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Tips for Round 20 with Paul Hasleby - Ash & Goss (26/07/2024)
[MUSIC] I can't lose from here surely. Car, to Paul Wack, free mantle, have won a classic. Paul Hazelby with the winning goal, free mantle win, the best ever derby. >> The best ever derby. We had this discussion a few times and Mark Duffield's favorite as well. Paul Hazelby joins me. I don't think we're going to get to that stage tomorrow night. Paul Hazelby, good to have you on the show. Good morning. >> Hey, good day, Ash, Tim. Great to be with you. Yeah, my favorite derby as well. What a good ending to that one, but who knows? Go back fast forward to what happened in round six. The West Coast things were pretty good. I know a lot has changed, but you just never know. And this is a pretty experienced West Coast side that they've done. >> We're talking footy with Hayes. So thanks to Sonos Experience Game Changing down this season with Sonos Hayes. As you know, earlier in the week, I threw up the Ken Hinckley when I was threw it up on Sunday and then we backed over it again on Monday. That Ken Hinckley had certainly come into commission at the West Coast Eagles as a contender that they want to speak to. Ken Hinckley spoke about it at his press conference yesterday. >> Five games in our season, hopefully in more delay. And it's really clear about one thing is that I'm coaching Port Adelaide, and I love coaching Port Adelaide. I have a contract to continue to coach Port Adelaide. >> What do you think of that, Hayes? >> Well, I wonder what you did to Josh Carr. I had a fair crack at your work when he was interviewed as well. But yeah, no, I don't doubt your story. There's no doubt that West Coast would have some interest in Ken Hinckley, but that's the right way to answer it. I think that's all it is. Interest from their part, is he going to entertain it? I just can't see a situation where he can entertain it, given the amount of investment he's put into that football club. And they're right in the mix from final this year that unless West Coast put everything on hold until the end of Port Adelaide's campaign, I just can't see that he will take those sort of meetings and go through the process, which they need to go through. I think they need a process, as I said, unless they just want to give him the job. And then they probably have to tell everybody else. And it just makes it difficult, I think. So I can't see it happening, but it doesn't say that there's no interest. >> Yeah, but you talk about going through the process, Hayes, but every coach is in the system at the moment. Every coach is in the senior coach. So I mean, basically, West Coast Eagles can't interview anybody until the season's over for the respective clubs, which is what I said about Dean Cox, which I said, this is why the Dean Cox situation was awkward. Because if Dean was going to commit and they were going to go after Dean Cox, he was going to have to step away from Sydney. Because you can't be coaching a team and not doing your job at West Coast, when West Coast don't have time to be sitting back with player exit meetings, recruiting ideas, coaching staff appointments, because every single coach at West Coast is out of contract. So they're in a really awkward situation, doesn't matter who they get. >> Yeah, it's different over the system coaches. They get the blessing from their clubs to go and take those meetings. So that's just a quick flight in to Western Australia, or it might be held inside their own state where they have those meetings with the people that are put in place to select the next coach. So I think it's a little bit different, but I just can't see somebody with high integrity, like Ken Hinckley leaving his club to go and have that sort of meeting. >> Yeah, well, my all is that no one has spoken to Ken Hinckley directly. And I quote, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, yet. Adrian Hinckmann's name seems to be gaining a bit of traction too. I know Will Schofield on his podcast was very keen on it. I heard David King this morning very keen to get him. And of course, Sam Mitchell, who has a connection with Hinckmann, of course, but they coaching together at Hawthorne, but also they were at West Coast together. What's your thoughts on Adrian Hinckmann's chances of possibly putting his hat in the ring? And is it too soon to be going back to a club that you walked out on two years ago? >> Well, look, Jamie Graham walked out too, and he's one of the candidates as well. And sometimes it's just smart business to get out of the right time and have that foresight to see where a club's going to go. And I reckon Jamie probably saw that. He said West Coast might slide and might get to another club for him and offered in that position. And he's in a better spot now for that role. I don't know much about him individually, except that he's been around for a long time, played the game. It helps that you write a club that's on the rise in Hawthorne, albeit they're not in the finals just yet. But I think it's going to be one of those processes where it's going to come down to how they perform in those meetings to determine who the winner's going to be. I think there's no favourite, it could go to anyone. And it's just going to be who blows the board away when they have those meetings. Is there a timeline where a coach will get announced, or is it, what do you think, Goss, with that? Well, again, it goes back to the discussion about, West Coast can't sit on their hands. Because they can't wait until the October to be announcing a coach, in my opinion, unless their coach is coaching the Grand Final, which it's not going to be the case. But, hey, is your thoughts on this? Because, as I said, they've got to make decisions on their list, on their coaching staff, the direction of the football club. There's a lot to happen at a football club, and they've got to use September when they're out of commission, which are going to be in five weeks' time. They've got to move quickly to shore up their future. Do they go after Tim English, Lee and Baker, Chad Warner, do list, Jack Darling? What are they going to do? There's a lot to happen, isn't there? I mean, I know they sometimes say, hey, is that coaches don't make all those decisions. But I think if you're a coach coming into the West Coast, do go, do you want to have a fair say on it? Well, you've got 25 per cent, say, normally there's four people that have put together, but you've probably got 60 per cent influence in what happens in those meetings with who you want at your football club. So I would hope that it would be in position by the start of finals, so they can have all those meetings. And that's when some of the teams start to drop out, and that's where you might meet with the Tim English, because there's no doubt that Tim English, he won't go to the West Coast Eagles unless he knows who the coach is, and has a good rapport, and they have a good first meeting before he makes a life-changing decision to commit to six years at the West Coast Eagles. Then there's the decisions to be made on the whole list. And look, I think you can have other people that can help with that, including Don Pike. But I want to throw this one back to you, Tim. If Don Pike wasn't the CEO right now, and he's still at the Sydney, would he be the number one candidate for the West Coast? 100 per cent. 100 per cent. And I said, we said this from day one. We said this from day one. If Trevor Nisbitt was still at the West Coast Eagles as the CEO, Don Pike would be coaching. Can you see a situation where the board actually make the call, and say, mate, we think you should be in the process, and then in the search, then turns two, and you see, oh, it is. They're an obvious new CEO. Let me just say, again, we said exactly this straight away, that Don Pike, and that's why the question was asked by Mark Duffield in the press conference that Adam Simpson left. We raised that on the morning of that press conference and said, the question would have to be asked if there's no better candidate available, or believing that they could handle the next group to transition a more season coach after some tough years, which we know could be. They'd do a lot worse than go for Don Pike. If he still has that coaching connection in his mind that he thinks he could do it, 100 per cent agree, and I'm sure there would be someone who could do the CEO's job. I'm absolutely 100 per cent positive. So I still don't think it's out of the question, Haze. I totally agree with you. Haze, I want to talk to you about some of the players that got dropped by the West Coast Eagles. Witherdon, Jermaine Jones, Petra Chally, and Cessar. If you were to, again, I don't want to be disrespectful to any of those players because I'm a Jermaine Jones fan. I think he brings energy. I know sometimes he skill sets out and he's lack of accountability, but I still think he brings in energy. Petra Chally, you know, he's in and out of the side. Cessar just hasn't lived up to the hope. And Alex Witherdon has been a bit of the whipping boy for the team. Should they all be concerned right now being dropped a month out when your team's on going as bad as they are that they're not in the team? No, 100% and a lot of those players don't have contracts. So, you know, they'd be a fool to not realise that their career's on the line. Right now, look, Jermaine Jones, you're right in what you're saying, but he's been frustrating, I think, and given where he's at in his career, he should be performing more consistently. They didn't have any tackles inside their Ford 50 on the weekend, and he played a part in that. Well, I think Witherdon's been OK this year, and he's probably one that I would go forward with for another season, not one that you'd pick every single week next year, but you just have somebody like that with experience that can come into the team if you did get an injury to your preferred 23. Chesa, agree with that one. I think Edward was pretty lucky for what I saw last week to turn the ball over, and he's one that's been given a lot of opportunity this year, but I'm just not seeing that progression and growth. I know you can't get rid of all of them, but I found that one a little intriguing, and maybe Petra Shelley would have been better serviced on the team. But I like the method of skill food in relation to nobody's sake, everybody's on edge, and even bringing Jack Darling back in. To drop a player and bring them back in is not the worst. It just sharpens everybody up, sharpens that player up, and everybody's on notice. Tom Barris plays his 150th. If you're a West Coast Eagles fan, I suggest you go to... I don't know about the timing of this, but there's a video piece of Jeremy McGovern and Tom Barris that they've put together to music, and a couple of grabs from Jeremy McGovern about playing with Tom Barris. I don't know whether this is a public appeal by the Football Club, but it certainly does, considering all the speculation that Tom is being sought after by Hawthorne and also the Western Bulldogs. I suggest that West Coast Eagles fans go and have a look, and it's actually quite an emotional piece of how connected the two gentlemen are in McGovern and Barris. What is your thoughts on going forward with Tom Barris? A three-year deal, he has been quoted very strongly as saying he's not going anywhere unless they pull the rug underneath him. What do you think the West Coast Eagles would entertain a thought of trying to do some type of deal to get themselves a bigger draft pool and a pick pool and try and get some sort of capital to go after some other players for the future? I just think a material conversation has to happen. There's been a lot of talk around this for a long time. This is probably three years now in the making, but there's been rumours. And you've been in this game for a long time. The rumours don't come from nowhere. Like right now, Caleb Sarong's a great player, but there's no contract talk from other clubs around Caleb Sarong, because it's easily dismissed from player, but also management when you say, "No, he's not available. "He's definitely staying at that club." But it doesn't seem that that's getting true to a lot of the other clubs. They believe he's gettable, and we're seeing something similar with Dan Houston at the Port Adelaide Football Club. And when they smoke, there's fire. And I feel it could be a win for both. Particularly given that he is contracted for so long, if you were to let him go, he would only be for a top ten pick. Maybe even better than that, where they can get another pick down the track and position himself really well on the draft. Then you go the draft, you take the best defender, potentially, in the draft. It's going to take a bit of time. But even for Tom Barasaside, you know, he's one of those guys that I think would love the opportunity to come. Not just play at another club, but explore and live in another city. He's that sort of guy that I think, you know, would have liked to get to Sydney or maybe Melbourne for the cultural reasons of those particular states. So him to then get a five-year guaranteed contract and a chance right now to be the difference in one of those sides. And you look at Hawthorne, he goes into that side right now. There a contender, he goes into the bootle right now. There a contender as well. So I think we just need to have a mature conversation. They will have that. And I think it could be a win for both clubs and players. Yeah, it's interesting too, because I saw Tom Baras do a podcast with Dylan Buckley and he spoke about the loss of his dad and his loss of his cam McCarthy, he was one of his besties and getting to know them and his young family. I have a sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind that Melbourne would be a bit of a getaway. For Tom, I think Tom would appreciate going to a football state. There's something in me that says Thomas had to deal with a lot more and not talking about footy stuff, just life stuff in more recent times that I think it might have weighed him down. That might be an upstumps move for the family. He might be a good thing, but he's so connected with Gavin, his kids and his family in Western Australia. He's a corporate twixt in between. Kane and Kingie are saying on S.E.N. this morning that Don Pike should coach the Eagles and not Ken Hinckley. So that's further to what you've already discussed. And again, going back to what we said on the day that Simo got the lemonade. Just the last one on this Derby. Michael Walters, the timing of his injury, played a full game last week, looked like he was up and about four goals. Again, a play at the back end of his career. Again, in such a vital time for the football club. Again, being a veteran. Gee, injury comes in a bad time for some people. And that's really could be a difficult time for Michael Walters going forward. Yeah, he does, but the timing of the four goals was the thing that's going to probably give him every chance to get back in the side. How do you not kick those four goals and play well on the weekend? I look back to his form. And there was probably five or six weeks where he's just a little bit down. And then he had the hamstring, so he missed three. He came back sub twice and then he got the opportunity. And he got the opportunity really to come on because Matthew Johnson got injured. So he came in, started and kicked the four. So I think the confidence he gets from that. I think the confidence that the coaching staff get to say, OK, there's still a bit more left in Michael Walters. We know he's a big game performer. Hard to measure female against Melbourne because they've just dominated them. Dominated them so much in recent times with that win on the weekend. And the one that we saw in our Springs. They definitely play well against them. But it helps. And now Tom Emmett gets a chance to come into the side. So it's fascinating to see that they've gone with another forward instead of replacing Matthew Johnson with a Brody type or an Erasmus type who's back available from his concussion. They've gone with Tom Emmett who needs to stand up because he was preferred at the start of the year and is able to put a different disappointing season. All right, we're going to get our tips in a moment. And Ash is going to drive us through the tipping and the like that. Before we do that, let's just back over 8th of July. So what's that? Eighteen days ago, we had this to sound Scotty on Goss the day that Adam Simpson was told what we said that he wasn't going to have the job. And this is our discussion in regards to Don Pike. I'm telling you now. Well, Pike, he's got a fairly decent coaching record. This is quietly. Do it, do it. CEO coach, you'd have to have a pretty good 2IC. He doesn't have to be the CEO. He doesn't need to sleep. He doesn't need the money either. He doesn't have to be the CEO. So, all right, question without notice. Is Don Pike a candidate to coach West Coast? It's not unrealistic, Scotty. If Adam Simpson believes. Unless Don Pike comes out and says, "I'm not going to put my hand up." If Don Pike doesn't slide into that position as CEO replacing Trevor News but I am going to tell you now, his name would be talked about at the top of the list. So that's what we said back then. And then Duff went to the press conference and asked Don Pike that. And I am not 100% convinced Don Pike answered the question fully. Are you there, Hose? Yeah, I'm here. I thought you were waiting in place of audio. No, I didn't answer the question. You certainly didn't answer the question. He just went, "I sort of pushed it aside." But anyway, look, there's a lot to play out. There's a lot to play out. All right, let's get our teeth into the tips. And at the moment, I'm still holding sway. In fact, I might have just gone one further ahead of you last week. We don't have our tips panel up on our screen at the moment, but let's go through the mash. Big week of footy this week, first up Friday. We have Carlton Port Adelaide Marble Stadium. Last time Port actually played Carlton, they got a smashing. Is there a redemption round this round in? Yeah, they got hold of them late. There's no doubt about that. Patrick Krips is unbelievable in that game. And they had Cottrell who did a pretty good job on Zack Bartos. They got a couple of injury concerns. The Carlton Football Club, as I say every time I come on, with the Friday night games, there's always an upset which was last week that I played. I know Tim, I would like to let Tim pick. We're going to rotate this round for one, but I'm going to go the upset. And I'm tipping purely here to beat Tim Gossack in the tipping. So I'm going to go the upset in this one and go with Port Adelaide. Yeah, I am absolutely all over Port Adelaide for this. I 100% agree. I think, what are you laughing at? I'm being serious. I have to Port Adelaide. You just going to stick with what I was doing. No, I'm happy to mix and match with you. So I am also tipping Port Adelaide. You have to Port Adelaide. Can I change my tip then? I would like to go back to Carlton. No, are you? OK, do you want to go for? Who you want to go for? Yeah, Port Adelaide for me, Port Adelaide for me. Carlton for Hammer, as well. I'm on 106 Hases on 103. Scotty's on 93, and I don't think we've got his tips we should have, but we don't. And Hammer's on 91. All right, let's go to the second one. I'm not sure you're going to go an upset for this game, Hazy, but North Melbourne, Geelong Cats on Saturday. What are we thinking? It's in Tazzy. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. There's lots of others that you think. Let me tell you right here. Geelong did have a loss last week, a big loss. And they are slow, and North Melbourne are not slow. So, Stephen, how are you going, North? I'm very much pointing towards North Melbourne. Very much pointing towards North Melbourne, but I'm not brave enough to tip North Melbourne. Yeah, I don't think I am a hunter, but I believe in what you're saying, that I think through the midfield, that's where they're vulnerable. And they've had to make some change with Tom Stewart spending a bit more time in there. But he's building into the midfield of North Melbourne, but I think Geelong, too much on the line, they should just get there. Yep, Geelong for me, North Melbourne for Hammer, and Geelong for Scotty. Saturday, 2.35, we have Gold Coast Suns, the Brisbane Lions. The Brisbane Lions are on the rise. Big win against the Swans last week. Yeah, they are. Tomah Goldie, though. Doesn't matter, it's still Queensland. Yeah, it is Queensland. So, they will handle the conditions better. I think that's been the Achilles heel for a few teams that are going up to take on the Gold Coast. But they haven't been beaten yet, the Gold Coast Suns are at home. So, I'm going to stick with them, I think, though. One more yell from Brisbane to be out for a long time. So, Gold Coast for me. They will dismember to use a word that I think should be in the Oxford Dictionary. Brisbane will spiffle a cape, the Gold Coast Suns. They are that far better than the Gold Coast Suns. It's not funny. Hammer's gone, the Suns. We've got a split. Great. Haze has gone, the Suns. Scotty and I have gone for the Brisbane Lions. You can't tip against the Lions. They are the red-hot team of the competition at the moment. Yeah, we've got St Kewter, Essident, Marvel Stadium. We'll Essident bounce back. Yeah, they should. They went with the two rucks last week. They don't really work. Gold things out. We need a bit more out of there. Full back in Ben Macire, who's been disappointing in recent times. But I wasn't believing in this team that it wasn't like years gone by. I'm still not convinced, but I'll give them one more chance against this day. Yeah, Essident, for me, no doubt. I think, says St Kewter got a free hit last week against West Coast. So, we're going all three have gone. Essident, Goss, that's me. Myself, Scotty and Haze and Hammer's just, I don't know what Hammer's trying to make up Lost Ground. He's on 91. He's gone for what? The Saints. In 5.30 on the Saturday, we have Melbourne, the sitting tenth, the giant sitting fifth. Ken Melbourne, get back in the eight. Oh, not the Melbourne that takes on Fremantle. I've seen them, they're very average. They had improved things. The Giants are rolling new extension for their coach. Sam Taylor back into the lead. Yeah, it's great. Some of the sickle of the Giants. I think they're going to make a run like they did last year towards the top four. The Giants for me to maybe end it for Melbourne. Their chances are getting slim. Yeah, I agree. Melbourne out of their misery now. Yeah, the Giants for me, I think they will travel OK. We've all gone for the Giants, GWS, GWS, GWS. We need a margin for the next game. Oh, margin. Also, I want to talk about the free and West Coast game, WA, people out there. Do the Dockers talk about the last time that they played Eagles? Or is it just, we've forgotten about that game and here we are sitting fourth on the ladder? No, I think they look at it absolutely, because they would look at the clearance numbers. And also a contested possession, mainly 132 to 108, it was in that game. So that's a smashing. They had 59 turnovers to 44, so the Eagles were able to maintain a lot of pressure on the ball. A bit has changed, and I remember after the game, and I hate saying this, but it was a mulligan for free. They were just off that entire game, and it probably doesn't represent what they brought every single week. The match-ups are always big into this, but I think free amount of added a few different layers to their game that doesn't just rely on contest anymore. They've moved the ball really well from the back up last week, and a lot of them, it was handball game too, so their kicking games always been good order, but now their speed through the corridor from the back up and handball was a leap on the weekend, and they rated pretty highly. I think we're going to go through that. I saw a stat, Hazy, that the freer, the 11 wins, their average handball metres gain was 240 metres, and then the six losses they've had. They've only done 16 metres, so they've obviously been working pretty hard on that handball game, for sure. If you look at what happened with West Coast last week, they didn't put a tackle on in their back 50, so their handball out of the back 54 free over the easy this week, unless West Coast can improve that, but the teams that can stop them from doing it and put a lot of numbers around the ball on pressure, and execute out for four quarters will challenge them. I'm not sure West Coast at this point have the calorie to do that, so I will go free Mantle by 32. Yeah, free Mantle by 32, Hamhart, free Mantle by 111, Scotty, free Mantle by 42, and I am a free Mantle by 74. I think it'll be pretty lopsided, and I've got not a great deal of hope for West Coast Eagles, and it is a Dockers Derby, get along and support. Sunday's fixtures. Yep, Sunday morning, we have Collingwood versus Richmond. Can Richmond stop their losing streak? They're a chance, they're absolutely a chance. They've been playing some pretty good footy day in that game for a long time on the weekend, Richmond, they get support out of late, but they couldn't get their Collingwood. She's a big doer if they lost, so I don't think you will be. I think Collingwood will be good enough just to keep their slim chances of the loss. Yeah, we've all gone for Collingwood. Yeah, we've got Swans, the Bulldogs, and the SEG, and Sydney do it without Pappley. This is a real danger game, this is a real danger game for Sydney, brave to tip against Sydney, though still, but the dogs are coming, they're barking loud. I'm going to go Sydney, but with not a lot of confidence. Well, they need to win this, don't know the Bulldogs, really, if they want to make finals for you, they're still not inside the eight, and it feels like we're talking about them so good, but they've got to get there, and that's the frustration that West, they've got. Rory Lobb has been amazing, and they lose it, there's a couple of defenders as well. I've seen you at home very difficult to beat, I'll back them to bounce back. We've all gone for Sydney apart from Hammer, who's gone for the dogs in the last game of the round. Adelaide Hawthorne, I'm enjoying Hawthorne's game lately, but it is in Adelaide. Yeah, they've been in good form too, Adelaide, since the buy. Hawthorne, they went there early in the year, they had that game against Port Adelaide where they lost it in the last 45 seconds, I think they had two goals picked against them. So, the venue holds no fears for them, I'm a big believer of the story, it's not unless they went in the Premier League all those years ago, imagine if Hawthorne went on and won this skirmish ship, it will be one of the all-time great previously wins, whatever had the privilege to witness. So, for that to happen, they need to win, and I think they will. Yeah, Adelaide, you said Adelaide, but hard to tip against them when they're in Adelaide, and they're up and about at times, but yeah, Hawthorne for me. So, our tips go quickly like this, the Port Adelaide Carlton game, Hammer's the only one that's gone for Carlton, Hammer's the only one that's gone for North Melbourne against the Cats. We're split on the Suns and the Lions, we're three of us have gone for Essendon and the Beats, and Kilda, Hammer's gone for the Saints, you can see what he's trying to do. We've all gone for GWS, and we've all gone for Freo, we've all gone for the Pies, we've all gone for the Hawks, and all of us except Hammer has gone for the Sydney Swans, he's gone for the Dogs. Hey, it's appreciate your time, tomorrow night AFL Nation looking forward to it. Are you on here this afternoon between three and five? Absolutely, I mean, I mean Martin was up for a big athlete. Yes! Can you get the mark? That's what I just said, quite bizarre, really, but anyway, I did say we weren't sure what time you're on here, but it's now starting to chicken's coming home to roost. Can I ask you a question? Make sure you ask him a question. Red 53 resumes at Belmont tomorrow, just remind yourself.