet because that's from the John Haman piece right John Haman correct put it out there about crochet saying hey I got some demands here and rightfully so rightfully so rightfully so again the deadlines right around the corner and we don't think that crochet is going to be around and so so I'm clear Shay he's in the Seattle series he's still slated right for this this weekend yeah I believe so I don't think he's going to make that start because I don't think so unless there's I mean but it's a tough spot because there's parameters around what crochet wants who's going to want crochet and then pay for crochet but it sucks for me because I've been saying I'd like to get Baltimore's prospects here but yeah I mean I feel like it totally removes Baltimore from the equation they have a lot of young guys on their team that they're gonna have to pay to huge extensions and if they don't want to do that because historically they don't spend a ton of money they might just hold on to their prospects and get more kicks at the can and I don't know any teams just try to do the white socks a favor a solid when you're a young GM how many friends do you really have in the bigs can you do this for me you just take them off our hands just get a couple of your prospects please can we just do this let's sit down and figure this out I don't know who gets knows we'll see good luck we are less than a week from the Hall of Fame game should Caleb Williams play in that first game in the Hall of Fame game we'll discuss that coming up next shot or no shot at eight o'clock capping jhood on chicago's home for sports checkmate one six lanny of suppression on target that's why i see him shot or no shot with cap and jhood or yes we get one thousand and yes we end chicago app that's why i see him and i shot good morning and welcome in to the cap and jhood morning show on esp and one thousand and we're streaming on the esp and chicago app with david cappola and jonathan hood with you now time for shot or no shot and is brought to you by esp and bet now live in Illinois download the esp and bet app on your mobile get a hundred dollars with any sports book that is taking morning to shay norley bet good morning boys how are we doing on a friday we're doing great you know not only the NFL is right around the corner but caught footballs right around the quarter as well shay and so i know it's already starting your home how many national championship banners have you hung in your home over the last say two or three weeks uh just the one actually on cfb 25 just the one with apple action state what are you working on been playing a lot of online games i also started uh an offensive coordinator at eastern michigan i want to see if i can get a job on the tier of alabama within ten seasons the kaolin debore route maulin man it's it's actually really fun isn't it i mean you're on you're playing cfb 25 and some of these videos are popped up on twitter by the way of some of these games there's a uw park side team out there cap you just make yourself a team uw park side on your way to a national championship so is my division three school in there no of course not but you can make it yeah put it in there yeah you can make a national championship team beaten alabama for the national title dabbo clumpson absolutely crazy it's just it's just fun and it's just kind of like um when you buy it the whole thing the new system is there a new system uh is i mean you can play it on ps5 i have a ps5 absolutely god bless yeah it's just it's just fun listen you and your family play games when you guys are together you play games right it's the same thing as a video game it's just entertainment it's another way of entertainment it keeps you out of trouble that's it you when i call you and sometimes you're right in the middle of a family game yeah we play sequence or singapore jan or one of these games yeah so did same thing yeah but shay's already got in that you call you call him champion by the way you can call him champ because one of his teams has already won a national championship on cfp 25 now think about it you think that he's a jackaloon but the guy knows how to win a championship it's a champ behind me still a jackaloon that right jay i'm still a jackaloon is that right yeah i'm always will be in the eyes of you and be proud to be more and a national champion and by the way at 802 right in front of us we've got our guy making sure that he's got his dr pepper mixed with uh who knows what something there in the middle yep it's having a nice and he literally brings a chair mm-hmm not a folding chair now it's one that doesn't fold it's like a like a desk chair yes but he scoots in and he is going to watch the show it's got the morning paper studio audience uh he's gonna go to the bathroom now but he'll be right back yep rolled himself a joy this morning he was having a nice day that's right a man enjoy it god bless it here's shay norley all right 27 straight weeks of football coming up here hoodie what are you citing stuff if you're telling j-moor you're telling shay you're interrupting him sorry i'm trying to get audio for the show yeah i mean just to tell them on the air j-moor it's at the end of the link i sent you thank you because if you're telling j-moor you know you're telling shay because it's the same button i thought when shay was on no it might have cut it off the man's trying to read the first shot or no shot he's trying but i should have realized we can barely get mics and stay erecty around here so damn okay go ahead shay there's a pill for that here's shay norley when i talk to you and your mics on does it shunt shut your mic off sure doesn't anyway ryan holz has spoken unprompted about the bears liking their depth on the defensive line at training camp saying they feel comfortable with the guys they have on the roster uh brad bigs wrote the translation for this as the bears like they're guys enough they're not going to pay the asking price for the free agents that are available the price would probably have to come down to bring somebody in like yonnie kangakwe so shot or no shot the bears will not add a free agent as russer yeah i think that's a shot what are you doing over there what are you doing i just want to water go ahead no one's bothering you win for you there is a shot because they do like what they have i don't think they were blown away by yonniek in gakwe and thought oh god we have to have him back if he fell to them at a particularly good price i hope everyone that's on their way to work can laugh as much as we laugh what do you mean we just have a good time here man thirsty so i i think there's absolutely a shot could i see them upgrading in another area is just to find gilmore still out there there he's there counter williams is still out there at center we'll see let's go back Shane to what mark potash said yesterday mark potash yesterday when we asked him about yonniek in gakwe he says he was not necessarily overwhelmed or was wowed by in gakwe and we've heard from corny kronan in this regard as well talking about how the bears kind of like what they have if in gakwe's here that'll be a luxury to the team but at some point shay you have to take a look at what you have as a roster and you got to develop it it may not be in the same level as in gakwe when he was like at his peak but i think that at some point you have to look at your rostrum say well besides sweat others have to be able to get to the quarterback i mean potash said it himself he goes it's not a necessity for him to be with the ball club this year so i would say that what you have cap you have to move forward with and if you feel like you need an upgrade that's why you get the trade deadline if you feel like there's someone that's on a bad team that flourishes and looking for a fresh start play for the bears this is why it's a long season what you have now is that what you might have in october november december so i can i mean sweat was picked up what early it's a trade deadline sure so at this point in time i say go with what you have if in gakwe is someone that you don't need then move forward shade orley all right sports illustrated provided projections for the first round rookie quarterbacks and unsurprisingly kaleb williams had the strongest projected stats for all rookies they had him at a sixty five percent completion percentage 26 touchdowns 12 interceptions and 3700 passing yards shot or no shot this would be a massively successful rookie season given the numbers again 26 tds 12 picks 3700 yards no that wouldn't be massively successful that'd be okay for our parents quarterback it would be massively successful for a generational prospect to be probably the second best passing season in the organization's history okay again our organization's history sucks yeah that's why that would be unbelievable no that'd be fireworks in the sky disagree compared to everything else amen i'll be disappointed if that's his number you can't get everything that you want in year one see guys like you will be going after him after year one if he doesn't get the numbers that you want 3700 yards 26 touchdowns 12 12 interceptions for year one and this offense that's luckman like no they're completely disagree it is hold on to me i mean compared to all the other quarterbacks that the bears have had through here you have to start some place you've got uh keenan alan roma dune say j-moor i mean dj moor uh i said j-moor but dj moor at wide receiver you got comet Everett marsadees luis deandres swift you've upgraded spots on the offensive line i mean no if that's his numbers i i'll be very disappointed you'll be asking for trade i i just want to like that is crazy level of expectation to me because what i just delivered is a surefire runaway rookie of the year season oh not so sure about that yeah who else is going to do that i mean what what were the numbers for cday stride last year dwarf those did not really in yardage certainly but yardage he was oh well over four thousand uh 23 touchdowns five picks 4100 yards did not really dwarf the numbers i just don't he actually did seven less interceptions and six hundred more five hundred more yards three fewer touchdowns okay i'll take cday stride level numbers would you prefer cj shroud right now over secular william no how fair is it to expect that some people have called that the best rookie season by a quarterback maybe an nfl history i don't know if i agree i think just in herber it's 31 and 10 was probably the best i've seen in my lifetime but how fair is it to expect cj shroud numbers against the numbers i just offered where i believe kaleb williams win rookie of the year with 26 touchdowns 12 picks and 3700 yards let me just say as a baseline that's not those are not bad numbers and if you are a long time bears fan you would not turn a blind eye to those numbers now again as a baseline cap 3700 yards would be great if he could exceed that that'd be awesome but here's the thing he is a rookie in the nfl a rookie in the nfl yes he's the number one pick but again there's a very few and far between the examples of a quarterback being able to play at that kind of high level very few and far between we talked about andrew luck look at let's take a look andrew luck's numbers in his first year cap go ahead his first year let's take a look at justin herbert very few we talk about that could be able to exceed those expectations now i would agree with you that yes the team seems ready made based on the depth chart they did a lot to be able to install offensive weaponry for kaleb williams but he's got to get the job done walter's got to get the job done and all they all have to acclimate and work together for this to happen that's all i'm saying and you asked for andrew luck's numbers for everybody out there yeah he started all 16 games he went 11 and 5 he completed 54 percent of his passes for 4374 yards 23 to 18 tv to interception rate pretty good pretty good for the first year a lot of interception so yeah what i'm offering from kaleb would be a better season than that in the other example is justin herbert we've gone through this this summer talking about very few where a rookie comes in is able to have to make a splash and cj shrouds one of them now we can add him to the list i'm saying is is that it's about incremental success you're not going to get your big slice of the pie in year one you can get it moving forward but in year one we have to hit he's got to get the kinks out that's all do you see what do you think my home stats were as a rookie well he played one game i'm talking about his first year as a starter okay so that's not a rookie year though okay his first year as a starter he completed 63 percent of his passes correct 66 percent of his passes completed for 5097 yards 50 to 12 that's expected for a generational talent yeah i'm not telling you i expect kaleb to throw for 7 000 yards he should be 4 000 yards 30 touchdowns and a dozen interceptions i'd be happier your lips to god's ears but if that if those numbers shay equate to a playoff berth cheers who's shay dorley all right unsportsman likes michelle smallman this morning offered her five biggest pretenders in the nfl this season usual suspects on the list stealers were there cowboys were there browns were there surprisingly the chicago bears checked in at number three on our list here's michelle's moment there's a lot of hype surrounding this team for the first time in a long time unfortunately i think people need to lower their expectations when it comes to the chicago bears they had a masterful off season they really put kaleb williams their number one overall pick and the person that unfortunately has been given the assignment of savior for the chicago bears they put him in a great position but despite that defense despite all the weapons that they put around kaleb williams despite the incredible promise that he has as quarterback i think it's gonna take a while for them to really gel and figure it out putting them in pretender is interesting but i guess when you have rich eyes and in mark sanchez this week saying they'll go to the nfc title game we have to qualify it somehow but shot or no shot the bears do not belong on the pretenders list uh that is a no shot they do not belong on the pretenders list i would not say pretenders completely agree i'm not telling you they're winning the super ball although i have a ticket they are absolutely more than a pretender and i'm very disappointed in michelle so she has a 30 day ban from the show a 30 day ban all right you ban jimmy joe peshi i ban michelle small difference is he sucks wow um so she saw if we were gonna build that list of pretenders if the bears are not on it who would be on that list scalar voice for sure jets do the stealers have enough hype to be on a pretenders list that's my like who's saying that they're even remotely a contender everybody thinks they're gonna be last place in their division you can't be pretender and have those kind of expectations on you about the browns browns for sure questions at quarterback should be good jets i'd throw on the pretenders list i think they're destined for a disappointing season i want to bet side bet that one what do you want to do what it what's the terms here side bets brought to you by aching law three one two six million for the great hollering anchor so my ball and not i think the jets are going to be a beast they got a ton of talent on it what do you really want to set the terms make the playoffs or make the division around how do you want to do it jets make the playoffs mmm hold on shay let's think about this now i'm looking out for you hang on jets make the playoffs do we expect the bills make the playoffs you know what i'm gonna take the wager hoodie because i think the jets are third place in their own division it's difficult to make the playoffs out of that spot i'm gonna i'm gonna take the bet with cap all right the same 50 that i paid you for your uh seltics that's a tough one bills and dolphins to the playoffs right you know the afc east i'm not convinced the dolphins are going to play us okay that's why right that's what you think the jets take their spot correct so you see them as a ten win ball club they turn it around yes ten and seven yes healthy rogers yes okay okay shay we're in shay you sure yeah i'm in i do not believe in the jets at all i think look the roster's good but front office and head coach i think it's a total disaster oh yeah if they don't get to where they're they are going to if they think they're going to be a playoff team it's great but if they don't tune in that'll be all for sola let's go jets who says that who says that let's go jets i like rogers i want them to be good what's coming up next on greenie now we get enough of that between ten and noon that's it let's go jets who does that j-e-t-s jet jet jet i can mark cap down he's the eighth jets fan in the world wow jets my god we go around the nfl and don't forget baseball conversation with jessie rogers at eight thirty five cap and jhood on espin one thousand and also on our youtube channel follow chicago's home for sports on twitch at espn one thousand chicago captain jhood are back on chicago's home for sports esp and chicago miffle sucks he sucks i'm just a fan i'm not a football about here i love the green bay package the guy is wrong but there he goes this is not Detroit man this is the super ball i love winner he starts the company this is a really thickly built guy i mean what's answer you're looking for all these things it's now time for around the nfl right here on cap and jhood on espin one thousand and streaming on the esp and chicago apple here from jessie rogers at the latest on the cubs and socks and everything else mlb around the nfl here's shay norley shay 27 consecutive weeks with football starting next week training camps around the league are open it means we're getting real football storylines and you know i have opinions want to start with something that happened at raiders camp yesterday i don't know if you saw this video raiders players were on video holding a Kermit the frog puppet wearing a patric mom's jersey are these guys stupid wow what are you poking the bear for that's interesting they're saying cap that he's Kermit the frog oh i'm sure that really ruffled his feathers i would not uh i would not do that this guy's been beating your ass in your division for years i've been beating your ass for years that's right that's exactly right yeah the last thing you need to do is motivate him any further how about beating patrick at home instead of making fun of patrick at home how about that why don't you try that that'd be a novel concept but it's not easy right or gonna rate her man it just it's just such a a dumpster fire just when you think they got it turned it's always something and they beat the chiefs big time in vega slash remember that and he reads that dude and tonyabers thank you we needed that okay i think that's a bad idea even though you might sound like Kermit the frog here she knows what do you think Andy Reed's saying seeing them all play and pass around to Kermit the frog puppet with my home's jersey oh you think you needed that he's saying yeah if frog legs good idea back here give me some frog legs i'm hungry wow that's the coffee that's what Andy's saying right now that's what he's saying cap wow frog legs delicious frog legs here's shay norley how about those nuggies i mean he loves the nuggies yeah that's true he loves the nuggies he loves the nuggies yeah uh for the third consecutive time the dallas cowboys are allowing a head coach to go into a lame duck year they did this with jerry jones he ended up being pretty successful in his first lame duck year so they allowed him to go into a second lame duck year where his contract expired and they moved on to mike mccarthy now they have lame duck mccarthy jerry jones was asked about this and why they didn't opt to give mike mccarthy an extension jerry used two words green bay if the loss pissed you off enough that you don't have faith in the guy to give him an extension shouldn't you just fire him what do you think the problem the problem is like they're built to win now doesn't mean they're going to but they're built to win with mike comparisons they're getting their corner back back and they get dack and seedy lamb and all these dudes when you fire a coach it is like turning around a battleship you change everything you change terminology you change the staff the daily interactions you change everything you don't just automatically go all right who are you hiring there who we putting in there you know hire bell check no you're not hiring bell okay so you don't have an experienced guy who you're hiring you know hire lincoln riley who's never had a defense in his life yeah all of a sudden you're like oh this guy's never been in the NFL we have now we got to teach in this next thing you know you're one in five and your season short circuited they're giving him one more year that's why can't just tell you something can't just tell you something i'm so tired of the cowboys talk i'm so tired i don't know what it would ever put a ticket on them that's you but again you have disposable income i don't have i did not bet on them no but you have when we told you not to so but i'm sure they'll come back around you'll hear you'll hear from somebody right i don't know i think the cowboys can do it i heard through a source of mind that they're gonna be pretty good here's a hundred bucks it's not worth it it's not worth it i'm so i'm say i'm just so tired of the the as the world turns search for tomorrow soap opera of the Dallas cowboys as if we as a nation have to fix them there was a time where america's team okay you can call america's team when they were good i'm so tired of them in america's team by the way is more of a marketing slogan more more so than a real thing so tired like it's a bunch of underachievers with an owner that's an underachiever himself i don't care how much he's made cap the team is not at a championship level it is not someone else should be america's team why can't they be the chicago bears exactly go over our football drive in lake forest where will be coming up america loves an underdog story it's why the lions were the most watched national team last year like they if you're good from nothing that'll make the america's team if only for a season let's go look eber flu chicago's is primed as any cap you brought up bill bellacek linken riley they also could have potentially talk to mike vrable they could have fired mike mccarthy and hired dan quinn who was already in their building as defensive coordinator they had options it's not like they were bereft of coaching guys again when you change coaches it's not just plug and play like a baseball manager every all amount everything changes man everything from terminology to the way they do things everything it's a much bigger deal much bigger i get what jerry's doing i probably would have done the same thing kept him he's under contract i got to pay him everything stays the same and then i make my decisions there's a big short circuit and have a bad year there could be monumental change coming monumental no dak no cd lamb no mike mccarthy there could be a ton of change there jerry wants his yes man in there no more berry switzer jerry jones being bigger than the program bigger than the the organization jimmy johnson who would i say jerry jones you said berry switzer jimmy jones i mean jerry jones doesn't want a jimmy johnson or berry switzer like bingo in there because he felt that they were bigger than your organization bigger than jerry but they won yeah it was not good enough though the only time they've won yep not good enough they want that he wants to have someone like you know like red who's doing broadcast right now the court they all quarterback oh Jason Garrett for ten years or a mccarthy the beat cop berry still with us i know he's not on the show today shay uh san francisco don't look now they might finally be approaching cap hell it's been a nice run of discount contracts but things seem to be troublesome brandon ayu holding in amid a trade demand he can't reach an agreement on a long-term deal they have trent williams holding out trent williams under contract for the next three seasons with zero dollars of guaranteed money he wants some guarantees he wants another big pay day and bill barnwell yesterday projected brock perry for an extension worth sixty five million dollars a year next off season welcome to cap hell when that kicks in they can't pay everybody could this niners deal actually be falling apart yes that's a shot and they haven't won one ring yeah say it out loud brock perry sixty five million a year no way they'll do that unless he has leads him to the super ball this year and then he's earned it no way think about it sixty five million for brock perry we have seen all of them get tailing for like seven for yeah for a song compared to what we see up here all the time just wait until god willing we're all live and still doing the show and shay goes bring up breaking news of bears according to shefter of reaching agreement kla boiams on a five year five hundred million dollar deal that's what's coming in five years and maybe no super bowl by then just giving them the money because that's the going rate you better one i'm just saying like shay 65 was it sixty five million rock perry there's no way they'll pay him that i can't imagine shanny loves changing quarterbacks he loves proving he can do it with anybody happened with jimmy g moved on from jimmy g did it with perry rather than pay perry sixty five million dollars a year i could see them grabbing somebody in the draft and shanny just i can do it with anybody wow all right that's our look around the nfl jesse roger's the latest on the baseball weekend with the cubs and socks everything else mlb cap and jhood weekday morning seven to ten