The Cārvāka Podcast

Anti Hindu Rahul Gandhi?

In this podcast, Kushal chats with Tushar Gupta about the current debate in the parliament between the ruling NDA and the opposition I.N.D.I alliance. Mr Rahul Gandhi said on the floor of the house, "Those who call themselves Hindu keep talking about violence, hate, and falsehood 24 hours a day."

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Duration:: 1h 22m
Broadcast on:: 05 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Now say everyone welcome to the Charvuk Podcast. This is the most crucial era. So today's podcast is thanks to Rahul Gandhi. So a few days ago before I lay down anything else I'll just play this clip. So this is this 11 second clip where I was in Canada on my way to India and Raoul Gandhi said something. I mean Raoul Gandhi doesn't let me live in peace is the reality of my life. So this is what Raoul Gandhi said. I'm going to play this 11 second clip because it was all over the internet. So we're going to play that first. I want to repeat this again so that nobody accuses me of miscoting Raoul Gandhi. So Raoul Gandhi says those people who call themselves Hindu I think this was a sly on people who support the BJP or the RSS are all are violent are liars. That's what this is right and they hate and spread hatred. Is that correct? And this is the most charitable version that I'm giving because the BJP has been accusing him of saying all Hindus I'm being charitable to Raoul Gandhi. I'm saying he means people who vote for the BJP support the BJP support the RSS support Hindutva. Well he is in fact attacking the entire supporter base of the BJP and perhaps entire Hindu population at large but you know one thing that was good that day in the parliament two things rather one he was countered there and then by leading ministers of the BJP they did not wait to come out of the parliament and the most amazing thing was done by the prime minister he stood up and this was life. So it was time with what on it. What was Raoul Gandhi trying to say even let's give him the benefit of (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) You are the ideal Hindu, other Hindu. As this is the definition of Congress for a non-Hencec Hindu. (speaking in foreign language) - You know, as the leader of opposition needs to start behaving a little more responsibly. (speaking in foreign language) You know, it's one question we need to discuss is certificates (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) which he defines as inauguration in the political event (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) How is it acceptable to anyone? Even amongst his voter base. And it's equally offensive for both of us since we come from Punjabi leafs in Guru Nanak Dev Ji. We've studied about him, we've learned about him, we've heard about him, his stories, his legacy, his history. (speaking in foreign language) - Two, three stats that I think will give a better perspective. In 2019, 22.9 crore people voted for the BJP. In 2024, 23.59 crore people voted for the BJP. If I go by their statement, which was the spin given by them in defense of what Rahul Gandhi said. And I take it at face value that he's insinuating X number of people who belong to that ideology. Mr. Gandhi needs to answer that almost 24 crore people who voted for the BJP, right? There might be a few crore who support the BJP but did not vote for the BJP. They might have gone out for multiple reasons, right? They could not, like in my case, I had a family emergency, I could not vote for the first time in my life, I could not vote, I had a family emergency, I had to go out of India. Is he saying that almost 30 crore people and then I'm considering RSS supporters and many other people, right? Almost 30 crore people that live in India. I'm being so conservative when I say 30 crore, it could run up to 50, 60 crore if you ask me. I'm being as conservative as possible, right? These people are full of Hinsa, Hinsa, Hinsa. These people are full of Nafrath, Nafrath, Nafrath. These people are full of Jhut, Jhut. - Asattel, asattel. Asattel. Is this the rationale that Mr. Gandhi wants to give for crores of Indians? Is this what Ralgandhi wants to state? Crores of Indians are liars, haters and bigots. - You know, the Prime Minister in his address the next day, he bought a Qilinti and I'll just read that out. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) The Prime Minister said that the Hindu population needs to think and I'll say the population from two states needs to start thinking. Telangana gave a thumping majority to Ralgandhi's Congress six months ago, Karnataka gave a thumping majority to Ralgandhi's Congress a year ago. Both these states put together gave 28 seats or 27 seats to the beach. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) More than two-thirds of the seats have gone to the beach if you're the Indian. Are those people violent? Are you calling your own voters violent? Are you calling the constituency people who gave you a thumping majority violent just because they are exercising the fundamental right? And you know, the Prime Minister was very, very clear. I don't think he can be more clear than this. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) This is the hypocrisy people are unable to see through which personally makes me very, very sad. Poor leaders are comfortable vote for whoever you want. That's irrelevant to this discussion. You know, it's not about voting or not voting for XYZ. But look at how you're being played by one party for decades. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) They have, you know, made enable them through good education through, you know, affording hefty college fee that they are able to participate in, you know, building India. They are taxpayers today. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) And it was written by then a journalist who is now a TMC Rajasaba MP. Does anyone remember that article? (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) That how the right wing Hindu is inclined towards science and so he has this violent streak to them. Or on the other hand, the left leaning supporter is more inclined towards the arts and they have a soft word and what ridiculous stuff was written. But all this is a continuation of that. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) That is what I have a problem with. You don't like the BJP, I understand. You don't like the Prime Minister, I understand. But there is no right, even for the sake of theatrics, there is no way you can label everyone as violent. And why? Just to score some brownie points behind your 98 other MPs or 97 that cheer on (speaking in foreign language) Actually, I think this graceful (speaking in foreign language) The BJP might not serving your agenda, but at least it's not calling you violent for equaling your views, even if they are against the BJP. (speaking in foreign language) But at least it's not calling you violent for equaling your views, even if they are against the BJP. (speaking in foreign language) This is not some election rally, or this is not some press conference, which you can shake it off. This is the Lok Sabha, the lower house of the Indian Parliament. (speaking in foreign language) This is not some election rally, or this is not some press conference, which you can shake it off. This is the Lok Sabha, the lower house of the Indian Parliament. - I want to take an analogy. Do you think this is Raul Gandhi's deplorables? You remember the famous Hillary Clinton gaff against Donald Trump? You remember the famous Hillary Clinton gaff against Donald Trump? Diplomarables movement, or recently I follow Canadian politics with equal rigor, and I love Canadian politics because the systems are similar to ours, right? Parliamentary democracy, very similar to India, loves curtailing free speech just like India. It's very familiar to, you know, Sastar authoritarians that I find in both countries. And no, I don't mean it as Sastar, I literally mean it. So before somebody gets offended, I mean to offend you, before you get offended. So if you're not offended, I understand. So I want to play this clip of Christian Freeland. Listen to her, it's a two minute clip. - This is an important by-election because it is about a choice between two visions of Canada, two sets of values. And we really want to encourage people to vote for our outstanding hardworking candidate, Lesley Church, our hardworking liberal candidate, Lesley Church. What she stands for is the values we are talking about here today. She stands for a vision of Canada, which is about investing in Canada, investing in essential industries like our car sector, being sure that Canada can own the podium, investing in Canadian workers, like the amazing workers who are here, investing in Canadian families with things like our national system of early learning and childcare, which is helping so many Toronto families with affordability, saving more than 8,000 per year per child already, and we're not yet at $10 a day, we're going to get there. And at the end of the day, a vision which believes in a Canada that plays as Team Canada, where we all work together to support and defend the national interests of what we're seeing here today, with unions, with industry, with government. That is Lesley's vision, that's the liberal vision, that's why I'm really calling on the people of St. Paul's to go out there and vote for her, because the alternative is really cold and cruel and small. The alternative is cuts and austerity, not believing in ourselves as a country, not believing in our communities and in our neighbours. - I love this woman, her expressions are so urban. (speaks in foreign language) This woman reminds me of Gabrielle every single time. She has to be after Justin Trudeau right now, if you were to poll Canadians, right? I think she must be the most hated Canadian, by the way, for people who don't know, right? So, this is downtown Toronto, come back. This is St. Paul's. It's a liberal bastion. St. Paul's Hargayelow. Liberals had not lost this for 30 plus years. This is like BJP losing Gandhinagar, basically. It's like that, and they lost it, right? And this woman's clip did all the rounds. Did all the rounds. This clip did grounds after rounds in the entire riding, but she called people who vote conservative, right? Who vote conservative? This. And then this is the, I have to show you another clip. This is the funniest part. Like, this is, this is another clip after that. This is so funny. Look at it, look at it. Look at it. - Deputy Prime Minister, can the Prime Minister still stay on to lead the Liberal Party into the next election, given that you just lost one of the safest in the country last night? - Yes, he certainly can. - Can you explain why? Because everybody we're hearing from behind the scenes believes that the result last night means- - Look at our expressions. - Yeah. - I cannot win in Toronto. - But I think I'm under- - Listen, Argo, why should anybody believe you can win anywhere else under him? - Our government is focused on working hard for Canada and Canadians and on delivering results for Canada and Canadians. That is what the Prime Minister is focused on. That is what we are all focused on. The Prime Minister is committed to lead the next election. Why I shared this for context is people should understand context that this happens in every single left-wing mindset across the world. This is how the left behaves. So people who are like, (speaking in foreign language) Ladies and gentlemen, this is how the left is everywhere, is what I'm trying to tell you. - But what I couldn't understand what was with this, what was with that head shake? - She's okay, do you know Alice, man? Don't you think she's like- - No more. - Like Arteshi Marlin in a press conference, where she'll be like, you know- - Back on! - Yeah, I was just wondering, and she was shaking her lips very violently, like you. Like, why are you trying so hard? (speaking in foreign language) You try too hard to hit the ball. Like you're hitting it more harder than it actually requires your politicians be saying it. And of course, the ability to bullshit the special skill of the Canadian politicians or the left politicians across the world. So I think that- - It's a left-wing thing, exactly what I'm trying to say. - So you know the- - No, the sugar codes start now. - They're left. - Yeah. - They sugar code stuff. They'll make up these huge word castles. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) - We look at the TMCMTs. We'll fight you in the gutters. We'll fight you in the scars. We'll fight you there. Are you fighting about what are you fighting for? Are you a rebel without a cause? You've made it to the Lok Sabha still. You don't have a cause you're fighting for. This is a left-wing trait. And it's not just restricted to politicians. - Right, right. - It's restricted. - And Bluster is a left-wing art form. And it's a pandemic that you witness in TV studios also with their anchors. Okay, those are the anchors, which we'll say. Yes, but Modi has got 34% vote. But there are two-thirds of this population that have not voted for him. Aj Vaiheelow, Twitter, pay their rejoicing on the victory of the Labour Party, which has similar vote share. There's rejoicing on Char so far. Ajini Pauling, a level playing field. Ajini Pauling is strong opposition. Rhetoric, sugar coating, theatrics. And that is what Rahul Gandhi is doing. That day he thought that as an LOP, he's delivering some great sermon, which will shake the political foundations of India. People will get on the roads holding Rahul Gandhi, play Khazare. We want Rahul Gandhi right away, Snaphol Karado. It turned out to be a major embarrassment. You know, what I was looking at all that while since I was watching it live, I was looking at Dipinder Buddha's face, who is now a close confidant of Rahul Gandhi, of course. And he was all this time sitting like this. And I am unable to figure out, was he worried? Was he shocked? Was he apprehensive? Was he thinking, what have I signed up for for the next five years? And even Akhilesh Yadav, when he spoke, he was far more dignified. He had his spot shots. He had to take his digs at the BJP, which of course he will, that's no surprise. But I don't know what Rahul Gandhi was doing that day. And when he was being counted, and it was important for him to be countered on several topics. Clueless, absolutely clueless, weird stuff. - So here's my poll, right? I'm going to do this live poll as we do this stream. It's a genuine question, which I asked out of no malice is looking down on voters, a universal left-wing phenomena, because we have many examples of the Donald Trump and his basket of deplorables. - That sank, by the way. That sank Hilary Trudeau, during that Hilary Trudeau while they have an Hilary Clinton. I hate both of them, so I just merged them together. But Hilary Clinton, her vote just sank after that till the extent she had to give a clarification. This lady, she was questioned, in fact, till the extent that the media, I wonder if it's very interesting, the Canadian media really questioned the shit out of them after this comment. The Canadian media went after the Liberal Party like anything after this, even the Canadian Liberal media. I mean, even though they were trying to save their ass, they just couldn't save their ass. That's how bad it was. And now you have Raoul Gandhi. And now I want to get into some history, right? So as always, Sadhan and Dume tried to, oh, I didn't feel it was in those. I want to talk about this strawman argument, which is why I started the podcast thing. He did not say all in those. He said people who belong to the ideology of BJP, RSS, and all of that. Oh, Baba, is it okay to call all BJP voters at? My question is that I take offense to that. - Hey, Hamneka, Hinsak Curvia. We are unapologetic voters of the BJP. Yeah, Hinsak Curvia. That we are discussing their manifesto or the ideas or the opinions. Maybe that's violent for them. You never know. What is, how do you define violence from the perspective of a BJP supporter? What is, let's ask this difficult question. - Yeah, let's break the shit down. - How is a BJP voter violent? I give you four options because he votes for Narendra Modi because he's unapologetic about voting for Narendra Modi. See, because he'll again vote for Narendra Modi if the opposition doesn't really change or do all of the above. My answer is all of the above. (speaking in foreign language) I mean, what I'm saying will hurt the trade. They'll come up with their own theories that are in any moody to eat Marxists. They'll have love, love, love, and care. But what is the problem of the Congress with people who vote for the BJP? I understand your problems with the BJP. What is the problem with the people? (speaking in foreign language) I mean, what I'm saying will hurt the trade. They'll come up with their own theories that are in any moody to eat Marxists. They'll have love, love, love, and care. But what is the problem of the Congress with the BJP? (speaking in foreign language) And no one's correcting him. And the Congress, the surprising part is no one even is trying to post-correct him, especially Buddha, who knows these things won't sail in Haryana. If I knew how to intake them and see, you might benefit from it. But long run with these things won't cut it. You're losing in Uttarakhand. You're losing in Himachal. These things won't fly right. (speaking in foreign language) Imagine how it will be perceived in those states. Actually, you know, you asked a very important question. Is looking down upon voters a left-leaning trade? Is pick or other if you can run this poll also? Is looking down upon Hindus? And Hindus not being bothered about it is also a trade of Indian politics. Because that is what it's starting to fix. - Exactly what I was going to get at. This was going to be my follow-up question that why do Hindus even care about these seniors? And let us look at the context, right? Because Raul Gandhi's statement is not a one-off thing. When was the communal violence bill proposed in the parliament? - In the UPA tomorrow? - UPA tuna, I don't remember the exact date of the bill. Let me pull up the year communal violence bill car. It was, I think, 2005 UPA one-month hurry. - Not sure. - UPA one-month, 2005, six-month-hour communal violence bill. Yes, UPA one-month-hour. So, Mayor Prashini Ayaki, that was a bill that literally by default as you is a majority of India, a majority community of India, come what may, will be at fault in every situation. You know how dangerous that thought is? And then you have Mr. Gandhi saying all these things. Why can't I put two and two together if I'm a political animal? - You know, there was a book which is about Nehru's letters to his chief ministers. Usmehi makes a similar argument. I'm just trying to find that quote. I had tweeted it long ago. And I'm just going to read that out once I'm able to locate it. But it's a very Congress thinking. Yeah, Raul Gandhi and Keiligi saw a snake. - Uh-huh. - Okay, he had Congress, Kei mentality. I'm just trying to find out. - Congress passed a very good point raised by a live viewer. Congress passes the Work Board Act. Congress passes the Places of Worship Act. Why is the Congress not anti-Hindu by ya? - So I just got this quote and I read it out very, very slowly. It's from Nehru letters for a nation, from Nehru to his chief ministers, 1947 to 1963. And I'm reading out the quote and I'll tweet it again also. It must be recognized that Muslims in India cannot, in the nature of things, adopt aggressive attitudes. Individuals may do so or occasionally small groups, but conditions in India are such and their numbers are relatively so small that any attempt at aggressive action would recoil on them. This is what he says in reference to the minorities, going forward. It is only when they become afraid that desperation seizes them and then they may act wrongly and aggressively. This fact has to be kept in mind because without realizing this we shall fail to act correctly or take proper measures. Basically the responsibility for communal peace rests on the majority community, that is the Hindus. If there is a breach of this peace, I would start with the presumption that it has been caused by the Hindu communal elements who have created a situation leading to fear and conflict. Indeed, this is not a question of Hindu or Muslim, but of the majority always being responsible for this kind of thing. This is a letter India's first prime minister wrote to his chief ministers less than a decade after India was partitioned on the religious lines, less than a decade after Hindus in Sikhs was slaughtered in Punjab, Hindus were slaughtered in Bengal. This is what India's first prime minister wrote. And I'm tweeting this quote on, "Because it's too long to repeat it." You know what the fascinating bit is? Now I want to take this good. I'm glad our live viewers say things like this. I actually appreciate this viewer. Soussankesh Shaitanabur says, "Looking down on voters of opposition parties, "not an exclusive left-wing ideology, "even the right looks down upon them." Is a difference, I'll explain how. And I'll give you all the three examples. The Canadian, the American and the Indian example. In the American example, the most classic case was Donald Trump. He looks down upon his opponent. Notice the worst, amazing example of that was, there was a CNN interviewer or some interviewer, I don't remember who it was on Brit channel. They were quoting him calling a particular woman, some fat pig or something. The Donald Trump, even a crazy man like Donald Trump. You know what he says? "No, don't women, only Rosie or Donald." - I've seen that, I've seen that, yeah. - Because they're right. And please try to understand this. There is a fundamental ideological different sunken between the right and the left. Why is there no global right-wing Uma is? Because they're right by nature everywhere in the world. Individualist, fiercely individualistic. So they can't think and group think. They're very individualistic. They want small government. They want the government out of their life. The left on the other hand, I actually did a monologue a while ago and I called it the global left-wing Uma. They behave exactly like Uma, which is why all these patterns that you see sunken. Please try to understand. These are very group-thinky ideology way. Right-wing doesn't do the same thing in Canada. You see Pierre Polyam. You know what he'll do? The famous Pierre Polyam interview of him biting pieces of her apple, dealing with a journalist. And the journalist keeps on trying to poke him. He's like, "Heh, he never calls all this, all that. It's not a right-wing trade, sir. Look at RSS. RSS never says all Congresses. Never. It's a fundamental difference between the left and the right. The right might be bigoted at times in different ways. I will give you that, sir. But not on this. The right does not look upon the waters of the left, the way the left does to the right. - You know, there's another example I'd like to give to this question. Two months ago, both of us on this very podcast, on this very channel, decoded the Congress manifesto. Even if we looked down upon the Congress or Amadmi Party, or the Samajwadi Party, it's only for their policies, not for them as individuals. "Never will you meet a BJP voter or a supporter?" We'll say, "I don't like Kajirival because how he goes about his religion." They'll point out his hypocrisy on certain things that's fine. They won't question his voters for their religion. They won't question their voters for their choice. They'll probably bang their heads against the world that way, but they won't question it. Hamneh Congress come manifest to decode Kiyarhajab. We said, "Why is it economically so flawed? Why is it politically so flawed?" It's not looking down, it's scrutinizing them. The BJP would welcome that sign of scrutinizing us well in the floor of the parliament. But tell me, when has the Congress, in the last 10 years, scrutinized BJP on any policy? I'll give you one more example. Today, Khushal, we are closing in on a very, very momentous benchmark of achieving 500 million UPI payments every day. 500 bloody million, okay, every day. So that's going to touch 15 billion a month, very, very soon. We're already touched 14, of course. When this was starting, in 2016, 17th, Congress could look both of them. India make a hard digital payment. (speaking in foreign language) That's looking down upon the water. And not just BJP voter. Digital payments is for everyone. That is what we're looking down upon people is. When Modi was going out to build toilets, he said, "What is he doing?" Is the prime minister going to build toilets? That's looking down upon everyone. When Modi was making a dash for Delhi before 2014, Manishankarayya said, (speaking in foreign language) You know, (speaking in foreign language) That's looking down upon an individual. When he was going around opening bank accounts, the Congress only said (speaking in foreign language) That's looking down upon the potential of people. So when you say look down upon, I understand why Congress looks down upon people, not just from a political perspective, but also from a policy perspective. BJP on the other hand will look down upon anyone as a supporter. I'm saying this about myself. Forget anyone else. I'm saying I look down upon Congress's policies. I question their decision to go for a caste census, especially when India is at this economic trajectory. I question their decision to go for a freebie. I'll give another example. Since this is a very, very important question, it must be addressed. January 30th, 2014. This is three months before the national elections. Modi still not the prime minister. The Congress was doing a DBT program for LPG subsidy. They discontinued it. Puring an electoral backlash. The Congress did not trust the people that Agarham Black miscellaneous (speaking in foreign language) that is looking down upon the wisdom of the people. You can go. You can search Jan 30, 2014 LPG DBT subsidy. Congress will get an economic times article. So understand what looking down upon really means. Am I against Congress policies? Yes, but am I against a person? Say you, if you work for the Congress, as an individual, will I start labeling you as a luni left or a communist or a violent street person? Absolutely not. There's a world of difference between the two. Now I want to spend the next half on the response by the BJP. Now the prime minister made a very interesting statement before people say, oh, you showed a clip of 11 seconds. Well, I'll show you a 20 second clip of the prime minister ladies and gentlemen. I've rarely seen the Pradhan Manhri being this combative. I mean, rarely to be very honest, but very unlike Modi, G to be like this, but Mr. Modi said this. (crowd chanting) (crowd chanting) (crowd chanting) (crowd chanting) (crowd chanting) So the prime minister says, "I want to remind the people of the ecosystem, the ecosystem being the left, that now we will give it back to you, the way you treat us." Now that honestly makes me sad, because then that means we're going to become like them, which is what Raul Gandhi is. Now that makes me sad. So now we take to the discussion, what do you make of the prime minister's speech? A lot of people have said the prime minister has lost his zing, he looks jaded, he looks repetitive. I'm going to put it all across. And this is not just criticism by the left, within a circle of the right wing also, that is calling the prime minister all sorts of things. Now let's talk about the response of the BJP. So what do you make of the response till now? - I mean, see, one thing is, this country hasn't seen a prime minister who's worked in the third term, for 60 years. So majority of the population alive today has not seen a prime minister who's entered the third term. The last time we had a prime minister who was actually there for 10 years, was probably I think in Raul Gandhi, a real prime minister, so I should speak, right? - Yeah, uh-huh. - Even Modi, and we discussed this in the last podcast, Modi will have to make his own, where there is no convention here, no tradition he can use. There will be people who will be bored of him also. (speaking in foreign language) - He's been serving the country for 15 years as a chief minister and then 10 years as a prime minister. Things are going to get repetitive. - The man has no life, whatsoever, by the way, no life. And before that, he was a Pracharak, which is the hardest job on planet Earth. They don't know how hard RSS Pracharak is going to be. He's been serving the country for 15 years as a chief minister, and then 10 years as a prime minister, things are going to get repetitive. - The man has no life, whatsoever, by the way, no life. RSS Pracharak's job is, they've never met one. - The man is 73, and we can safely assume it. (speaking in foreign language) He's been in political life for 50 years. So I'm sorry if he doesn't live up to your standards of newness or freshness. But he's not an OTT season. His job is to run the country, and the country is also, you know, not an easy one. But for the people who say probably he was lacking, (speaking in foreign language) so Modi was sitting there absorbing everything, and people took out screenshots, and Hamari said, (speaking in foreign language) BJP voters and supporters who probably will interact with us because the Congress ones won't, and they have taken out Arigim Modi, (speaking in foreign language) - Yeah, get it to the left. Many lefties listen to this podcast. I will share credit where it's due. - I do have like a good 7 to 10% lefty listener base. - Yeah, actually I'm not making it up. - That's a lot, that's a lot, yeah. So, you know, people immediately make their own conclusions, and that's wrong. You know, he's sitting there absorbing you, and I don't know, it's rather remarkable that even after 10 years of following Prime Minister, because not all of them must have followed his CM journey. They don't understand he doesn't respond immediately. The last thing Modi will ever do is have a knee-jerk reaction to anything. - Absolutely. - He never plays up their terms. The only place of his terms. - A whole done, he can abuse him also hypothetically saying he won't respond. He'll stand there like a monk absorbing it all. Like that way, he's like pretty much like a dravid bear. You can bowl him all the short balls, and he'll just tuck, tuck, tuck. And then when he has to hit, he'll hit, right? But that's all bad below guess, I'll push. And I'll tell you what happened on the second day when he came back to speak. First time, he was literally repeating himself. I have no qualms in saying the other tweet to be clear. He was beating around the bush. Things you already know. Things which entire India has now rectified. - Really the manifesto, pretty much. - Basically. Because he knew he'd be like, "I don't know if I was going to have a position." And they tired themselves out. You know, if someone was actually watching the proceedings, first 15 minutes proper polygonism. Next 15, even more. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) which was nice gesture, of course. But people in that first are also (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) He'll speak for two hours, which he did. He spoke for two and a half. The first time was just nothing but him. Just speaking, telling the opposition (speaking in foreign language) And then from the second, now the fire would start. And the same people who immediately said, "He the speech has no newness in it." They were tweeting (speaking in foreign language) So up near side, we now look conclusions for (speaking in foreign language) Compare this with how Ravel Gandhi was absorbing PM's lecture. He was sitting like this essay (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) And then people, you know, I did that (speaking in foreign language) was theme music to it. So everyone likes to sprout nice primness because he's been there for 10 years. But no one likes to, you know, talk about what he's, what the response has been, the dive deeper into it. (speaking in foreign language) I don't know why. I mean, probably something they do out of habit, then they also correct themselves and eat less exercise, frankly. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) Which reminds me as a (speaking in foreign language) In 1990 to 543 (speaking in foreign language) 110 out of 600 (speaking in foreign language) I'm sorry. So that was also one. That tells you about the Congress, frankly. And that tells you also about the BJP, perpetual pessimists on our side, perpetual optimists on their side, on a lighter note. I mean, not calling anyone pessimist. But you tell me, I mean, this is a question. - It's a very important point. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) The moment the primness, I think he said earlier also in some media briefing or somewhere he had said, he said (speaking in foreign language) And that narrative died. It just died an instant death. That there, Ravel Gandhi says, the arrest of Kijirival haunts me. The next day he tells him, (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) You know, these little compacts, these little responses, they are boring. People like fireworks. But these responses are also important. You need to see how narratives are being defeated. You tell me one anchor on the Congress' side that has incited or mocked or ridiculed the BJP for 240. (speaking in foreign language) So who's the jaded one actually? - I don't know. See, eventually it will start sinking in that this government is not going anywhere. And then they'll be like, hi. And do people realize this was literally their best shot? This was the third term. - This? - Third term of Modi. - This was like, - And you know what? Because Yupi got messed up. They did not get 272. If Yupi would have been sorted, these guys still wouldn't have gotten 272. You should be scared, Congress. - And Yupi will not see that social engineering again. It won't be that smooth ever again for Akhilesh. But think about this, Gujarat 2017. - Have you noticed how silent Akhilesh is? (laughing) - Yes, yes, yes. And I'll tell you, I was speaking. (speaking in foreign language) - Nini, I was talking to one mainstream anchor and she was touring around the country covering elections and she told me one interesting thing. She said there is a realization amongst the Samajwadi party also. That probably this time the social engineering worked for them, it won't work in 2027. So they are also not in any sort of imagination, Karihamtob, Swipika, Renga state. And also remember Gujarat 2017. Third time or fourth time the BJP was fighting. Third time, I think. Yes, third time. If you look at the-- - Barely scarce, you know, scraped through. - They, they barely scraped. So they did not even make 100 seats. So that way, you know, you need to see how they came back in 2022. I'll give you another example. And since I saw this on social media, FDR had a dip in his third term, a very bad dip. Then he comes back in the fourth. I mean, these things happen. What I'm trying to tell you is these things happen. And states also happens. And center also happens. Yechis in normal head. Just that hamneh nedek here. (speaking in foreign language) Singapore people have seen it but it's too small a country. European seat, but it's too small a country, right? So we haven't seen that. (speaking in foreign language) That is what is happening with the beach, you know? That people are sort of coming to terms with the fact that this is a prime minister, actual prime minister who was running three terms. And he will print a test of fourth one that he said in his first day India parliamentary need, (speaking in foreign language) He re-emphasized it. So I think Khushal, a lot of it, we have to understand (speaking in foreign language) He will touch the youth and it will happen. Not that there are problems for BJP to solve. Again, this is not about being in denial. (speaking in foreign language) No, but you will get some unwarranted criticism which we spoke about the last time also. (speaking in foreign language) A license will get. So basically what happens with this kinds of analyses, right, is that it is not based on any heart. See, I don't know why people behave the way people behave beyond a point nobody should know. And it's just that that level of epistemic humility is not there. And that's a genuine problem across the world. Now I want to take another jibe by Sadhanan. Okay, Sadhanan Dumid says this. Modi's BJP has a diversity problem. I'm sharing this title while I also have access to live mint. So before people think, listen people, I pay for live mint and Wall Street Journal so I can pull the dime article up too. So I just- - Don't think I have a combination subscription. They used to have one. - Yeah, combination subscription (speaking in foreign language) - Yeah. - Wait a minute. - Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. (speaking in foreign language) - They use a fun fact. WSJ three four years back before COVID was trying very hard to make in the roads in India. And I think that's how they landed up for deal with live mint. But if they want to conquer the India market (speaking in foreign language) - It is not that in for India, Nair. Who told you it was written for it? See, Sadhanan is not writing for India. He's writing for them. This is, see, this is the Gura way of saying (speaking in foreign language) And then, you know, when, see, this is the white man's way of negotiating with you. This is the white people negotiate. That's all it is. (speaking in foreign language) - My question to Sadhanan and, and this entire ilk is (speaking in foreign language) First, I want you to speak about it. Because (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) He says that the elected MPs do not represent diversity post. The BJP can't control who people choose. The BJP can control only who they give tickets to, and they gave to Sikhs also. They gave to. (speaking in foreign language) - (speaking in foreign language) I grew up in a Jain family, no one else. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) - You write an irresponsible commentary in Wall Street Journal, and even Wall Street Journalists, perhaps foolish or a Jain that driven to ghost it. - Can Alice say, what is diversity? Will you ask the same question of the Congress? How many Muslim MPs do you have? - With the Wall Street Journal, say the Republican party has a diversity problem. - No, the problem is there. Now that the BJP has come back for the third term, they'll find excuses. Have economists be big by US elections in the Jain party, there will be some cover, you know? Yeah, this is the normal how this cabal works. I'll be there to be focused on US, but here is the problem. These analysis beat foreign affairs, financial terms, economists, Washington Post. Any foreign newspaper, this is my humble, humble Mahaj Jodhke request for all. Stop taking foreign newspapers and magazines as some sort of gospel truth. They don't know jack shut about India. It's sad, but it's the truth. - Baba Sadhanan, do you made the quintessential brown, they see guy, doesn't know anything about India, so what do you know about India? - I don't know if Dumeil is trying to appease his foreign bosses or trying to analyze India, because he's failing his roots. - That's exactly, he's writing for them. Let's get this right. And I would say this, Sadhanan, by the way, if I meet you, I'll say this straight to your face. - So, this is a very dishonest analysis. Again, last time also we spoke about dishonest analysis, this is like that. What a diversity, we need to talk about the kind of people the policy has touched, I remember I was at this debate on CGTN and they said that this verdict, you know, sort of means that (speaking in foreign language) I do, I think you know about him, right? And he said that this, what means that BJP has to give up its anti-minority stance, but where is the anti-minority stance? Can you quote me one policy that is anti-minority, or can you quote me one policy that has not reached the minorities? No answer. - So this is the next question. - When you pedal, and this is exactly what a sexual of the non-left does when they bash the BJP, right? Creating negativity is very easy. Giving lines like marks in the soul, sourker on the lips and stuff like that. This is all rhetoric. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) This is a disease of group thinkers. All people who think trans are group thinkers, leftists are group thinkers. Group thinkers love rhetoric. They just sell rhetoric. What do you do? - Our rhetoric keeps them together now. I think this one movie with Sonam Kapoor and Dhanush and Dhanush lands up in that movie's version of JNU, which is called JNU. And people there, they spot him, (speaking in foreign language) and they sit down around him, (speaking in foreign language) and they indulge in rhetoric for the next three years and then they say, (speaking in foreign language) So here rhetoric, he problem, (speaking in foreign language) he said that the Indian government is probably playing Taliban to kill terrorists in Pakistan. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) This honest analysis, this is what Dhammed does. This is what Arana Yuk does. This is what most of the people writing for foreign publications do and I do not understand the compulsion. I don't know, probably you live there, you can tell- - It's a job requirement. I'm literally telling you, it's a job requirement. They are hired to bash India. - That's all they're writing. But some of them are writing from Delhi. It's not like the (speaking in foreign language) - That's a job requirement. They are strategic placements. I say this now, as I keep on repeating this, because I am, it's so lucky. Trust me, I'm a lucky man. Because I live half and half, right? I'm half there, half here. I get to meet up a vast plethora of people because of the nature of my work. Because I, you know, the smartest decision I made in my life was not make a podcast studio. I did not make a in-home studio. And I refuse to do in-person chats. Because I don't do in-person chats, the world is my oyster. I can go anywhere, set up shop, carry, like, you know what I do? When I have equipment in India, I have equipment in North America, right? So wherever I go, I just use that equipment and I travel with that equipment. And now I meet so many people, I realize, I would think they hate India, no, no, no, no, no. They're just weird. The American things, this is my strategic investment when I negotiate with India. The American mind things, these are cards on the table to negotiate with India. So I shared a study done on the BBC, Al Jazeera and one more. I'm sure BBC was definitely there on news coverage of India. And they came to a conclusion that it was overwhelmingly negative. So somebody asked them to answer why? Does the state tell you in the case of the BBC? They're like, no, the state doesn't say it. Then why do you guys do it? In that case, the BBC said, we only get clicks through that. So we just keep pedaling negative stuff about them because that makes us generate revenue. So now he has got on to this phenomenon. So Hindu dating, not India dating, I'm being as straight as possible. Hindu dating, Hinduism dating is like a thing now in certain far-right circles of America. Like it's a proper thing now. Or like Muslim circles of United States. So I always ignore him for Daniel, Akhika, Jukur, (speaking in foreign language) He justifies Peter Filia. He has videos justifying Peter Filia, okay? So that guy is crazy. - How is it even legal to do that? - No, no, no, sir, under religious discussion, garb, everything is allowed. - Okay. - Well, freedom of religion matter. So, (speaking in foreign language) I was told to discuss with Daniel Akhika Joo. Merai Akhika replied, "I don't, I have better things to do, man. "But this is a Western way of dealing with India. "This is how they negotiate with you. "Indian should realize that. "I also, sitting here three years ago, "would not understand this. "Until I started living there again, three years ago. "And then I was like, "Oh, you have to go to Assalaam Arasin, "Mando Lee Kerme Gilevat Karaa. "Youska Stylaj, a Merko Uskar culture. "So much for that. "To Menuskumala, Metagotere culture, "Kesata Jaskaroo. "To Merigal Jarsir. "I take offense to you. "To Mera, the simple Abibirko Koi bekou, "Goltena. "If anybody calls me a fascist or a bigot, "I call them a chai ballester. "If you don't need any evidence to call me a fascist "and a bigot, why do I need evidence to call you "or not call you a chai ballester? "I just mover the jugular now. "The moment you hit them with the hammer, right?" They're like, "Oh, oh. "It's not the seriously early American negotiation go. "Man Ola, huh? "If you call me that, I call you this. "Now let's have a negotiation." So India, unfortunately, does not know even now. And I say this with full responsibility, whether it's our foreign office, whether it's our external affairs ministry, our communication is very old school proper. Look at Blinken, whoa, Blinken? They're not just never lost. We're very concerned about hate speech in India. Hate speech is legal in America. Why do you care, man? Yeah, the Republicans keep on saying some weird shit all the time. No one arrests them. They just quote the amendment. But, you know, that's the thing. If you come to the left with the rhetoric, they get very agitated. They'll come back with those three magical words for you. Bigger, fascist, dictatorial, that's all there is. Yeah. Oh, but the fourth one. Take it. (speaking foreign language) Oh, no. (speaking foreign language) See, even I write for Kool-Aid. All those tweets are deleted by now, by that person who is now associated with Kool-Aid. That person associated with Kool-Aid, somebody that I have written for and I have a respect for. I work with Jonathan Kay, I have nothing but respect for Claire Lehman, so it is not them. Before I say this, this is someone else. That person who works for Kool-Aid online digital magazine that I have prevent his respect for, has also used Gao Mutra slurs against us. (speaking foreign language) (speaking foreign language) Urban Indians, well educated Indians, who can perceive stuff, understand stuff. Eight magazine (speaking foreign language) This is how the conventional urban mind on portal things in Indian mind. (speaking foreign language) (speaking foreign language) They are trying to give you a bit. (speaking foreign language) Come online gullible here. (speaking foreign language) They'll see a guarantee card. (speaking foreign language) They'll see rhetorics, they'll see deep fix, they'll say me, BJP against what (speaking foreign language) So, again, when Prime Minister said, (speaking foreign language) It do not take it as a passing line. You know, that's what I'm trying to tell here. I'm going back to that same thing, the gullibility amongst Hindus. It's something that must be introspective. Against this is, I'm not asking you to introspect because you voted for a certain party. No, again, understanding the difference. Before elections, you are said, (speaking foreign language) Labeling (speaking foreign language) Vote (speaking foreign language) (speaking foreign language) Any conversation on caste is always going to be, against long-term Hindu interests. That's my very simple deduction. I don't like to get into those lofty intellectual conversations which last for eight hours and get nowhere. I'm a very simple straight forward there. Any conversation that is focused on caste, the merits of it, or the, you know, justification for it, it is anti-Hindu in the long-term, it's that simple. I agree, Hindus today should only be focused on economy, strengthening themselves as a political force, entity, whatever you want to call it, because that is what every community does, be it a tribal community, be it a religious community, or a country. (speaking foreign language) So why are Hindus not thinking on those lines? You go, you vote on caste. That's your right, of course, again. But also see, you are being made a gullible person, you are being offered a bait. And this holds true for the urban Indian also. Don't be swayed by just some gora speaking for you. You don't need a gora to speak for you. You need to speak well. You need to speak well. Now we'll take all questions before we wrap it up. Yes. If the Natan survived by the time we find a solution to the Jhati Varnasplit, or will Abrahamic conversion be taken up by people and organizations as the solution to this? Oh, well. It's the oldest living faith. I have some faith in your own people, man. Is there conversion? Yes. But I mean, conversions only happen for one reason. Jhati Varnasplit, that's the reason for conversions. Listen, people, you know, recently we, again, we heard some really shoddy analysis of our Punjab. Like do people realize 33% of Punjab is Dalit? Do actually people realize that? Why, you know, kudos to the Punjabi's that they resisted conversions all these years. But Punjab has a brutal history of discrimination. There is a reason why Punjab now has become a very rampant and very attractive ground for conversion activities. Yeah. Maybe. How many of them are denied entry to religious places also? I mean, how many people and be honest, how many of you actually knew there's something called Dalit Sikhs? Yeah. Yeah, they don't know that. They are separate Godwara's in Punjab. There's a detailed report by a Hindi journalist. And I think people should go and check that about separate Godwara's in Punjab. You'll be surprised. Yeah. How come within three, four months of Hindu to a civilizational triumph as big as Ram Mandir inauguration, Hindus fell for caste and caste narratives in UP and Maharashtra during looks of elections. That's a tough question to answer. Maharashtra is not just caste. I think Maharashtra is the biggest of many things. And UP also, I think it's not just caste, it's a better candidate selection. I think BJP is so horrifyingly messed up in Maharashtra and UP both, that they should be ashamed of themselves there. But hey, who am I, man? I'm not the BJP. But this has happened, but now again, this has happened. This is the reality. So clearly there is some introspection on the BJP as well. That's a given, okay, to begin with. But they are introspecting. I can tell you that, I can't tell you how I know that, but both of us know they are introspecting. Yeah, they are. Some things are not to be told beyond the point. (speaking in foreign language) But people who think BJP won't make a comeback to unfurf each other, (speaking in foreign language) Look, this has happened. This is the hard reality, when Samaj Vadhi is of Desh Prasad, sits there with Rahul Gandhi and Akhilesh Adal. He's not sitting there because he's a senior politician. Trust me, had he won from some other constituency, no one would even have cared. He's won from Ayodhya. They won two rabbit in the faces of the BJP. That's why he's made to sit there. And this has happened. And the people need to ask themselves that question. (speaking in foreign language) Our spokespersons were mocked because we were chasing what many called a pipe dream. But then the population has not rewarded them. You can call it economic reasoning. You can call it they are more inclined towards the caste. You can say it as it is, but I would still say the BJP did it's part. Maybe they chose four candidates. Okay, maybe they did not work as hard on the ground. Okay, I take all of it. But am I only going to sit here and put it in case of BJP (speaking in foreign language) People also need to start introspecting on the evidences why we are doing this podcast. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) So this has happened. The party has a lot to think easy to say, but the people do must think. If this is what they want, then that's the answer to the first question that came in that what's the future. So that's how these things are like. - The future is people will dump this system. Not just looking down, they consider them enemies. This is about the left. The left considered. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) I have been rescued once out of a very tight spot which the opposition was trying to get me by a very senior member in the BJP who is not a political personality. And I'm forever grateful. I'll tell you who later on. But will he go on Twitter and tweet about it or will I go on Twitter and tweet where I would? No, that's not how it works. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) spoke to you right about this. They do it. He spoke (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) Beyond the point, and I still believe I believe in that so-called political chat-em-house rule that the BJP has and the RSS has. They work in a very weird way. They work with the chat-em-house way. They like it that way. - And sometimes-- - They believe it gives them long-term results. - You know, sometimes even if the party is not there, not that they reject, but they're not there, the supporters will come forward. (speaking in foreign language) People closer to the government will come forward to help you with whatever you need. But they won't go around beating the town about it. (speaking in foreign language) But people will understand it hopefully, won't they? - Yeah, hopefully, hope, hope, hope. I fear the day BJP turns desperate. - I didn't see, we know. (laughs) I don't know what this means, but it's funny. Okay, I understand the good question. I appreciate this. But this narrative can be driven for generations without a natural phenomenon backing it up. This type of biparticians existed even in communism and monarchy. I understand that, but the point is, in the case of modern politics, right, individualism is very much now a conservative trade. It is no longer a left-wing trade. I'm sorry, you may not like it, but individualism is no longer left-wing. - Yeah. - Gushal, thanks for a great topic. I remember one more topic, (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) Google, (speaking in foreign language) Okay, I've not studied it. I'll try to study it. I don't know about this. Okay, somebody wants to attend my book launch in Chennai. By the way, people of Chennai, tomorrow, evening, there is my book launch. If you are there, you guys can come. - No, but (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) I think probably because no one gets confused. I have no clue, man. All I know is I'll share the image for everyone. People of Chennai, I will change. - Anyone going to Chennai, I'll say go ahead in advance, (speaking in foreign language) (laughing) (speaking in foreign language) - So this is the image. This is Welcome Hotel, old Chola Cathedral Road. Old Chola, whatever that means if you're in Chennai, Abhijit will be there, Harsh will be there and I will be there. And I look forward to seeing you all. So this is the thing. I don't know why, (speaking in foreign language) Okay, this is a good question. Is Raoul Gandhi actively trying to incite violent protests by lying about Agni Vir and other things? Will PM speech remain a rhetoric or government do something? Okay, explain what Raoul Gandhi said, what is the reality and then reply to this? - So first things first, he said that the compensation has not gone into the family of the market. (speaking in foreign language) Ministry of Defense (speaking in foreign language) This is side of (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) They actually had to show the transaction. This is absurd. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) Nevertheless, let's understand one thing very, very clearly and I'm going to write a thread about this very soon. Agni Pat is a legacy problem that we are trying to solve. Our combat forces in the ratio to the support forces, the teeth to tail ratio just come get there, that has been something that we've been wanting to fix for a while, which means we want more youth in the army. This is what the Prime Minister also said in the look. So I did not get into the economic argument. I didn't even think that's the argument. The argument he said is we want a youthful sona, young blood, combative blood. And for reference, Captain Vikram Batrasha, he'd Captain Vikram Batrasha was 24. So (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) I've heard absurd things. All of it is bull crap. Just read about so many cargo stories or stories from 71, nevertheless. If you pick up articles from the 80s and the 90s, it's been written since then that army needs to sort of mean, you know, streamline how it's hiring because chunk is going over in pensions. Right. Agni Patras is not about leaving the soldier high and dry. Do people know that there are reservations for ex-service men and several jobs or (speaking in foreign language) Do people know that the government has already promised certain preference areas for people who are not taken into the army finally who are retired? That means you do not make it to the final cut. So (speaking in foreign language) So there is something that you need to understand. First of all, read about Carter review in 1980 and 1984. Carter review in the military and what it led to. How there was this worry in the 80s and 90s. I'm not even talking about 2020. This is talking four decades ago. How there was a worry that our army wasn't combat enough. He gets in growth letters to the prime minister which got leaked in 2012 and he talked about the combat is preparedness. So this is a very, you know, of course to answer your question. Yes, he's trying to incite a protest. Yes, absolutely yes. That is why it's important. (speaking in foreign language) But I have one phone for sure. (speaking in foreign language) Probably whoever is handling the public communication part for the ADGBF. They should have sat there, school (speaking in foreign language) It should have been an image at press briefing which would have been covered in printing by everyone. That is how these things must be responded to. That's my only, you know, complaint from that. Will PM speech remain a rhetoric? The government is trying to create more awareness but I think they need to do that. It's that simple. No one even knows that (speaking in foreign language) But he's not trying to create a problem. He is identified. It's a problem that's been there for 40, 50 years. Now he's trying to fix more. It's very easy for the Prime Minister to let things be. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) Border words (speaking in foreign language) So I know people really need to think more hard about this. And you know, question, one final point. There are some things, some aspects on which I don't like the Congress speak. (speaking in foreign language) I won't take any provision on them on army modernization. I'm gonna let you know. - After what they did in Punjab? After what they did in Punjab, they ruled our state? - Yes. You know, I will never take lectures from Congress on fiscal management of macro indicators. Some things Congress has no license to speak about. (speaking in foreign language) But how many people know that in '62 things were so bad? Nehru was asking people to sell their gold to raise funds for the army. How many people know that Nehru when speaking to some universities and so also spoke about all able-bodied men being prepared? (speaking in foreign language) But again, for the ones who really want to start and understand this, Carter reviewed 1980, 1984 and the consequences it had on the entire combat of preparedness of them. That's all. - All right, just again, wanna clarify, this is the address of the hotel. The hotel is welcome hotel by ITC hotels, Cathedral Road, Partha, Sarathi Puram, Teinampay, Chennai, okay? I have done my bit. Now just go joke on that, correct? Do all BJP voters realize RSS subtly proposes obliteration of caste or group identity and Raoul Gandhi proposes the opposite. I don't think he won BJP voters realize that. - I'm sure that-- - I'm sure that-- - They're not, they're not-- - They're also RSS leaders. - They don't. (speaking in foreign language) - Okay, exact, Carter. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) - Let's take a fast question. Modi said the same, something, but Shivji with the profit, okay? We're not a single report on Raga. What do you want to do? I mean, it's not a question. It's, yeah, what do you do? - No, but what would the Western media do, but obviously, (speaking in foreign language) They quote, (speaking in foreign language) You, the problem with the Hindu population and making a very general statement, they take it like, (speaking in foreign language) Where he asked the panelists that you define everyone's and the token, you do it for any other religion. (speaking in foreign language) I have just read out a quote from Nehru to you from the '50s, and still, until 2014, we were not talking about these things, six decades, three generations. So somewhere, the problem is also with our awareness. (speaking in foreign language) - Yeah, so I know, Tushar, you have to go. So how about this? I'll answer the rest of the questions. (speaking in foreign language) I will take care of the rest of the questions. There are four or five. And once again, Tushar, thanks for coming. I look forward to our next chat. We'll try to make it a monthly feature. We'll always talk about current updates every month. Tushar and I will plan something, because I've gotten many emails that need app or Tushar's (speaking in foreign language) We'll make it a monthly feature or something. We'll make sure every month we do something. Take a chance. Take care, buddy. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Okay, I'll take care of the rest of the questions. - All right. - Okay, what was the next question? In the recent Christian conversion campaign, push across India, Syria, so just optics, is the BJP and RSS is doing anything to counter this even states. Well, the BJP and RSS does everything to counter it. There have been anti-conversion for laws. RSS also does (speaking in foreign language) and many other things are done. I don't know if you read the news or not. To read left-wing channels, they keep accusing them of all these things. What do you think about Ajit's hypothesis that some MP is going to use the single to bash someone on the head jokes apart? I have no clue. I have not heard Ajit saying. So can the parliamentary session be productive? We are expecting a productive parliamentary session is a little too much in a country like ours. Honestly, it hurts me to even say this, but it's a fact. If any left-finger asks you this question, how can the Indianians be 90 Hindu when 90% of themselves are Hindus? How do you respond to this question? I mean, just because you belong to a faith, you can't be anti that faith, like how? So this is like saying that an ex-Muslim who calls themselves a Muslim, but they were born pretty much in Islam. They can't be anti Islam. They are anti Islam. They dislike it. The Congress clearly dislikes. The like of a dislike of a subject is not based on your ethnicity. The like or dislike of the subject is based on your core of your arguments. And the core of the arguments of the Congress is very clearly anti Hindu. So, I mean, let's not beat around the bush guys. Asking the anti BJP people to point out facts to back rhetoric has been way more effective than countering them in points. (speaking in foreign language) Well, good. Back it up with points. Always remember, rhetoricians hope other evidence provide (speaking in foreign language) That's always been my way. Asking rhetoricians to make a point. The nationalistic right-wing discourse is still stuck on intellectual validation from the West. How can this be improved? By creating more heroes in your own backyard, by creating more genuine heroes, more intellectual icons. People who actually have a functioning brain, unlike rhetoricians. Always remember, rhetoricians make you feel good, but they actually damage you in the long run. My reading of construction of religious boundaries by Hijot Obra, I opened my eyes to the Sikh problem, but there is, is there a Sikh equivalent of RSS working for Sikhs that Sikhs to count or call us on? The RSMaj is very active in Punjab in that sense. They've always been active in that part of the country. And the RSS kind of helps the RSMaj wherever it can, because the RSMaj and RSS have many differences of opinion also when it comes to that. Are we headed for a Lok Sabha of slogans and rhetoric instead of discussion and humor? Yes. Question, booster, discussion, time, (speaks in foreign language) People need to realize for the longest time your community was only unit you could rely on and was only enabled by our politics post, 1947. Won't change in 10 years, voting against the BJP is not against Hinduism. I mean, you make the whole point and then you say voting against BJP is not against Hinduism. I think you meant to say is against Hinduism. I don't know what you meant, but I don't want to speak for you. But I believe voting against the BJP is pretty much voting against Hinduism because you have no option. Believe me, that's the only option. Okay, AMA Kabhikarogay, so here's the thing. I am back in North America around the 16th, 17th. So somewhere in this month I will make an announcement and the members will know you just keep checking the community tab bus, keep checking the community tab. Why does Raoul Gandhi have so much arrogance? Listen, he has come up to in his eyes, he's passed, right? Abhita, the, the, the atan narrative was papu phalogay, papu phalogay. Now papu thinks he's passed. So the papu is feeling that he's passed. So he's going to be arrogant, right? That's the simple and honest answer. 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