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Okay, we're joined now by a friend of the pug and guardian journalist, Sachin Necroni, who, along with another honoree, Trevor Karl Copic, has compiled a book which will be of interest to Liverpool fans across the globe. And Sach for probably about 11,314 time across various media. Would you mind just explaining for Tripper listeners what we're everywhere else is about? And what a prospective purchaser can expect to get for their few shekels. Yeah, I'm obviously more than happy to talk about the book. I'm pleased to do so. So yeah, wherever we're at, it's a diary of Liverpool 2014-2015 season. What we, myself and Karl, always stress, which is very important, is that it's not really about the football. So it's not a book that will depress you too much. Yeah. Instead, it's more collection of personal stories. We've got over 30 different contributors involved, including, obviously, Tripper's legend, if I can call him Naturop Downey. Jesus, what? I don't know, who's the reason from the day as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's quite minor miracle, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so we've got over 30 people involved. And the brief we gave them, we gave them a game from the season and asked them to use the game, not to write a match report. That was a very strict instruction, not to write a match report, but to use the game to tell a personal story, whether it be about how they became a Liverpool fan, and just as something personal around the team. So, for instance, James McKenna, of the Spirit of Shankly, wrote chapter about the cost of tickets. He covered the hole for Neil Littlejoy with hole in October 2014 and he wrote about the cost of tickets. Ian Salmon wrote about the win over Spurs in February 2015 and wrote a beautiful chapter about his father, who sadly passed away last year. And then we had chapters from people who live abroad, Daniel Warren, who lives in New York, in Australia. And they wrote about what it is to support Liverpool from a distance, and obviously, about supporting Liverpool from Ireland. So, it's a range of personal stories, which we feel gives a real kind of complete view on Liverpool supporters and the different ways people support Liverpool in a different way the club affects them. Yeah, it was the hook that really interested me about, as you say, now that season diary, it's a collection of various perspectives on what it is to be, to be a red kind of thing. What common threads did you notice/between the various pieces? Obviously, even the ones you described there have sort of myriad subjects and various wildly different perspectives. Was there anything to kind of connect them? I think you could almost connect people in terms of, in terms of, I thought it was quite interesting that those who live almost furthest away from the club are the most sort of optimistic about the club. And I think they perhaps appreciate it more. So, Daniel's chapter and Andy Garga's chapter and Trev's chapter to the extent as well, they're really optimistic about the club. And obviously, they see the failings in the team and the way things are wrong, but it's a general sense that they still feel this bond with this club located miles from where they live. It is a very special thing, and they really cherish it and appreciate it. And it's almost the closer the fans are to the team, geographically, and also in terms of how long they support the club, they're a little bit more sort of gnarly and worn out by the process they are. So, people like Steve Kelly and James McKenna, who I mentioned, Mike Nevin and a few others, are from Liverpool. They will have a slightly more kind of wear retoned to them in terms of supporting the club, just because they've seen so much being through so much and obviously just that little bit closer to it. So, I thought that was quite interesting. There's also a lot of humour in the book. I mean, Neil Paul's written a fantastic chapter about setting up the We Are Liverpool fans. And he's obviously from the city, but he's a lot of humour in his chapter. And that's there as well. So, as I said, he's just... I wouldn't say there's any specific common theme, but I think there's a real sense of every sort of different emotion you can have following Liverpool. You know, you can be quite up about it, you can be quite down, you can see the funny side of it. You can see the deeply emotional side of it as well. And I'd like to think that's all there in the book. Yeah, you should really get some insight into the negative dark places we can go all the way over here in Ireland, too. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I mean, you've probably been asked a million times to pick out favourites like I've just done there. You know, and clearly, obviously, I'm not going to embarrass you into saying that my piece is your favourite piece, so I should wonder that to you. Is there any particular anecdote that sticks out? Like maybe there's something slightly humorous or something like that from one of the pieces that just comes to mind there readily? Yeah, I think this is going back to Neil Paul's chapter. I mean, I've got to say, I've mentioned this, I think, on a different AI pod. It's my wife's favourite chapter. She really liked it. And I do think it's one of the most underrated ones. It's the one that hasn't got a lot of mentions on Twitter and things when people have been kindly praising the book. But I do think it's a fantastic read. I think there's a great bit at the end where he's... It's after the Newcastle game, I should say, in April, which we won 2-0, a rare, comfortable victory for us last year. And Neil writes about... He's just about to leave the cop, and he sees a woman pick up the fans in and just start reading it, so obviously quite excited. So he pops to the toilet, comes back, and she's still reading it. So, you know, just decides to watch her for a little bit, which may sound creepy, but he writes in a little bit. Yeah, a warm effect in a way, in terms of, you know, feeling real pride at some reading chapter. But then what he notices is that he's also scratching his balls at the same time and realise he probably does look quite creepy and heads out the ground. But I thought that was a great story. But yeah, there's loads. I mean, I don't have a favourite chapter. It's a question we've often been asking myself from Carl. I don't have a favourite chapter at all, because it is kind of almost like Sophie's choice for me. But I would say for me, the most kind of important chapter, if I can say that, is James McKenna's one, because I think it captures a real kind of crucial topic at the moment, which is that sense of fans feeling sort of disconnected from the club, because of how much it's costing to get in, and certain people can't get in. And it's a fantastic written chapter anyway, but the topic's really important. Absolutely. The imagine that book was probably conceived, I suppose, back at the beginning of last season, so altogether more optimistic times, even though maybe this season didn't start particularly well. But certainly, I presume the conception of the book was right back at the start of it. So, I mean, when you start assigning chapters to people to go with a particular game and stuff like that, the season starts to come fairly much apart at the seams. You end up with an altogether different book. Did you regret that? Or do you think the book is better for that? No, I genuinely think it's better for that. We've been asked this before, and a lot of people said, "I'll bet you a bit about the 2013-14 season instead." And I say actually the complete opposite, because for me, I always wanted the book not to be about the football. I think there's obviously a lot of diaries which focus on the football, and that's absolutely fine, and there's a lot of books about 2013-14, which focus on football as they should. But this book wouldn't have worked for 2013-14, because it's given how fantastic the team was in that season. It would have been weird to write a book about stuff that isn't about the team almost. So the season was ideal for what we were trying to do. And I also went into it knowing that it wasn't going to be as good as 2013-14. I had a sense in the summer, and my talk about it's in the conclusion that me and Cole spoke about putting the book together in June while watching Brazil play Croatian game of the 2014 World Cup in June 2014. And I knew at that stage, just maybe it was my natural pessimism, that the season to come wasn't going to be great. It was going to be slightly anticlimactic. You know, I'm not sure if Suarez has gone by that stage you may have done, but just a sense that we couldn't replicate what we've done the year before. So I kind of knew it was going to be a bit flat, but equally, I didn't think it was going to go as bad as it did. And there were stages during the season around sort of November, and then obviously at the end of the season, I spoke to Karl and said little things like, you know, we might have to change the title of this book just to be a bit more reflective of the season. We might have to change the cover, which is quite an upbeat cover. It shows the celebration from the famous celebration from the Villa game where the players fell into the fans. And I said, maybe we have to change all that because the season has ultimately panned out to be pretty depressing. But we ultimately agreed that, you know, we stay as we are with the title and also with the cover because although the football wasn't great, it was never about the football anyway. So, yes, sorry to answer your question, long-winded way. I don't think the season affected the book too much because we were never reliant on the results, but they were obviously absolutely shocking in the end of the season. Yeah, but they were happily just incidental to what people were writing about. Just one last thing on the book itself. I mean, how did you find the experience? I mean, I imagine it was quite a headache at times. If you have, for example, collections, there are so many open-coming writers out there at the moment, if you're thinking of maybe piecing something together in the way that you did, what would you encourage them? Or would you dissuade them based on your experience? No, absolutely encouraging. I mean, I actually really enjoyed the process. I essentially managed it all. Carl played a great role. He wrote five or six brilliant chapters and brought people in as well. But I essentially managed it all. I was one to kind of maintain the diary and assign sort of 98% of the chapters. And I sent the briefs out and they were emailed back to me. The copy was emailed back to me and I shared it with Carl, et cetera. So it was a full-on process, but I kind of realised during the process and a bit of the control for each actually. And I quite enjoyed managing it all. And it was just a joy, you know, just getting the pieces and reading them. And, you know, everyone pretty much hit the brief. Everyone got what we wanted. And, you know, it was great when it was all coming in. And we knew as this book was building that we had something pretty special in our hands. And it was great to sort of have that knowledge and then be able to obviously release the book a couple of months ago. So now I definitely recommend it to people if you're sort of organised and creative. And they've got the time. Then, you know, do something similar by all means. It's, you know, and we're just really thankful to absolutely everyone who contributed. You know, they did it out their own goodness of their own heart and their own time. And, you know, forever grateful to everyone to, you know, to take their own time out to play a part as well. Well, we're going to come back and get you to sort of maybe highlight how people can get their paws on the book in a few minutes. But just before to kind of move out of wherever else. And it just won't last question on a more general theme. What's your journalistic take in the current situation with the managerial potential newcomer? Are you more of a club fan, too? If you had your pick, or are you an eyebrow fetishist? If I had to take a pick out the two and velocity or club, I'd personally go with Enthalotti. We've done this sort of young dynamic manager with the grand plan and it hasn't worked. And basically, I just want an old fellow who knows how to win trophies. So fed up, you know, sort of jam tomorrow type thing. And it's just kind of one of some trophies. And I think Liverpool need a kind of gnarly experience manager at the moment, because they're just slipping so far off the pack. They need somebody who can just get them back on the map again, even if it's just a lead cup, an FA cup. You don't believe you getting into the top four. But even if he's only there for two or three years, he has that sort of short, sharp impact. I think that's what we need. I have heard people say that the problem with Enthalotti, he's not a man who sort of turns chips around or builds teams. I think someone described him as a finisher. He's a type of guy who comes into a club that's pretty much ready to win trophies and just kind of puts the icing on the cake. And we're not really in that position. The thing with Klopp as well, Klopp has got a fantastic record. What he won two Bundesliga titles. Thank you, Germany. Obviously, to the final as well. We've gone to the Champions League final playing great football. But I wonder, is he a real significant upgrade to Rodgers? Obviously, the people say he will, but he is. I don't know. I just wonder if he's another gamble, to be honest. I mean, all in all, it's a depressing kind of situation at the moment. But I think Klopp is definitely angling for the job. I think these little briefings we've got in the press in the last few days. I don't think they've come from him directly. But they've certainly come from people around him. And he's obviously been happy for them to speak to Germany, saying he'll take this job if it's offered to him. So he's definitely keen. I think deep down, I don't feel an actual lot. He is. So ultimately, if it's a choice between the two, the most likely one is Klopp. Yeah. Well, look, let's come back to the business that we're here to talk to you about, which is wherever we're else. Can you tell us how we can get a pause on that? Yeah, it's on Amazon, which is probably the best way of doing it. So just Google that and find that quite easily. And it's also in the various branches of waterstones, foils, and what's the other one? W.H. Smith, I believe. And in your day, Chiffon B as well, and that we've seen it in your Tesco as well. So it's in those various places. But I would suggest Amazon is probably the best place to get it. You can get it as a Kindle as well. So yeah, no, we recommend it. I mean, obviously it's sort of last season and we're sort of getting quite deep into it. But as I said, I don't, it's not really about the football. And I think it's, I like to think it's quite a time to appeal to every Liverpool fan. Sash, it's fair. Listen, is there an audible version of it? Are an audio version of the book? Oh, yeah. No, there isn't. That leads on to my next question. If you could get somebody to narrate one of your chapters, he would be annoying. One of mine specifically? Yeah, yeah. Because obviously you could get the people who wrote the chapters to narrate their own chapters, which would be interesting. But just so you could pick anyone to narrate yours, who would you go for? Anyone in the world? Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. Bloody hell. You put me in a spot there. I'm going to say Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre. Only because I saw the strike, I come to the film recently. So I see my head. So I'm going to say Dr. Dre. Yeah. I think it'd be quite a good job. It'd wrap it, which would be exciting. That is a, that's, I like that, yeah. Trev, who would you go? Uh, everyone would say Trev, no Trev. No Trev would just still get on Trev. You'd have to narrate yourself Trev. I would, I would get somebody with the most high... Joppa Squally, I'd get to them. Do you know that comedian's dude? Is he still alive? I don't know. I think he is. I don't know. No, I get him today. Some squeaky voice, motherfucker. That's what I get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Sash really, really appreciate the time. That's your plan for next year, Sash. Get people to narrate their own chapters. Yeah. Seriously, all your books are ready. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like it. We're going to put a musical on wherever you are. Uh, the cap for that. Wherever it was the musical. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, I'm all over it. I'm all over it. Right. Thanks, Sash. Appreciate your time. No. I should have given you a few minutes to hit. No, Danny's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. He's tipping away. The door stops. Okay, let's take a look back then at the game. It's just a lovely watch the game so close the end. Okay, so a bit of a review then of the group 3. So basically the way I was looking at this was I was trying to get some initial responses from everybody and you know in so many ways right everything changes will win another ways absolutely nothing changes you look at the nature of the game. The gold's reminders of a year and a half ago the defense reminders of a year and a half ago so look at the wins enjoyable but do you Steve will emerge from that game with it. You're buoyant you for the hope or is it just this situation it's up holding you back. Now with the villa were absolute poison I was at the game and they were fucking terrible like one of the worst sides I've been to a lot of Nellals with Stoke over the last few years and these are worse and they score two goals against us like I always worried about instead with up against Scotland up against our defense basically and even in the first half I was watching them off the ball and stuff like that when the play was away from him. He just looked he looked decent like he actually looked decent but they weren't they weren't utilizing them in the first half. I mean literally not and we gave them a huge amount of possession back just stupid balls that we tried to play or just silly passes probably Emory Chan and Lucas were probably the two that stick out in my head and probably the two that got most groans from the crowd in terms of the amount of times. That's really interesting contrast there between the live experience and the TV experience because the feedback on Twitter and stuff like that immediately after much was a wonderful look as a bin. And you're telling me there was plenty of groans and I actually didn't think Lucas had the worst game ever but that's because I had nothing to throw at him. I mean there was nobody in there to the great white hope of Jack Greenish was taken off after whatever 65 minutes because he wasn't in the game England's Jack. Yeah England's Jack Greenish whoever's out there fucking whoever's been happening you know what I'd be in no way more optimistic had he just decided to declare for Ireland today. Yeah maybe he'd become something but I've not watched him many times and thought there's a real player but anyway getting away from him. They were just so you're over everything is they're so bad it's hard to get too happy. No no my overriding thing is they're so bad and they still score two goals against us and we in no way looked like we would close it out at two even. Like I was sitting there thinking this equalizer is going to come. Yeah you know Andy I know you're keen to get into the details of the game itself but we won't do that just now so just a general reaction to the idea of a win. Does it relaunch anything? No because I just looked at three games at home as they sort of a group of games. A group and like Norwich at home they were horrible. Caroline who are in some mad division. Do you want to be beaten by Newport at the weekend? Yeah there you go. And they like 10 or 12 to that lake or something like that. And then Villa who are probably next worst to Norwich so we've got two draws in the win and a goal difference of one. Yeah. What's the three positive? Look I know I missed a positive if it can look if it can find something. I'll go Roy let's let's roll it here and maybe that little glimmer I hope we can see something happening. I'm not going to get excited over that win. Like I mean if they last like fans would win to belive us so you don't go from losing the win and that it's all gold again. You know it's that margin. Although that's what our fans are a bit like at the moment but no fuck that. Like let's see how we do on the derby before we start getting excited about turning this season around. Okay fair enough Phil I'm going to you can respond to that one quickly yourself to just the overall feel of the but we might as well get into the actual match itself and talk about a few things that are actually good before we start. It'd be inevitable. So just initially what your response to that idea of is there some sort of hope to go with that win and then when you get into talking about Danny Sturridge for me. It does no hope. Excellent. There's just nothing. There's a big there's a big abyss that we're falling. It's the black hole we're just getting closer and closer and closer to being spaghetti for it. Can we just put that over the admin with some music? Danny Inks tight did very well walked his arse off right. Hey you're fucking killing me agenda here. You said storage right. You said fine parts done so I'm fine on some parts. I'm sorry I spelled I N G S. Yeah but fuck is spell Danny anyway. Inks storage. Yeah. Welcome back to his. Yeah. Yeah. Looking back. He's actually not just can I can I go? No shut the fuck up. He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. Stay home. I'll just edit you out there. That's fine. Anyway storage looking back to him in terms of why he finished he was moving quicker. He looked a lot freer. Did you think so immediately or was it did he build himself into it? It seemed it seemed to just click one of my top. Yeah primarily. Yeah. Look but that's what's going to happen. If that has been ill for like a hundred years. Like he's been ill for as long as you have. So you know it's going to take him a while to. This is come back alive. Well to be fair. But in fairness this recording I've made a view from while bits that have taken out of what are parts is working at the moment. But apart from that like I saw people go on about the link or play again with the link or play again with continue those maybe three or four occasions where it happened. And I think what's happened is we've been so utterly shit for most of this season. Right. Yeah. That once we see one or two things happen straight away we're saying yeah that's. Look at the link or play brilliant. Look at this brilliant. More or less what you said. We seem to be a better attacking chef but to emphasize Steve was point. Aston Villa are horrific. I don't I'm struggling to think of a team that I've seen as bad as Villa where at the weekend. A genuine yam. And you can only beat what's in front of you and we made really hard work beating them. But did we? Yeah. Yeah. You go with the scoreboard. No I'm going by watching 90 minutes of football and you know you do get a different perspective at the game compared to when you're watching on TV. And we made hard work of it. You know what I mean? Was that the anxiety? You don't feel like sorry. Yeah. Go on. You don't feel like any stage we could run away or like sort of thing. No. I didn't get that feeling even even a two nil. No. And as soon as two one hit it was just like old bollocks when you could hear that. Yeah. But I don't even I just mean everybody just you could see it in the players. You know what I mean? And um sac or probably spent. I'd say maybe five minutes. We went up the other end and scored immediately. Like within what two minutes? Three minutes. And me and they came running out of the goal and sort of ran up the sack as if to say right. We're back in this. Let's put that behind us. And soccer was still saying no get off your fucking line. You know what I mean? And he was like he was really like having a pop out of him over it saying you need to do better. You need to come out and claim that because me and I yet again was I understand it was probably skeletal and sac or could have done better. I've not watched it back. I just saw it in real time. But me and I was really. For the first one where it's put across the face. I guess that gets in. Yeah. Lucas is track at the cross. And then it comes across. I know exactly. Probably could have caught it. Yeah. Yeah. You could have put a drawing expecting many like to be standing behind him. You're your keeper should be a. Yeah. Like the keeper. He gets it to the line. You don't like what I mean with that is your keeper is a yard off the line. He gets that ball. He just claims it straight off. And he still doesn't get beaten at his. It's a. It's a cutback cross isn't it? Like it's coming away from goal. And I don't think it did. I think it came straight across. Now maybe I'm not looking. It looks fairly. It did look fairly straight in terms of what comes across. But from. I suppose. I don't know. You're talking with the positives. You're talking about the positives. No. It's just so hard. Haven't gone through the running games and the runner results and the runner performance. Right? Often when you come out of a bad spell, you get a scrappy win. And that was a scrappy win. But at this point, the thing is again, so good. And he said it. Look how Steve says. Another shit team turns up around field. Basically shit teams are coming to Anfield. They're not trying to attack us. And we're struggling to break them down. There was times where you're saying to says if we take someone we made some better chances. And if we take the better chances, possibly we score loads. But like how many times how many games are we going to say? Well, had we scarred all those chances? You never scored all those chances in a match. You never do. So it's about, there is that there is an anxiousness now that's there between the fans. And you can even see the players on the pitch. Like what you said, when they get the goal back at 2-1, there's a nervousness. If we don't go, I'm convinced. If we don't immediately go and score that toward there. That goes, yeah. That goes too far. They still score a second. Yeah. Like here's the thing, right? We're talking about three teams who've come to Anfield in the last three home games. And made no attempt to really attack. Like Norwich, Carlisle, Villa. And yet, four goals have been scored by those three teams with no attempt. So we struggled to break them down. They're sitting back and not really trying to come at us or open up and go at us. Yet they still get their goals that shouldn't be happening. And we still struggled to break them down. So you think back to the old days of say a Rafa team or whatever else. And teams came and parked the bus. Well, then it ended in a lot because we couldn't break them down. But there was no way they were getting a goal that day. It was the same West time, like the West time game. No matter any time they got a forward, it looked like they were going to score. That inevitability, that horrible sink. Look, I'm going to be relentlessly trying to focus on the positive goals. Because to be fair, one of the things that alleviates that situation, all of you have spoken about, is the fact that Dan and Sturridge is there. And he is scoring goals. He can score goals. We have that. But also the man beside me, you are a little tear. I mean, I think I fucking love that fella. I wouldn't go that far. Listen, what I've learnt about him is he's mobile, right? And one of the big problems that Rogers has never tweaked, and never cupped since he lost Suarez, is why were he so good at attacking when Suarez was there? Basically because they'd lads who ran everywhere. I went there and never got busy, right? And he's got it. And he keeps signing fucking beanpoles. And then he gives out that there's no mobility and there's no movement going around, right? The fella's a clown, right? So basically we've got, I think I said I'm Freud and I said, "I fancy a chance as to Bashfiller purely because Ings and Sturridge are starting up front and we've got a mobile straight force again." And just naturally, he likes to run. He likes to press. He reminds me an awful lot of John Aldridge in that he isn't technically the greatest player in the world, but he walks his fucking sack off. And he has a threat in the box. I don't think he might be as good a gold scorer as John Aldridge, let's say, but he has those good traits in the box. He reminds me a dark out. That's what he reminds me of when I was saying to the people there just with that relentless work rate, someone that you couldn't have played Aldridge wide on the right. I don't think maybe it did happen at some point, I don't know. But he never stood out as somebody that you could play Ings out in one of those wide forward positions. No problem. I know that he would give you something defensively. Oh, he played that wide against it, didn't he? Yeah, he wasn't. And he was there. Well, listen, he played wing back against you. He was clever enough. I'm talking about him. I'm talking about being able to play a wide forward position in the way that Sterling and storage did in that tree. You know what I mean? No. He's an out and outside of the fard. You don't do that on what they do against you, not reinventing. No. You shouldn't be paying back. For his first game as well. You could do it against Villa when you know he's playing it wide, but he's going to get up forward. 100%. You're not going to see a walk away from him. But I'd rather see him saying we're not playing out there. Yeah, 100%. And you could do it to him if he played five games. Yeah. His first game in against United. And you're asking him to do that job. But again, it looks like one of those things that happens sort of whatever the reason for it is. But those two look like our best two up front now. And it looks like something could really work. And Andy, when you free up Phil Coutinho, it's actually past the ball of the people. People who are making angles and making spaces and running in behind. Yeah. In a way that despite his best efforts, Christian pancake is not going to do. He's a different player. He's not shooting 89 times a game and a sheer frustration. So that lifts the whole thing up, doesn't it? The whole unit. You don't have to have Luis Juarez in the team to play like the team with Luis Juarez in there. That's it. You don't. Like you're just players that are pressing hard and running down. They're forcing mistakes. It doesn't take long for a defender to get a pain in his whole panicking on the ball. Before he starts releasing it a bit earlier. And when you release the ball earlier, you're not getting up. You're not getting settled. And the ball gets sprayed out to a full back or whatever. And straight away, there's someone else on them. So you don't get that from having been taken. I know I'm saying that. I've been taken as a good tool to have. It's a squat game. You know, and him getting in and out of the team is going to start itself. Because you will have things picking up an opportunity. Absolutely. Storage picking up a block or two. You could play to trade them some games. So it's not like we have to nail concern about this 22 million pound player. Who's not going to play any games? Because that's bollocks. And there's a bit more dynamic to Liverpool. Potentially. If we're here to get it, Roy. Fortunately, he had all of the fucking much confidence in it, Roy. But if you've got the Roy manager, they're going to change the manager. I think there's a brilliant squad there. And all it needs now is the managers are a bit more fate in the players. Because he has some shackled. He's afraid of his own shadow nail Rogers. And he's afraid of losing his job. Has been for ages. And it's obvious they're on the pitch. You don't even get the players running off to the ref. And they're just playing with a bit of fear. And it's not necessary. We used to play with so little fear with Suarez there. He has them shackled now. It's all fair in the fans. I mean, I don't like people abuse on Rogers, but it's unfair. Well, we're touching that later on. We're talking about the difference between the team that went out against Carlisle and the team that went out against Bordeaux and the difference in the situation, and the manager situation at that time, and what got him from stuff. But Phil, I don't know if you want to move back the way a bit from the front and start talking about what the midfield looks like now behind where we have a front to. Look at it. To be straight with you. I'm happy that we're front to. For our Coutinho again, the one thing I thought was very interesting, Coutinho was dropping very deep into midfield to pick the ball up and run at teams. So essentially, this idea that Lucas had this amazing game, right? But he had nobody. Nobody got sat on Lucas like most teams do when they're playing against him and then just use his weaknesses as a fulcrum for it to give them a platform when they play against us. And that's not taking it. That's not slagging off Lucas. That's just generally what teams do when he plays there. It's actually what Villa have done to us on a couple of occasions in the last couple of years. And that's the exact same thing which are arid in the semi-final last year. They put somebody on him and just outran him in the midfield. And he sees him before as well. So look, he did, he can only play in what's in front of you. He played OK in terms of what he's done. It's what you'd expect. And this is what annoys me around the narrative. I think people got so lost in the fact that we actually won a match that if you stand back cold and look at that game a second time, you realize that it wasn't a brilliant performance. It wasn't an amazing performance. It was the minimum that you'd expect from a Liverpool team in a home match. And you'd still be disappointed that we conceded goals. So when I look at Milner, Milner had the bit between his teeth because he's playing against his old club. But I think it was his best game and about three or four matches for us. You got his goal within two minutes. You got his goal, so it lifts them up and the whole up. But again, it's Milner and Lucas as a team in that midfield. And only that Coutinho was able to drop back in and augment them. I think that's what really helped him out. Yeah. Coutinho was deeper than Lucas even at times picking up the ball. Yeah, picking up the ball. Here's a question for you, Steve. If you want to take it, what is James Milner? What am I looking at when I see James Milner playing these days? I don't know whether we know yet because it's been tough for him and he's had to play in different formations. He's had to play with different partners all within a very short space of time. No, I know you're a professional footballer. You should be able to adapt to different situations or whatever else. I think he's a decent box-to-box midfielder. I think that's what he is. I think that's what he was when he signed. I think that's what he'll continue to be. I don't see him as some sort of deep-lying playmaker. I don't see him as a defensive midfielder. I don't see him as being able to play off the centre forward. I think you're getting a box-to-box higher-premise-hip standard midfielder. Not the very top level, but you're getting a good quality signing and I think he's a good addition to our squad. Is it the Brendan Rodgers factor? I suppose what I'm thinking is, if there's a change-up, does he suddenly find himself not the automatic choice? Because he was backing Brendan like a good thinker. Of course he was. He's not the captain. Yeah, he's the standing captain at the moment. That manager has just brought him in and told him he's going to be playing center. But were you seeing him? Of course he did. I can see him working in that area if he's got Henderson and Catenio. But what happens when we're under the caution? You do actually need a defensive-minded player. Can he do that or? No, probably. Well, I don't know. I don't know because I've not seen him there and we've not tried to play him there. And, you know, regardless of what people think, I still don't break Lucas to do for us when we're under the caution either. So, you know, we yet again are in a season whereby we don't have the player that we should have constantly say we actually need in that squad. It doesn't mean we have to play him every game. But we don't have a player that's capable of doing that job. That's mobile enough to do the job. But that's, I suppose, that's the bigger picture. I think you were talking about positives there. I think Nathaniel Klein was a massive positive on Saturday as well. I know. I was definitely picked up as a game. I noticed an unwillingness to play the ball to Klein. Right? A lot of the time, ball came out from Skirtle to Chan. And he was looking for the ball to Lucas. I was looking to go back to Skirtle. And I mean, the crowd were... Actually, Chan got annoyed a couple of times and led a roar back to the crowd, as if to say, "Fuck off and let me play my own game." Really? Yeah, honestly, because there was a lot of times that Klein was... Klein was nearly up on their left back and 10, 15 yards away from him. Hugging the touchline, looking for that ball early off, Chan. And he wasn't getting it. But there you go. There you go. He's shackled. He's afraid. Possibly so. Possibly so. But what I'm saying is... Whatever Rogers is telling him to do, clearly, Chad will play that ball out there. Yeah, he's not playing it. He's not playing it. And we've seen it. He's coming inside to Lucas and he's going back to Skirtle. He's going back over to Skirtle. We've even seen Richard in the team last year, with that obviously in his locker. Doing things like that. Just going back and saw it. Yeah. And the crowd were in. Fuckin'. He's up when they were interested in them or whatever else. It's interesting if you're saying that because I think we haven't seen as many of the passes that Psycho likes to play down to the outside left to Moreno. Yeah. You know the way... That pass was one of his trademarks last year, where I was down the flank to get Moreno on his bike. Yeah. Take the right winger out. Yeah. I'm not seeing that pass as much either. He's got a cool back and saw it. He played a couple of absolutely. Reaction. Fucking 70, 70-yard diagonal balls over to Moreno. Smashing balls. Yeah. But I'm talking about when the simple 10 or 15-yard pass to Klein was on. He wasn't getting it. And that surprised me. And that was first half. Because he's probably... Like if he plays it into Klein and there's not too far to go, like if the defender reads that pass, it's going back and top of chance. Yeah. And come back and top him. He makes the mistake. Yeah. And then he's the one... He's the one to blame. Yeah. Especially if the manager has told him not to do that because then he gets it. I told you not to do that. Yeah. You've done it. Hasn't worked. And you've caused... But Andy, you're talking about Shackleson and Fels being held back. And yet, he's gone to his default three at the back. And he's got what... Listen. We might need a great here, but he's got what most people will consider the three best people in there to man those positions. We've got the two people we wanted on either side. We've got Chan with the ability to move right and suck on the move left. And yet, like we said earlier on, we're conceding two goals. Now, look, I think there was an awful lot of shit talk. Those were incredible headers. That was certainly that same one. Yeah. That's four score. It was a horrific backup, though. With four score. No, no, no, no. True. But that's only one of us finishes that. That's unforgivable before a defender. Boy. Chan's not a defender. So we'd give him a little bit. But Twitter's full of like, oh, Psycho's getting out jumped. Look, that's fucking incredible. I don't know. I don't get out, John. It's incredible. There's no less to bring on you. Yeah. Yeah. And you've been saying that has never played football. Yeah. Clearly. They haven't. Because if I have the Ronan tackle and I'm going for a fucking seven or something like that, I'm winning the ball. Yeah. So we're crossing it. Like, you have to run on them. Unless Saturday, just like all you do is you get off of them and it happens all the time. You see smaller, smaller, shorter guys winning bars in the box all the time. Yeah. And instead is not small. Are you bigger than psycho? What they're not looking at is the fact that. Gustavo is expecting the cross, all Gustavo has to do is run and attack the ball. Yeah. Psycho has to be aware of the player's movement. He can't, well, like, Psycho isn't going to just say, bollocks this, going down to run and attack the ball and attack Gustavo. Because if he does, he probably gets their area and buries it into the, into the, into the any road end. But you've, you will not see a defender do that because if he missed your times or whatever, he's out of the game. Yeah. And Gustavo is also in. Yeah. The only thing on the front, I think to an extent he probably tried to do is you try and disrupt the header. That's, I mean, he tried to throw the player. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Block is momentum and he tried to get up in front of him for the fortune. He connected with it. Yeah. But back to, back to the shackles lads. We still got three in the back. This is obviously his, it's Brendan's look, let's throw this at it and try this. Yeah. He's, he's, he's. He knows a war class season where ship and goals and he says the only time last season that we, we, we didn't ship goals when we did this. It's sad. It's sad to think that we can't. We can't believe in himself. Well, we've got it. We've got the potential to have a fucking brilliant, but we clearly can't play a bad tree either because we conceded two goals in a very poor team. So, you know, the idea of, of, of the caution, it's redundant. I do. You get that feeling that that, that those defenders do not trust manually. You, you, which is bad, which is terrible because terrible, but it's probably justified as well. You know what I mean? And I'm not meaning to, to bash him, but, you know, he was, he was poor at the weekend. You know, it's the formation or videos and just to kind of hopefully get some points. So, but long term, it's a, it's a flower formation, long term, because you've, you know, you've a waste of a player at the back there, unless you play, as Phil has said, a lot of the times on here and last season, he played Jan in the middle and he comes, he comes out with the bar. Yeah. And he's playing, I know he does come out with a, but it disrupts the shape when he's on the right side. Well, if you can come out and you don't have like a hold me, feel like Lucas there. Charlie comes to Holland player and he comes out with the ball and then you've been Lucas and you put in, you know, it may feel a little bit more about him, then it, then it, you know, it has to become more about ways and you, you're short defense and then you go going forward. But, but that long term is, is loud. Try, just, just on it, right? Well, I just been at the club for four years now. Right. Four seasons. A strong defensive, a prolonged, strong defensive unit, any stage, right? So for him to even think about being solid at the back is madness. He should be just thinking about how do I make this team score a billion goals again, right? And then, and stop worrying about the stuff. Yeah. And stop worrying about the defense because he's not solving it. Everything he's doing to serve it hasn't worked. So eventually forget about the fucking thing and just try to figure out how am I going to score a load of goals? That's what we all hoped would happen this year, wasn't it? But I think when everyone thought it was going to be this, you know what I'm saying? He's under pressure. He's going to go balls out and he hasn't. He's come, he's, you know, for a long time he's come out and he says mad things or even he says things that sound great at the time and then completely contradicts them. So during the summer, you've got, you know, Chan's agent coming out and saying we sat down with the manager. He's just, you know, he's going to play center midfield that he's going to be a key member for the squad this season. Rogers is coming out saying I've sat down with him and I've told him he can be a dynamic midfielder that dictates the game. Within three premiership matches, he's reverted Chan out of midfield. But they probably don't the same looking at his performances. But we've never played him in the position that he said we're going to play him in. He said he was going to play him in a position where he's going to dictate the play and he hasn't won the play. He's going to take what he's saying is he's promised he's going to play him as the whole midfielder. Yeah. Instead with Milner and Henderson either side you would have thought instead he gets them to play box to box and then then back to right center back. Sure. He hasn't played as a number 10. Yeah. That's that's fair enough for you. You know, so that's just one example of the sort of things he comes like he loves to back himself. He loves to back himself and he loves to come out with the sound bites about how how brilliant he is at this that and the other. But you know, you have to earn a right to do that. And in the last 18 months, he hasn't, you know, if you're going to stop leaking goals, you have to be more compact like he's never he's never sent a team of compact. So you've got tight lions and, you know, as soon as the bar goes in between them, someone nipping in. Yeah. He's never done that. So he's kind of done, he's a he's half the one that finds a hybrid of everything. So if you want to, if you want to stop leaking goals, you play tight alliance and a compact and much more organized and players don't get very loose the way he sets up. Yeah. But then when we do get the ball and you're supposed to be going forward and you're supposed to utilise the idea that the way they're loose and fluid, they don't go forward. They don't, they don't get enough bodies forward. They don't get, they don't break it up and use the ball properly. And if they like, like I just believe that the shotguns are on, there's a bit of a fear in the team. They don't do that. Well, it's worse than I know what you're saying. It's worse than both worlds. So he wants to stop leaking goals. He has to set more like, more, you know, there's an also not a great example of the way it is the amount or the way your affidavit and you just make it very, very difficult. Your player is behind the ball and you keep your, you keep your alliance and, but again, go on. So again, top of the goals, right, and looking at the three goals that we scored, all of those goals are the best things that we've done in terms of the way we played. The little interchanges between continue and storage. The outside of the bill finished by storage. It's just delectable. You've got the, you know, you've got a sort of goal where he just cuts inside and he rolls apart. Like he uses, storage uses the defender to, to, to, to, to the skies where he's going to put the shot because it just passes around on it into the empty net. He's gone to the touch. Yeah. It's, it came, I can't, it came, I can't, like, can't predict where to go if it does not back. Exactly. So to hit what it looked like to, to the cables, just another touch. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, those are the things that we need that should be harnessed and should be focused on and say, say, right, look, you know, we can do this. Yeah, we have a great ability. Hang on a second. I've got two mobile center forwards here. Jesus. I completely forgot about this. Catina will just behind him. It's, it's starting to happen. Even though the miller is gone. Even though the miller is gone. Yeah. Catina, of course, inside the little ball, inside, milling the tawnes hits it, he hits it early as well. He was, and isn't expected to be hit that early and it's, it's, it's, it's a strike. It's in the back of that. And you're looking at it. You're saying it was, and it was a quick start. It was a goal after two minutes. All that year that we scored loads of goals, we used to score really early in matches. We used to hit teams and it changed the whole complexion of how the game has to be played from then on. Because those teams can't just sit there, they're already one-nil down. They can't just sit there. They have to come at you a bit, which then leaves space for continue to operate in. And if you've got two center forwards, it also means that the two, that, that, that we don't just have one fellow up there being marked by two center backs on most occasions. And then we wonder what he's isolated because when the bar goes up to him, you've got two lads, one fucking stands behind him, the other fellow gets in front and blocks off the, the true ball to him. So all those things are the good things that we've done under Rogers, right? And that's what I'm saying. The match was a minimum for what we should expect. But again, there's too many questions coming out the back end of it. There's too many, there's too many times that he's saying to yourself, "Fucking it's really like they're absolutely short." And we're still coughing up chances, like the two goals to score. In the fourth half, there's that mix up that goes on the box again that drops to get instead, and he lets Floyd and it just goes, it went, it went, it goes, that was horrendous to watch. But that's not the fourth time we've had bad clearances in the boxes in the last couple of games. This is endemic to the way this team defends. It's not just, it's not just, you can't keep saying, "Oh, well, it's individual errors. It's individual errors." Right? There's a really, there has to be something systemic for constant individual errors in every single game. There's a flaw in the, in the core defensive philosophy of the team, you know what I mean? It's, it's players not trusting each other defensively. It happens second half as well between Sacco and Chan, and eventually Chan clears it. But they are literally, who's doing what? Who's doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? He was doing what? It's, it's players not trusting each other defensively. It happens second half as well between Sacco and Chan, and eventually Chan clears it. He was from a set piece where by a fail, because there were other players in the box as well if they were not. Yeah, we're, we're, we're. Well, well, then it does, I suppose, are we talking ourselves right? Because we're eventually, we need to address the answer. So we're very good. Yeah, we did. Well, are we talking ourselves around to the idea that not only are the tactics kind of, um, slapdash and emergency and what do I need today to get my arts out of this life, but also selections, because that's what really struck me with some of the recent games, like the team that went out in Europe and the team that went out in the league cup, should have been reversed surely, should have been a stronger team in Europe. And when you think about the carrot that's at the end, we don't, we don't. We don't. The fucking idiocy of the selections that are going on in the Europa League to the fucking Carlin Cup. Yeah. You win the Carlin Cup and you'll get into the Europa League like that. That's easy. You see, I know, I know what it is, but that, that Carlin Cup team wasn't going out like that. Had we spanked Naruto? That's, this is my point. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't. You know what I mean? The selection of the selection is not a long term plan. No, it's governed by saving his life. Of course it is. And why wouldn't it be? What's the point in him looking at the long term aspects of the club? Yeah. If he's fired in three weeks, I'm like, let's, let's bring this back in and think about the human element of it, right? He's a man who absolutely has taught every, we're not saying anything here that's new to him. You sit down and have, any one of us sat down and had a conversation with Brendan Rodgers now and went, you know what you're doing wrong, Brendan? You should stop playing through the bag and Lucas was, you know, he's tired of all these things. He's a fucking professional. We're not being. We're not being. It hasn't been. It hasn't been. No, no. All along in this podcast, we haven't been on fair. No. Like, he failed. He failed. He failed. He doesn't stand for the collective. But you know, like, I think he shall have been of empty towards and like, you know, I think he's showing his best. But I'm saying that's not a good one. And like you say, if he's gone in three or four weeks or whatever, he's going to want to leave the club in the go position as well. He doesn't want them gone out of the league, or Barry. I don't even see it that way. I just see it as he can play for the team that he will, things will win the next match for him. He's working from game to game at home, trying to win the next match. But in the opening, he could afford to go over to bar down, lose the game and still qualify through the group or you could afford to draw or whatever, like, you know, he can get away on him. I don't feel annoyed. I think it's my to think that he couldn't be Caroline with his second string team. Of course it is. I think of course it is. Yeah. Well, maybe I think they felt the pressure and he wanted to get the fans performance and he wanted to play the best players that he might have had that stick these out and we're just going to blitz this. But you know, we do this regularly, especially on the Rogers, he has a little bit of a habit of doing this. And it never works. We never go out and blitz a league one or a league two. From memory, I think when he's more secure, if he was more secure in this position, there's a great chance that Rossler would have got a game against Norwich because he'd done so well in Europe. Yeah. Certainly, he should be playing the league cup, but there's not, there's no sign. Yeah, I'm not even that bothered by Rossler, but my point is it's indicative of the mindset. I think you, I think if you put a second string, if you want to call it that side out against Caroline, you actually disrupt the psyche of Caroline. I think you put out a full strength side against Carlisle, two things happen. Their game plan changes because they're back to the wall and they're thinking, I'm up against talking the top players here, I want to put on the best performance possible. They start coming up against Jordan Rosseter, Divock Origi, you know, all the lads that aren't getting in really, you know, whoever might be that's in that side for the second string team. All of a sudden, they think, you know what? It doesn't matter if we're at Anfield, we have a chance against these. They open up a little, they expand and all of a sudden you can, you can punish them with the level of player that you have. Even if that means bringing a couple of your better players off the bench, the whole psyche and the whole mindset of how they're set up is different. And that's, that's how I feel he should have approached it, but he didn't because he wants to try and save his job. What, what? And he got it wrong. What you're saying is basically what we've been saying on and on and I'm tired and I'm really tired of having the same conversation about taking a few weeks off about the selections about the players because it's the same problems over and over again. That's ramped up to a new level. It's no, it's people who only coped on. I don't think so. They fucking have. I don't think so. All the things, all the things that people have only torn on Roger's reasoning. I think it's not because it didn't cop on. You can't hold it. Yeah. Well Andy, I'm sorry, but the things that people are giving out about now are the stuff that we were giving out about them for last year in the whole lot. Today was a, today was a great example of criticizing Roger's for stuff that has been gone on since day one and that's his comments in the media. Like it reached an all-time fucking heart. No. But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's because everyone is on board now. Yeah, but because in June 13, 14, we were sitting around here talking about him talking too much and when he ever just showed up, you know, you know, to shut the fuck up from day one. Because it football will just boych in the bollocks and then, then people that are, they're taking down all these comments and all the media, they're just, they're calling that and they bring it up whenever the time is like, but that's where my all his buddies from Fleet Street are now turning on him, you know. Brendan Rogers is the biggest self-publicist here, right? Yes. And he's, some of the stuff that he's come out with is, is, is a clear attempt by him to maintain his own face, right? In terms of this, the, the, the show about if he's given the tools, he can do the job, right? You know, that's trying to change what's gone on over the summer time because at the same time, you've got the, the same number of people of journals back in August saying that Brendan Rogers more or less given free reign of the, of the committee this year and these are all his players. It's the most surprising of all the quotes because it's hard to ask in that it throws lads under the boss and it completely abdicates responsibility. Yeah. But, and I'm not going at them for, for the quotes because as Andy says, I've just stopped listening to him. Yeah. At this point in time, he's going to say anything to maintain the call to Brendan. Yeah. I've not looked at a Rogers press conference from the three months into his room. The only, yeah, the only way to say is like vines and clips and all like that. And they, and they, and they just, the ephemeral of the stories and I just realized you can't listen to this. Jesus. I've, I've to write about this more stays. I know. I'm actually slightly mental listening to it. Yeah. But, but this is what I said to you earlier on. It has exacerbated over the last couple of weeks and the, the insanity of it and the strangeness of the selection. So it's like everything is just a slightly exaggerated version of what you said. Then we, the thing we use to pick up on, I think you see that from every manager when they're under pressure. You know what I mean? You do. And, and this is the first time he's truly been under pressure. Even if he lost his job at the end of last season, he wasn't probably feeling pressure in April. You know what I mean by that. It was just the calamity that was the last six or eight games that everybody went off. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a change. Now he's at the start of a season when it's gone badly and he's looking at how do I get to May? How do I get this back on track and get me to the end of this season, regardless of what happens in between. He's now on defend Brendan mold, but I'm rightly so. I, I reserve the fucker in this situation. I have to say, I resent the fucker as a fan who gives such a shit about every single thing. The fact that you just have a feeling it's this dead, it's an inevitability. Can we not just move on to the next day so I can get invested. Okay. Come on. Come on. But here's the thing. There are examples of managers coming back from the brink. Yes, there are. There are. Not many, but there are. Right. And then England is fair. He was gone after five seasons. It's not much. He was on the way. Yeah. He was on the way. The fans are torn against them and everything. Yeah. Isn't seven points from our next three games brings Rogers back right around. That's what, and that's, but that's the toilet. See, that's, that to me is where if you actually look at what he says, all he has to say after that match on Saturday was, I'm glad we got the win. You know, in situations like this, it's just about getting three points. It doesn't matter how we get them. I'll take the three points and look, we'll look to improve and improve our defense and stuff like that. Not the madness that comes in. Yeah. No, he's gone the exact opposite. He's sent McAllister to do the pre-match and the post-match press conference after the car load again. Yeah. Right. And then gets away as soon as he gets the win. When he's back out with the man who's gangster rabbling on, and he's, you know what I mean? He's talking to everybody in the press that'll listen to him. And that's, that's disappointing. But you know what? Let's, let's honestly forget it. It doesn't matter whether he, whether he hates the press and never talks to him or whether he comes out with shit week after week after week, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't. If he's delivering on the pitch. I don't remember. And like, for a fair game at the time, when he was five seasons into the job, none of the scores. None of the scores. I thought it was matchable. I was like, it's on your gut. But it all happened, like, you know, at, you know, the right time for a fair game, like the way the money, the record, and all that, and the way all these players and the, and the youth set who came along and did the business for him. So like, it clicked, you know, for Rogers to taunt things around fair game style. It's a lot of, it's a lot of, it's a lot of situations that aren't a completely elves control. Like, I don't, I don't foresee him sorting this out at all. Like, there was a stage where last season was thinking, we did have 13, 14. He did. He was responsible for a lot. It wasn't just Suarez. He had them playing the way they were playing. We've seen last season and he's continued into the season prior to last season. That's, that's why I'm so concerned now and I can't even imagine a tornado here. The only way this works in my mind is he gets a slightly back on track and Chelsea have another wobble and they have the wobble. They're not bringing an ancillary back. So the other option is, is club maybe that comes in there, okay, but the thing is there could be just enough of an unsettling period with that that allows top four to open up for us. And the door is going to, the door is going to open for somebody, you know, and the way, the way it's gone for a city to last a couple of games, like, you know, at the start of the season, I felt that city would be the one that opened the door and then they, they made a shot and fell down me and they started off so strong, but you can see now. You can see now. Once they're a couple of players are just, just, just because you know, they're sitting top of the league. No, they shouldn't be top. That mentalist could drive them into the, but they know, you know what? They've got, they've got three hard games coming up now. What have they got? City, Arsenal, and Everton in their next three. So the door is a jar if, if we want to drive on through it. Yeah. You know what? In our next six games, we've, we've, you know, chancey away and we've, we've serious run again. The thing is, we, we come out of that, it's unlikely, but let's, let's call a spade displayed here. We've had a bad run of results against bad teams, mostly our best footballers come against the best team we've played. If for whatever reason, we're a team at the moment that raises their game for the better teams and we come out with that six games with, I don't know, let's say 13 points from six games. We're, we're probably sitting second or toward the peak on here realistically. I mean, just think about it. That, that will be every difficult game gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, every game becomes very winnable. Yeah. Like you've got all the teams at home. You know, you've got those hard games out of the way. You've a completely different mindset on the, on the team. You've got Henderson coming back. You've got Ben Techie coming back, which has given competition up top. You know, you, you start, everything starts to seem more positive again. So regardless of the likelihood of that, can I just say to you that, I haven't listened to, you know, virtually every podcast in the world over the last while. This is the first time I've heard a discussion where there's not this inevitability of Brandon being gone very soon. I don't think he is. So, so we were actually talking about this season as a big chunk of games now looking forward to it on the Brandon. Yeah. Well, sorry to have like, I think that that now would be a great time to destroy. Now would be a great one, because if you had a new manager come in, when you have all these difficult games, you know, the way the team raised the game for a new manager. Yeah. And the, like the hysteria would flip the other way. Yeah. Club, if he came in as the only manager that would get unanimously the fans behind him, like it would just torn on his head completely. And if you don't have everybody with baseball cups and glasses in the car, it's not a selection of I'd say, but what are like magic that's going on, which you would have that. You know, what are like magic that's going on? We're playing against like, uh, sit your way, chairs, your way, spores away, everything away. Obviously it's not going to happen before everything, but that would be a fucking great time for the change to happen. Yeah. And then when you're coming up to Christmas there and you're getting into the business and, you know, you can go into the back end of the season where all them teams are home and you have a great chance of doing something. We won't do it on our Rogers. If Rogers tore his things around, I'm only waiting for it to stop, for a team to cop on, come down field and then lead the, um, set the reasons for the rest of the things things come down. This one's the first ones you did. Yeah. And it's constantly fucking happening, you know, you know, it's, it is, I've, I'm firmly in the belief. And I said this back in the summer that we, he will be here to next summer, unless a complete and emissigated disaster happens, he's, he's very much, he won't rock the boat against FSG, as we can see. It's everyone else's fault, but not the club and the owners and him are great mates. Right. So look, he's out there. He's, he's been very clear to not piss off his employers. Who was the, who was the day you got to build the tools then? The players. The players. Have I given the tools? Yeah. He's just that, he's throwing his players under the bus there. There's no other way. No, no, no, no, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's not the players can't give them the players. I have to. And it, and it does, that's not FSG given the tools. He's not, he's not having a pop of the owners. He's having a pop at the people who are, who are helping them on the transfer for me. Yeah. I think, I think that'll be more of a showy. Maybe it's not. Or a showy. But I didn't, I didn't, I didn't want to say any more. Yeah. Like, he shouldn't have said it for stuff, but all I'm saying is that he's going to be here to next summer, barring a complete and utter disaster and a breakdown in performances. Right? Quite possible. So, you know, people need to get over it. Club will be at a different club, but a toy in Brendan Rodgers is being taken out the job next summer. It's a, it's a mathematical thing as opposed to a, yeah, it's sort of just them reacting to a fan. Yeah. And they're, yeah, they're looking at it and saying, we are only whatever five points off the top. The only, the only thing on the, I'm sure they do, and I think they're clever on us. So I think they're looking at points, Martin position, the leg position, the leg is just false, like, you know, because at the end of the day, if you, if you worked this out over 38 games, we finished 25 points off the lead. So that's the other way of looking at it as well. It is a very small gap to close, but based on our form to date, there's nothing that suggests we're going to close that gap. In fact, it will only continue to blow. The only thing that kills America is poor performances, which stop the crowds going to Anfield. And you could see the amount of spares that were available for a villa, which hasn't happened. I couldn't get rid of, I had a spare ticket, um, in, in with me. I couldn't sell it before the game. I ended up having the ring that was giving me this bear, tell them to come in to watch the match. Right. And then, and then there was a, there was a queue and the stewards were telling me to not sell my ticket to people, even though I was still trying, but the stewards were saying to me, there's a couple of hundreds still at the box office. No, truthfully in the ground, it didn't look like, no, but there is. And as soon as that happens, that's, that is the war sign for him because if the crowd stopped turning up in the way they did for Hudson, then that will force F.S. to act, that would take wretched results though, because we have got stories, we have had wretched results. Oh, like they're already just, there's general tickets on sale again for the C on game on tours, which you'd expect. Well, that's that's, you know, if we, if we, if we, if we lose the Derby to Everton, I know we're going to talk about, no, but if we lose it, right? And it kicks off the runner, a strong, a runner results that aren't great, then you'll be able to pick up pick up tickets. No problem. Like you can already do it at the moment. Yeah, well, look, that kind of set us up nicely to talk about the games that are coming up and the two games we have coming up next week. Right, we start again with the cake fart introduction from London. So, cake farts, guys, looking up. I, I go again with a tag there at the start of, start of our time, maybe, just genuinely crazy. Yeah. Why can't you imagine cake fart? Because truly horrendous and people will Google it and then go, what is wrong with those disturbed guns? Yeah, but I wasn't. And do you sit on the cake? No. Let's go. Okay. Try to distance us from. Thanks. I appreciate it. I have no one else. Right. So to look forward to the games to come up then, we've got our home tie on Thursday in the overlay against Zion, and then we're away in Goodison on Sunday, lunch time against everything. So, I suppose we should look at the two teams that are lining up to play us. We know a little bit about Everton's form. They're even poorer than us. I think nine points there at the moment. Two points behind us, Eddie. Yeah. Well, it's still going to be two points behind us tonight with the results straightaway. It is two ones. Two ones. Two ones to west, right? Okay. If it's possible, then we'll come across a team who's even more informed than us. That's something. What do we think about the two games coming up? Do we know anything about Zion first? Absolutely not. Thanks. They're from Switzerland, aren't they? Yes. We played them before. We played them before. Brilliant. I think I might have went. Listen. Truthfully, right? I did, actually. You can. We could all pretend we know loads about Zion because we could have read up today and said, "Oh, yeah, they're actually currently fourth in their league with their goal difference of whatever." But truthfully, nobody knows fuck all about Zion. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, the Zion fans, too. The Zion fans know a fair bit. And they're opposition fans. So maybe we should have got maybe another Swiss league on, you know, you know, Red Bull Strasburg or someone like that. Is that not the actual league, though? What? It's actually Salzberg as well. Yeah. Strasburg is in a different country. So Red Bull, Salzberg are decent sort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But is it also fairly indicative of, like, is this just a given, like, what people are expecting at home when-- Well, we absolutely are right to be expecting at home, right? Yeah. These should be the whipping boy of the group. Yeah. But how will they be? Real concerningly? Yeah. But, like, that doesn't matter. It's a real concern with the whipping boy of the group. We're probably the whipping boy. Is it a group? Let's be honest because he'll continue to play third-rate teams in the European League. Do you expect to see that happen again, do you expect that? No. I think, put it this way, if he was willing to go balls out against Carlisle, if he doesn't go balls out against these, it absolutely tells us that he's no interest in the European League this season ahead. Yeah. Which is worrying because it's a winnable competition. I'd expect the couple of changes, like, you know, few changes with the game. I don't mind that, Jay. Absolutely. But, you know, he should be looking-- Okay. Okay. Okay. I read you might come in instead of storage. You know what I mean? You might look to give storage a break. I'd have to give storage a break. You'd have to, you know, he probably, because he hasn't played a lot of games, he'd probably stay in the team. Yeah. Gold medal probably comes back in. Yeah. Yeah. But, that's the whole point of having a squad is. Lelana comes in. That's not a drop in a sense, right? We may not want them starting in our best 11, but that's the whole point that shouldn't be against soil. Well, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, the fifth in the league at the moment. Okay. Thanks. That wasn't the bad guess at four. Okay. So, yeah. And the recent form was last, last winnable, last four games. Let's see. But, more or less like ourselves, they've scored 14, conceded 14, so they can't stop goals either. Okay. And their win draw last ratio is a bit of a formation, it's far too far. So... It's got to be trials, what you're saying? It could well be. Yeah. It could well be. Like, you know, you'd fancy them to score a couple of goals against us, and then can we score a couple of goals against them. And look, at the end of the day, once we win, would you play down your storage? Would I play storage? No, I am there. Because we'll talk about it in a bit more detail. No, not a hope I play storage against... Not a hope I play storage. So, yeah. Danny Ings can't start. He played the full length of the match, the other night, and then... I think he can. Well, he probably... Ings, Ings starts for me. Really? I'd start... I'd start Ings and a Regio front. I'd more or less replicate, try to replicate the forward settle. So as if you're playing the lana, you play the lana in the role, like a cathedral player. Yeah. Ings and a Regio front. He was looking at a Regio being a younger version of storage, that's it. Yeah. And try to get a couple of goals for him going there. And then you can put Gomez in as... Look at you as soon as tactical coherence, as if it's a thing that happened. No, but I think... Hang on. You're making a mistake here and trying to make some sense of something. But surely we will adopt the Scattergun approach and whoever grabs whatever jersey that's the position to play. Joe Adam plays. Yeah, I'd probably play roster as well, but I'd leave Skirtlyn a bit and start Joe Gomez in either a tree at the back. I'm minding Gomez even in the two. Colos. I'll probably play Colo Gomez. So Skirtle starts with Gomez and Colo either side? No, I wouldn't have Skirt. I wouldn't have Skirt. I'm not saying what you have. I'm saying likelihood. Skirtle still starts. Yeah. What's Skirtle's got? What's Skirtle's got? What's Skirtle's got to start? The maybe sacrum. Milner of Skirt. Colo and Gomez either sort of Skirtlyn. Then the fullbacks. That's the moment. Look, if you're going to play Gomez as one of the centrebacks, then you're more or less stuck that we've only got two. When is Anderson back? Is there any word on that yet? She broke his foot. Oh, yeah. He's eight weeks. Oh, yeah. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. So I wouldn't like to change the shape around too much. I'd have a roster mate. I wouldn't have an issue of starting roster in Allen in the centre midfield. At least just loads of mobility. They should still be better than what I ever saw on having them at the former stick shows. You know, that's not how it works, but we should be out and it's still a fairly strong team. That's going out there. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, so much for that then. Let's talk about. Let's talk about the Derby. That's the one that we're really focused on. If you accept it, it's going to be a stronger site than fill in the Derby. That changes that discussion slightly. What is it? What's a stronger site in the Derby? What do we think it is or what's it going to be? What's it going to be? It's going to be the same as what we played last week. Do you reckon the same as the last league side? Yeah. It's going to be similar again, the sentiment midfield, and it'll be a much bigger challenge than what they got out of us. Yeah. Because the one that Martinez will want to win the Derby. He's going to put Berkeley onto Lucas, isn't he? Absolutely. Absolutely. Why would you? You know what I mean? And at Lukaku, Lukaku, what he wants to be is 10 times the forward like his stead is. Yeah. He scored again there. Like you've seen, remember the head is he scored against us in other dairies? I've been nervous about what Lukaku could potentially do to us. Okay. I'm getting there actually is. But I've watched them a couple of times this season. I saw a couple of the matches in full and I've actually liked what I've seen. You know. They look good against Chelsea for sure. But against the Spurs. The Spurs were awful. But against the Spurs, they looked good as well. Yeah. And what was the other match? I saw the Chelsea game, I saw the Spurs game. I'm trying to think what the other match was now off top of my head, I can't, but they looked decent because as I've said many times, a couple of my good mates are Everton fans and they were absolutely slaughtered Martinez at the beginning of the season. You know, actually, it's funny. A lot of Everton fans have the same disdain for Martinez for nearly the identical reasons that a lot of Liverpool fans have towards Rogers. You know, he talks too much. He's overly positive all the time that he's coming out with constantly. The Southampton trade, that's the other game, you saw where they were very impressive. That was an early Saturday kickoff, wasn't it? Yeah. That is the other game. Certainly. Their best performances have been better. Our best performances have been better. Yeah. Like my point is, we still stand over the fact that apart from maybe 10 minutes of decent football on Saturday, 15 minutes of, so that's 60 minutes of good football this season. They've had, let's say, 270 minutes of decent. You know what I mean by that? I know it seems like a stupid way of putting it together, but what I'm saying is they've gone out and put good 90 minute performances together where they got a result at the end of it. And we've yet to do that this season. Do you think we have gold for Sandy, whether it's traditionally, it's always not traditionally, but in the more recent times, Martinez is a bit windy in this derby. Yeah, yeah, he is. I was just going to say, he hasn't used the derby to get the fans on the stage yet. He hasn't said the milk, like animals, like some of the previous after managers, like so things weren't going well. The boys were excellent at that. They were hovering around bottom half of the league and Liverpool were doing a smile better. And the managers are up the game and he's had the milk, the crazy cons, and we've dropped points. But at the moment, you just wouldn't know, we're very bad and they're, they can be going about on a day. Like as we've seen, they've beaten Chelsea in that and they did beat Chelsea, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, I mean, when the last in recent games, recent games since Martinez being charged and all they haven't. He probably won't use it as as a game to get the fans in soil, but still on the day, just for a game of football, like I've heard him before that game of football. I spoke to Phil a few minutes ago and you start about like, okay, we expect the team would be the team that they went out the last day. What tweaks would you like to see personally to ensure that we have a better chance again that result? Well, I was just saying earlier, I would stick with that trade. The trade, yeah. Because I think it gives the best chance of not leaking goals because we don't seem to be able to play back far. That's, that's 20. So, you stick with the trade? Stick with the trade. And all you're hoping is that when we present them with the chances, they miss. Because that's, that's, that's, that's how we write our, you know, that's how we don't concede goals. We can't play games where we don't give the, with the opposition easy chances. You just hope that they're wasteful at our chances and we have a day where storage turns up again and the ease goes a couple of dollars. Well, the head of them is really, is there any change you make to the low-up? Um, now I'm looking at the bench there last week. Just hit the snow now that gets in. So you'd have, you'd have the two in front of the tree with the two, why did that, you would? Oh, yeah. I mean, like, why? You basically you'd leave the fallbacks in situ. Yeah. Okay. You'd leave Lucas and Miller. Yeah. You would, okay. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't really know why change is bright at this moment in time with the injuries there. We could, we could. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying man for man, we're actually better than each of them, you know what I mean by that? So you're looking at, or at least, I don't think Barry's any better than Lucas. I don't think, I don't think Barry's going to be any better at containing what Coutinho can do than Lucas will be with Ross Barkley. Yeah. You know, it might come down to just some individual, brilliant play on the day, but, but nine times out of 10, you'd back Lucas do a better job in Barkley than, but then. But are you just saying that? Cause you feel like Andy, that we're very curtailed to what we have. No, no, no. I think that's what's going to set up. I think it's going to be Milner, Lucas, Coutinho. I think that's going to be your three there with, with Ings and storage upfront. Is it what you want? Yeah. Probably at this moment in time, like the only option is to maybe play Joe Allen in there who I don't really rate you highly and he, as we've all agreed, he, I'm just talking about options. What if, what if, what if the kid comes in and does a great job? Ross recommends and does a great job against Ryan. Listen, one thing about, well, see, this is when Rogers used to have a set of balls. Yeah, this is the worry. This is the worry. You know, before he might have put, you know, as sprung a surprise on us and put Ross other into the middle of the park there and he goes and has that typical, you know, Liverpool, Derby, you know, emerges at Derby appearance for Liverpool and he puts in a real good performance. I think he's scared shitless that if he gets that wrong, two things happen, number one, yet again, he puts himself under pressure. Number two, he rooms it for the only that, you know what I mean? So I think he's looking at both of those things. So in my mind, it's Barry, Barry, fucking McCarthy and, and, and, uh, Berkeley against Lucas Milner and continue and I think our three outperforms their three. I think they will be worried about the fact that Danny Stewart has just scored two goals at the weekend. And Danny ins won't leave them alone, basically. Danny ins won't do it all day. There's a player for you, like there's a man who can make you hear himself the same way in the East mid court for them. Yeah. You know, I think like Danny ins is a Derby player and it's, we, we've kind of probably lacked that in the last few years because it's not like, it's not like it was, you know, the way, the way we beaten, well, the most impressive one, and I'm failed. The five. Yeah. I mean, was a far. It's a point. No, in my mind. Twelve. Anyway, um, the way we beat them that, that was like so on Derby, you know, like it was just, we play it beautifully and they were fairly shit, like, you know, and they didn't even kick us around. It was a total mismatch. Yeah. Yeah. You seem to be implying your words. So what would you change? Yeah. I'd, I'd still want, I still want to see us deploy the dime. I think we're better off than the dime that we are and that trade the back. And who's in that for you? I'd have a, um, continual miller and, uh, charm is the three middle players and then I'd probably bring for the same reasons, even though I'm not as big as fan, but for the same reasons that Andy's mentioned, inks, I'd bring Lelana back in at the tip and have inks and I think, I think Lelana in those type of games, probably scores goals. Okay. He tends to score goals in matches that, you know, have some type of weight to them. Um, and then at the back, I'd have, I wouldn't have scared and I'd have, I'd start going as it relates down to back and I'd stare at the two full backs and stack. I want to bet that back for him. That's who, I think that's probably our best back for that we have to see it. Just, just. Yeah. But I just think it's not all. It's not Joe's personnel. Like with the way we're saying. No, no, no. I mean, far to back, where we're exposing ourselves to the area of presence of a character. If I have, but with Chan playing where I am, playing him in the deployment, I go back to Andy. He drops in and it becomes true at the back when, when they're breaking against us. Um, and Gomez is waiting at the back and psycho becomes less. Gomez is well able to look after himself and, and you know what, we're looking at John Stones being spoken about as one of the best things you sent to half of the generation or the new John Terry or whatever people are throwing his way. That's come because Martinez has had the balls to put him in the side and trust him to stay there. Yeah. Um, and you know, everybody looked at, you know, sort of a natural center, the half partnership for, for, uh, Everton. And it wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. Stones in there. The type, the type of player Gomez is, I think he, he'd be a natural partner for psycho. They about want to go on attack boards. They, he has plenty of pace about him. You're not worried about over the top of Lukaku's plan, plenty of physicality and I think he's a better option to, than, than, I think potentially he, he, he's a much better fit in a back four. And I'd say it again, every defense that Matt and Scott plays in scores, the conceives loads of goals. So like, what I'm trying to do is remove the common denominator. And see is that see, at least see, is it that? Yeah. You know what I mean? If, if he comes out and, and if we go if ship shows up a little, if we were to trade the back and we're absolutely gash, right, and we lose, he's still in the same amount of trouble is if he goes out and plays for the back and Troy is something that may not war, but gives people a glimpse of what the future is. Okay. Flip side. I don't think, I don't think the majority of fans are calling for that exactly. I mean, I know it would show, it would show a set of bars and I mean, I'd be impressed if he, if he did something like that. Well, you, you would see, if they were beaten and they were beaten heavily, he'd be like, why has he decided to troll Gomez on variables, but he's here, I like to be a negative spin and I, I think it'd be the wrong time. No. Well, you answered the question down if it's, if it's a situation where, look, let me ask the DAF bill, hardly deliberately DAF question here, is it possible? Is there a chance of redemption here for the manager? If he does make a few tweaks along the lines of what Phil's suggesting there and it works, is there a possible way back? Yeah, there definitely is, because like, as soon as I see something that suggests or that hints that we might, he might have a torn around, yeah, they don't be, I'm back behind them. Like, I'm very defellable, right now I just don't see anything, but if all of a sudden, like in the summer I was clinging on to the hope that things will change, we've come into the season and things haven't changed, and he's still in protection mode like he was last season, he's still trying to keep his job, he's still trying to, he's still windy. So if you decide to do eight games into the season or seven games into the season, then you're going, right, fair enough, I took him seven games longer than I thought it would be, and then I'd be right in behind it, because I think if he does, if he goes back to the way he was and he sticks to this dossier that he sold so, and he totally sold so well to all the fans, then he could be a fabulous manager, you know, if he was learning and he kept a goal and he doesn't, he doesn't bother. So for you guys the way back, still for you? Yeah, no, there is, because let's ask yourself this, what is the reason in the last four weeks? Because it really is only in the last four weeks that things have turned on them properly, you know, from a small section of fans to a large collective of fans. It's the fact that fans have stopped believing he either knows what he's doing or that he has a genuine plan in place. That's why people just feel, well, if you don't have any plan and you're just pissing into the wind and hoping for the best, then let's move them on and get somebody else in who does have a plan. So the truth is, if he comes out with a, let's just talk about say Joe Gomez in a center half, if he comes out with the idea, listen, I've decided I'm going to try and play the way I want us to play regardless of results. I think a lot more fans would get behind him. It wouldn't bother me for us to be on the amount. It's not the amount of points we have that that's pissing me off. It's not a bad tally, we're three points off what we would normally classify as Champions League for. Two points per game, normally get to Champions League. We're only three points off that at the moment, albeit seven games in. It's the way we've played. It's the fact that from game to game, we're swapping formations and it doesn't look like we're being very clever. It's like, what's the next fucking thing that's going to work? So you start seeing the pattern back, you start out a little bit. You start believing in the manager again, the players start believing because surely that affects the players as well. Phil, last word, not do you see any redemption for Brendan here in this situation? No, but you're asking someone who said to you back last February and that was a number. I wanted rid of him. He's just not good enough. The blindfolds are going off most people. They've seen that it's all awards, very little actions and does not ready to back it up. We're going to guarantee we're going to be having the same discussion as this season goes on purely because nothing's going to change really until he's gone. All right, I'll do. Many goals to reckon with Scar at the weekend, Andy. Two, Max. Two. Steve. For the derby. Yeah. Three. I think we might score a few. I think if we're ings and storage up front, I'm right there. I think there'll be another three, two, like the three, two that you're willing to miss. Are we doing predictions? No, we don't do predictions anymore. Do you remember? We've got rid of predictions. We've now just how many goals we've gone scarred. No, no, no, no. This has happened. This has happened off my lunch. No predictions. No, it's just how many goals. We've taken predictions. We've never got the right though. How many different predictions last week? We didn't. You didn't. We only predicted the goals. How many predictions? No, you didn't. Listen back. We only predicted how many goals we'd score. I'm predicting three, two, Liverpool. That's my prediction. [LAUGHTER] I predicted we scarred two goals. They scar one goal. [LAUGHTER] We're just doing goals. We're not doing predictions. We're not doing predictions. We're not doing predictions. Just goals. Just goals. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the result is going to be a Parisi, but I think it's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. It's going to be a Parisi. 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Or will they score some of the three for us, which could mean that four golds will score by them and only two golds. Oh, I see what you're doing here, tweaking it around. No, I'm just asking. There is numbers of combination. Kevin Friend. There is numbers of combination. Kevin Friend. It's not always that fun. It's Marietta. It's Marietta. He's like the lancer senior league. He's just the fella that lives around the corner. So they ring. Kevin, you've got no match tomorrow and good as in good as in. Oh, let's do it. Yeah, no bother to miss it. Two two. Yeah, two two. Two red carrots and a penalty. Which? Marietta Atkinson is laughing. Oh, yeah. Yep. He loves the draw. Yep. Marietta the draw. Oh, that was great. That worked really well. Well, I was just running wheeling on it. And you're listening to Tripper Chats. Unbelievable stuff. You asked me anything about Liverpool FC. I will answer it immediately. I'm an encyclopedia. As you know, I played for Liverpool in the 1980s. What many trophies. Played with the Liza Kenny Daggle each game soon as we wanted to want a team we were. We were just unbelievable. Anyway, Tripper Chats. I'm going to actually don't think it's the worst. Uh, okay. Do you like it? No, I just, no, I mean the actual card. Fucking Christ, no, it's not. Well, we'll wrap it up and bring it home. Come on. Let's get on to the Tripper Chats. I want my lit down and I'm going to need the rest of my tea. I'm making the coffee. [LAUGHTER] Pull it in there. Pull it in there. Put it in there. Put it in there. Hey, how are you doing? I'm doing care of friends. My girls. I love them. I need them. Yeah, the minute it would kill me to look at a load of them though. I don't know why you're playing them being a fool. Probably two more. [LAUGHTER] I know I know where he's coming from. Let's be honest. It's not like I ever lost. But it does fire a little. A little. Yeah. I have a friendship tag on this week. I have a salad macarons. Frozen. Oh, yeah? 3/4, do you know if we're 12? Macarons or macarons? Oh, you can't know French macarons. Are they macarons? Well, you're probably-- Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are macarons. They're spelt macarons. They're the ones that you were asking about in Costa about two weeks before you stitched me up. Oh, I thought we were going to do it the whole way near the day. Yeah, I knew he was gone. [LAUGHTER] That was out in the ambulance as well. So we couldn't afford it. The French yolks, yeah. 3/4, do you know if we're 12? 12 and then we're in 10 hour. Yeah, yeah. [INTERPOSING VOICES] They'll have OK. And a French macarons, you can get nice ones both. Generally, they are with the air. And they have to mix there as well. They're able to mix, I think you can get 24 and mix it till 50. Well, lovely. Yeah, macarons. [INTERPOSING VOICES] 21 hour at the end. Right. The chocolate bars usually macarons. They wear macarons. That is the clever chocolate bars. I don't even know, boy. Any of them I ever hear. Any of them I can only call them macarons. Well, it was the chocolate bar. The thing about the macarons chocolate bars was the one that was like a tough one. And then there was one that was-- Oh, the time bar was the one with the clock on the front of the top of the-- Fuck me. They were a lot. They were people. But they were absolutely brilliant. Yeah, the time bar. They gave you? It was in the same wrappers, the macarons. We didn't even tell one of them, Taffy, and yet. You said both. I don't know. Thanks. Whatever you have in yourself. It was all time bar. And you opened your gums. Yeah, you pulled the two. You pulled whichever week is two days out. Yeah. When it's top or bottom. That's where they walked. It's just you. They were, yeah. They were, yeah. It was just good. That's great though. Caramel. Jesus. It was really a tough thing. Fuckin' there. But you don't wear the fact you don't wear it. Yeah, just a bally mount. Yeah, it was a bally mount. So it was like wherever you were at 12 foot while from like paradise. Yeah. I don't want to fall. Tossy roll platters being deployed. The time barred orchard. Well, at 12 foot while was a piece of piss to a fuckin' 10 year old green hilly and leek and all. You really got to open them to get away from the tribes. Piece of piss especially. Even if there was glass at the top. It didn't matter. Springboard. Alright, ours are used to port on top. They got a tarry paint stuff here. The anti-tina paint. Broken bottles as well. Yeah, glass here. It didn't matter. We didn't hold on to the wall until you wouldn't get your fingers. Only if you slipped. The glass was blown from being open that often. Troned shit. Troned shit at the top of it. Yeah, sand it down. Yeah, watch your rope there. It wasn't. You went to work on it. And then it cost you no part of the wall. Yeah, the wall would be marked as the way to get up and over. It's fuckin' amazing the amount of effort that used to go into something like that. Oh, little bastards. Anyway, let's go on to... Trippers chat today. They don't share as big words. I know, 'cause you're back, so we don't need to miss the ill big words. They're a great guy. They'll just be waiting for that. They're actually, they're actually to be fair. There was Karl and Kevin Allen and Gav and Callum and Shane and Krishna. I know all had questions in around me. They have to be fair now. I'm not that much. A fucking eager test. I'm going to be... Hell and promise. There is one that I'm going to ask because we can open it up to everybody else. Which is what Bach said that Trev enjoyed most when he was dead. That was Alan asked that. And actually it would be suits for me. Yeah. I'll just discover that. It's magic. It's true. It's true. That's the first time I've heard anyone actually think the program's good. The program's brilliant. I look like I watched it but it's very repetitive. Like I loved it for different reasons. You watched it for a little bit. I don't like it. No! Serious casting in. I don't like Rachel actually. She's really annoying after the first... No, she's not. She's erected it. Okay. You're like looking at her. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about it as a character. She becomes really annoying after the first series. Yeah, I got that. Oh, she's out. She's annoying. She hooks up at Mike. That's the end of her as a character. Just say goodnight. She's just a bit power player then. And she's nothing good to her. She's a tonder and see you end to healing. You know what I mean? The way she goes. Yeah. Yeah. She's... So... You can put up with that for her. Me? Well... But that doesn't matter. You don't have to put up with it. You also don't have to put up with it. I need to just watch it today. Yeah. No, I only got the season three, so I still have a bit left. What about anyone else on here? I'm not a real owner. I'm watching the corona stuff at the moment. Well, go on. I watched all the ballers, all the narcos. Holy shit. Okay, narcos got a shit later on from... Hang on. James, where are you going? James. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I watched that. I watched the movie with Benetio del Toro playing Escobar as well. I preferred narcos. I think if you remove yourself, if you work on the basis that it's a program based on Escobar rather than trying to hit every factual point of what happened to him. It's actually a well put together program. It's ten episodes. Really enjoyed ballers. The rock is in ballers. And I thought it was going to be absolutely a shot. But you know, it's brain candy. It's kind of just on the throw on and spin through a few. What else? I'm all the way through Piggy blinders. That's tremendous. Piggy blinders is brilliant. Okay, that's true. And the other one with Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton. And Eva Green. Oh, the supernatural thing. Yeah, that's actually quite good. I watch a lot of boxes, but I don't have... I don't have... Like, I don't watch normal TV. I just watch boxatter movies. Ali, can you add to that? I think you've watched recently. No, I don't. I'm not a big TV watcher. But I don't like... Start watching air-coss already, poor. I haven't there. I got into it. I'm recently, you know. Don't forget that. Don't forget that. Because you had the whole abuse you took the last week about your comedy choices. No, I've just finished with air-cossed myself because I was enthralled and sloughed to be putter. So... Oh, Jesus, what? Oh, fucking no. That shit. Really? Yeah. It was awful. Well, I was all over the shop. I enjoy it. That's all I'm going to have, right? My wife is watching all that. Now, when she was watching the rear big brother, we got into it. I thought it was enjoyable. Back in the day, look. No, no. The rear was there recently. When you're mad, Mark, he was acting into it. I was about to get into it. Some sort of credit, but no. Did you watch more crazy one? I will not watch any of it. Seriously. Okay. Then he can't comment because Mark was an absolute cracking wind-up merchant. And it was a fucking get-up that he was kicked out that week. It's just... He went on for that. He sure was coming. He started watching it. Listen. It was just funny. It was just funny. He was able to sit down. He didn't have to think about stuff. Going back to your point, and it was just like people fighting. And made a change that wasn't me. I enjoyed it. But it was really... Fair enough. Fair enough. Philip Murray wants an auntie. If you ever, when you were younger, practice kissing. And... Every bloke at songs that every person has probably practiced kissing at some stage. Or ten. Where? Back in a hand. Back in a hand. Back in a hand. I don't think I did because from a very early age I was in a band. And I was in a relationship. No, no, no, in a band. But you don't get a chance to really practice. Because it's going on from an early age. Like, will you meet her? Or will you do this? Will you do that? It's 80 kids, blokes and girls stuck together. You know what I mean? It just happens. You're practicing. Yeah, you're practicing. But you're practicing with some other 11-year-olds who's equally as shit as you are at it. You know what I mean? You don't remember ever. I genuinely don't. I don't remember. I don't remember practicing with some other conversations with your 10-year-olds. Do you practice? How do you practice it when they start wearing the back of the hand? Well, how did you do a friendship and start sticking the tongue out in the hole? I mean, the whole Kingston thing back then was, like, there was high criticism out there. There was one of you known as the bloke of Kisses. Like, oh, I shouldn't be here. Especially when I was in a game of, like, Kisses and whatever. So, if you wear a physically practicing, I wouldn't say a physically practicing. But I probably practiced in my head, like, probably in my head. I don't do that with the washing machine. I'll be a little bit every day. I can't be sloppy at all. Maybe I'll practice. I remember being quite young and being asked to meet this young one up at the back of Casa Villerts, up off the Cronan Road, and so we all went up to play snook or a play pool. And obviously then it was sort of orchestrated that I could wear. Just nip out here. You know, this whole fucking scenario. And I remember, remember Kisses starting to kiss her. And as soon as they started kissing her, she started homing. Right? So, you know, the whole head tilt goes, because remember when you used to kiss people, you're headed to the same way for the team. Hey, we're doing our job. You know, so anyway, I fucking gave the old clothes in the eyes, tilt the head, going for the kill. And as we started the case, she started. So, for a minute, I'm going, I'm going, I'll just go with it for a second. See what happens here, right? So, she's homing. Right? Well, she's kissing me. So, I'm like, no, fuck this. This is too straight. So, I stopped. Yeah, right? Yeah, again, I'm cramping. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we go again. Tilt of the head by getting, again. Trio. Trio, okay. Trio, okay. Trio, okay. And she started homing while we were kissing. All right. I just went, listen, I'm going to head back into the eyes. Just fucking bale. That was only about 12. You know what I mean? I still did this day. It sticks with me. It's been, you know, fucking probably the weirdest kissing experience. You know, you know, like, crashy teeth. Just gnawing at you. It's like, if they really go in, like, everyone's different to suppose, but we're in the car. And then they bash teeth and it's like, they're going. Oh, geez. Mind the death love. Yeah. It's like, not put me tongue in there. It's smashing around. I'm not going to the ball, I as well. Like, after being fucking dead. One of the discos, what was there? How close? No, no, no. This is young. This is young. Fuck, sorry. All right. Cheers. Cheers to have one as well. Cheers. And, like, myself and you mate, we're with these young ones. And then we met up with the ball. I went around the back of the ball. And just about two minutes there. Like, you just hear your one and you mate, like, and you have my own girls. You dirty, buzzing. Fuck off. Fuck off. And a real and everything. I don't want half of all this, mate. But what half of all this. Yeah. Cheers on here, radio. Moscow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Put it down. Get your hand down. And he went down. Eight hours. All right. Cheers. She just wanted an elbow jumper. He thought that was an invitation. Oh, geez, she's forward. I've been there. One time we're tripped down here. Thanks for the cue. Thanks to Astro Park here in Tala for being our junior house. You log on to Astro Park. You'll get all your info about the types of football you can play here. That occurs to me that day trippers are not sponsored by MailChimp or Squarespace. And really we should fix that. So you guys are listening out there. We're interested. Competition winner for the five times show on Dublin. David Whelan. Thank you. And your day trippers tonight were sashing the crannies. Stephen Demi and the young Phil Casey and my undead self, Trivedani. James Connor is wondering what's your guilty pleasure? Something that you enjoy that you don't really like to talk about. And then I want you to admit a nephew on the podcast. I'm definitely not sure that's going to help you come up the home. Shit, keep that one to yourself. Don't tell anyone that's the real ones in, okay? I definitely edit that one out. I just flag it there. The Goodison Derby on Sunday lunchtime. So what's going on here, you fuckers? What happened there? He just went and cracked one out there. He literally leaned off the door. It was a cake fight. Do you have a cake fight actually? 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