The Cārvāka Podcast

Jewish Hatred In Canada

In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Amir Epstein about the sudden rise of Jewish hatred in Canada in the last few months that led Amir to start an organisation called TAFSIK, a grassroots organization combatting the alarming rise of antisemitism by building bridges with different communities.

Follow TAFSIK: Twitter: @tafsikorg Website: https://tafsik.com/

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Duration:: 1h 4m
Broadcast on:: 01 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) Namaste everyone, welcome to the chart of a podcast. All right, so my guest today is Amir Epstein. Just to give you guys a brief background, Amir Ramir, a few days ago. But I feel like I know him for a while. So he was kind enough to invite me to speak at the Isle of Canada Day event recently in Toronto, where I got to speak to a diverse audience. And then he also had an event recently where Dr. Gatsad had come to speak. He gave a wonderful speech and a presentation and Amir had invited me and we met there. So Amir, thanks for coming to come on the podcast. - Thank you. - So this is your first time. Well, nobody, so I have a little bit of a tradition. I request my guests to tell everybody a little bit about themselves. So let's start there. So who are you, where you're from? How did you get into all of this? - I was one years old. - No, I'm not gonna do that. - Well speed it up. - I, you know, I worked in criminal law of defense a while before that I was a musician, tour across the country, across Canada. After criminal defense law went into artist management, had some pretty big artists. And then COVID hit and I realized touring is done. No one's going on tour. And it's gonna be a long time. So I decided, okay, I'll figure something else to do. I'm, that was right after the Kelly Clarkson tour I was working on. And I'm like, this is done, I need to find something to do. And I came up with this tech company and I was doing quite well, everything was great. And then September 7th happened. And you know, it just had such a profound effect on me. There's always terrorist attacks in Israel. And I always hear about it. I'm always like, man, it's horrible, it's horrible. But something, obviously this is a bigger thing, but it hit me differently. And October 8th and October 9th, that for like two weeks, every day I was, there was, you know, anytime I spoke to somebody I hadn't spoken to, since before COVID or something, I was like, cry. I'm like, shit, oh, like a very emotional. You just hit me really hard. And I'm seeing the complicity of people not caring, just disappearing. And I decided this, I gotta do something about this. Our country is disaster, so I decided, okay, I don't know what I'm gonna do, how I'm gonna do it, but I'm just gonna do it. And I started this organization called Tafsik, which in Hebrew means enough. The mom you see all of me and Hebrew. Amida enough, Tafsik, Tafsik, you know. So I thought it was a great name and it made sense. And the co-founder is a guy named Brian Lewovetzki, who now is like a brother to me. I mean, we talk every day, he works on this with me. He does all the backend stuff, tech, all that stuff. I'm more of the face and the, you know, organizer and getting things going. So we start Tafsik and here we are. - So what kind of activities does Tafsik do? - So the idea was, you know, you know, what is it we're doing? Because at first, people were pulling us left, right, and center, help with this, help with this, help with that. I'm like, need to focus on what it is we wanna do. Obviously, we wanna combat anti-Semitism because it exploded. But what else do we wanna do? How else does this, you know, this Canadian, you know, this country, we operate that we can live in peacefully? Who else are in our country that are Canadians that we don't know? We thought, okay, the most important thing we can do really is build allies, build bridges, learn about different communities who share commonalities that have the same values as us, that appreciates a love's life like we do, who wanna be allowed to continue to enjoy the freedom to express our religion ourselves. And it not mean hurting others, right? So fighting anti-Semitism, building allies. Okay, which allies? The first two that made the most sense were the Iranians because they are going through, I mean, they went through what Canada's just starting to potentially go through, which is the Islamification of a country, a total revolution where the Islam regime comes in and says, you're all done, this is how it's gonna be. So they make sense because they are very much our, you know, foresight, they can tell us what's happening. The other group were the Indians. Of course, the Indians, you know, the Hindus, the Christians that they're experienced with terrorism and Islamic extremism is identical to what we both do. So I thought these are the two, you know, kind of groups that we wanna start talking to and learning about. And at first, we, you know, that's what we did. We started approaching different organizations, you know, and meeting, just meeting people, it was just natural. It wasn't like, hi, I'm calling from to seagoard, like it wasn't that way, you know, I met, you know, Iranians naturally, it just kind of happened. And we connected and it made sense, so we became friends. And same with the Hindu community and the Indian community. It made sense and now we have all these friends that we all work together and we really kind of, we all understand what it is. And one of the things I want to do as well is, okay, let's introduce education. The Jude community knows so little about the Hindu community. We know so little about Iranians. We don't know the difference between the flags. We didn't know anything about the communist Iranians versus the, you know, a royalist versus the mech and like all these, these are all, every, you know, ancient people, there's a lot of politics. There's a lot of culture and a lot of history. So I thought we should learn. And so we started doing these like bi-weekly, even once a month educational series for free. We bring somebody in from the Indian community and we talk about, you know, the long outstanding history behind, let's say the Hindu community specifically. So we had leaders from the Hindu community. We've had Iranian people come, who are very well educated and teach how we've got to contemporary Iran so that we can learn. 'Cause when you learn about each other, that's when you really make the allies, you know what I'm saying? So not just having a common enemy, okay, great, but let's learn about each other. And that's what we started to focus on. - I want to build on this. So you said you, having hatred for someone is not a very healthy way of building anything. - Right. - The one thing that I appreciated when I came to the Gatsad event is that your organization did not promote any kind of hatred. The aim of that event was trying to make people understand that freedom is good, human rights are valuable. - Fantastic. - Right, that's what I got out of that right event. And the idea of wanting to be alive and living a good life is actually a not a bad thing. And that's something that most people should agree on. And that's the first thing. When you build something on positive values, you tend to get much better results than when you build something on negativity. Negativity is that I hate group X. Right now, there is group X that has a problem with A, B, and C. So A, B, and C follow the rule that, oh, so the enemy of my friend is like-- - Right, right. - That kind of a thing, sure. And I think that's a very negative way of building anything. I've, you know, in my own journey, I came to Canada for the first time in 2001. I studied at York University. I was, I left Canada and to York University. - Yeah, we're all, look at that. Everybody's from York. So is this kind of a career? - Yeah, yeah, everybody's from York. So I went back in 2002. I got married to a Canadian. We've been married for 17 years. And I would come back and forth to Canada. Now I've become very regular in Canada for the last few years. I've made a conscious decision that at least half of the year I'm going to be here, half of the year I live in India. And that's how I balance my life. Like I go back and forth, I go back and forth. So, you know, I'll be there for a few weeks, then come back. It's kind of trying to balance both, both, both lives. - Sure. - And, and I've always had a fondness for Canada. My biggest problem with Canadian discourse has been that Canadians have nothing to add. When, you know, you remember that day on the, we, I love Canada day. - Oh, but we heart Canada, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I asked a very simple question where are Canadian values? - Right. - And did you see the faces of everybody in the crowd? - You weren't sure what you meant. - But let's start there. Then how can an organization like the sea? It doesn't matter, right? Whether you're a Jewish Canadian or a Hindu Canadian, you're Canadian, right? - Correct. - So, what, what is that binds, binds an average Canadian? You can't be loved for ice hockey. - Of course not, look, Canada, here's the thing. We have an enemy, okay? People who are coming here who want to destroy the democracy of Canada, under the guise of, you know, Canadians are racist, all Canadians are racist. We're here to instill our values, which we believe is superior to your values. So they use very much our weakness against us to form the popular ideas. And this is what I mean. So, what's the worst thing you could be called a racist? It's the worst thing in Canada to be called as a racist. Well, there's a few other worst, worst ones for sure. But the worst, it's one of the worst things you could be called as a racist. What's a racist? A person who really loves their country, because that means they think they're better than everybody else who isn't in the country. Oh, so you're a nationalist, you're a supremacist. That means you hate anybody who didn't come from you. They just twist it into a thing where if you, you know, just a few years ago, we used to have that popular commercial, I Am Canadian. Remember that most of the Canadian beer commercial? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. - Show me one person who's proud to be Canadian out there that isn't immediately called a white supremacist racist, racist, racist, Nazi. So that is the value that we had as Canadians and we were proud to be Canadian because we love our democracy. We love Western ideologies, the freedom of expression, the freedom to practice whatever religion we have, in peace and to love our families and just be left alone to try to enjoy life. That is no longer acceptable by a few groups. You have the Islamist political arm of Islam that want to push this caliphate and we have to kill everybody who was Jewish and Christian and everybody else who doesn't see things, aren't we? And then you have their useless, at least we call it useful idiots, but really they're useless idiots. The, you know, a lot of like white kids and that are, oh, Marxism is great. Communism is amazing. It's fantastic. They don't know anything about it. But this is how they see it, why? Because they hate democracy. Why do you hate democracy? Because I have nothing, I have a failure, I'm a loser. I want people to give me the things that I have a, why should you have a nice house in a car? I worked 12 hour days. I worked my ass off to buy my house and I still owe a lot of money on my house and I pay a lot of money for my car. Well, why shouldn't I have your house? Because you didn't work your ass off and you're lazy and you're a failure. Really, right? A lot of these people are just, I'm sorry to say, a lot of them are just losers. So the losers hate democracy. They see this other group hate, it hates our democracy. The caliphate, you know? That's what they want to think, oh, okay, we relate. We both hate democracy. This is great, we should work together without understanding the true essence of what it is that will happen to them if this extremist ideology wins. And who knows about the extremist ideology is the best? People who have suffered. People who have suffered from it. Iranians who've seen their country taken and their people oppressed and killed for what? Indians who at the same time as when Israel was re-established, you see Pakistan and look at the fighting and the killing, why? So, and there's others too, of course, right? There's other calisthenes that are tackling I mean, in Canada, especially. So we understand the effect of what an extremist ideology means in real life and Canadians that if we take out those three groups and we just look at Canadian, like, you know, the kind of the quintessential white person Canadian who loves hockey, they don't want to be bothered by this shit. They just want to live their lives like they do. They want to have a beer on Friday and take the boots off, relax, watch some hockey, go ice skate, whatever, right? Like just be whatever, free. So they don't really understand this. And the kids who grow up not understanding this, there's a romantic attraction to this. There's a romantic attraction to, oh man, it's crazy. Like, they don't have friends. Let's say they come, they leave, let's say Saskatchewan, they come to Toronto, they don't know anybody. They kind of meet with some other kids and those other kids are like, yeah, man, Marxism, communism is really cool. Oh, it is, they don't know anything about it, but they have new friends and they like their friends and they kind of get pulled into the sink. And unfortunately, it's usually the case that it's those who are the weakest, the least intellectual, but not the leaders, the followers. And those are the people who fall into this trench and they don't even see the enantiodramia effect of what their goals are and what the reality is. What I mean by that is, so enantiodramia is when the exact, when you're said to do something, the exact opposite happens, the missionaries in Africa, we want you to believe in Jesus Christ or you're gonna die. We want you to believe in Jesus Christ or you're gonna die. We want you to, oh, I killed him. That's an enantiodram, okay? So as an example, so like you try for an effect and then the opposite occurs. They don't understand that, they are, they think they're doing right by joining these groups because they see them as a minority group or whatever. They don't understand that what they're becoming is the thing that they're accusing others of. They are today's nonsense. - Do you think there is a crisis of meaning in the average white Canadians life? - No, I don't think so. Listen, I've been here my whole life. I am, I appear white, I'm Jewish, so technically. - I understand, but you're Jewish, you're not counted. - I mean, I don't count myself as a white man, even though I appear white. - You literally know what I'm saying. - I do. I think it's- - They won't even think you're right. - You're right, well, we weren't white enough in World War II for the Nazis. - I mean, you don't remember Karen Brocken's book, right? How did Jewish became white folks? - I've sat you, there is a literal book. - Absolutely. And if you take a look at real historical figures, you look at McGill, there was a quota. There's only so many Jews that can talk about that. There's only so many Jews that were allowed to become doctors in Canada, just 30, 40 years ago. There were hotels that wouldn't allow Jews to come in. So we weren't white enough to them. But today, we should be accountable for all the crimes of white history, you know, everything that's occurred in the past. That's, you know, there's a lot of manipulations, a lot of weaponization of words, weaponization of ideas, and they're really good at it. This is, I'm talking about specifically the Islamic, you know, the Islamists, which I think it's, you know, I know God has a different, we had God sat in a different opinion on this. My opinion remains that the political branch of Islam is the, is the violent branch, and that's, that's where we see the- - By the way, I would have to desupport this point. - I don't agree with- - Yeah, 'cause I know sad things, you start with the religion, because I'll tell you why. If you look at any, first of all, I believe in being able to criticize any religion. - Yeah, yeah. - It's a, it's thought. - Free speech. - Absolutely, absolutely. So I'll talk to my friend who is a Christian, and he'll tell me, you know, in Judaism, and I'll be like, holy shit, I didn't even know. That's, that's really fucked up. That's, that's, that's not okay. Okay, but you know what, 3,000 years ago, it was okay. Whatever it was, that was a normal thing, it was societal norm. If you take a look at any religion, Christianity, Islam, things that happen, you know, these religions were built at a time that we can't possibly remember or understand the complexity of the societal norms. But the difference is this. Jews today can look at that. Or if you're, I don't know, I'll make something up. You know, if your wife cheats on you, you should be able to cut her hands off. No, he's cutting off their wife's hands. If they cheat, they get a fucking divorce. - Yeah. - Because we're normal. - Because we don't do it. Yes, I understand the text said that. Anyways, that was a long time ago. So we understand that everything keeps changing. Same with Christianity. There's a lot of things that are like, holy shit. We don't do that anymore. They don't do that. Obviously societal norms, we grow. And it's like that with every religion. Problem is, and this is what God is saying with Islam. Because it is the final word, Muhammad is the final word. It must never be. - That's it. - You can't reform it. So if there's no reform, you have to apply what was normal back then. And which is whatever, you know, whatever you can think of, it doesn't matter. It doesn't apply today. Well, it sure does. So that's why his position is up. But my position is different because I'm friends with Muslim people who don't apply those, you know, those religious kind of-- - They don't take their religion as seriously as just like you don't take your religion seriously. - I take my religion seriously. I don't apply it literally. - That's what it is. - It's not literalism. It's basically cafeteria and religiosity. - Sure. Like it's like, look, we living, I live in Canada. I have you right here in front of me. If I have, if my world has to be surrounded by only Jewish people and everything we do has to be Jewish, it would be very foreign. The whole world would be very foreign. So we don't live like that anymore. - Yeah. - So my position is that Islamism is the political branch of Islam. That's the part that says we have to kill all the Jews. We have to kill the Christians. We have to kill everybody that isn't Muslim. And we have to take over the world. We must apply this caliphate. We must apply Sharia law, this like barbaric law, which is literally the opposite of progressiveness. And that's, those are the people who are the danger. My friends who are Muslim don't think there should be a caliphate. They're like, what? No, they'll have a beer. You know, they want to eat pork. Okay, like, but this is, that's normal, right? That's normal, you practice your religion, but you're not applying this militant, you know, ideology. So part of it. So that is what's happening in Canada is we have people coming here from places where it is preached, forget the militant part and the extreme ideology part of it. And they're coming here and they want to apply that because that is what they know. And you have to kind of understand that's what they know, that's what they're doing. Fine. But not all values are equal. Not all morals are equal. And in this, in that respect, I'm sorry. And I'll say this to the world. Western ideologies in terms of values, in terms of how I respect you for being, if you're a good person, I don't care where you pray. I don't care who you love. I don't, what is it my business? Are you happy? Are you a good man? Do you do good things that I respect you? That's what it should be based on. And that's why my values are superior to theirs. Their values are inferior because their values are, we don't accept you, we show you need to become Muslim. And if you don't, I'm gonna kill you. I'm sorry, that's an inferior value. Do you think Jewish hatred has been normalized in Canada? Absolutely. It's been normalized around the world. I've been calling it for years. I've been saying, you know, it's always under the auspices of another idea. It's never just, we hate Jews. It's, you know, we hate Israel. Why? And whatever they say, it's like, it sounds more like you hate, you just hate Jews. Criticizing Israel, absolutely. Let's talk about, I'll criticize Israel. I can criticize BP Netanyahu. I can criticize a lot of internal politics. That most people don't, yeah, I think nobody should deny the fact that it happens. October 7th happened under his watch. Absolutely. And he was a blunder. It's going to be his legacy. And he's going to be gone because, but this is not the time. Yeah. There's a war. He has to lead the country through a war. Once the war is done, oh, trust me, he won't. I don't know, I know very few people who believe that he is, he should continue. Because just like gold a mare, what happened? When she was this incredible, her minister, and then she screwed up so big in a cause. Some people left. She knew that she had to withdraw and leave. So yeah, let's criticize. But if you're criticizing a country that, but let's say does XYZ, but then every other country that does the same XYZ, it's okay, but there's something going on. Yeah. So it's like, hold on, why, right? So in Canada, it's been, we hate Israel. We don't hate Jews, we hate Israel. Then it became, we hate Zionists. So like, do you know what a Zionist is? Yeah, you guys hate Palestinians wrong. Zionism, or anybody listening who doesn't know, I'm going to make it so simple that you'll understand it perfectly. We as Jews would like to govern ourselves in our ancestral homeland. So you know what that means? You know what that definition means? Every single Palestinian is a Zionist. Name one Palestinian, let's say, living in Gaza, who doesn't believe that they should be governed by their own people on their own ancestral home. All of it, right? They may be mistaken what their ancestral homeland is. Arabs from the Arabic peninsula, Jews from Judea, Judea, Samaria, but putting that aside, they believe that they should be able to govern themselves on their homeland. That means they're Zionists. That's all Zionism means. So they take the word and they go, well, we're allowed to say we hate Zionists because that's socially acceptable. And I said, it's a matter of time, and they're going to start saying we hate Jews, just wait, you'll see. And now it's happening. And it's becoming such a love, say lovey. So I just get confused when I come over here and I listen to politicians tippy towing around this subject. Everybody gets confused when I listen to politicians. - No, but there has to be a line that has to be drawn somewhere, right? Where you see scary videos of mobs, of people with face masks, going to Jewish neighborhoods in Toronto or in the greater Toronto region. And literally intimidating people. I saw university students feeling unsafe. They're saying, no Zionists are allowed here. Particularly, I saw a video of a New York subway where a bunch of-- - Your head of your Zionists get off last night. - Yeah, I mean, what the hell is this? Like, isn't it like 15% of the population of New York is Jewish or something? That's our, I think the single largest number of Jews outside of Israel live in and around New York City. And if that is the case, like where do the Jews go? I mean, is this the message being sent to the Jewish community in North America that if Israel does not exist, you're not safe anywhere now? - We know that if Israel cease to exist, we're fucked. We know that. Every Jew, I mentioned this in God's side. And if you remember, I said, 'cause there's a whole hundreds of people that are lots of different communities, but there's a lot of Jews. 'Cause every Jew in this room has probably had this conversation. So where are we moving? Where are we moving to Florida, Texas, or Israel? And everybody started laughing because everybody, every Jew I know, every Jew in Canada is saying, do we leave? Is this the time-- - That's heartbreaking. - Is this time for us to go now? Because this is incredibly, it's actually identical to what we saw in Nazi Germany right before the Holocaust. We started seeing a systemic turn against the Jews. And you know what's crazy is the behavior of the Jewish community is the same. Back then, all the Jews voted for Hitler. Every Jew, why? Because they didn't wanna be the ones to be like, well, we're not gonna vote for this other group 'cause then we stick out or whatever. He also didn't know that he was about to murder six million Jews and 12 million people. Today, the Jews are the same thing. Do we leave? Well, it's not the most liberal Jews are saying, well, you know, it's not great, but it'll be fine. It's not like it's systemic. Oh, but it is systemic. - Can you talk about that legislation that on the day of the event that people were signing class, those at the-- - Absolutely. - It's so loud. - It's a bit of a, yeah, well, it's a bit left for y'all to tell you. So the Toronto District School Board has the biggest union in the world. Most people don't even know this. They have more money than anybody. - Oh, love. - Yeah, they're massive. The Toronto District School Board. And everybody in the school boards, including the Peel Region, York Region, all the school boards, at least in Ontario, and I'm seeing as well Vancouver and other places, but I'll speak to what I know, they're far left. Far left to the point where, like, the head of Koopi, Fred Hahn, this is his name, H-A-H-N, Fred Hahn. He looks like Shrek is a, you know, like a white guy that looks exactly like Shrek. Terrible to look at. The day it was either October 7th or October 18th tweeted, this is right after what happened. Liberation, you know, the people of, yeah, yeah. Palestinians are a liberary. Like this, it warms my heart. I'm not gonna quote, 'cause I don't remember the exact words, but basically suggesting that he was so happy that they were, you know, they broke through the borders of, you know, with resistance, they, like, supporting what they did. Supporting the genocide of 1,200 people who were just, and I ran, you know, it's crazy. 1,200 people that are far left Jews. Most people don't even understand that. The people who were killed in the kibbutz, those aren't right-wing Jews. Those are people who actually are anti-Israel. A lot of them, a lot of them were very, I shouldn't say anti-Israel, let me take that. A lot of, all of them were the most part pro-Palestinian. And what that means is they would bring Gazans in, or Shrek but dinner, give them jobs. Like they knew them by name. While the Palestinians who were in their villages were marking down, I actually says names of people in each house mapping it all out for Hamas. So when the day came, which was October 7th, they would come from the knock on the door and say, "Hey, Avi, can you open the door?" And the guy would think, "You know, it's the person. You open the door and it should have been done." These people are, like, far left, like, "Oh, maybe we can have peace, you know? It's just, it's just misunderstanding." It's like, "No, it isn't. This has nothing to do with land. This has to do with religion. This has to do with the extremist ideologies that we spoke about." So a lot of people don't understand that here, we have this far left school board. You know, like, whoa, DEI kind of people, right? Who are desperate to paint this picture. Anyone whose skin color is a little bit darker than white are poor and oppressed, and anyone whose white isn't oppressed. That's the painting. So what are they doing? So what we saw at this event, they're introducing something called anti-Palestinian. Said hate, anti-Palestinian hate. That's what it's called. Or anti-Palestinian racism, I think it's racist. And what it is, is that we already have, you know, Islamophobia, bad. Anti-Semitism, bad. It doesn't even have, by the way, a Hindu phobia, bad. - Oh, they don't consider that. And they already the same school board-- - And I wanna get into that. I wanna get into that. - I do, 'cause I think it's important. But now they're saying we should also introduce anti-Palestinian racism, which means, but that's Islamophobia. Why are they introducing it? I'll tell you what, because if it gets implemented into the school, you see this? The start of David I'm wearing, this start of David will be racist. It's anti-Palestinian. If I wear a flag of Israel, anywhere on me, that's racism, I'm suspended. If I say Hamas is a terrorist organization, that's anti-Palestinian racism. So what is the purpose of doing this? It's to strip us from our identity. It's gonna say to Jews, you can't show that you're Jewish anymore. In schools, or your kid will be suspended or thrown out. So systemic racism. You saw the government in Germany apply systemic racism in different ways. Here we're seeing it applied in another way. So, what are we thinking as Jews in Canada is a time belief. I mean, it's crazy to even think, I've been here for 42 years. I never thought I'd ever even think that question. Leave Canada, this is my life, I love Canada. Okay, where are we going? And every single Jew in Canada, I'm telling you everyone across the whole nation is asked as a time to go. That's where we are now. And I do wanna get into homophobia for a minute. Because I've spoken to a lot of different leaders, communities and organizations and political candidates in it. There's something in Canada today, and it's a silent racism. It's like a quiet racism against Indian people, specifically Hindus. You see temples desecrated. You see people getting attacked. It's not covered in the news. Nobody's talking about it, it's hush, hush, hush. This is a big problem. Because it's similar to what the Jews are going through. The only difference is we're loud. And we're like, fuck you. What if you're gonna let you get away with it? And for whatever reason, Indian communities, quiet, stay focused, worry about school, get good grades, don't worry about that shit. Just focus on this and you all have a good life. They're seeing that, okay, they went to school. They got their degrees. Their lawyers, their doctors and juniors, right? At the top. And then they have kids. And their kids are going through the same shit as them. And they're being attacked. So there's a long road for the Indian community in Canada to have safety, protection, and the same enjoyment to life as everyone else. So this is one of the reasons why we're working with the Hindu organizations and Indian organizations is because we need to make this known. And a lot of people don't know anything about it. So how do we, I'm asking you, how do we get the Indian community in Canada to start standing up to racism against their community and not be, you know, intimidated into not saying anything? Because until you guys stand up, nobody else is going to. I think that to stand from the idea that, listen, at least with the Jewish community, right? They didn't know if they go back to Israel, Israel is a rich country. They have a very hyper-capita income, a very robust economy, a very highly educated-- - Yeah, of course, huge industry. And they know if they go out from what is called a developed country, they go from one developed country to another developed country. So that breeds a next level of confidence. A lot of Indians that come over here, right? They might be very educated, very smart, and a bunch of them are not so educated, and they might be doing blue-collar jobs. They come from a scarcity mindset. They come from a mindset that says, if I lose this, I don't have anything to fall back on. Listen, for example, the average income, I don't know what the average income of Israel is, I could Google it and find out. But the average income of India right now is less than $3,000 per ann. The average income of Canada is $55,000 US dollar. - Okay. - So there's a huge difference. - There's also a different cost to life in India. - I get it, but even if we adjusted for purchase power parity, it does not come up to 10,000, 12,000. We have a lot of poor people still in India. - Sure. - So that breeds a different level of insecurity. So when you go and talk to these Hindu families, right? You'll be like, why don't you care? They genuinely are scared. They're scared for the children, because they're so scared that, listen, we want financial security. And now the ones you see that are speaking up, honestly, are the ones who are coming from India now, because it's a very interesting thing to all the people that you have interacted with, you'll notice barely any one of them are second-generation Hindu Canadians. All of them are first-generation from India. - It's a point. - You will barely remember anyone who's born. For example, you'll barely remember anyone other than my wife on that day, who was a second-generation Hindu Canadian in that audience. My wife was the only second-gender. - Really? - Yeah, she was the only second-generation. It was so funny. My wife was like, I'm the only one who's born here, who's Hindu. Every single Hindu that had come over there. - So why the change in, what's the change in mentality? - The constant sense from success in India. And a lot of Indians right now who are here, who are coming from India, are feeding off that success in India. They feel secured. - That's great. - They feel secured now that India is doing well, so now we can speak up. A lot of Indians before this, right, they would not feel secure and they would not speak up. And honestly, Hindus are really good immigrants. For example, you know what the proof of them being good immigrants is? The first-generation Hindus follow the law. The second-generation Hindus, a good chunk of them become broke. Let's be real. If your kid is broke, your kid has completely immersed themselves into the fabric of that society. - Because you're-- - That's a problem. You guys have to stop that right away. - No, I'm not saying you see what I'm trying to do. - Yeah, of course. - The stark side of being a good immigrant is a good chunk of you will turn broke. - Yeah, that's interesting. - And that's the same thing in the Jewish community. - Sure, absolutely. - When I was looking at the numbers, right, of, I mean, Colin and I are good friends. So Colin basically, and I'll share this chart for everybody on the screen. So Colin was looking at different communities and their support for gender surgery. And there was this poll. And so the Jewish community, this was make it illegal for healthcare professionals to provide someone younger than 18 with medical care for a gender transition. White Evangelical were 84%. Mormon were 75. White Catholic were 74. Non-white Evangelical 72. Muslim 72, Hindu 71. So Hindus are very much anti-vogue, right? Guess where the Jews, 51%. - Oh my God. - And you know, in the Hindu community, if they're divided by first generation, second generation, the first generation would be 98%. And the second generation would be smack bang where the Jewish number. - Yeah, it's interesting. So what has happened is, because Hindus are such good immigrants, right? They, their kids are turning woke. Everybody now knows the famous story of Riddi Patel in California. - Right. - Right, that's the girl who went crazy, you know? - Yeah, she's-- - I have someone in my immediate family in America whose daughter was taught by Riddi Patel's mother. I'll tell you. - Do you think that she went crazy like this because of family value? - No, no, no, her family is conservative. Riddi Patel's family is constructed. - Right, at the end. - Yeah, yeah, she charged and I mean-- - Listen, I can assure you if the Gujaratis wanted to bail her out. - They could. - 1 million is a drop in the ocean for the Gujaratis. The Gujaratis are richest. - I get away. - Yeah, of course. - Okay. Nobody bailed her out. - Well, because it's become a cultural, like this is an embarrassment. - Yeah, yeah. You're teaching her a lesson. - Oh, yeah, yeah. This is a lesson. For the Indian community, I can assure you the Indian community, you know, we have these temple fundraisers. There is $10 million just like that, especially the Gujaratis. - Of course. - Especially the Gujaratis. Nobody came up for Riddi Patel. Nobody did. - She's an embarrassment. - She was a literal embarrassment for the Gujaratis. And she was a Patel. It was even worse. - Oh, God. - They're like, how dare she do it? She's a Patel. She ran over to the cause. That's like, so why? - You know, I always say, if your kids are turning woke, that means that community per capita is actually very good in terms of blending into society. So- - You know what it is? It's giving them an easier life. - Yes. - The easier your life. - That's all it is. - This connects from reality. - Why do you think so many Jews are woke? - A hundred percent. - Good. - Yours are good immigrants. - A hundred percent. That's a problem. - So how do we call that? - There's a saying, you know, hard times make hard men. Hard men make easier times. These are times make weak men, right? Like that's the same. - Yeah. - We are now in a week. - And it's crazy that, I don't even have any shame in saying that. If you come here, and you think blowing people up and hating a bunch of people is a good idea. You come from an inferior culture. I don't even care if you belong to a part of India, because yes, calisthen is whether you like it or not belong to a part of India. - Sure. - That is not, India is not giving up on a job, no matter what other funny things. India is not going to give up on a job. So if these people come over here, these are bad Indians, because calisthen is also Indians like it or not. I mean, they are Indians. - Sure. - So these people come here. - Sure. - They bring those herd-related values over here, and they're spoiling. Now as an Indian, I'm so happy. I was like, fuck it. Let these, what the fuckers say here? You know, I'm being that honest. But from a Canadian perspective, because I live here too, now I'm torn. I'm like, can we send them somewhere else? - Right. - Well, I mean, look, the worst terror attack in Indian history. - But listen, Terry will let you tell me that. When he reached out to, you know, once I asked Terry, Terry's been there multiple times on the podcast. Listen, he was the only journalist talking about calisthen at a consistent basis. - Yeah. - And he used to work for CBC. - Wow. - And he was the only guy talking about this, the amount of lawsuits that he has faced. And, you know, Terry's no conservative. Terry, politically, is very centered left. But Terry is one of those rare Canadians who stood up for the truth. - And Terry- - And where is he now? - There, nowhere, nowhere. Do you know Terry's book? - He didn't get into the box. - Terry's book did not find a publisher in Canada. He had to find a publisher in India. - I'm not surprised. - A veteran Canadian journalist does not find a publisher in Canada. - If you want to get into journalism, you want to talk about news agency, you want to talk about that. There's a lot of problems, huge problems. You know, I have a friend who I'm not going to mention in her name is a senior anchor, reporter on a big news channel. He's Jewish. He's the only one in the entire station that offers a semblance of truth, a sintilla of truth that he presents to the public. And he, the amount of stress he's been under, he's been hospitalized for it. When Israel offered a viewing of the atrocities, for journalists only, see what happened. So you stop reporting bullshit. He called up everyone he knew. He's been around for a long time. He called everybody he knew. He came to the viewing. There was three journalists in the whole room. Nobody even wanted to see it. Because if they saw it, they'd have a big problem, right? They'd have like a self-reflective, but what do I do? I mean, they fall apart because they're not allowed to, they're not allowed to, oh, someone's choking. They're not allowed to, and we have Daniel Bortman choking. (laughing) (indistinct) - I got to Daniel Bortman. Dan, go grab some water. - Get out. - Go grab some water. I'm not gonna edit this out of the car. I want the world to know Daniel Bortman started choking when he was on the ground. - Why is he naked though? - Yeah. - That's weird. - Anyway. - Yes. So I don't know what I was talking about. - No, so it kept that important. - Just give you an idea. Since when did it become normal? But one day maybe I'm gonna do this for Canadian audiences and maybe you can help me. One day I will come and talk to citizens in Canada about how the legal system is in India, right? So we have different laws in India, and I don't know what Daniel thinks about it. Maybe I think that-- - I'm gonna walk though. - Yeah, no, you know, I think it's a good idea for Canadians to know what happens when you have identity politics on steroids. - (laughs) - Who knows? Yeah, so I think they will understand what. So I don't think Canadians know Indians in India have different civil laws for different religions. - Really? - So, and not for criminal law. - Okay. - Criminal law is second-- - All support, yeah. - But civil laws in India, we have Sharia. I am not making this up. - In India, yeah. - Yeah, as of now, today the date is the 17th of June, 2024. India is still governed by civil Sharia. - Certain areas, obviously, that are mostly Islam. - No, no, Muslims are governed by Muslim law. - Right. - So, just recently in two, three years ago, what's the first time in Indian history that finally, Kripotala, you know what Kripotala is? - No. - A Muslim man can go to a woman and say, "Tala, tala, tala," and that's it. - What does that mean? - That's it. - What's that? - Divorced. - Oh, okay, divorce. So that was stopped in India two, three years ago. (laughs) - All right. - And now you come to the barbaric end of it. This is not, so once you're divorced, right, in the Islamic system, so if you, you know, the man feels bad, no, no, I need to remarry. So Sharia doesn't allow or direct remarriage. So there is something, it's a horrendous practice, which is called nikahalala. So what does nikahalala mean? That, that woman who was divorced now has to marry someone else. That marriage needs to be consummated. That means-- - Yeah, of course. - You know what I'm talking about. There are more as in India who watch, who get married, consummate divorce, and then that woman can go back. That is still allowed in India. That is legally allowed in India. And the only talak that has been banned in India is the instant triple talak, which was like, I give you a Skype call or a WhatsApp call and talak talak talak. That, that is illegal in India. Still, Muslims who are married under Sharia, right? What they call it, what talak, bidot, and there is another thing. If you have like, okay, I give you a talak now. And then after a few months, I say one more talak. And after a few months, I say that is legal in India. - That's very convenient. - What you guys are gonna get over here, if you keep going down that path, is that you need Indians from India coming here, talking to your Canadian audiences and explain, and if they say this can't happen, listen, India is a far bigger democracy than Canada. The population of just Mumbai and its surrounding areas is more than the population of Canada. So just shut the fuck up. Don't tell us how to do democracy, okay? But when you have Islamism in a certain number, see, it starts by, oh, you guys are oppressing us. Then it starts by, oh, I need this road now because I want to pray. Listen, every Friday I just walk worldwide, actually, right? The road would be shut. Why? Because it's Friday. Everybody is on the road, spraying. Then what's the next day? Now you're not allowed in these areas. Why? Well, you're not allowed to walk around in these areas in certain clothes. Then you have Shariya Pectoral. Listen, these are inferior values. Tomorrow, if a Hindu does it, I would say that also is an inferior value. If a Jew does it, that also is an inferior value. I don't give up, if feelings are hurt. - Close it. - Right? These are inferior values. The problem is that moral relativism has crept so deeply into our discourse, whether it is certain pockets of India, whether it's in the West, and yes, maybe at one point of time, white people did extremely bad things. Of course. What has a white kid born today got to do with that? - Right. - What is this collective guilt that every white person has to carry all the time? And it is coming to these countries. And what happens is that certain people from different cultures who know about these things and who want to talk about it, are either never given a platform. - Or they're called white adjacent. - Braces. - Hindus are white adjacent, like I'm pretty dark. - White adjacent. - But I'm white adjacent. So it's very weird. - Just like that, they took away your pocket. - And this group of people, they understood the Western system better than you did. So they took over your school boards. - Exactly. - They took over the levers of the tower. - It's a, it's a, it's written. - Yeah. - They just apply it in each place. - Yes. And now, so they, what, how did they get the Hindus? They're like, okay, they apparently have this caste system. Yes, whatever it is in its form in India. Indians who come over here, they have nothing to do with that, because, you know, basically pretty much that system breaks down over here. And due to market forces, basically life happens. And then, how did they find out, okay, we can shut the Hindus up through this caste thing. So they have these caste bill introductions and all of that. And then they try to tarnish the Hindu community. So that's like, you know, a gun on their head all the time. Now they don't know what to do. You know, I, any of ironies is like the calisthenes would support the caste bill. I'm a Punjabi, I know my language, right? And, and I read Punjabi lyrics. The amount of casteism that is there in Punjabi lyrics that these calisthenes sing. Yeah, it's hilarious that they support the one bill. And the best part is the bill got passed in some place in the United Kingdom. The first person to be jailed was a calisthenne under that bill because that person was a casteist. Right. So you really want that bill? I mean, be careful what you wish for. Absolutely. Be careful what you wish for. That's what we're seeing here. We're seeing like this, we have to, you know, combat and, you know, racism, just racism as a whole. So you think, okay, well, shit, racism affects my people. You think, holy shit, that's my people. Yeah, we're really, really just focusing on this one group. And if you complain, guess what, you're racist. And then you have to deal with the consequences. Wait a minute, hold on a second, what's going on here? Why isn't, you know, why don't we count on the racist? Why do they count? Well, because, look, you're a skin color. Why does that do anything? This is what's happening in swelling quickly in Canada. And it's concerning because they're getting so many people to join them. This is one of the, this is why TEPC focuses on animals. Because there's 360,000 Jews in all of Canada. It's like tiny. Politicians really care what Jews think. You said it earlier, they care about votes. And notes. And notes. So they don't care, if we don't have enough votes, we're not a concern. Okay, well, what if the Jews and the Iranians together demand the same, you know, things from the government? Okay, it's a little bit better. What if it's the Iranians that Jews and the Hindus? Holy shit. And the Christians. Okay, we've got to listen. So let's talk about that. So what, what is the future for Canadian politics? Geez. As far as the synergy that you're talking about, because I, because it's quite, you know, we've been speaking for a while and I want to focus on solutions. So how can we as different community come together and help each other? Listen, we might have our differences. Sure. At a religious level, at a political level, at different levels. But the point is, is that we believe in the idea of democracy. We believe it's the idea of human rights. We believe in the, and we despise the oppression of pressure, you know, oppressed and oppressed are narrative. Like I, I, listen, I, I, and this is my best, many people off. I don't like the word Hindu phobia. I don't believe. I'm hearing the different sides. Yeah, and I know a lot of people are like, otherwise how do we get hurt? Like, yeah, and I understand the argument from the Hindu side, but I've never been comfortable with that word and I just want to put it on right. Okay. I don't believe I'm a victim. If I was a victim, I would not be the richest minority in right North America. Let me put that straight up. Hindus are the richest minority. Indians are the richest minority of North America. Whether it's Canada, whether it's America, we're literally the richest. We're taking over the Jews now. The Jews are number two now, we're number one. We have the money as much as the Jews do. Sure. Right. And all the stereotypes about the Jews in the next 20 years are going to be about all the stereotypes are going to be about. I'll tell you what to expect. Yeah. So, but the point is that I just want to send a message. It's not bad to be rich. No, why shouldn't it be? These Jews, these Hindus, these Muslims, these Sikhs, who became rich, they worked their part off. Right. I know so many kids who used to come here to study in university, washing dishes, mopping floors, doing two jobs, fucking busting their balls, getting their degree. What else were they supposed to do? You told them, study, get a good job. They did it. Right. Now you're saying you're a fucking oppressor? Right. So, suck yourselves. A oppressor succeed, and those who are oppressed fail. You understand? Yeah. But it's also so racist. It's just a strange thing because the purpose of it, the intention of it is to protect those who are more vulnerable. But then what do they do? They go, "Well, these vulnerable people, they're so stupid. They don't know how to vote. They don't know how to do this. We should help them." It's like, "Holy shit." That is insanely racist in itself. You're taking away the person's autonomy. Yeah. So, let's say there is a Hindu organization in Canada that watches you today. How do they reach out to you, and how can they work with you guys? So, the thing that we're doing, we're building, obviously, allies. Okay, so we do events to announce different initiatives. We have different communities coming to us saying, "Hey, how do we work together?" We do different cultural things, but we also do political. So, cultural things, for example, we're going to be working with a Hindu organization in Canada. We're going to do a combined Duwali Hanukkah, because both of us, you know, the evolution of light. This is a beautiful cultural event for people to be able to get to know each other, understand each other, work together, and become friends. That's the idea. But there's a political side. The political side is really going, "Okay, you, whichever community, okay, let's just say the Iranians. What is the paramount thing you need to help you have an easier life in Canada?" We know what that paramount thing is. List the IRGC as a terrorist organization. They are. So, that's the main paramount thing that they want done. The Hindu community. We asked them. The paramount thing to be, they use the word "Hindifobia." Let's just go with that. The point of "Hindifobia" to categorize Hindu people as an independent category of minority, which I think needs to happen anyways, whether you call it Hindu, phobia or not makes no difference to me. But the fact that you can be racist towards a Hindu person, it's like, it's not really racist and the tribunal won't really care because you're not a recognized individual group. Right, so this is a paramount thing for their community. Okay, so we can all work together and push those, because none of those paramount things are competing or causing anyone else's harm, they're good things. So if the Jewish, Iranian and Hindu, as an example, communities come together, a few million people, suddenly it's like, "Oh, votes and notes, well, votes." We work very closely with a lot of politicians, tough-seek works very closely with a whole bunch of politicians, right up to, especially in the conservative party is really a lot more understanding of our difficulties and the things that we suffer. So we work with them, we've been invited to these different things, we approach. So by having larger numbers, by having more, and this is the key, subscribers, people who go to tough-seek.com, scroll to the bottom and just write their name and email, "Oh, when those numbers get bigger, we present those numbers to the politicians." And we say, "Look, we have 5 million subscribers that are all in unison towards these goals and we can actually say, "Okay, this week we need to focus on this problem, this temple in Brampton was desecrated, we need volunteers, we got it," like working together as communities, but when everyone else has just turned their blinders on, that's what we're meant to be doing. That's what we're really working on. I'll give you a quick example. I got a phone call weeks ago from this man, a father, an email, excuse me, not a phone call. First, there was an email saying, "I've emailed everybody, I don't know who else to email, like I emailed all the big organizations, nobody responded, can you help me? My daughter was beaten into unconsciousness at her head, cracked open, her eye sockets busted, her nose broken by some kids. Can you help me out?" I'm saying, "What?" So of course, I'm like, "Call me right now, you couldn't believe that I even recommended to call. Of course, call me." So he calls me. He speaks about it. There's some boy who basically catfished her, "Come meet me at whatever subway," and she was 16 years old. She went, she met with him. He's like, "Let's go through this park and get to my house." They get to the park, two girls are waiting, and they attack her, and they stomp on her head until she's unconscious, broke her face, took her things ran off. She goes to the hospital, the police officer comes, writes up the report, "Thank you, we'll get back to you." A week goes by, no one responds, nothing's happening. He finally emails back, saying, "Sorry, I was on vacation, so just to let you know," because she then says, "I know this boy because we were friends on social media. This is his name. He's blocked me from everything ever since." I mean, this is pretty obvious what's going on. And the police officer, "Well, we brought him in with his mom. We have no reason to believe he had anything to do with anything, and that's kind of where it's over." I'm like, "Oh, no, no, no. That's not where it's over." First of all, there's enough circumstantial evidence that they should have been able to at least get a digital copy of anyone here. You can get full CCTV, put it. There's no reason you can, and this is just a typical example of when one specific person that works as a police officer doesn't give a shit and moves on. So I put the secret together of this plan. That's what we're going to do. First we're going to get more evidence. We have a giant group of volunteers at work. We say, "Okay, we need 10 people to go to this specific area. We told exactly where this happened. Go knock our doors. Get video footage. I want to see anybody who walked by it between this hour and this hour." Second thing we're going to do, we need to go back to the police, and we need to reopen this and redo this whole thing. Spoke to a friend, they're like, "Oh, my God, thank you. This is great." We go on to the boys' social media. We find pictures of this girl, like, "That's for sure the girl sent it over," and the good girl says, "This is the girl who beat me up. This is one of the girls who attacked me." Amazing. We identified these people. We had a friend who called the top of the police, not the chief attorney, saying, "What's going on with this division? This is the superintendent. What happened here? The supervisor, "Oh, yeah. This is a problem. They don't know what they're doing. You need to..." The next day, the father calls me. We just got a phone call from a new investigator saying, "Let's start over. Give us the report again from beginning to end. I want everything to happen," and then she said, "This is what happened." They went, they arrested the boy and the girl. They found out who the girl is. They brought him in, and they both admitted to everything, and they were charged with aggravated assault, which is a serious offense. It's an indictable offense, so it's federal, and robbery, because they stole her things. This is the kind of thing where if people, communities, even individuals, are like, "I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I go to the doctor. I went to the lawyer. I went to the police. I went to this. I went to my school, the teachers, and they're basically telling me to fuck off. I don't know what to do, so this is how we are helping our community and any community that we are working with that obviously are on our side and understand the importance of our values, which are shared with all of our allies, so the organization needs to build with the communities the bigger it gets, the louder the voice becomes, and we're not, you know, the thing that makes a difference is that I don't really give a shit with anybody else thinks. I'm not like one of those guys, you know, I'm bringing a baseball cap. I'm like, I'm not wearing a suit. I do what I think is right. That's it. And nobody can stop me. There's no red tape. There's no, like, oh, you shouldn't say this, or you shouldn't do that. I'm going to do what I need to do to make sure that people who are truly being misrepresented and are suffering from the same type of, you know, attacks and of our ideologies, of our religion, have, you know, a group that we can all join together and fight together. 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