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Happy Monday afternoon to you. Another week of Gwen and Chris kicks off. It'll be a short week, but a full show, full four hours today. When is the last time? We had a four-hour show. It's got a little extra rest before this one today. Tony Gwen Jr. is joining us from Dallas, Texas, or nearby Dallas. Not exactly sure what city limits he's in. But he's there with the Padres after a fine weekend, Scrabie. The Padres did come up a little short of completing the Boston massacre. Oh, wow. But they certainly got the start to the Boston massacre with the blowout wins on Friday and Saturday. Oh, Matt, look at Tony. He is sitting on a couch right now. Tony Gwen Jr. looks like he is stressed out. I don't know if he can hear me, though. I don't know. He's not reacting to anything I'm saying. I mean, I mean, oh, there he is. There you are. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was just listening. I was listening to your opening. My opening salvo, for the Padres in their weekend. It was a good weekend. Absolutely. A lot of offense, a lot of guys swinging a bat well. Some good pitching. That's an all-around good series. They beat a good Red Sox team that I think is overachieving, too, at this point. We're going into that series at least. Well, the Padres are no longer underachieving. You know, I mean, look, I've been begging for one stretch, Tony, just one big stretch where they win 10 out of 12 games. Well, guess what? They've won nine out of 11. So they're close to that. Yeah. And they got you that five straight, finally. Got us to five straight. We got a couple of series sweeps. And we've got a good start to this road trip with things finishing up in Texas, three games starting tomorrow. And then they'll be back home to finish things off before the all-star break, and certainly a good chance to put themselves in great position. I think what everybody wants to know, the answer to this question, and I don't think we have it, but how in the world are the Padres seemingly performing better with so many players not healthy? And that's the craziest probably thing about all of this. I guess the answer to that question is, well, Jackson Merrill is healthy, and Kyle Higashyoka is healthy. And that's enough to get the job done right now, not that they're doing it by themselves. But my goodness, Jackson Merrill is one of the hardest outs in baseball right now, Tony. Yeah, I don't think it matters how they're doing it. It's just that they're doing it. Yeah. No one needs to care about how it's happening. I tell you, the one thing that's different, and it's not Jackson Merrill, it's not Kyle Higashyoka, it's Manny Machado. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like the Manny we've grown accustomed to. And that's really the only thing that has changed in this. Jackson Merrill has been doing Jackson Merrill all season long. The same can be said for Jerry X and Profar. You know, the same can be said for a couple guys in this lineup that have been having good season, Jay Cronoworth, one of those guys. The difference is that Manny is now looking like Manny. Two Homer Day, three Homer weekend. That's Manny type stuff. I mean, he was sitting over 400 going into that game yesterday against the Red Sox. So that is the thing that has changed. And you know, you can make the argument that even before he got going, before he, before Todd, he got hurt, he had started to go. And so when you get those guys playing at their best, this is why they get paid the big bucks. Because it's a difference making thing, right? Padres have been playing 500 all season. The difference is Manny got hot. And now it's, you know, they had ran off five straight there. And so that's why they're difference makers, you know, when they get going. I feel like such a dummy. I really do. I mean, I told myself at least 45 times the first two and a half months of the season. In fact, I said it on the show probably a dozen times during the first two and a half months of the season. And that was do not worry about Manny Machado. When all is said and done, he will have his Manny Machado type season. But I got to be honest with you, Tony, I worried anyway. And, you know, when who, I mean, it was, I think that's normal though. Yeah, I know. I think that's normal. I mean, you know, he's just coming off of elbow surgery. He, you know, got back early on that. You know, when you're watching him, he didn't look right. And I would say that he started to look a lot better. You know, it's hard to really connect it. Because it's never as though he looked like he was favoring his elbow. And he certainly didn't say his elbow was hurting. But you get back that soon and about a month, a month and a half, too much earlier than what was originally projected. That's a, that's a covering a lot of time. It's not like it came back a couple of weeks early. That's a full two months early. And I think he's just, to me, when I watched it, when I've watched him here as of late, his lower half and his upper half look to be like synced up perfectly right now. And so you just hope that this is a, you know, this is, this is what we're going to see. I mean, I looked up the other day and it was like, it wasn't a surprise. But you look up, you see 270, 10 and 45. The homers and RBIs are probably a little bit behind what he normally is. But that 270 mark is his career. So, you know, if he, if this is what we're going to get the rest away, the Padres are going to continue to look the way they look. Yeah, four home runs, 12 RBIs and assuming everything else holds. Yeah, in his last 10 games hit 333, 30 for 90 in the month of June. You got to throw in that, that hip injury that he had to Tony. I mean, when he, when he had that and went down with that and you added it to his elbow woes. And then you added it to the fact that he came out in a rare article in which he actually expressed some concern himself, right? I mean, this is one of the very few times you ever hear Manny Machado say, you know, I'm missing piss. He didn't, I don't want to say he expressed concern, but he expressed frustration. That's a better word for it. Yeah. You know, so there's pitches that I'm normally get to and I'm not getting to them. And it's driving me crazy. And, you know, then pretty much after that, you know, you started seeing some two for three, some four for five, some two for four, you know, like you said, a couple of home runs, five RBIs, three RBIs, just hitting line drives going the other way, becoming a threat and, you know, the threat that we're used to seeing. So, yeah, it was a great weekend. Yeah. I mean, Jackson Merrill, another thing, Tony. I mean, this guy, I don't know why. I mean, I, I, whenever I see Fenway Park, I think back to the, the Red Sox. And, and I always think a lot about Fred Lynn. He was one of my all time favorites growing up. And I know that he's, you know, now he lives in San Diego and loved to try to track him down one day, producer. Fred Lynn, I think he'd be a great, great guest on the show. Yeah. I can let you know how to reach out if you want. Huh, tell me how to reach out. I'll reach out to Fred Lynn. I just get it. I just, those guys are hard to find, but we can find them. I know they're hard to find. I think he, I think he'd be, you know, somebody that probably wouldn't mind coming on. But, you know, 1975, I know, I've got to hear share. But this guy was going to spare you it. But now he was the rookie of the year and the MVP in the same season. Now I, I tweeted that out over the weekend. And I said, you know, Jackson Merrill is kind of making me think about Fred Lynn. A lot of people wrote back and said, you're an 80 and he was never going to be the MVP. I didn't say he's going to be the MVP. I just said what he's doing is ruining me of that season that Fred Lynn had when he was a rookie, because, you know, I mean, nine home runs in June. It's more than Tati's has ever done, more than just about anybody's ever done. And three hits yesterday and he's playing great defense. He was, he played that wall out there like he was Fred Lynn Tony at Fenway Park playing caroms perfectly, making running catches in right center field basket catches. Guy's good. That's all I got. Yeah, Jackson's, Jackson's good. I mean, that's, I don't, there's nothing new here with Jackson. Jackson's just doing, doing what Jackson does. I, he's just, he's just growing, you know, is, you know, I think when you get a chance to watch him every day, he's, he's making all the plays that he's supposed to make. And he's getting better offensively, you know, I made this point the other day. You know, Jackson's not a small dude. Like everybody is like so blown away by these homers. Jackson is the same size as Fernando Tati's junior. Like when they stand next to each other, they're the same size. So I don't know why it would be out of the realm for him to be able to hit balls the way he has. I think what is maybe surprising is how fast he's figured it out in terms of that. But Jackson is, it's not like Jackson is five, nine, you know, you know, 200 pounds. This dude is, this is long. He's lanky and, you know, he's got some, he got a little tough. Um, you know, he had nine homers in the month of, of July, every, excuse me, month of June. Can he continue to, is he going to continue to hit homers at that rate, a, a eight to nine Homer month? That's a, it's a big, it's big. Well, then if he does, that is going to finish with 39 home runs this year. If he keeps that pace up. So that might be asking a little much for him to go 39, 30, 30 installing bases. But Jax, I keep saying is Jackson, Jackson is a, was a winning player. He just, he does winning things. And so that affects obviously your team and then having a chance to win. And so, uh, he's doing great. It's just, it's just fun to watch these guys as a, as a unit. It's not, and I think that's what makes this team enjoyable offensively to watch, is that it's not like done one way. You got a bunch of different styles in the lineup, you know, from Louisa rise, which is different from pro far, which is different from Corona worth, which is different from Manny. And it's like that up and down the lineup. You get different flavors and when their offense is, is clicking like it has been the past, I don't know what we say about two weeks. Offense has been, been going pretty good. We can have, um, it's fun offense to watch. This is so much, at least for my fans, boy, there's so much better watching. I shouldn't say better. And fun is not a word. It's so much more fun to watch this year's offense versus last year's the year. It really says I've been doing this. I don't know that there's been an office. I know that 2020 year may, may pop up in terms of a fun offense to watch, but this offense I think is even, is even better to watch. Well, you're right. I mean, it starts with a rise. I mean, getting a base at almost every time up, and I know he doesn't get a base at every time up, but it just seems that way pro far such a threat right now, and has been all season. Manny is starting to become that. And then Merrill, you know, and then he got Sheoka has the month that he has. So that takes it all the way from the top, all the way down through the middle and all the way down to the bottom of the order. So there's not a, there's not a lot of, you know, place for anybody to rest out there. You know, and this is why you score 20 runs in the first two games of that series. I really, the only thing that shut them down yesterday was about three hard hit double playground balls, because it seemed like every time they're going to get a rally start, somebody hit one on the button right at a, you know, short stop or something. And that would short circuit the inning. But, you know, and Waldron, I mean, he got, he got beat by a fast ball. Devers, you know, the first one. His knuckleball was, was so crazy. They got Sheoka couldn't even catch that one. And then I give a, it was, and then I give Duran credit, because he had a knuckle ball out of the ballpark. Maybe that one didn't knuckle as much as the others. But for somebody to square up one of those, I got to get him a lot of credit on that home run. And, you know, he was the toughest out all, he was the toughest out all series. There at the rank, he could play, man. Yeah. Lefty could go get it in center. I just, he was impressive. And he didn't really do much. He was the one, I mean, they kept him pretty quiet. But yeah, Waldron yesterday was one of the first instances. He didn't have like either of them working to, like nothing, working like to his ability. Like usually the knuckleball's not working. He go to that, he go to that sweep or he go to that fast ball. He's command, he wasn't really commanding any of it with his, like at the type of way he needed to. And, you know, he had to go to the fast ball in the one case, they hit the homer. I think, I think it was a sweeper that they, uh, scored on. They got to hit on that score runs on. And then obviously the, the one knuckle, one of the knuckle balls that didn't do much Duran hit out. But yeah, I mean, even with that being said, he didn't pitch horribly. No, that's what I was going to say. If what was a 70, it was a 75 pitches or something like that. Yeah. I mean, it was four to, four to nothing when he left the game. That's not game over. You know, like I said, if that's going to be his bad performance, you know, I'm almost take that. So, um, look, everything, everything's thumbs up right now for the Padres and, uh, you know, 46 and 42, uh, you can't rest, a lot of work to do. But for now, uh, things look pretty, pretty good. I, I, there's one last thing about Jackson Merrill, because I talked about his defense. And I, I'm not going to get into the analytics of all of this defense, but I am going to tell you that he's leading the league in games played in center field. So he's been out there more than anybody, uh, as a center fielder. Uh, part of that is because the Padres have played all those games. Uh, he's second in put outs means he's caught more balls than everybody, but one other player in the league. He's, uh, only committed two errors all season, uh, for a brand new position, you know, and, and a lot of times you get an air in center fielder. As a center fielder, Tony, just throwing the ball back into the infield, it bounces off a, a leg somewhere and rolls away. And you get a throwing air. So he's only got two Es. And just on top of that, he's turned four double plays, which leads center fielders. I'm not giving him the gold glove, but what I am saying is. The guys are first, you are. No, what I'm saying is we put him out there in center field, and we were really worried that he wouldn't know what to do out there. And that's turned out to be ridiculous. Cause he's been, you know, once the last time the ball got hit the center field, and anybody was worried about it. There you go. Remember I can't even, I mean, I'm not giving him the gold glove though. Cause I can't say, oh, okay, well, fine. Give him the gold glove then and give it a Fernando and give it to. And put them all on the all start team while you're at it. Some of you guys may have been wondering why I had my hands on my, on my forehead like that. I was free. Yes. It was me. Yeah, Portugal, Portugal had a penalty kick. And Mr. Ronaldo got it blocked and he's having a rough day. Man is in tears right now. So, oh, zero, zero, zero. It's so smart to hear that. Oh man, he's, he's crying. Yeah, no, wow. Christian. Oh, crying in sports. A lot of it, pal. That's okay. Cool. We're just getting, we're just getting started here, buddy. It'll be okay. We, as usual, have rolled past our starting point. It's okay. I just wanted to point it out tonight. Well, then let's stop the segment right now before it's too late. Gwen and Chris is underway for a Monday, full four hours to sit backwards, kind of easing into things. Tell you what's coming up when we come back. Is your child struggling with a specific subject or need help with homework? Are they asking questions that you're not sure you can fully answer? IXL Learning is an online learning program for kids. It covers math, language arts, science, and social studies. IXL is designed. 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It was starting tomorrow, three games at first time in this new ballpark for myself and Jesse. We didn't get to come in 2020. This is the COVID year, right? This is where, correct me, I'm wrong. This is where Slam, Diego was born. Yes, it was. It started in Texas. All right. Well, it was, no, is that not another way? The definition was boring, boring, I wasn't asking, I was asking more question, more than just saying like a statement. It was the Rangers, it was the Rangers because that was when Fernando hit the 3-0. Oh, and this is when his name was Chris, Chris. My man would, he had the backtrack after he came out. I don't know if he backtracked, but the baseball world backtracked on him quick because it was like people were all upset that Toddy, what was he? Swan 3-0, I think it was. Six run game, seven run game, and like overnight it changed. It felt like everybody was mad to like, we all went to bed and woke up the next day, and everybody was mad at Chris the following day. He was the manager for the Rangers. Oh, I thought you were talking about this quarter, some reason. No, Woodward. You should assume they were mad at me because that's a normal reaction is what you were thinking about. They all, the fans kind of, everybody, this is when the whole idea of let the kids play, I felt like really started to bubble at this point. I also, this is where a lot of the baseball lines I felt like are they, no not the baseball lines, the unwritten rules really started to get put under the microscope in 2020, I felt like. Now, mentioning Eric Cosmer is a sin on the station and the show, but his podcast, they talked about all of this. Jayce Tingler and that, I'm just going to say go listen to his podcast for the full story, but it sounds like that was a turning point in that clubhouse between the players and Jayce Tingler, just because Jayce didn't have their back. Jayce said that Fernando Tetis, Jr., owned an apology basically. I think he did without saying so. You know, it's interesting, Tony, we talked about this very thing also on the round table the other day and Ben Higgins brought up the fact that you could say that the Padres are kind of responsible for a lot of the new way that baseball has become. I don't want to take all of the credit here, but it was Fernando that swung at the 3-0 pitch. And now I think if somebody swings into 3-0 pitch and it's a grand slam, I don't really even know that anybody even makes mention of it. But back then, it was a controversial type of a thing. The other thing that the Padres, I think, did back around that time. And again, I think Fernando was at the center of this, was the swag chain whenever you had a home run. Now we don't even think twice about it when somebody comes into a dugout after a home run and they roll him down the way in a shopping cart, or they put a halo on his head, or they-- Or the samurai. Or he carries a triton around. I mean, the optic, in my mind, of Mickey Mantle being pushed down the Yankee Stadium dug out in a shopping cart while carrying a triton after he hits a home run is pretty laughable. But, you know, that was then this is now. And first, the Padres were kind of at the start of some of that. First, I know we'd like to believe that we were at the start of the whole 3-0 swinging. It just remember how that went down. Nobody was watching anything at that point. Toddy was like the hottest thing going in sports at the time. So everybody was paying a lot closer attention. And I think part of why that being as big as it was was because Jay's handled it initially like he did. You know, guys had swung 3-0 long before Toddy had. And there had been ramifications because typically, for being honest, everybody kind of agreed, you know, it was the wrong thing to do. So it never became a story. In this case, like I said, we went to bed thinking one thing, the following day we woke up and it was a completely different thing. And that's what made the story a little bit bigger. But I will say we definitely started the swag chain. I don't know that people have the fondest memories of the swag chain after a while because it seemed like it's also connected with, you know, some bad times as well. But you're right. Padres were like the first to go like all in on the swag chains because the swag chains are really were only the football thing. I think Padres were the first to bring it to baseball. That's where it started. You're right. Turn over chainers. Turn over chain chain. And then that became a turnover or whatever. But yeah, I mean, if it wasn't for the pod, I mean, because every team now has their own. They got their own little for sure. Now in the dugout and that never happened before. So Fernando Taty Jr., he's a game changer. The swag chain is interesting because it is a prop that it doesn't work if you're losing a lot. I remember if you're one of the Rockies do when they hit a home run, just kind of sink into the desert and hope nobody notices. I mean, early in the season is cool. But like if you're like losing still as you get into August, and you're down five nothing and you hit a homer, it's just kind of weird to come in there spinning the chain and you're down five one still. I didn't think that's-- Believe me. That ended up being show about that. Yeah, that ended up kind of working itself out as time went on. But man, that 2020 was kind of crazy. I mean, there was nothing popping, but like baseball, like empty. Do you guys remember-- Do I need to bring up the cardboard cutouts? I mean-- Fernando, I believe-- Destroyed one of those on one of the homeruns he had in Texas. It like took that off. He did, I think he decapitated one. He did, you're right. He, you're right. Yeah, but that was-- It all comes back to that series in Texas though, where all of this stuff kind of started. Slam, Diego, was definitely born. And that was where they played the Dodger series in the playoffs. And that was also where Rob Manfred-- Going to see him score. How do you feel? Why did I bring that up? And Scravey's going to be talking like this the rest of the day. He's never going to live that down at this show. Not on the show, he's not now. Going back to Texas. Lesa, we are back in Texas. Padre's looking to keep the good times rolling. I didn't even get to give you some of the Manny Machado and Hassan, Cam and Jackson, Merrell numbers, because we got sidetracked. But anyway, we need to get to break Charlie Hoffman, PGA Tour Vent. Looks to join the show here on the other side. So let's get to break full four with myself, Chris Elo, and match Scravey here on "Bwin and Chris." The show is underway. "Bwin and Chris" 239 is the time. Welcome back to it, Chris Elo. I got the crazy soccer fan on the other end of the phone here in Dallas. Tony Gwen Jr. is watching a, what is it, a penalty kick? Match it? Yes, Euro 2024, round of 16. Bernardo about to take his PK slitherstep. Ooh, nailed it. One, Neil. Portugal's playing, who are they? They're playing, I think it's Slovenia. Slovenia? Oh, I think so. Good old Slovenia. All right. Is that SVN? Yes. I don't know that. He asking me these things. I don't even know the penalty kicks. Just know you kick it and try and put it in there. I don't know how the whole thing goes. I was asking about the abbreviation of Slovenia. I know, I know it's Slovenia. It's Slovenia. All right. They just put the whole thing up. So Slovenia and Portugal, you won't miss the outcome. Tony is all over that. Gwen and Chris, it's a very quiet day in baseball. Actually, only three games the whole day. Astro's just sent Josh Hader to the mound in Toronto. Trying to protect a three-nothing lead over the Blue Jays. Nice to see that Josh Hader is available today. Apparently a rain out forced him, a rain delay forced him from participating yesterday in the war. He warmed up too much. All right. Well, we'll leave Josh Hader alone for now. That this man live. He's not here anymore. He's not here anymore. Our guy Charlie Hoffman is here though. And we just love it when Charlie comes on the show. PGA Golf Tour, professional. Power zone. And nice enough to spend a little time with us here on this Monday afternoon. Charlie, how you been? Good to talk to you, sir. All good. Enjoying a nice week off here in sunny San Diego. Nice to see the June gloom sort of go away. June gloom has gone away. We've also, yeah, we've given way to July 1st. First of all, I want to ask about this tournament yesterday. If you saw this, the Rocket Mortgage Tournament in Detroit. And as a professional golfer, you probably have a feeling like no other one. You see something like this happen. Akshay Batia, is it? And he's got a 30-foot spot. Needs a two-put to force a playoff. And then the second putt was what? Four-foot, three-four-footer and it lipped out. Cam Davis gets the win. Cam Davis even said he wouldn't wish that on anybody, even though he was the winner. How much pain is that for some? I mean, I don't know that the guy sleeps for a month after missing that one. Well, if you played golf long enough, we've all been there. Akshay is obviously one of our younger, brighter stars on the PGA Tour. And he played some phenomenal golf. But I happen to catch literally maybe the last hole or two of that golf tournament. I was down, hanging out with the family down by the beach. But you know what? It's one of those the guys who played so amazing. Had to have three putt all week and then nothing. All I have to do is two putt because that first putt was, that TV doesn't do justice on that green. How much undulation there is on that green. So the putt he missed wasn't a needy putt now. He should have probably, that first putt should have been a little bit closer. But it's one of those. You want to win golf tournaments, you never want to lose them. I've lost them, I've won some. But he's obviously going to be kicking himself because he played some amazing golf. And he didn't get a chance to go a few extra holes with Cam. Cam with the beneficiary of it. I feel like every time we have you on, especially lately, we've had to ask like, you know, kind of tough golf questions, state of golf. So I'll start a little different this time. Padre's playing some good baseball. Are you following them right now? How are you feeling as a Padre fan watching this team? Play some better baseball. I took the family to a game a few weeks ago against Oakland. And it was a blast, and they won in a walk-off fashion. It was one of those walk-off wins. And it was fun to be part of. And then they went on their losing streak. They went on the run when they were losing streak. And they got some fire afterwards. So to say the least, I try to stay engaged via being on the East Coast and doing playing golf or living, I don't rarely catch live games. But it's fun to watch them play some decent baseball. And hopefully get a run for the playoffs. Because I think our team's breathing good. It's, I think, got the power to go a long distance in the playoffs. Charlie Hoffman, our guy on the PGA Tour, our guest here on Gwen and Chris. And Charlie, I mean, follow up with another short putt question. Well, you guys missed it, Portugal just won. Oh, thank you. I'm sweating it out. I need to get to my seat here. Got both of you guys watching this Portugal soccer thing. I couldn't find it on TV in the break. Yes, gravy couldn't find it on our TV. He doesn't know where it is. So wow, thank you, Charlie, for the update. And Portugal is thankfully through to the Euro quarter finals. That is great news. That is great news. But I'm going to ask you about another short putt. And that's Rory at the US Open. And I know we, I don't know, maybe we like to try to make Rory out to be the bad guy. But did he owe it to us? You know, we're there, the media I'm talking about. We're there when he wins, we're there, you know, when things happen. You know, he missed it. I can totally get how frustrating it had to be. But was that the right move or do you understand him kind of just getting out of there and heading for the hills after that US Open? I'm trying to figure out a way to answer this question without becoming some sort of bilateral sensation. There's a period of time where he couldn't keep the mic out of Rory's mouth about what he wanted to talk to her in the state of golf in the PJ tour. And then when the, I would say the most candid time in someone's life, when you should answer those questions because there's a reason why we're making millions of dollars in this because of media. And yes, he does owe it to the fans. And yes, he does need to do that interview. Like I said, I've never lost the US Open. I've lost golf tournaments, but yeah, you do owe it to everybody to do that. And that's just part of the gig is to answer the hard questions and the hard times. And that's why people tune in to watch. And that's how you have fans and why you have fans. And unfortunately, he did not do that. I'm sure if I talked to him or someone else talked to him, we probably wish he had a mulligan on that and had a redo. But yeah, I think he should answer those questions in a question. Certainly wasn't the first guy who's ever lost a big tournament like in the fashion that he did. And at least in my recollection, all of them stood in front of those cameras afterwards. It was a little disappointed to see it go down like that. But, you know, Charlie, I got to ask you in terms of, you know, the PGA live. Where are we at with the state of the PGA right now? You know, Bryson DeChamble wins that U.S. open, obviously on the live roster. Does that matter? Where are we at the state of PGA? Let's start there. Yeah, we'll go back one second. When media is, I will say, of the person, not of Rory's revenue, is nearly 70% of the person is our media contract. You owe it to the media to do it back to what he should have done. So, you got to know where you're, where you're getting fed from. So, but, but on the note of the live in the PGA tour, thank God since Jan 1, I've been off the board and I thought it was good, easier for these guys once, once everything was going on. But it seems to be just getting harder and harder. But I know they're in, obviously, I know as much as probably you guys know, as a media knows, they're in discussion. There is talking going on, which I believe in when I slowed down a lot of last year. Obviously, there's not much to report on in the last year. But we have a great partner with SSG, which is enabling us to, I would say, hopefully partner with PIP and come up with the strategic plan to be partners going forward because I think if you break it all down, what's best for the game of golf? In the world is for all of us to be together and play under one umbrella and not be separate, separate identities. So, where are we at with that? I don't know, but I think after the period of time that lives going on in producing a product, there's not a lot of, I mean, it's gaining momentum, but not a ton of momentum. The major championships, I personally think, have gained from them. They could argue that they lose some of those live players, because not a world ranking points and so on and so forth. But their top players are playing the majors. And it gives the spike to the major championships. It's already had the spike. I mean, people want to watch us all play together. So, more people are even tuning in, I would say, in general, through the game of golf, during the major championships. Our ratings are pretty stagnant, not going up, not going down. I would say for the most part, but it's something that to gain our fans back and the loyalty of our fans, I think we sort of need to be together and put the best product out there for you guys to watch. We were entertainers. I mean, we're competitors, but I mean, the reason why we make my mean, we're all competitors, but the reason why we're playing for the millions of dollars is because of the fans watching it and the engagement that we have with him. And I mean, what Price did was a riveting with the fans. I mean, he sort of turned over a whole new leaf from when he was on the PJ Tour to live tour. And he's engaged probably more than anybody on the PJ Tour right now. Now, it was great to watch him embrace all the fans and do what he did and show them what he showed. And I'm a golf fan also. I'm a player, but I'm a fan. And it was great to watch. And obviously, like he said, even once he really missed a three footer and went it that way. But Bryson went out and won that golf tournament. He got up and down from Ford and probably the hardest, if he has every professional golfer, the hardest shot in all the golf is a 50 yard bunker shot. And he stuffed the six feet in US Open Conditions and US Open Pressure. You got to take your hat off to that and say, well done, Bryson. And then the way he answered the questions and his interviews were great. So I guarantee Bryson all of a sudden earned a lot more fans because of that performance than Rory did. That's for sure. Yeah. Scrabby's been a Bryson hater for a long time. Thanks, Chris. It was coming along. And a Rory lover to it. And a Rory lover. Yeah, we're going to get a weird spot. We're going to flip top you here. As you should, Charlie Hoffman is with us. Charlie's had a couple of top 10s this year on tour. And, you know, I mean, again, I think that's remarkable. I, you know, you're been in the game for so long, Charlie. I mean, 47 years old is, you know, that's, it's. I'm old. Yeah, you're still young man, as far as some of us are concerned, but to finish. In the game, in the game of professional sports, I'm old. I mean, now in the game of life, I'm not in the game of professional sports. There's no doubt in professional sports. And I mean, to have two top 10s. And you talked about, you just wanted to be healthy. You just wanted to feel good. Where are we here as we hit the midway point of the sea? I mean, are you still holding up good? I'm holding up good. My team that I established through trainers, chiropractors, swing instructors, we're all kicking on all cylinders, everything, everything is great. It's actually a, it's been good traveling. Uh, it's usually my hardest part. I think we figured something out with some new gadgets while I fly to keep sort of the blood flow going and everything going. And it's really worked out as of late. So I feel healthy. I mean, it's just life in general. I mean, I was out on the water this morning, on the jet ski with my daughter, wakeboarding and no pain. Usually sitting down, pain going over bumps is pain. Zero pain whatsoever. I feel great. I, now that could change tomorrow night because I've been through this before, but as of right this second, everything is great. And I'm looking forward to going on. I took this week off the sort of strategically hanging out with the family. As I say, you can't buy memories and you got to make them. So it's been in time with the family during the summer here in San Diego. I'm trying to take, trying to play golf competitively, but most importantly, make sure my kids remember me and have a great time during the summers when we can spend some time together. Yeah. Well, we really appreciate you taking some time out to hang out with us. Don't pull a muscle answering this last question. Charlie, but I am playing Tori Pines for the first time ever on Friday. And I'm, I got to be honest. I mean, I'm pretty freaked out about it. Freaked out. I am. I don't want to play. It's a golf course. Yeah. Well, but you've seen me on, you know, certain courses, things don't always go my way. I mean, I'm, you know, I think I'm good enough to play a little over bogey golf, but just give me anything I can take with me out to the course Friday, Charlie. I'll, it'll be forever appreciated. You know, Tori, Tori, you play in the south, I assume. Yes, we are. Yeah, we are. The south golf course is the use of a caliber golf course. Now the rough, I assume not going to be up. I haven't been out there since January or February. So what do you want to do, Tori? It's actually not that demanding the golf course off the tee, I would say. I mean, it's a long golf course. So if you play the correct tee, so don't, you don't need to play all the way back and make a play, whatever, 7,500 yards, whatever it is. Just go out and play the correct tee. But most importantly, the greens are, the greens are structured. Very hard to almost repel balls and like the back, little shelf, hit the center of the green. Don't, don't worry about where that pen is and try to, try to make a putt from the center of the green, because getting up and down around those greens is sometimes challenging. So I wouldn't try to challenge those pens too much. You can try to hit those center of the greens and hopefully make a couple long cuts for Birdie. Ah, man, I'm so, I made a long one today and I think that used it up for the week. Can you explain Brogie golf? Now that you have a professional golfer. Hold on, you made a long cut, you made a long cut, used it for the week or the year. Maybe the year, this one was long enough to baby and use it for the year. I think you're right, Charlie. Yeah, Matt gets mad at me because I, in my head, I play Bogey golf. So I, I add a, I add a stroke to every hole. And if I get a Bogey, then I call it a par in my head. I say that's not a thing. Matt gets mad at me for doing that, but I don't know. That's how I make my way around the course. So I don't know what your thoughts on that are, but. Your thoughts are whatever you, you know your handicap and that's what's great about the game of golf is if you keep a valid handicap, I could go give you a extra amount of shots and we could have a great competition. That's what's great about, if you're relevant, what par is for someone I would say average golf first, but if you keep, if you actually keep score, you can have a great round or great competition with anybody, no matter what their hand, I mean, I like the game with the guys on the golf course. And I've had some of my best matches against the 17, 14 handicap, because guess what? They're getting a shot on every single hole and I've got to play my butt off. They make a par, it's a birdie, they make a birdie, it's an eagle. And so I really enjoy those, sometimes those competitions amongst friends that are getting a ton of strokes, they make me sort of, I mean, every shot means something because if you make a par, I've got to make a birdie, but so your thought process is fine, but I would challenge you to maybe try to make some par for birdies, not just bogeys for paris. I challenge one of these days, one of these days, maybe not Friday, but maybe the next time after that. Charlie, thanks so much for joining us. Have a great happy 4th of July and you know, you're welcome anytime. So you're, you know, you want to check in, just give us a call. We'd love to have you on and good luck. Enjoy the week with your family. Thanks, fellow. Enjoy the fourth. Awesome. We'll talk soon. There he goes. All right. Thanks. Charlie Hoffman right there. 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Listen to and follow from the heart with Rachel Braithin on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] The show is underway. Gwen and Chris 239 is the time. Welcome back to it, Chris Hello. I got the crazy soccer fan on the other end of the phone here in Dallas. Tony Gwen Jr. is watching a what is it a penalty kick? Matches? Yes, Euro 2024, round of 16, Bernardo about to take his PK slatter step. Ooh, nailed it. One, Neil. Portugal. Portugal's playing, who are they? They're playing, I think it's Slovenia. Slovenia? Oh, I think so. Good old Slovenia. All right, so... Is that SVN? Yes. I don't know. Yeah. He asked me anything. I didn't know the penalty kick. There's no you kick it and try and put it in there. I don't know. I was actually about the abbreviation of Slovenia. I know, I know it's Slovenia. It's Slovenia. All right. They just put the whole thing up. Slovenia and Portugal, you won't miss the outcome. Tony is all over that. Gwen and Chris, it's a very quiet day in baseball. Actually, only three games the whole day. Astro's just sent Josh Hader to the mound in Toronto, trying to protect a three nothing lead over the Blue Jays. Nice to see that Josh Hader is available today. Apparently a rain out forced him a rain delay forced him from participating yesterday and he warmed up too much. All right. Well, we'll leave Josh Hader alone for now. Let this man live. He's not here anymore. He's not here anymore. Our guy Charlie Hoffman is here though and we just love it when Charlie comes on the show, PGA golf tour professional, Poway zone and you know, nice enough to spend a little time with us here on this Monday afternoon. Charlie, how you been? Good to talk to you, sir. All good. Enjoying a nice week off here in sunny San Diego. Nice to see the June gloom sort of go away. June gloom has gone away. We've also, yeah, we've given way to July 1st. And first of all, I want to ask you about this tournament yesterday. If you saw this, the rocket mortgage tournament in Detroit and you know, as a professional golfer, you probably have a feeling like no other when you see something like this happen. Akshay Batia, is it? And he's got a 30 foot spot needs a two putt to force a play off. And then the second putt was what? Four foot, three four footer and a lipped out. Cam Davis gets the win. Cam Davis even said he wouldn't wish that on anybody, even though he was the winner. How much pain is that for some? I mean, I don't know that the guy sleeps for a month after missing that one. Well, if you play golf long enough, we've all been there. Akshay is obviously one of our younger brighter stars on the PK tour. And he played some phenomenal golf. But I happened to catch it literally maybe the last hole or two back off there. And I was down, hanging out with the family down by the beach. But you know what? It's one of those, the guy who played so amazing, had to have three putt all week and then nothing. All he has to do is two putt because that first putt was, the TV doesn't do justice on that, that green, how much undulation there is on that green. So the putt he missed wasn't an easy putt. Now, he should have probably, that first putt should have been a little bit closer. But it's one of those. You don't, you don't, you want to win golf tournaments, you never want to lose them. I've lost them, I've won some. But he, he, he's obviously going to be kicking himself because he played some amazing golf. And he didn't get a chance to go a few extra holes with Cam and Cam with the beneficiary of it. Charlie, I feel like every time we have you on, especially lately, we've had to ask like, you know, kind of tough golf questions, state of golf. So I'll start a little different this time. Padres playing some good baseball. Are you following them right now? How you feeling as a Padres fan watching this team play some better? You know, I took the family to a game a few weeks ago against Oakland, and it was a blast. And they won in a walkoff fashion. It was one of the walkoff wins. And it was, it was fun to be part of. And then they went on their losing streak. They went on the run when they were losing, so to say the least, I try to, I try to stay engaged via being on the East Coast and doing doing playing golf or living. I don't really catch live games, but it's fun to watch them play some some decent baseball. And hopefully, I get a run for the playoff because I think our team's freezing good. And it's a, I think got the power to go go a long distance in the playoffs. Charlie Hoffman, our guy on the PGA tour, our guest here on Gwen and Chris and Charlie, I mean, follow up with another short putt question. You guys, you guys missed the Portugal this one. Oh, thank you. You guys watching this Portugal soccer thing. I couldn't find it on TV in the brain. Yes. Gravy couldn't find it on our TV. He doesn't know where it is. So, wow, thank you Charlie for the update. And Portugal is thankfully through to the Euro quarter finals. That is great news. That is great news. But I'm going to ask you about another short putt putt and that's Rory at the US Open. And I know we, I don't know, maybe we like to, to try to make Rory out to be the bad guy. But did he owe it to us? You know, we're there the media I'm talking about. We're there when he wins. We're there, you know, when things happen. You know, he missed it. I can totally get how frustrating it had to be. But was that the right move or do you understand him kind of just getting out of there and heading for the hills after that US Open? I'm trying to figure out a way to answer this question without become some sort of Bible sensation. There's a period of time where you couldn't keep the mic out of Rory's mouth about what he wanted to talk to her in the state of golf and the PJ tour. And then when the, I would say the most candid time in someone's life when you should answer those questions because there's a reason why we're making millions of dollars in this because of media. And yes, he does owe it to the fans. And yes, he does need to do that interview. We've, like I said, I've never lost the US Open. I've lost golf tournaments. But yeah, you do, you do, you owe it to everybody to do that. And that's just part of the gig is to answer the hard questions and the hard times. And that's why people tune in to watch. And that's how you, that's how you have fans and why you have fans. And, and unfortunately he did not do that. I'm sure if you, if I talk to him or someone else talk to him, we probably wish he had a mulligan on that and had a redo. But yeah, I think he should have answered those questions in a question. Fair enough. Certainly. Wasn't the first guy who's ever lost a big tournament like in the fashion that he did. And at least in my recollection, all of them stood in front of those cameras afterwards. It was a little disappointed to see it go down like that. But you know, Charlie, I got to ask you in terms of, you know, the PGA live, where are we at with the state of the PGA right now, you know, Bryson DeChamble wins that US Open, obviously on the live roster. Does that matter? Where are we at the state of PGA? Let's start there. Yeah, we'll go back one second. When, when media is, I will say of the purses, not of Rory's revenue is nearly 70% of the purses is our media contract. You owe it to the media to do it back to what he should have done. So you got to know where you're, where we're getting fed from. So, but, but on the note of the live in the PGA tour, thank God since Jan 1, I've been off the board and I thought it was good easier for these guys once, once everything was going on. But it seems to be just getting harder and harder. But I know they're in, obviously, I know as much as probably you guys know as a media knows, they're in discussion. There is talking going on, which I believe in what I slowed down a lot of last year. You know, obviously there was not much report on the last year, but we have a great partner with SSG, which is enabling us to, I would say hopefully partner with PIP and come up with the strategic plan to be partners going forward because I think if you break it all down, what's best for the game of golf? In the world is for all of us to be together and play under one umbrella and not be separate, separate identities. So, where are we at with that? I don't know. But I think, I think after the period of time that lives going on in producing a product, there's not a lot of, I mean, it's gaining momentum, but not a ton of momentum. The major championships, I personally think, have gained from them. They could argue that they lose some of those live players because not a world ranking points and so on and so forth, but their top players are playing the majors. And it gives the spike to the major championship, has already had the spike. I mean, people want to watch us all play together. So, more people are even tuning in, I would say, in general, for the game of golf during the major championships. Our ratings are pretty stagnant, not going up, not going down, I would say, for the most part, but it's something that to gain our fans back and the loyalty of our fans, I think we sort of need to be together and give the best product out there for you guys to watch. We were entertainers. I mean, we're competitors, but I mean, the reason why we make my, I mean, we're all competitors, but the reason why we're playing for the millions of dollars is because of the fans watching it and the engagement that we have with them. And I mean, what Price did was the riveting with the fans. I mean, he sort of turned over a whole new leaf from when he was on the PGA Tour to live tour. And he's engaged probably more than anybody on the PGA Tour right now. It was great to watch him embrace all the fans and do what he did and show them the emotion he showed. And I'm a golf fan also. I'm a player, but I'm a fan. And it was great to watch. And obviously, like you said, even once he really missed a three foot on him, he went it that way. But Price went out and won that golf tournament. He got it up and down from Ford and probably the hardest, if you ask every professional golfer, the hardest shot in all the golf is a 50 yard bunker shot. And he stuffed the six feet in U.S. Open Conditions in U.S. Open Pressure. You got to take your hat off to that and say, well done, Price. And then then when he answered the questions and his interviews, we're great. So I guarantee Bryce and all of a sudden earned a lot more fans because of that performance than Rory did. That's for sure. Yeah. Scrabby's been a Bryce and Hader for a long time. Thanks Chris. Thanks Chris. Who's coming along in a Rory Lover to say Rory Lover. Yeah, we're gonna talk in a weird spot. We're gonna flop you here as you should. Charlie Hoffman is with us. Charlie's got a couple of top 10s this year on tour. And, you know, I mean, again, I think that's remarkable. I, you know, you're you've been in the game for so long, Charlie. I mean, 47 years old is, you know, that's it's a mole. Yeah. You're still a man as far as some of us are concerned, but to finish the game in the game of professional sports. I mean, you know, there's no game of life. I'm not there's no doubt in professional sports. And I mean, to have two top 10s, and you talked about you just wanted to be healthy. You just wanted to feel good. Where are we here as we hit the midway point of the sea? I mean, are you still holding up good? I'm holding up good. My team that I established through trainers, chiropractors, swing instructors, we're all kicking on all cylinders, everything, everything is great. It's actually a it's been good traveling. It's usually my hardest part. I think we figured something out with some new gadgets while I fly to keep sort of the blood flow going and everything going. And it's really worked out as of late. So I feel healthy. I mean, there's just life in general. I mean, I was out on the water this morning on the jet ski with my daughter wakeboarding and no pain usually sitting down pain going over bumps, this pain, zero pain whatsoever. I feel great. I now that could change tomorrow night because I've been through this before, but as of right this second, everything is great. And I'm looking forward to going on. I took this week off a sort of strategically hanging out with the family. And as I say, you can't buy memories. And you got to make them. So it's been a time with the family during the summer here in San Diego. I'm trying to take trying to play golf competitively, but most importantly, make sure my kids remember me and have a great time during the summers when we can spend some time together. Yeah. Well, we really appreciate you taking some time out to hang out with us. Don't pull a muscle answering this last question, Charlie, but I am playing Tory Pines for the first time ever on Friday. And I'm, I got to be honest, I mean, I'm pretty freaked out about it. Freaked out. I am. I don't want to. It's a golf course. Yeah. Well, but you've seen me on, you know, certain courses, things don't always go my way. I mean, I'm, you know, I think I'm good enough to play a little over bogey golf, but just give me anything I can take with me out to the course Friday, Charlie. I'll, it'll be forever appreciated. You know, Tory, Tory, you're playing the south, I assume. Yes, we are. Yeah. Yeah, we are. The south golf course is a use open caliber golf course. Now the rough, I assume not going to be up. I haven't been out there since January, February. So it, what do you want to do at Tory? It's actually not that demanding the golf course off the tee, I would say. I mean, it's a long golf course. So if you play the correct tee, so don't, you don't need to play all the way back and make a play. No, over 7,500 yards, whether, whatever it is, just go out and play the correct tee. But most importantly, the greens are, the greens are structured very hard to almost repel balls and like those backs, little shelves. Hit the center of the green. Don't, don't worry about where that pin is and try to, try to make a putt from the center of the green because getting up and down around those greens is sometimes challenging. So I wouldn't try to challenge those pins too much and just try to hit the center of the greens and hopefully make a couple long putts for birdie. Ah, man, I'm so, I made a long one today and I think that used it up for the week. I'm a little worried about that. Can you explain, Brogy golf? Now that we have a professional golfer. Hold on, you made a long putt using it for the week or the year? I'm not. Maybe the year. This one was long enough to maybe use it for the year. I think you're right, Charlie. Yeah, Matt gets mad at me because I, in my head, I play Bogey golf. So I, I add a, I add a stroke to every hole. And if I get a bogey, then I call it a par in my head. I say that's not a thing. Matt gets mad at me for doing that, but I don't know. That's how I make my way around the course. So I don't know what your thoughts on that are, but. Your thoughts are whatever you, you know your handicap and that's what's great about the game of golf is if you keep a valid handicap, I could go give you an extra amount of shots and we could have a great competition. That's what's great about. If you relevant, what par is for someone, I would say average golfers, but if you keep, if you actually keep score, you can have a great round of great competition with anybody. No matter what their hand, I mean, I like the game of those guys on the golf course and I've had some of my best matches against the a 17, a 14 handicap because guess what? They're getting a shot on every single hole and I've got to play my butt off. They make a part of birdie. They make a birdie, it's an eagle. So I, I really enjoy those, sometimes those, those competitions and amongst friends that are getting a ton of strokes through the making sort of, I mean, every shot means something because if you make a par, I've got to make a birdie. But so your thought process is fine, but I would, I would challenge you to maybe try to make some par for birdies, not just bogeys for parce. Yes. One of these days, one of these days, one of these days, maybe not Friday, but maybe the next time after that. Charlie, thanks so much for joining us. Have a great, happy 4th of July and you know, you're welcome anytime. So you're, you know, you want to check in, just give us a call. We'd love to have you on and good luck. Enjoy the week with your family. Thanks, fellow. Enjoy the 4th also and we'll talk soon. There he goes. All right. Thanks. Charlie Hoffman right there. Our PGA tour guy talking, talking some golf and, you know, some pointed comments, but fair. About Rory McElroy or anything. You know, I like that. I love having Charlie on. I love having Charlie on because he even though he may not be comfortable answering questions. He always answers. He does. And what he says gives a good answer to. What he said about Rory was spot on. I mean, yeah, now it's up to you to tweet that out so he gets in the maximum amount of trouble. No, he said he was trying not to. He was going to answer in a way that wouldn't create viral sensation. That's what he said. Charlie Hoffman trashes Rory McElroy on radio show. You could do that. You won't do that, but you could. He, are you going to adjust your bogey golf now? No, he said he's challenging me to be better, which is what I don't challenge myself to be better. But in the meantime, you know, it sounds better to be plus two, plus 22. I'm going to, I'm going to tech. I feel like we're at this point now where I could text him and ask him if we could play golf in the off season. That's three together. So, and Charlie, of course, three are you and Charlie and him, me, you, Tony, Charlie. God, there we go. Daily Give It Next. Is your child struggling with a specific subject or need help with homework? Are they asking questions that you're not sure you can fully answer? IXL Learning is an online learning program for kids. It covers math, language arts, science, and social studies. IXL is designed. This program will improve your kids' grades. Studies done in almost every state in the country. 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