Kap & J. Hood

7/22 9 AM: Courtney Cronin

Hour 3: The Chicago Bears Training Camp has begun; some of the national sports media thinks Jayden Daniels will have a better start than Caleb Williams, do you agree? National Bears Reporter for ESPN Courtney Cronin Joined Kap & J. Hood with updates on the opening of Bears Training Camp and the latest NFL storylines and Kap & J. Hood Cut of The Day.

Duration:: 46m
Broadcast on:: 22 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) - Good morning, Chicago. And welcome into the Captain J. Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000, and we are streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. What David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you, we got Shay, we got Jay Moore, we've got you here on this Monday. Thanks so much for being with us. Don't forget to watch our show on YouTube as well. YouTube.com, look for the ESPN Chicago channel as well as on Twitch, twitch.tv/ESP in 1000 Chicago. It's good to have cap back, it's good to have bears football back. They've swung open the gates at Lake Forest at House Hall cap, and now we've got camp starting. As a matter of fact, a lot of us here at ESPN 1000, we're broadcasting live from Lake Forest at House Hall to give you the latest and what's going on there. Just to look forward to that this summer as well. - Every report I got out of this weekend is Caleb looks really, really good. And the offense looks like two days in. - Wow. - Progress, progress. They've upgraded the talent level, they've upgraded the depth on the offensive line. We gotta see if they're gonna be a top 10 unit, or are they gonna be a top 15? Where is that team going to be? - And then of course the injury concerns are always there in the National Football League. But there is no doubt that we should be optimistic about where this team could, could, could get to. - Some thoughts from Shane Waldron, the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears. He talks about Caleb Williams performance so far in camp. - I think Caleb did a great job, and in OTAs, and in that portion of the rookie segment at the end, and then showing up back here at training camp, a step ahead of where he left. So shows that he did a great job during his time away from the building, you know, owning the offense, understanding different calls, and able to come out here in these first two practices, and operate at a much higher level than what we left it. And we know it's not where the final product is, but every day we see these incremental improvements leading up to that first game, that's our main goal on offense. I think just the overall operation, you know, getting in and out of the huddle, you know, we know that for all of our guys, that transition as rookies into the NFL, you know, there's so many different systems that guys were part of, and so there's newness to everything that's involved, a new system, you're a new way of doing things, and, you know, there's a lot of similarities and carryover, but you had to convert verbiage, you got to, you know, and the faster you're not converting it every time, and you know, what we say is, you know, it means exactly this, then you're playing that much faster when you're getting out of the huddle. Enthusiasm and optimism is different than production and wins. It's a difference. You like that there's good habits. It's one of these things, Cap, where you wanna hear a lot of good news going into the preseason, but you wanna actually see it on the field. I'm not fast forwarding to game one against Tennessee. What I'm saying is, is that we've heard a lot of this before with other quarterbacks and other players and young players, oh, he's getting it. Oh yeah, absolutely, he's getting it, he's getting it. Here's the thing, we know that there's a learning curve. I told you this before he was drafted, Cap, because it's just true, for any young player, there's a learning curve. Someone doesn't get it right away. There's only a few examples of someone being able to get it right away. Justin Herbert's one of those guys, 'cause he threw over 4,000 yards in his rookie year. Andrew looks another guy that was able to get it where they had a winning record as a rookie. We just saw this with CJ Stroud. So everybody doesn't get it right away. The hope is, is that all the practice and everything that Caleb Williams sees, that he can be able to go from, hey, I was at USC, as a college player to a pro, and be able to pick it up. My hope is, it's like look, and it's like CJ Stroud. That's the hope. - If he is as generationally gifted as has been speculated since he was coming into the draft, this should be a playoff team. Unless they get decimated, God forbid, by injury, they should be a playoff team. - Yeah, you both of the roster that way. For many years, Cap. And again, we're only talking to you about the past to bring it forward to the present. Any time we talk about something five years ago, 10 years ago, the way the organization was run, we just bring it forward. Because we haven't seen a roster put together this quickly in one off season like the Bears have done. What have we seen? Here's a draft pick. Good luck. Here's a blue chipper. Here's a guy here, okay, here's one guy in free agency. Here's a guy off the scrap heap. All right, here we go. And you know that wasn't good enough. - No, but this team has pushed a lot of chips in. - Yep. - Getting Keenan Allen and everything we've heard about how he is mentoring Caleb and Kevin Bayard and trading for Sweat and the second year of Darnell Wright and drafting Roma Dunes, dude, let's go. - Yeah. And they're building it the way it's supposed to be done. If you're going to tank, I hate it, but teams have been able to win that way. If you're going to take it all the way down to its studs and start building, in year three, it should be a winning ball club. It's supposed to be. - You should be taking a step. - Yeah, like into the postseason. It is open for you because of the extra playoff births that you can have. So you should be able to take another step. We have never seen an off season like this in which they're able to get an extra tight end and extra running back and a couple of extra wide receivers getting better in the secondary, trying to get better in your offensive line by knowing the problem by saying, okay, here's two or three guys for you. Let's see how this all works out. There's an effort there. It's an effort by Ryan Pulse. And that's why I take my hat off to him because in previous regimes, it would have just been ancillary moves. Now look what they're doing. They're pushing us forward. Absolutely. - Now you got to take the next step. I can't believe we got a game a week from Thursday. - That's exactly right. The Hall of Fame game. - Hall of Fame game. Now I don't expect Kayla to play a lot, but just to see the bears back on the field. Oh, let's go. Can't wait. Can't out wait. - Ryan Pulse, what constitutes a successful season? When you say a successful season, what does that mean? - It's hard to define. I like that we start training camp and have the ability to define that in terms of what our ceiling is. Like I said, in the opener, we're going to just take a daily approach and get better and better. I just want to continue to improve our goal. Never backed away from it. Our goal is always to win a Super Bowl and to take the division. And I feel like we're continuing to get closer and closer to that. So I'm excited to find out what that ceiling is. - Well, the answer is the back end, that the front end. Yeah, I mean, you heard that, right? Well, the answer is the back end. It's taking the North and never giving it back and getting to the Super Bowl. It's not. - It's hard to define. - It's not hard to define. You have your mission statement and it is to win it all. That's what you're in for. But also winning the North and getting better. But just the idea of-- - It's hard to define. I like that we start training camp and have the ability to define that. - No, it's defined. I don't know if it is because with a rookie quarterback and a rookie receiver and a very young roster, you got some very good veterans as well. What if they go out and they go eight, nine? But Caleb throws for 4,600 yards and 36 touchdowns. And you go, wow, I didn't see that horrible injury happening on the defense. And they just had this issue or that. But man, that offense is legit. - You say, well, what would I say? I would say, boy, the Vikings are better than I thought. (laughing) Because if they're eight, nine, that might put the Bears at the bottom of the division. - Maybe. - Possibly. Yeah. - But if at the end of the year you look and go, okay, we got a franchise quarterback. And while that offense looks really, really good, but for whatever reason, lost us a couple of tough games, got some really bad injuries, I think people would be excited going into the next off season. - I would say so, yes. - But if they go nine and eight and Caleb does not look very good, people will not be excited. - But then I wonder, like, how could they go nine and eight if Caleb in the offense is so par? - Defense is outstanding and the offense is. - Pick sixes and-- - He just isn't great. - Close games. - What are the Cleveland Browns? (laughing) - Like, how good does this defense have to be to carry the team to nine and eight? They have to be a hell of a lot better than they were last year. - Like, he's okay, he's not like, oh man. Like, the shows I don't wanna do is the cult calling in going, "We should have kept Justin, this guy's not that good." No, I want this guy to take the job by the horns and go, "Yeah, it's my job for the next 20 years. See you later." - You can ask for that, but you know that's gonna happen, the first loss the Bears have. You know that's gonna get into the bloodstream of C, Jut. And then, if you're watching the games close enough, and if Caleb is as good as I think he will be, he'll be better than Justin Fields. Just from a mechanic standpoint. - Agreed. - Just from a mechanic standpoint. From a leadership standpoint, all of that. No question about that. No question. But it's gonna happen, Cap. Just be brave for it. This is why I'm rooting for the Bears in whatever happens with Justin. It's awesome with Pittsburgh. But I'm a Bears fan first. We had to be able to put that out there to make people understand. For those of you that just are into Justin Fields, then you're Justin Fields fan. Not a Bears fan first. - And you said that a long time ago, and I'm like, well, that's really, I didn't think of it that way. There are people out there. I still see him on Twitter saying, "Yeah, we should have kept Justin." And look at that throw he made in training camp in Pittsburgh. Stop. He's long gone, man. Let it freakin' go. The guy we drafted was the right decision. Now he's gotta go out and play that way. - I'm rooting for him in Pittsburgh. I want that draft pick. - Same here, and he's a good guy. - Yes, 'cause his career's not over. Whatever he was with the Bears, it does not clearly define him. He's still young. And we always talk about trying to salvage young players and not give up on young players. I'm not gonna give up on him. He's with Pittsburgh now. I hope when Trubisky was gone, I was rooting for Trubisky. - Yep. - It's fine. They're no longer on my favorite team, but what do I have against them? - That's not my problem anymore. It's like Michelle's late father told me. It's like, oh, you wanna marry my daughter? And it's your problem now. - Right. (laughs) - She's all yours. Have at it. - Are you comfortable with the offensive line, Ryan Poles? - I feel really good about the offensive line. Obviously, we're excited to see Darnell take the next step. I know he has the opportunity to be pretty special. Braxton's coming along and continuing to get better. And then we have with Bayes and Coleman competing inside. I think there's opportunity that we can be really talented and deep. And one of the kind of tough things we've had to do with the first two years is just a lack of depth and not enough versatility to really create the best five from week one all the way to the very end of the season. So we're happy with that group, but obviously that gotta continue to work, get better, and again, build that chemistry together. I think that's all fair. And that's gonna be a storyline here and camp going into the season. What's the offensive line gonna look like? You can put some new faces in there, but how can they work together to protect this young quarterback? There was always a storyline with Justin on that enough protection, which was true. But now they have to be able to work with this young quarterback who's still gonna get the clock in his head. This ain't the offensive line of USC from a couple of years ago where you could just roam free from left to right and be able to have running lanes or being able to throw down. You don't have the same time in college as the guys on the pros. You just don't have the same time. - Ball's gotta get out. - That's gonna be something, Cap. I mean, like all of these things we talked about with Justin in his first year, we're gonna talk about that with Kayla because he's a rookie. He's just now understanding, you gotta get command of the huddle. Oh, I gotta talk in this thing? - Yeah. - Yeah. There's not a placard of Cap and Cap's dog, Maverick and Chicago Cut and Fred Flintstone. I'll take the Fred Flintstone play. Those placards they hold up in college. - Yeah. - They don't have that with the players. - No, they don't. They do not, right. Call comes in, let's go. - I'll take the Cap play, the Cap placard, right there. All right, we're gonna run Cap. No, it's not college. You gotta, I mean, you have to know the playbook and be able to take command of the huddle with a bunch of veterans, hungry veterans that wanna win a championship. - Completely agree. - Courtney Cronin with the latest on the Bears next on Cap and Jhood. - Cap and Jhood, I'm back. - Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in. - On Chicago's home for sports. - ESPN Chicago. - Keep your beak out of this. - Click, click on me, Cronin. - Nashville, Chicago Bears, reporter for ESPN. - You have to temper expectations. If you are a Bears fan, just given everything that this team had to kind of undo. - Breaking down the Bears and the latest NFL storyline. - Paul's was given the flexibility and the freedom to take this thing down to the ground floor, down to the studs to be able to build it back up. - Courtney Cronin with Cap and Jhood. - On ESPN 1,000. - Chicago's home for sports. - Courtney Cronin covers the Chicago Bears for ESPN and ESPN.com, and she joins us on the hotline. - That'd be the car. - Tired on a hotline. - Hoodie. - Rattle, rattle, thunder, batter, boom, boom, boom. - Don't worry, call the correct state. - Good morning, Courtney, how are you? - I'm great. How are you guys doing? - We're doing great. - We are ready to rock and roll. We're looking forward to getting up to camp. It sounded like it was a good weekend for the offense, and which is a change because I remember in 2019, all the reports coming out. Mitch doesn't look very good. The offense doesn't look very good. Again, it's two days in, but it sounds like it's progress. Is that fair? - Yeah, I mean, we've only seen light practices. They've been just over an hour the last two days. They won't be in pads until. - Courtney. - Which gives them a look. - Sorry, guys, it went through my Bluetooth really quick. My apologies, I don't know how much you heard there. - Oh, good. - But, no, I mean, we've seen some light practices and it's a start. Like they will be in pads later in the week. I think it's Friday or Saturday. So then you'll get to see that intensity ramp up and get a better feel for what the offense, like where it's at right now. But I think some of my biggest takeaways, like stuff during the two-minute drill, if they were asking Caleb Williams yesterday by throwing that interception, the Tyreak Stevenson, he jumped the route and picked it off, they want him to test things. They want him to be situationally aware and to push it when he needs to. And that operation has some kinks to be worked out, but I would expect that to happen for a brand new quarterback and an offense he's still learning and an offense that everybody else is still learning. So by and large, it's a lot of good things. At the start of camp, it's just not a huge body of work to look at just yet. - Courtney, how crucial is this camp for, say, I'm trying to come up with someone that no one's asked you about, like a Tyler Scott, for instance? - Yeah. - Because we've got such a focus on Adunze and more and Alan rightfully so, but I do wonder about some of the others, like a Pettis or a Scott. So how crucial is it for them to compete? - Yeah, and throw Vailas Jones in the mix there too. I think that because of the kickoff rule, a lot of people are projecting he'll have a spot here as, you know, receiver four, five and six. Usually we're not squabbling over who gets those spots, but those are going to be important role player guys. So a special teams guy or even with Tyler Scott and that straight line speed. I know they've had him on kickoff return the last couple of days, you know, just work getting some reps back there, but yesterday and seven on seven, he probably caught the pass of the day from Caleb Williams and he's fast. Like, I know we saw it in moments last year, but some of that's probably clouded by the drop that he had in the end zone and the Denver game. And then of course, the pass he was not able to connect with Justin Fields in Detroit when they were trying to mount that comeback, but there's room for growth here. And someone like Tyler Scott, who's not going to have to be a number two or even a number three who can be, you know, your goal ball guy in certain situations. If that's the route that they want to go in plugging him into the offense, I think that there will be a more polished and defined role from what they're expecting from those sort of depth guys. And in Dante Pettis too, I mean, most 53 projections, I think mine comes out with the rest of ours at ESPN tomorrow. I have six on the roster. Historically, they've gone with that amount when they put the 53 together after training camp. And you can find roles for guys on kickoff coverage, on, you know, on punt return on all of those things where someone like Pettis can be involved there, same as a valus zone. But I feel like Tyler Scott will have more of a role on offense than any of those other deep down-the-depth chart receivers. - And you're a new depth chart, by the way. Is anyone questionable or out? - See, mine hasn't been input into the system yet, so I don't know. That one probably hasn't been touched. What was it? We thought Kevin Jenkins was the only one on the depth chart two years ago. The only player on the team, and he was questionable. So if that was the state of affairs then, that obviously wouldn't be good. - All right. - So talk to me today. I think it's Emmanuel Abaje and Janik and Gakwe are both in Miami. Are the bears at all interested in either of these guys? And if so, why are they waiting? - Well, you heard what Ryan Poll said the other day, and he's the one who brought up the Ed Druscher stuff in free agency. And I think it's 'cause he knew the question was inevitably going to be asked, because if you look at this defensive line group, it's really no different than it was last year. It has talent. Certainly Montes Flet changed the complexion of this defense, but I don't know if that's enough with this group to expect that they're going to make that big of a jump. It's, you know, you can't gauge the pass rush right now. And even when they get in pads, it's still a little hard to tell just because you can't hit the quarterback. But I think that they've got to be active and at least bringing somebody in for a workout. Like they've kept tabs on in Gakwe. Ryan Poll said that part of his rehab was done through the bears. They just haven't gotten their, you know, they haven't gotten a chance to like see where he's at right now in the process. But even when I checked back in on this in the spring, the goal was always for him to be ready to go by the start of training camp and I think he tweeted right around the draft that, you know, he was in that process. We might have seen him out running and cutting on the field, which was the next step of his develop, of his getting back process. But I would, you know, I don't think they'll be stagnant. I don't think they can afford to. Now, does that mean it might, if they can't get it in Gakwe, let's say if he does find somewhere else, do they pivot to a different option? Probably to at least look. But, you know, the benefit of the unique is that he's been in this defense. He's rushed alongside Montez Flatley. Some of his number, his number started to pick up and the back percentage started to pick up. When those two got together, you'd think that they would look at that and say, okay, well, let's see what a fully healthy season would be from the two of them. And knowing that they wouldn't have to pay the same price for Gakwe that they did last year. I think that they could, I think that they feel they could get him at not a steep discount, but definitely not one year, over 10 million guarantees. - In terms of the Khalil Herbert discussions, we were talking earlier on the show, the hard knocks where there's Joe Shane sitting at his desk and there's his owner and his personnel guys and his coach and they're all sitting there. Chicago's driving up the price on Saquon Barkley and the owner kind of walks out, he goes. And that'll really hurt if we lose him to Philadelphia's our most popular player. In terms of Herbert, now that Swift is here, Roshan Johnson, Travis Homer is Herbert in danger of not being on this roster? - He is one of the guys that I would have on the bubble entering camp just based on the numbers, based on like position numbers, what they're gonna do with their 53 and based on the fact that he doesn't give them much by way of pass protection. Roshan Johnson, that was one of the things that they raved about when they drafted him. And once you start to see more teamwork done, like to 11 on 11 when they have tabs on, if you're out at camp, keep an eye on the running back splits because they brought the Andre Swift in to be their lead back. And I think he will have a much bigger role here than he did in Philadelphia as far as catching passes out of the back fail. That's just something that the offense with Brian Johnson did not utilize last year. And I think that that was to their detriment. The Bears historically haven't had a consistent approach with that, which I think would be a nice change of pace, so to speak, in utilizing a running back who can get to yards in a lot of different ways. They know that the Andre Swift is that guy, but beyond behind him, is it Roshan Johnson? Is it Travis Homer who has familiarity in this offense? I mean, hell, he's been here for two years. He was here before Shane Waldron, but he also has the familiarity with Shane Waldron from their time in Seattle. So I don't know if they're gonna keep for running back. It feels like the Herbert thing, just knowing that he is going into a contract year, that would put him on a roster bubble to prove that he's a better number two than a Roshan Johnson. But Johnson is a guy that they spent a fourth round draft that gone two years ago, and they really seemed to like him. So if he can't, you don't have that element of pass, like added element of pass pro, and also the durability concerned, you know, with his ankle and the injury that he had last year, that might put him the odd man out. - Yeah, when we're talking off the air about Jordan Love, the quarterback for the Packers, as we stay in the division, the NFC North. So is today the day, Corey, is it this week? - So I have an update on that. I don't know if you saw this shit, Courtney Rob Demofsky just posted this. - GM Brian Goudacunz, meeting the media this morning, said he thinks they're close to an extension with Jordan Love, but on Saturday night, Love's representatives and four of the Packers Love will not practice until something gets done, something that Goudacunz said he completely understands. Love is in the building and in meetings, but he will not practice until this is final. - So Courtney, how much money do you think that is for Jordan Love? - You gotta be in the 50s, right? I mean, that's where the bar is set on an average, on a yearly basis. So it would probably be Jordan Love and then Dak. Like, do we think two is getting paid, or do you think that they're gonna ride that thing out? I... - I would ride it out if I'm the Miami Dolphins. - Oh, I mean, it's gonna be a hole in here. And that's not, you know, that's the right play because it's not like you have another quarterback you can just pencil in right now on that roster to go take you to, you know, the divisional playoffs. Love was terrific last year. The Packers know what they have. So getting something done, I understand it takes time and they have had time to paddle off season, but usually a deadline of trying to make sure that the whole team is out there for training camp. That should spur a little bit of action. So maybe it's not the first couple of days. Maybe it is closer to when they get into pads, which probably is, you know, the weekend, maybe even early next week for Green Bay. Once they start practicing, it's like Wednesday. But I would imagine, I mean, he won't reset the market, but he'll come close. If it's, you know, Trevor Lawrence money, which I think it's just right underneath where Burrow was or maybe right ahead, it should be somewhere in that range. - Any other nuggets we need to know before we spring it? - It's interesting with the center competition. So we were all under the impression, leaving, you know, free agency, start of the true off season that there wasn't really going to be much of a competition, but they were working Ryan Bates with the ones, two days ago, Coleman Shelton with the ones yesterday. And they're giving off at least the pretense that for now this is a competition. And I think there's benefit to that, but at what point do they want to make sure that the quarterback center exchange is the best it can possibly be and that you're not changing it on a day-by-day basis based on who you have in there. So the interior of the offensive line, like the other two spots at guard, Kevin Jenkins and Nate Davis have been practicing every single day. I mean, it's two days, but that's a good sign because we weren't saying the same thing about that last year early in camp, but that's a routine that has so few open position battles. That's one that I think, you know, we'll play out for at least a couple weeks till we see who's getting more of those one reps with Caleb Williams. - Courtney, we love the special, by the way, that was on Sports Center. - That was awesome. - Awesome, really cool. - Oh, thank you. That was a lot of fun to be a part of. I didn't realize like how cool graphics were. It's way over my head, how they put that together, but it was a neat thing to get to do ahead of the training camp starting. - Award-winning. - It was, that's award-winning stuff. It was really well done. - Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. - We appreciate it, Courtney. Thanks so much for coming on the show. - All right, talk to you guys in a few days, take care. (upbeat music) - Rattle, rattle, thunder, batter, boop, boop, boop. - We should follow a bit of the training. ♪ Don't worry, call the comments ♪ - Hey, that's Steve. - My God, says they're trash. That's not right. Hey, Alexa, ask Cap and Jay Hood. We'll get to that next on Chicago's Home for Sports. (beep) This took Dave's headline, headline, with Cap and Jay Hood. - Bring yes, bring yes, bring yes. - My ass is broad, Jay Moore, I'm right here. All of it. (laughing) Take a look at the headlines here. The Cubs lost two out of three against the Diamondbacks at Wrigley Field this weekend. Their 18th consecutive innings without scoring a run was, they were able to tie that for the longest streak of the season before they scored in the ninth inning, and won an extra as yesterday. 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Cap and Jay Hood are back on ESPN Chicago, Chicago's home for sports. It's a Captain Jay Hood morning show on ESPN1000 and streaming of the ESPN Chicago app with you until 10 o'clock then. My Greenberg comes in at 10 followed by Carmen Yurko at 12. What on Sylvia, 230 into White Sox baseballs that take on the Texas Rangers, 630 pregame right here on the home of the White Sox, ESPN1000, Black and Dollar. You can find them on YouTube, YouTube.com. Look for Black and Dollar there or on the ESPN Chicago app. Ask Alexa. Here's Shane Orley. Shane. Well, yeah, I was watching the news over the weekend. And there was a story that Alexa has a new feature. Amazon's smart speaker. You can now ask Alexa to talk Gen Z to you. And Alexa will explain to you Gen Z slang terms. All right. So I want to ask you two, if you know the definition, more so cap-- because I think Cody's with it a little more than Cap in terms of Gen Z lingo. Stick it. Why do you keep telling him to stick it? Because he's-- it's not a shot at you. It is a smash me. Hey, Cap's not with it. I got four kids now. I got people that keep me with it. I got daughter-in-laws. Yes. We'll see. I want to ask you to define some Gen Z terms for me. We're going to start with this aura. Define aura. You asking me? Yeah. You asking hoodie. Both of you. You asking both of us. It'd be the vibe around you, the aura that you give off, the vibe that you give off. I think that's close. It's aura means something that's cool. That's more accurate. Something that's cool. In Gen Z terms, you got it or you don't. If you have aura, you're cool. If you don't, you have no aura. Right. You're just vanilla. You're not cool. Anthony Edwards has aura. Yes. Yeah, that's true. Correct. Anthony Edwards, a big part of this program. Brain yes. Would you get out of there? Ant? I love ant. Go ahead. All right, cat, how about bussing? Something that's hot. Something that's-- yes. He's bussing. That outfit is bussing on you. Yeah. I guess that's if you spill your food on your bussing clothes. It's something that tastes good. Something that's really good. Top shelf. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Bussing is good, basically. More so in terms of food, I think it's used. Like this is bussing, rather than he's bussing. I don't think that would be used so much. Nice shirt. It's bussing. I don't think that would happen. Quite as often as your meal is excellent. That salad is bussing. That's how you want to say it, Cap. Go ahead. What about chuggy? What? Chuggy. No clue. You got a guess? Chuggy. Chuggy, C-H-E-U-G-Y. That's the type of sweater, isn't it, Jay Moore? Chuggy sweater now. That'd be crudgy. [LAUGHTER] No idea what that is. Chuggy. I'm trying to think of the-- Chuggy. I don't know-- you know what? I have a better hazard of guess. You've got to at least guess. Chuggy-- it sounds like that's something that's good. I have no clue. I think there's something that's positive or good. Go ahead. Chuggy means basically lame or out of style. If somebody's wearing clothes that look like they're 10 years dated, they're chuggy. Or if they're trying to put together a style that's dated, chuggy. Yeah, it's the opposite of trendy. I just looked it up. Yeah. All right, what else? How about cooked, Cap? You're done. It's over. You're cooked. Like the cubs. The cook. Um, I've heard it used that way. Oh, you know what? I've heard it in this way. I've heard it this way. It is like, hey, hold on. Shades got something going on here. Let him cook. Let him talk. You've got-- he's cooking right now. Let him cook. He's got a thought on the bears. Let him cook. Correct. So you're both right. Because it can be like if you went off, if you're insulting somebody and you snapped, you cooked. You cooked there. I'm going to be cooked. Thank you. Thank you very much. It also can mean dead. Like the cubs are cooked. They're out of gas. It's over. I've heard more of the way I just said it, though. Like, hey, Shades got a real good thought here. Let that man cook. Don't interrupt him. Let him cook. In the present, it's let him cook. But when they say you're cooked, you lost. It's over. The difference between a verb and an adjective, I think. There you go. Cook and cooked. There you go. All right, what else? What about drip, Cap? If you've got drip, you've got style, like, hobby by his head drip, man. Swag. I've never been out with him, so I don't know how he was dressed. But I have. I think, would you say he's a high fashion guy? I'll be biased. He's cool. He's got drip. I would say what you're wearing is drip. Clothes, shoes, all the whole thing. Yeah. Fair? That's exactly right. I'm impressed with the Gen Z knowledge from Kaplan. I wonder, hoodie, if he'll understand this one. Giat, G-Y-A-T. Giat, hoodie, do you know? I do. But I'll let Cap come up with it. I think it means, like, get the F out of here. Giat. He's gone. I'm gone with you. Ah! You know, it's a term that Cap used when he's trying to get his bag back from the airport. As he was dropping GDEs everywhere. That's all. I think that that's what that means. It means something derogatory towards somebody. I want my GDE bag back. Take that! It's not derogatory. It is a little objectifying. Typically, Giat is used when someone is thick in the rear end. Oh. Oh, Giat. But it is often used in a GDE way, hoodie. Oh, OK. I-E. Yams. Yeah. Thank you very much. Now we brought it back to Generation X. Thank you very much. Look at the yams on her. 2-2, fouled away. Cut holes at two balls and two strikes. Swing and a miss for Cap on Giat. What about EAT? Yeah. Which one? I-C-K. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you think it is, yeah. Terrible. Yeah. That's exactly right. You get the I-E-K. Like, my wife uses this. He tries it straight. Yeah. But it's usually, like, if somebody says something that's cringe, another one of the Gen Z lingos. Yeah, like Nick Friedel and his awful take. Nick's giving you the I-E-K. Sitting back here in the producers booth. Nick Friedel's giving you the I-E-K. Right. Damn. You know, I know that's supposed to be a new term, but I've got a feeling that we've heard this for years. Ick. Yes. That's not new to us. You were kids, Ick. To take this medicine. That's Icky. Yes. Yeah. Ick. Yeah. Didn't seem new. One more for you, Capy. Zaddy. Spell it. Z-A-D-D-Y. Zaddy. No clue. No, think about it. Think about it. Zaddy. So instead of a Z in that spot, usually you get a what? A D, Daddy. OK. And so when you get Daddy, who calls you Daddy? That's not your kids. Calls me Daddy, that it's not my kids. Yeah. What? Why calls you Daddy, right? OK. A Daddy. There's no shot. Yes. Oh my gosh. Come here, Daddy. OK, thanks. You've been out of town for a few days, Daddy. OK. Oh my gee. Wait just a moment. Next, don't worry. Just a moment. So if it's Daddy, then it's Zaddy. So Zaddy would mean that you're more than just a Daddy. Now you're a sugar Daddy. You're a Zaddy. You look good, and you also supply money for the opposite sex. Got it. Now you're not necessarily the sugar Daddy aspect. Well, I mean, I think it's like women use this when they see a very good looking older man. Gen X may know Silver Fox. Yes, Gen Z knows Zaddy. Hey Zaddy, how are you going? That, right? Yes. Yes, Zaddy, you better work it. Yes. I didn't do too bad. [LAUGHS] That's good, man. How about that, Jay Moore? You better work at Zaddy. Yes. [LAUGHS] Yes. Do you think that confidence ever used Zaddy for Kathy? I'm sure-- I'm sure in his life, before Mindy, I'm sure he was a Zaddy. [MUSIC PLAYING] You better turn to the right. You better turn to the right. You're doing a hokey-pokey. [LAUGHS] All right, there you have it. You know what? We didn't do too badly. We hung in. A baby born at Gen X, or finding out what the terms are for Gen Z. That's it. That's bad. Pretty good. We have the cap and jighood cut of the day, and also Nick Friedell has stopped by to challenge you. Yeah, he's going to get bludgeoned. Well, he's going to talk to you about Mr. Ricketts. That's it. Hi, Mr. Ricketts. Good to say it. How's the farm doing? So we look forward to that conversation. That is coming up next on cap and jighood. [MUSIC PLAYING] Follow Chicago's home for sports on Twitch at ESPN 1000 Chicago. Cap and jighood are back on Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. Now time for the cap and jighood cut of the day. Brought to you by Chicago Cut Stay Coss. Best burger in town, baby. That's right. I'm LaSalle, north side of the Chicago River. Jamor. Yo. Yes, it's boring, but it's a sport. Oh. Whatever. Cut it. It's not boring. OK, then you're boring. All right. [MUSIC PLAYING] Cap is good to see you again, friend. Great to be back with you, my friend, at an awesome week off. Got a new dog. They recognize you coming through the door. Why? I wasn't sure if it was you or me or Jamor. Brother. The bronze god has walked in. Black yaw, and I'm black yaw, and I'm black, and I'm black, and I'm black yaw, I'm bliggly black, black, and I'm black yaw, because I'm black, and I'm black. Got a little cock. I don't know. A little. A lot of sun. I was out on the water. My god. That was great. The sun loves you. And I'm black yaw. And that's all, folks. The cap and jighood cut of the day. Brought to you by Chicago Cut Stay Coss. David Flem, Matt Moore, the best burger in town. If you have a business meal, a lunch, a dinner with family, or friends, a romantic interlude, Tom LaSalle, North Side, of the Chicago River. Long of the bronze god, I am Jay Hood. We bring in now Nick Friedell. The bronze god. I mean, look at him. Wow. My god. Look at him. My god. Jesus, it's incredible. That's it. Nick, you're still in town. Good to see you, my friend. I can't stay away. I missed it too much. But yeah, I get a call from my main cap on Friday. I'm standing at Murphy's at this bachelor party. And he's yelling at me because I was yelling at him for calling Tom Ricketts Mr. Ricketts. What's wrong with calling him Mr. Ricketts? It's not like a hangout with him. You're putting him on a pedestal, my man. That's a sign of respect. The guy owns the cubs. What I want desperately is for this guy to spend money like we're in the third biggest market in the country. And if Jed's not the guy, then get him out of here. But my point to you always has been that I'm never ever going to put all the blame on Jed Hoyer because I feel like Jed Hoyer has been taking plenty of bullets for Tom Ricketts for a lot of years. And as I sat at Riggly at this bachelor party with 40,000 other people yesterday paying $15 a beer and the $13 for a hot dog in the bleachers. I thought this is an insane joke because what I'm watching is what the bulls have done for years and years and years. And it feels more pronounced than it has in a long time. Okay, now that we've heard from Murph, what do you think? Well, my problem with what Nick is saying and could the cubs spend more money? A hundred percent, they could. They've also spent like 60 million more than anyone in their division, hold on a second. Hold on a second, hold on a second. When I look at a lineup of a Maya 202, morale 215, Swanson 213, and I can keep going. And you're starting master of Boney at third who just now broke the Mendoza line. That ain't Tom making those decisions. That's the front office that put that crap ass roster together. Then it's time to get rid of him. Maybe. But I mean, that's what you're pointing to. But Steve Cohen went out and spent 330 million and he finished next to last. I'm not saying ever that money is the end all be all and that's gonna fix every problem. But my problem with Tom Ricketts from the very beginning was that he was never spending. He was third in payroll and they were winning. No, no, no. I'm talking about it from the beginning. He was never investing in the Major League products. Saying, hey, I'm putting it all in the minor leagues. I'm putting it all overseas. I'm gonna bring the right people in to get the job done. The ticket price has always stayed the same cap. And they have stayed the same all along. And I'm just coming at this as a fan because I think that there are a lot of different ways that they could spend more certainly. And if you don't have the right people in place, then get them out of here. But I am so sick and tired of hearing, well, we've spent more than every team in the division. The divisions don't matter. Every team in baseball is playing each other every year now, somewhere. It's just to compare to Milwaukee and St. Louis is ridiculous. I want him to spend like the top tier teams in the league. I want him to spend like you're going after and have a chance for every free agent who hits the market. If Jed's not the guy, get him out. But I hate the way "Post World Series" that everything has been put into place. They gave away Darvish for nothing 'cause they didn't want to pay 'em. They continue to fill up this park and charge 15 bucks for a beer. And the return on investment for a fan hasn't been there. And you always say, all right, they spent money and these guys aren't very good. Think it, new players. - Totally agree. - And get the front office. - Totally agree there. But it's not all about how much you spend. It's who you spend it on. - I agree. - And when the number one manager hit the market, it's gonna cost us the biggest contract in the history of the sport, they wrote it. - Right, they wrote it for a manager. And who, what kind of players did they sign up on? - I mean, that's the front floor. - But for me, it falls at Jed's feet more than time. It does. - Okay, then Jed's gotta go. And thank you for your service and helping the Cubs finally get the World Series. Then Jed's gone. That's what it keeps going. I listen every day, every day. And what it keeps feeling like is nobody wants to flat out come out and say, Jed, it's over. But that's what it sounds like. So Jed, it's over. And Ricketts to his ever less than credit hired the right guy years ago, Theo did it. He made it all happen. My problem with Ricketts is that they never spend at the level they should be for a team in this place that is playing in a cash cow of cash cows that makes God only knows how many millions of dollars all day, every day. - Again, could they spend more? Yes. - Yes. - But put the blame more, it belongs. - All right, so we've come to this realization. It's time for Jed to go. - It might be. - No, no, no, no, no. It can't be, it might be anymore. He's been here 13 years, it's time. That is the resolution here. So if you're trying to absolve Ricketts, he spent his money, it's time. - And I'm not absolving him. All I know is the Cubs are eighth in payroll. - Right, but now they're up to seventh. - But cap. - 227 million. - But that is a problem for me as a fan. That's what I keep telling. That's why we're texting. - Okay, let me ask you a question. Would top five make you happy? - Absolutely. - Top five, they should be top three. - They're six million from the top from number five. - But this is the problem I've always had. We don't have enough time to get into all this stuff. This is the problem. - From Chicago. - Take that. (laughing)