Scott Cummings & Tim Gossage dissect the recent findings from the match review panel where some questionable bans have been handed out.
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Scotty & Goss react to the Charlie Cameron tackle ban - (16/07/2024)
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Give it a try at midmobile.com/save, or whatever you're ready. $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month, new customers on first three month plan only, taxes and fees extra, speeds lower above 40 gigabytes of CD-Tails. On the back of last week, where, let's go to the team approach to this show, but in particular, you just dominated breaking news, dominated, it was huge across the country. I think it's brilliant that we backed it up with a superb analysis and prediction of what Charlie Cameron was going to get at the tribunal, I think we just followed it up a treat, you and I, both said that, "Hmm, no, I don't think you're doing this, I don't think you get to think." What happened there? Are you perplexed? Yeah, I'm surprised. It's the outcome. The outcome is the issue and I think there are circumstances where the outcome should not be the issue. In fact, as he got concussion, in fact, is that Liam Duggan has now proven he's susceptible because I don't think it was the world's heaviest knock to the ground, head to ground that we've seen. We also know the ground is exceptionally hard. So I have, yeah, I think three weeks is way too much. In fact, I believe, in my opinion, that the umpire took too long to blow the whistle and that could have ceased as a standing tackle. Because it was really evident on the weekend, more than any other weekend, I think that the whistle was getting blown quick, wasn't it? They were on to it. Across other games. Across other games. They were on to it. They were on to it quick and where they went. This is what we said yesterday, as you talk about, with fish Whiting, when we went around the country. This was with fish when we went around the country with AFL.com.au when we head up to Queensland. I think there was any twisting or driving in the tackle. It looks unlucky for me. I'm not coming across as a homer there. No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I think you're right, we think it's just part and parcel of the game, just some talk to your head. They'll look at that the second bit of halfway through the tackle where he gets control of it. I think they'll look at that. I agree. Football incident. Nailed it. Absolutely narded. We are on. We missed it by a mile. If you've got a week, I would have gone, I can sort of see where they've come to that conclusion. They've got three. He got the same as what Davies got for his hit on Jones in the port, in the Gold Coast port. Which is ridiculous. Which is the guy who's head over the footy and charges in and hits him with his hit, which has got damage to the head, damage to the neck, spine, it's much, much worse. Jonathan Brown last night on AFL 360, on the couch, was brutal towards the suspension of Toby Bedford and basically the tackling. Have a listen to this. He came off the long run. Jonathan Brown. I'm Adam Kingsley. Toby Bedford is a critically important player for him. He's becoming doing a fantastic tenure. I'm telling you mate, don't pursue and don't tackle him. That's situation. I'd rather have you playing for us instead of missing for the next three weeks. Concussion Crusaders. Be careful. Be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you wish for. And if you start to liken them to the community sport standards or a community sport, getting rid of king hits, getting rid of abusing umpire, respectful as these are not situations that are going to be good for community sport. If I was paid down a court where me old man lives, there would be rights. I'd feel for the umpires out trying to leave the game if they started paying that as free kicks or players were getting suspended. So we are heading down the wrong path. We've done an amazing job. Don't get me wrong. And I want players to be safe, but I want our game to still be our great game. And if we continue on this path, I'm concerned. So that's Jonathan Brown. I'll keep going through these. Chris Scott Jelong coached his regards to stance on tackling and the Bedford suspension as well. My view is pretty similar on both of them. I think the momentum was going one way, and it was very difficult for the tackle to make any other decision. The path that I push back on that I hear quite a bit, particularly from the tribunal, is that in that situation, they want the player to release an arm in motion. It's hard to do without putting yourself at risk. I'm not sure we need to get to the stage where the duty of care extends to you putting yourself in harm's way. That's even if you can make that assessment, you know, split second even less. So that's Chris Scott. So all the coaches and all the experts are having an opinion. It's been pretty strong on Melbourne radio this morning. Justin Longfield, free Mantle Coach. Clearly they're stepping down on two hands tied up in the tackle and the player not being able to protect himself when they go to ground. I think we reached a pretty consistent point on that, the middle of last year. I think at the start of this year, there's probably been some inconsistencies with that, but it seems to have found its water level again and it's something that I'm all for, really protecting the head. And the players are just going to have to deal with the outcome of the tackle, I guess. No one is not for protecting the head. We understand all for it. Now, I think it's gone way too far in the AFL is basically saying that's now the number one thing in football, the head because of financial compensation, we've been loined into game. Brad Shephard situation right now, I'm not saying Shephard is any different to a lot of other players, we're going to come forward and try and seek some compensation for concussion and being forced, but going back on to play the game, Liam Duggan's now had two bouts of concussion, we've seen already retirees, Carmichael has retired already out of Collingwood. So this is an issue, 131255 0487736, if you'd like to text us as well. But I want to take us back to March 2024, let's back the pedal, let's go back the truck up. So Toby Bedford's been given three free tackle on Tim Taranto, do we take responsibility? You've been interested to know whether you've had a conversation with him or your forward line coach. Now you've based your game on pressure, acts, you've based your game on tackle count, but you've been a bit flat on the old tackle count so far, I know, no tackles last week, three in round one, you are below your career average, you need to lift young men, that is genuinely your one would, that's where you need to step up. Yeah, no, it's fair enough now, but you actually actually have spoken to him and he said that you actually have seen. There's no hardy way from the start. I love it. Toby, I love it. And you know what, the following week, I think now 5 or 6 tackles, 11 tackles, he went pretty strong and he responded. Do we take some responsibility? Well, listen, normally, you know, when the things were good like all the youth praking, it was our little show that did it, it was we, we, we, that was all you. That was all you. You take responsibility. Don't take responsibility for that, but I do take responsibility for what's been making news in Melbourne at the moment, like today's show with Tim, with a cane and Sam, in for Gary and Timo and a whole lot as a yet again. What were they talking about? They were talking about the small crowds at the MCG. No, I think the small crowds debate was pretty much the final straw for you on X. That's when you said that's it. No. No, I had a Gary Terry. Oh, and they came for you and said it's winter, stupid, because that's the first time we've played in winter. It's a new season. And they took them by surprise and they like it and they came for you from everywhere. So 19,000 went to a Richmond game at the MCG after 90,000 went and saw the Dusty 300 and I get all that. That was an occasion. Brilliant. I get all that. Brilliant. And I'm not expecting 90,000 every week, but 19. And don't worry about who they played GWS because that's the national competition. You've still got 100,000 members. 19 is North Melbourne versus Gold Coast at Marvel on a long weekend. Or in Tassie. Yeah, correct. So I said three weeks ago, there was concern about the lack of crowds. Now all of a sudden, guess what's in Melbourne? It is all over the newspapers, all over the airwaves, all over TV, about the dwindling tendencies. And that's all I said. Okay. There. How are you going? Are you going to stay strong? No. You're going to stay strong. You're going to stay off it. I am not airborne. This was your topic of three weeks ago. Hey. But you're not going to be away. No, I'm not piling in. Stay strong. Stay strong. And I am. That's true. I'm Gostromamus. I can predict these things a long way ahead of anybody else. And yes, let's you know that, hey, all of a sudden, the great unwashed, the battlers and nuffies, the keyboard warriors who attacked me and forced me into retirement on X have basically now come out and gone the other way and got, oh yeah, the crowds are small iron. Yeah. No one's talking about this. The crowds are small. Why don't you block me? They're siding with me. All right. Now, I'm going to set you a task before I'm this day. Yes. You're going to tell me what is going to be in the news in four weeks, in three weeks time. Okay. Three weeks time, you're going to tell me what a hot issue is that we will talk about first and then everyone else will jump on about a week and a half later. Chris is your note for it. He wants to talk about tackles and the head. G'day, Chris. Morning, guys. There you go. You're going strong, Chris. How are you? May watch your thoughts. Yeah. Good. Hey, listen, that Charlie Cameron tackle, mate, I didn't see anything in it when it first happened. It wasn't singing. It wasn't dangerous. The only thing I can see, what they've pinned him on, is the force he used because Charlie used his head as well. Now halfway down the tackle, he buried his head into Duggan's chin and kept driving down with his shoulder and his head, which didn't really allow Duggan to hold his head off the ground. If Charlie Cameron had tucked his head to the side of Duggan's, then that would have given him the opportunity to at least put his head forward and keep it off the ground. I'm not saying he would have been able to do that, but that's the only thing I can see that they bring him got him on. So Chris, do you... Chris, while we're on the tackle, and Scotty saw all the similar opinion to you, the second motion where he sort of really ramps it up, I think that comes about also with Duggan trying to push through the tackle and it was too blokesy in a game of footy. Don't you think he's trying to fight the tackles that Charlie has to continue the fight? Yeah, correct. And also, again, which is what I said, and I think Scotty and I both agree on this, the umpire didn't blow the whistle soon enough, the whistle should have been blown prior to that second motion, because he wasn't going anywhere. The ball was between both of them, his arms were pinned, he wasn't going to dispose of it, and there was insufficient time to get rid of the footy. For me, I think it's umpire error. Well, that's exactly what I was going to say before, and Scotty mentioned that as a game, it was almost like football, as soon as they got touched and blew. But that one did take a long run by the whistle, and I think that also had a lot to do with it. Good only Chris, very good. Nice call by you. No prize because we don't have one, but 13, 12, 55 took it down by open line. The prize was Mackers Brekkie this morning, but it's gone. It's a bad beef jerky stuff, you do the ads for the jerky code, don't you? Yeah. Any chance? You think so? You think you can get a box of that stuff? I think so. Come on, producer, find the jerky. I tell you. You're good at it, you might as well find it. Come on. I'll tell you who I'm happy doing ads for. Wilson's Brewing Company are there to Rivey. I look after them. The Morning Gosh of Darmus, when will Freeow win the flag? Tom? Well, that won't be my newsbreaker. OK. That's going to happen within the next three weeks. They're going to win a flag in three weeks? No, they're not going to win the flag in three weeks. No, the news that you're going to break, that you're going to... And you'll need to have it by what time? Oh, before, on this day. I've got to have asked you there and then. What, seven minutes? Yeah. Well, you'll have it, won't you? Or will you have it before the end of the day? Do you need more time? No, no. I'll go with it. You've got something percolating right now. I can see. It's exciting. Yeah, yeah. I see something in your little brain taking that over there. Little brain. Sorry about that. I see something in your huge noggin. Oh, no, we need it. Hey, there's some faith. No mirrors in your ass. Oh, pot get off. Alrighty. Plenty of text coming in. Hey, guys. Kevin might appeal and get off with a good character. Yes. Might make a valid point. If Hini's going to get suspended means everyone will get suspended. Yeah. Oh, wait. If the golden call is gone. Good call. Yeah. Alrighty. Cool. We're going to... It's 18 past six. It's 7.5. Hitting... Well, she wasn't a beautiful day yesterday. Cracker. Stunning. We're going to have a 22 again today. Yeah. Special. 22 today. 22 tomorrow we're going to get some showers and then it's going to do it. It's all right. Yeah. It's over the right. Matt from Beldol. I think the players just need to show greater duty of care. The danger of king hit is the back of the head hitting the ground. The AFL cannot allow tackles where players are pinning both arms and driving the back of the head play into the ground mat in Beldol. But he wasn't driving the head. He fell to ground. He fell to footballers, you know, when you get tackled, 98% of tackled players are finished on the ground. Yeah. Oh, is that a real stat? We just... We've grown up pinning the arms. Absolutely. So they can't dispose of it. And we've grown up with chicken wing tackle is bad. And now they're allowing the chicken wing tackle. So you've got to release an arm so you've got to pin one even harder. Exactly right. The chicken wing should be outlawed. Yeah. That for me is they have got themselves in such a pickle now the AFL. And with the wrong changes in the interpretations, don't blame the umpires. I do say the umpire on this occasion, we could have avoided the Charlie Cameron if the whistle had been blown prior. Split second, yeah. Standing up, standing up. Yeah. And then all of a sudden the pressure goes off. There's no resistance. The reason why Charlie Cameron continued with his push through tackle is because there was resistance from Liam Duggan and Liam Duggan's only doing what a natural footballer would do. You try and break your tackle. Correct. Exactly right. And seven, three, six, seven, three, six, it is the hot topic. The three weeks for Bedford, or can you get that off for Toronto, three weeks for Charlie Cameron. But how often does someone who gets three weeks get off? Does it just get reduced? I mean, if they reduce Charlie Cameron's to one. Why though? Based on what? Well, it wasn't careless. No, I know, I know, I know. But based on precedent set and I know there are some dangerous ones and I know there are some ones that they got. How did they get off? It's like his first one. That's just not a dangerous tackle, Charlie Cameron. Just not. The outcome was bad. And that should not be an element to it. And whether or not. I know. But if I and I don't agree with that, I don't agree with, oh, you could have hurt someone really bad. Correct. I hate that. But at the end of the day, it's what we've got to get used to because that's the way they're going with it. So if he got one, I would have gone, geez, I think he's a little unlucky there, but I can sort of see it in that second motion, but three is ridiculous, but they don't get off three. No, it's going to be a tough call, but that goes from three to zero. They quickly have appealed that at Toby Bedford as well. Hey, this is not going to be the story that you were seeking.