Kap & J. Hood

7/25 9 AM: Bears Training Camp: Follow The Leader?

Hour 3: The Bears are back to work at training camp with such a young team, who are the leaders? Who can you follow? Chicago Baseball is in the tank as the White Sox lost 10 games in a row. Producer Shea Norling reinstated his White Sox 24 in 24 campaign. The end of an era in television and the Kap & J. Hood Cut of the Day.

Duration:: 45m
Broadcast on:: 25 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) - Good morning, Chicago. And welcome in to the Captain J. Good morning show on ESPN 1000. And we're streaming on the ESPN Chicago app with David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. We've got Shay, we've got Jay Moore, and we've got you on this deal breakers Thursday. Thanks so much for spending your Thursday with us. Don't forget to watch us on YouTube as well, youtube.com, look for the ESPN Chicago channel. Hit that subscribe button also on switch, switch.tv/ESP in 1000 Chicago. Calf everywhere you go, everywhere you read, people are interested in the Chicago Bears team. It just shows you that many are looking forward to the bears making some moves here. It's one thing to be able to get this done and the depth chart looks more competent than it has ever in the polls administration, but now it's about results. And I just think that there are many here in July as the gates swing open across camps around the NFL that are looking forward to seeing what the bears can do, making another move. When we have collars that say, "Well, I'm not sure I'm sure." And I've seen it, this is not seen at all before. I think I want to make this very clear. This is not, we've seen it before, it's not. It's not one of these off seasons where it's just ancillary moves. This is not what you've seen it before. This is not your dad's bears off season. Again, not guaranteeing anything. All I know is that the activity that we have seen from polls and the Chicago Bears means that at some point the accomplishment will be that the bears will be in the playoffs. - We have never seen them do their business the way they're doing it, but they went out and they shopped at the top shelf. They had to beat the Vikings and others to get Ryan polls and they did it, give George credit. They got him and then they empowered him to do his work. Remember all the idiocy last year when the bears started slow, there were people in the like, well, we're hearing that the bears make clean house and get rid of Ryan poll? - It was never even discussed up there. It was just idiotic. National media's out of town stupid takes. But this team has got a ton of talent. They've got to learn how to win and somebody has to become the alpha in the room. There's got to be a leader in there. And that becomes organic. That has to happen organically. That's not Caleb, he's 22 years old. It's got to be a veteran who controls the room. - The thoughts from Ryan polls from the Bears podcast talking about something that you discussed earlier, leadership on the team. - Caleb's in a great job of leadership part. I think it's a delicate balance of, sometimes you try to do too much or you go too quiet. I think he's found a sweet spot early on. And I hope he continues to do that and lead by his actions. And when it's time, vocally as well. But I really lean on some of the stable leaders that have been doing it for a long time. I think Cole commits. He's done it by action. Now you're starting to hear him more and really get up front of this team and almost make it his team as well. So with him and Tremaine and TJ, we have a really strong leadership group. How about that cap from Ryan polls from the Bears podcast? You brought up earlier leadership. Winds and losses matter. Development and production matters. But also leadership in the room matters. Now to the Carmen fan that's just driving around going to work and dealing with family and friends, all that. They just want to know thumbs up or thumbs down. Is my team good? Is it bad? Is it in the middle? That's what they want to get. 'Cause it's the bottom line situation cap. 'Cause we're so busy as a society. But it does matter on the inside that the Bears have multiple guys in that locker room that could be able to police the locker room. When I say police, I don't mean that in a negative light. I'm saying is that leadership outside the coaching staff does matter. We gave an example of the 2006 Chicago Bears that went to the Super Bowl and how much leadership was on that team to get them to that level. Lovey was great as a head coach for them. But there's has to be coaches in the room as well. It fosters the young players as well. - Well, he also knew that he had guys that would not just police the room, but that were big-time leaders on the field. So when times got tough, they got banged up. Remember one of the players sending me, dude, I had a stinger. A lot of guys came out of the game. I'm done for the day. He goes, you get yourself, you're mined in a place where you gotta play through it. We're late in the game and they need me on the field. That's what leadership is. It's not just holding guys accountable. It's playing through injury. It's making plays when the chips are down. That's what leaders do. - That's exactly what the Bears aren't in need of. When you are young and you've got some throw-ins and you're tanking, that's one thing. But as you slowly develop this thing, you need to be able to have guys you could depend on. - The head coach is one thing, but the people inside that room matters as well. So we're getting your thoughts on the Bears 3-1-2-3-3-2 ESPN 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our phone number. Also a big opinion about the Chicago Bears from a former Bears quarterback we'll get to if you missed it in just a moment. Dallas, Texas, listening on the ESPN Chicago app as we talk Bears with Justin on cap and J-hood. Justin, good morning. - Good morning, gentlemen. I hope all is well. I just wanted to weigh in on the topic. I kind of disagree. I think Caleb has to be the leader. He's the missing piece to this puzzle. I know that's a lot to put on a rookie, but at the same time, I believe he knows what he's coming into. And I strongly believe that he knows that in order for the team to go, he's the one that has to make the team go. - Right, but at 22 and having not played one snap, you can't be the leader yet. You're more of a follower. And he said, I am going to keep my mouth shut and I am just going to listen to what the veterans say. You cannot be the leader till you earn your way to be the leader. - Yeah, Cap, but what if the veterans are looking to him to be the leader? - They're looking to him to be a player, not a leader yet. They're not. - Okay, I get it. But I do, I want to say something else. I know you guys are saying that the negativity of some of the fans and I think that, and I know that this is a new era, but I think that some of the fans are just, you know, they can't give this team the benefit of the organization, the benefit of the doubt anymore, because we've been let down so much in the past. But I do think that it is, this is a new day and things that are starting to turn into the right directions, but I just think some fans are just, they're kind of hesitant and it might take a few games. But I appreciate everything. Hey, Cap, and hoodie, on another note, I do appreciate you all for reaching out to me and, you know, sending out you all condolences with the loss of my mother, Cap. I really, that's greatly appreciated. I hope you all have a good day. - God bless you, man. We keep being our heart. - No question. - Then long talk with him. He was really struggling. He is a tough, tough dude. And to come back from Dallas when he lost his mom. So again, our deepest sympathies. - We appreciate your telephone call. - Early in my career, Cap. And this is where I'm still a fan, even today, but early in my career, I used to equate leadership with salary. And again, I think that there's some that do what we do for a living, still do that. Now I don't do that anymore because when you're privy to the information, when you go to the locker room or talk to people, you don't equate what someone makes to salary. I used to get on like Frank Thomas all the time. Like, hey, man, you're making the most in the locker room. You should be able to lead. And everyone is not for leadership. Everyone can't be a leader. That has to be someone that has the testicular fortitude to step up and say, you know what? No one's saying anything around here. I'll say something and I'll take the heat. I'll take the slings and the arrows. It'll be me. I could be the lowest guy on the roster. I could be a middling player, but someone's got to lead. It can't just be coach. It's got to be me. And so I used to think whoever's got the biggest salary, she had the lot of his voice. And that's not the case. That is exactly correct. But I've learned that over the years. When you talk to people like, OK, so you mean Frank doesn't say? No, Frank doesn't say a lot. Like, OK, so you mean Sammy? No, Sammy doesn't say a lot. I had to learn that over the years. The same thing with Caleb Williams. Even though the big spotlight on the Bears is pretty much on Caleb Williams because he's a no more pick of the draft and he had all this acclaim at USC, they look at him and he's like, he's got to lead. Well, think about this. He just got here. That'd be very difficult on day one, to be like, you know what? USOBs are not doing what? They're still the time-honored tradition of a rookie being able to watch and not talk a lot. Correct. And he may become the leader, but it's organic. You have to earn that right. They don't just annoy-- there you go. No. You have to earn that ability. Yeah. And I think he may. I just tell you that story because when you hear from Justin saying that Caleb's got to lead, well, I think it's going to take some time. He can lead by his playing. He can get his voice. As opposed to holding 30-year-old men accountable at age 22, you got to earn the right to do that. It's just the time-honored tradition of sports. Correct. The rookie is supposed to listen. Mercedes-Louis, 19 years in the league and everyone's the best teammate I've ever had. Aaron Rodgers just was quoted again. He's the best teammate I've ever had. He holds people accountable, but he does it in the right way. Ted and Legg Geneva on the Cap and Jhood Morning Show. Hey, Ted. Theodore, what's up, man? How are you doing, guys? How are you doing, Sparky? Good, Ted. Good, so I think the interesting thing about this leadership thing-- and I agree with you that the leadership title is sort of earned. But I think most leaders hold themselves accountable. And then once the people that they're leading identify that, then they're sort of more open to being held accountable by them. And I guess my point was, if you look at championship teams in Chicago the last 15 years, the list of true leaders is short. And I think Anthony Rizzo would probably be near the top of that list with maybe Jonathan Tame's. And when Rizzo came over from the Padres, I think he was a leader from day one, not necessarily anointed as such, but in the way that he behaved and played. And then shortly thereafter, the entire team starts following suit. So I just want to get your thoughts on that. And I don't think anyone's going to annoy Caleb, the leader, other than himself, by holding himself accountable every day. Good call, Ted. We're pretty at the phone call. The 16 team, or that era of the Cubs. Who's the leader of the Cubs? It was not Rizzo. Rizzo was the face of the thing. Chris Bryant's not a leader. He's a player. He's just a good player. But he didn't play through nagging injury. He didn't-- Hot, you're unbelievable. What? He did not-- His actions, he was very good as a player, but he was not one of the guys that galvanized the room in a leadership way. That was Rossi. That was more David Ross. John Lester wasn't as vocal, but absolutely was one of the leaders in there. John Laki is a leader in there. John Lester, as a broadcaster, was a player, not very vocal. Wow. I thought he did a nice job on Marquis the other day. I liked listening to him. And he was great with wattle and sylvie. Great. He was great on a wattle and sylvie. Awesome. I would say studio for John. I would say for first. That's a lot to take for nine innings. I think studio is good for him, though, to be able to think about his thoughts, and then just because I thought he was good with Cole in the studio. He was. Very good. But David Ross was one of the leaders on that team for sure. For sure. Riz to a degree. To a degree, Ben Zobrist was a leader in there. The way he went about his business. Dexter had some leadership qualities. But I think David Ross was definitely the guy in charge in there, not Rizzo. Rizzo's good. But Rossi was the guy that held people accountable. By the way, Chris Bryant is officially off the IL today. Oh, wow. It's just in the transactions. How many games does that dude play? I just watched it. I mean, it's literally unbelievable. Rocky's won by a ton yesterday, but he's got 20 rounds. Yeah, so he's officially off the IL today. Chris Bryant, since he left Chicago, well, oh, god. After he went through San Francisco, Chris Bryant with the Rockies played in-- 147 games. 42 games, 80 games, 25 games. 147 total in three seasons. He has not played a full season in three seasons. That is unbelievable. That is unbelievable. Do you have a leg amputated or something? I mean, what's going on there? You don't have to do that. I mean, come on, man. Their pain is due to 182 million. His first year in Colorado, he tore it up to the tune of five home runs of 14 RBIs. The next year, doubled his productivity, 10 and 31. This year, well, that ball's been jumping off his bat of course, two homers and 10 RBIs. Yeah, and the Cubs were wrong to trade him, my ass. We mentioned a former Chicago Bear quarterback, Mark Sanchez. He compares what the Bears are doing now to the 2010 Jets. There's a laundry list of positives going into the season other than just his talent and ability. What they did around him, not just the players they got, but the types of players. Aquinan Allen, similar to when I was with the Jets, I can equate a player like that as a Jericho country, where he is like your dependable third down, 1,000 yards a year kind of guy. Like he is just going to be Mr. Reliable for you. You know what I mean? They have another guy like that, and Mercedes Lewis in the tight end room, helping Cole commit and Gerald Everett. So there's more targets than you add a guy like DeAndre Swift, who's used to playing running back by committee. I mean, this thing's starting to look good. You got right at right tackle, you're figuring out the center position, but you have some real pieces on offense and with a coordinator like Shane Waldron, right? He took Geno Smith up to his completion percentage. I mean, just knocked it out of the park with Geno his first year as a starter. Well, he's going to have something like that in Caleb. And part of it is, when do you let him be Superman and go to the telephone booth, right? We've had that discussion here before with Caleb in the off season talking about his ability. And when is it time to just play ball? Thoughts there for Mark Sanchez on the herd with Colin Coward. Yeah, he laid out a very compelling case of where he thinks this thing could head. Look, if Caleb is as good as we all think he's going to be, it's going to be an amazing run coming here. Amazing. Does Shane Norley need to adjust the road to 24? You know, if you don't know what the road to 24 is, we'll explain that next. Cap and Jhood, weekday morning seven to 10. Cap and Jhood, I'm back. We are back, baby. We are back, we are back. Classic. Chicago's home for sports, ESPN Chicago. Cap and Jhood on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. It's the end of an era in television. We'll get to that coming up at 9.35. 3, 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 3, 7, 6, our phone number with you till 10 o'clock. Then Mike Greenberg will be on at 10, we think. And then it's Carmen and Yurko, 12 to one. And to White Sox baseballs, they take on the Texas Rangers. And then after the Sox, it's Waddle and Silvie. And then after Waddle and Silvie, it's Bears Weekly with Jeff and Tom. And then it's blackened up dollar after Bears Weekly. It's all part of the mix right here. On ESPN 1000, a home of the Bears and the White Sox. And just understand, when you listen to this show, you'll have fun, but you'll also learn things, like UCLA's in Los Angeles. Oh, stop. That'd be cool. We're in LA. Wow. That was-- we got to play that again. The Sean Foster, the head coach for UCLA, let everybody know at Big 10 Media Day that-- We're in LA? Yeah. Yeah. In Los Angeles. Oh, God. The end. That was brutal. So, Shay-- That's a bad take to Sean. As a lifelong White Sox fan, listen, you can go through Sox Twitter. You can hear it through the pores of Carmen and many Sox fans here on the station, including me, that this is an all-timer. We knew that this is going to be bad. We knew it was going to be bad. But this could be all-time bad, this White Sox team. It's insulting to watch the kind of play that they put on the field, Cap. Hey, you don't have enough talent to win on a nightly basis. But when you beat yourself, as you well know, if you listen to even five seconds of me, you know, I hate when you beat yourself. Yep. That's the worst. You can get your ass beat. But when you beat yourself, that compounds how bad you are. You're correct. Cap, we said at the beginning of the season that this is going to be 100 Lost Ball Club. That's just based on the roster composition. There was no magic. There's no magic with the team. They're not going to ever going to contend. This is the worst that I've ever seen. I'm talking about on the field, in the dugout, all throughout this organization. It's horrible. And so, Shea has continued to bring up the road to 24. So, Shea, where are we now at the road to 24? Hody, I never thought we'd get back here. There was a prior double-digit losing streak this season. And when it got to 14 losses, I opened the road to 24 that time. 24 is the modern record in baseball history. They believe it's the 1961 Philadelphia Phillies lost 23 consecutive games. So, 24 would be the all-time record. And look, I think it would be incredible. It would put them on the front page of ESPN. It would put heat on the organization to start doing things differently. If they achieve that level of awful, the national spotlight would turn to them. And I think it's actually a necessary thing going forward that they feel that level of heat. So, I've reopened the road to 24 straight losses as the White Sox have lost 10 straight games. But Kaplan decided last night he was going to talk to Siri and find out what the Major League record is. I did, Siri said that it was 26 consecutive losses. Mm-hmm. Here's the issue. The 26 consecutive losses was the 1889 Louisville Curls. Stop me if you've heard of them. Perfect name for it's time. Am I wrong to totally disregard that as something that exists? And just say 24 would be the record. 1889, who cares? I would say who cares. And this is the one who respects history cap, but we're talking about the late 1800s here. I mean, to Chris Camp get matters because he's a stat head. Right? And he's very good with the numbers. He's great. At some point, though, there has to be a line of demarcation where you're like, "Okay, the number is 24." And if you go even further than that, then you can get to the Louisville. What is that? Louisville what? Curls. Louisville Curls. Then we have a list before the show of the teams in that day. Why do you have to do the kernel spell with no R? It's not? C-O-L-O-N-E-L-S. I would think kernel would have an R. Now, kernel, popcorn, K-E-R-N-E-L-S. I'm sure that one of your know-it-all friends on your text will tell you why. I'm sure one of those guys. Yeah. Like that should be colonels. I would agree with that. Right. C-O-L. What is those, give me those teams back in that day. Yeah, so the 1889, and keep trying to say 1989, 'cause 1889 doesn't even make sense. Who cares? This isn't real baseball. It was made up of teams like the Brooklyn Bridegrooms. I love that name, the Brooklyn Bridegrooms. That'd be a cool shirt to have. Who played them? Yeah. Oh, yeah. My mom's from Brooklyn, so get me a Brooklyn Bridegroom shirt. Get an 1889 Brooklyn Bridegroom's jersey. Could you imagine that, J-Moor, going to one of those West Side shops? Hey, man, you gotta pull down that Bridegroom's. Let me get that. Get that, man, that'd be outstanding. That would be actual. Bridegrooms. That's such a weird name. What does that mean, Cap? What does that mean back then? Is that, is it an actual definition? I don't know. You're an English major. What is, what is Bride, what does that mean? Right? Let's see. What are the other names? Bridegroom is just groom. Apparently it's been shortened. Back then, a man getting married was a Bridegroom. Yeah, some people still use that terminology. Who are people? What are you talking about? I've seen it in print. You have not. Yes, I have. That's a lie. You have not seen that at groom. You've seen that? Yes. Really? Mm-hmm. Wow. I don't believe you. You are lying. I'm not lying. Nobody uses Bridegroom in 2024. And by the way, the Brooklyn Grays in 1888 underwent a name change to the Brooklyn Bridegrooms because several team members getting married around the same time, the owner decided to withdraw from managing the on-field activities and they changed the name to the Bridegroom. This is ridiculous. The fact that that happened and the reasoning, this is not real baseball. It doesn't count. I'm not changing the road to 24. Shay, put that on the pole at ESPN 1000. Do you know what a Bridegroom is? Yes or no? See how that comes back. Bridegroom, I think they'd think that'd be a cool, like, Mitchell and Ness jersey to put on. Bride on one side, groom on the other. Yes. In some circles, it is a monitored alternative now being used to Bride or groom. When marrying the Bridegroom's future spouse is usually referred to as the Bride. Yeah. And they're calling the man the Bridegroom. That's ridiculous. Nobody is saying that. I refuse to believe it. OK. The man is just the groom. Listen, I know you're ancient. Cap, I know you're ancient. I mean, you didn't have history classes in school. I mean, there was no history when you were in school. Your Social Security number is one. I get that. But the point is, though, is that the idea that you've been writing that lately, it's nonsense. It's not nonsense because I'm looking it up right here. Give us some other names. Bridegroom is considered a bit more formal, but it's still used. We've got the Boston Bean Eaters. Okay, like that. All right, the Pittsburgh Alleganies to original too long Indianapolis Hoosiers were a team in 1889. How about the Columbus salons? S-O-L-O-N-S So what is what does salon mean? Not the salon. I don't the salon you said, right? S-O-L-O-N-S S-O-L-O-N-S What does that mean, Shay? I absolutely know. Here, a man who is a respected leader in national or international affairs, a wise law giver, or a town in North Ohio. But this team played in Columbus. Could you explain those teams back in your day cap? Why are they calling the salons back then? What do you remember? I don't know. You were there. I'm not that old. Oh. Strange. Just very strange. Yes. The point is I don't care what Siri says. 1889 baseball is not real and I don't think that I'm wrong to think that it's not real and it doesn't count and I don't need to adjust the road to 24 to the road to 27. They might get there too but I think 24 is the road and if you go past that then go right ahead. All we're saying is if for those that don't know the White Sox are 27 and 77 on the season. 35 and a half games behind they have a 10 game losing streak now going into the last game of the series against the Rangers. That's what's happening right now. It is it is brutal. I can't say it's painful. I'm just telling you it's brutal. It's embarrassing to the city, quite frankly. It's it's embarrassing. 50 games under. It's insane. Yeah. You've locked out. You haven't seen anything that bad before on your side of town. I've seen bad but not that bad. Nobody has seen anything this bad unless you were watching the 1960 to New York Mets very closely. You have never seen anything this bad. Was Mays on that team? No, because Mays I think he ended his Willie Mays in the 70s. It was the 70s early 70s. Yes. Okay. I mean this is you did pre-post that case in Stanford was the manager. Correct. I did not do pre-enpost there. I did not do for the no. Yes, that's correct. So, I can't think about that. I think we all you and I have seen bad teams for years, but with talent with talent on it, who do you guess who the left fielder for the 62 Mets was? Frank Thomas. Everything comes full circle. Yes. Yes. Big Frank Thomas and left field. Yeah. That's it. So, I just think about it. I mean, that's just I mean, again, 27 and 77 and and Shays keeping the road to 24 open. It was it was open for a now he's saying it's back open. We're back on another double-digit losing streak, which is unfathomable. The idea that you have compiled two double-digit losing streaks in one season, but yeah, now we're at 10 losses. We're back on. I'm going for the road to 24 and the game today. It's the White Sox and the Rangers. And I believe it is Jonathan Cannon against Max Scherzer. Oh, like the Sox have a leg up there. See, I want to tell you something, Cap. We're going to break. I just want to just put this out. Just need a minute to just bring this out about Jerry Reinsdorf. See, again, for a 10-year owner who's been around for a long time and for him to sit idly by to watch this happen, to see his team that's going to be in this position to be arguably the worst team in major league baseball history, to sit there with the cigar in the in the box watching this. I never thought it would be rock bottom like this. You know what this is the equivalent of? It's the equivalent of you seeing one of your parents living by themselves and that that cobweb has been in that the corner of that house for a long time. They don't even recognize the cobweb anymore. The dishes dirty in the sink. They don't recognize how bad that looks. Dad, Mom, what about those cobwebs? Have you seen all I didn't notice? That's where Jerry is now at the White Sox. I didn't notice. Mom, you've had that dish in there for what? Six days? Dad. You haven't even washed him, Cap. He's not washing his dishes. He doesn't see those cobwebs in the corner. Doesn't see it. Then care. That doesn't care enough to be able to be better than this. But that's the equivalent of it. Who's taking care of the flowers out front? They're dying. Jerry's let the flowers die in 2024. Sad. The end of an era in television on the Cap and Jhood Morning Show. Here's to days headline with Cap and Jhood. By the way, Cap and Jhood's brought to you by the Village of Bowling Brook. Home of the 2024 Live Golf individual championships at the awesome Bowling Brook Golf Club. The Cubs lost the series finale yesterday. Milwaukee 3-2. That's also the season finale between the two clubs. Lost put some 600-500. Five out in the wildcard. Cubs get today off there in Kansas City to start a three-game set with the Royals on Friday. White Sox lost their game against the Rangers yesterday. 10-2. Sox had a 2-1 lead at one point, but the bullpen melted down as the Sox lose their 10th straight game. And the Bears getting back to work up their day off yesterday. Training cap is also Walter Payton's birthday today. He would have been 70 years of age. And the NBA is rejected a bit from Time Warner that would have matched Amazon Prime's bid for nationally televised projects, electing to stick with the streaming service and effectively ending their longtime partnership with TNT. Jay Moore. If you missed something, get the podcast on the ESPN Chicago app. Cap and Jhood are back on Chicago's Home for Sports. ESPN Chicago. It's a Cap and Jhood Morning Show on ESPN 1000. And streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Thanks so much for being with us. Ah, the NBA on NBC Music. We'll be hearing it again. Not stolen from Fox. Actually, this is going to be where it belongs on NBC. John Tash wrote it. As you mentioned the headlines cap, the NBA signed an 11-year media rights deal with Disney, ESPN, NBC, and Amazon Prime Video on Wednesday after saying it was not going to accept Warner Brothers discoveries, $1.8 billion per year offer to continue his longtime relationship with TNT and Warner Brothers Discovery. You know, these deals don't last forever. And I know there's a generation that has watched basketball on TNT in Turner Television for a long time. I remember like a Bob Neil at a Jack Goose Gibbons doing commentary side-by-side on TNT back in the day. Remember Chip Carrey doing broadcast, as a matter of fact, doing basketball. He was the voice of the Orlando magic. So things don't last forever. But what I will say, Cap, is this is the beginning of the end of the greatest pre and post game show I would say in the history of television. Agreed. The Barkley, Shaq, Kenny the Jet Ernie Johnson Show, inside the NBA. Everyone's tried to replicate that from the beginning. Now again, I watch it from the beginning when it's just a young Ernie Johnson and Kenny Smith. Then Ernie Johnson, Kenny Smith, and Charles Barkley, and they were three friends for a long time. Didn't like Shaq as much on there because Shaq's way too sensitive, but they were able to gel together and put together something totally different than anything else you've seen. You and I grew up watching CBS Sports and watching Brent Mossberger and Erv Cross and Jane Kennedy and Jimmy the Greek watching that. And it was just what you needed, the information. Straight on information, NFL. Here you go. Well, it's going around the NFL. Erv, what do you think? I like it, Brent. I like it. It'll just be Erv. And then there's Jimmy the Greek Snyder with stuff that you're not with, it was taboo. He's talking about the points, Brent. And it's super cool. Erv Cross now runs NBC Chicago here. It's unbelievable. That's not Erv Cross. It's not Erv Cross. Who is it? It's not it's Kevin Cross. It's not Erv Cross all the time. I don't know if that was the same guy. How about that, Che? He's confusing the crosses. He's just stealing your bit all day. It's actually unbelievable. That's weekdays morning, seven to 10. That's it. Get your own material. I love inside the NBA. I think it's such a good show. But what makes it work is those guys will push the envelope. They'll say things like, Whoa, I can't believe he said that. Most programmers are afraid. They all say they want it until they get it. They're like, we can't say that on the air. They allow it. We're blessed. We get that freedom here to a large extent with Danny. You'll get a text from now and then to do that to a large degree. Right. But Danny's very with it in that way. But I've worked for people in this industry. You try to push the envelope and they always say, Oh yeah, we allow our on air talent to do that until you do it. And then they're furious with you. You know what stems from that cap is honesty. It's the most honest pre and post game show we've ever heard also. Because it's Barkley said, I wasn't watching this game. I was watching hockey. And he's just telling you, it goes, this game stinks. How about that and open microphone? You're getting paid millions of dollars in the NBA's on TNT. And he's like, this is our double header. This is going to be bad. Right. Oh God. Oh, the Chicago Bulls are playing. They're horrible. I'm going to watch hockey. Yeah. It's like, but you need to have someone with the patience of Adam, like Ernie Johnson to put up with all of it. Like, I'll be the traffic cop for all this. Kenny, you say what you got to say. You give your commentary at the big board and Charles, you say what you want to say, big bold opinions that go viral, then their shack. It's amazing. Now, I just want to I want to fast forward to the last time that you were doing that, doing it with the Bears. Great combination. You, Lance Briggs, Alex Brown, and then one, he came toward the Olin and Olin. Think about how great that was. That show was probably the favorite show I've hosted. It was in terms of TV, probably my favorite studio show in terms of TV. I thought Hansworth would like to have a word because we were there the night they accomplished the unthinkable. They won the World Series, but it was great every day though. Yeah, we had a lot of fun doing it, but there was nothing like coming in on Sunday morning. We would do the quick little, like, the warm up and then watch the game and eat lunch together. It's me, Olin, Alex, and Lance and coach. What's that? Dude, it was incredible, incredible. What's great about it is, is that, again, it stems from the honesty from inside the NBA. They were able to give the blueprint of saying, "Hey, you're on TV, but you could be honest." How many times you see up here on a Sunday morning where there's former players are not being 100% themselves, 100% honest. They'll give you some analysis, a former coach, a former player, but they're all tied into the old organization. They won't give you the 100% honesty. I know that we're in a first-take society now, like, got to shoot from the hip now so I can get on Twitter, get on Instagram. But the honesty from inside the NBA opened the door for everybody to feel comfortable saying how they feel. Correct. How they really feel. Correct. Being honest. Don't cross the line like getting personal, but be super honest. So that's the end. And Charles Barkley said it was really, really strange how Charles did this, because I was watching live at the time on NBA TV saying that this is going to be the end. He just found just an outlet just to say, "I'm like, you're saying this with Dennis Scott?" Yeah, he was very strange where it came out. He's like, "Yeah, I think I'm going to retire." If he retires, again, the end of an era of a guy that's just brutally honest. It's too bad. So now it's going to be on NBC led by Mike Toreka on NBC does a great job with sports. But Shay, just to the point, remember when Shay was talking about the NFL, how it's just spread too thin, too many different networks. Got a Friday night game. You've got the Monday night game, Sunday night game. And then it makes you wonder, is it a 325 game? The America's game of the week is even special anymore. Are the 12 o'clock at the 12 o'clock kicks, even as special anymore? But now with this deal, Shay, that means there's going to be a national game every night in the NBA, every night. So can you tell me that are there special matchups in the NBA in which you will tune in every night, Disney, NBC will have the Sunday night package, by the way, among others, and Amazon Prime Video? Is there a special game every week that you have to watch or every day? Because that's the thing. It's all spread out now. I think the NBA does at least a few years ago is doing a better job than most of night in night out delivering a really solid product. I can tell you comfortably, I'm not going to get League Pass this year because I'll be able to watch some national game every night. If I pay for League Pass, I'm going to pay full price for it to get what? 55% of the games, really, because the others will be available elsewhere. I'm sure they'll blackout Amazon stuff. So I don't know if people are going to be tuning in every night. I think it's always in the best interest of your league when you're a daily league, like the NBA is, to put your product in front of people every night, if you can. But when it's split up the way it is between NBC and then streaming on Amazon, I'm sure in the future, they'll put games on Hulu or Netflix or Peacock. Well, they have the NBC deal, so we'll get Peacock games of that. I'm certain. It's just frustrating as a fan when they start splitting it off and putting it in all these different places. When you put it in all these different places, like this is a marquee match of our Sunday night basketball game is this and the prime video is this and the ESPN game is this. What's the package left with? Washington against Portland? Like hoodie, it was so easy when it was just Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I know it's on ESPN, Tuesday, Thursday. I know it's on TNT. I know where I'm finding basketball. And now they're going to be asking me to tune in to Washington and Charlotte on Peacock. Yeah, it's crazy how many different streaming options, all the nonsense we've got to deal with. It's crazy. But you know, financially, it was probably a great move for the NBA because they don't have to worry about the ratings. They're just selling the product. That's it. That's correct. So that's it. That's it. They got their money. And just like you just have to you want to see a major matchup, am I on Amazon? But it's what Shay's point was about the NFL and nothing kills the NFL, but they would be on it could be on any night and be able to get ratings and revenue for them and be fine. But yeah, and my old thing stems from I'm happy for you, the NBA and the NFL, you're going to get your TV money, you're going to get your big lump sum and your big deal. None of that money is going into my pocket. My life just gets more inconvenient. And that four fans who now will have if you don't have prime video and you want to watch NBA basketball, you're going to pay for prime video. If you don't have peacock, you're going to end up paying for peacock. That's how if that's how you want to watch NBA, the money they get doesn't go to you, goes to them, your life gets worse. Having said that, while we're having our conversation, cap's been on the phone with our agent to see if you can get one of those slots to be a pre and post game host. No, no question about that. No shot. All right, the zero interest. Hello. Hello. Who's this? It's peacock. It's cat. That chip has sailed. Got any open slots? Take that little brain post. You know, I know basketball. I'm just telling you, kid. No question. The past. Oh, please. It's money. You ain't passing on it. Are you kidding me? Listen, you can BS the audience. You got BS in me. I'll prostitute myself for a lot. I'm not flying to New York to go do NBA basketball or Atlanta, wherever they're going to be based. If it means a second, uh, lake house, you'll do it. No shot. 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Absolutely not. Would you ever sleep in separate rooms? My grandparents did it when I was growing up. I never understood it. I have a buddy of mine. He and his wife sleep in separate rooms. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, I want peace and quiet. My grandparents said that. Yeah, it's only because of the snoring. That's the reason why it wasn't because they didn't get long as because of the snoring. That's that's I mean, it wasn't they were mad at each other, just like separate separate beds. I get it. One had the arthritis, the other one had the gout. I don't want to deal with that. What? Here I am. What do I say wrong? Jesus said the gout. The gout. Yeah. The gout. Yeah. The rich versus disease. Yeah. Yeah. That's got it. I say wrong. I am. Look at me. Look over here. No, what would you look at me. I am not going to sleep in separate bed. Separate rooms. That's not going to happen. How many do you lock in over here? I am locked. Over here. Oh, that's a deal breaker. You can handle my inner yircon. Just you get a separate bedroom with a street side window. You'd be in heaven. He definitely is for that. Absolutely. Oh, she's hot. Oh, man. Oh. Spinner, I don't even know it. Who should you want to say? And that's all, folks. The Captain Jhood cut of the day. Brought to you by Chicago Cut Steakhouse, the Arnold Salmer side, the Chicago River. That's awesome. We thank you for listening and calling in and being part of the program here on Captain Jhood. Let's do this tomorrow. Let's do it. We'll call it a football Friday, even though we haven't played yet, but we've got a game next Thursday, so we'll sample some football and see what happened at camp today. All right, we will talk to you tomorrow. So long, everybody. Take that from Chicago. And it don't get better than this. Don't be nothing but a good time. How did I ever see this in the beginning for nothing but a good time? And it don't get better than this. Don't get better than this. 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