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[MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] ♪ So don't wanna be a boy ♪ ♪ So I wanna be a street boy ♪ ♪ Better follow me too ♪ ♪ Clop town ♪ ♪ Don't be as if you get a girl ♪ ♪ Don't ever forget a girl ♪ ♪ It's nothing yet until you're ♪ ♪ Clop town ♪ ♪ How do you know I wanna be ♪ ♪ No, I wanna be a street boy ♪ ♪ Better follow me too ♪ ♪ Clop town ♪ ♪ Don't be as if you get a girl ♪ ♪ Don't ever forget a girl ♪ ♪ It's nothing yet until you're ♪ ♪ Clop town ♪ It's The Day Trippers. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Okay, good evening. Welcome along to tonight's podcast, as you guessed, there's no Trev, so it's myself, the Toxton for a change. And we are gonna look obviously back at the wonderful wind we've had over Chelsea at the weekend. We look forward to the Crystal Palace match and the one that I forgot about, which is Reuben Kazan. And we see then we round out with Trippers Chats and trust me, this is a belt of this week. And so joining me tonight in the bunker is J-Home, Dave Thomas and Andy Young as you'll all be thankful to hear, we're in, well, it's not the bunker, sorry, we're in the mine cave tonight, it's a new location for us to try out. You would have seen from the pictures, and I think we were all quite happy with how it turned out here. A couple of beers involved as well, so we're not gonna argue too much. Both look forced before I get on because it is, there is a reason why Trevor isn't here. He's not very well at the moment. And as you know, no, we do slag him off and slag off the fact that he's, well, we send him more IP messages and off a lot of the times, but he's genuinely on well. I'm running his Twitter account at this moment of time, so look, there's absolutely no point in tweeting anything but well wishes for them, but the well wishes will be well and truly received. We're hoping that we get trapped back in some state of form, but it is, and he is fairly sick at this moment of time. So, look, that's where it is, because I know people will be asking what's going on, what's going on with the big fella, especially after being able to send it in Germany. And as I said, hopefully, if you're gonna put send prayers or whatever, whatever your thing is, they're just good well wishes, whatever, do so, do so, and then relay them, and if you need them or you need to contact them in any way, for any meaningful reason, which is non-work related or whatever, then hit me up on the Twitter and I can pass on the messages here too. So, look, that's the one downer bit that we need to put out there. All right, gents, we got going here. So, Liverpool trade Chelsea won. It's been a while since we had such a wondrous win to get on and get over with in terms of sitting in here and what is the man cave instead of the bunker. And so, you know, we've got Jay of Dave Thomas and Avandi, probably three of the most positive lows that are on the pod normally. And why not? It's a celebration of football again. We've got our Mojo back and we're scoring goals and Catino's brilliant again. So, Andy, that was forced 20 minutes in Saturday. Did you enjoy them? Yeah, I was kind of thinking, go on into the game. This is a huge chance, like everyone else is beating Chelsea. Like, we just started looking out if we actually don't put in performance and it looks like one of those games that they kind of could find their feet again. And that's what it looked like for the forced 20 minutes. That this was a horror show for us, you know. And they were going to, you know, finally get a result that kind of looked like their season way torn around. Oh, he didn't enjoy it one bit for 20 minutes. I mean, I can enjoy it now. I'm getting back at it, you know. And what was, it was a little bit of in hindsight, it's the best thing that could have happened to us, right? Because coming back from that, I think actually is going to give us more longer to benefit than if we'd won 3-0, right? I think conceding the goal and coming back to win, psychological as a big one, go off the back. But at the time, it was very deja vu. It was very like, fuck, here we go now, you know. It's like we've conceded. And I think for about five minutes after we conceded, the heads dropped, you can see it, then crop was going, come on, come on, come on, talk, talk, get to chin up, get to chin up. But after that, after that first five minutes, I was actually pretty impressed. We played our way into the game. What was, if I was a Chelsea fan, what I'd be able to, you know, frustrated at is if they'd actually gone for it after the first goal and really attacked us, I think they could have got a second goal, because we, our asses did go a little bit. So yeah, first 20 minutes was not comfortable to watch. And Milner, during that first 20 minutes, you know, he just, he epitomized everything that was going wrong. He was a yard short of everything. He was misplacing passes and he could just feel a frustration, even for like people on Twitter, just coming right back to the Rodgers, they, ugh. - You think, with the Milner thing, like, I was watching it. And I don't think he's been playing grace at the minute. I think people are a little bit harsh on him. Probably because of the wages that he's on. That somehow acts as a stick to beat him on. You know, he didn't, you know, he didn't control the wages. It was given, but in offense, it's performance the other day, it just screamed at a player that was just having a bit of a mess. And you just got to get out. You just got to play yourself through it. This day and age, now, as soon as you start making any type of mistake, people jump on him. I think he, he was a negative in the first half. It was a really poor performance. But having been in that situation yourself, time and time, again, you just think, fuck, I'm having one today. Do you know what I mean? Him aside, the goal was exactly the type of stupid goal that we would give away. And I went into the game with a bit of optimism. I thought we were going to go there and build on what would, you know, we'd seen glimpses of in the first world games. And then we kind of threw it away. And you know, we'd live a pool at the minute. I think our record against the sort of bigger teams, especially, well, any team when we go behind isn't great. So when that went in, it sort of burst my bubble. But I'm kind of with Dave, as soon as the goal went in, Chelsea probably thought Liverpool won't come here and score. Now we can probably sit back a little bit. They can play little passes in front of us, but they're not going to penetrate us, especially with not really anyone that was looking to run in behind. But we just seem to be, we didn't panic, which Liverpool have laid, has riddled with panic. So you're very, very controlled in what we were doing. When we did give the ball away, we won it back very, very quickly. And you could see as the half went on, the confidence was growing in the lads and they started to believe in what they were doing. And I think, Michael Owen, I mean, I don't usually agree with what he says, but he said Liverpool have been by far the better team here. And it's just, they got their just rewards with the goal. Yeah, there was, as Dave says, it probably wasn't 20 minutes with this. The foresawing in Liverpool getting back into it was probably after about 15 minutes, wasn't it? You know, I'll come on to that one. We're thinking, oh, hold on, the balance is shifting in the game. And it was, oh, Jesus, I have to say, it was harder to watch whichever of our Francis. Oh, fucking yeah. I mean, like, it used to be the change after five minutes, right? That's it. You've got to go. How many times did he say, Liverpool are playing with a striker here? Oh, no. It's like... And he just kept saying it. Oh, no, over. He just said, "Stop saying that." He just said, "Stop saying that." He said, "Good, bad, no." Where's Firmino playing? Where's Firmino playing? Yeah, yeah. Holy shit. And you're like, "Okay, they're not playing with Strike, "but they're playing with someone up there. "They aren't playing with someone up there. "He has an idea, though." And you could see, like, he was completely ignoring the fact that there was somebody there. Liverpool were actually growing back into this game, and they were pushing Chelsea forward and forward back. And for the first sort of... After the sort of 15 minutes, Liverpool were pushing back, but it did look like Chelsea were like that team that could map up really easily. And I was kind of fearing that, "Jesus, if this, we don't get a goal for halftime, "the second half is just going to be more of the same, "but just keep them up and up and up and play." 'Cause you know how they can defend when they want? Well, I have to say, it wasn't just Trevor Francis, 'cause I was listening to the game on the radio, 'cause I only got to watch it afterwards. And Mark Lawrenceon from about minute tree. They need to get Ben Tekken on pitch. They need to get Ben Tekken. I don't know what they're doing. Firmino, he isn't a sensitive role. Where's he play? Where is he play? It's been six years since Barcelona played a false nine for six years. It's not like Klopp. As I said, the team's play meant like Klopp. Yeah, they've won the World Cup, but no set of forward. Yeah. I mean, even before that, Italy won the European World Cup with no proper set of forward. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, Trevor Francis. But where did he come from? He was Trevor Francis. Wait, I'm not here. He was a bit of a bit of a commentate picture. Where did he come from? He was with David Euch on the moon facing the lizard. Like obviously, I don't know who he is, but usually he's obviously the standing for Harder, right? Which is the demented old person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next, not Owen. But they, Trevor Francis, like, where did he come from? He literally said, after six minutes, I'd be getting Ben Tekken off. As if that were like a vampire option after six minutes. He must have been sitting beside Lawrenceon. Because Lawrenceon was crazy. If that was, I'd make a change now. If he's fit, he's fit enough to come on. He's fit enough to come on. Shut up, you chick. He was just there, is he, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For rest of me. I thought that was New Zealand. [LAUGHTER] Um, where was I going there, that one? Oh, yeah. It was when he got to speak. It was like he taught that Dave Justin voted God on to the show. He was delivering every fucking sentence. He said, like, a prophecy. These pauses, like, and he'd be saying stupidly. But, you know, what they need to do is, first a ball, into the head, the ball, and chances be created. I mean, he's picturing everyone at home going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm clap watching the backlist and he was kind of just saying, that fucking where I went wrong. Nobody's even saying things like, now what club must be thinking here? Yeah. Club must be thinking. Is I need to get Ben Tekken off? If he's not thinking that, I have no idea. But the best thing was when he said, you know, when I manage, well, I haven't actually managed to end a long time. [LAUGHTER] I knew it. Surely, at that point, he went, ah, shit, I'm digging a hole here. Why haven't I managed? Yeah, because I'm useless, ah, shit. Just shut up now. Yeah. That's what he showed it on. When Michael Owen is the sensible one. I know something. Do you better? Oh, yeah. Do you better bad Dave? I can't remember what Michael Owen said, but he said it and I went, fucking yes! [LAUGHTER] Yes! [LAUGHTER] But Jesus Christ, I was like, I was like, I just, I was listening to him and I was like, who is that? Trevor! Trevor! [LAUGHTER] Fucking it. What was, was Jamie Francis busy or something? [LAUGHTER] What the fuck happened? Like, you know? [LAUGHTER] I like that's bringing it back onto the match itself. We don't really have to, but the, um, looking at the two fallbacks, I suppose, in that time, top reign was a little bit out of siege during the game itself. He had a ball. Yeah, he was thrown off, but Klein was easily done as well for the girl, like, and I don't want to be too harsh, not because he'd been very good. Do a little bit of say, it's mini-lay, as much as he gets a hand onto it, he's down and he doesn't, a strong hand puts that around the post and given the form in terms of shut stuff and he's been making recently, I would have expected him to save the header. I mean, it's the type of goal, it's the type of goal that I think, you know, you watch it back enough. I think there's three or four places that you go. We should be better there. There's no way you should get to that ball. I mean, it was a little unlucky, but he's poor because he should win the tackle, but the tackle runs into a cross-in-area. Klein's vacated the fallback area. Moreno switches off and no midfield attracts Ramirez into the box, and mini-lay arguably could do better. So there's four or five different phases, a play where you could say, I think Sean should be better than that. I think it was Emergent, who just watched Ramirez running the box. And even if he's not going to get there, I think he's going to go with him because he puts Ramirez off, and it might just wake Moreno up as well, or fuck what's happening here. But I don't know what Moreno was thinking. I mean, I think I know what he was thinking. All right, Trevor, tap. Well, you see, I think you thought you could just shield the ball. I think you thought you would, that inexperienced, that naive, that you think, oh, you can just kind of get in the way of just to find out that's wrong enough, or this midfield that's running a full pelt into the box, so he can get in his way. That my way of just starting moving across me enough for him to say, oh, I, you know, I'm bottled ahead a little bit. But when you're running into the box like that, he was so flat-footed. Yeah. I think that was the main thing is that he planted himself and his head was on a swivel. So you could see, like you could see that guy coming, but you've got to react quick. He planted himself. Elvis way. Yeah. Where he had to go hard, got across him and invest in it. When you're in that fucking position, you just have to, you have to commit to the bar yourself. See, but these type of things went, like, because we do have a habit of making these silly mistakes, it screamed the type of goal where the labs just weren't switched on. You know, first five, ten minutes of a game, you know, they weren't clued in. There was a collective number of mistakes, as you said, people running off, people, these are easily fixed. So, and you know, I don't mind them so much, because especially when you've got someone like Clopp as a manager, he will get rid of those mistakes. Yeah. And that's just time on the train of field. That's putting your arm around the rainbow that he likes to do a lot. And these are the, you know, as I said, these, these will get fixed pretty quick. You see, it's so often like one time it's still out on the bus at the start of a game. Like it happens so often, whereas a lot of big games, like Liverpool and Chelsea, the other team are too busy feeling, you know, to punish you for an unfortunate, we got punished whenever it's going to go. Yeah. And I feel like we're going to need to have a bit of a section on this pod called Fallback Corner, right? Because the reality is we're asking so much of these players, you know, I'd left back and right back. Clying up, you know, there are going to be moments every game that they just, they just not bad. They can't be too close. They can't. Now that I'm not excusing Moreno, that's basic stuff, right? But I just think in the game, actually, if you take that first five minutes out of it, I thought both fallbacks were tremendous, actually. I thought, yeah, I thought climbing was brilliant and I thought Moreno was very good as well. But that system where clubs like basically expected them to be everything down the touch line, they are going to switch off and they're going to get cold in behind and they're going to be positionally. I don't remember last year when Rodgers was playing Moreno, left wing back and his responsibility wasn't the right, the forward, forward, right hand to a player for him. Yeah. It was the, it was the right back that was coming up. Yeah. And people were constantly blamed on things and thought it, now it's changed, now he's the left back and his responsibility is to get back. So he will get exposed as a left back. You're going to have simply from last year, well, if you want to kind of perform and you want to stay in his team, like these are the things you're going to have to do. I mean, the other thing is as well is that, you know, underclock, we've considered three goals in five games with the same personnel, you know, that we were considered to a game on the Roger. So he has in fairness tightened that unit up a lot. And I think that, you know, we'll talk about the midfield, but I think the midfield is the real key. You know, it was funny. I was, I saw that. I was listening to a very well known journalist who was on this TV show and he was saying that Klopp's biggest challenge is being able to sort out a midfield because Liverpool don't have a midfield. But I think if you watch that midfield is Chelsea, I mean, that was an unbelievable midfield performance. That's one of the best midfield performances I've seen as, I don't, I can't remember the last, but I'm going to throw a segue in here. Yeah. Yeah. Just. So, I noticed that there's a segue going in here. Well, let's start the Lucas wonk because let's be honest about it, right? Yeah. I have no faith in him as a footballer, but boy, Jesus, whatever club is the only terms of the hoax and the cases and the chats and the whole law, it's spectacular. Like, he looks a player reborn, the big thing for me with him is that all of a sudden he looks to have a new level of fitness that he didn't have before. You know, I used to, I was slagging off for 26 minutes. He's now gone for 90 minutes. I think that if you didn't know that was Lucas, and if it was just a central midfield that we'd signed and he put that performance in, we don't think we just signed a 25 million pound central midfielder. He was, and I'm not Lucas's fan at all, I have said for a long time, but if you start Lucas, we'll lose right, basically that was, but he was immense, and he has been very good in all of Klopp's games, but he was immense in this game. Absolutely fantastic. Yeah. First everything, won everything, great passing, great engine, broke play up. You know, that did the simple things never panic. He was just. But he's doing something that he hasn't done before where he's setting the tempo for the rest of the team. So when you're saying about he's breaking things up, like he's so sharp into the tackles, and he's not doing as Lucas tackles as much where he's diving in and giving away free kicks. He's staying on his feet, and he's winning the ball, and he's doing this kick. He's doing close turns. I know. In the middle of the pitch. Come on now. I mean, you had a chance with a header. Yeah. That's never even happened. You beat Zuma in the air. That hasn't happened since he was a bit of farting. I don't know. I can't present. We're at the role of a foul on this one. Do you know what this stems from? Well, this is literally just having a manager that believes in you. You know, since Klopp's come in, he's given him a little bit of responsibility. You know, he's a senior member of the squad by all accounts. He's Moreno's translator, you know, like, you know, he's a senior member of the squad. He said, look, get in there. Do what you go that. And Lucas is always good at nicking the ball. He's good in the air. And I think he's better at passing the people giving credit for, and he's a bit more progressive in his passing now. He's threading balls through into feet rather than doing the crab, stuff, side to side. And as I think Dave said, there is not doing the stupid running over commit, not win the tackle or give away stupid fouls. He's a lot more controlled in what he's doing, which is given as a platform. Because I think as well, and I've said this on other parts is Emre has all the ability in the world. I think with Emre, he lacks a little bit of tactical discipline sometimes. And I think with Lucas alongside him, it can sort of free up Emre to do the stuff that he's good at. Well, here's what I'd say, because I think having watched the game three times now, I think part of the reason Lucas is so good is because of Emre, you know, so every image under stupid things, and they're really visible, stupid things that usually try to be too many players or given a bad pass. But the amount of running he does and the cover in work that he does, it means that Lucas isn't worried about getting exposed. I know you're saying he's not tactic. I actually think Emre is more tactically switched on than we think he is. I actually think they work in tandem and that four, two, three ones formation with Lucas slightly deeper than Emre Jean on the left, but Emre Jean covering and coming in and like I think in the first 10 minutes, the balls get played around our back between Minilay, the two center halves and whatever, and Lucas is under pressure. And all of a sudden, I don't know where Emre Jean comes in, takes the ball, lays it off by my bank. He is actually, if you watch just his performance, you'll see how much he contributes to what Lucas did. Both of them together were really, really strong. Emre Jean, I'm taking it off from Lucas. Which thoughts? Yeah, yeah. I mean, like with the frustrating thing about John as he kind of seems, seems, we don't know what Clap is trying to do, but sometimes he seems like he's on his own mission, but he's doing his own thing. He wants to force, he wants to force the game, he wants to be a hero. You know, he goes in these runs that aren't really beneficial to the team. You know, even if he beats his man, it's, the team aren't moving forward together, do you know what I mean? Like they're not moving as a unit. It's just him doing his own thing, you know, trying to over impress. So do you think that, sorry, do you not think that like, territory really, he's doing the right thing though? I know that's a really, like he's, there's ways to gain yardage, right? And one of the ways you do it is you carry the ball, 25 yards, and even if you lose it, you're 25 yards further away from your goal, rather than trying to. Yeah, but you lose it. Yeah, but you lose, he's running ahead of everybody. You know what I mean? Like when a player is running with the ball, not in full control, and there's two or three players running to ours and people don't have the tendency to move forward because they know the ball's coming back on top of them. So you know, the ball's the ball, it's going forward to get a pass off when they know it's not going to develop. So they stand behind, like Lucas, as you say, he's done a brilliant, like he's, he can't see screen in all of your, particularly if you're at the game, you know, it was that more when the camera's on, you won't know, but that's can't see what he's doing. But that's, that's what I find. I think it's just, but Clap's going to start that out. See, I like, I, I, I think there's things that are frustrating about him, but I like that he carries the ball. What I get frustrated about his, he did this on the ball and gives you a carry, carry the ball with a bit more purpose. Yeah. And as you say, it'll come. It's, it's like he's running into, into, in the corners, like, you know, now, look, he's not doing as much now. He's not, yeah, he has a very specific job on a Clap and, I mean, I'm sure over time it's that to understand, you know, there will be a pattern. He's got, he's not going to tolerate John doing his awning. So we'll know if he stays on the team once Henderson's back. We'll know if he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. But look, he played with the fucking, the whole team playing well. That's, that's very good. They, they did perform well. I think what helped us as well. I know, I don't know what you're not saying, but when I see in the Chelsea team, she's in the scene, Mikhail, on the team, she's like, he's very, very static. And I thought midfield wise, if you've got players like Phil dropping off into pockets, if you've got Lalana, who's been clever and clever and bright, in and around, Mikhail, who's very, very static, I thought that could have been something that we could have got on. You could see as the first half was going on, especially as Firmino was dropping off. Using those areas, you had three bright players with Milner using that hook in the touchline that were all in and around Mikhail, and he just looked lost. You know what I mean? And it was, it was a start point for a lot of our attacks. Well, that's why the complaining about the lack of a forward option was so stupid because it was clearly intended to win that midfield battle and to win the area around Mikhail. Yeah. Because you had Firmino, Lalana, Milner, Emmerjan, Lucas, you know, all of these players dropping in their Coutinho. Yeah. Just play it around Mikhail because he can't move. Well, the funny thing about Milner, really, he spent most of his time writing on the touch line. Yeah. I suppose just there, you know, open space, like, you know, there's no point in, um, creating a big, like, you know, if you want to tack down the middle, yes, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so many, so much space and so many balls went down the outside. He was up against it. But you know, let's, let's, let's look at that forward sort of four because I would put Milner in, in, as part of the forward floor. Yeah. I was to being in, you know, two boys, right? Um, like we, we can't say that there isn't spectacular amounts of movement because those lads just interchange and I'll take it, even though Trevor Francis wasn't able to deal with the way Firmino was playing. Just say, I need a good Laurel because he's not, he's just not up top, he's not in the number nine position, but he's not meant to be in the number nine position, he's meant to float around, he's meant to create space, but again, players that are reveling under a club. Well, I'm gonna say Atlanta. Yeah. He's being transformed. Like, you know, club seems to understand how to get the best out of Atlanta in terms of that. This fella isn't a classic number 10, he's not a number eight, he's not a number seven, but if you put him in a mobile front four, he'll play wherever you ask him to play, he'll find gaps, he'll try to work in gaps, his final ball still needs to be improved. And then similarly, continue, didn't have a great forced half. He didn't have a great game, that's very easy, but again, he comes up with the goals. And then, then you look at Firmino, who is now starting to find his way, and you can see what he is. A little touch as you can see. A little touch as I can. And you know, as he gets better, as he comes more and more and more to the game, yeah. I mean, I don't think Atlanta gets in our strongest team, you know, I don't think there's such that we're never gonna all have them fit anyway. The thing with Atlanta, pros of Atlanta is his movement is fantastic. He does have two good feet. And I know everyone says that all the time, people get frustrated with it, and he doesn't lose the ball. Like that's a big thing. He holds the ball up. Now the downside of him holding a ball up all the time is he's perhaps not as quick with his pass, and he hasn't got a yard of pace. And I still think he's not enough of like a killer to go and score a goal. But in that front four, where you've got, you know, Firmino, I thought with excellent continue, I agree with Andy, I don't think he was great outside of what he did outside of the goals. But I actually think that Atlanta is a really important player for Klopp, because he seems to have strayed away like got what Klopp wants him to do. Yeah. Like straight away presses all the time, his high energy, and he's good with it. He did the step over for Latinos. I think he did it twice, did he do it for two days? So like, I mean, as a machine, you know, club's machine so far, Atlanta's being a very important part. Yeah. Catenials being very patchy. Yeah. You need to pop him on the pitch. In fact, what's probably going to end up happening with Atlanta is he's not going to be able to produce the final product that would allow to stay in the team, because he's not as deadly. And if it comes down between Catenial and Atlanta, who are you going to leave in the team? Yeah. You want to have more goals on the pitch? I think that's the one that, yeah, I think, you know, for a regular starter, the one thing he lacks is consistent goals and assists. I think what he struggled with, when he's put out wide, he hasn't got pace. So when he hasn't got pace, it's very, very difficult for him to beat a man. You know, he's quite easy to mark. He does a lot of twists and turns, but he doesn't actually get anywhere. Yeah. Whereas I think what worked very well, even if one of them is our form, which I don't think Catenial in the first half was great, the fact that they can swap and change and then Atlanta can drift into a central role where he likes to be. And Catenial can quite easily go out, you know, out left or outright or wherever it be. That would be very, very difficult for the opposition to mark. And especially when you see somebody like Ben Tekke coming on in the second half, there's so many different things for centre backs and defensive midfield. There's a light to think about in there. It gives us so many options to go for. Yeah. The only thing with Atlanta that I think, if you're playing against him, you just keep him in front of you. You know what I mean? Like, I think he's a little easier. You know he's never going to spin off the back of you. He hasn't got the pace to go and do that. But so I think in some ways, we need someone who's going to run in behind that. I think that's what Henderson brings or that's what Sturridge brings and that's what Fimino brings, because Atlanta doesn't do that enough. And what he does do it, he's just not a killer. But actually, I'm surprised people didn't talk more about this. I actually thought it was Volley, the big of which saves the Cahill gets injured. I actually thought that was a great chance and he did really well there. He played the initial head out the middle now, but then the cross comes in and he catches him and is left for it. If that goes in, that's a hell of a go. But even on the Techies goal, he's the one that's playing the pass and so on. So look, you know, when you look at him, let's talk about Catino's two goals, because they are match-changing events. They are really match-changing events, like, you know, we've we've we're a bit of a storm initially with Chelsea, you know, they've missed another good chance after the goal as well. We could have been two down. We weren't. Josay's heading down the tunnel thinking that he's going in at one o'clock. Fucking cock. Has a turn to look around and there's Phil shaping up. He's got the shoulders, he kicks inside. That's taken. He's not going to hit this on his weaknesses. But don't. Yeah. The net just rattles. It's fucking spectacular. It's it's it's it's great, isn't it? Yeah, it did have, like, we were only talking there and we sat up there before and it was it was probably since the city game, since I let a really decent raw scream after scoring goals was then continue goals, like, you know, it was that sort of enjoyable. Yeah, relief in a game that, you know, I'll be honest, I'm a 30 year old man and I did a knee slide in the house. Yeah. You're it. And tell us, Kelly, if you're listening, Jamie, it's new campus. But it is. It's it's it's it's classic continue. Yeah. Well, it was a stuff day. It was a sort of stuff. Cause you know, you know, the goals going in and you're celebrating and all you can think of is, you know, all our teams and all our fans starting to look at Liverpool again and going, you know, they're going to do damage here again, look, that's pulling off a bit of quality like that. We didn't do it all last season. We didn't excite us at all last season. You know, it was back to that city game, but isn't the significant, isn't the significance even a little bigger? Because, you know, continue is a bit of a talisman from us, whether we, whether people agree with it or not, he is, right? So, you know, if continue is doing something for us, we tend to get a result or something out of the game. And, you know, to score when he does, to pop up with the goal when he does, because he was having a bad force to have, let's be honest, but I don't think there was any one of us that were talking during the match that says, I take continue off at this rate. Because he's of the front four, he was the one that was having the least impact on the game. I mean, if we're sitting there, he's coming off, we've been taking it half time, you know, and Trevor Francis of Rio, which is, I think that first of all, I think prior to continue his goal, I didn't, I felt like it was coming. I felt like we were actually playing well, you know, we were actually pretty for the first time in the club, I felt like we had a recognizable style of play in the attacking third, we were playing nice little balls, final ball or the touch in the box, but we had a lot of touches in the box in the first half where you actually think, fuck, if storage is on the end, that he takes one, then he buries it. Like, you know, we had a couple of those where you were like, actually, you know, we were close to creating some good stuff. And then that's a great goal. I mean, that's a great goal. I mean, fucking Ramirez is out in touch, you know what I mean, from the dummy, he just sells him completely. And the best bit about the goal is Terry's lunch, to stop it going in, but it's a fantastic goal for continuing. You could feel the weight just coming off him. Yeah. I think the pleasing thing for me is like, of late when it seems what's Liverpool, we play all the right stuff, but we've lacked that cutting edge for so long and momentum is so key in games and we never seem to score at the moments where we need the goal. You really need to score. And that was that moment, you know, we needed a goal for when you worry if we go in one down. Yeah, exactly. I haven't played before, but we did. I was really, really concerned that that would happen because they thought that Chelsea could see itself. Yeah. But we just started mucking up. The whole mentality of the game shifts, if we go in one-nil down, Chelsea regrouped, they get, you know, they're boys. It's a wonky of a shit. Like, remember, it's 18-16. Yeah. That's what it is. Exactly. We had all the ball, they had all the pressure. But they just mop, mop, mop, and they, you know, Rogers, we didn't mind a lack the ideas. They, it was just concierge balls into the box that weren't going to, you know, trouble turn your thing. Yeah. Whoever was there. I could not turn his round then. I would imagine half-time, he says, "Laz, these year for the taking." Yeah. Yeah. It's just Boston for 24 minutes. Yeah. You've got a goal. We're level. Imagine what they feel like in the dressing room right now. I say they're out on their feet. Yeah. And we come out to, actually, just to start the second up pretty well, actually, like, you know, like, they that are wrong. They did. They did. Unfortunately, they did. But we, again, we weathered up with a pressure that comes on to the start of the second half. We go down again. Exactly. It fell very short. But it didn't. Yeah. It didn't feel. And this is, I think, your club's done as well, though, right? You don't feel like we're going to concede. No. Like, when we went to one up, I said, I, I was like, we won't concede now. That's it. We'll win. We were just so controlled in everything that we were doing. Yeah. That was the team that was most pleasing for me. I've never, I've never gone to Stanford Bridge and seen us be so composed in what we were doing. And you can see, when club, if we do make a mistake, he's very much, get your chin up. And keep going. Keep doing it. Don't be afraid to make a mistake. And if you get this drilled into your time and time again, the lads are going to be completely free to go and express themselves and have a bit of belief. But you feel like he's kind of said, there'll be teams that are better than you, but nobody will work harder than you. Yeah. And if you get beat, it won't be because you didn't work hard enough. Yeah. But look at it. And with the second goal, like at that stage, the deflation that's in the Chelsea team is just unbelievable. Like, you know, you know that they're shot unless something miraculous happens, like, when Kosta has had such a quiet game, and I know it was the hole for all over, you know, Luke should have been sent out. But then again, Kosta should have been sent off. Look, it doesn't matter unless these things happen in the game itself. And we won't. So we don't give a ball. It's really like, do you know what I mean? I was surprised he got away with the with the kick though, like retrospective action and all that. I would have thought that that was for the referee saw it though. You could see that. You've seen it because he has to put in his report that he's seen it. So then it's done. Yeah. So he's a fucking idiot putting in as a part that he's seen that he didn't like action. But that's a man. I mean, surely he got he has a quick look at that after the game and says, OK, did see something. Didn't think it was that bad. At that point, you see, don't they see if he misses it. If he says he misses it, then they can do a retrospective. They can they can retrospect to punish Kosta, but he'll get. You might get punished thing. He goes, you know, his scores go down because you miss the game. He doesn't get the bonus. Yeah. But looking at it, right? So, you know, by the way, I didn't think it was a right. I didn't think it was a right card necessary, for Kosta, to be honest, like, it's a bit different. Yeah. In a modern game, though. He just can't do it. I'd be a big fan of trying to get 11 people, you know, keep every, you know, 11 men on both sides. Yeah. I wanted that result to be about us going there and beating 11 men. There can be no sort of, you know, excuses or anything like that. We've just gotten there, dominated their bare 11 players. No nonsense. We were better than you. And that would be the end of it. It would be to go off. Yeah. It would have been about to send it off. It would have been about, you know. I know. But look at it, right? From 2-1-0, right? So you've got continue scores again, and it was great at the flexion. I'd go ahead. Look for conflection goals. One's not again. Cigarettes off Terry. Oh, it's not right. And that's the best bit of it. Do you know what I mean? Like, you're looking at it. It's a crappy old man who's well past the book. Marineo keeps playing him because he was being rewarded for being brilliant last year. Yeah. So take it. Do you know what I mean? Oh, look at it. But it's a great goal. But he wins that header. Fucking monster header. Yeah. Sacco's ball. Yeah. Sacco. Great ball from Sacco. But he wins it. Fair play to La Lana because the good part of him not being a selfish killer is that he doesn't want to touch the ball. He goes through it twice. And then, I mean, continue. It's a very good finish because, again, he sends two players the wrong way. One thing I noticed is the change that we make to bring Ben Tackayon on the Rodgers. I don't think that change happens. No, you're so right. That doesn't happen. And that shifts. If you want to play it and you see Ben Tackayon coming on and you're playing well, you think, hold on. The manager believes that we can go on a witness, right? Come on, lads. Rodgers takes from me now off. Yeah. Oh. Rodgers takes from me now off. That was a shadow. I mean, like, sometimes I felt like I agreed what Rodgers changed because it got to the point where I could predict them. Yeah. It became my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that was a corporate in a hundred games. Not a chance. Not a chance to hate that experience. But, you know, again, you know, Ben Tackayon comes on. We get the second goal. And then he pops up in scores again. Yeah. But I guess, well, actually, you know, not only does he not take like, Rodgers would have felt that that thing worked where he left me on the ground. I mean, like, create the goal. The game previous and Ben Tackayon got the header. I also don't think he needs to change that. He just said, well, we'll throw it at one every week from now on. I've lost stops working. Well, I'm a very following game. You have the chance to do it. Clap. He didn't do it. But then, Ben Tackayon did it. Then we roll on and Ben Tackay scores as goal. Now, when I say Ben Tackay scores as goal, the importance of that goes after scoring the goal previously to it as well, right? So, you know, you're looking at a, you're looking at a guy who's now settled into the Liverpool team, despite his injuries. And he's scoring goals. And he's scoring goals. And he's scoring goals. Really good goals. Yeah. He's on with his head. And even with the, in the league cup games, remember the one that he slid past the keeper and hit the inside of the post? He could be on tree entry games now at this race. Yeah. And he's, he's actually, and I, I'm one of the guys that backed him from the start. A lot of people didn't like Ben Tackayon and Heskey. But he, he is a very hungry guy. Hungry Heskey. Hungry Heskey. He's not just like a good striker. He's a very good player. That, that goal, his touch is phenomenal. Like, you know, his awareness of where he is. The touch to move it out. The strike is very good. Yeah. But I think, if, for me, anyway, looking at him and playing now on the club, the, the signs were there in the Arsenal game and Rodgers is there. That if you don't just hump, hoop the ball into his head, yeah, there's more to his game. He wants it in defeat. Yes. He's pointing all the time. In defeat into the channels. Let me run after it. Cause he knows he's got the particular against Terry. He had Terry beat. He knew that. And he was pointing all the time. Put it in there. Cause I've got this guy on toes. Yeah. So it was, it's, it's interesting to say you, you, you're in fairness. You wear a back and on from the very beginning, but you, like, you're back. You're back. Back in the front to the side. I know it. I know it. Get out the level. Get out the level. Oh, yeah. He's the last bit. We get out the level. Once we, we saw in the, you know, look like we're sawing in me, you start looking at teams and help or walk out. Like, I mean, I, I was mad into the sign and he, once you convince yourself, once you start to see what the potential is there, you love it, you know, and put it, it's interesting. Like, you know, it's, there seems to be still this team by the telly going off. It's like a, I was messing with set up a power. I don't know anyway. I was like, what do you mean? You were messing with the telly back, like, you know, I actually couldn't believe like twenty-four percent of the people were still taken back, but it was, there was a reply. I can't remember who it was, but they said, uh, the same people that are saying, um, they won't want by the telly back and the same people that wanted by Ben Techie. As if it's, it's linked in totally unrelated. Yeah. People, people would actually want to tell you about Ben. We could have kept Ben Techie. We could have kept by the telly and he'll do what, uh, we could have kept by the telly and he'll do what Ben Techie is doing. No, totally not. No, no, no. Nothing even remotely. Get a hold here to try and do it. There's one thing that Ben Techie is, and he's a gold scorer. I don't, and I think we can all agree now at this stage that the fellow would score a gold. Whether you like a style of player or whether you like him as a player or whatever, right? He seems to be guaranteed to bang in gold for you, right? Yeah. And that's missing down the storage. Golds are going to be so important. And we've seen it in the four few games where we've had to play a Reiki because Ben Techie's been out injured. The difference that Ben Techie brings to that team is huge. Look, he's a 33 million pound strike. He should be a fucking difference, right? He should be scoring goals. I mean, he's not some, he hasn't come up from the academy, right? I mean, I don't want to go overboard either. He should be scoring goals, but he's a legitimate top class strike. I mean, are there five better strikers in the league right now? Well, if you look over the last five seasons of the season. I don't think so. It's January, I think. Er, Kane and the great old score mark goals. That's what I mean. He's in the league club. Kane is a freak. You know, and okay, Verdi is probably going to overtake him soon. But again, that's probably a bit freakish. Yeah. So around the league, there's no one really. And even Harper back to the Villadase, his scoring record was fantastic. And that's playing, you know, a lot of games you missed during playing in a really bad team that don't create a lot of chances. And they weren't all with his head. I mean, you look at the goals he scored for us. You've got an unbelievable overhead kick against Money and Ice. You've got a great finish against Chelsea. You've got an unbelievable headed goal in the cup. You know, they're such a range of goals. He's, he has got a lot. And if you look at the Arsenal game, for example, he was chasing channels. He was bringing people in to play on his feet. I think he should be on 7-7. Because he's actually, I think he's hit the post twice. He's hit the by Mr. Sitter against that. Yeah. But I was... You had the goal of maybe showing the story against bottom-up. But the one thing... The one... The one... The one... The one thing I will say, right, and it takes us on to wrap up the review because we can wrap two bits into this, right? We've started glossed around, but Big Yogi Bear, his changes. What he's doing with the team, recognising how to get the best out of the Benteke, right? You know, you can actually see, and I'll go back to your point from my ground, Dave, you can see a style emerging in this team. You can see how this team is going to play and how it's irrelevant how all the teams are going to play against us. Because we are going to go and hustle the fuck out of you. Yeah. We're going to mooch it all over the pitch. We're going to just constantly never stop fighting for the ball. We're going to fight for our lives and show our men's character when we're on that pitch and just constantly look to not let you get out. The obvious thing, we're all expected to see, was the load of music, right? Yeah. We're seeing that. It's a load of music all around. Great. But there's very simple things that have changed. The shackles are off. He's given players the confidence to... He'll accept the responsibility if something doesn't come off, so Lilane is playing a lot more of freedom. The Fence team, you know, they're a bit more carefree now, they're not afraid. And they're playing as a unit. I mean, any gold manager like it would look when we had Rafa, or like you look at Marino, all the teams play as a unit defensively and offensive. They move together, like you attack together, you defend together. That was last, like Grat 6 and 7's a lot of the time on the Rodgers, and it was exciting at times. It was exciting. It was not sustainable in any of the... I mean, that's why I suppose it was so entertaining. We were just scoring all the goals and all that. But over the term of the season, you probably won't win the league all that way. But like, imagine just being out there. And maybe bring the team back together as a unit. So, you know, they're very close together, attacking the Fence. Confidence, give them the player self-belief. And then there's all the Gegenpresten and all that, and all his own little twink things are going to... Gegenpooge, right? All the countermuchen and all that, right? That's all going to be his thing. And that's still full take time. All his kind of... his own philosophies will take time. But the instant things were just making the teams a unit and giving them confidence. And you could have done that. But I also think there is a little bit of... he would have got by in anyway, right? Because of who he is and what he's done in Dortmund, right? But, you know, it is easy and it is. It isn't as easy just to come in and say to everyone, "Okay, I'm going to need you to run further. I'm going to need to sprint more. I'm going to need you to press more." Because when the results don't come straight away, there will be people in the dressing room will go, "Okay, now, is this like we're doing all this extra stuff?" But now, they go, "Ah, right. So it's going to work." So now in the next game, when he says, "Fucking press better or run or do this or work harder," they're going to go, "Yeah, because we know this works. Because we've seen it work." And they also... I also go back, right into the Milner substitution. I think psychologically, that's so important. Because that is saying, and I think we knew this about him anyway. No one's safe. Nope. Nobody's safe. And I don't mean that bad against Milner. I don't think he was that bad. But he's going to go, "No, I'm going to do what it takes to win the game." And if that means taking you off, it'll take you off. And if that means, not starting by taking it, which we all probably would have done, right? Yeah, I'm not going to do that. And they're all going to back him now, because they're going to go, "Well, fuck yeah." It's the whole Roger's team, where he wasn't the biggest man in the club. Yeah. He looked up to players. Yeah. He looked up to several players, and he brought... When he was in jail, he brings in Milner, because he looks up to him. He's been watching him play in Premier League. He's more Premier League experience than he does himself. Yeah. So, there's no way he's taking off the pitch, because he's looking to him to show him the way. Yeah, exactly. Whereas... Where's Clop's the biggest man there? Clop's like, "Well, I'm watching this game, and I'm taking it on its merits, and that's the change that needs to be made." Yeah. "I don't want someone stuck out in the line anymore. I want to make a different change, add something else into the game." And... Look at Jordan Abe. I mean, the difference in Jordan Abe in Clop versus Roger's, just in terms of his decision-making, his tactical awareness, the stuff that he's doing, his final ball is back, then he looks more aggressive. I mean, somebody... Clop's like his dad, isn't he? Yeah, well, he's going to say a few people, a few ex-players have said he's like a father figure, and you can see he's not afraid to give you a ballerkin. Yeah. You know, he gives you bags full of belief. You can see he's gone from giving him a slap on the face to then just see the thing with the glasses. Yeah. That's the thing. He's taking it with brilliance. He's taking it to certain players, doesn't he? And I think with Clop, like, I think, looking at the games in a row, I think you had the elements of, you know, new manager syndrome, where people like LaLana were just running for running sake, and I heard a lot of people in the media saying, "It's just the new manager effect. He's done running more." But I think when you go into the Chelsea game, you can see that it's not about just running more. It's running at the right times. Yeah. And that was the thing that I spotted. If we lost the ball, you know, in the final third or in the middle section of the pitch, we want it back within about five seconds, which is fantastic and so difficult. To play against. Because the other team is like, "Great, we've got the ball. We can relax a little bit." You know? We're straight in and we win it back again. We did that a bit on our Rodgers. I think that comes from Suarez. I think that came from Suarez as the instigator, and then everybody just follows. I mean, to be fair, to be fair to Rodgers, and as you know, I was a big fan. And I think the club is benefiting from A. I think it's benefiting from the squad. We have a squad of young fit, tactically astute smart players. It's not like he's taken over stark stress. Yeah. You know what I mean? We have a squad there, whether the committee is either Rodgers. But we have a squad there that is actually very well suited to cop. And the second thing that I think you can say about Rodgers is he wasn't a million miles away from some of Klopp's tactical ideas. You know, as you say, they're pressing, you know, fast breaks, all that kind of stuff. So I do think that there's a lot to work with. He was well, he was well trained and she earned. But it was just the execution. Yeah. I think like he, he found himself in a position where he couldn't. He didn't know what to do anymore, especially when he lost Suarez and storage at the same time to injury. Yeah. Like, he lost his way, and he didn't know what to do. But then if you look at Klopp, the one thing that I've really liked is there's no excuse, every press conference, he says the right things. Like, he never makes excuses. Like, he's had a terrible run in terms of injuries. He's never mowed once. Yeah. He's took all the pressure off every single player. Like, when he laughed off talk of the league, when he talks about things like he just want, you know, if you're studying to become a doctor and you've been doing it for three weeks, you're not going to be able to effectively diagnose a patient. You know, these are the type of things that he's saying that just removes all pressure, all focus on the club. We say, just let the players enjoy themselves. Well, it's what Merino does when Merino's doing well. Yeah. It's the Merino's like, it's all about me. That's fuck off. Yeah. I mean, that's the difference. Well, then given that we love him and we are love him, he's great. The celebrations and everything, right? Let's talk about his master change. Jan, it's the last thing we talk about. We watch the DM. We got ourselves a DM, boys. It's over at the DM. I just imagine him. How much turns do Merino? Don't go in. Watch this. [laughter] You're a ref. I'm going to make a change here. Jan, what I want you to do, right? Let's go and sit in the middle of the bar. They take a try now. [laughter] So, can we see a long-term future for an opener as a DM now? Did he even touch the ball? I don't know. Until they give you the rest of the ball. Did he need to? I don't know. Yeah. I think when Logan comes on a DM, all the fans just went home at that stage. I know you probably couldn't play there. Perhaps I'd be in a physician's there, but he's pretty good with the ball. Yeah. Look, he's not going to play the DM, but you know. He's the type of player. I mean, everyone hates him. I don't hate him. I want to see him doing well, not just because he plays for Liverpool, because I think he's the type of player that could fit him. Yeah. I think he's very comfortable at both feet. He doesn't spend time shifting the ball until you're a four. Now, I know he spreads balls thinking like that. I think that is in him. Absolutely not. I think he's one of those players. If all the ingredients around him are right, all the situations are right. If he's partnered with the right type of player, like I always say about fontite, they complimented each other perfectly. He's a good player. But if he's slightly out of his comfort zone, he's prone to dropping a ball. Yeah. I also think that when the... I love him perhaps more than most people. I agree with it. I think he's got... Like, if you were to design what a center-back looked like, it would be Dejan Lovren. He just wouldn't have Dejan Lovren's brain. Necessarily. And I think the difference is... That's my point. That Lovren... That Roger's story was buying the finished article. Whereas Lovren needs coaching. And I think he needs coaching a lot. But I think if you can coach him, which is, I think what Parchasino did at Southampton, like, coached him a lot and that's the type of person crop is, I think there's a player in there as well. But I also think Roger's killed Lovren in... When he came, he said, "This is the leader there are." Lovren wasn't the leader of Southampton, it was fontite. So then Lovren comes in and feels he has to be the leader. And he's going for headers that he wouldn't normally go for because he wants to appear dominance. I think Roger kind of sold him down there. It's a bit like me wearing it that way, we're saying about the way. Just put the voice cap to see it doesn't help him either. But let's be clear about this. Fucking Sacco is the leader of that defense. Ah, he's been brilliant. You know what I mean? And you can coach Virgil do and say, "Yeah, Skurnall was better against Chelsea in Sacco." I don't care about... No, he wasn't. Sacco is the leader of the defense. And you can see, but the fact that Klopp has handed him the iron band already, right? He's put down the mark and say, "This fella is my man at center back." I think if he was picking the captain in the Europa... Yeah, but that's only because Tori went off. Yeah, and Skurnall wasn't playing. No, Skurnall won't be getting it, ever. But he got it. He got it after... That was an accident. That was an accident. No, no, it was meant to give it to Sacco. But I do agree. I think if Klopp was picking his captain of ice captain, I'm not sure what it would actually be the captain of ice captain we have. You know, I think Sacco, Emmecan, Lukas, even Lalana. You know, he likes that. He likes that. Okay, relax. Why do you meet Lalana captain? I would genuinely do a whole pod on that. I think now, if any of us have said the backs that could move into the main field, we'll be Sacco. Yeah, Sacco is excellent. Because he is so comfortable in the world. Yeah. And he's also aware of what's going on. Yeah. Okay, so look, we've got Crystal Palace at the weekend. I'm not going to lay your team watch in the preview because that's gone. None of us ever do any research. We got a Europa League game before that, you know that. Do we, yeah? Yeah, we got a game on Thursday. Yeah. They won't work as hard a week. Yeah. Is that in the new stadium in it? See? Fuck off now. Do you hear any other things? It's the new stadium. It's the new stadium. It's the new stadium, it's the new stadium. It's really, I think, I think it's the first stadium. I don't know what to say. What's it called? Ruben Kazan Stadium. Ruben Kazan Stadium. Ruben Kazan Stadium. Kazan Field. Kazan Field. Yay! That's right. That's right. Kazan Field. Kazan Field. So we're a preview of the Europa League match. That's on Thursday. So anyway, look, we played Ruben Kazan, we drew. Do you reckon we win? I don't know what to say. But I think you played. I think the fact that, like, to share a roundout. They had a phallic guy. They had a phallic guy. They had a phallic guy. They played very good in their carlin. What's it called? Capital one. Capital one. So I think that he made a lot of changes. I think a regal probably played. You might have been taking minutes, actually. You bring Jordan Eiben, you bring Joellen in. You bring Lovren in. Probably play Randall to share it. So I think he made a lot of changes. I don't think you're going to see annoying changes like you did in the Cup. No, maybe not as many. But he might be... He played a lot. He played a lot. He played a lot. He played one of those fullbacks, is he? Yeah. I don't think he played them both. I think he will. I think he's kind of treated. Yeah. I think he probably as well, he'll go the same back far. I don't know if he'd risk, Zacho. I think he's that important. So I think with the Europa, like, to be honest, it sounds bad. I don't care too much about it because I think throughout the squad, we've got enough quality to navigate the group stage. I think we'll get through the groups. So whatever team he puts out, you know, as long as lands are getting minutes, you know, there's no reason why we shouldn't go there and get a result. Yeah. You know, we've been absolutely crap to be fair. And I think we'll be sat second in the group. We only need a point the way you read. Yeah. No, I just see it as a bonus where I can get to see, get to see us play, get to see, you know, get more shape. And whatever come the results, I still think, even if we lost this game, we'd still be able to get through. So, I don't... The group isn't particularly strong in terms of, like, everyone is just drawn. We're making it a lot strong, though. It's my only point. I mean, we haven't... We've drawn all three games so far, so... Yeah. I mean, if we won, it would add to your point. To your point, we practically be through it. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? I mean, it would be... So, we get it done then. I think we can win out there, to be honest with you, right? I don't know. We just want to move on to Chris and Madison. Yeah, because of Chris and Madison. I want this to win the Europa League, and I think... But I do think we can win out there. I think we did enough in the last game to show that we could win out there. Yeah. I think your staff has been taking this game because I think you want to get it at 60 minutes under the field. Yeah. That's what I think you might do. Yeah. I mean, storage anywhere near... Yeah. Right. I think they said it's really... In the new year. Jesus. But anyway, right. So... Have we accepted that that's not a knock on the knee now? Is there something else behind that? Because that can't just be a knock on the knee fluid on the knee. If that was just fluid in the knee, he would have been... He'd have been back already. So, there must have been something out there. Look, I hope for our sake that he is back as soon as possible, and that he gets over these injuries. But it's not uncommon. Let's be honest with you. It's not uncommon for a fellow who's had such a long-term injury from the previous season to not pick up a knock, regardless of whatever super doctors and scientists he's gone to see in the States for, you know, for what's gone on. Yeah. Look, the reality is, when you're injured, until you get back to full fitness, you're going to pick up other niggas. People debate them too much about Daniel Starridge. Daniel Starridge is worth the money if you only got 10 games a season. Yeah. Anyway, right. So, not score score predictions for Ruben. Andy? What? How many goals will you score? We get two. And many will concede. More. Okay. No, we won't concede, actually. But I can cheat now. Yeah, I can cheat. I'm with Andy. Two now. I'm with Andy. I'll give two now. Okay, grand stuff. Right. So, Crystal Palace lads. Alan Pardee is heading up to Anfield to show us what his wonder palace are going to be allowed to. Coming off the back of a good result against, you know, he intends to get in the drive. It was a forest trial season. It turns out, as far as I know. And we know Pardee will love to show that he is the boss. And so, any fears about playing them this weekend? Or are we, are we, are we finally going to see a raucous noise Janfield off the back of that Chelsea game? Um, the thing about atmospheres? As well as the atmosphere. No. But you hear a lot of talk about Anfield. And you go on Twitter and there's people giving out about the fancy. Like, there's no such thing as creating a fake atmosphere. Like, people respond. Like, it's an atmosphere is an emotional reaction. So, you don't, you don't jump up and sing and clap and stand for the game unless, unless you're enjoying yourself. Unless you're seeing something that's embarrassing you. So, like, we're not going to just see Anfield bouncing because of the Chelsea game. We'll see Anfield bouncing if 10 minutes into the game, we're goal up and we're playing excellent football. So, that's your question on the atmosphere. Well, you're in your phone. I'll get in the tripper's tattoo. Um, like, yeah, yeah. Look, it's going to be hard. He's a f***ing bastard, like, Pardio. He's caused a struggle over the years. Um, he'll know, you know, he'll know, it's like, it could be a difficult game. I think we'll win the game, but I think it could, it could be more difficult. I think it would be a difficult game. I think it would be a difficult game. They beat us all the time. They always take it. You know, like, Palace are our bogey side. You know, that's the reality. And they have been for a long time. Yeah. I mean, even at the Warnock, we got hammered by M&A. Yeah, they're for it. Purlus, we drew through that game that I still have nightmares about. But, uh, we're, this is the thing that we have now. Mm-hmm. I don't think Klopp and those players are going to be treated any different to play in Chelsea. Whereas you, we were in danger of that sometimes, you know, in the previous managers where you'd come off a great result and suddenly the, you know, he physically is just knocking on Audax. He's going to scream at them the whole fucking game. Yeah. So that's the difference, I think, is that he, he's not going to take it. And he knows you get that, he needs that win because then we got City after that. But then after City, we've got very winnable games after City. So we get a result against Palace. The City game becomes a bit of a freebie for us. And then you've got a nice run of, I think, six games where we should be looking to win. Yeah. And I think, I think Arsenal play Spurs at the weekend as well. So if we can get the result there, look at who we've played. We've played Arsenal away. We've played Evan away. We've played United away. We've played Spurs. We've got all the Chelsea. We've got all these games out of the way. And I always said, once we've got through this, sort of, crumb of victories, if we're in touching distance, and by touching distance, I mean, four, five, six points, even away from top four. That's all that. But after City, I think that's the toughest way we've got to Southampton. I think again, we've benefited. And I said it last week, I think, when I was going over, about if we can pull points between ourselves and Chelsea, we're putting ourselves in a goal position, even though we're still only trying to find our feet under club. We're going back to the point that his systems and his methods haven't bet it in properly. We're just seeing the uplift from just pure increase in work rate and trying to apply what he wants us to do. But looking at it, you know, a win here against Palace at home, it will be a hard fought win. I agree, which is, look, this is going to be a battle to get the points out of it. They're going to try to sit and catch us on the counter or whatever it is. The last thing on the way. The last thing on the way. Yeah, they're dangerous. They're dangerous. I sometimes don't like us playing at Anfield when teams come in a compact. It's very, very difficult to break us down. But I think the difference is now with Klopp is, he encourages a play as not a panic. So it doesn't matter if it's nail nail at 70 minutes. I mean, he's going to be pushing the same messages. He's going to be able to tactically review the game and make a real strong change from the bench. But we haven't really had that before. I don't think Rodgers in game management was the best at times. Whereas I think it's a different time. I worry about us a little bit down the wings. You know, Blasey and Zaha are very strong against the boys. But they're going to strike us. Yeah, Palace. They're going to forwards. Let's go. If they have, if they had Ricky Lambert, now they would be really dangerous. Yeah, very dangerous. Very dangerous. But do we reckon though, there could be a scrap on the sideline between Klopp and Paradu, if we score a goal? Because Paradu is liable to fucking go mental. I clap for jumping up and down. It's a scary fucker though. It's the laugh that he does just randomly for no reason that scares me. Do you see, I'm torn into Joe. They joined the game. We're giving him a fucking random laugh at one point. Do you see the turns of the Chelsea, the game that Chelsea made? Yeah. Who was standing at Klopp to shut the fuck up board. Yeah. Klopp's just laughing at it. I don't know. Can you tell him to take a holiday or something? Take a break. Take a break. Take a break. Take a break. Yeah. Take a break. Yeah. Yeah. Take a break. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. You know, we were talking and he asked me some questions. And I can't talk to everyone in the ground. So I just told him I can't talk to him. It's like fucking nuts. Yeah. Right then. Sorry. Are we beating Crystal Palace Andy? Yeah, I feel we are. Yeah. I mean, it's a huge game. Like, you know, they don't be palace now. It makes the Chelsea game just look a bit isolated. Yeah. As in, you know, we took advantage of a poor team and everything else. But if we continue on and we get the three points, it's a bit of a statement that teams are on the open tour. Back to back wins. It's huge. Klopp's got to know that. Yeah. You know, he's going to know that next week is City. It's going to be a very difficult away fixture. So we need to get these points up. So I don't think he's going to take the game lightly. You know. OK. Dave? Yeah, we win. I'm back in that. I don't think we'll ever lose. Like, are we winning the league? Just a little bit. We're not beating. Yeah. And we are winning the league. I just want to put that out there right now. I've never been sure of anything in my life. Because he did three goals in five games. That's the thing that I keep thinking, you know, and we've played in that run. Southampton Tottenham and Chelsea in the league, right? So three very tough games. And the goals we conceded wasn't like we were outplayed. It was individual mistakes. I can't remember us being torn apart to torn. You know what? Even under Rogers, when we had clean sheets, you'd remember all these incidents where many of these women make a world-class saves of. Someone misses a sitter or whatever. We're not going to cut the part. OK. You need to rest some players for the midweek game. But we'll be back. Yeah. And Jay. I think we'll win one now. OK. Go. Go. Right. So take that one. We're winning everything. And I think as well, you just want to look. There's not really teams that are putting runs together at the minute. And, you know, teams who've got to play each other, as I said, their Spurs are playing Arsenal. So if we can just get a couple of back-to-back changes to everything, it puts us right back into the mix. So if we can, if we can nick this, it doesn't matter how we do it. I don't care how we play, just nick a one-nil and then that sounds as interesting. I'm going to have a little bet in the online letter that Van Galle will leave, you know, they did before Mourinho leaves Chelsea. Oh. Hello. This is Ronnie Whelan and you list the Tripper Chats. Unbelievable stuff. You asked me anything about Liverpool FC. I will answer that immediately. I'm an encyclopedia. As you know, I play for Liverpool in the 1980s. What many trophies. Play with the likes of Kenny Daggle, he's great soon as. Oh, we wanted to watch a team we were. We were just unbelievable. Anyway, Tripper Chats. OK. So Tripper's Chats, lads. I know this is Dave Thomas' favourite part of the whole podcast where we get to talk about the sense about things and stuff. And I might try a Trevor. Well, just a talk here with a very serious voice and emphasise some of the really important things that I want to say. You have to talk free. Very soft. Very soft. Very certain words. I don't know. All right. Hey, Tripper. Oh. Sorry. Oh. Jay's getting excited. No. It's a deep voice, yeah. Sorry. Right. So, zombie apocalypse Andy, who's forced eating in the Trippers? What? Zombie apocalypse, who's forced eating? If there was a zombie apocalypse who you forced eating. Yeah. Why would you be eating people in a zombie? I don't get the question. The zombie's getting those like. Why not fucking? I don't know. You're a zombie and you have to eat someone. Who asked the question? Yeah. Alex, if you were the zombie, that would probably be better. Okay. You would eat Steve. Yeah. Well, he does eat noise food. He eats noise food. Yeah. You don't know when you feed the cows, the beer and stuff like that. It's like a cannibals, say. Literally, like cannibals. Because you need to support. If you're a cannibal, you would say that a human flesh, a human meat is the best you can eat. Yeah. In fact, you'd have to go for Steve because he eats well. He eats well. And he eats tasty food with noises and stuff. Yeah. And he likes cake and that is so a bit sweet and stuff. [laughter] His missus makes loy's cake and he eats lots of cake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but cake's that she makes. She's mad at the bacon. Yeah. She wants to eat all the cakes. Yeah. A bulangery. A bulangery. A bulangery. [laughter] That's, yeah. That's not selling naked. I was like, what? You could do that in the back. In the back. [laughter] She could make G-string cakes. Steve, those missus if you're listening in the car. G-string cakes and selling knickers at the back. Happy days, John. Right. Right. Let me see. I'll be all answering in a while. Have you done? Good one. Well, I go with Paul Brenton. Go on Brenton. Because he tastes of KFC and gravy. [laughter] It wasn't because he doesn't eat half-field, man. He likes KFC. What? He's always got out of those cakes. He doesn't like half-field. [laughter] What's the only ever... Colford. He's always the only de-silence. Is he? [laughter] He's kind of like a mac. He's like a mac. He's like a mac. Yeah, cold. No, he doesn't like half-field. He'll tell you that himself. He's not like half-field at all. Anyway, so... Jay, I'll ask you this one. Macdonald's. Since we're done with KFC. The balance is the only place we'll hang over. I have a stronger opinion on this one, but I don't know. Oh, here we go. Why, you prefer Burger King? No. I'm going to... Why do you say it's so contemptuously? You prefer boogieing? I think it defines a person. [laughter] Perhaps, yeah, Colford. I don't think you want to be hung over and around other people, so you can get your food. You go home, in your comfees, and demolish the food. Have a bit of hungover sex and fall asleep and then everything is good and away. That one's sort of... What? Sorry, so whoa, whoa. What a comfees. [laughter] I'm going to take coffee, jogging bottoms. Are you wearing a nappy? Are you wearing a manna? [laughter] So you don't... You are so hungover, you can't go to the fire. So you're just going to shit yourself. [laughter] You get a headache when you stand up. So you don't have to stand up. You don't have to stand up. It'll make me cool for you. It'll make me cool for you. So you don't have to stand up. Get the talc. [laughter] But it acts like that. [laughter] And you see the cream. [laughter] It is great. Hang on. I feel the radius. It's the coke. The coke does it. The coke does it. The saute. The fizzy coke. The saute. That's everything. I'm going to chase. But I prefer both of these or no. I knew you were going to say. I fucking knew you were going to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you don't have to breathe. Yeah. If you ask for anything more food, you'd say it's Italian food or blue. That's his answer to everything. Sushi. If it's fine cooking, the real sushi hungover. No. All of you in sushi hungover loads of times. It's soft. Travel off sushi as well. Yeah, but Trev's a sushi guy. Here's an interesting quote. It's not that interesting. I'd like to do more sushi. [laughter] Really? What do you call it? It's a meal. Is a meal enough for McDonald's? No. What do you get for McDonald's? Well, I'll tell you. I'll give it to McDonald's. I'll always get it normally. Like if it's a normal day and I go into McDonald's. What if it's a normal day? Well, if it's a normal day. Or if it's a banana, then you like it. [laughter] If it's juicy. I'm starving. I'm starving. I'm passing back that joy of true. I'm quite a pound of cheese. A cow, or whatever. And then chicken oats. You know, after you're on the menu. And sweet chili sauce. That's really good. Never went in. Hungover. I gargled. I don't know yet. Like it's just blitz the menu. It's like everything. I've said it. Everything. [laughter] Give me one. They call it the usual one. [laughter] Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we saw you in the bed. Give me one of that in one bun. Yeah. Well, I will say from Germany, we did take up the local cuisine of McDonald's constantly. And fucking Stevo's order. And Trev jumped in on the order as well. It was for hamburgers because they're on the order of saver menu. Big chips and chicken ogres. Big chips. You asked for big chips. You're fucking really fucking coaching folks. [laughter] For our four hamburgers and big chips. [laughter] And we got some bread and put them back down a bit. And then they had these sort of chicken boxes in the McDonald's over there. It was like, it's interesting when you go away and you find the McDonald's do different things. They do different things. They do different things. McDonald's don't like chicken pieces as a party. Spicy wings. And chicken bits. That's a big move. Well, it's hard to add. They're doing Paul Park now. I thought that was ranching. It would be. Paul Park's very in at the moment now. Paul Park. See Burger King looking to sell booze as well. Yeah. But that's kind of fucking open doors. Yeah. I wish you had opened up the book again. It looked like I said I walked the Burger King. I worked the Burger King as well. Yeah. Which one are you walking anywhere else out here? I worked there a few. But have you seen the new McDonald's ad that if you go in and order the spicy one, they get like this trampy girl? Yeah. What's that about? It's like if you order this, we'll get the dirty burgers. She looks like a massive audience. It's like if you order a cheeseburger, this nice clean person. We'll come and make it for you. But if you want something a bit rough, a bit dirty, this bird will come and make it for you. Yeah. Oh, I walked there in Burger King. There was not much knackers walking there. I worked in Burger King. But it's different now. I think there's not all this. It's not racist. But the most foreigners come in and they walk in McDonald's and I prefer it. I think I can trust them all. We work disgraceful. Don't tell me like a horror story. I mean, I'll tell you a story about that. I worked in Burger King during the 1999 Rugby World Cup right then. It's in just outside. Don't tell us where. Just outside the stadium. Right? So... I'm never going to be outside the Burger King. Allegedly. I heard this story. What are you supposed to do? You come at a seven o'clock in the morning and you'd half cook. So the burgers are cooked on a broiler, right? Yeah. It's a big thing. You put the burgers in a flame grill. So you turn that all the way up to the top so it goes through as fast as hell. And you half cook all the burgers, put them in a box and then leave them there for like four hours. And then when people come in and order a fresh burger you put them through again on the fast broiler so that they fully cook and then allegedly put them and then instead of like making the burgers with lettuce and one bowl of tomatoes and another onions and another you just put it all in one big bowl and just take a big clump of salad and throw it in. And if anyone come in and ask for, say, you know, kind of a burger with no pickles, you just mark on it, no pickles. Give it up. I mean, they'd be out the door before they realized that no one's going to come back. I used to do a few things like, no, not really. I mean, I'm involved in the chips production. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I would be addition of the chips. So I used to, you know, the way you have the curtains and to be all stacked together. I would know how many I'd be doing for the day. But so as soon as I know, I'm not there. I'd go down and fire enough on the chip and put winner. Just go, winner. So when you get to the bottom of your chips, it says winner. You have to give it so. So you have to create absolute hamlet. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] Oh, fuck it. Thanks for walking this crazy league. We used the lads and stuff like that. [LAUGHTER] But I won't wear, I hear some water going on. I walked in a test course where when I was young. And what I used to do was, you know, in the fruit and veg section, you can, you have the scales. Right, and what I do is lean on the scales and press the most expensive button. So at the time, there's some exacting fruit, whatever it was. And you get a little barcode out for about, like, 99 pound. 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No, I never got fired, but I remember at the time he brought a cut in on that, and he was like, "Oh, no, what am I going to do?" I don't know, he could cause it diversion. What do you mean, just set the compactor on fire down the back door? That way they won't give a shit about you. I didn't do that though. But the trick with fast food is, if it's quiet, you're alright because they're going to make it fresh. Because they're going to make it fresh. If it's busy, ask for something special, so that they have to make it fresh, and if it's really busy, don't fucking eat them there. Because there's no way that's going to be anything you want to eat. Well, we'd often play Oisake with the boogers. That was one thing we did. It's a big long corridor. And if you'd have a sweep and brush up one hand, sweep, brush it. And if you fucking million the boogers right down, as soon as it got soggy, like that was just sticking to the floor. Well, that was the time to cook it. He's a lot of people in the freezer all the time. I do stuff like that. Oh my God. Alright, fucking leave it there. [laughter] [music] Fuck you, that man. Hit me like a mofo this evening. So, big thanks to the mind cave for hosting us. Not telling you where it is. It's a top-secret location. [music] Big thanks to our friends over in the Astro Park. We'll be back in residence in the bunker next week. But we can't wait to get there for our imaginary seven-a-side football. [music] A day trip or some night where Jay, the scout man with his pocket tie home. Dave, the Welsh Burger King Master, Thomas. And the winner young, and of course myself, Phil Casey. And don't forget Dan Roberts. I forgot you're over there in the sofa, Dan. Give us a wave. Good man. Good night. God bless. We talk to you next week. [music] Hello again. Are you still listening? There's Trevor Francis here. You're the winner. If you're listening to this, you're the winner. # Now, let's see Dave Trevor's winner. Let's claim your prize. Thank you. [laughter] It's Trevor Francis. [laughter] That was a staggs. This isn't getting recorded. It's going on. There won't be any of them. [laughter] Seriously. [laughter] Stop the card. [laughter] Hey, when we talk about Moreno-Aeran. Shakespeare, it looks like Moreno in the top row. He actually does. Does he? Yeah, he does. And Moreno looks like Jacob Aero. And Shane Moreno. Shane Murray. What did we call it? Kazan Field. Kazan Field. That's the name of the party. There's Jacob Aero. Yeah. Well, you heard that was Brad Pitt. [laughter] It looks like him. Oh, my God. Trevor Francis. I mean, Jesus Christ. I think he gets paid for that. He gets paid for that. It's almost like you can't be avoided by him. But did she, uh... It's that forced I mean, can't be avoided by him? What is she? [laughter] Hey, Trevor, do you want to come in? Because we're stuck for a fella, the referee fella didn't turn up. It's a fancy company. He can't be avoided by him. 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