Kap & J. Hood
7/25 Kap & J. Hood Shorts
(crunching) - Chicago. This is your morning routine. Listen, there's a heck of a link. - Cap and G hood. - That's right, that's right, we bad, huh? - Watch the show on Twitch. Follow ESPN 1000 Chicago. - Stream the show on the ESPN Chicago app. And on In Bet, 100.3 HD2. And on ESPN 1000 Chicago. Now, no, no, no. David Kaplan and Jonathan Hood. - Good morning, everyone. ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Whoo ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Bring 'em out, bring 'em out ♪ ♪ Whoo ♪ - Oh, gah, welcome in to the Captain J. Hood Morning Show. On ESPN 1000 and we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you, we've got Shay, we've got Jay Moore, we've got you. For a three hour ride on this deal breakers, Thursday, with open phone lines for you. 3-1-2, 3-3-2 ESPN, 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our telephone number talking bears in our first hour. You have a special guest coming up at 735, Mark Potash. We'll join us, Potzy, stopping by the broadcast. - Yep. On his way to Halis for resumption of training camp today. Here in the vibe up there is outstanding. We will get the 411 from the guy who asks the best questions in the press room, Mark Potash. - We'll hear from Potzy coming up at 735, it's funny, Cap. We continue to hear a lot of positives about the Chicago Bears because of what they've been able to do. We always compare on this show the past to the present because there's always history. History was not made five years ago or 10 years ago. History was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and you compare the past to the present. And when we talk so glowingly about what the Bears have done in the off season, it doesn't mean that the Bears have won the Super Bowl here in July. What we're saying is that the operation looks a lot different than what we're used to, and that's a positive because you're going through the growing pains and you're trying to be a perennial playoff team. The operation looks more competent than it has at any time with me covering the Chicago Bears. - Yeah, I'm more impressed, that's a good way that you put it. It's a more impressed at how they're doing their business than I have been in a very, very long time. Like 2018 came out of nowhere. - Nowhere, what, the Bears are 12 and four? - And then you go into 19 and it regresses right back to 8-8, 8-8, and then the last couple of years there have been a train wreck till the last half of last season after Montez Sweat came over. It just feels like whether it was the end of Angelo, to Phil Emery, to Ryan Pace, compared to what we're seeing now, the vibe, how they're doing their business, the rep around the league, everything's different. Everything. - So we'll compare what's happening now, and again, we're not guaranteeing anything. We just know that the operation's different than it was, say for instance, Cap, I'll just, I'll pull out 2006 as a conversation with you. So the Bears get to the Super Bowl, and what I remember about that season is it was not enjoyable on this end of the fandom doing what we do as a talk show. I don't know what it was for you at GN, but for me being here, this was my second year at ESPN 1000, and every time the Bears won, the fans would call in and they'd say, yeah, we won, but that Grossman, man, that just won't get it done. Hey, just be happy with the victory. We were able to win. - Yeah, it's a defense carrying us, but that Grossman. And so the way it was built, you loved how the defense was just solid. Like you couldn't score on that defense, and if you did, it was a surprise, how opportunistic that they were in the secondary with a peanut punch and being able to work with that cover too. It was excellent defense, ran by Lovey Smith, and the offense did what they did enough to be able to win games, where a lot of people that I talked to did not believe, but yet they got to the championship. What I'm saying is, is that this season seems like it's built on both sides of the football. That was exclusively defense to get to the Super Bowl against Indianapolis. - Right, and then you had a strong offensive line anchored by Olin and Ruben Brown, and all these different dudes that were up front, and they could run the ball, Thomas Jones, the late Cedric Benson. This team here, again, injury could change everything in a moment's notice. I saw the Vikings, one of their starting corners, blew his ACL yesterday in practice, done. So you keep your fingers crossed every time they take the field, but this team has weaponry in the wide receiver room. They got depth in the running back room. They got depth in the tight end room. We know what everyone thinks of Caleb. I talked to Tom Thayer yesterday. I talked to Olin yesterday. My concern is, who's the center? When you are rotating guys in and trying them out for the job, means you don't have a center. So we're gonna find out how this offensive line comes together. Waddle has given you his thoughts that he has concern. Can they become an elite unit? Is Braxton Jones elite? I'm not sure. Darnell Wright, who's drafted 10th. He better become elite. The guards to have a jank. It's could be, he can stay on the field's elite. Isn't Nate Davis gonna be able to stay on the field? So I think there's more depth than we've seen. Just not sure there's enough talent up there. Look at Detroit. They got, what, three number one picks starting on their own line? - No doubt. - So that's my level of concern. But it definitely looks like the bears are putting something together that we haven't seen in a very long time. - Dominance or production on both sides of the football? I've been looking for that for a long time. Even the last time we saw the bears in the Super Bowl cap, we're talking about, and you are correct about the offensive line. I want you to compare what the bears are trying to put together, versus John Tate, Ruben Brown, Olin Crews, who was the anchor of that offensive line, Roberto Garza and Freddie Miller. Think about that. Just Iron Gate trying to protect a guy that gave you 23 touchdowns that had 20 interceptions. They did the best they could with that. - Correct. - Knowing that Rex was less than, but yet wins against Seattle, wins against New Orleans to march away into the Super Bowl. But still, just based on all the calls and all the information that I got from listeners at that time didn't believe. You want to get in a position where you believe in your quarterback cap, whereas like, well, it's not just a defense holding it up. It's everything working together in concert. Offensive line, defense, and that secondary, it should be dominant this year. The secondary coming up, this should be dominant. You add the sprinkle of by-yard on there as well. Tyreeks, Steven, St. Kyle, you have so many guys that could be difference makers there. - And Brisker might be the anchor back there. - And it's a positive. All those things are positive. So you're right, blessed with good health. You have an opportunity here to really make some hay. - Correct, blessed with good health. So I still think they're a year away from getting the depth on the roster where they want it. And I still think they need to draft an elite. I'm talking elite or sign an elite offensive line. - It's funny when we hear people on talk shows like this one, when asked about the Chicago Bears. More times than not, it's like, you know, I like what they've done. We say it because we're Bears fans and also we're football guys. We can see exactly what's going on. A lot of our listeners look at that team that the Bears have assembled and said on paper, this team should be better than it was last year. But you have someone like Mark Sanchez, a former Chicago Bears quarterback and analyst for Fox. And you know, and he says, he says, this upcoming season for the Chicago Bears, it reminds him of his days playing with the Jets in 2010. - There's a laundry list of positives going into this season other than just his talent and ability. What they did around him, not just the players they got, but the types of players. Aquinan Allen, you know, similar to when I was with the Jets, I can equate a player like that as a Jericho contrary, where he is like your dependable third down, thousand yards a year kind of guy. Like he is just going to be Mr. reliable for you. You know what I mean? They have another guy like that in Mercedes Lewis in the tight end room helping Cole commit and Gerald Everett. So there's more targets than you add a guy like DeAndre Swift, who's used to playing running back by committee. I mean, this thing's starting to look good. You got right at right tackle, you're figuring out the center position, but you have some real pieces on offense and with a coordinator like Shane Waldron, right? He took Geno Smith up to his completion percentage. I mean, just knocked it out of the park with Geno his first year as a starter. Well, he's going to have something like that in Caleb and part of it is when do you let him be Superman and go to the telephone booth, right? We've had that discussion here before with Caleb in the off season talking about his ability and when is it time to just play ball? I think adding all of those targets around him. And don't forget, I left out DJ Moore, that wasn't on purpose, the guy had, yeah, and they drafted Rome. So you're expecting that to be an explosive player. You have another one in Keenan Allen who's going to have fresh legs because DJ Moore and maybe Rome kind of start most of the, maybe he gets a little less snaps in them, but he comes in in crucial situations. So DJ Moore was like 40% of their offense last year. So, and that was with Tyson Beige and Justin Fields. So, this is set up for immediate success. They don't play a, the thing working against them is that their division is so strong. Well, they don't play a division game till week 11. You've made that point. Green Bay. So, I mean, what if they just started out seven and two? You know what I mean? It's not an optimal wall prediction. It feels more like the Jets year two for me, 2010, with, you know, you bring in Lidainian Thomas and you have Sean Green, Jericho Caughtry, Braylon Edwards, San Antonio Holmes, Dustin Keller, tight end, like there's guys everywhere you look. - So, Mark Sanchez on the herd with Colin Coward yesterday talking about the comparison to his team in 2010 with the Jets under Rex Ryan and this one. - Look, we just went through some of the things that he was talking about. And I know there are people out there I'm not gonna get snuckered in. We had a guy call yesterday. - I'm not ready to commit that they're good enough. - Okay, understood. - That's fine. - Understood. - That's not how I choose to live my life. I'm optimistic all the time for my teams. I will call them out when it's deserved. Now, I don't think I was optimistic. The Sox were gonna have a decent season. - Yes. - But I was optimistic about the Cubs. - The reason why you didn't feel that way about the Sox was because you're not an idiot. - Correct. (laughing) - Like I used the Blackhawks weren't gonna have a good season. - Yes. - But I was optimistic. The Cubs were and I'm optimistic that the Bears are going to have a very good season if they have great health. - Yeah. I look at the team that we just talked about, Cap, in 2006 and think about the Bears defense now. And we are going back and forth and whether that they're gonna sign in Gakwa or not. If they're gonna get someone else on that defensive line to help with the pass rush. The Bears at that time, last time that they're in a sewer bowl and part of this run where Lovey Smith had some dogs on it. Dogs. - Oh God. - That defense? - You're talking about Atawale Agunle and Tommy Harris and Tank Johnson and Alex Brown and Hunter Hillenmeyer and Erlachar and Lance Briggs. Peanut. Nathan Vasher, Chris Harris and Daniel Manning. Come on, man. - But let me ask you a question. I was talking with the guys yesterday on the phone. Who's the Alpha on the Bears right now? - Shae J. Moore, hoodie. Who would give me? Like when I went in to cover the locker room before we became friends, that locker room belonged to Olin Crews. And Olin's tough now, man. Olin will rip your head off. He is as direct and as in charge. And if he heard something from a media person directed at a player, he would turn the mute. You were not using that. Nope, not gonna happen here. He'd flash the lights or he'd come over and go, "No, not gonna happen." Olin was the boss and Erlachar was right there with him. Give me who that guy is on this team that is gonna hold people accountable. Do his business the right way and you go, who's that locker room belong to? That guy, who is that? - See, it's hard to determine because usually in that spot, it's someone that's grown up with the team. Olin Crews is one of those guys was an original bear that grew up. It could have the chops to say, "Hey, this isn't right or hey, we need to go in this direction." - Right. And he played at a Hall of Fame level. - See, this team's so young. It's sprinkled with veterans, but they just got here. Montez, what just got here? Kian Allen's gonna be in his first year. - Right. - DJ. - Mark Sadie's Lewis, everyone says is the guy. Dyson Bajant just recently was on a podcast and said, "Mark Sadie's Lewis is the most important person in our room by far." - Okay. And the oldest probably, right? - He's in his 19th year in the half belt. - And the oldest. But he said, "By far, the question was, who's the most important player in the room? Not on the field, in the room with the guys." He said, "Mark Sadie's Lewis, it's not even close." - Now having said that, having said that, you wanna be able to have someone that's gonna be around for the next four or five years as anchors, as difference makers, as watchdogs in that locker room. - Okay, so from your, again, we're not there every day, we'll be up there again. I think we're doing the show, the sixth and the seventh up there. Who is your gut feeling? That dude is in charge in there. They ate his room. Shay, who is it? Who's the dog, the alpha? - See, like that offensive line is so young, like a Darnell writer or a Tevin Jenkins. And again, they just got here. - Right, and if it's like a Marcie's Lewis, Shay, he may not be here next year. He might be the guy for this year, but you want someone that's gonna be there, like five was there for 10 years. - Yeah, someone like that, that grows up with the organization. - Does it have to be an offensive guy? Because I think ideally in my world that would be-- - His earlacker was the other with Olin. - Ideally for me, it would be someone like TJ Edwards. I just don't know if he's that guy. - No idea. - Yeah, I don't know. Is it Brisker? - Don't know. - Tremaine, I don't know. - You're feeling Johnson? I have no idea. - And being a dog, man, those guys are the boss in there. Like, they run the room. - Most teams have one or two. - Correct. - That bears team in '06 had a handful of guys that could do that job. Olin was the best at it. - Her lacquer was right there with him, but Peanut was a dog. - Yeah? - The 100, Lance Briggs was a dog. - When teams plant a seed through the draft and say, we're gonna grow up with this guy, this guy is gonna be with us for a decade. Five years, seven years. That's when you can establish yourself as a locker room leader. But when you come from a different team, different culture, like I guess, Gatheria Montes, what, he just got here. Now, I know that he might've been that in Washington, but now he's with the Bears in year two. That's the thing I don't know. And this is what happens when you, when you tank and go young, and then you're trying to develop those leaders. Like, can I give you a cold commit? I mean, he's an original Bear. He's been around for a little bit. - Right, I don't know, I mean, I've talked to Cole. I don't know if he's being a dog, means you're not the easiest guy to be around at times. 'Cause you are direct. David Ross, when he played, was a dog. He was the boss in there. And you remember, he got Marizzo's face. In the dugout, pin him up against the wall. We don't play that way here. That's what a dog does. Doesn't mean you're the best player. It means you're the alpha in the room. - It's important to have a coach in the room. Coaches will say whatever. Managers will say whatever, but it's something like your own teammate holding you accountable in the room. - Bingo, so important. I remember Belichick saying if it ever gets to my desk, it's a big problem. He said, I don't go down to that locker room. That's their room, not mine. And I got enough veterans that hold people accountable that I don't have to deal with it. - Do you buy that the Bears can go to the NFC title game? Or is this too much hype? Let's get your thoughts on this. 312-332-ESPN-3323776 is our phone number. You heard what former Bears quarterback Mark Sanchez had to say. There's other big opinions about the Bears. It happens almost every day. You'll hear it coming up next on the Captain Jay Hood Morning Show. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Captain Jay Hood Experience. Weekdays from seven to 10. On Chicago's home for sports, ESPN should come. - What if they just started out seven and two? You know what I feel like it's not, it's not an off-the-wall prediction. It feels more like the Jets year two for me. 2010 with, you know, you bring in Ladanian Thomas and you have Sean Green, Jericho Caughtry, Braylon Edwards, Santonia Holmes, Dustin Keller, tight end like there's guys everywhere you look. - Mark Sanchez on the herd yesterday talking about the Chicago Bears. We're so glad you're with us here on this deal breakers Thursday. We hope that you have a great day. 312-332-ESPN-3323776 is our phone number. We talk to you about the Bears. You buy that the Bears can go to the NFC title game. The answer to the question cap is I don't buy that. What I buy is for this team to be able to take another step because here's the thing. I'm always one to brace myself for disappointment because after all, I'm a Chicago sports fan, that's one. But two, again, it's about incremental success. I would love to be able to come in every day with you and talk about this huge leap that the Bears have made. Oh my, from three wins to seven wins. Oh my God, NFC title game. Well, that's the hope. But I just know what Ryan Polls has said from the beginning. I listened to the general manager very closely. The general manager is telling us that we're gonna build this thing the right way. - Correct. - Now, I agree with what Courtney wrote in her little blurb on espn.com talking about how this is not a rebuild situation now. They're trying to get to the playoffs. Understood. And that is the goal. They have gone from rebuild to contender status. Contender doesn't mean you're gonna get there. It just means you're a legit team now. Legit. And they are. And I'm amazed by the number of friends. I'm not gonna believe it till I see that it's the Bears. - What fun is that? - Again, I learned my lesson. You fan how you want a fan. - Sure. - But what fun is it to go on and get excited? Why would you not get excited? This is the most excited I've been about being a Bears fan in a very, very, very, very, very long time. - It's not because it's another turn of the calendar and another season though, Cap. The reason why that there should be excitement about the Bears is, again, it's just context. It's the history of it. We haven't seen an off season like this. That's the difference. It's not like how they picked up this guy and they got this guy. All right, let's roll the ball out there and see what happens. No, they had a concerted effort to be able to put multiple difference makers on the field. Young and veteran. It's different. It's not just middle or bottom shelf guys and like, oh, we gotta put a roster together. Here's a 53, man. Here's your sheet. Here you go. Here you go. - And they also control all their draft capital. - Yeah. - It's not like, oh, we went and got this, like the jet went and got Aaron Rodgers. He's almost 40. - Yeah. - And they gave up all these picks. No. - Tune in. - We've got like nine or 10 picks left next year. Let's go. - They're all saying it, Cap. Many people. And I don't think it's a negative. And I don't think it's a curse on the Bears. Even Rich Isons on the Rich Isons show said this about the Bears. - Nobody's sleeping on the team, but they're potentially sleeping on how far they can go. The one more sleeper team of 2024 is the Chicago Bears making it to the NFC Championship game. - Oh, my bad. - So what you're talking about and why I put them there is because that's one rung up the playoff ladder than CJ Stroud made last year. And if you're talking about strides by a rookie quarterback and that is the bar that CJ Stroud set last year in unicorn type stuff, if Caleb Williams can do that and the defense can play the way that they played and the offense can start cooking with Caleb Williams, the Bears making the NFC Championship game is the sleeper team that I'm adding to this mix. - Let's go. - Nobody's sleeping obviously on the Bears. They're on hard knocks. Everybody's going to be talking about it. - Yeah, crazy. - But making it as far as I just threw out there, I don't think people are talking about that. - Madison was content listening on the ESPN Chicago App Dimitri on Cap and Jhood. Dimitri, good morning. - Dimitri, what's up, man? - Cap and Jhood, you still break your Thursday, man. - How y'all feeling? - It is a deal breakers Thursday. And if Shay is worth his salt, he's got a good one cooked up. - Oh, it's going to be something. - Oh, my man, Shay out. Cap, come on. Okay, but let's get back to the point because I want to answer a couple of things that are the couple questions that he posed. I think the difference between now and last year. Similar situation. The first time new office system, quarterback learning that system. The difference now between now and last year is, I think the offense won what the first two days, and then it was inconsistent, pretty much the entire training camp. I mean, you have pretty much Caleb, the offense, they're not backing down. They're learning this offense, but they are going straight at the defense. You have seen just strides from Caleb early on. So I think that's the difference there. - Your second question, hoodie, I do not think the Bears can make the NSC Championship, but I'm going to tell you right now, if you sleep on them, you're asking for trouble. I think that is, I think that's definitely true. And the last thing before I get out of here, I totally say this, a friend of mine yesterday saw the picture of Joe Burrow, and he texted it to me. He said he looked like a bootleg dolphin hungering, and I cannot unsee it. - That is a pretty good line. - And I'll see it. That's pretty good. - Hey, man, have a great day, you too. - Dee, have a good one, man. - I get a lot of Dee. - Peace. - Peace, three, one, two, three, two. ESPN is our full number. There's a lot of Dee as we go to Tom and Oakbrook, and he's with us on the Captain J. Hood Morning Show. Tom, good morning. - Good morning, guys. Thanks for having my call. - What's up, buddy? - Not much, not much. As far as you guys had touched on, you know, the excitement of the Bears, I'm happy with their improvements. It's one of those scenarios, though, where, yeah, they kind of almost have to show it to me first. I'm sampling the Kool-Aid. I'm not full on drinking it. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - I'm at the grocery store. I'm seeing the Dixie cups of the Kool-Aid. I'm like, you know what? I'll sample a little bit of it, but I'm not chugging it. You know, the one thing that I still don't understand is they held on to Matt Ebert Flus instead of moving on from him. That might be the only knock I guess I have on the Bears and the off season. Yet Jim Harbaugh out there and teams with a coaching vacancy were drooling over him and the Bears didn't go and get him. Like if Matt Ebert Flus got fired, do you think he's a head coach on another team? - He is not. - You know, but with that being said, who knows maybe this new group really works out for him and, you know, they wind up making it, so who knows? - All right, Tom, we appreciate the phone call, but at least we got him to drink some of it though. - A little. - He's tasting it. - A little. - A little. Look, I've asked a handful of current players. About Ebert Flus. They said, you'd be amazed when he addresses the team how good he is in that situation and how much guys really like playing for him. He holds them accountable and you guys don't see it. - Let's go, Matt. - He's not great at the podium, he's gotten better. They've worked with him. But they said, you guys have no idea. This is from current players. - Sure. - You guys have no idea what that man's like in the room. Way better than you guys realize. I'm like, all right, now win games. - Okay, that's all I care about. I mean, the fact is stronger than their opinion. For me, I'll just watch the games and I saw the errors in the same errors that you and I talked about. - Right. - Can't turn a blind eye to him, Cap. The hope is being positive. The hope is that he learned from the first couple of years of how to be able to handle his timeouts, clock management, coaching, pushing the right buttons because that's important for a growth of a football team. I'm just telling you that in the first couple of years, it was rickety. Was that great? - No question. - Right. - But they all got to wear that record too. It's not just him. He might be great in the room. All I saw is a string of losses. But besides you trying to build your team, I just saw errors that we put a big spotlight on while he was coaching. - Yeah, and the record, I don't think he should have been fired necessarily because of just the record because they tried to lose his first year. So he had no chance. The second year they started 0 and 4 and then got the thing turned around and were pretty solid in the second half. My problems with him were as the face of my team when he wasn't, he's gotten better. He's not great, but he was bad. And I thought the Denver game and the cleave, there were some egregious losses. Three of them. - On him. - At Detroit, Denver here, Cleveland there. - Yep. - Those were coaching. - No question. - So that was more why it's not the cumulative record 'cause Paul's got to wear that record too. - No question. - And by design the first year, if they don't go three and 14, they don't have Caleb Williams here. - Coming up next, let's go to the Chicago Sun-Times. - Our guy, Potsie! - He will join us coming up next as we continue our bear's conversation in our number one of the cap and j-hood morning show. - Checkmate 16 and he has suppression on target. ♪ That's why I see him in my shot ♪ - Shot or no shot with cap and j-hood on ESPN 1000 and ESPN, Chicago app. ♪ That's why I see him in my shot ♪ - Good morning and welcome in to the cap and j-hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. It's a deal breakers Thursday. We got deal breakers coming your way at 835. But first, shot or no shot brought to you by him. - That's the ESPN Betna Live in Illinois. Download ESPN Bet app. You have $100 and three bets when you make any sports book. - Bet, Bet, Bet, Bet. - Good morning to Shay W. Norton. - Bet, good morning boys on a deal breakers Thursday. How are we feeling? - Great, man. I got a geography lesson in our last segment. I know where Los Angeles is now. - That is correct. - Yes. - How about that, Shay? - I didn't know USC was there, too. - Yeah, you learn something new every day. - I'm in LA. - He just froze, man. - Fros. I mean, that's tough. - And why'd you lean in? - Why'd you lean in? - I don't know. - You gotta have something prepared. You know you're immediate days. You know you're gonna be on the podium. You know you're speaking to a full room. Why are you winging the speech? - You can wing it if that's what you do. Like, if I was up there, I would wing it. - So would you? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I gotta give a speech Wednesday to all the Evans scholars, the caddies in the area. - I'll be at Bryn Mawr country club. That's what I do. That's what you do. If Deshawn was nervous, Deshawn should... - Well, note cards here. All right, our quarterback is a senior. He's from St. Francis to sales, and he's excited to be coming back to the Midwest. - We're in LA? - Not we're in LA. - It's a bad take. - Don't understand. - That's a bad take, Jesse. - It's his first year as a head coach, just for context where Deshawn Foster, but the point is though is that that's an SID. That's on Foster, but it's also on the SID. You've got to be able to give him the amount of tools so he can work with it. Read this coach. - Yeah, but the SID then says to coach, you want me to help you put some comment? - No, I'm good. I'm good, I got this. - And then he gets up there and goes, "Oh, God." - I don't. - The assembled media, we're in LA, and nobody helped him, by the way. It wasn't like the media was laughing. They were just stunned, waiting for him to, 'cause they've been there all day, 'cause right now-- - The things are so boring. - Well, the big 10, I mean, it's got 85 teams on it, so now it's a three or four day event. So now they're just like, "Oh, okay, another coach, "roll him in, ah, here we go, what's he gonna say?" Oh, God, he's not saying anything. Dear and headlights. - Man, I'm just excited. What? (laughing) - Probably smokes. - You need some help here. (laughing) That was not good, man. - We're in LA. (laughing) - Damn. Here's Shay Norley in Chicago. - All right, let's get started with shot or no shot. Carmen yesterday started the show offering up what I thought was a fabulous player A versus player B comparison. - All right, what did I say? - I would like to offer it to the two of you, so stay with me if you have to jot this down quickly. - Well, you know, I love a good yellow pad. - A couple of running backs. Player A was 14th, 14th in the NFL and yards per carry. 52nd in yards after contact per attempt. 41st in yards per route run. 38th in pass blocking by FPFF and 36th in yards over expected per attempt. Player B was 10th in yards per attempt. 15th in yards per after contact per attempt. 32nd in yards per route run. 33rd in PFF's pass blocking and 18th in yards over expected per attempt. Shot or no shot, you would rather have player B. - I have no idea. I love you dearly, that's a horrible question. - All right, just offered your rankings. - Is A Khalil Herbert? - Player A is not Khalil Herbert. - Is Khalil Herbert in this question? I feel like it is. - Player A is DeAndre Swift, player B is Khalil Herbert. - Uh-huh, uh-huh. So how about that, Cap? - Yeah, I-- - Go ahead, you're already a guy. Describe was in front of us right now. - Okay, I got a pause. - Shot or no shot? - You're not distracted? - Yeah, there is a gentleman holding a bottle of either vodka or wine who has walked up the, what would you call it? - The L casing. - Yeah, like the shelter of the L. - Yeah, the shelter of the L, he is hammered. He is all the way on the top. He is now like-- - Stop laughing at it. - Stop laughing at it. - He is trying to-- - Stop laughing at it. - He is trying to surf down, like a surfer with his arms out, holding a bottle of wine and I know he's gonna go down and whack his head. Okay, he made it to the back, to the, he's still standing on it, but I don't think he's gonna fall. - You can't remember, you're the crate challenge for years back-- - Yeah, yes, that's exactly right. - My God. - I mean, I don't know how else to describe him, but he cracked out Cat Williams. (laughing) - If you can pick a Cat Williams really on crack. I mean, that's what he looks like right now. - Crack Williams? - Crack Williams. - I fully expected we were gonna, I was gonna have to grab my phone and call 911 to get an ambulance, 'cause I thought he was gonna fall and basically die from 12 feet up in the-- - Crack his whack, 15 feet. God. - I knew he was safe because he did it yesterday morning before you guys got here. - Oh, did it, yeah. - Yeah. - So he's got-- - Becoming a daily occurrence. - I enjoyed the crack Olympics here in downtown Chicago. Very good. - Holy cow. - Okay, so that's-- - But that's how the middle we get. - And he just toasted us, do you see that? - Yeah, I did see the toast. Yeah. - Lifted the bottle up to a drink. - He's having a good time. - Moved on. - But the guy who smokes weed out front was just non-plussed by it. - He was non-plussed, that's a great way to put it. - You just land against the same structure, just like, looks like do about to break his head. All right, just another day. - And he was out there with him yesterday. - And he was out there with him yesterday. - All right, it is, it's something. - What a world, man. - So it's funny that you bring up that it seemed like one of these was gonna be Khalil Herbert. And you say it's number two. I chose A, and you said Swift was A, right? And that's an area. - Yeah, Swift is player A, ranked lower than Khalil Herbert in every single one of these categories. - It's funny, so I chose A. I could smell a bulldog from miles away. - There you go. - Swift. - No idea, so I will pass on an answer. - So it's a shot I would take A. - You would take A, you would take the guy that ranked lower in all of the categories? - I like the experience. - I'm gonna trust that Ryan Paul's evaluation for whatever those categories are that I can remember that you said is better than pro football freakin' focus. - It's not all PFF, it's raw rankings. Yards per carry is not a PFF step. - They do their evaluations. I'll trust my GM over a bunch of stats. Thank you. - Since you asked me the question, I gave you A. How about that? - Cat passed. - Yeah, that's fine. - Understands the game. - Mm-hmm. Go right here, what's next? - Horrible question. - And a superhero wrote up the Bears Pass Rush, which has been the most question unit this offseason. He highlighted Austin Booker has showed a little more than maybe expected as a fifth round draft choice so far at camp. He wrote that Booker is winning often at the line of scrimmage and not just with his hands or his power without pads, but he's also beating guys off the line with speed. And that could translate when the pads come on. So shot or no shot. The best case scenario for the Bears Pass Rush is a good Austin Booker. - Well, who wrote this? - Shapiro. - Shapiro. - He never said that. - Steve? - Not that. - Shapiro. - Oh my God. - He can't steal Hoodie's bit either. God, this guy this morning, he's stealing Hoodie's bit. He won't answer shot or no shot questions. He's getting distracted by shenanigans going on outside the studio. - Yay! - Look, I've seen champion Marcus Walker is in amazing shape. Gervan Dexter, who's more of an interior defender, has been, it got himself in what he called marathon shape. So they're going to be able to push the pocket from different angles and different spots, plus Montez Sweat. If this kid as a rookie could do that as a fifth round pick, who's the kid that got two and a half sacks in his first game as a pro? Two years ago. - Demarcus Demetrius Robinson. - Dominique. - Dominique Robinson. - Yes, that's all right. It's similar black names. - They got some on the same, huh, Hoodie? - Yeah. - He got two and a half sacks and then we haven't heard from him since. - DeAndre. - So we'll reserve the right to evaluate him as it goes on, but it's a good thing to hear that he's really playing well with Cam. - I get a lot of D. - Yes, D as Dominique Robinson. - Yes. - Now here's the thing, Cap. We're so hyper-focused on what's happening with Caleb Williams and with Roma Dunes, that one, two punch, right? The hope is, is that Austin Booker can be a guy, not just some special teams guy, but someone that they can mold and shape, where he can be a factor. Young legs can be a factor on that defensive line. That's a hope. You just don't want it to just be those two. It'd be great if it's those two, but also you want to get some from Amagadje and also from Austin Booker. So that would help on the pass rush. The hope is that Booker can be a guy. Hopefully, that's it. - I'd love to see it. Love to see it. - I know a J-Hawk on the seventh floor that it's also rooting for him as well. - Danny Z, man! - Yep. - I didn't know they had football Kansas. - Here's Shayne Orr. - Oh, stop. They might win the big 12. - Okay. Good luck with that. - You know what that is? It won the big 12 this year. That's like a buck 75 on the L. - Well, yeah, it's not what it was. No Texas or Oklahoma. It really cares. It's not even a cop order in the gutters. - Seriously. - That's it. Go ahead. - Might as well be a group of five conferences at this point. - Speaking of that bum, does he have a quarter? He needs one. Go ahead. - I mean, the Cubs locally were in the news this week after President Jed Hoyer said any moves at the deadline were going to be for future years. Despite apparently waving the white flag, the Cubs were only three and a half games out when Jed said this. There was a small contingent of fans holding on to some belief. They could still turn this around. I remember reading Ian Hap said the onus was on the team to make Jed's decision more difficult. I think he said the same thing last year for what it's worth. But then they lost two of three to Milwaukee and they now sit five out in the wild card standings. Shot or no shot. The season is officially over. - That's a shot. - That'll be all. - That'll be all. That'll be all. And they've been let down by their front office and they have to wear this. They have to wear it as this offense started to become more and more broken through May, early June. - They chose to do nothing to fix it. Nothing. - Zippo, to their credit, they did fix their bullpen. Porter Hodge comes up. They acquire Tyson Miller. They keep running different guys in there and out of there. And they've been really good. But guess what? You did nothing for your offense. You put a bad team together, a poor roster construction and that falls right on your desk. - You know who wishes that they had the Cubs pitching teams that are trying to stay afloat? Like the Pirates, for instance. Pirates can't hit, but that's one thing. Or the Reds or even the Giants. Just put this pitching staff on some of those teams that have some kind of hitting. - They're going to the playoffs. - Oh my God. That's the problem here. - Yep. - In the month of July, the bullpen and the starting rotation has held their own. But when you can't hit, this is what it looks like. You're dead in the water now. It's all over. - That'll be all. - It's five, it's five games behind now. And by the way, the temerity of the Chicago Cubs playing such a horrible baseball offensively for them to have a day off today. You don't deserve a day off. Go right into Kansas City. - That's the schedule. - I don't care. You already had the all-star break. It's like the Cubs need a day off. Keep grinding. They don't deserve a day off today. - Well, just stop in Des Moines on the way and play the AAA team. The AAA team would be better. - Probably right. - They would knock the hell out of the ball. You watch them on marquee? - They do. Although Canario got carted off the other day. That's very good. - By the way, their AAA announcer is very good. - Alex Cohen. - Very good. - Very good. - Excellent. - Like refreshing on the broadcast. - Are you been doing the Mets for years? - It's not, it's not Gary Cohen. - Oh, sorry. - It's gonna be a hell of a fall, by the way. I've been met to the AAA Cub. - The retirement gig. That's like driving a golf cart around as the Ranger. - Oh my god. - You go from MLB announcer to the AAA. - He's excellent. Why are everyone like, have you been here before? - Yeah, he's really good. - You're so comfortable of like, you sound like a 10 year veteran in the big leagues. - Yeah, he's very, very good. - I enjoyed that. - That's off Alex Cohen. Nice job, buddy. - Very good. Mark Potash was with us and it was a great conversation to go back to the first hour of the ESPN Chicago app and listen to our conversation with Potash. We got around the NFL and don't forget it, it's a deal breakers Thursday that comes you at 835. Cap and J-hood, weekday morning seven to 10. - Follow Chicago's home for sports on Twitter at ESPN1000. Cap and J-hood are back on ESPN Chicago. Chicago's home for sports. - What both sucks? He sucks. I'm just a fan, I'm not a football evaluator. - I love the Green Bay Patty. - Look out, he's broke, look there he goes. - This is not Detroit, man, this is the Super Bowl. - I love winning. He starts to come anymore. - This is a really thickly built guy. - I mean, what's the answer you're looking for? These things here, huh? - It's time to go around the NFL right here on the Cap and J-hood Morning Show on a ESPN1000 streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. With you until 10 o'clock that Mike Greenberg comes in at 10, Carmen Yerko, 12 to one into White Sox baseball as a tick on the Rangers. - Goldman Hammock of radio, baby. - A one o'clock free game here on the home of the White Sox ESPN1000 after the game, Waddell and Sylvie. And then Jeff and Tom, what bears weekly at 6.30. And then Black and Abdullah, 7.30 to eight. - By the way, shout out Carmen de Falco. - He put a tweet out yesterday and I was like, took my breath away. - Combined record of the four major Chicago sports teams, Hawks, Bulls, Cubs, Sox and Jan 1 of this year. 112, 185 and four, 379 winning percentage, not a single team over 500. Bears, please. - Great. - Around the NFL, here's Shay Norley. Shay? - All right, the 33rd team put out a redraft of the 2023 NFL draft. - Ah, we're in the pandemic. - Yeah, Bill Simmons bits flying at you from the 33rd team. Look, training camps might be open hoodie, but it is still July. - It is. - And Bill Simmons bits go a long ways for a lot of these outlets. - You know what, I love a redraft. - I do too, it's so great. - It's interesting in retrospect, Cap. So let's go look back at last year's draft. - All right, so I want to start with the number one pick. I imagine this is consensus, no brainer. Who would have gone number one last year with the benefit of hindsight? - Yeah, CJ Stroud. - Yeah, CJ Stroud went number one in the 33rd team's redraft, it's just. With as good as he was, maybe he wouldn't have been as good after Carolina takes him instead of Houston, but there's no question, he was the best quarterback in the draft. - Well, reportedly Scott Fitterer, the deposed GM formerly of the Panther, wanted CJ Stroud, and the owner, David Tepper after a lengthy meeting, one-on-one with Coach Saban, went with Bryce Show. - So CJ Stroud won instead of Bryce Young, too? - I too ended up being Anthony Richardson. - No, really, too early. Well, he got a sample size. - I told you that one NFL coach I ran into in Vegas said, "The best quarterback in the draft, talent-wise, is Anthony Richards." - It's gotta be Skoransky. People loved him in the draft, remember that last year? Skoransky had a Northwestern. - Yep, he's a solid player for Tennessee. - Yeah, so Anthony Richardson, too. - Who do you, can I frame it this way, just off of quarterback value and see if I can move you a little bit? - Okay. - So you know Houston needs a quarterback, they're picking two, they took CJ Stroud in the draft. (upbeat music) - And don't you feel like the small sample size of Anthony Richardson looking good and being that physical specimen is a little bit better than the large sample size of Bryce Young being ass? - You are correct, however, I'm digging my heels in. On Anthony Richardson, I think he's gonna be that good. That's me, I'm digging my heels in. All the way until I'm wrong. - He's talented cat, man. - I don't know that, I was not wild by him at Florida like Alex Brown will. I was not, but he was pretty damn good when he was healthy with the Colts. - It's fast, that's for sure. - So, okay, we'll roll with Richardson at two, but Che, you know how it is, you watch college football and you believe? - Nope, it'll not be any good. I'm still wrong with Justin Herbert, by the way. - I know, I was just gonna say, I felt that way about Herbert and look how long I was. - So you know what, maybe some of these guys who are just physical talents can get stuck at schools like Florida. You know what, I'm not gonna make this mistake in the future. (laughing) I like Anthony Richardson a lot as a pro, it is what it is. - All right, next. - Number three was Will Anderson, I'm gonna take you through the top five and then I have a couple questions. Will Anderson goes where Will Anderson basically went. He went two to Houston, in this case he goes three to Houston. - Okay. - Number four was a bit of a riser, up five spots from number nine, Jalen Carter, defensive tackle, Georgia. - He went all the way to four. - Slipped 'cause of character concerns, but I mean, he was a dominant force. - Okay, now imagine him on the bear, say, 'cause we talked about this like a whole off season. - Right. - Jalen Carter, issues, would you draft him, would you not draft him, and he was good. As advertised, I watched him, pretty good. - Very talented cat. All right, so we've gone C.J. Stroud won by a mile. - Anthony Richardson, two. - Yep. - Who was three? - Will Anderson. - Will Anderson, three, he had a very good year, and now Jalen Carter, okay. - Properly placed at three, and that's where he was drafted Houston three. - Correct. - And so Jalen Carter, I mean, say we talked about it. We knew that he was going to be a difference maker. You just want to make sure his off the field was going to be sound. What we said, with perspective, we said, he's going to the right situation, going to Philadelphia because of all the veterans around them. He would be surrounded with veterans. Those guys would say, keep your nose clean. With the Bears, it was so young, who knows what would have happened. - Correct. - Who knows. - Correct. - But proper, right team, great player. He will be a great player in the league. - He was a great player last year, he was dominant for them. Rotational guy, but step then six sacks, two force bumbles, pressure, machine. Even in limited work, really good. - Good odds. - Devin Witherspoon went fifth, and the redraft, he also went fifth in real life. That's your top five. I went through the entire redraft and I charted the difference between the actual draft position of each player and where they went in the redraft. Who do you think fell the furthest from their actual draft position to where they went in the redraft? - Bryce Young, is not Bryce Young. - Okay, I'm thinking about the guys, and I'll have it in front of me, Shay. So, I'm just gonna guess. Ah, is it Darnell Wright? - It is Darnell Wright. Darnell Wright dropped from 10th to 27th. - Oh God. - Why? - They had the Bears at 10 selecting a right tackle, Anton Harrison out of Oklahoma, who did have a marginally better year. He allowed two fewer sacks, committed four fewer penalties than Darnell Wright. I think it's hard to argue that Anton Harrison wasn't the best tackle in this draft. - Holy smokes. - But why would he fall that far? He had a pretty good year and he was banged up on top of it. - Well, what do we do? Do you recall our conversation about Darnell Wright before the draft, before he was drafted? Strong raw talent and anchor on Tennessee, it's all about health and, you know, how good he could be on the next level, but 27th. Think about that. Luke Riddick had him as the best offensive lineman in the draft and said he's a sure-fire-all pro. - The reasoning that the 33rd team is giving is basically down to versatility and value for the future, which is Anton Harrison's a really good tackle and he performed really well last season. He can also play the left side. So when the clock's up on your left tackle, or if you have somebody like Braxton Jones that you don't trust a ton and you had Anton Harrison, you could move him over. Whereas Darnell Wright is exclusively a right tackle and there is less value than that unless you have a lefty quarterback. - So we are understanding this. Skoronski is higher than him on this list, right? Peter Skoronski, the offensive tackle for Northwestern? - Yes, Skoronski was higher. Skoronski did not move at all. He went number 11 and he was number 11 in the redraft. - And Tennessee kicked him inside the guard. - So, wow, I want you to think about this now, Cap. - Christian Gonzales from The Patriots the Corner, Emmanuel Formes the Corner for the Washington Commanders, Will McDonald, Roderick Jones, Jackson Smith in Jigba, all higher than Darnell Wright. - That's surprising to me. - As for risers, who do you think rose the most in the draft? From their actual position to where they were taken in the redraft? - And it's only first round, right? - Nope, oh, it's Puke Nakua. - It is Puke Nakua, it went from 177 to seven, a 170 spot rise. - Yeah? - The question, is seven high enough? Would Puke have actually gone earlier than that if people knew what he was? - So, you know how this draft works? It's a run on quarterbacks and then a run on something else with a wide receiver being taken that high in that particular draft. We just went through it this year with Adunze and... - He was, boy, he had a hell of a year. - I mean, a stunt. - So, do you think that he'd be drafted before Bijon Robinson, for instance? Who's drafted eighth overall? - Yes. - Okay. - Who do you think, Shay? Like, you know, higher than Jameer Gibbs, higher than Bijon Robinson. - Yeah, definitely. And I was surprised because Bijon Robinson and Jameer Gibbs on this list both qualify as fallers. Jameer Gibbs dropped 11 spots from 12 to 23. Bijon Robinson fell four spots from eight to 12. They had the Lions selecting Bijon and Jameer Gibbs went somewhere with the 23rd pick. - So they're saying the Lions would take Bijon over to Jameer Gibbs? I don't believe that. - I do believe that. If the opportunity had arisen, Bijon wasn't on the board for the Lions, but they would have taken Bijon over Gibbs. - I'm not so sure about that 'cause I watched the thing with Brad Holmes, your GM up there and he said, that was the guy. - Well, he's from Detroit. - Yeah, of course there's-- - He said that was about the player that they got though. I think if you fed them truth serum and you off, like, you could switch them right now. Bijon Robinson and Jameer Gibbs for nothing. You can just trade them piece-per-piece. They would take Bijon. - Can we agree that Nakua is the best wide receiver in the draft? - Absolutely. - In the first round. Better than Smith and Jigba, better than Quinton Johnson, better than Zay Flowers. - Yes. - Better than Jordan Addison. - Yes. - Okay. - So I would say, Shay, for me, he would be in the top eight. - Yeah, in the end of seven. - Top seven. - Yeah. - Top, yeah. So, I mean, but it just shows you the diamond and the rough, right? But of course, we know who could get Nakua. I mean, let's be honest, system wide receiver. We will-- - Why? (laughs) - All right, let's get to it. - I'm just saying, Shay, if we say that about the quarterback, can we say that about other positions on the field? System wide receiver. System defensive lineman. Can we do that, Shay? - Well, a bottle was a system wide receiver. - Oh. - That's a compliment. Plug and play. Tommy could play in anything. Guy had the hands of God. He was amazing. - Hands of God. Did you know what you said? - Yes. - Jay Moore. - Tommy, it was amazing. - I was just listening to you guys. You heard what he said, right? - Yeah. - He said that Tom had the hands of God. - He didn't drop anything. - Damn. - Deal Breakers. - God doesn't fumble. - Okay. - Or just throw me water. - I guess we'll never know. - Okay. (laughs) Deal Breakers is right around the corner on the Kappa Jay Hood Boarded Show.