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(upbeat music) ♪ And you came away ♪ ♪ You were the winners ♪ ♪ They showed it all ♪ ♪ We come out and play it ♪ ♪ Can't you tell our news for you ♪ ♪ Love and start and love line our two ♪ ♪ And we're gonna be all right ♪ ♪ Trying to say no to you ♪ ♪ Can't you tell our news for you ♪ ♪ Love and start and love line our two ♪ It's you. It's the day trip us. (upbeat music) - Right, and we're about to do the first of our interviews then for this Cologne trip. And we're very, very lucky to have Jeremy down with us. Jeremy's a football agent within soccer. And Jeremy, I know you've spoken to Phil before for the show, so I can't remember it though, but he doesn't really remember much about it. But we don't want to cover all grounds, but it would be a bit silly if we didn't just get a little bit of an intro to, you know, yourself and what you do. So would you mind just telling us first of all, what makes, what leads you to that as a career? What was the idea behind it? Or what attracted you to the idea of being a football agent? - Yeah, that's a good question. Luck. - Really? - Okay, I hadn't dreamed of it, to be honest with you. And it's not as though it's a big spectacular career. It's a lot of hard work. And to be honest with you, Melissa hates my phone from time to time, that's why. But yeah, it was just a matter of luck. I mean, I played growing up to the, you know, high this level that I could, played on the university, scholarship, and ended up coming over to the UK to work and ended up landing in Germany with United Nations School, actually, and it wasn't here for football reasons at all. And I ended up running into Mr. Novotny. He ends Novotny in, you know, in a stadium in Wuppertal. And he had just finished his career with Germany with Leverkusen and we got to talking. And he had long and short of it as I'm, to the side of the business now. So, I guess what leads me and drives me is the passion of the game. And I'd been asked before if I had the opportunity to do this, I certainly probably wouldn't have believed it, but certainly would have thought that it would be a spectacular line of work. - Sure. - But the thing is coming from Canada, it's just not, you know, professional football is not our game, and being an agent is, yeah. Not a very financially valuable option because there's only three professional teams and the commissions are half of that than they are in Europe, so. - Okay. - Yeah, it wasn't exactly a conscious decision that I want to be in this business. I have to be in this business. It's more of just, you know, having it in my background and being at the right place at the wrong time. - I know what you mean. Something struck me there in the middle of your description about the phone. It's probably very much a 24-hour gig, isn't it? It's probably one of those things where you're pretty much on call all the time, is that right? - Yeah, give or take. It's all encompassing. So, yeah, I couldn't count in two hands that type of different weird situations. - Yeah, I've come across phone calls for boys not showering. - Right. - Which is looked on in a German standpoint to be unprofessional, which of course it is, to, yeah, cell phone problems to school problems, to legal and police problems, to girlfriend problems, to obviously the important things like football and medical and insurance, et cetera, but it would take me a long time to actually think about all the different problems that I've encountered that were, you know, you just have to shake your head and think, this is why we do learn our money. - Yeah, the fixer element of it were-- - Oh, to present the situations all the time. - Social media, to a large extent. The kids have no idea what to and what not to put out there and then how vulnerable they are. And, yeah, the fixer element is absolutely-- - Put it in fires and-- - Ah, yeah. - Preferably trying to prevent them before they occur, of course, of course, and you learn over the years, you know, what to tell the boys to watch out for, but the fixer element is a place of a massive role. - Well, what's the process involved in actually recruiting a player? I mean, you know, we might be familiar with the idea of a scout who'll go and see whether a guy is good or not. I mean, I know you are involved with the very, you know, picking up prospects. So, do you go and watch a player and then think, okay, this might be someone I might be interested in working with or does it work the other way? They come to you looking for representation. How does that work? - Once in a while, it'll be the second. It'll be people coming to me and that's because I've been in it for a long enough period of time and I've done a decent enough job and I've made a name for myself. I think in many a business word of mouth is often the best advertisement for somebody's quality. You know, whether it's a dry wall or an architect, a school teacher or whatever, it's often times people saying, you know, he's good and you can work with him and you can trust him. In the other regard, I will generally target my own clients and watch them a number of times against lower level and medium level and higher level opposition to see how they do when they're losing, how their body languages, how their heads are on the field and then if I really think it's worth the time and the professional perspective to do more of what some of my colleagues do, you know, which is to dig into the idea of, you know, what are their heads like? What do they like in school? You know, find out via additional players, parents, coaches, et cetera, if they're mature, if they're respectful, if they're thankful and if they know how to take a punch and keep on going rather than to, you know, bottle it and give up. - Yeah, I was struck by that when we spoke earlier on off the mics about your attitude to character. The idea of being interested in how a person's put together, if they have basically the right stuff to make it, you know, it seems to be a pretty much avoidal element in the recruiting process as well. Or am I making that up? - No, not at all. I think at least when I was living in UK, they'd call it bottle, you know, and the ability to, you know, to reach deep down and to be able to, yeah, to step it up when they've been knocked down. And it's hard because when you come through the youth, you spend five, six, seven, eight, nine, perhaps 10 years in a youth academy. One day you're playing, one day you're not. I was talking with my colleague, Jordi, today. And he said to me, I'm like, I mentioned one particular player. And I was like, yeah, he showed so much promise last year. And he was like, yeah, but you know, it's U18 and U19. Sometimes these boys have dips and they come back and you know, it's about how they handle it in the long term, it's not just about the short term. And it is like that, you know, sometimes you're working hard and your attitude is right and it's still not going in a perfect way. So certainly that ability to persevere is probably the germs called the villa, which is literally translated to the will, the determination to move on. I mean, my boss, he ends at four ACLs in his career. - Yeah. - He did his, he did his cruciate four times. And he still played 48 games for Germany up until the 2006 World Cup. - That's probably the embodiment of villa right there. - Yeah, you know, and that's, and it is exactly that. It's just that, you know, what, okay, I've just had my life ruined for a year. I am going to deal with this, you know. And you know, from time to time, the kids are on the bench and they think they're a hot shot or they've been doing really well. And it's about saying, hey, you know what? Okay, you're not playing today. But, you know, I think you should be pretty thankful to be at a professional club and try to work hard this week. You know, from the side of perspective, you know, there are homeless people out there. There are, you know, 5,000 kids, your age, that wish they were in your position. So why don't you pick your head up? You know, the world's not such a terrible place and sort of fight for your place again. - I'm guessing that kind of relationship building is very important, but I'm also guessing that might be a little bit fraud if you've got parents who are watching what you're saying to their little precious, whoever. You probably find yourself treading a line there, right? - Absolutely, it depends on the parents. Some of them are logical and sane. - Yeah. - And some of them are the opposite. I'll just leave it with that. And I think they stand there and they watch every training of session and they come home and they berate their children about what they did and didn't like. And they'll stand on the side and then grill the coaches or try their best to make content with the coaches to apply pressure. And that just makes it worse for both the kid and the team and then it sort of freezes the boys from time to time. So there is a high degree of that. And it's about, I guess, offering perspective. And I've had it long enough with boys here that I'm very, very quick to point out what the shortcomings are in, let's say, in a situation, gentle way as possible. You know, and obviously it depends on the boys. Some of them just want to hear it straight. Just tell me what's going on. And some of them need to be massaged of it. You know, Ella, in a school class. Okay, well, you know, this has done well. However, there are some deficits in area A, B and C. - And you develop a feel for a lot, I guess, as you go along, you probably do tinnings differently now and you go to the start. - Everybody's human beings, we're all different. So some of them can just take it straight. Just give me a smack in the mouth and let me know how it is. And the other ones, though, and you gotta work your way around it and be a little bit gentle. And if you've gotta be too sensitive with it or if the boys are too, let's say, arrogant or almost, you know, cocky, if you will, then it's generally speaking the type of client that I don't want to be working with. That's why I would have done my homework first. - But the other element, major element, I suppose in relationship is the club. Is there, how does the system work here in Germany? Do you find yourself stealing a one person per club who's kind of responsible for talking to agents about the talent under books or does it vary easily, different kind of stuff? - Big clubs, there's 15 different people I need to be talking to. - Right, okay. - In smaller clubs, there'll be five to 10. - Oh, you know, it's not like, I mean, the most important thing at any club for any player is the trainer. That's the real thing that matters 'cause the trainer is the person who's gonna be putting the player on the pitch, first of all, and is playing time is vital to his or her career. And at the end of the day, you know, if I'm a financial standpoint, you need to be talking to the office upstairs to determine what the plans are with the club in the long-term future, but in the short-term. And for the education of the boys, certainly from a youth perspective, there's nothing more valuable than that information from the trainer, but what's good, what's not, and what's in between. And certainly, you know, that ability to be able to manage your client, you know, within the team itself that he didn't. - Yeah, I did, do you find, we've had a little bit of movement from Germany, which is very relevant to Liverpool's supporters with the arrival of Klopp. Do you find that it's part of the goal for a lot of young German players now? Because this is such a successful league in and of itself, and so highly regarded. Is England still a destination of choice? Is it kind of a dream on the horizon for a lot of young players here because of whatever prestige or perceived prestige? Or is that completely the wrong take? - Five years ago, I would've told you you're wrong. Nowadays, I would say maybe even further back than five years, nowadays I would suggest that the number one, the top two places that German players would like to go to, be it youth or professionals, is England and MLS. - Okay. - Those are the places that the boys are interested in going, and generally speaking, that threshold, we're talking 19 to 26-year-olds, and then upward from 26, we're talking MLS. And certainly from the standpoint of, let's say, converting the second leagues, you could look at the second league in Germany, which according to a statistic that I was given the other day, it's the sixth most attended league in Europe. And I'm sure if that's not exactly correct, it's not far off. The pay would be about, let's say, 60 to 80% less than the second year in England, although the standard of football is arguably just as good throughout the entirety of the league. That's one reason that players wanted to move for a financial standpoint. So if they have a new pass, it's obviously quite interesting to play in England from a financial standpoint, which they have 10 years to make their money before their knees are shot, and they gotta think about a second career, and most of them aren't gonna be bankers or lawyers, so they need to make the most amount of money possible. So from a financial standpoint, a strong second one, a single player would have that interest. And from the standpoint of the culture, and the interest in the league, the Germans love tradition. They love a traditional club. So they're all about going to England. That's why they love the whole thing with Klopp, because Liverpool, to the Germans, they really generally don't see a more traditional club that exists outside of Germany, let's say, in England at least, as Liverpool. Liverpool has a massive name here. So the fact that Klopp is landed there, and especially coming from a club in the Roarpot, coming from Dortmund, it's a massive, massive. - That's what I suppose where I was gonna go next. That interests me because I'm thinking it can take, I think he's only the second German after it was the Felix Magath, I think, to manage in the Premier League. So, I mean, he could really, not necessarily just to Liverpool, but he could act as a conduit, couldn't he, for that connection, at least, could get things going in a way that they haven't gone to date. I mean, there hasn't been a huge amount of traffic. You could really see it stepping up now, just on the basis of this kind of catalyst, couldn't you? - Absolutely. - I mean, there's gonna be more interest for this type of transfer for players, let's say, just based on the fact that Klopp is there, and then Emre Chen is having some success, et cetera, and obviously with the boys going to Liverpool. You know, additionally speaking, there's also, I mean, for example, you've had Uvea Russell recently at Leeds, who just got fired this week, actually, but obviously Leeds is another traditional club in English history as well, and Germans are aware of that. You know, Uvea Russell was an ex-national player for East Germany for the old DDR. He was the last team that actually played. He played for Germany, actually. So he has some of his own traditions, and I think that he had brought a couple of Germans with him. There's a couple of German boys that just came from FC Cologne's youth that are currently at Brentford on the first team as well, that have come over. And so I think you're starting to see a slow increase in the migration of the German professional to England. - And as I said, there is that attractive nature of going to England and going to London or going to UK, and let's say that the Germans do find attractive, and they do like the idea of heading across the channel. - Yeah, did you find Jeremy with the kids, and it's the same as most kids worldwide, that an awful lot of them come with the expectation that they're all going to succeed, and managing those expectations at a young age is really difficult. - To a large extent, and we're just talking about that outside. You know, and they do think that, and it's nice to throw out the statistic that approximately from, let's say, the U19 Bundesliga, which is probably the strongest youth league in the world, especially here in the West. From all the kids that play as starters there, you're going to be looking at a 15 to 20%, they're going to make it as professionals. In other leagues, it would be lower, but in Germany, the youth development is so high, you're looking at close to 15 to 20%. And from that, you have about 3% that will be able to live financially the rest of their lives from their careers. They don't think about it. It doesn't cross their mind. And then you have another staggering statistic that is, and in Germany, it's a fact, I don't know what it's like in other countries, but I can only imagine it's similar, is that close to 50% of players are declared insolvent or bankrupt within five years of retiring. - Yeah. - So there's all these, it's not even just expectations, it's about, hey, say this is football is football, but there's the real world. You know, and yeah, they still don't listen from time to time. We brought out a big first team national player from Olympus, this year, to Kalsra, which is a larger size Bundesliga two club. When the first thing we said to him, and it got, that goes when he came was, hey, you need to have your German insurance policy before you begin to play. He said, yeah, yeah, I'll get it, I'll get it, I'll get it, I'll get it, put your guy in touch and Mark has gotten in touch with the client in Kalsra. And he was, yeah, taking his time and I mean, obviously an insurance policy for a football player is gonna cost you around a grand or two a month, depending on the size of your contract, it was sort of a one and a half. He waited and he waited and he waited and yeah, he got injured and he's paying out of pocket now and he's not getting his money on the side, other than the basic, you know, salary that the club will pay. So it's, you end up with players that don't make a decision because they don't wanna manage those expectations, they wanna make sure that they have the most amount of money possible in that pocket in the short term, but it's also about investing that money wisely and ensuring that you, you know, that you are covered in the medium to long term as well. So how difficult is it to identify talent? Like, I know from talking to the last time, you know, you guys are looking at the younger age group or yourself is looking at the age group in terms of bringing the kids through and who can you develop into go players. How much time do you spend, you know, identifying talent or being put on? How does that process work out? Myself and travel trying to figure out, we're trying to work out in our own heads, like, you know, you're not just sitting there on YouTube, looking at somebody sending you a clip, every second day or something like that, but what is the process behind identifying talent? And knowing that, you know, how much goes into researching the guy's background and stuff like that before you bring them to a club? - Well, certainly, I think when I started, I did manage to look at a few YouTube videos. - Seriously, thank you. - I'll admit it, I'll admit it. It's a great way to do it. - I'll say it's a great way to do it after this. - I have a dirty secret out of it. - I'll take YouTube, and I'd like to, yeah. It was, I use, we've been using Y Scout for years, which a full open Y Scout account will cost you something around the area of 20 to 30K a year to have it. I've been using Insta recently, because I've been offered a temporary account to sort of look at, you know, the profile in regard to its quality against Y Scout. I will use that as a supplementary tool. If at all possible, for example, when I'm looking at some potential MLS candidates, you know, in Belgium, I was mentioning a few and I ended up playing in the next couple of weeks, if and when possible, to go to Standardly Edge, to look at a couple of targets, that's about a 45-minute drive. You need to see them in person. The boys at MLS have all the video material they like, but they like to fly here. And you need to do that. You need to be able to look at the off-the-ball movement, to be able to look at the body language. What I find interesting is to, when a player scores a goal, for example, if I'm looking at boys put the ball in it, how does the team celebrate with them? You know, how is this standing in the team? How is this character? But certainly, I think I'd like to see them with a lose. I'd like to see them if they, if I'm in the, at least in the recruitment stage, I'd like to see if they're losing. How do they manage themselves? You know, I think character is often judged by what a person acts like when they can't do something for you, or when you can't do something for them. You know, and I think it's, when the chips are down, I think it's interesting to see how a person plays, and oftentimes you'll watch, imagine a team will get smacked, but you'll spot one kid that you thought, continue to fight, and, you know, and did his part and tried his best. So, I think that that would be one area. I'd like to see them if they play against a weaker team, or a team that doesn't have the best game I eat, if a team wins four, if I want to see what they're like when they're really hot and they're flowing, and they have all the confidence in the world. And then I also like to see them if they play against absolute top opposition. If I were against a Dortmund, I'd like to generally get a range first to see if the quality is really worth it. And then after that, then it's to do my personal homework to try to find out a little bit more, but the personal side of it, and their character, et cetera, before I move in. The other side of it as well is that, you know, you get your 80, 90-something agents in UK, and then generally speaking the same in Spain, or in France, or in Italy, and you're approaching 300 in Germany. So, the level of competition here is unbelievable. And so, it's also a matter of, well, he might be the business, but if you don't step in now, there's five other agents that you know are standing over there that are waiting to talk, and you have that opportunity because you know who the parent is, and you have that opportunity to make that first contact now, so you might want to take the risk. Have the conversation and judge it for yourself, because that's often, obviously, the best way to look at it is to have a conversation, look somebody in the eye and talk to them, and see what they have to say. Sometimes they don't want an agent, which is certainly their own decision, but it's just corners of their market, but it's certainly their choice to make the type of choice. - What is the risk, I suppose, for you as an agent? When you're weighing up whether to approach a young player and try and bring them into the stable, so to speak, what do you see as the things that can go wrong for you? - A lot of work for no return, to be honest, 'cause it's a business, and it's a business model. I don't know me to be cold about it, but I live on the phone, and when I go out with my wife or with my family, my phone's ringing off the hook, it better be for good reason, because it's got to pay for that, it's money at the end of it, that's the only thing. - Yeah, absolutely, and again, you earn your pay. You earn your pay, it's not a shy strip business, although there are certainly dark characters out there. It's a business where you really, really do earn your pay. It's relentless work. And so, the biggest thing is certainly, for us, certainly from our firm, we're a boutique agency, we work with smaller numbers for a smaller amount of employees in the company, and it's the quality has to be there. That's, for us, it's about really having that quality. And then, it's certainly that you like the people you work with, which includes your clients. It's nice to be able to, there's one particular family that we're pretty close with, that we spend a lot of time with. There, they have a brow house around the corner, and, you know, we're quite happy. The older brothers gone over to Canada on scholarship, and it's playing at a university that I used to play against, and the younger brothers is kicking out with the professional first-team contract to GLaPAP, but they're a nice family. It's not difficult to work, they're good people, and I enjoy it, so that's, there's that side of there is too, because whatever it is, you job, whatever you do, you wanna enjoy your job. - Absolutely, yeah. - It's normal, right? It's like any other job you wanna enjoy. If you don't enjoy it, then don't do it. - Don't exactly find a new profession. - Right, and that includes the people that you're working with, of course. That's, obviously, one of the most important things. - But the lines must get blurred, to an extent. - Of course they do. - You know, when you end up being fond of someone, find yourself with an irrational desire for them to succeed, yeah? - Yeah, absolutely. Melissa says, "I'm like a father, like I'm so, you know, "excited, yeah, they're always good, everything's good." - Yeah, yeah. - And it is like that. You get, and I'm the type of guy I wear in my heart, in my sleeve, and I have my heart's invested in it, which is a good thing. But it can also be to your detriment, let's say, 'cause the lines, excuse me, become blurred. - Yeah, of course. - And so you do have to remind yourself from time to time that it's not, you know, potentially what you see it is you see things with rose-colored glasses, and... - You're operating the Jerry McGuire model. - That's... (laughing) - Yeah, but I like that. - Absolutely, absolutely. - Show me the money. (laughing) - You know, and sometimes it's hard, but damn, it's good. You know, you're out, and you know, my wife, 'cause they're with me sometimes, with some of our clients, we have some nice nights out, and we enjoy ourselves, and some of the kids are great. Couple of their hearts, man, I love them a bit. But then, yeah, the lines do become blurred, and sometimes you get a... - Put the arm around them, and they don't make it. You know, that's the other side to it. You know, there's the great time when your client hits the first team, and you know, they've got their contract, they've made it to the first team, and that's great, but there's lots of other times when I'm sure you have to... - Yeah, yeah, and you have to put the arm around them, and just say, "Listen, this isn't gonna be for you," or, you know, they're not renewing, or they're not giving you a professional. And that must be, you know, they're not gonna be in your professional contract, should I say. And that must be a really tough part of the job, to have to do that to a guy who you've been watching, you know, sort of progress for two, three years. - Yeah, sure. Sometimes it's down to luck. Sometimes it's down to the fact that the club has stabbed them in the back, or that another talent has come around, and you know your boys good enough. Sometimes it's down to injury. - Sometimes it's down to a new manager as well. - Sometimes it's down to manager, or sometimes it's down to politics, there's a whole host of things. So it's up to you to identify if it's still worth it to continue, you know, to really put your professional judgment of yourself and your clients out there to say, "Okay, do we have other options? "Have we done everything we could possibly do?" And if you've exhausted your options, or you really, really think that you're in a cul-de-sac, or that then, and if you will, then okay, to identify that to your clients, say okay, here are some secondary options to make the transition of your football, which we do provide scholarships, for example, for a lot of our boys. We certainly provide the insurances and the investments for injuries or, you know, saving for your futures for our clients, and a lot of agencies won't do that. And I'm not down to the other agencies, I'm just saying that not all agencies are gonna have secondary options, or the bottle to have those conversations as well. Sometimes the way some people work, they just don't pick up the phone. You know, when you're at the dead end, then there won't be somebody at the end of the line. - That's why, and thanks for having me. - And that's it, and you'll look for the next one. If you don't figure it out, then that's too bad for you. So that's the way some people are working. Obviously, I'm not working like that, but it's not always good news. So you have to be able to transmit that, and to let them know what our options are, A, B, and C, and what do you feel like you wanna do, and here's our advice, and then we're forward. - We've monopolized a lot of your time here at Jeremy, but I would like to just selfishly drag it back to Liverpool here, and talk about Mr. Klopp, if you've got-- - Yeah, hang on a second. - This is the non-diver pill part, do you remember that? - Yeah, yeah. - Do you remember that? So you're dragging the bike to Liverpool? - Yeah. - Try and stay on the fucking message here. I'll allow this one, 'cause it's the fourth one. - That was an unfortunate little interjection there, but so anyway, Jeremy, back to the conversation, me and you were having a month. The, what I wanted to ask you about was whether yourself or Mr. Navell, and he interaction with Klopp, or if there's any sort of skinny you can give us on him as a guy to operate with. - He wouldn't clap, certainly no interaction, not at all. I know that Mabacians knows him. They've met before. One of the coaches that we work with, they have the same agent. - Yeah. - I've heard nothing but good about him. I mean, he's a minesboy, and the minesboys come from good stock. I will tell you that they are a working-class, blue-color club. Thomas Tushwell as well, the current trainer of Dortmund also comes through mines, as well as Mr. Klopp, also previous players that have come through into management. They're very humble. They're very humble, not low-class, but just, again, very blurry, blue-color, very humble people who see things from a very pragmatic, let's say, standpoint. And I guess that makes sense. Certainly I wanted to see his interview from his press conference. I guess it was about two weeks later. I finally gotten around having the time to see it. And then what he said, "I'm the normal one." And he said, "My mother's in the black forest "if she doesn't understand what I'm saying right now. "I'm pretty normal, so I guess I'm the normal one." And everybody laughed, and I thought, "That's him." - That sounds good. - That just kind of sums it up. And I think that you won't get, there's no big-time Charlie in him. You know, his smile is very genuine. He has an excellent network. His agent doesn't work to the best of my knowledge, doesn't really work with players. He works with coaches. But coming from Dortmund, certainly, he will have an excellent line to top young talent. Turkish especially, I think, in Roorpot especially. I really do think you can envision more Roorpot and more Turkish and working blue-collar talent coming through. As I mentioned before, Phil, I said, when we talked, I thought Leroy Sanne, for example, is one good player tip. I didn't say that to you. I said, "I think a Roorpot boy." I was thinking, "My head to Sanne "because Sanne is a working striker. "It was coming through. It was in the U-19 at Shell. "In the time, it's funny enough, he's come through." - I had to make sure. - Yeah, and I've seen his name floated about in the press with Liverpool. I don't know if there's any way to that, but I think certainly there's a very good chance he'll play for Germany and in the European Cup this summer. You know, I was a 96-born boy, so I think that he's Germany's next striker coming through, unless France take him to play. - Yeah, I think he had mentioned to me after we did the interview, and I was a majorly taken. You know, you're always supposed to have deals and stuff like that, but you could almost imagine a trade between a Regi and Sanne. I was being part of some type of Sanne idea because I think a Regi's a good player, but I'm not sure he's going to get the game time he needs at Liverpool. Now, with the injuries and stuff, that's the way it's going tomorrow. But I think the likes of Sanne, he's more your what you'd expect clock type of striker to be. - Yeah, hard. - Physical pace. - I mean, we'd just have cosy type of... - Yeah. - Like I just won't stop working. And that guy's running in his sleep. He's running when he's in the kitchen. He's running when he's in the bathroom. He's running when he's... And he just, he just wheels don't stop. And he's really that type of industrious striker that I think that would go over well in the Merseyside. I think that, I think that, I think that you're going to see an increasing amount of those types of players coming. And with Klopp there, I don't think he's going to go in there and do like what Steve McLaren has done at Newcastle, unfortunately, or, you know, previously before with Parto, which is a wave of French players. And then we say wave of Dutch players. I don't think you're going to say a wave of German players. But I think, I do think you'll see an increasing amount, but if there's one thing I know about top young German trainers, there's nothing more that excites them than taking an 18-year-old and throwing them on the pitch and letting them play. And that isn't part of the British football culture or the Irish football culture. And that's certainly something that you're going to see more and more from Klopp. Is identifying a view talent from their own academy and from other places to say, "Hey, you know what? "Why don't we take this kid and put him on the field?" And it's even when he was at Dortmund. It wasn't the case that they were just taking say-war-pop players. Like, the talent they identified, the likes of Black er... Blanche Kolsky to kill them. And... Even for you to say, "Mother, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry." (LAUGHTER) We're not, but they blotted, even Lewandowski players. You know what I mean? These are guys who are making waves and say to polishing. I think Cravierta's going to be such an important player in the Liverpool terms, because he is Klopp's more on a scout in terms of what... Yeah, Ben Nagan was young coming through, and... - He's a lion, doesn't he? - Yeah, and several young players. I think that Klopp is a really good network. You will see German boys coming through. Don't get me wrong at all, it will definitely happen. But I don't think you're going to see it in an overwhelming wave. I think that he's definitely appreciative of any culture he's in. And I think that he'll ensure that there's a local culture to the club captain. I think he's also a smart guy to say that, "All right, "I'm happy to be here immersed in this culture, "so I want to develop this culture, "and I'm going to bring some of my own with it." So I don't think you're going to see a foreign talent coming in, but I think the ones that you do see will be, through a large extent, effective. And you know, loved by the fans. I think Emery Traum was pretty good the other night in the Europa League. If I'm not mistaken, at least the press here says he was very flexible and played well in Klopp, was happy with his performance. He's starting to develop. You can see where he hadn't been developing under Rogers. You can see his fitness levels within the space of two matches look hard on what they were previously, you know what I mean? And one of the things, one of the talk that's coming out is how the players suddenly, it's much tougher in terms of training. It's constant, it's go, it's go, it's go all the time. Like what you're saying in time, it's constant hard work, it's constant, it's about stamina, it's about aggression, it's about pace. And they're all starting to respond to that. Someone like Emery Traum is now starting to respond to it as well, so. Yeah, and he can play so many positions. He can play the outside back. I think he's been for Germany recently. He can play the center half position. He's, in my opinion, more effective in the box to box. And I guess it just depends on the day where he's going to play. But I think that players like that you're going to see increasingly play a role for a club, whatever their passport status. Well, I thought you were having spoken to you and have Emery Jeremy. I hope that an awful lot of these youngsters who are going to make the way over represent what you're good self. I think they'd be doing well. And we can have points. And it means we would get to know some things. Footballers, that would be wonderful. A nice little tie-in for everybody. So, I want to thank you very much for your time. Very enjoyable to have. Cheers. Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, so I think Cosy and Rigid is a perfect way to end this part of the discussion. Well, I was just running wheel and air and you're listening to tripper chats. Unbelievable stuff. You asked me anything about Liverpool, FC. I will answer it immediately. I'm an encyclopedia. As you know, I play for Liverpool in the 1980s. What many trophies played with the likes of Kenny Daggle each game soon as? Oh, we wanted to want a team we were. We were just unbelievable. Anyway, tripper chats. Oh, just for our listeners, these were the first three words that people sent in to us when we said, "Just send in a word, spurt in, shite talk and aids." So, lots of topic to get into this. So, whiskey? Any whiskey drinkers in the room? I actually... Ah. Okay. Well, I was going to say, I bought my first glass of whiskey ever last weekend, the weekend before last. And I'd never, like, a lot of my mates would be whiskey drinkers and what everyone wrote and I'm always like, "That's wanky." But I was at an engagement party and your man who's getting married said, "What do you haven't?" And he said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's just ruin something back there." Yeah. Last night we had a discussion on what's up there. Some of these baby is born. Yeah. You do not agree. We're buying the baby a present. No. But you went to an engagement party. Yeah. Because I was going to get drunk. There was something in a party. Last weekend I got to my present. Can I get to my present? No. So I just went and drank with them. They had to go on. They were just... That's all I was saying. I just went and drank. Sorry. And the guy getting engaged bought you a whiskey. No, no, no. I bought him a whiskey. I bought him a drink. So you asked him what he was having. And I said, "What are you having?" And there was some fucking 12-year-old scotch. And he says, "I'll have a glass of that." So I was like, "How fucking scabby?" Not only because he's helping in a game with me. He wants a 20 or a glass of fucking whiskey. Well, we had one each. So yeah, that was my first ever one. How did you drink it? I drank it but one cube of ice. Yeah. That's all. How did you drink it? See, this is the problem. I've never been a whiskey drinker. So I sifted and tried to let the flavor in my mouth. So did I enjoy it? Anyway, so what I drank, which is if there's anyone listening who kind of fancies this whole image of having a whiskey in the room, try a Glen Fiddick. It's only about 12-year-old. It really requires you could pay 20 or it's a tenor actually. Well, if anyone from Glen Fiddick is listening and wants to send us some free bottles, that would be greatly appreciated. Okay. Fair enough. Philip Murray wants to know, Andy, if you ever, when you were younger, practice kissing. Every bloke at some stage, every person has probably practiced kissing at some stage. Like when you were ten, I'm like, "What, where?" I'm honestly going to have it back in the hand. Back in the hand? I don't think I did. Because from a very early age, I was in a band and I was in a relationship. No, no, no, in a band, but you don't get a chance to really practice because it's going on from an early age. Like, will you meet her? Will you do this? Will you do that? It's 80 kids, blokes, and girls stuck together. You know what I mean? It just happens. It just happens. You're practicing. Yeah, you're practicing, but you're practicing with some other 11-year-old who's equally as shit as you are at it. You know what I mean? See, you don't remember ever. I genuinely don't. I don't remember. I don't remember just practicing myself in conversations with your 10-year-old. Do you practice? Oh, yeah. How do you practice? And then they start wearing the back of the handout themselves, and they're like, "Well, how did you do a friendship?" And then they start sticking the tongue out and the whole, like, and breaking them down. I mean, the whole kissing thing back then was like, there was high criticism out there. There was. Didn't one of you know it was the bloke of kisses, like, "Oh, actually, it's like me." Especially when you're having a game of, like, kiss, taste and all that. So, if you were, I'd spin the bottle. If you weren't physically practicing, I wouldn't say I've physically practiced, but I'd probably practiced in my head, like, probably in my head, "Oh, don't do that with like the washing machine." I'd be a little here. I'd be sloppy and I'll like, "So, yeah, maybe practice." I remember, I remember being quite young and being asked to meet this young one up at the back of Casa Villards, up off the Cronan Road. And so we all went up to play snook or a playpool, you know, and obviously then it was sort of orchestrated. You know, this whole fucking scenario and I remember kissing and starting to kiss her. And as soon as I started kissing her, she started homing, right? So, you know, the whole head tilt goes, because remember when you used to kiss people, your head would say the same way, but you'd say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So anyway, I fucking gave the old clothes and the eyes tilt the head, go in for the kill. And as we started the kiss, she's talking. So, wait a minute, I'm going, I'm going, I'll just go with it for a second and see what happens here, right? So, she's... Right, well, she's kissing me. So I'm like, "Now fuck this, this is too straight." So I stopped. And I'm sort of like, "Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm grand, I'm grand, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, we go again, we're gonna get the tail to the head by getting again." Mm-hmm. Trio Cajun, she's down at home and we were kissing. And I just went, "Ah, listen, I'm gonna head back into the house." I was fucking, "Bail, no, that was only about 12, you know what I mean?" But I still to this day, it sticks with me, it's been the fucking probably the weirdest kissing experience. You know, you know, like, clashy teeth. It's like, if they really go in, like everyone's different to suppose, but when they got it, and then they bash teeth and it's like, they're going, "Oh, geez, that's the fuck with you." Mind the death love. Yeah, it's like, not what we tongue in there. Just smashing around. I'm not going to the ball there as well, like after being in fucking one of the discos, what was it? Locos? Nah, nah, nah. This is your, this is your, uh, Fox, all right. Chewles, Chewles have one as well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, myself and you make where we're these young ones, and then we met up with the ball. I went around the back of the ball, and I was just two minutes there. Like, you just hear your one, and you make, like, any of my own girls. You dirty, bastard, fuck off. And I'm real, and everything. I have to walk this way. Well, what happened was, you ran to, uh, chillin' here radio, I must go. Yeah, she says, yeah. Put it down. Get your hand down. And he ran down. [laughter] Hey, boss. [laughter] All right. [laughter] She's just wanted to tell her jumper. Yeah, maybe he thought that was an invitation. Oh, geez, she's forward. [laughter] That's when he came up there. And I might try a traverse. Just to talk here with a very serious voice, and emphasize some of the really important things that I want to say. You have to talk very, very soft, very certain words. [laughter] All right, Peter. Oh! [coughing] Sorry, that's... Oh. Jay's getting excited. No? It's a deep voice, yeah. Sorry. Right, so, um, Zombie Apocalypse Andy, who's forced eating? In the trippers. What? Zombie Apocalypse, who's forced eating? If there was a Zombie Apocalypse who forced eating? Yeah. Why would you be eating people? Like, in a zombie? I don't get the question. But a zombie's getting those like? Why not fuckin' out, right? So, why are you a zombie and you have to eat someone? Eh. Who asked the question? I don't get the question. I don't get any. Alex Barallero. If you were a Zombie, that would probably be better. Okay. I'd eat Steve. You'd eat Steve. Yeah. But he does eat noise food, so he'd eat noise food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know when you feed the cows, the beer and stuff like that. It's like a... Cannibals, uh, say. [laughter] Literally, like, cannibals, because you need to... If you're a cannibal. Yeah. You would say that a human's flesh, a human's meat is the best you can eat. Yeah. Yeah. You'd avoid that. Fact. You'd have to go for Steve because he eats well. He eats well, and he eats tasty food with some voices and stuff. Yeah, and he likes cake and that. So he'd be a bit sweet in his stores. [laughter] Does Mrs. Makes Loise Cake and he eats lots of cake? Yeah. Yeah. That's how the cake says she makes. She's, uh, she's mad at the break and, yeah. Yeah. She wants to eat little cakes. Eh. A boulangerie. A boulangerie. [laughter] That's, yeah. [laughter] That's not selling cake. I was like, what? She could do that at the back. [laughter] She could make G-string cakes. Steve, as Mrs. If you're listening to Carol, G-string's cakes and selling knickers at the back. Happy days, downtown. Right. Um, let me see. Oh. Are we all answering a what? Have you done a good one? Well, I go with Paul Brenton. Go on, Brenton. Because he tastes of KFC and gravy. [laughter] [laughter] All right. Triple shots. So, fortunately from Sydney, darned. Ooh. Signed orange. Um, Andy, do we taste the chicken? What? Do we, as in humans, taste the chicken? Taste of chicken. Do we taste of chicken? Yeah. No. I think it tastes like, eh, they're going to sell like a taste of human. [laughter] It's just a little nibble in the back of the album. It's hard to taste like pork. It's meant to taste like pork. Yeah. Isn't it? Mm. [laughter] Yeah. All right. All right. All this question, Rhee. [laughter] What are you, are you looking at all koi or something like that? I hear my flesh. What are you having? Don't noise. [laughter] Plenty of tears and all that. Would you have a taste? You know, once in your life. Would you taste it just to see how curiosity. Oh, he wouldn't, but I would do the alloying thing. If it meant me doing it fucking happily, all yours fuckers. [laughter] Very happily. Yes. [laughter] Let me just knock it out. I'm unwilling to go if I had a taste of oil. We'd be in a plague rush. We wouldn't even have to sip that off. [laughter] I know, right? [laughter] This is the one who's saying fuckers. [laughter] [laughter] Rhee, get off me, Toyo. I'm not dead yet. [laughter] Can I show that last one? I've lasted three days with you. [laughter] I've eaten every good thing. [laughter] It's something about all the qualifiers, cannibalism. Like, just have a taste. Not someone that calls around doing this for all of the crackling. No, it's cannibalism. I think if you eat that other person. [laughter] It sounds easy. Okay, so say you're not the... There's a cannibal there. [laughter] It's happening. It's happening either way. [laughter] He is eating that leg. He's eating that leg. It's happening. There's no one you can do with a stopping. Would you like a little soy? Like, it's just a taste. [laughter] That's it. No one else there. Let me go. That's so cannibal. To have a little taste. Yeah. If there's someone there doing a lighter caulk and they say, "Do you want some caulk?" Yeah, I'll have a little taste. That means you take caulk. No, it means you take caulk. It doesn't mean you're like a drug addict. I didn't say you were a drug addict. I didn't say you were a drug addict. Okay, so if someone... Yeah, you wouldn't be a drug addict to them. Is that what you're saying? No. Say you're not accountable. [laughter] Build! Yeah. It's not. You're accountable to someone that eats another person. You eat them all the time. Yeah. Just eat them all the time. Yeah, I don't think you're a quantum for you. So you're saying if you have a little tiny bit, you're not going to have a big toy. Some of those experiment drugs may be taken one little bit of caulk, one bit of cannabis. They're not a drug used. They're just someone who's maybe had a dabble. All right. Some of who use drugs. Some of who use drugs. I would describe as someone who regularly uses drugs on a regular basis. It's a cannibal that eats human flesh on a regular basis. So you think it's regularity that makes you accountable? Yes. It's frequency. So there's a threshold here. How many times do you have to be accountable? Say you dare to be a boy accident. [laughter] Would you go around and tell me if you're accountable, man? I wouldn't tell people, but I wouldn't be accountable. [laughter] You wouldn't. [laughter] You wouldn't. [laughter] If someone saw me, I'm going to slow you without a note. I then told you. I then told you. I didn't tell you. I didn't tell you. I didn't tell you. Would you make yourself sick and then like say. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give a shit. [laughter] So you would be accountable. That's fine with you. Yeah, it's absolutely fine. [laughter] Oh, no. I love you all. It's a very little, and you'd be able to tell you if it tastes the chicken, right? [laughter] It's right. [laughter] Would you not be curious? [laughter] I would eat that as well, but it would make you accountable. That's fine. You're okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, no, it's you. Yeah. It doesn't make it accountable. No. I'm sure if you look up accountable in the dictionary, it's easy to eat. It's easy to eat. It's never hell much easier. On these words, it says, if you eat the same species as yourself, even that much, the soy's your thing and then you're accountable. I don't understand why there's a quantity out of it. But people eat their fingernails all the time. That doesn't make them accountable. Yeah, go point. I don't think it's, I don't think eating fingernails counts. I think it's meat. I know, hang on a second. Yeah. Now we're saying that if you... Okay, now the big girls go and they kiss their mates. Yeah. When they're drunk. Yeah. Are they lesbians then? It's not the same thing. [laughter] It is. Be in a cat, don't you? I won't kiss the fingernails. The fingernails, my bang, lesbian. [laughter] No, no, no, no, no. It's off the table, you don't. No, it's a question. That's a lesbian then. It's too bad. It's not even a go round these days. It's not people. It can't. They can't just lay for people like that. [laughter] It'd be very unfair, wouldn't it? You think it's unfair to someone ain't another person. It would be called a carnival. Only a mill, but it could be a little bit. They didn't eat anyway. How would you get here? How would you get here? How would you get a little bit? I don't understand. Give me the scenario. You're in company. Yeah. Right? And a guy, someone you know is going... Yeah, a party. Just a bit like a party. Andy. What are the guests going missing? Yeah. The next minute they're on the train. And the guy goes, Andy, you don't have to do anything. But I'm going to eat this guy. [laughter] And then I get into it and it looks nice and he goes... [laughter] Do a little bit. No. You're going to take and try this sandwich and use H.A. Yeah. Okay. Here's the scenario. You may want me into a new house, new housemates. And you know, someone's making dinner. And then they've got a plate of meat and veg. And you go, "Cheers. What's that?" And they go, "It's a human leg." [laughter] And you go, "You go, "Why are you all right? You're a cow." And they go, "Yeah, yeah." [laughter] But I like to try it. That's the situation. And you're a cow. You're a cow. You're a cow. Would it make me a cow? And then you go, "No." [laughter] They're just having a little taste. A little taste. A little corner. A little corner. [laughter] What do you do? I'm so comfortable. What do you do? I don't know. What do you do? You make it up, people. You pack up your argument. [laughter] And you're taking the word of accountable. [laughter] Does that make you accountable? No. No. No. So everyone has a bit of marriage. Jesus Christ. See, Burger King looking to sell booze as well. Yeah. Yeah. But that's kind of fucking open doors. [laughter] I wish you had the book. I changed everything. I don't know if the book. No. I said I walked the book. I worked the Burger King. I worked the Burger King as well. Yeah. Yeah. Which one are you walking? Anyway. Sure. I worked at a few. But have you seen the number of dollars out of it? But if you go in and order the spicy one, they get this trampy girl. Yeah. What's that about? What's that about? Just like, if you order this, we'll get the dirty burgers. She looks like a massive. If you order a cheeseburger this night. If you order a cheeseburger this nice clean person will come and make it for you. But if you want something a bit rough, a bit dirty, this bird will come and make it for you. Yeah. Oh, I walked there in Burger King. There was not much knackers walking there. I worked in Burger King. But it's different now. I think I'll, like, there's, I know, this is, it's not racist. But the most foreigners come in and they walk on McDonald's. And I prefer it. I think I can trust them all. We work disgraceful. No. Don't tell me like a horror story. Well, I mean, I'll tell you a story about that. I worked in Burger King during the 1999 Rugby World Cup. Right then. Yeah. Don't tell us where? Just outside the stadium. Right. So. I'm never going to be outside the Burger King. Allegedly. I heard this story. What are you supposed to do is you come at a seven o'clock in the morning and you'd half cook. So the burgers are cooked in a broiler, right? Yeah. It's a big thing. You put the burgers in a flame grill. So you turn that all the way up to the top. So it goes through as fast as hell. And you half cook all the burgers, put them in a box and then leave them there for, like, four hours. And then when people come in and order a fresh burger, you put them through again on the fast grind so that they fully cook and they allegedly put them. And then instead of like making the burgers with lettuce and one bowl tomatoes and another onions and another, you just put it all in one big bowl and just take a big clump of salad and throw it in. And if anyone come in and ask for, say, you know, clever burger when I pickles, you just, you just mark on it. No pickles. They built the door before they realized that no one's going to come back. I used to do a few things, like, not really. I've been mainly involved in the chips production. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I would be addition of the chips. So I used to, you know, the way you have the curtains and to be all stacked together. Now, I'd know how many I'd be doing for the day, but so as soon as I know, I'm not there. I'd go down and fire enough on the chip and put winner. So when you get to the bottom of your chips, it says winner. You have to give it so. So I used to create absolutely half a clip. [laughter] Oh, fuck it. [inaudible] [laughter] We used the large stuff like that. But I won't wear it. Here's an one of them. I walked in a test call as well when I was young, and what I used to do was, you know, the way in the fruit and veg section, you have the scales, right? And what I'd do is lean on the scales and press the most expensive button. So at the time, there's some exacting fruit, whatever it was. And you get a little barcode out for about, like, 99 pound. [laughter] Quarter half of this is, let's go around the shop and put on lipops. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] That's 300, and so how won't skip me shopping all the time [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] You're asked a boy in a hundred years worth of apricots there. [laughter] No, it didn't. [laughter] I got a lip over the pack of the smokes. [laughter] You fucking mora. [inaudible] It was a rain carbon one. And I think it was gone back years, like, me brought a tip me off. But it got around to take the sticker off the dog field, and the sticker off the beans, and swap them. [laughter] Sorry. You crack open your tin of beans, it's just dog field. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible] You're going to be a serious person. [laughter] There's going to be people that are listening to me. But I got caught for all of this, like, you know. You got fired from all of it. No, I never got fired, but I remember at the time he brought out all his scent, and he brought out a cotton on that, and he was like, oh no. What am I going to do? I don't know, he could cause it to the variation. What do you mean? Just set the, uh, compactor and forehead down the back leg. [laughter] That way he won't give a shit about you. [laughter] I didn't do that though. [laughter] But the trick with, the trick with fast food is, uh, if it's quiet, you're all right, because they're going to make it fresh. If it's busy, ask for something, if it's kind of busy, ask for something special, so that they have to make it fresh, and if it's really busy, don't fucking eat it, man. Because there's no way that's going to be anything you're going to eat. Well, we'd often play Oesaki with the boogers. That was one thing we did. [laughter] It's a big, long corridor, and if you'd have a sweep and brush up on it and sweep or shit you'd be fucking milling the boogers right down. As soon as it got soggy, like that was just sticking to the flower. Well, that was the time to cook it. [laughter] I'm used to a lot of people in the freezer all the time. [laughter] Oh my God. All right, fucking leave it there, is it? [laughter] [music] Thanks for the cue. Thanks to Astro Park here in Tala for being our genial host. You log on to Astro Park, you'll get all your info about the types of football you can play here. [music] It occurs to me that day trippers are not sponsored by MailChimp or Squarespace, and really we should fix that. So, you guys are listening out there. We're interested. [laughter] [music] Competition winner for the five times show in Dublin. David Whelan. [music] And your day trippers tonight. We're sashing the cranny, Steven, David, and the young Phil Casey, and my undead self, Trev Denny. [music] James Collard's wondering what's your guilty pleasure, something that you enjoy, that you don't really like to talk about. And now I want you to admit a nephew on the podcast. I'm definitely not sure if that's going to help you tone up the whole song. [laughter] Keep that one to yourself. Don't tell anyone that the mailman's in, okay? [laughter] I definitely edit that one out. [laughter] I just flag it there. [laughter] The Goldison Derby on Sunday lunchtime. So, what's going on here, you fuckers? What happened there? [laughter] He just went and cracked one out there. He literally leaned off the door. [laughter] It was a cake fight. Do you have a cake fight, actually? A Google cake fight. [laughter] The lemon party, the cake fight. No, I don't have a cake. No, I don't have a party. Don't Google the lemon party. The Google cake fights. [laughter] Do you have a cake fight? I have no idea what you're trying to do. No, thank Christ. Amazing. [laughter] Four cake fights online. You getting there? Yeah, what's cake fight? [laughter] You know what I'm doing now? A cake fight. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Oh, I had a problem. Oh, fucking deal with a cop. [laughter] That's your name, Christian. Isn't it? I didn't even record that. [laughter] Two for a cop. [laughter] Oh, God. [laughter] He's right there. I won't cop. [laughter] What would you put in your human leg now? What would you garnish that with? Eh, what? Would you do it like a polo? Pretty, pretty. Like a bit of polo, polo. Put it in the oven. No, actually, you know what? It wouldn't have popped. It's just a bit of salt and pepper, because if you want a taste to see what it's actually like, you don't really. Yeah. [laughter] It's not worse than putting stuff on a steak you paid. There's definitely a book in that kind of book cooking, though. [laughter] An egg with a couple of post eggs. It's really water. Hello again. Are you still listening? Strava France is here. You're the winner. If you're listening to this, you're the winner. Hashtag. Now let's see Day Troopers winner. Let's claim your prize. Thank you. [laughter] It's Strava France. [laughter] [laughter] Some cars are comfy on the inside, but don't have power on the outside. 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So the lads took the week off. But don’t fear we have a very special interview with InSoccer Agent Jeremy Dow on the life of a football agent including how they scout players and what they look for. He also gives us a unique insight on Klopp and his coaching team including a likely name on the Klopping list. To make it up for no bothering our hoops doing anything after multiple nights out we have thrown in a best of the recent trippers chats. You will not fail to enjoy the madness. Its the Daytrippers
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