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And Cap, once again, you and I, watching Chicago baseball, and once again, two unhappy households. The Kaplan household and the Hood household, unsatisfied by the effort for the Cubs and the White Sox yesterday. Unbelievable. I cannot wait for the gates to open in Lake Forest so we can start talking football on a regular basis again. Caleb Williams, optimism, all that. 'Cause this sucks on a nightly basis. - So watching the game and you and I are texting back and forth, and I first of all want to read-- - Oh, God. - Text that, God. And my guy, Hoodie is the greatest. You texted me last night during the ballgame. - Six six now. - And it said, "Get ready to go, Cleveland Moneyline, "Cappy Copac coming in." I said, "I'll be rooting for you." Of course, they score on a fly ball of the center. Now, I know that Andres Jimenez is one of the faster dudes in the game. And he's on third with one out. It is a medium fly ball. The chance that Robert's gonna throw him out is gotta be, I don't know, two in 10, maybe, maybe at that. And Robert does not even round the ball the way you're taught to come in a little crow hop, they call it, bam, let it go with all your momentum and take a shot. If the guy scores, ballgame's over, you lose. And we play the game, as her med words would say, to win the baseball game. I don't care if there's 700 games under 500. You play one way, you play the right way, period. It's like manners when you're eating, I tell my kids. We don't have company manners and then eat like a slob at our table, not gonna happen. We eat one way, we play the game one way, we play hard all the time, we try to win. He just caught the ball, I think he forgot how many outs there were and caught it, just stood there and watched, oh, there he goes home. My question is, why does the manager do nothing about it, not say a word in the post game where he didn't even wanna address it? It's asked of him, he doesn't even wanna address it. That bothers me, had I been his general manager and you and I've talked about this, last night. Yeah, come in in the hotel and cleaver. Oh, hey Chris, what's up? Pedro, I appreciate everything. I called your agent, we'll have a check sent to you for what we owe you, we're changing managers. Tonight, done, because they have a loser's mentality and that guy tolerates it, that makes him a loser. He tolerates this nonsense, ridiculous, horrible effort and the guy had four RBIs last night and it'll be best remembered for not even attempting to throw home and the question I had, I went at it with someone on Twitter and I said, well what if, just on the off chance that Jimenez slipped, won in a million, as he's running, he stumbles. He could get up and crawl home because nobody threw the ball, that's a loser, that's what a loser does. The pitch, swinging a pop fly out in the center, Robert's drifting back, trying to get behind the ball. Jimenez tags and the guardians are gonna win, Robert, they didn't even make a throw. They just could not get behind it and it was plenty deep enough, as it was. Yeah, he was not gonna throw him out from catching that, even if he did get behind it. A game ending sack fly and the guardians beat the Sox seven to six. - Well, let me make sure that Len and DJ understand something, let me make sure they understand something right here on the home of the White Sox, ESPN 1000. I don't care if he didn't have a beat on the ball, if he felt like he couldn't throw him out. You give the effort because you're a professional. Darren Jackson's better than that. He's better than that, because the competitor and DJ would have said, I'm going to throw it, if I gotta throw my arm out, I'm gonna put it toward home plate. Hey, anything could happen, but the point is, you just don't catch the ball and say, oh well, a 63rd loss, it's just like any other night, let's go to the next game. That's not right, that's not showing competitive spirit. It doesn't matter whether that he could throw him out or not. It's the idea that you're a dead-ass ball club, and then you do that. You scratch and claw your way back into the game. You score two runs in the sixth, three runs in the seventh. It's six, six, I know that it was a fair to complete. As soon as I saw Copic go through the gates in Cleveland, that'll be all, because I know it was a non-save situation. It was a whole situation. There's no way that Copic can get out of this, because I'm a light socks fan, I know what that looks like. But the idea that you don't even throw toward home plate is a microcosm of how dead this baseball team is. I don't care, DJ and Len, that well, he wouldn't have had to play anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is, is that you give effort. It's almost like Robert said, you know what, I carried the ball club, I gave you four RBIs, two for four, I gave you a home run. That's all I need to do tonight, that's all. But you're not gonna do the other end, the extra. I mean, the idea that also, that in the infield, that you're trying to make a play at third base, and then the young throws the ball into someone's back. Man, you can't even throw a ball to third base. This team is awful, and I'm gonna tell you something else. I have never been in my career. You can say whatever you wanna say about me as a fan, as a broadcaster, whatever. But in my career, I have never been one to be a coach killer, saying, you know what, this guy should be fired, this guy should be, I've never been that guy. Because I know that the players and management and ownership, for the most part, do what they can to be able to win. We get poke holes in it because we're fans. We can see the underachievement when teams are not fairing well. But let me just tell you right now, call me late to the party, whatever. I don't wanna see Pedro Gefal in a White Sox uniform as the manager of this ball club. I'm surprised when I woke up this morning that he's still the manager of the team. I know I've been indifferent to Gefal since he's been here because there's no way he's gonna win here. You just know that there's not a commitment to winning over there at 35th in Shields, and that's fine, Cap. The point is, is that he should not be in place as manager. It doesn't change the fortunes of the White Sox, but ultimately, here's a guy that makes promises. When he came in, talked about, we're gonna play hard, and we're gonna beat your ass and all this stuff. All these declarative statements he said, you've seen the clips about how Pedro Gefal talked about the kind of baseball the White Sox are gonna play. Cap, I haven't seen any inkling of that. Of course, you gotta win the way you win, you gotta have players, but you don't even have a way of playing baseball. There is no White Sox style outside of suck. So the promises that he made, Gefal, talking about how we're gonna play hard, and we're gonna run the bases hard, and all this other stuff, you're not seeing that. When you don't throw the ball in in a crucial situation, even if you're not gonna throw the guy out, you gotta make the effort. Not making the effort tells you where the White Sox are as an organization. They don't play for Gefal, they don't play for each other, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. Today, Gefal should be fired. I'm never that guy, but that's enough, Cap. That's enough. You can't just keep going out there. You're gonna lose 100 plus ball games. We said that at March, but it's, and there's a lot of teams that are just not good. You still have enough talent, but when you don't have enough effort and you're beating yourself, that's even worse. That's worse. We've seen, I've seen bad teams on the north side and the south side, all my life. And we, when you, at WGN down the street would say, "Hey, you know what, I'm looking at this roster. "This team's not good enough." Me over here saying as a Sox fan, "Eh, you know what, we're not gonna contend, "maybe next year." But when you beat yourself, that's the worst. That's the worst. So not only you do not have talent, but you're beating yourself too. Yeah, I'm not throwing the ball in. Yeah, I'm gonna throw it into a runner's back because I can't complete a double play. I don't run the base as well. I don't know how many outs there are. That's when you're beating yourself. I don't want to see it anymore. That's enough. - That was awesome. You are exactly correct. And there is no commitment to playing the game the right way over there. Whether it was guys jogging down to first, well, it's growing a little tight. Then don't be in the lineup. Either you play the game the right way, or you don't play. If he had hit a ball last night to the morning track, and he ended up catching it running toward the wall, okay, I got it, not gonna happen. That was a medium center field fly ball. He never even, you heard Len say, and I'll disagree with Len, I love Len. He said rounding the ball, trying to come in to get momentum on the, he never even did that. No, he just stood back battling and flat footed. Ball game over. And if you go watch, and I like Michael Copac, I know he's struggling. He needs a fresh start. He needs a fresh set of eyes on him. Guys got electric stuff. He stood there, did you see him? He walked toward the foul line, and he's looking back like he didn't even try. - No. - No. And so, but again, that's the ball club. That's the ball club. That's what it looks like, Kat. I mean, so Pedro before I was asked, what's going on with Robert, the ninth inning, what there is no throw, what happened there? - You know, first of all, he's playing. You know, 'cause we just want to know, Paul was hit 309 feet, 310 feet. He's playing and he's going back. You know, even if he runs back and comes in, I mean, there's no play there. I mean, we're gonna dissect that. We're making something out of nothing really. That's not, you know, I thought I got out from there. - Damn, but that's not the point, Pedro. The point is your guy just quit on the play. Game over, not even gonna try. Didn't even try and round over behind the ball to get momentum on the throw. His teammates were looking back like, wow. And if you listen to the play-by-play call from John Shrippen, they were incredulous. Nobody wants to throw their teammates under the bus. I get it. That was a joke. - Shrippen said, no, no, that's unacceptable. Let's throw it to Chuck and Aussie. That was it. - Yeah. - And I think that's stone-conquered. You, again, as a competitor, you still have to have the effort. Again, maybe a lot of us can't relate to that because we've never been in major league baseball uniforms, but even if you're on your favorite softball team, for God's sakes, throw the ball in. I don't care, but 24, that was at 24 in 63 play. They're every bit of 24 in 63. And so for Pedro to just be indifferent to it, that tells me that he's indifferent to this job and indifferent to try to make this team better. So you're just not gonna do anything, right? It's almost like I said we're effing flat and so now I can't say anything about the ball club now. Well, if you're afraid by a dog, if you're afraid to say something with your ball club, this is on you. It's on Chris Getz. It's on Jerry Ryan's door. But also Pedro, look around. Again, here's a guy who is supposed to be a-to-be manager just to say, okay, for some of our young guys, we're gonna make sure they're major league baseball ready. When Grafalle was hired, I told you at the time, I'm indifferent to it because he's not gonna win anything here. Whether it's the GM, whether it's the owner, they're not gonna win anything here. But the idea that this goes unchecked, then he doesn't need to be here. If he gives a shoulder shrug to that, that we're making a big deal out of this. Okay, well then, you don't need to be here. Find a manager that does make this a big deal. You know who would think this a big deal? David Ross, he would think that's a big deal. How about that? - You're exactly correct. - I'm just saying, like, I'm never that guy cap, but and we have fun on this show and we talk about things and hope that our teams get better, but there's no need for him to be in the dugout today. Absolutely not. - Three, two, in the air, isn't deep enough. Yes, Robert makes the catch. Here comes Jimenez, no throw, Guardians win it. - You're hip, no throw. - Tom Hamilton, happy. - Yes. - Down to ESPN Cleveland, happy. - That guy's awesome, by the way. - I mean, there you have it, Cap, but that's it. Now, from bad to worse, the Cubs play the Phillies yesterday. And what was the preview from David Kaplan? Hey, kid, no Schwabber, no Harper. We should be able to hang in there. No shot. - No shot. - No shot. We'll talk about it next on Captain Jay Hood. (upbeat music) - Captain Jay Hood, our back. - I appreciate your show. I'm an Uber driver and for 7 at 10 every day, I've got you locked in. - Chicago's home for sports, ESPN Chicago. - It's a Captain Jay Hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Here's hoping that you have a great Wednesday and a great holiday week. And glad that you're with us. We'll have a shot of no shot coming up at a clock right here on Captain Jay Hood. Just one other point, Cap, about the White Sox. It's just, we've seen this before at times, where there's a hitter that just gets a hold of one, right? And the outfielder doesn't even move. - Yep. - The pitcher is a little pissed that he gave up the home run. That's one thing that the other side is like, "Hey man, can you give me a little effort?" Yeah, I mean, can you just kind of trot back to the wall a little bit? So that was the equivalent what we saw yesterday of Colpeck just staring in at Robert saying, "Hey man, listen, you fight to the end. You gave up the fight in the ninth." - He did. - That's the point, is that as a competitor, you fight through the end. It's not the, well, the percentages say that one out of 10 chances he would have it. - This, well, you don't need analytics. That just comes from baseball instinct. Hey man, for my teammate, I'm going to give it all. I'm going to throw, I'm going to pull my arm out, that rifle, and throw it to home plate. I may not get them, but at least I'm going to try. I'm not going to let just the guardians just walk over us and just win here in the ninth. I'm going to try. Yeah, you're going to lose the ball game. The ball game was lost when Colpeck went through the gate because it's not a safe situation. I told Charlie, I don't have the metrics on it, but you and I have watched enough baseball to know that when you bring a closer in in a non-closing situation or a tie ball game in a whole situation and not a safe situation, there's failure there, failure. And I know that Colpeck couldn't hold it. But again, those White Sox beat themselves as much as the guardians beat them yesterday. - And then we turn our attention to the Chicago National League Ball Club. I want to read you something. This is the batting averages, OBP, slug, all of it for the bottom of the cub lineup. Chris Morrell, 195 with a 304 on base percentage. That's awful, 370 slug, that's awful. And he leads your team at home runs, embarrassing. Dan'sby Swanson, 289, yeah, 289 on base percentage, a 359 slug at a robust 214 batting average. Pete Kormstrung, 188, 238, 271. Tomas Nido, 202, 238, 323. We brought in that vaunted hitter off the bench, master of bony, 146, 226, 167 slug and a Maya, 189, 253, 260. Do you know how bad you have to be to have that as the bottom four or five guys in your lineup? That is White Sox, A's, Rockies, Marlin's bad. And that's why the Chicago Cubs wake up this morning in dead last and the third worst team in the National League. Well, the scouting reports or what we talked about before the game was no swabber, no Harper. Doesn't mean that you're going to win the ball game. That's not a guarantee. But the two of their big boppers are out. And then, of course, you have a youngster in Mercado on the mound. Did the Cubs look at the scouting board? They look at the tape on Mercado 'cause they only scratched two hits and two walks and four strikeouts. - I mean, Michael Mercado, good old number 63. He was, I believe, acquired from Tampa Bay. I think he was drafted by Tampa Bay originally. He's 25 years of age. He made his Major League debut last night and was just tremendous. He, look, this wasn't like Paul Skeens making his debut against you when he came in. Okay, Paul Skeens was the number one overall pick. Everyone believes he's going to win Rookie of the Year. He's going to be a perennial also. That's different. Michael Mercado shut you down like it was unreal. I sat there and watched it with my family. We watched the Sox and then we watched the Cubs game. And it's amazing to watch how inept this team is offensively. I've never seen anything like it. And yet they run the same guys out there day after day. They don't claim anybody off of DFA. They don't make a trade. They don't call up Canario from the Miners who's hitting, I think, 246 but has 15 bombs. Nothing, not taking a chance. You know what's here, is it working? And you keep watching your season, spiral right down the toilet drain. I want to just ask you if this is as bad or worse than after the championship season for the Cubs. Because we do recall cap in 18 and 19 where the Cubs had a hard time scoring runs. And we were asking at the time, how come, you know, Jed or Theo, how come they don't change things up? Where you still stuck with the core, but that core stopped hitting. It just that the well was dry offensively. Do you think this is as bad or worse as, 'cause that time, I'm sure you were saying it 'cause I know I was saying it. Amen, sometimes you just have to be able to take out some of these pieces and say, all right, let's change the dynamic offensively. And it was always the same. You recall this, right? - I do, and I remember, and I know Jay Moore's got the audio somewhere in that system. If he could find it, I think it's apropos to play today. It was Theo Epstein saying at the end of the 2018 season, our offense is broken. You remember this? - I do. - Broken. And yet their big move going into that off season was Daniel Discalso. Daniel Discalso. Who was horrible here? Horrible. You look at this team now, I think this team's far worse offensively than that team when he called it broken. Broken, this one, this has gone off the cliff. It's a car wreck. I hope I'm never in that situation, but if a car leaves the road and is going over a cliff. - Oh God, clear it out, Harry. Sorry. - Fine. - If your car is launched off the road. - Hello, my honey. - All of a sudden you're like, it's over. - Just awful. - What am I gonna do? - It's over. - Get here, it's starting. - Oh, just unbelievable. Just wine soaked in Wisconsin, all through his throat. - Hello, baby, hello, my God, hello, my rag on gas. - Just awful. - All that Wisconsin mozzarella. - Oh, just on me, just the... - I didn't have any mozzarella, I had wine. - Just that, that's what it said, just the whiskey voice, the wine voice, just soaked in Wisconsin. - Just ate up late plain Singapore, Jim. - Not drinking it, playing it. - Oh, just with my kids and my wife and I finished the dead last. Six, not a six, I got crushed. Never keep the joker in your hand, ever. - Well, that's too late for that. - Correct, been married for a long time. - But if a car goes off the cliff, I would imagine you're thinking in mid-air, well, this isn't good, this is it, it's over. That's where this team is. It is over, there is no run coming, and there is no 2023, win 10 of 12, dance bees on the injured list, begging the GM to keep them to get, no, no more. Start trading now, jump the market, that's it. Here we go, oh, Yankees, you want Bellinger? Jesse reported on our show, Monday morning. Yankees are tracking Bellinger, you can have him. There you go, I'm clearing the decks. - Wow. - Get the money out of here, move him. - Jaymore, let's go. - Jaymore, are you hearing this? Are you hearing this? - Yes. - This man, David Kaplan. - Jaymore is busy looking for Theo calling me up. - No, no, no, I want to make sure that Jaymore is making sure he marks this for us. This man has waved the white flag on the Chicago Cubs this morning, on July 3rd. Is that what you just did? - I did. - You just waved the white flag on the cub? - It's over. - Oh God. But what about-- - You want to surprise me on September 8th and go, while they're back in it, I'll bet you that's not going to be the case. Wow, just can we get the training camp for the Bears already? - It's the wrong W flag. He just declared that the season's over. I declared the sock season was over in February. But the point is, though, is that cap, the optimism. What about the run for the cub? Not coming. It's not, wow. What do you tell me? Chris Morrell's going to hit like a 330 clip, get his batting average to a decent level? No, not going to happen. And again, I don't call for hitting coaches and pitching coaches to lose their gigs, because like Tommy Hottavy, his bullpen's horrible, but his starting rotation's outstanding. It's the same guy coaching both of them. Maybe it's the man who put the pieces there. The guys that run it, Jeddon Carter, okay, on the offensive side, I can't believe that Dustin Kelly, vaunted hitting coach that he must be, is going into the dugout going at, with two strikes, I'd like you guys to take the fastballs down the middle. I don't believe he's telling them that. - He's not. My god. - But can I watch? Suzuki takes more pitches right in the middle of the zone. Morrell, right in the middle of the zone. And dance me? Dance me may as well just use a bat made of Swiss cheese, 'cause he's got, he's impotent at the plate, impotent. - This is breaking news. I mean, everyone knows how I feel about the White Sox. There's a reason why that I became a Padres fan for the season in boycott of what the White Sox are doing. But you're saying today that after these Cubs lost with no Harper and no Schwabber. And by the way, it's not about those two. It's about a whole team, including Trey Turner, who also will kick your ass too, as we saw yesterday. - Yep. - You're saying that that's all. Even though you're going to be able to get a Ben Brown returning, you'll get a Mark Leiter Jr. returning. You'll get a-- ♪ Wicks, wicks, crazy real weeks ♪ - Coming off of the I.L. as well. - Merry weather. Cap, you're getting players back in the second half of the season to make a run. - A what? - Well, a little run. - Okay, you mentioned a couple of bullpen pieces. - Yes. - What about the offense? I read you the bottom of that lineup. You're telling me they're all going to start hitting like Ted Williams? - Oh, no, no, no. - Tony Gwyn? - Oh, no, no, no. As you always tell me, it's about that bullpen. Even though I've been telling you since May, hey man, you need to get some offense. - I don't disagree, but when you blow 17 saves, everybody starts to press like, oh God, here we go. And it affects everything. That bullpen was an ill-conceived idea from the day they all showed up at spring training. - I understand them. - Shame on them. - Yeah, I understand. However, it's not like I'm separating myself from the pitching staff, clear it out for God. I'm not separating myself from the pitching staff if I'm an offensive player. I feel empathy for my teammates that are struggling, but I gotta do my job. - That's not how it is though. When you consistently show up, all right, four, two, and the ninth. Oh, we lose. Oh, we got a six-three lead in the ninth. They score four, the Giants. Guess what? At some point, everyone starts to press then. A great bullpen could save so many games. And instead, the Cubs have given them away. Period. - I understand, but I mean, you are waving the white flag at 39 and 47. Okay, can you imagine telling yourself in January that we don't even get to the trade deadline and cap his way of the white flag on this season? - No, no, because we all thought-- - Pathetic. - Well, we all thought, and listen, I'll be the first to raise my hand and say, "Hey, Charlie, last year the Cubs actually "had a chance to be able to get it done, "but Jed did not believe in the ball club "because he did not supply enough relief pitching "to get you over the hump." This year, I thought, okay, Jed learned from his mistakes last year and not believing in the ball club, and so now this is gonna get better. It's more than just a player or two that you need now. First of all, the players you have in place are not hitting the baseball. That's one thing, you know? So even your key guys that you rely on offensively had the baseball, and then on top of that, after the starter leaves, there's always a worry from the Cubs fans saying, "Oh my God." So whatever lead we have, it's never safe because the bullpen is filled with holes, including the closer. So that's tough, that's a tough way to go. - Yeah, it's pathetic, is what it really is, pathetic. Like, how are you gonna fix your catching? You're gonna go out and find a catcher? Amaya, Amaya looks limp offensively. - Super, just great, really fired up. Tomos, Nido, oh stop. There's a reason the Mets DFA'd him. We just changed the deck chairs on the Titanic. That's all we did. Okay, Gomes, get out, we'll bring in Nido. - Yeah. - Yeah. Nido is just a little bit shorter letters for the guy you have to stitch on the back of the jersey. - That's unbelievable. - That's it, same guy. - So, Cap has waved the white flag on the Cubs. What does that mean for Jet Hoyer, the rest of the Cubs management? Also, we were talking about what happened with the White Sox. I mean, if you're a Sox fan, you can, if you watch that game or listen to it here on ESPN 1000, that's enough for Pedro Grafalle. And by the way, that doesn't change the fortunes. The ball club's still gonna lose 100 games. But the point is though, is that just the little things, the fundamentals, all the stuff that Pedro talked about with the White Sox are gonna be, it's a complete opposite. You know, when it was better, those fundamentals? Under La Russa, how about that? 3-1-2-3-3-2 ESPN. - 93 wins under La Russa, with a lot of the same talent. Oh, by the way, Tim Anderson's back on the market. You want him back? - 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our telephone number. We'll take your phone calls. Also, you will hear from Craig Council, the manager for the Cubs. We're here, his thoughts about the Cubs and our loss against the Phillies. We will talk about that coming up next on Cap and J-hood. - Checkmate 1-6, landing a suppression on target. - That's why I see him in my shot. - Or no shot with Cap and J-hood on ESPN 1000 and ESPN Chicago app. - That's why I see him in my shot. - Good morning and welcome in to the Cap and J-hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app with David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you. Now time for "Shatter No Shot" brought to you by... - That's ESPN, that now live in Illinois, download the ESPN app, get $100 in free bets, better you make your first sports book. That looks good morning to Charles Evans. - Good morning, boys. How are we doing? A day before 4th of July. Hope we all got the grill brushes ready and everything. - Pectacular, spectacular. - All right, boys, the disaster continued for the Cubs. - So you're not gonna ask me, Charlie, you're just gonna barrel through? - I threw it out there, it was an open-ended one. - Well, I didn't get a chance to get my thought out, but you know what, go ahead, Jack. Just go ahead, barrel through. Here's A.I. Jack. - It's smoky. Wait a minute, no, Jack, it's smoky or different. - I know that smoky is Justin Pottinger. - There was no room for me to get my thoughts out, Cap. So we're gonna let Charlie just go ahead. - Go ahead, Charlie. - How are you doing today, buddy? - You know what's great to jazz, man. I was still aggravated about the White Sox yesterday, but the point is, just like the manager for the Cubs would say, Craig Council, tomorrow's another day, another ball game. - Yeah, we'll get him tomorrow. - Get him tomorrow. - Offensive chance in first inning and didn't come up with a big hit and thought hating through a few nice strikes. Obviously left the ball up in the zone a little bit. Got hit hard. We'll just try and see what we can do tomorrow. - That's a tough stretch. - That's a tough stretch. That's exactly right. That's what he says. That's about it. I appreciate it. - Like I wanna know, does he ever show any emotion ever? - No. - Does he come home and go, "Pass the salt!" - Jeez. - I don't think so. - Craig settled down. - I think he stays calm because he's got, you know, that dark, suspiciously dark hair. So I would say that he's very calm. - Like if his pizza showed up in the sauce and the cheese had slid all the way to the side, does he go, "Well, I hope next pizza will be better." Or does he go, "Hey, this is Craig Council. I want another pizza delivered here." - I don't think he does. I don't think any of the bottles. - Maybe he's Craig. - No. Well, I appreciate you asking how I'm doing because Charlie is ready to go, barreling in. Go ahead, Charlie. - Mr. and the room. - Mr. and the room. - Oh, of course I care. - I'm there from seven to 10. I don't have to deal with those two jackasses. - Yeah, never. - It's fine, but go ahead. He misread the room, even though I'm in the room. Here's Charlie Bevins, Charlie. - It's a fair point. All right, gentlemen, the disaster continued for the Cubs last night with another loss as we've talked about. As has been discussed in the past, however, because of MLB draft lottery rules, teams like the White Sox and the A's can't pick as high as their record suggests they might. So shot or no shot, the Cubs should tank to guarantee a top pick in next year's draft. - Well, first of all, I believe I'm right that right now the Cubs would pick fifth. - You're locked in. Those are the odds right now, they haven't had fifth. And I believe I saw a 14% chance for one, 9% chance, something like that. - Can you imagine if they ended up with the number one pick in the draft? Cleveland's picking one this year, right? - Yes. - Yes. - Captain. - They're running away at hiding, they're 20 sum over. - Unless that pick is Paul's schemes, then what does it matter? I mean, ultimately you win with stars. I'm just saying, this has to be a phenom if you can slip slide your way to first. It has to be like a guy you could bring up in a couple of years. I'm watching Ed Howard film on marquee, still waiting for him to come up at some point. - How old is he? 40. - He's not 40 years old. - I was watching him. - He's drafted at a high school school. - So long ago, Theo was here. - Sweet swing at Howard, I like it. - Yeah. - But, Cap, it has to be someone special. I mean, we can't talk about the MLB draft, the way we talk about the NBA draft, even the NHL draft, NFL draft. I mean, it's a crapshoot, unless it's someone really special. So, I mean, you tank if you want. The reason why that you wanna do that, Charlie, is if you just feel like, okay, 230 million, and if Tom says, okay, how much money we're spending, and for my ROI, I'm getting last place, and a non playoff finish again, okay, that's enough of this. They'll come out to the ballpark. Now we go back to the old Tribune days. Don't worry, 40,000 people to ballpark, we'll be in last place, it's fine. You don't wanna go back to those days, Charlie. You weren't around for that. You don't wanna go to those places, where Cap's aggravated on a nightly basis, talking about, you know, 40,000 at the ballpark, and then no standards as a ball club. - Those old trib days, I mean, I feel like those old trib days, it's, they got the World Series, and now it's, well, now my legacy is defined, so I'm just gonna be focused only on the bottom line, and not the product on the field. That's what it feels like. - Ricketts doesn't feel that way. Last Cap, do you think that Ricketts is satisfied, saying that the coffers are open, and we got multiple revenue streams, so we're good, like the old Tribune days? I don't think so. - Absolutely not, absolutely not. First of all, I truly believe, and people are gonna be like, he doesn't wanna spend any money. That's not true. They are at 227 million. I read this to you guys yesterday, and I won't go through the whole deal, but I pulled this up the other day from my guy Joe at Obvious Shirts. He listed the standings, I'll just do our division, not all the baseball. Milwaukee's in first 108 million payroll. St. Louis in second, 175, Pittsburgh in third, 84 million, Cincinnati in fourth, 103 million, Chicago Cubs, dead last 227 million dollars. They are far and away the big spender, and they're the worst team. Vantam, stop telling, like Tom's too nice. He feels like he has to educate people. Well, the TV deal is in this, and we got this issue with revenue, and we're trying to do this. He needs to speak the truth. I gave them 227 million, and they've squandered it, and you're telling me I'm cheap? Stick it, 'cause it's not true. Could he spend more? Sure, but why should he? He haven't demonstrated. They're gonna do anything with it. - Here's Charlie Bevins. - All right, all right. - Jesus. - All signs pointed to Rosen on his way out the door for the Bulls. De Mar, I think you could say, was an instantly transformative player here in Chicago. Gave him a shot in the arm, hit some really big shots, but there was also no real playoff success, and you could argue that his contributions in that 22 run went a long way of the Bulls locking themselves into Zach Levine, who they now can't get off of. Shot or no shot? The DeRozan experience wasn't worth it. - Now, that's a no shot, because you had, to me, a solid veteran in the room, Charlie, that gave you his all. Look, you can go through the numbers and say, well, DeRozan, you can't use him because he's only a two-point shot guy. He doesn't shoot well from three, or doesn't even tempt threes enough in today's basketball, but it was still buckets. It was still him with his pension to get to the basket. I liked him being on this team, and I know he hasn't won a championship yet, but look at all the places that he's been. From Toronto, San Antonio, from that mistaken as well, he's always been a good glue guy. Good locker room guy, good glue guy. It wasn't like he was a gross underachiever. You want to say that about Vusovich? We can have that argument, but I always thought that DeRozan was just a solid player for this Bulls team. It's a guy you'd have to worry about. You worried about Levine and his shooting prowess at times, hot and cold, but for him. But with DeRozan, Cap, I always thought that he, for the most part, steadied the waters offensively for the Bulls. Look, he came in and played the game the right way. He embraced our city. He is active in community stuff here. He has talked openly about how much he loved being a bull, liked ownership, liked management, loved the coach. Like he said, all the right things. They let him down, man. They never made a move to try and improve this team. And they can tell me all they want. They did. What was that? Drafting, Dailin, Terry, Julian Phillips. Come on now, we got a better chance with Wilson Phillips. I mean, it's ridiculous that they do nothing to improve this freakin' roster. And you got a guy selling out, trying to help, playing every night, 38, 40 minutes, every night. And they did nothing to try and take that roster to the next level. And all Bulls fans are just trying to hold on for one more day. That's exactly right. I always thought with DeRozan, I very much appreciated the Bulls looking at the landscape of things and being like, you know what we're tired of being the 11 seat in the East every year? Like, let's go be good, let's go get better. I just, my whole thing comes back to like, we always kind of knew what the ceiling was and maybe it was a failure around DeRozan more so than it was a failure of DeRozan. I just always had a little bit of a tough time wondering what the eventual ceiling would have been for a team where your best player is DeRozan. Don't you know, these get changed. They could go your way. If you hold on, put one more day. Can you hold on, any other one more day? Things will go your way. Hold on for one more day. - Thank you, Jerry. - Tra? - All right, so tomorrow's the 4th of July and one of the newer, I think one of the newer developments we've seen a little bit more on social media. - I know there's pain, but you hold on for one more day. - Beautiful, Jerry. - Make free from the chains. Yeah, I know there's pain, but you hold on. Yeah, go one more day. Break free and break free from the chains. Yeah, hold on for one more day. Here's Charlie Bevan. - But concerns about fireworks, I think the last, you know, 10, 15 years on social media have been coming up a lot. A lot of people, you know, at a certain point, it's 10 o'clock, let's go home. People have dogs, people have issues with the fireworks. So, shot or no shot, there should be a cut off time for fireworks. - Ideally, in a little small town, but at Chicago-- - What do you mean by a cut off time? - Like 10 o'clock in your neighborhood, and you're like, no, no more fireworks. People got to work tomorrow, people got to go to bed. - You got dogs. - You sound 80 years old, and you're one of the youngest guys in the roster here. That's unbelievable. - Yeah, that's embarrassing, Charlie. You're better than that. - You're one of the young, up and coming stars of the station, Charlie. Charlie, you're gonna have your own show soon, okay? I've been hearing, I heard the air checks. You, so you're gonna have your own show. Are you gonna really get on the air, get behind one of these microphones and say, the fireworks, it should be cut off at 10. I think it's too late. - I don't know if it's too late, but sometimes, you know, I'm like, all right, like, I got stuff to do tomorrow. Let's wrap this up. So they have a little too curmudgeon-y. - So they need to adjust their fireworks schedule for you? - Yeah, I'm not alone, right? Like, there's other people got stuff going on, on the fifth. - How long you living Chicago? - I've been here five, six years. I mean, like, even when I was a kid growing up, I remember being like eight or nine years old and being like, hey, it's a little loud. Like, can we? (laughs) - What the hell are we doing here? - Charlie, you're embarrassing. - That's just unbelievable. - Yeah, turning your headphones now. - I thought you said fireworks are overrated, Cap. - That has nothing to do with it. I don't put a time limit on it. - I do think they're overrated. - Look, I've been hearing them since January and on the south side. Well, wait a minute, that's not fireworks. But the point is, though, is that I've been hearing sounds. I mean, you could just tell because I'm in South Shore. You're knowing they're going right over to the Indiana border. They're going over to Yorkos in that area. And they're bringing the fireworks over to Chicago. Cap, actually, I've been hearing fireworks since Memorial Day, 'cause those places are open or they can, you can get them on Amazon, whatever. And I've been hearing them in my alley for months now. So it's just, you know what? It's just part of the aesthetics of living in the city. I'm just used to sound. I just am. - I love seeing them. I don't love hearing them. - What are you gonna do about it? You're gonna go on the street and tell them to stop? - Yeah, I know. There's nothing. I'll just march down to Springfield, demand it. - Oh, yeah, 'cause that'll work. Yeah, do that, Cap. That's good. In the Land of Lincoln, here comes Charlie Bevins with his democracy. - Could you guys turn down the fireworks, please? - Yeah, so my dog's, well, Stanley doesn't care, but Sparky does not like fireworks. The late Yoshi, he did not like fireworks as well. But yeah, last two nights ago, it was like somebody had an AK-40. I mean, it was like, they had a whole thing. It's just, they lit it one time, and it went for like 30 seconds. I thought my poor dog was gonna drop. Oh man, like, there's gotta be some air. Like, the pro shows, I don't care what time they do it at, but the ones in someone's backyard, that's different. That's kind of what I mean though, Cap, is like, again, like if you're going down to the lake and you see the huge ones from, you know, across the other side of the lake, you wanna see those, that's completely different. I'm talking about like, again, what you're referring to the little package you get, and then you're just lighting them off in your backyard all night. - Well, I just like for you to go yard to yard and tell them, here's a Roman candle instead, or here's a sparkler. Here's a sparkler to see that. I wanna see how that works in the city. Go ahead. - Burn my hand really bad on a sparkler one year. And that's why he's anti-firework. That's what it, because he doesn't want it at a certain time. That's unbelievable. This guy. I didn't know that the sit-in for Shay is actually older than Shay, 'cause Shay's 70. - Yeah, Shay is 70. - He's 70, so we got an 80 year old now in Charlie Bevins. That's amazing. Young, spry, Charlie Bevins. Hey, it's 10 o'clock. Why don't you go home, get some oval teen, sit down, read a book. - Oval teen, well, he's an around teen. - Hey, do you know where your kids are? Hey, why are Roman candle? I'm Charlie Bevins. - Unbelievable. I mean, it's what it is, Cap. We always say on this show, you can't fight city hall, right? - Correct. - Well, you can't make people stop shooting fireworks, especially in the city. Why don't you come south? I know you haven't, have you been to a museum with scientists? Have you even been south? You haven't been south since you've been here. - No, I haven't. - Oh, have you? I don't mean like, I don't mean the socks part. - Yeah, he walked down to the end of state street at Grandma. (laughing) - Charlie, why don't you ride with me? Hi, don't you just ride with me? I liked it for you to see, let's go to Bronzeville. Let's go through and stop the tour. - I'm sure they're fireworks. - Drop 'em off, buddy. (laughing) - There you go. Hey, Charlie, here's 78th and green. - Get out. (laughing) - 'Cause you're a little loud. - Let's see how that works. Go where I go. Just hang out, jerk chicken places. Have fun. How 'bout go to go with Jaymore after the show? Go out west. - Well, trip. - Drop 'em off, drop 'em off someplace friendly. Jaymore, so he could tell him to cut the fireworks off at 10. - You know that ain't happening out west. (laughing) - No, Jay. (laughing) - Around the NFL, next on "Cap and Jayhood." (upbeat music) - Follow Chicago's home for sports on Twitch at ESPN 1000 Chicago. (upbeat music) - "Cap and Jayhood" are back on Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. - It both sucks, he sucks. - I'm just a fan, I'm not a football developer. - I love the Green Bay Packers. - The guys from, but there he goes. This is not Detroit, man. This is the Super Bowl. - I love winning. - He starts the comedy. - This is a really thickly built guy. - I mean, what's the answer you're looking for on these things here? (upbeat music) (crowd cheering) - It's time to go around to NFL on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. We'll have Waddle On for Waddle Wednesday at 8.35 around the NFL. - Hey guys, hang on. I got two pieces of news for you, Joe. - It better be good for you to interrupt that great toss to Charlie, but go ahead. And if it's bad, $10 fine, go ahead. - LeBron James has just agreed to a two year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, as I told you, but now Claus is coming. It's a player option in year two, and his son Bryce, who's supposedly the better of the kids, they said, "Is he waiting to play with you two?" He said, "The dude's gonna be 42 years old by that point." No, he won't still be around. So we'll see how much longer he's gonna play. That's one, and number two, everything I keep hearing out of 1060 West Addison is, nobody's making any trades yet, except Aaron Savali just got traded by the Rays to provide depth to the Brewers rotation. - That's pretty good, kid. - Prospect for Aaron Savali. He's not having the best year, but guess what? You take him out of a losing situation in Tampa, put him on a team running away and hiding in the division with good defense, good offense behind him, a great vibe, and guess what? I'll bet you pitch as well. - Damn. - With more around the NFL, here's Charlie Bevin. - All right, gentlemen, so pro football focus, release of its position group rankings, and that included its secondary rankings. Do you want to guess where PFF ranked the Bears? - It better be number one, 'cause I got the best flip and secondary in the league. Jayla Johnson, Tyreeks Stevenson, Terrell Smith, Kyler Gordon, Jaquan Brisker, and my Guy Kevin Byer. That's the best in the league. - Because you asked it that way, Charlie, it sounds like they're in the top five. - They're 19, they are very low. - Next, I'm not gonna listen to that. - Whoa, whoa, whoa. - That's not possible. You had to have read it wrong. There's no way they have the 19th ranked secondary. - It said they had their ups and downs in 23 as it saved Jaquan Brisker, but this unit could be extremely good in 2024 if it plays to its high end abilities. It had, like this is just a little insane to me. They're behind Houston, Las Vegas. - Oh, no, no. - I Tennessee, I mean, it's... - No, no. - That's where numbers lie, brother. That's not right. Are you saying that there was, it's gonna be this dramatic drop-off, 'cause Eddie Jackson's off the team? That, they did have their ups and downs, more ups than downs, I would say. That's a strength of the team along with the linebackers last year. - Yet 19th is, it's bottom half. Like, that's crazy to me. And that's where, you know, I mean, it reminds me of one council the other day was talking about the third base coach, and he said, well, our analytics say that he's actually making good decisions. - No, sure. - Well, I think your analytics might be a little bit wrong, then, if you're getting good decisions. If you're getting bears are the 19th best secondary, I'm not a big call out the analytics kind of person, but 19 is crazy to me. Crazy, 19. - Yeah, that's just stupid. I mean, that every time they do something like that, it just tells you PFF doesn't know what they're doing at times. - All right. Here's Charlie. - Charlie. - It's telling the truth. - Okay, so the hard knocks off season with the New York Giants began last night, and there was a few revelations on how their off season went last year, including how sort of the seeds of the Brian Burns trade came together. One of the, a senior ball practice, I believe it was, they were talking the Giants GM Joe Shane, and the Panthers GM, and he basically just asked, like, "Hey, what's it gonna cost for Brian Burns?" And the Panthers GM said, "Yeah, two firsts." And that's how it started. If we're getting stuff like that, like, this is just how trades come together. Sometimes it's just out of a casual conversation in an off season event. If that's what we're getting, I might actually watch this, 'cause I'm not a big hard knocks guy, but that stuff's interesting to me. - That's how Cap and I talk about trades. - Think so? - I mean, we casually have conversation. What do you think it would cost for this? And you say, "Well, you know, two firsts or a player in a first." We talk about the, if it's that casual, I'm sure it is between GMs. That seems like a casual conversation there, and it started the ball rolling, right? - Yeah, and then they call back, "Are you serious?" Come on, let's try and nail this down. And then they, okay, I'll move off the two first, but I need a first, a second, a future third. Yeah, they figure out a way to do it. - That's what's crazy about the NFL to me, and that's what I hope hard knocks, off-season shows, is that the biggest decisions happening are happening in like a bar, or just some guy, "Hey, what's going on? "Oh, I haven't seen you in a while. "Hey, what's going on here?" And then that's just how these league, these earth-shifting trades and contracts happen. All that stuff is just fascinating to me. - You write down on a napkin, the bar napkin. That's how you do it, and just like, what does that look like on paper? You don't have paper in front of you, but do you have a napkin? You write it down and say, "What if we did this?" And it happens. It was that story you just told us, Cap. I will, honestly, it was a couple of days ago about one person bringing two sides together for a three-way deal. Remember? - Oh, that was when the Cubs did the deal for Nomar Garcia-Para. And Theo confirmed it for me, 'cause I had heard it from Henry. And apparently, so there's a conference call, there's like two minutes left to the deadline. And MLB does not mess around on the deadline. Sorry, your facts came in too late, your email, or whatever it is. And Theo said, "Yeah," Henry said, "Everybody, quiet down." Here's what we're gonna do. All right, Theo, you're getting Orlando Cabrera. I'm getting Nomar, but we're not positive, he's healthy. And I think it was Montreal is getting whoever they got that Cubs gave up to prospects. So did that, Boston Red Sox, and Theo. And then he said, "But Theo, I don't know "if Nomar's hand is healthy, so I've gotta get something else." And they had like a minute left, and one of his scouts said, "As for Matt Merton." And he said, "Jim didn't know Matt Merton "from a hole in the ground." All right, give me Matt Merton. All right, you can have Matt Merton. And that's how the deal finally got done. Henry put all the pieces together for everybody, and they called it. - Sometimes that's how it works, yeah. - Yeah, Charlie, can you squeeze one more? 'Cause we got Tommy coming up next. - Absolutely, so a former Jets employee is suing the team over a throwback logo that he designed that the Jets are now using. He designed it in 1978, it was used by the Jets for 20 years. The team acknowledged that this guy designed the logo, but he's now suing them, and he's asking for unspecified damages. The use of his design was initially received in a positive light by him. He was mentioned on the team website. He said it was very nice to see. I don't, you know, based on what we know, I maybe have two words that come to mind. Rents do, because-- - Whoa! - I don't, Rents do. (laughing) - That dropped really copy. - He was saying. - Yeah, it just, this stuff is like so crazy to me. - Like he, the Jets for the first time basically ever are probably on the right side of a PR issue. Those are the first two words that came to mind. Rents do, like this guy is suing because they're using this design when he previously said, "Go ahead and use the design." I think it's really cool that you use the design. Again, this is what I read on the NFL's website, but I don't know, something's a little fishy about it. - Do they have it in writing? - That's the question. - That's the question. - Well, like all that stuff, thanking him was posted on the website and he's saying that he didn't get any credit for it. - Back in Cap's days, you just spit in your hand and then you shake the hand. That's just like a blood oath back then, right? - There you go. - That's it. - Where you just a little cut in your palm and you let the blood touch. - Oh my gosh, it's a great way to get really sick. Well, everyone had scurvy or rickets or some kind of disease back then, so they all carried it together back then, Charlie. That was a good old days. - If they were using it unless they have something that he signed that you can have it, they should compensate him. You remember the guy that sued Sears, could he? - Sears and what about-- - Guy made a wrench and he said this is gonna be amazing. It's called the bionic wrench and Sears called. Hey, that thing is awesome. We'd like to carry it. They gave him some small amount of money and it was, in his opinion, when the understanding thing ever takes up, they'll take care of him. They didn't. He sued. He ended up getting millions. Sears lost. - Yeah, remember that. - I do recall that. - Yes, I do recall that. - They thought, well, we got more money than anybody. You're not gonna be able to hang out with us legally. - Yeah. - He did. - Sears is like, it surely can't get any worse for us. We'll be around forever. - Yeah, exactly. - Oops. - Robuck dropped off there and then Sears dropped off and then there's no Sears or Robuck. Sad. - You gotta take care of your business. It's the same thing that happened with Sierra Mist. That's why it's no more because they didn't renew their trademark and a social media person took the name Sierra Mist and they tried to buy it from her and she didn't wanna sell it. So now they have a story. - Wow. - So wait, that's the same pop? - Yes. - Yeah. And I didn't know-- - I didn't know there was a story behind it. - I didn't know that Sierra had her own pop. And that is our look around the NFL right here. What, Captain Jaywood? - It's Sierra with an S. - Ooh. 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