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We go every game from beginning to end, and also we do off-day film breakdowns, not just on the heat, but we're starting to do them on the other sports as well. So check that out. Again, playback app is free. Look for the 5 Reasons Room. Sign up, and you'll join Eternal Myself. Ray, Matt, Ben, Gad, and of course Brady, Alex, and Gregor on there quite a bit as well. And Sean, Brian, our whole crew from 5 Reasons Sports pops into playback. Today we're going to talk about Eternal's favorite subject, Nico Yovitch. We're going to have one of those hashtag, "Eternal is Right" episodes, although I'm not going to allow him to say it more than once, otherwise I just buzz him. But I think we're at the point now where this has to be seriously discussed because Brady Hawks has been pushing forward too. I mean Brady has been saying for the past few weeks, look, Yovitch needs to start. And it seems like that's where this is gone. Now there have been pieces out during this stretch when Yovitch has been starting. But I just want to give you some of the historical significance from Miami Heat perspective, because I looked up some of this stuff. I actually did some research when I got back from my trips, or I was away for the past couple days. All right, Yovitch is not 21, okay? He was born June 9, 2003, about two and a half weeks before Dwayne Wade was drafted. Okay, that's how young he is. Now just for some context, Dwayne didn't start his first game for the Heat until he was 21 years and a little over seven months old. Michael Beasley did start as a 19-year-old for the Heat. He was born June 9, 1989, and he started his first game October 29, 2008. He actually started the first 15 games of that season as like a 19-and-a-half-year-old. And then he got replaced with a starting lineup. By former starter, Yovitch has him, and then he started a little bit at the end of that season. Mario Chalmers, when he started for the Heat, was already almost 23 years old. So the hero started some games as a 19-year-old into 20, but wasn't starting consistently. And then you have to go back to sort of the pre-Riley era to find younger starters. And most of them were not, actually, because most of the players at the Heat drafted during the pre-Riley era were Steve Smith, Glenn Rice, et cetera. They played pretty lengthy college careers, so more like Jaime Hawkins. So I want to begin their eternal because for those who have been saying, "Well, the Heat needs to get them on the floor. They need to see what they have. They don't necessarily need to do that in the context of their history because they haven't typically done that, and they haven't had a player worthy of that. But now they are doing it. And now when Yovitch starts his next game, he will have started more games than he started as many games as Calamort as the season. And he's already started more games than Hawkins by one. So for all to talk about Hawkins, and we know obviously Jimmy is sort of a blocker to Hawkins in the starting lineup, Yovitch has started more. Did you expect him to get more time to this point than he has? No, I'm just curious. Before we get into what he's done, I mean, because to me this is exceeding my expectations. If you're asking me honestly, yes. And I think anybody that has watched us on playback last year in the off season, I said if Yovitch was still on his team, I'd expect him to start at some point. And he has. It hasn't been exactly what I expected. I did think, I said if Yovitch thinks it, if he started 50 games, he could average 15 points. Obviously, it hasn't reached anywhere near that, and it probably absolutely won't because it's just not enough games. But I did think that Yovitch and Hot Cass would contribute this season, and Hot Cass came out to gait like that immediately from pre-season. Nico not so much. He chose some flashes early in the season, Ethan. If you remember against like Minnesota and Boston, just for those very, very short stints. And then during the season, before getting like a permanent start, I'm not going to say permanent start, but kind of semi-firmative start, as you said. You've seen more of the flashes. I mean, he popped against the Lakers in LA. He looked pretty good against Utah, a little bit against some other teams as well. So we have seen some things from him, and you know, recently from this stretch, I think about like eight, nine games, his defense has been solid. You know, one-on-one, and also team defense as well. So some of that I did expect, you know, me and Matt stayed up watching those fever games. You can kind of see what was there with Yovitch, and one of the things I did think that they would happen this season is they would trust him more on ball, a little bit more on ball, and we have seen it. We've seen him initiate some plays. We've seen him be a connector, and in some ways kind of set guys up. He's doing the pointing thing that Kalari did, he who shall not be named. That's Kyle's legacy, I guess. But we have seen some growth over the season, and honestly, that's inspiring considering we've heard or you've heard rather that this was a rare season for Yovitch. Yeah. What I heard was that they came into this season thinking that their future was Bam, Tyler, and Jaime, and maybe Nico, and that there were going to be opportunities for him to show it, but that they weren't necessarily going to rush it. And that's why I characterize this as a red shirt season, in part, because they have so many other guys who seem like they're in the way of what Yovitch does best. And this gets back to the conversations that we had, and that I had with him in Brooklyn, mine was not the one that got him into trouble. It was his interview of that same night after the game with a reporter where it got translated in a weird way, where it seemed like he was really angry, he wasn't. He was frustrated. He expressed that frustration to me, and it was mostly about playing the five, and that whenever he went to Sioux Falls, he played the five. And it seemed like at the time that Spaux was trying to put him in the spot, he thought there may be minutes, that that's essentially you get him in the five spot, but it's just not a comfortable spot for him. And I know our Sean Rochester and others argue against positions and all the rest of that stuff. And it's basically who you guard more so than what position you play on offense and all of that. But there was a frustration level for sure. And I think where it gets complicated is, on paper, he is exactly what they need next to be about about it. Like they've been searching for something, and they found kind of a prototype, which is the undersized power forward who can switch, right? And do the dirty work stuff so that Bamb can grab the rebounds. And they obviously start, it was Jay, it was unsuccessfully, Mo Harkless, it was somewhat unsuccessfully the corpse of Trevor Arisa, and now it's been Martin, it's been Heismith, it was Tucker, right? So it was been that part of it. But ideally, ideally, you would have someone more like Yo-Vig, someone more like, say Kelly O'Linnick, who, if you looked at the two man combinations of Bamb and Kelly, the numbers were always excellent, even though Kelly is not a good rebounder. Like it just, Kelly's ability to stretch the floor and do those kind of things, great space for Bamb was instrumental in a lot of their lineups. And it's one of the reasons Kelly was a valuable piece for them. And then there's Kevin Love, who, if you had the Kevin Love from five, six, seven years ago. Perfect. He's the perfect player next to Bamb, right? As it is, you're getting more out of Kevin than I think any of us anticipated. But so that's the thing, in general, is that Yo-Vig on paper is the perfect forward next to Bamb, but it's the rest of the lineup that makes it tricky, I think, because he is at his best. He's at the point on ball. He's at his best creating. He's at his best pushing and transition. He has his head up on the break, which first thing, not a lot of heat players do, and certainly not a lot of bigs around the league do, okay? We've talked about the heat struggles and transition. Yo-Vig makes their transition game better. He just does. But also, he is a guy who can make plays for you in the half court. And when you have Jimmy, and you have Tyler, and you run stuff through a band, and even though Duncan is an off-the-ball player, you're running actions for Duncan, and now you have Rosier, right? It's complicated, I think, to find the right lineup that he can sit in permanently, offensively. We'll get into the defense part in a second, because that's really the key, okay? But offensively, I'll ask you this. When a hero comes back, whenever that is, okay, and we don't know at this point, he's going to be inserting the starting lineup. We believe. We believe. If it's going to be Rosier, and Hero, and BAM, and Jimmy, is there a role for Yo-Vig offensively other than spot-up corner threes? Which by the way, his numbers are good there, but it doesn't maximize his skillset. I think so. And I think if you commit to having Tyler be more off-ball, I mean, we've been talking about it all season, just have Tyler be more off-ball. And I'm not saying, like, play more like Duncan. I think you can use him in some cuts. I think you can use him as a way of a decoy and have some other action, excuse me, on the other side of the floor, they kind of get Tyler going, get some movement and things of that nature. Or maybe you don't just get him some long range shots, maybe you've got to get him in the floater. As much as we hate the floater, it works the Tyler. And sometimes you've got to go with what works. And so maybe you can get some inverted pick and rolls between Yo-Vig and Tyler. Maybe you can get some things that it starts with Yo-Vig and BAM, right, and you kind of create some mis-message, or you get some things going with Yo-Vig and Jimmy, there's just so many options, Ethan, where you can run pick and roll options with Nico, Jimmy, Terry, his own ball pick and roll options. And maybe you can kind of get some going for Tyler and use him in that kind of way. I think it is something that you can use, where you can maybe use, in some cases, against different matchups you could probably use, Jimmy and Nico as more on ball and Terry and Tyler as more off ball. If you can get a quicker offense going, causing the defense to have to shift and react instead of playing, sit, then maybe it can look a lot more fluid than, you know, and maybe it's something that gives you a different option. Obviously, we'll get to the defense later, but yes. I do think there are avenues for it to work. It's just all about how you get guys to buy into that, but also making use of guys for the basketball IQ. Here's the point that I want to make as an overriding point, before we get back into the defense, is that whenever you have a young player like this on a contending team is different. If you're on a bad team, you throw him out there, he probably develops some bad habits that may take him years to clean up. I mean, you look at what's happened in places like Detroit and other places that have been bad for a long time. I don't know if some of those picks would have panned out if they'd had a better support system in terms of veterans, in terms of coaching, in terms of playing meaningful games. Miami's not in that situation. We talked about this a lot with Hakkez and the fact that he fit right in, now he's having to make some adjustments to the adjustments that have been made to him, but I think everybody thinks that he's going to come through it. You have to balance these things, and the things that you've got to balance are, you've got the development of the player, him being able to play through mistakes without losing confidence at the same time as not hurting the team. It took me about 60 games to come to this, but I tweeted this the other day. It's time to live with the mistakes. I'm at the point, and I know that, again, those of you who were pushing for this earlier among you being among them, will make the point, "Well, you should have done this earlier." I always come back to this when it comes back to the Heat's development. There are things that I don't necessarily agree with what they do organizationally or players they go for, don't go for whatever. I don't challenge them at all in the developmental stuff, because my view of it is that whenever he fans have been pushing for a guy to play sooner, and they wait to play the guy or put the guy in a certain position, and he performs well when they put him in. The conclusion that fans jump to is, "Well, see, look. I was right. He should have been playing earlier." The conclusion I jump to is, "Well, see, look. They waited until he was ready, and they made sure that he could handle the situation before they put him in." I know sometimes, look, every situation is a little different, and so maybe I'm casting too broad a brush on all of that. Maybe it's not the case with every single guy, but I've been through this a million times with Heat fans. They always want the young guy to play. When the Heat wait, there's usually a reason, and I'm going to go back to the Beasley example. This goes back a long way, but this is before they became really a developmental organization. 2008, they have a horrible season in '07, '08. They weren't planning on tanking, but everybody got hurt. Even you D, okay? Cry at Uncle, right? They sat in the rest of the year. They don't get the number one pick, so that's Rose. Platt really doesn't want Beasley. They tried to trade down. Others in the organization did want Beasley, okay? They haven't really heard from those folks in a long time. They wanted Beasley. It was hard to argue with the pick of Beasley because he was the consensus number one college basketball player that year, and he had a skill set. There's no question. He's a defense, I'm excuse me, offensively elite, okay? I mean, the kind of guy could be in anybody in one-on-one, get his shot off from anywhere. Had Carmelo Anthony like offensive talent, okay? They threw him in there right away. It was obvious. They weren't comfortable with it. They didn't know where the hell to go, okay? I was at his first summer league. I was in Orlando before they used to do it in Orlando before they went out to Vegas. I watched him against a guy named Sean Williams. Not the Sean Williams ended up playing for the Heat, but the Sean SCAN was playing for the Nets at the time. Bees had 13 fouls. They wouldn't let you foul out. He had 13 fouls and probably that many turnovers, by the way, Mario Chalmers played really well in that game. That might be their starting point card. He ended up starting 82 games. Beesley was not ready to be a starter on a team with any kind of aspirations. Again, they were coming off of 15 when season. Dwayne was a rookie, so they didn't have huge aspirations at the time. They sat him down after 15 games. They went back to UD and then finally, Beesley started the last five games of the season. Again, my point on that is all I heard was during that period of time. Why isn't Beesley starting? Why isn't Beesley starting? Why aren't they going to Beesley? Why aren't they featuring Beesley? Well, there was a reason, because if by playing him or starting him, they were rewarding him for bad habits that he never got out of. They tried two more times with him. They brought him back two more times and almost a third. I guess, where do you come down on this? Because he fans are like, "Well, Sposhu to realize Yovitch could have done this stuff earlier," and I'm like, "You think Sposhu doesn't realize what Yovitch can and can't do?" I just think he was waiting for the right opportunity where he thought the kid could actually handle it and had developed enough defensively where he wouldn't droop his own shoulders and cause the team to get frustrated because he wasn't in the right place. I think the thing with Nico is just like how you ended it. He is a really big, confident person. If you remember, when you guys went to training camp, one of the things Jimmy talked about was like you could see Nico walking around, which is chest puffed up, coming off of the feeble play and him kind of really playing a well and feeble and playing a big part of his home country, making it to the finals, which they ended up losing into Germany, who is like in the NBA comparison, which was a cross-room, was Franz Wagner. I think the thing with Nico is I can talk about with opportunities. When they drafted him, and I remember him talking about him coming from overseas and playing more in the guard position, so you get thrown in as a four, you throw in as a five, it's totally different from that. There was a learning curve, and there was just a learning curve all last season, even with him having the backspads and him growing, and so that being thrown off, and so coming into this season, still having that learning curve, how to play in the power rotation as well, I guess there was really no opportunity for him to be on ball to begin with. You know, you had Kallar, who said I'd expect to be the starter, so you had Kallia, Drew Smith, your head, John Richardson, unless Nico showed something very, very spectacular in training camp, if he even got the opportunity to be on ball in training camp, that just wasn't going to happen. Regardless of what I felt, Shavon, shout out to Miami Heatbeat, or anybody else, unless Nico had the opportunity to show what he could do on ball, he just weren't going to see it. But I think what changed, Ethan, which I think played a really, really big role besides your opportunity, I think Jimmy taking Nico on his arm and really pouring into him kind of mentally, emotionally from a big brother standpoint, kind of brought out that fire that you saw from Fiba, you know, and I think they played a big role in kind of tightening some things up. I mean, Jimmy Butler is one of the best players in the league, and we all admit that just for how his high IQ and the way he goes about the game, and so having somebody that, you know, earn, sharpen, earn against, I think they played a big role and then, you know, obviously being able to utilize those things in practice and having more of those live game experiences, and I remember you saying in one of the pockets, some guys learn better in live games than they do in G-League games, or they do in practice, and so I think Nico is probably one of those players, and I think we have seen that, you know, here and there and kind of more consistently, especially with his defense. I want to ask, when I come back from break, I want to ask a more philosophical question here, because I think this does play into it with, you mentioned Jimmy, and obviously they're in the Jimmy window right now, they're also in the Jimmy season timeline, which means with 22 games left, you know, Mr. 22 is expected to keep hiking his play, and he's playing at a higher level now that he has throughout the entire season, but it does lead to an important question when we're talking about playing these young players in games that matter. Before we do, I want to mention a great sponsor of the Five Reasons Sports Network. They're also big fans of this podcast, and they're big Miami Heat fans, and you can find them at shoptubculture.com, shoptubculture.com. These are Beth and beauty products, and these are naturally made, and it's just great stuff. I ordered some, they're great for a significant other. If you have one of those, I'm sure I'll tell you this stuff will go over very well. 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I said at the time of the Drew trade that I thought that Drew would be more impactful for Boston than Dame would be for Milwaukee. The Heat believed that as well, and I think that that's played out so far this season, and certainly the Porzinga's trade has worked out better than I anticipated, and that is a real problem for Miami. We've seen that in the match up so far. But I don't think there are no, I don't. I think, if you tell me that you're giving Jimmy and Yokich a crack at them this year, I think that they crack against one of those two teams. I've seen it happen on their home floor. I've seen the way jail ground performed when it mattered. And I don't trust Tatum as a 1A in those situations. But with that said, they're not going to be easy to beat. And it's one thing to say, okay, we're going to go with guys that we've seen do it. Caleb Martin, others like that, playing heavier minutes, or we're going to play the guys like Yokich and Hakkez, who were they've not seen in those situations, but also the Heat have not seen in those situations because I, this is Pat Riley's phrase, this is mine. Play offs tell. You don't know until the guys get under those lights, particularly on the road, how they're going to perform. Are you comfortable with the idea? And we'll throw Jaime into this one as well. Are you comfortable with the idea of those guys playing heavy minutes? One of them, now it looks more like Yokich than Hakkez. We thought it might be Hakkez. One of them even starting, maybe one of them even closing. That would be more likely, I think, to be Hakkez than Yokich, based on supposed tendencies this season. Are you willing to let them grow and throw the curveball at a team like Boston in the playoffs? Even though, again, they may not have the experience and you may be more likely to lose. I'm not scared, to be honest with you. And one of the things I was thinking about, as you was talking about Boston being this, this team of destiny or whatever, do people remember the early 2010 Bulls or the Indiana Pacers? If you go back-- Both were seated higher than the three. Right. And they were talked about like, oh, they're going to be the one to unseat Miami. They're going to be the one to make it to the finals. You remember those morning shows of them being picked before the season or through the season and things of their nature and they never made it. They never got it done. And I think on no hating kind of agenda towards Boston, always respect because anybody has a punch or chance, I think Boston is more in line with those patient scenes, with those bull teams because I don't think they have enough. And I don't say it talent-wise, I don't think they have enough mentally of an edge in the game of basketball between those lines to make it good enough. I don't think that the way Jalen Brown plays basketball or the way Jalen Tatum plays basketball is enough to get the job done. On that note, as far as Nico Yowich having kind of the mental fortitude to perform in the playoffs, I think he already shown it. I think it is much more pressure for those players born to play for their home country in those FIFA games in those Olympic games where it means a lot more for them. That's where they grew up. That's where everything is built up. And that means a lot more to them than I think coming over here and playing America. I mean, we just had a pod or a playback talking about Yowich and Luca in the All-Star game, you know? And like what that meant, even Yowich, when he won the championship, like he just wanted to get back home. But I think playing for that country on the front of your team means a lot more. And I think Nico showed some very strong mental fortitude in those FIFA games that I don't expect any less for anybody out there doubting whether or not Nico would show up or be sharp enough to show up. What did he do against the Hornets when Thomas Bryant was on the sideline? Oh, no, that's the thing. There have been a lot of, I think, reassuring moments, really. And so, and some of it is offensively, some of it's defensively, some of it's just interaction with teammates. Some of it is, you know, even guys like Tyler saying that, you know, they're starting the Nico Yowich fan club or Jimmy, obviously being the big one. And it does seem like there's a comfort level playing with Bam. So I mean, there's been nothing so far that's like, okay, you can't play him. And again, I come back to the beginning of the podcast here, but it is a process, right? And it's, and there are these steps that I think they wanted to see him take. And I think part of the process was frustrating him, not intentionally, but frustrating him by playing him out of position, sending him back to Sioux Falls. And yes, he complained a little bit. I mean, even, like I said, even to me, which I hopefully I translated correctly because it was in English, but he was frustrated. But it didn't seem to affect his work, and that's ultimately what they care about. They don't care. They don't have an issue with the frustration, they have an issue with the frustration bleeding into the attitude, bleeding into the work. And I don't think they've seen that. And I think with others, they did see that, with Hassan is sort of the prime example of the one that they saw that with Dion towards the end, others. I don't think that they've seen it with him. So I think that that toughness, I think, will lend itself well. And he is, in a lot of ways, an X factor in a series against Boston, because he allows them to play differently against Porzingis and Horford if they're going to go with the two bigs. So I just think, and I'll let you close here, but I think there's been enough, and it's taken me a while to get here. But I think there's been enough to say, you leave him at the fore. If it's going to be Rosie or an hero in the back court, you know, you're going to live with some things defensively. But if you're bringing off on the bench, and we're going to do a separate episode on this this week, but if you're going to have a bench core, that includes Kevin Love, Duncan Robinson, Kayla Morton, and Jaime Hawkes, primarily featured, I'll take that foreman bench against any bench in the league. And that does not include what you may get in specialist situations from Delaun Wright, from Heywood Highsmith, and potentially from others. But I think that they've set this thing up now where Caleb can come off the bench and play the way he played against what we just saw in this last game against Utah, and give you 24 to 26 minutes like that, he'll still have a role. It doesn't mean he necessarily needs to start. So it's again, taking me a while to come around to it, but I've come around to it also. I think another thing, Ethan, as you talked about, like them trying to see, will he break or does he show he culture what they really give a damn about? He scored 25 points, and you know what's both said in the press, like post game press it, Nico is back on the court, like working with the staff, that's some mumble mentality. And so I just think there's more of him as we talked about on playback, like Jaime Hawkes replicates Jimmy on the court with his play style. But you can kind of tell that Nico is like really eating up what Jimmy is feeding him from a mental standpoint. And I think that's really going to pay dividends for them, not only on court, but all of court as well because he, like you said, guys really like Nico, his joyful personality and things of that nature, but he is also a high IQ player, and you can never have too much of that. And even them trusting him with the ball in his hands and kind of orchestrating things or connecting things. And I think the defense that he did show against Brooke Lopez, you know, and other guys, that's some battle wounds that you need for him to get, because that's going to pay dividends later on in the playoffs. I also think having Kevin love around is not a bad thing because Kevin has had a lot of the skills that that Yovitch is trying to develop. Right. Thanks to eternal. You can follow him at eternal best. Check out the rest of our podcast this week. 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