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[♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] ♪ But the journey might be running down the line ♪ ♪ When you provide me love is a fight for great ♪ ♪ Why Jesus come from a pretty dark ♪ ♪ Maybe it might be time ♪ ♪ For a better day ♪ Time for a better day at Liverpool, it's The Day Trippers. (upbeat music) By the end he had divided opinion dramatically with the majority wanting him gone. And as of yesterday evening, Brendan Rogers ceased to be Liverpool manager. And the fans who hashed tagged and ranted about the entrement of polished up their clap avatars in anticipation of the expected appointment of the bearded German mentalist. So how are you feeling, listener? Here in the bunker, we don't know what's going on, Ted. I'm Trev Downey, and joining me tonight for this first ever non-Breno Day Trippers podcast, Arab Paul Brennan, Dave Thomas, Jay Holm, and an oddly content-looking Phil Casey. ♪ Oh, Jesus, go ♪ Who knows? And go. (laughing) Oh, no, you're ready. (laughing) Working now. Right, let's get some reaction to the sacking of Brendan Rogers. Just an initial feedback from everybody, Dave. How you feeling? Yeah, I look surprised that it happened so quickly after the game, but probably not surprised that it came. I think it's at this stage, you know, when you get rid of a manager, it's like a transaction. So we've done the first part, which is get rid of them. Now it's about who you bring in. The rumor seems to be that it'll be one of Angela at your club, but I think if you get either of those, then you have to say that it's the right decision. And I say that as a guy who liked Brendan Rogers and for all the people that are going to slag me on Twitter, when I say like him, I mean, he was the manager of the football club that I support. Not that I want to have his babies, you know. Yeah, I'm not a Brendan Rogers nonce. But so I liked him, but, you know, replacing him for with Klopp. To be honest, at any stage during his tenure, probably is the right thing to do, you know. So I'm a little bit excited. You're making a presumption there that probably very understandable given what we've heard. Yeah, I mean, it may not be cough. It's not Klopp, but if it's... There's three names that I think are... The three names that have been touted are all legitimate upgrades on Rogers. I've heard of some. And if you go beyond that, then I think we start to worry a little bit. Yeah, Jay, and this is a response to Brendan going. Sad. Yeah. A little bit sad. I've been vocal enough, you know, I believed in Brendan Rogers. I believed in what he sort of stood for. I believed in how he wanted us to try and play the game. And I think he gave us all to try and help us achieve that. And we came very, very close to nearly doing the impossible, which is winning the league, which in this day and age, I don't think we've got any right to do given the sort of circumstances around the club and how the, you know, the traditional top four, if you like, look at them in it. I think he, you know, he gave us all and he just come up a little bit short. It wasn't for the one to try and... But ultimately, you know, he made us all dream and for that, like, I can't really forget it, you know? Were you, had you reached the point where you thought, well, actually, it's probably the right time? Yeah, a little bit. I think he kind of lost me after the Man United game. I think from a board perspective, you know, there's a lot of arguments that he could have gone in the summer. I wasn't going to argue with people that thought that. I thought some of them were justified. But the board stopped by him and I think they wanted to see an improvement in performance level. Not necessarily results, I don't think, because if you can see that the performances are there, usually the results will come. But I think, you know, the performances weren't there. The problems that were there at the back end of the last season hadn't really been rectified. And the persistence with the sort of one up top, you kind of dug his own grave a little bit and then with some pretty silly comments. So over the last few weeks, and he kind of sold himself down the river a little bit. It was very difficult to come back, you know. Yeah, Paul, are you kind of in the same boat that things have gone a little bit far in terms of, what do you like them or not? He probably had started to push it around too many edges at that point. Yeah, I think the time had come really, I think it was a gamble, sort of, given them, like another season, like going into another season. I've just spent letting them spend money and all after the way last season went. And when I continued into season, this season, that's when the writing was under up the wall, really, like there was no comeback from that. And everything's just so wordless and listless at the moment, like it was quite obvious we weren't really going anywhere. So the guy likes Rogers. I like talking as if he's dead. (laughing) Like, I like him. I know there's like this huge fucking hatred of him like floating around at the moment. I like him. And like I'm fairly sad that it did turn out like this, because I think most fans will say that over the past decade, you know, week on week, that kind of five-month period in the 13, 14 season was just unbelievable to be a part of it. It's like what I imagine it was like in the 80s and all. It was the part never felt. So like, I'll never forget that. And like, I don't see why he's so hated around tonight. And like it was time for him to go, obviously, but yeah, I'm pretty sad about it overall. - Phil, you've always been fairly clear on how you felt about it. And now the time has come that, you know, what you'd been hoping for has happened. Are you thrilled or do you have any kind of fondness and you think back in the brand of time? - No, look, losers are losers. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, I'm just glad to see you guys. (laughing) - That was great for that. - Quite soon, but no, listen, he gave us arguably the most enjoyable season that I can remember since under Roy Evans. You know what I mean? In terms of the toilet style of football, we play getting so close. And unfortunately, Roy, he just came short at the end. And really, it's those last few games which sews his downfall because he never was able to figure out how to unlock those defenses that came and just come to Brownfield. He was never able to work out how to not be so soft at the back. And he had a severe problem when he didn't have either of his war class center forwards. And that's not saying that Suarez was the sole reason. You know, the loss of storage was as big from last year. But he was so stubborn in his ways around that season from the four seasons there to the two seasons after 2014. That ultimately, that's what's caused the downfall. He kept reverting to a system. We all know that he had a third system in his head, which was the 4-2-3-1. You know, it didn't fit the players that were brought in. He's, he definitely had a large element of control over the transfers that were made in the summer because every single player that we signed, nearly everyone to a man said, that's a Brendan sign and that's a Brendan sign. And it was very few. Maybe for me, I was the only one that you're thinking is, is not one of, you know, what not be the type of player he'd want to sign. Well, not, sorry, not the type of player he'd want to sign but be his target as such. And they gave him full support in the summer. They, they wanted to see, in my honest opinion, they wanted to see that he was able to deliver with the players he wanted. Most of the players that played at the weekend were his players that were signed under him with the exception of Luke's and Skirtle, I think. So there's, there's no excuses. There's no rocks to hide behind. He wasn't able to change things from the two tours of last season, which was really poor, with all his own players. And we were starting to hear the rebuilding and that he wasn't getting the tools and all that type of stuff. And when the manager has gone there, he's trying to set the narrative because he knows his time is up at the club. And he, you know, yeah. He's, he is, he is, and he's trying to, wants to retain his own reputation because he's thinking of what his next job is. So look, personally, I'm always thankful for that, that 2014 season. There isn't a Liverpool fan who isn't. There was an absolute brilliant six months from December onwards that, that, that year. It's just unfortunate that maybe, not maybe, they should have made this decision before this summer. Well, that brings me to the next thing, which is why now, I mean, what's your theory in that film before I go into the last game? - My genuine theory is that they would have done it in the summer, had the Oregon club given an indication that he was prepared to come straight into a job, right? - Okay. - And I think club decided to take a break. And I think also, what's happened since then is that he suddenly decided, right? That's my breakdown. I actually miss football and want to get back into it because he's a pure footballer. (laughing) But he's a pure footballer, man, you know what I mean? And that's brought immense pressure on Rogers. And, you know, the narrative has been set almost since August when, once those four, three games and we weren't playing well, went and the results turned. The pressure has been relentless and building up. And when you have 90% of the fan base want and a change, I'm not buying this, that fans hate him and they hated him more than Hodgson and it was, it was all terrible. We were all frustrated that we looked like we were going to be in the same situations last season. We were all frustrated that we weren't seeing any type of improvement, regardless of what teams you put out. And regardless of what formation and it was still the same issues and they hadn't been addressed. And ultimately, you know, the fans, he'd lost the fans. When 25,000 are thrown over your open match, you know, when this type of thing is happened, the Aston Villa game, the Premier League game was more significant because there wasn't a full house there that day. So, you know, that is the moment that FSG perking. And I said to you last year, you asked me, so what will happen from to go? And I said, as soon as attendance, as soon as they stop selling their own field, FSG will act. Now, I personally did not see this coming. I would have, I would have put a lot of money on him being there for next summer, unless it went absolutely disastrous and we were in a relegation fight or something like that. - So, you're seeing a combination between numbers dropping off and the availability of their prime candidate. Dave, would you being fine to agree with that? Is that why you know, as opposed to like, it does seem almost unnecessarily cruel to have given him Sam Mathis or whatever it was? - I think they probably, I think there's some truth in what Phil say. I think that they probably looked at him in the summer and said, okay, if we saw him, who can we get? And I think probably they probably could have got Frank the Bo in the summer. But they probably said, well, let's wait. You know, it actually makes more sense. Frank the Bo, I think there's an upgrade on Rogers, but he's not so much of an upgrade on Rogers that you wouldn't say, okay, let's give him the start of the season. But I think they probably went into the season going, okay, he's got to come out of the traps flying, you know, and can he recover a little bit of his confidence? And the truth is he didn't have it from game two, really, or game three, whatever it is. And now I think in parallel with that, so I think, you know, people are trying to say, well, they never really backed him in the summer. But actually, I think the two things are not much exclusive. I think they did back him in the summer. But in the back of the head, they had this concurrent process, which is, well, if Claude Paulangelo, he says, we're willing to do it, then that changes the dynamic. And I think, unfortunately for Rogers, I think if Klopp said, no, I'm taking the full year, and Ancelotti, who I think is still probably going to take a little longer, I don't think he gets sacked after the Everton game. I think they wait a little longer until that's a little bit further down the line. So, but, you know, irrespective of whether Klopp's available, if Brandon Rogers wins the first seven games, he doesn't get sacked. That's the reality. So it's the results that have done it for him. Not so much results and performances. The fact that we don't look like a top four team, and I think they're assessing it going, but we've got a top four quality squad. Therefore, it's not recruitment. That's the problem. It's getting the best out to the players that we have, and we all, at the beginning of the season, you know, when you were dead, Phil asked us all the questions, you know. Given that he's got the players he wants, he's top four, the minimal, acceptable thing, or, you know, a big stab at it. And I'm sure the managers, the owners have had the same thing, going, well, we've given him everything he wants. If he starts to fall away, then we know where the problem is. So a lot of the articles about the transfer committee needed to be disbanded. It's all borax, like, because this summer, the transfer committee delivered exactly the players, the manager wanted. Exactly the players, the manager wanted. And that's where he's fallen. - Yeah. - But if you look at, like, obviously in terms of points, we're not that far off top four. So it's not strictly just like, you're not in the top four, so you're fired now. What's happened is that they've looked at it and said, kind of, the malaise that we were in last season has run into this season. So it doesn't matter how close it's at to the top four, we can see it's not going to get better. And that's not acceptable. So with that being the case, that's why I'm confused that they would kind of start the season. If he was that close to the sack, why would they start the season with him? And I know people are saying club took the break or whatever, but, like, if I remember him correctly, like, I think it was even before the first game, club started firing off the first kind of signals. And as the agent was like, you know, flashing is gay. Yeah, it is. Jorgen would love to live a little. I need jobs, I need jobs, I need jobs. But a team who wears red isn't in the Champions League. So it's pretty similar after that. So I don't buy this that, like, you know, if they went to club in the summer, like, you know, in the summer, listen, Rodgers is going, are you in, like, going to the head, are you in, are you with us, or, you know, that if he was that interested in a club would have gone, oh, no, no, I want to know the three weeks or whatever. Like, that's, that's why I don't fully buy that. So I think it's a good decision to get rid of Rodgers now. It's a strong one, while the season is still alive. But I think it was a weak decision to give them the stat at the summer, you know, and just kind of see, well, where is it going? But if he, I agree in hindsight, but if they couldn't get a legitimate upgrade, or if getting a legitimate upgrade would have cost them a lot of money. So even to get the bore out of IAC's, what it's going to cost, you know, will cost the money if that's who it's going to be. And it's 7 million to get rid of Rodgers. I can totally see why, as the type of people we know, they are, you know, businessman, they look at numbers and look at stats and they go, well, actually, the less risky option is to see, can he turn it around and turn it around? I think they genuinely wanted him to turn it around. I think, like, life is much easier for them if he wins the first 7 games. I mean, it's much easier for FSD if he's turned it around. So I know what you mean. And I think a lot of people felt, and we all did actually, I think when we, when we met, apart from Steve, or thought that he should have probably gone at the end of last season, just because you look like you run out of steam. And I think to your point, you know, it just doesn't look like the seams come back. - Yeah, yeah. - And Shay, would you, would you tend to agree with that in terms of, that was probably what was it in mind. It was kind of like, one last point at it. And even the way his wings were kind of clipped with his staff and having, you know, new people imposed on one year contracts, it's very temporary feel about it. What's going on into this year? - It was. I think, I think FSD wanted to give him every opportunity to prove that they were right to hire him in the first place. And I think the sort of thing that sort of sold it for me was, he kind of abandoned all the beliefs, all the beliefs that sort of made him Brendan Rodgers, which is a style of play, you know, using the ball, attacking, high pressing. Everything that made us the Liverpool of 13, 14, he abandoned and lost. And I think when you start to try and think about keeping yourself in the job and us just not getting beats rather than playing progressive football, I think that's when the alarm bells rang for me. I think he should've been given a few games, you know, he was given the back and he bought in his own type of players. It literally was, everything was on his terms. I think now, when you look at it, he hasn't really got many gripes. He can't turn around and say I wasn't given the back end of the board. He can't say that I wasn't given the opportunity when really the daggers have been out for a while. And ultimately, I think it boils down to, I think we've got, is it five wins out in the last 16 or something across the, you know, the stars at this season, the back end of the last, it's just not good enough for a football club. And when an unbelievable opportunity presents itself like Jurgen Klopp, sometimes something's too good to pass up, you know? - Yeah, and with that in mind then, how, look, there was contrast in stories today about whether or not he knew in advance that it was all over. And to listen to what you guys are saying so far and the theories that you've had, there was a genuine effort there to give him a little while. So this theory that he knew in advance possibly is a bit roby. How did you feel about the manner of his dismissal and the way it seemed to go on? I mean, if he's either a wonderful actor or he, you know, he genuinely had the clue in the pre-match and in the post-match, I thought it was particularly cruel to send him out for that. - I think, I mean, if we're all aware, like we do know that he runs the alluded Brendan Rodgers to his account, so we know he knows Robbie, but I think, you know, all jokes aside, I think he must have known. I think he said the right things and to be honest, you know, I think the comments that he's come out with today, he's just handled himself with dignity, he's gone in the right way. And, you know, what is he meant to say in these press conferences? If he knows that he's gonna go and his hands are tied, what is he gonna come out and bitch and moan and then just give more people reasons to throw out stuff at him? I think he's handled it with dignity, couple maybe a questionable comments after the villa game. I think he's probably learned from that. He's kept his head down, he said the right things and it looks very, very amicable. And there's no good ways to sack somebody at the end of the day. I think we've handled it swiftly. I think the comments from the club have been fair and it's very respectful. And it's time now to give it a shake up and give the fans a bit of a boost and try and unite a foundation move forward, you know, with a bit of positivity. Paul, how do you think FSDU coming out of this? Would you agree with previous opinions that it's basically, you know, to a business decision? It's a cold calculated one, let's get on with it. You know, or do you think it reflects badly on them anyway? Well, it has to be done at some stage obviously. So I think it shows a bit of decisiveness that it was like straight after the match. Okay, here we go. Like, we'll get rid of Rogers and we'll go after the new manager straight away. It looks a bit harsh on Rogers the way it's kind of straight. He's out with the media saying, you know, can he wants to be here for a good one? - That's, yeah, that's what it was. - And now we're later he's chopped. But like, there's no point in giving like, you know, wasting two days just for the sake of like, you know, his feelings after that or whatever. And I'm not sure about, you know, eating air fucking rocking up to his house. I'd say he probably could have done without that lady. He already had the phone call looking out the window and seeing an air rock up is probably the most traumatic thing about it, I'd say, for Brendan. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, you know, all this, we talked about it for the part. How much sympathy can you have for someone who? When, I mean, he's not on a zero hour contract being told to fuck off and not come back to work. You know what I mean? He's like, he's getting a check for seven million pounds. There is literally nothing you couldn't do for me for seven million pounds. Like you could fire me in any way. You could throw shit that I couldn't give a shit. Like, and there's a argument that the fact that he got told via a phone call rather than face to face somehow makes an absolute, like it makes no difference. He's still being sacked. So where the face to face or not makes no difference. - I feel like it could have gotten very dark there. - I was about to go there. (laughing) - I pulled it back out. I did a cleaner version of it on the pot. But like, you know, he's not, he's a multi-millionaire. - Yeah. - And okay, this has probably been too harsh. - But he's a multi-millionaire for failing. - Yeah. - It's the only job in the world where you can become a multi-millionaire for failing. Andre Vraspose, when he was a Chelsea, got 14 million pounds for six months work. He then went to Tottenham and did 18 months work and got another 10 million pounds. She made 28 million pounds for work in four, two years. - I mean, the shelf life for managers at clubs is non-existent. And it's part of the thing they think of it when they're negotiating their wages is. - So they get rewarded for it? - When you bin me off, I want to be fucking paid properly. Like it's part of it. - It's part of the thing. - Second longest serving manager in the Premier League, won a fifth or sixth in the entire football league. - Yeah. - But Rogers was. - Yeah, which gives you a kind of, like we're all creaming ourselves over the idea of club or ancillary, like coming in. But statistically speaking, we're in this room in two years, going to this whole fucking conversation. I mean, the plan is that the club comes in and he does a Ferris and then stays for 28 fucking years and wins 15 leagues or whatever. But that's not going to happen. In a few years, we're going to be in there. - It's, with less than two years before, we're doing a part of a compare and club in Hodgson. (all laughing) - You know, one of them-- - Did you read Troopers? (all laughing) - Just waiting for the second match. - Two books, yeah. - Four, two, three, one. - Did he not see what have all the Rodgers before? - Yeah. - I mean, he starts Lucas. - Aww. (all laughing) - It feels good. So he seeped up. He doesn't bend his knees when he walks. (all laughing) - Look at him running. He can't even run. - How can he see what's going on? He hasn't got his glasses on. But now, it's like when you break up with a board, right? 'Cause basically, all you're seeing is fucking, you remember all the good times, right? But the immediacy of what's gone on has driven you to this decision. - Right. - You know what I mean? Look, that's really what it is. It's a break up. And unlike most of these managers, I know it's really easy to see. - I'm happy with that. - It's almost out of the way of graphical. But there is that sense of, like, there's a real sort of sense of memory to the 13, 14 season. When you think back to Brendan Rogers, the only real sense of a manager you're running is always about two or three seasons into the next manager. So has it gone really well that you've forgotten the previous manager? Or are you now pointing for what you had in that 13, 14 season again? And all you want to do is go back to when we were brilliant. But if you think of all the collection of managers that came up since Benitez, even Benitez was about a season, nearly everyone just had, right, as time was open to the club, right? But in the history that's been written since, every one of us, open to the 14, 14, talked about the OI-09 season, right? Talked about Istanbul. Like when we talk about Istanbul, we can freely forget about how shit the fucking city, the actual league. - The league seasoners. - All right, it was a part, right? You forget that like we won no trophies from '06, but Rafa, you know what I mean? We won the Champions League and we won the FA Cup. We had a stint at the league title. We had a Champions League final, but we didn't win a trophy from '06. - And fans hated each other in the same way that we seem to again. - Yeah, it's ours, but it is so similar to real life because, you know, that's football bring out the same emotions to other parts of your life. Look, it's a pure love and hate. When something has gone really well with football, you absolutely love it. You love talking about it, you love, all you want to do is consume as much football as possible, right? When it's gone to shit, all you want to do is listen to lemme account records and drink gin. - Unless you're the manager, unless you're the manager. So if you're the manager, you're drinking lots of gin, - No, no, no. - If you're the man, like, you know, to take your breakup analogy to a step further, right? Sacking a manager and then paying $7 million, there's like a bird breaking up with you, but still agreeing to give you a handjob. - Every week. - Get our name. I mean, it's, there's no bad, there's no downside from it from his perspective. He's got £7 million. - No, I'm talking about it from the fan's perspective, because there's so much. - The fans are all ecstatic. - No, there's been so much confused geologies that are going on out there, right? I've seen the amount of people who have been destroying him for his press conference. - Yeah, for everything, right? - And now it's like, all the best. - But it was the show, the wonderful, man. - I was telling your daughter what a fucking pain to fight you, right? - It was the day of all the best day. - Yeah, like, you know, like, this is the madness of it. And that's what I'm saying to you, when you do bring it back to a real war perspective, it's the same emotions that are dragged up. That's why people are confused. But then when you throw in a big name manager, like, you know, it's like you've gone out and you're forced out in the nightclub and you're forced out. - Here we go, come on. - You're in Holloway. It's not till o'clock in the morning. And if it was let them over there and you pulled the supermodel over in the corner, like, you know what I mean? Whoa, this is the right decision. So, you know, that's genuinely what, that's the only way I could have quite to what's gone on because even with myself, it's like, all of a sudden I want to read about the club again. I want to read the stories that are there. - It's not about-- - But if we sack them and then got on a point to Gary Monk, right? - It would be-- - We were stuck with Holloway at two o'clock in the morning. - It would be a much different conversation, though. It's a two-step thing. Like, sack in the manager is one thing, but then it's about who you're going to get. And if it is, Crop, then I agree that that works. But I think a lot of fans, a lot of fans just wanted him gone. But I think most fans were like, we want him gone, but we want an upgrade. We want someone legitimately better than him. So if they hadn't done that, I think even if they got the ball, who you and I have talked about, I thought it would have been an excellent appointment. But we wouldn't have this feeling. The fan base would not be united on this. They would think that FSC have shown the one that they're showing a ball there and gone and got someone who won, okay, four league titles, but it's ended actually. - Yeah, but in McLaren, we haven't won one. - In 2007, don't you think it was there? - We've landed on our fee, big star, with the managers that are available. I think we're having an easier time of picking a top class manager than you know it did when they won the league. (laughing) And they were kind of like, well, our options are Marineo, or David and Molly. (laughing) And they picked Molly somehow. (laughing) - We're picking between Anslati, Clop, and Dvor. Like, that's ridiculous for a look. That's like... - We're changed in the Premier League, and none of the job was reached for a year. - Yeah, I kind of think we suit Clop as well. Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - As much as, yeah, it's amazing to have these two sort of names on the table. I think we are everything that Clop would want in a club, which stooped in history. Imagine being the manager who could finally win as the league. Imagine how he would be seen, not only in the city of Liverpool, but in World Football. It's a massive job, but everything is tailor-made for him, in that he can come in, he can rejuvenate a squad, and the fans will adore him. They will automatically be united, and it gives him a massive opportunity to sort of ruffle the feathers of the top four, be elite, the clubs with all of them. - Yeah, he's no idea either. He turned the job down after Kenny. I mean, you should remember, so like, he's no idiot. He's obviously recognised that the squad is better. So, you know, I was debating with people today, saying that Rodgers has left a better squad than he inherited. The fact that Clop turned that job down, and it's taken this job, supposedly, will tell you that A, he recognises the squad is better. Plus, he knows the managers have given Rodgers 300 million pound over the last four seasons too. And, yes, he's probably going, fuck yeah, I give that a go, like, you know? - Unless he's made to Stefan Efrenberg apparently, and he said in German radio, the club told him, he doesn't want a job like Man City where he's walking in, and he's expected, you just win a couple of titles, and they're for you eventually. He wants something where he goes in, puts a stamp on it, and stays. - Well, it's interesting what you were saying right about how we're lucky, who's available. Because imagine Mourinho carries on having his meltdown, and then they sack Mourinho in three months. Which else are you going to appoint? And Charlie, maybe, right? - Yeah, I think they're just recycling. - They're just at this stage. But who are they going to get? Who's going to take that job? So, I mean, I think that pushed there this day a little bit as well to go get, yeah, or Brendan Rodgers. - Yeah, well, there we go. - I've seen him in the track, so you don't know. - Yeah, but the thing about it, the thing he seems to offer, I think Neil Poole was saying, the club would look fucking good on a flag, which I liked. But, you know, the thing he offers, I think he goes back to what you were saying, Jay, like he's a bit of a mentalist. And that's what I've missed since Suarez left. It's all been pretty fucking safe, and just a bit of madness. I think people could embrace that, even if the results weren't going the right way, we all felt more of a gang, you know, more of a club. - Well, I think that's where Rodgers, I've said this before, I think last time I was on. I think he would have won a lot more credit amongst the fan base if he'd have gone balls out. We've said this, you know, time and time again. And if he'd have come up short, then you can go with your head held high. We went out, you know, with a band that he tried. - Yeah. - I think Klopp's going to come in, and he literally does not give a shit. Like he will take these big clubs head on. He won't be bullied. He'll say the right things in press conferences. He'll have the press wrapped around his little finger. You know, the guy oozes charisma, genuine charisma, not the type of David Brent stuff that Rodgers can try and force out sometimes. And I think that's what we need. He needs to rally the troops, he needs to get the fan base behind him. And we have all everything in place now to challenge Flat Top 4. I don't think the league is of a great standard this year. We've not been great, and we're only using three points of fourth place, something like that. - I mean, six off the title, off the top, don't we? - You know, we have every opportunity to turn this around and I genuinely think it couldn't be a more tailor-made fit to hopefully do. - Well, we have no rock stars in the team. Suarez has gone, Gerard's gone, Sterling, who was the next big thing, he's gone. So we've got no superstars in the team. They're trying to turn continue into one. They're trying to turn a syringe into one. So hire a superstar as a manager. - And that gives you a-- - Brace the attractive. - Exactly, gives you something. - And players, you know? - The biggest thing has been the Roger's name outside of England is Unown. - No. - Don't know. - And we don't have a director of football whose name carries either. So it's like, suddenly you've got your club and everyone knows what he's about and everyone will go, "Yeah, wouldn't mind giving that a go, actually." - I still don't think we'll be able to go out and attract the top, top talent. I think, you know, realist is what just it pains me to say this. We have to shop in a different market at the minute. We haven't got the finances to go out and buy, you know, your top players. We haven't got regular Champions League football. So I do think we have to box clever a little bit in how we sort of attract players. What I do think the suede at Klopp will bring for those ones that are a little bit reluctant to move up north, 'cause I do think the London factors and other things as well. Key will be the killer suede. It won't be a case of getting to our answers so to ring and say to players, you fancy a bit of Liverpool, you should come up here. If you're in Klopp, Klopp rings and speaks to you and says, "Do you want to come and buy into my project?" It'd take a brave player to say that. Well, the good thing about you in Klopp is that sorry, we're going completely on, is that I don't think he's the type of manager that's going to want to go and buy those types of players anyway. He built his Dortmund side or by recruiting lesser known players who could grow into that, which is exactly what FSG want to do. They don't want, okay, they want their Alexis Sanchez, but they don't want to go and buy that level. They can't buy that level. And now we're going to talk about it later. So, all I'd say, and maybe we'll get into it later on, is that Klopp won't be signing any players? Exactly, yeah. Okay, well, be signing any players. Okay. Right, because he won't be the manager, because Gary Monks just been announced. (all laughing) ♪ Gary Mon, Gary Mon, Gary Mon ♪ Hey, you good to go? Yep. Okay, look, let's review the Derby in the most sort of roundabout way fashion. And tying in a little bit of discussion about Brandon, it struck me as the game was ending, that it was kind of like a microcosm of his time. The defense was crazy, the attack looked to have potential. And it was ultimately slightly flat and disappointing at the end of the day, which I think might sum up and off a lot of people's thoughts about Brandon's time. Nice bit of random. I didn't actually read any of that, but cheers. The words were in your eyes. Anyway, what I do want to do is talk about that idea, about how things, lessons, didn't seem to be learned over the course of the time there. And the fact that the defense never improved at any point. You know, it's gas because when I was looking at it very much, I actually thought that defensively we weren't as bad as we have been in other games. I know that sounds bad, but I actually didn't. The thought was at least it was a bit of a structure and player seemed to be getting familiar with Israel in terms of the roles we're playing. Until the inevitable happen. Again, there was fatal flaws in that. You know, everyone goes on about the individual mistakes and it's individual mistakes that have killed us public. How can you have individual mistakes all the time? Also, is it individual mistakes when there are two or three of them in a row? That's just a team mistake. I know, you know, but also, I've always been curious at how we seem to be able to magnetically wallop the clearance into one of our own players with so much spin that the ball tends to drop to the forced available center forward after the team. Because it's an uncanny ability. Like how many goals have you seen this game? He's making a good happen. He put a peach of a ball onto Gostens for a little week to be like, you know, it's kind of back over his head across the box right under Gostens. I think he's trying to injure Skirtle. No, I think he's really trying to do it. He's trying to, he's actually trying to clear the ball into Skirtle's face to break his legs. So the Skirtle goes off the field. That's my new theory, OK? Because he always kicks in at Skirtle. And he's so good a footballer to be missing by that, but she's my theory. They need to get that Stuart lookalike in Anfield, right? And Moon was far away from the goal as possible. Yeah. And just have him waving his hands and sailing the ball to come near Chan on the clearance. No, no, no, no, no! Look at Tim over there, boom! Do you know what it was about that game? You knew as soon as we took the lead, and there was, I think, there was about 10 minutes to see out at the end of it, you know? That's when your lead is. That's when your experience comes in. I had this feeling, if we can make this to halftime, that's a huge, you know, that's a huge psychological advantage going into the second half. Yeah. Again, we lack leaders, we lack experience, a little bit of now to see the game out. You just have the inevitable feeling that they were going to get one before halftime. You could see that something was building. And I think that sort of ties into when we talk about buying potential and we've got this model of buying younger players, they're always likely to make a mistake or look towards somebody to get them through those moments, like a Terry has done at Chelsea. He sort of guides younger players through the game. We still, you know, with Henderson missing as well, he has been a huge loss in terms of some sort of leadership. We don't have that leader that just seems to put his arm on lads and say, right, let's do the right things for 10 minutes. Let's get us through to halftime. And then we regroup. Ajay, are we deluded, though, as a group of fans in that? Absolutely. You know, I look at Mama Sako, I think, right? That guy's a leader. I look at, look, they're experienced. They're experienced players. You've read all the names now. Oh, no, look at that. See, I don't, I don't even buy the leader argument. No, and that's, because what I think is, it's just, I think it'll be interesting when a club comes in, when all of a sudden, if these players then start to stand up and be counted, because these players have been leaders at other clubs. They're leaders at an international level when they go off and play for their teams. But does it, does it, does this, a lot of captains of international teams that have been through the Liverpool side under Brendan Rodgers? Do you think it's the weight of the shirt, then? Do you think it's something? No, because they got the new design off, new balance, and it's been incredibly incredible. No, it's not piss around. It's Martin Skirtle, Simon Minnily, and Lucas, that's the spine of our team. You want to know why we're shit? That's it, that's right. I'll be honest with you, I looked at the midfield, and Jay's point a bit that we've bought loads of young players with loads of potential, right? But we always seem to have bad players in the positions. Sorry, but yeah, bad players in the positions that you need to go players in. Like, when I looked at that midfield, the one thing that I taught was awful on Sunday was our midfield. Like, this constant, I actually taught when Alan came on, he didn't do much, but he had more energy in there than Lucas had for the amount of time he was on the pitch. I just, I don't get it, like, especially when you're going up against, you know, people laugh and slag about Garabari, but they've got two other gold midfielders in there that can run and run and run, and Berkeley had the freedom of the fucking city to run around the space he wanted to run around in for everything, because Lucas just wasn't able to get a grip on him. You know what I mean? And it ended up that our defense gets constantly, like we're talking about the mistakes, but the defense constantly gets overloaded, and I'm not clamoring for a DM. What I'm clamoring for is a mobile midfield. And since we've lost Henderson, Milner has retreated a bit because I don't, because again, it's this idea that you've got legs, you've loads of legs on the pitch, obviously you've got loads of mobile midfielders who are able to get around and cover each other. And when we haven't got that, all of a sudden, we're leaving gaps. - Well, we've replaced Stephen Jared with Lucas. It's fucking mental. We've replaced a guy who can't run with a younger guy who can't run. Like that's who can't pass. At least Jared could pass, and he had a goal in him every now and again. But like, it's just mental that here we are, you know, and the manager's fighting for his life. And he's got Lucas in front of Skirdron. I mean, and we just, we're appalling. - A midfield containing James Milner and Lucas Laver are only gonna be able to do certain things, and to be able to become creative and progressive in how they play. They're never gonna be able to do that. So I think in that game, we got what they're gonna give you. They're gonna keep it short. You know, they're gonna challenge, they're gonna compete. But what was really lacking there is somebody that puts their foot on the ball and can start attacks, can find a pass, can play a pass that cuts out a line, you know, through the lines of Everton, you know, into a striker's feet. There was very, there was so many big gaps between our midfield. Phil couldn't get into the game, who's meant to be that link between, you know, the two lads and the forwards. So really, we were playing kind of 50 yard football, it felt like, because nobody wanted to do it. - But that's Lucas. That's because the manager said that Milner and Coutinho, right, you guys play as attacking midfielders 'cause Lucas is playing, right? So he's played a one and a two. So because Lucas can't do the job, Milner's having to drop back and do the central midfield stuff. So Coutinho's got two men on him because Milner's having to come back and cover for Lucas. So the issue, and Lucas is having to play so deep, because Skirtle keeps dropping the backline back five yards. So it's Lucas and Skirtle. And until we get rid of that, it's starting to, you know, to go over in a rant. But James Milner's getting peltas off everyone, but he's playing as an attacking midfielder, but he's having to do the job of a central midfielder. And when you take him out of there, Coutinho's left all on his own, we know Sturridge doesn't track and press. So you essentially have Coutinho and Danny Inks playing against five players. That's why they can't get the ball. One of my big worries in this summer was the lack of specialists that we have in midfield. Like, it's difficult to pick a midfield out of our players. That's like, you couldn't pick one that's really going to protect the defence. And you can't pick one that's going to pass a team off the park. And you're sure as shit, you're not going to get one that's going to do both at the same time. And that's one of the big problems that keeps coming back to bite us. Like, there was nothing in front of the defence, really. There was no player going to set any tempo into our play. There was nothing, really. I think it's a gas part when we look back at those seven games. Sorry, when we look back at the four games where we've gone to trade the back, right? We're going to turn around and say that our best creative midfield was to fill a play on a right centre back. Because nearly every time that we did anything true midfield, it was because Chan stepped in and went on, you know, pushed himself right up 56 to force the issue. To force the issue. Because neither of the midfielders, once Henderson's got injured, has been able to do that job, going back to Jay's point. But, you know, we could focus on that. I thought for the first 20 minutes, we played some really good football. I thought, you know, we created stuff, we got at them. And, you know, the goal itself is hilarious because it's Tim Herrodall over, like, three yards, a three yards, right, out from goal. And he's looking at the defenders and giving out a stink to them. When that's a lovely ball drop. Inks doesn't even, it isn't like Inks has done a tearling header, and he's up in the air, and he's seven and a half yards. He's on his way down. He's on his way down. Like, Howard could have just stepped out and caught the ball without having to jump. And he's looking around, and if I was never done fine, every time we get a corner, I'd be shitting myself. Because I know Howard is never, ever going to come off his line. Yeah, he's absolutely terrible. But why are we playing three at the back? We're against look out on his own. Why aren't we pushing Emory Kahn into midfield then? I mean, why isn't he doing that? Why isn't fucking Skirtle doing that? Why isn't Lucas doing that? Does everything have to come from the manager on the bench that it has to be this rigid tactical plan? But it's just fucking frustrating. But I thought with it again, well, all everything did was put Lukaku on Skirtle. And he absolutely battered it. Yeah, he warned nearly everything that was going on. And it's gas because the two lads with the biggest amount of fight that we saw on the pitch, where it was Chan and Sacco. Like, people were saying, like, where's the hearth and passion going on coming from? Those boys as well. Yeah, and they used to be fair, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm just in terms of dealing with those. Like, they were the ones who really had the bid between their teeth. '22 and '20, those two players. They're '22 and '20, '23 and '20 wherever the fuck they are. The two junior members that have to fight. And Menulae, I know he had a few raspards over his near post goals that he'd been conceding lately, but I thought Menulae had his best game in a long, long time for his head. He times in the game he was actually. Yeah. He makes two great saves. I think that glosses over a lot of stuff, to be honest with you. Well, that's Menulae. And then Lucha. His kicker was terrible. But he's the worst kicker of a ball. I'd say it in professional football. I'd just never seen it. For a fella who trains whatever amount of days, nearly the whole week long, right? His technique is horrific. He hits loopy kicks. Like, I mean, it actually gets me angry, right? I'm looking at a gun. Just drive your foot shoe. Just drive it foot shoe. You know what I mean? Like, you just drive your foot shoe. You're forcing a teach 14, 15-year-old goalkeeper is how to drive your foot shoe or ball to get distance on it. You know what I mean? You walk constantly on distance and different techniques, baby. Always scoops or things, sir. It's scoop. Do you know what I mean, it reminds me of David James in the basics. He seems to get wrong, but then he makes saves. That saved from who was it that was absolutely incredible. Unbelievable, but then he let himself down with, as you said, basics, which is distribution. And the long shot as well. Who was that from? I can't remember it, but that was another exercise. But then there's a ball coming in the box. A skirt will stand the leg going. Come and get it. Come and get it. Come and get it. And many of you doesn't move, so eventually the skirt will put it up for a corner. A skirt will never shout in screams. And he fucking tears Minnie Lee a new one going, "Come and get the fucking ball." So Minnie Lee made two great saves, then. That's grand. The gas thing is, for years, we've had issues with full blacks. And I think Moreno and Collion are... Moreno's been excellent at the weekend. I think Moreno was excellent at the weekend. A genuine deal, he barely put a foot wrong. It's been good since he came back. You know, do you remember the recovery tackles he made as well when he had no way to go? You were very harsh on him over the goal saying he should have closed that. I was serious against him. I was serious against him. I'm not sure. I didn't think that. I mean, he got three center halves. Like, I mean... He got three center backs. If Chan, first of all, if Chan puts that to Rosé, the goal doesn't happen, right? In the meantime, he hits Skittles and literally falls over. The skirt was ahead of Locarcus. Locarcus behind him. Yeah. One of the master react. Quicker than... Locarcus takes two touches. I know, yeah. He does, yeah. That's what he gets. It's like fucking hell. Like, I think Moreno should have got to his feet quicker. But, you know, you're splitting hairs here and I think that sometimes, again, when you have young players, they do slightly make mistakes, they're prone to making mistakes. You know, it's something that can be quickly corrected and I don't think it's something that needs to kind of be over. But I also think modern coaches don't mind crosses coming into the box. But this is my point. They'd rather cross commit to the box and them get beat on the inside. So they say, don't dive in to try and block the cross because you don't want it to hit the pass you and get to 20 out of space. Do you know what the casting is? Well, the things that would impress us about our fallbacks, Moreno, Klein, even Mankio when he was there, right, was the fact that they got out and closed down crosses and stopped crosses coming into the back box. And that's a coaching thing because all of a sudden, those players have stopped doing that and they're allowing crosses to come in. So that's not a conscious decision by the player. We... When every time we talked about when they signed, well, I like that, because he's quick, he gets out and he blocks crosses and we talked about the stats, you know, this fellow gets out and he presses and he doesn't allow any crosses to come into the box. X amount, the only amount, X amount across come in and all of a sudden, it's gone from game one to game seven and lads are freely available to get crosses into the box. We're doing it to Glenn Johnson, why? Well... Just let them in. Yeah. Well, look, if... So Glenn Johnson wasn't that bad. Yeah. There are dozens of pods coming up in the same search. Back out of the burn. Yeah, Jesus. Well, look, it's looking like people are insane. We have to rip everything up and start from scratch then in terms of personnel or even the formation. But what about the front two of the two dannies? Is that something that could really work for us, do you think? I mean, they had an interest in scrap between themselves at one stage and then Ng's puts the goal in within a couple of minutes. For me, the one thing is that storage thrives when he has a Pacey striker alongside him. I think that's what... That's become very clear and obvious since he's been at the club. Pacey industrious striker. Yeah. Yeah. It is, you know, cow type, outage type who walks his arse off. He hasn't got the quality of a Suarez and let's be honest about it. Nobody does. Right? But he does have the walk rate that's akin to just goals and goals and goals and goals and goals. Even when he was... I couldn't understand what he was saying. And I know he said he had a knock, so that was the reason for a fair enough. If it was actually a tactical decision, you know, that was crazy because he was the one that was walking his bollocks off up there. Listen, you know, there is a very good... I'll stand over. I still think it's the best squad we've had since I went online. And, you know, a good manager in there is going to make a huge, huge difference because he has an awful lot of really fine tools to do the job properly. But the squad when Brendan took over, I thought, like, I looked at that and I was like, where do you start in terms of getting rid of players? And we've talked in the pod about, you know, not buying squad players, just buying better players and use the ones that you use as a squad player. But you couldn't do it. Nobody wants down in our carol or fucking chad them at the club. Nobody wants that. So I was looking at that guy in Jesus Christ, whereas this squad, I'm not completely happy with, but you're just kind of thinking, oh, a few additions here and, like, we're motoring on here. So it's not a complete kind of fucking rework, you know? You're not ripping everything. Well... I was going through my timeline. I don't know why it was Saturday or Sunday or Sunday. I have to imagine. I can't remember. But I was going through the timeline. And it was like... Somebody was like, oh, great article there, Charlie Adam, whatever. Right. And so... He'd written some type of article. I don't know what it was. Right. But the next one at Adam's 15 best takeaways and talk about it. [LAUGHTER] Just take on that. [LAUGHTER] Just do it. And I wanted to add... Oh, you said a lot. I was almost going to quote him in a retweet, and that was like, yeah, great article there. [LAUGHTER] I mean, Rogers, Rogers, when he took over, had Andy Carroll, Charlie Adam, Stuart Downan, Joe Cole, a broken Danny Lager, a fat pepperina, Aqualani was still on the box, Shelby was still there. Jay Speerring was... Jay Speerring was getting... Jay Speerring played in the... Joe Cole. Epic upfire. Joe Cole, I said. So, we have no one that level of shitness. [LAUGHTER] We don't. Even when... Love Run, Lucas, maybe... It's so credit-worthy. And we have... And we have... And our best player when Rogers came was Suarez. And he still is. [LAUGHTER] But Sturridge is at that level, if we can keep him fit. You know, I agree. I mean, I agree with all of the squad is... I mean, we haven't even seen what Firmino can do yet. The Pokémon Apocalypse is definitely... Well, me and Dave Thomas are agreeing on love. There's something wrong. I disagree on the Inks thing, though. I think that... Shut up, Sturridge. [LAUGHTER] I think Sturridge will be better with Ben Tech. So, I don't think Inks occupies defenders. I think defenders know the rings will carry them. But if he's got the ball, he kind of hurt them. And, you know, he's just not dragging defenders in. I do think the Enrico equation is going to be very interesting when a... Clapbo takes over. Oh, that's going to be so much fun. Because he could. Like... He could love Enrico. He could love Enrico. Look, Clap's mad, right? Yeah. So, straight away, he's going to see hoverboards... That's what I'm putting up. I'm holding selfies. Well, that's why Merrino's going all mad now. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] He's walking his dog on the hoverboard. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Woohoo! He had the fucking poppin' jacket on and on. I was sure it was a baseball cap. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, look, we seem to be finishing a slightly up note. So, do you want anyone to give me their best friend and memories to finish off this absolutely horrible review of a match that we just did there? Yeah. Boyvest said, "The best memory I have is I remember when Spores came down and failed towards the kind of the last third of the 13-14 season." Yeah. And I was going, I think they came on Mother's Day or something. Like that. I had to go over to a restaurant to have dinner and I was going to miss most of the match. And I wasn't even worried. I was like, we are going to fucking destroy them. And like Spores, like Spores aren't a great team, but they're not the sort of team you kind of think, oh, like their entire kind of team you think they might take points off us. I wasn't even like remotely worried. I was like, they're going to rock up at Anfield and we're going to fucking tear them in your eyes. So, I mean, I think we've won four nails or something like that and it could have been more. Like that was my favorite memory, just like, I can't remember ever taking that. Yours are confidence. Forever, ever having that as a Liverpool fan, even under Raffa, like you were always kind of thinking like, there's a nail all around the corner under Raffa, I never had that confidence before. I've just gone, fuck you, we are going to destroy you when you come to Anfield. I think mine would be the five one, but the first half of the five one versus Arsenal, that was most unbelievable football. I think it got to the stage, me and my brother were watching the game and it got to the stage we were actually laughing when the goals went in, because we couldn't believe what we were seeing, do you know what I mean? And there were great goals and it was just relentless and I literally couldn't believe what we were seeing. And it kept showing the scoreboard. Yeah, it was so good. And you've seen that Arsenal fan that's always there with his big long beard and he's like, really assessing his life and he's on his face and everything you think of it. I was on my way into town and for the early part of that match, I missed like all the goals. You know, it's trying to keep updating Twitter, but the problem with doing that is that, you know, no one on Twitter says, yes, it's three nails, it's all just, yes, and there's no description. Like, I was walking on my mate, like, it was watching night and then I was like, oh, scared the squad already. He's like, really? I was like, yeah. And then you know, as I was looking at Twitter, I was like, I can't, I can't go. I think have we scored again here? And he's like, really? And it's like, it looks like, like, there was a little gap, but now everybody's celebrating again, I think. And I was kind of like, geez, I don't know what scores we walked in. It was four nails. I was like, fuck off, really, like, because I was half in a related, it's four nails. It was ridiculous. I got. It's hard to pick one. I mean, that whole, you said it earlier, that whole six months or whatever, when we were, but I suppose, continuous goal against Man City, when we won three, two, that was the moment. I honestly thought would have been the league, we're going to win the league now, because we were up against it. Of course. They'd come back. It was true. All I was pretty deflated. And it's such a great goal. I mean, it comes out of nothing. Like, you never see company missing that kick. And they continue to kills it in, and it's just like, that's probably my favourite moment in the Brendan Rodgers. That was so convinced after that, we were going to win the league. So convinced. 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That you can't even describe. Chocolate. That's all right. I can't describe. I named three seven seven jellies now. I can't describe them. There's also generic jellies. I didn't even say anything. Listen. There's no jelly. If you want some chocolate, you go to a shopping. Why are you fucking chocolate? Yes. You don't go to a pick and mix. Oh, you're a lover. I love a lot of chocolate. It's even the pick and mix. Well, it's something like on Europe. Oh, fucking. You were. You had those chocolate bears. No, couldn't have been a fucking deviant. You don't get a guy to put it in. Don't you make it yourself a pick and mix? It's been a long time since then I know. But don't you make it yourself. You don't get a guy to do it. Do they have a pick and mix guy? I just made a tosser. What kind of rep or bit has a fucking pick and mix? What's the question? There you go. There you go. What are you doing? No one's safe today. Spent some money. Have a dairy milk or something with a bit of class. I've got a fucking pick and mix. I told you. I remember. Gee, you've switched me the last tier. But if you've got a bit more of a galaxy, but like, you know, spend a bit of money. You can get munchies as pick and mix. That's an allowable chocolate and pick and mix. Well, I've really passed. You know, munchies. You know the chocolate munchies that you know when we get in a big long, the red? Oh, yes. There's munchies on the pineapple. Best sweets ever. But there's a big huge bowl of the munchies in the pick and mix. That's a good show. That's chocolate though. Yeah, but yeah, but it's allowable chocolate. That's not a fucking white chocolate mold. Dave, since you've got some controversial ideas. What's the worst food you've ever eaten? 19 or 9 months and all that. So legitimately, the worst food I've ever had was when I was in school. And they brought us Welsh delicacy. And there's a thing called lava bread, which is seaweed. And they serve it with cream cheese. And the lava and the bread is a disguise. Do you want this lava bread? Volcanic bread? Seaweed, I like this. They go out for your fucking milk chocolate, pick a mixture, pack a focus. They give it back. They give it to you. It's like green seaweed with cream cheese. So that's legitimate in the worst food I've ever eaten. That's the worst thing I've ever eaten. I mean, no wonder we got conquered so easily. If that's our food. Fuck it out. We can't even be a man. Like, you know, we got all this lava bread. I don't know about that. I'd say you were the most contrary. You could kid on the planet. But they first got you with the lava bread. This is not lava bread. They served you a fucking seaweed. I'd say they went to, like, they probably took a picture. We got them. The little big ones. They were all in the next room, actually eating proper lava bread. Camera's on and everything. Dixie wants to know, Phil, you're our hipster beer wanker on this question. What German beer should sponsor the club, do you reckon? And now we're getting drunker for the taste. It's sponsoring the club. It's really club. Whatever you think suits. The half-brow, October 1st beer. Tasty and Rockefeller. There you go. That'll bring the singer back to Anfield. I'll tell you. We'll all be asleep for a bit again. But we'll bring the singer back in between the sleeping bits. Excellent. Last one, then, is from Yari. Who wants to know, would you prefer Joe Allen or a traffic cone? It seems harsh there, Jari. It seems harsh. You've got to pick a mixed man. Joe Allen would get the white chocolate nose and pick an issue. It holds them. Can I have that, Brendan? Is he a vegan? I don't think he'd have chocolate that. He's vegan. Yeah. That was one of that. At Liverpool, he changed his diet and became a vegan. And that was when the reason he struggled with the physicality of the league for a while. He lost a lot of weight, apparently. And became a vegan. So I think I don't think he'd eat white chocolate. He's had every excuse under the sun because he also had a baby at the time. And everyone put it down. He wasn't sleeping like he had a new baby. And he made a crisp. And he was made a crisp. That didn't help. I like his beer player. I like him with a beer. I think he looks like the backup drummer for it. It's a depression beer. Yeah. It's a depression beer. He does look incredible. He does look incredible. He does look incredible. He does look incredible. Does he? Yeah. I could see him with the flamethrower. I keep saying that he came to eat in the Simpson picture of the flamethrower. And that is Joe Allen. All we need to do is strap a flamethrower to his back and send him out to a police. He wasn't injured at all. He was holding up his volcano and putting a laser in. Oh, he's a supervillain. Yeah. He was just in Lucas. And that's what he meant about the traffic on. Lucas. Oh, Jesus. No, I doubt that. Anyway, I don't do a fuck. As usual, we want to finish off by mentioning Astro Park.ie, which is the website of our host, Astro Park. One of the people that allow us to be here during our silliness every week. So if you want to play a bit of small-sided football, get yourselves down here and check out the website at Astro Park.ie, your day trippers tonight were Phil Casey, Paul Brennan, Dave Thomas, Dave Thomas. Hey, I'm Dave Thomas. I've got to be home and myself, Trev Denny. Miss Bald, the minor flounder. It's about the shit that, like, you know, all the people who love, like, oh, Markham, it's just going to be great. And Paula, Telly's going to be great. And they were shit. So everybody goes, oh, I'm fucking lying. I'm getting there. I know. I love all that. I know. I love to fender him again. So I'm like, shit. It's the extremes. I just can't handle the extremes. I spoke about it. Like, he's like, they genuinely can't understand that he has. [LAUGHTER] We've got a little loose. So since you've been away, like, you know, we kind of just, you know, that sweet style that you may have noticed. You may have noticed that it went into the fucking suit, man. That's why I'm lying. [LAUGHTER] Radiance, when I have a hire, according to the number of favourites we got. Oh, yeah. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. Favourites. I always love going on Twitter just randomly favourite in tweets. [LAUGHTER] Absolutely no reason. [LAUGHTER] Oh, it's almost a favourite in a tweet for about three months ago. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] I've got a lot to get through there. Even the most unnamed stuff, you know somebody having a conversation. Yeah, grand, I'll start that out tomorrow. Favourites. Favourites. [LAUGHTER] Right. OK, we'll guess that. Mater than the emoti thumbs up, I hate that. Don't give me a thumbs up. You don't like a thumbs up? I don't like a thumbs up. You don't like a thumbs up. You don't like a thumbs up. Do you not like a thumbs up in Twitter or just in general? In general, it's fine. On Twitter, though. I'm gonna send you a little. Watch yourself emoji. Fuck off. I don't know somebody. [LAUGHTER] Fuck off. That guy goes. You will. You will. They all do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top emoji. Oh, man. There's so many good ones. I know, yeah. They really aren't. [LAUGHTER] I'm gonna emoji until I talk to them. That's exactly everything. Yeah. Everything there was the little teary face. I was like, fuck it. I was like, fuck it. I was like, fuck it. I was like, fuck it. [LAUGHTER] Fuck sake. That's exactly it. And like, two smiley faces. Two teary smiley faces means it wasn't that funny. You're gonna have like, 16. 16. [LAUGHTER] That was a good laugh. That was a good laugh. At least 16. If it's not at least five, you know, it's a sympathy emoji. [LAUGHTER] But definitely not just a big bunch of teenage girls. But how much? [LAUGHTER] Yeah. 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