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It's DT hosting the DTs and we've all got the DTs as we await the return of TD. So on tonight's show we look ahead to the first game of the season and we tried to figure out where the heads are at heading to the Britannia stadium this Sunday. We frame it with reference to the final two pre-season games and we talk starting lineups. Joining me tonight is Andy Young, Steve Daly and the ever-present omnipotent Bill Casey. Right, so let's go. Let's do it. All right lads, let's start with some football chat. So the season's about to start. Where are we with our excitement levels, you know, on a scale of 1 to 10. How do you feel, Andy? I'm a scale of 1 to Dave Thomas. I'm a scale of 1 to Dave Thomas, how are you feeling? How do you cover this? Well, Dave, here you're on the 3rd. We'll be about 6. Right. With that advert, you're looking at an 8.5. I'm not getting at an 8.5. I wouldn't want to look at you at 10 minutes. I've got a bit of a second. It's a 2.4 of increase that ad. Yeah. It's probably the best guy I had since the older, live and kicking. Remember, live and kicking used to be the music for the season start and then it became the music for guys for football. Well, yeah, Elton Jones won as good as well. Fuck us. Are you really? No, it wasn't that it was never. Hey, you never fuck come on, but I think that's already sung out as a 12 minute. All right, Andy's an 8.5 because of the teary on re-advert, Steve will worry. Yeah, listen, I can't wait for the start. It's why we fucking do this pixie podcast. Let's be honest. No, you know what I mean. I can't wait for the season start. It's a new season, new chance to blindly hope we can achieve something which we're not going to. And yeah, let's premise your football back. I hate all the wanky, friendly and international show. Yeah. Okay. I'd say a good, a good solid eight. Let's all pause. We'll have a wait for Phil. Phil, how are you feeling sitting at a solid tree? That would be high, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not looking for us in this season. I'm just not looking for a main footballer just falling out of love over the summer. It's just a miserable time. No, I can't. I just can't. And this is the worst I've ever been heading to the season. But since Hodgson, this is the worst, I just I'm just not pointing into what I'm hoping. Yeah, we finally bought a player from Jeremy. We bought one last season. No, we finally bought a huge performer in Jeremy. And what'd you just ask me here? We bought the player that you came to have wanted for like main years. I can't believe I'm just I'm just R.C. is I haven't got over the end of last season. So I'm hoping that the performances lift me over. What's it takes to get you over? If we can win our four street games under spin or I'd be fucking I'll be back up again. What's that? We're still born with Arsenal, isn't it? Yeah, right. Arsenal weighs a big Arsenal. I'm gonna fail with seven points taking a point at Arsenal. It depends again how the results fail. You know the way, why are we even asking him? What's the best we're going to get filled to five? If we go out and put in a really good form, you want to see the system being right? You want to see the choice of players? I want to see something that says to me that we learned all the lessons that we didn't learn last season. And that's my fear is that we haven't learned that was less and so that's what I just can't get aboard the fucking happy train. Can I just say something? I think this is Raj's last chance. It can't be anything other than his last chance. He can't have a shit season like that again. No, he can't. So last season I failed, he completely bottled, he got the team into the Champions League, had a couple of injuries then Suarez leaving as well and he films that position where he ended up gone against everything he promised and believed in himself because he didn't have the balls to just go with the players he had, he changed everything. So this season, I think he has such, if he's gone, he's going to go out swinging and go back to his own ways. So I fully believe that he'll go back to trying to play attacking four balls similar to the part in the middle of the last season. I don't think we're a million miles away in terms of I will be there if I see that from the off. But now we have the personnel to do. Yeah, but at the moment, I'm from what a Sartreu pre-season. I hate putting too much emphasis on what a Sartreu pre-season, but I didn't see it. I think people who put too much emphasis on pre-season are idiots, if that's really cool. We've told them that at some point, right? I know what you're saying though, there wasn't a high tempo element to the game and it's hard to see how they just switch that on on Sunday at lunch. Now, if it takes 60 minutes or so, we win the game. You can see a change in the last 30 minutes in terms of how we play. As the players start to feel more involved in the season, you understand what's going on grand. But we're going to talk about it. Just how the general feeling is at the moment. That's where I am. It's not that I think it's a fucking doom and gloom and this is not going to happen a whole lot. At this moment, I can't see the pointers that gets me really excited about what's going to happen. Well, before we get on to things that might make us less excited, let's talk about something that people were excited about, which is Christian Bintech is goal over the weekend. I know you were more optimistic about the signing than a lot of people. What did you make of his performance? What did you think of the goal? Has he nailed on start a few against stock? Of course he is. He's started every single game as long as he's fit. Even that's even when storage comes back, he's not going to be a 32.5 million preserve. I'm excited about him more than I am. I think the negativity towards him makes you want to do me even better. I actually think it's fucking exciting to see a player that can pull that out of the bag. You know what I mean? That's fucking such a super goal. And he scars that against anyone. Well, as one of the people who was unsure about him and still is, the one thing I saw in that swinging game that I was happy with was the chance he missed in the fourth half, he was attacking the near post. But I said it last week, my worry was that he was going to be too Andy Carroll. I just wanted to go to the back post and hang it up all the time and look for headers. But I saw a lot on, I don't know, it's wind or whatever, but he was attacking that from post. And the chance that Firmino creates from the one that the Vigoro saved, I was saying, well, that's exactly where you wanted to be because he started to start middle of the goal. If that was Carroll, Carroll would have stayed on the edge of the 18-air box. I'd just lifted and looked for the cross. But instead, he starts attacking the front post, Firmino just pulls the ball back. And on a different day, he probably would have scored a goal. Well, I think if he's three games in, he scores a hat, right? Steve O, it is pre-season, I suppose we've got to remember that this time last year, day on level and looked back and back against all right. But what was, please or I thought, was that it was something I didn't really know he had in his locker. Yeah, absolutely. I suppose as Phil touched on there, it doesn't matter what team you're up against there, whether it's an international club competition or Swindon. He's made the movement that he's had during that game, the runs that he's made, he's going to make them, whether he's up against a top-class center half or a division two center half. It doesn't matter. That's how he's thinking about approaching the game, which was nice to see because he was similar to Phil in the fear that he was going to be Andy Carroll and Mark II in his approach, in his want, in the back post all time. Similarly, the strike, an absolute cracker. It doesn't matter, yet again, if that's against Stoke, you know, the fight that is against Swindon doesn't make it easier, right? No, it's not like you score it easier. It's the technique and it's the strike and Andy Keeper is going to struggle to get over to that. Yeah, so I have to say, you know, it's only a pre-season friendly. It's always great to see, first of all, a player is going on the debut just to give him the confidence to go into next week. And yeah, I liked what I saw. I wasn't for him signing, but now that he's here, I'll support him all the way. Andy, the other thing that I think people talked about was that we would have to change our style to fit Pentec A and you know, watching the game on Sunday, did you get the impression that we had to fundamentally change the way that we played? Thanks, question. Well, let me answer for you. No, we didn't. We didn't change that. We didn't change the style. And that's great to see because if Roger is going to work with him, what we said was, if there was a manager that could probably help a striker of his style, change to being a more adaptive forward, it's probably Roger's. It's one of the strong points, even though some people don't think he has many. So, you know, it's good to see. That's fair, right? We weren't throwing him crosses from deep to the back post trial or, you know, trying to take it long to him all the time. I think he'd become more aware of the crosses purely because of that exact thing. So yeah, look, when you look at the game, I didn't even notice any deep crosses, really. No, but I know this crosses, but then as I said, I think you're more aware of the crosses in game purely because he's there, right? And one of the narratives that's been going on is that he scores most of the gold off crosses. So you're paying more attention. If you're paying more attention to a specific thing that's happened on the pitch, you're going to see more. It's like if you have a car in your head, you always see loads of cars, loads of those cars. And then if you think of a different car, you see loads of those cars and you're down. Is it just me? Or is it not? It's because you're paying more attention to what you're looking at. So I didn't, look, again, as I said, the one thing that I thought was a decent enough was that he does give us an elbow. Yeah. Like when Bogdan, who's in goal, needed to kick the ball, he was able to kick. You've been saying to go there for seven minutes. If you're doing a major Bogdan before, the whole time the ball's been going. All I know is that the goal that we conceded, it somehow went through his hand. When he showed the show from beyond the goal, he's doing it, it was hands in the way to go. Next minute, the ball has gone through his hand and in the net. I was like, "What?" Like, it was very bloody. If you agree, before, and it was a Brad Jones, he's a hologram. Very much a holographic hander, but it didn't start the ball. Now, it does give them at least, if you're under the cash, and we weren't under the cash against win, but if they needed to play a ball, if they needed to play a ball, whatever, he is an option. He's a realistic option to play an opponent. But don't forget, like, you remember, like, on our effort, we had a rain and goal on Taurus. And Taurus, the rain he used to fucking for the ball, he would throw it to the halfway line. And Taurus, Ben Teke would have no problem. I know he's not that prolific toilet player that Taurus was at the time, but Ben Teke can get on the ball and keep, and if so many good attack players to get. The only problem is he have no chance of that elbow from being delayed. The odd one might accidentally hit Ben Teke. He's too big to happen. He really craps a lot, but the point is, we are a counter attack in team where we are at our best. We don't counter attack ugly, we counter like, we hopefully have to talk at times. So when a team is smashing long ball from Loveran, you know, whoever, you know, the Henderson's got a pass and then that's got a pass. So the ball gets released early from the goalkeeper along the ground and get Ben Teke away. If you think of the tactic, you know, it employed last year where they just profile a diagonal crossfield ball to his chest, not to his head. So you weren't hanging it up where it was a 50-50 effective. It was just to play the, like, Ben Teke is the idea for me on that. Like, do you know what I mean? I don't mean, I'm not talking about smashing long balls. You can take a ball just inside their half, play a diagonal cross to his chest, and you've got the likes of Catania running off him for me and I running off him, even without his own gold threat. It gives us another option. It allows us to switch play a lot quicker. I don't feel that. His technique is fantastic as well. I mean, that's the other thing that really surprised me was even with his goal and a couple of other balls that came into him. His first touch was excellent, you know. He's a great touch for a big lad. A great touch for a big lad. But he's actually just got a great touch. Do you know what I mean? Like when it comes, you'd fire it at him, but it could go anywhere. Yeah, there's more peace going on. He's got loads of confidence in his own ability with his feet because he does hang on to the ball. Like, if they're the fans have any complaints, it was the fact that he held on for a bit too long. Yeah, so. And that's probably what your best player or one of your best players gets away with, whereas at Liverpool, he'll have the catenios and whoever has demanding it off him that little bit quicker. So that'll probably improve. And it's not only a small thing, but his celebration after the goal was pretty understated. If anyone else goes that goal, you go fucking mad. He's a debut for Liverpool, right? You've just scored this goal. And he kind of celebrated, say, I don't have any time. Yeah, I think he's not given it that I played for Liverpool. I'm fucking the PlayStation, or I have a tattoo on my arse or whatever else. You know what I mean? I signed because I'm getting a shitload of money and they're a better club than I played for. And I'm going to score some fucking goals. And so we're all aligned up and take a start. And there are a couple of other selection dilemmas, should we say, we were talking about it before the podium. There's rumors who's going to start. So one of the rumors, Andy, is the Joe Gomez starts ahead of Moreno. So talk to me about your thoughts about that. But I think this is a fellow who's gone from last this time last year, he was in the Charlton kind of deal settle, you know, and he broke into the child team, played with 20 games or something like that. And now he's going to be starting in the primary league for Liverpool. Like, it doesn't really add up. Like, I mean, I know it can happen. But for me, I should, I would be going back to him right now. He has more experience. Joe Gomez could still play a huge part in this season. He's got, he looks like a lovely player. But to be getting carried away based on playing a lot of shit teams and all his performances of being good, I've seen some of them. But it doesn't matter. I don't care. Like, Joe Gomez should be on the bench. Moreno in the team. Steve O Rogers rewarding a player to stand well in preseason or getting a little bit carried away over a young promising player. No, listen, I haven't seen anything from, from Gomez so far that I'd be worried about him playing against Stoke. And you look at another young English defender in John Stones who 18 months ago was playing for Barnsley. You know what I mean? And he signs for 3 million quid and even everything fans were going, what a fucking waste of money. We're not buying fucking any players and we buy this ship bag for for 3 million quid. And you know, I mean, 18 months later, there's talk of a 30 million quid. Now, I'm not saying that's the natural progression for Gomez, obviously. But I'm saying is sometimes you have to trust that what you see in front of you is what you're getting. And if he's performed better than Moreno, and he's probably played more than Moreno over preseason, why not bang him in? Give the ladder chance. If he fucks up fair enough, take him out. If I give him the fella chance, if he came, if Moreno was having a few stinkers and he came and he was injured, and he started to prove himself in the league, primarily games, you know, then you can say that's got credibility. But there's no credibility for playing well against shit. And listen, he played against the Toy All-Stars. Now, Phil, Rodgers loves a romantic narrative. You know, he loves the story, maybe of this young kid coming in and just pooping everyone wrong. What do you think? Do you think this is, if he starts, I don't know, we don't know whether you're going to start. Is this, he's fit to the Moreno right now? Maybe Moreno isn't quite ready. Is it a tactical thing? Does he want to go to a more defensive flap back for as we, you know, we've talked about, or is it, or I think it's the manager seeing something in the way not here? I think he's probably not a study hasn't been picked on in the Uber bar yet. He's probably said fuck that. He's guaranteed to give me some fucking points. If Coutinho wasn't so good and had a personalized one, he'd definitely be training the fucking reject team. Coutinho goes around one of them all. I think the Gomez thing is interesting. I think there's a lot of potential reasons why he may favor Gomez over Moreno for this particular match. If you're starting over and let's say, right, I think Gomez is a stronger defense of full back than Moreno is. I think he's better positioned than Moreno is. So you only have to deal with two lads in the center who don't know where to be one time. Well, Moreno is suspect for the goal now. Yeah. To be fair to say that. It is. But like what I'm saying is, I think there could be a line attached that says this fellas don't very well for some preseason. We weren't expecting to tackle it. And he seems to be so composed and so positionally aware and strong in terms of what he's doing. That at the moment, we still feel that Moreno gives us a better attacking option. But we're going to pretend that going to Stoke on the fourth end of season, we last here 6-1. I want at least one sort of more defensive style full back because we're going to play clown on the other side. He's going to want to bump forward and be part of the attacks because it's in his makeup. And I don't have an issue with it. And I think if we come up to talk about the midfield now, and that might explain, that's why we're being a little bit more defensive. But again, Andy, against Helsinki, he played a midfield three of Milner, Henderson, and Coutinho, right? So no Allen, no Lucas, no Emerson, no traditional kind of holding player in there, which I thought was a very attacking move. It reminds me of when we played the Diamond and suddenly playing Coutinho in one of those midfield roles. How will you read in that? Could that maybe suggest that he needs his defence to be more defensive because he's going to have such an attacking midfield? Yeah, well, it could be just the fact that the squad was going to split up 50/50, so it could be a bit of the certain players he wants to play and he's adapted the shape. But no, I mean, Coutinho. Do you think Lucas starts against Stoke? No, I don't think so. Do you think that midfield starts? I think Henderson and Milner start, and ahead of them, then you've got a selection of three of far-forward players. Yeah, so there's no hold down against Stoke? No, I think Henderson and Milner look like they can complement each other quite well. They're both on a jack of all trades, really, and I don't think you need a defensive midfield, or just defence for a whole midfield. And Steve will play in Henderson and Milner. I mean, it was interesting watching Milner, he was in the box more than La-Lana. He has been, yeah. I've loved that most about him, and I was talking to Damo about it as well, and saying it's because, yeah, again, probably someone that we were, myself and him, were skeptical about signing beforehand. Yeah. And I've loved the fact that he wants to get on the end of things, and it's something that we didn't have from midfield last season. When I say midfield, I mean, our central midfielders, you look at the attacking threat that Milner has been in pre-season compared to Allen since he joined the club. Yeah. The only time I can remember Allen off the top of my head ever, being closest to scoring a goal, was in the derby. You know, when the country was going to win. Yeah, but what I mean is in terms of being an attacking threat, but getting on the end of something. That's sort of a rise in player, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not because Milner will offer a, well, say, a lot higher date for so a lot for Chelsea. Yeah, probably not. That was cool, not a lot. Not because he gives you more in the middle of the park, but what I'm saying is, you could be looking at eight, nine goals a season off, Milner, from coming in like that. But that's a massive contribution from replacing Lucas or Allen, who are going to give you zero goals a season. Just on that point, I'm sorry. But just on the middle of the thing, isn't it very much that he's like a 75% Steven Gerard at 28, whereas Gerard, when he was playing for us, it was only a 50% Steven Gerard, when he was 28 for last. I know what he's saying about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what Milner's being doing is a form of what Gerard had done for many years for us arriving into the box and scoring goals. He's not at the same level as Gerard was when he was at his best. But what he's given us again is a real sort of engine in midfield. No, so many lift on what we've done. Yeah, I mean, I think he's different to Gerard. I got to be honest, I think every preseason game I've watched, I've said it on Twitter, I thought Milner was the best player in the park. He's the smartest player in the park. He never loses the ball. He's passing his great position. He's great. He's an attacking threat. But I just want to bring it back to what you were saying about getting nine goals out of Milner, because we'd probably expect something around Henderson, right? So, but it does prompt if I was being pessimistic, I would say, well, you're playing two guys as your defensive shield, right? Who want to score 20 goals between them? Yeah. Is that a risk against teams? Yeah, I think it is. And obviously for me, I would prefer to see Chan, Milner, and Henderson. I've no idea how it would work, but I would love to see it. I would love to see it and just be proved right or wrong as to that being the best three in there. But I think what we'll probably find is that they have to work between them. The old sort of one stays, one goes. Yeah. You know, they have to operate that way, especially if Catino is going to be the third man in there. But you're not advocating Lucas. No, say Chan is a fit. I don't think he's a hundred percent fit image. I'm not getting funny. You know, the only way he's going to get that game time is to go in there. So I'd rather see him get 70 minutes against Stoke and us hopefully have a good part of the game wrapped up. Yeah. I'm not saying Stoke are going to be by any means of pushover, but I prefer to see him get 70 minutes and then either play with the two lads dropping in and somebody else coming on from, or even Lucas coming in. Well, I suggest pushing continue forward. So let me come back. We're going to talk about the forward line. So Phil, just to finish up with you on the midfield then, I'm going to go out in a limb here and say that you're not advocating Lucas should start, right? Against Stoke. Now thinking what they did to us last season, thinking about, you know, the fact that that midfield does want to push forward, does want to score goals. Sorry if I don't need to call across you, but I think what Stoke did to us last season was more to do with us than it was to them. That's the, you know what I mean? So, so I don't see that happening. We play them another 50 times. That result doesn't represent itself. No, but they are, I mean, to be fair, under Puritan Hughes, they have a tremendous home record, right? They're a very difficult side to beat the way to beat that the Britannia, right? So first game of the season, anything can happen. I know I'm just wondering to bring it back to film whether, you know, you'd go a bit more cautious in terms of the midfield selection. No, I would, Steve, if I was bringing one player in a B-chan into that midfield, because I think it removes the need for having to have a screen or a DM, I think, with the three of them, ideally, you'd like to see them all in a midfield where they all cover each other. So if, say, Chan goes on a morale up the pitch and Millner's going with him, then Henderson stays at home, or if Henderson and Millner have gone, Chan is staying there to cover the defence. I think there's very much, in terms of the capabilities and the style of the players, they're all complementary, and would work perfectly in front of that. You'd normally maybe say to Chan, listen, you hang back a bit more, but we want you to go on those Boston runs throughout the game as well, because that will open teams. All teams will not be expecting him to, well, and they won't be able to, like, what are you going to do? Put a man marker on the defence midfield. If you do, then you're freeing up space for Henderson and Millner to operate in. So, like, you know, it's just, it's the power as well. The one thing that Chan brings to that midfield is he brings incredible power. You know, he's such a physical player. He brushes players away from him. Yeah, he brushes players over it, you know what I mean? And that's the one thing that, when I'm looking at him, you've got Henderson and Millner, I'm not saying that there's drinking foil at either, right? But the one thing that Stouc is, and even when I was watching him at the weekend, they were still overly physical in that midfield. And as much as I love Coutinho, when I watch them play in the way they were set up in Helsinki, like, normally, whether Millner or Henderson was staying at home, and Coutinho was dropping back in, and they started, like, one was playing as the one behind two of them. I'm just wondering could they just get a Coutinho maybe? And Troy physically dominate here, early doors. I think the physicality argument is the only reason why I play, Janet. I wouldn't play in personally. First of all, I don't think we've seen any evidence that he can play defensive midfield player for us, right? Even when he plays, he looks to bond forward, same for Germany under 21. But I do get the physicality thing. I think there's an argument. But maybe that's an option off the bench. If we are going to squeeze, if we are getting pushed, I hope that's the change he makes, rather than bringing Luke as in. So we're going to go back a little bit now. We're going to talk about the defence again, and the Republican presidential debate is tomorrow. But if you want to get real, violent bullshit, let's talk about love run versus cycle, right? So let me open. Let me open on this. So why? How fucking dare they? I don't know, seriously. I think the bigger thing for me is scary. Well, it would rather see love run and cycle start the next 50 in games as a two than have Scotland the team. Because I honestly think there are better partnerships than scare it will either, love run or cycle. I think we've seen over the last two or three seasons, no matter who scare it was paired with outside of Agar, it doesn't work in a two. Yeah. I mean, what's interesting about Skirtle is that he's conned every manager, right? But he does drop Agar for him and played Skirtle with Caragut. I'm post-Scirtle across. Yeah, moves Skirtle across. So, Steve, who's start then, who should start? Who's starting, in my mind, is Skirtle and love run. And would you start? It's a tough one. It really is. I really hoped that we'd seen a different love run than the one we bought. And I don't think we have. Because three seasons kind of told me that he's just as fucking bad as he was last season. And I really didn't want them to be. I really wanted them to prove people wrong and come out of a shell this season. But like Phil said, it's probably not a bad shout. I don't know. We used to watch Skirtle alongside different people and say he's a fucking liability there for the other people. Because if you are trying to play in a certain way, if he's paying no attention to that whatsoever, then it fucks the whole back forward. I'm going to come down in a minute, but this is where my train of thought goes is that I think the way Skirtle defends makes the person that defends next to him just look terrible. So, a lover wants to be a front-foot proactive defender actually saw the SACO and Skirtle drags the whole thing back and they just look ridiculous. And they look so far cut out of shape. There is a school of thought, Andy, right, that say the difference between us can seed in 50 goals and 20 goals during this season is you simply replace love run with SACO. That SACO is that good, right? That he's treated. You just make that change. And that is a such a significant impact on our defense that it will transform our season. I don't buy into it. Where are you on that? Is it such a gap between lover and SACO that it's it? Well, I don't know. I'd like to see the statistics on when either of them plays the seedless that actually happen. Lover makes very, very obvious mistakes. And I would like to play SACO obviously, but I do have to appreciate the fact that there's stuff we just don't know as fans. We don't see them in train. We don't see their attitudes. We don't hear the conversations that take place. We don't really know what their injury kind of, you know, the likelihood of them giving me. You know, what's going to happen is I think any team that's going to succeed needs defense appearance, center backs, more than anything throughout the whole team. It's one place you just cannot rotate. I think he fails by maybe playing SACO there. He's going to be forced into rotation that SACO is going to let him down and get injured. So that's where the problem is. And it might be other things as well. Maybe they just don't get on and maybe he fails that SACO is not listening to him or something like that. And he just has, he just wants a shot. Well, the last 76 of the games, the last two seasons, SACO has been injured for 42. See, that's over 50% of the games. I mean, we love, we love that guy. Like, I mean, I love the man. I just always felt that every season you were asking the question should we just sell them now? Because if there was any certain money available for Agar, it was a hell of a lot better than, than having it. And the end, we got a full quid and a KitKat. For me, there's no argument. SACO is a better defender than Lovern. But I think, I think the flaw here, and I genuinely think the flaw here is scary. I think, like, as you said, every manager has played scary under defense, right? And we haven't had an immense defensive record, right? Since, since Benite has left, we haven't had an immense defensive record. I think it's time to, well, I thought last season was the time to do it. And as I said at the time, when SACO and Lovern played at Spores that day, I thought there was at least the signs of potentially a partnership, because at least both defenders, as you said, wanted to play with the same style of football. Yeah, and about wanted to do it. So, the mistakes that will be made was because they were trying to play in the front foot. Now, I have no issue with that because they were trying to bet in. But if you don't bet a partnership in, going back to Andy's point, if you don't bet a partnership in over the long-term or over 10, 15 games, you're never going to be able to form a partnership, right? And does this sort of train of thought now that says, well, one's the left center back, the other's the left center back. So, we're taken, you know, but Lovern played right side. Well, we played Carl Torey, who's primarily a right center back at left center back as well, right? Scared let's play it. I think the left center back thing has been a thing that Liverpool fans have kind of become obsessed. Oh, it's just in this thing that there is, the players who just, just kind of fucking function. Yeah. And start put out a comfort zone. But most of them aren't. You know, most of them will have grown play in different soils. It's not, you don't always get your way as a player and you're a fucking center back, you're a center back. Yeah. You know what I mean? Is there, is there one part where why we're just all wrong? And it's actually not that bad a defender? Because if you look at it, Benite has, every one of us would agree was a good defensive coach. Yeah. You know what I mean? Regardless of whether we liked the way the football was played or not, it was a good defensive coach. Yeah. And he picked him regularly. But I think Benite just played a different style, right? I think Skirtle is a very good, deep lie in defender. So if you play him with a game in front of you, you're on your 18 yard line. He wins his one to one battles. He does read the game pretty well. He makes good recovery tackles wins his head as I think he's that. It's when you play 30 yards. It's when you want to move the line forward. Like, you know, there's not, there's not a lot, a lot wrong with that. It's, it takes a very special center back to be able to play like that. You know, I don't think any of them are that special. Like, there's people that love Sacco so fucking much that they fall out with the whole club. Yeah. They believe he's well, I have genuinely, and I'm not making this have a genuinely seen tweet saying if Sacco's name is not on the team, should the Roger should get sacked. That's just needed. They just need to but it interested me because it was I was ready to fill this out, but he's still but actually I'm second ever. A lot of the reputation on Sacco is actually based on his performances in a back three, not in a back two because actually when Sacco played in a back two was skirtle in the tail end of our title season, he was shocking. That's a bad, they were bad in the two together. It's marginal. But again, it's good. The common denominator. I agree. I was looking at, the gas thing was when I was looking at the Swinden game, I was looking at Jordan Williams playing center back for Swinden, and he's gone and loaned to them. Like, he's our player. And I said to myself, Jesus, there's a young friend there always thinking to himself, he's got a real potential to come through as a defensive midfielder, a big pair of when he played in that game for us and has a pass and was able to read the game. And then he was sitting there as a center back and saying, Jesus, that's a fellow now who can play center back. He was reading the game. Well, he handled Benteca for most of that match really, really well. And you're saying to yourself, I know he's putting an extra effort because he wants to show the course. But you know, it's not a bad sign that he's going to go there and get football for the season. And they actually played some decent football and that's a good sign for us because you want to be sending your players to clubs that are going to play. And that sort of goes back to look, I'm at the stage now with the with the centre backs where I do I genuinely think Sacco is a step up to the centre backs we have. However, you can put any really good centre back in with a poor centre back and their performance level will come down. And that's happened right away across all teams. So I think that, you know, my view on it is that who we play at centre back is not going to dictate our season, what's going to dictate our season is who we play at front. So let's say going to that front. Well, I think I think if we have a partnership with the back, it will be a very well detailed to really dictate, you know. Well, that's the interesting thing about Sacco is that and I've heard this argument and people are making out that there's no logic to play in love run. But actually there is because if you spend all preseason building a relationship between Skirtland Sacco, right, and that's your centre back partnership for the start of the season, you've done all this work in them. Given Sacco's injury record, he's going to be injured within five games. And then you've got to take this shell of Love Run, who's had no game time, his confidence is gone, he's had no time to work on anything. And you put him in for basically half a season. Is that the skirt ligament? Of all the centre backs, he's the least injury prone. Well, like Love Run was out in general for a long time last season. Sacco was out in general for a long time. It's definitely a bad part of it. It's the key to go defending us. It's the use and the set in Paris now a lot of the time, you know, you can jump around your fallbacks, depending on who you're playing. But fallback is a bit of a fraud position, so. Yeah, I'm just I'm just wrong, but it's not a real position. Yeah, you know, it's just people who can't play. Fallbacks are called fallbacks who have been remilled from somewhere else in the pitch. Um, you know, so speaking of good football as Andy, we're agreeing that Bentege is going to play a front. Who's playing with him for you, against stuck? So we've had Jordan Eybe, we've had Lana, we've had Firmino, we've had Markovich, or Catino, Origi, Catino. It's a good thing. Like, I mean, that word that we're looking at, sort of six or seven players that fans can debate over who should play and who shouldn't play. Not an awful lot of people like Lana, and they want to see Firmino in, they want to see Catino in, they want to see, you know, they want to see their favorites. Someone's going to have to be left out. Now, like it was my choice. I'd like to see Catino from Eno play, and probably Jart Bip, tree behind Bentege. That's probably what I'd go for, because I like the players. But, you know, there's not a hell of a lot of difference, but we take them one out and put in the other end, especially the fact that Firmino hasn't had it. Yeah, I think that Lana goes in there for Firmino, and that probably is here from, I don't think there's any, there's any place we got to start. I think it's Lana or even Catino, will be the tree that's there. There is the belief that we may play far tree tree. I think we win that case. I think we push it all down players have to lose them, because Bentege start. Yeah. And then there's other people saying that Ings is going to play. Yeah, well, I wouldn't be so upset to see Ings play, actually. We go for three tree. But if Ings and Bentege play, you've got a choice of four players. You've got one, you've only got Lana or Oib. You've only got one dose due to that. Yeah, because you're going to drop Catino into that tree of Milna. So for the sake of it, for the sake of it is Milna, and Annes and Catino. Yeah. And then you'll have, you've got three or four and then you've got Annes and Bentege and Bentege or Lana Ings and Miltege. So let's say, let's see, Catino's in Milna for your just for the sake of the argument, right? So your choice is three out of three out of four really, right? You're playing Ings, Bentege and Oib or Lana for the front three positions. Who's your three out of that four? Assuming for me, there's no fit. I don't think he's going to be clear on Bentege. So Bentege is going to start. So you've got two out of the remaining three. Oh, like it's on Catino's playing in Miltege. Catino's in Miltege. So Firmino. You'd stop Firmino? Yeah, yeah. Fucking time to say this. But I mean, like this in a competitive game and he's going to like, like, Jazzy, he better play huge part in this team this year. So I'm going to say and get going. And so be him, obviously. And then, I mean, I think, Oib gets the nod over Lana for you. Or Amakovich, you know, I'd probably actually, I'd like to say a bit more Amakovich than a world of Lana. I've not been against Lana. I like him. I like him a hell of a lot more than most people. I think he's a nice player to watch. But I think Amakovich long term has a, has a, probably has a, brought a future off football. Steve, also, assuming Bentege starts, who you're playing with. Now, I think it's a little bit of who you want and who is realistically. Yeah. So, so realistically, I would probably be going with Iib and Ings. Okay. In the, in that from three, I've also on that from three, who I don't think Ings starts over Lana, though, even if he goes with that from three. So I think you're looking at, I've been taking Lana. Yeah. But, you know, Amakovich was disappointing against when he thought he was two. Yeah. He lost a lot of the ball. It's passing was terrible. Yeah. His passing was poor. He lost the ball just in terms of looking clumsy on it. And I was someone who really sang his praises last season and was really pissed off when he got made a scapegoat in that, in that arsenal match. But I can't swim and he just looked, he just looked poor. He did not do anything a week away from kickoff. His passing, you know, we complain about Lana, right? Lana always takes a touch too much. But Amakovich is passing is always a foot behind what it needs to be. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, that's what happened. That Arsenal, his passes a foot ahead or away from what it's meant to be. Yeah. And it was the same on Sunday. I was ready for straight away. I think, I think if he's going to play, he has to play further forward. Yeah. I think that's where you're going to get the best out of him to stay. He has the pace and he has a bit of trickery about him to cause teams problems, not only to keep them pushed back because of his pace and his ability to get in behind, but also just because he has the beating of a player, which I don't necessarily think Lana has. And when I say he clearly is a skillful player, but to go past the player and then get on past them, don't think he has. I think it's easier to see where I goes next than it is, where Amakovich goes next. Yeah. I think Aib's next step in terms of his progression is pretty obvious. Yeah. So there's Amakovich. I still think we're only seeing 50% of what he went to. Yeah. Now I was, I was pissed off with the idea of the day watching him, even though people were saying he had had a brilliant match, I thought his end product was terrible. But he came out and said that himself after the game. So Phil, Benetk, it starts. Who are you? Who would you pick and who do you think you're picked? Well, you know who he's going to be. I know who you think. No, no, no. Look, I think it's, it's, it's cast on. It'll be Coutinho, Aib and Lana. Yeah. Now, would you change that if it was you? Yeah. And what would you do? I wouldn't have a Lana in the same. Well, okay. It's cheap. I'd write the traffic on. I genuinely, I just thought he's not, no, he's not my cup of tea. You don't think he's a great cup of tea? Slows it down. I think, I think the, I think what we're going to be really good at this year is fast, is fast attack and play. I don't think he's a fast attacker. And especially if he's on the left hand side and he's up against Johnson, he's not the type of player who'll give fucking Johnson any problems. He's too lightweight. I don't think he's particularly slow on the bar, though. Like, you know, he slows it down, he turns too many times, doesn't play. He's still, he's still in the style of glazes. I think Lana's got four, four, five games at the start. That's the season where he's going to start. My disappointment is that, you know, is around Markovich. Ideally, in this game, if you're going four, two, three, one, right, for, for setting this up and you've got fucking, the man mountain that's now Glenn Johnson and, and, and at right back for them, you'd be looking to exploit that space that every team exploited against us, which is just behind Johnson, because if you get him in there with pace, Johnson won't even bother. I'd be putting, I'd be nearly there. And nobody has the physicality and the pace. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. My frustration with Markovich is that if he, if he was in form and he'd been played a little bit more true preseason, there's potential that you'd start in there. So we could exploit that space. Look, I know you hate Johnson. We should remember Stokes left back is Jeff Cameron, right? So it's not like you got fucking Johnny Alber on one side and Glenn Johnson. Whenever I plays, he's playing against your phone. I just think that that's, that's, that's a pair of like, we know how to exploit that space because we've had to watch it. What you're saying is fucking, and Atlanta type player doesn't exploit that, whereas an I type player. Yeah. And even, even potentially from, you know, because he's just intelligent. Like the one thing that Johnson couldn't handle when he's with us was when he was up against the player, and he told, and he told me trickery, you do one trick and you're a pastor, even when, and even if you only one trick, you're a pastor. Even if you repeated that trick for 90 minutes, every time, but it's like, and that's my only problem with, with, with starting the line against what, what he will start. If I was starting, I'd probably like to see if, like I said, I'd like to see a fortune tree. I'd like to see Chan Henderson in the middle of their midfield, and I'd be starting to continue. And I'd probably for this game, maybe start with two upfront, just, just, just to give them something different to think about, because when you see me in their plane in that sort of role, he's not afraid to go avoid and give support. And, you know, pick those lads up. You know what I mean? They can just flow,ings will float around, fucking, I will just go tearing down the line against lads, and then you have been techy there to, to, to, to accommodate Miller and Henderson or Chan even coming into the box. Yeah. I mean, people are talking about this being a big season for Atlanta. My own personal view on it is it's five games, because by the time the five games are done, Starridge is back, and Firmino's fit, and then Atlanta doesn't get in that side. Yeah. So, he's got a, if he doesn't perform in the first five games, he's not in the start in the level. But if he's not in the level for another season, if he's in and out, if he's not getting games, I think it goes down. Yeah, the worrying thing. He's a good squad player. And I know he has a good squad player, and you're never going to be pissed off. I'd nearly be sort of a little bit disappointed if he is the nailed on starter. But if he's the player that comes in for somebody for a game or two or whatever, or comes in and does well and keeps his place. Well, my point is he's in the nailed on starter now, right? And the only way he's got to be good enough to keep from that, and Starridge comes back, and it isn't your straight back in, right? He's got to be that good. Right. But if he's not, what I'm saying is, I know that, first of all, I don't think Atlanta is good as the squad player. I think he needs to play. And if he's not playing games, we saw this last season when it stopped start with him, he just doesn't perform. Similar to Joe Allen. A bit like that. Yeah. So, I think that's why I think it's a big five games. Yeah, no. The problem for him probably is that he didn't look in any way impressive in Europe last season. No, not that any of our players did. Well, it's because he's a very good Premier League player, but not good in the Champions League. Yes, as Phyllis said. So, my worry for him is that you're looking at possibly giving him games in the Europa if he's lost his place in the start in 11. And he may still struggle there, you know. All right. So, we're going to move it forward. I was going to ask if anyone has seen Stoke in pre-season. But seen as you have seen as you have seen Liverpool in pre-season, I don't feel watched Stoke in the F.C. cone. Just to give us your 30 second kind of view on Stoke. Johnson looks like Ashley Moody's been poor. I swear to God, he's gone so big and he's had his hair grow. Honestly, when I was watching, I thought I was actually with him. And he was moving with that same level of pace as him as well. Stokes in Cologne destroyed them. They basically just exploited the lack of pace in the side. Now, whether that's close to their start line up or not, I don't know. But they had Van Hinkle playing. They had Jocely was playing. They had most of their new signings playing. Peter's was playing left back. And they had Johnson at right back. And I was thinking to myself, if we can exploit their pace, because they're commandos, it's the Britannia, they want to try win the game or whatever, then we can get at them. But it needs us being quick through the phases from defense to attack. We can't let this slow type of idea of build up, but just allow them to reset themselves and it'll be hard for us to break them down. OK, so looking at our first five games, what I want to start to do is get a bit of a view of how you think the first five games are going to go and then moving to predictions for the season as a whole, right? So now we may as well put our balls on the line and say how we think it's going to go. So the first five games, just for those of you who might not know, Stoke Away, Beaumath at home, Arsenal Away, West Ham at home, United Away. All right, so pretty tough first five games. It's almost like even Beaumath, you just don't know what to expect from. Yeah, you know, and it's that newly promoted club that makes it difficult, you know. Who've born with our first game in the season? Anybody know? No. I think it could be Swansea. Swansea. Swansea have Chelsea. Check the Internets. I think it might be Everton. Is it Everton? I think. Check the Internets. Anyway. So while you're looking at that, Andy, first five games there, full Liverpool, how do you see them going? What's your feeling? Not predictions for the season yet, just first five games. Yeah, well, obviously Stockholm is going to be difficult. I think I don't think we lose. I think we can beat them. But a draw wouldn't be a horrific result or anything like that. Then you're going to have to be bombed. It's a proxy time to play in a newly promoted team, especially team like Barnard that's been a long, long time, you know, to play at this level. So they're going to be, is the forest time ever? Yeah, I mean, they're going to be buzzing. It's like, you know, you can see them towards the end of the season around Christmas time. Just getting battered by everyone. But at the start, they're going to have a point to prove. And that's the last thing we want, because it's similar to playing in the FA Cup, where teams just raised their game. So you're going to see a bomb team that's going to be raised their game a lot. Ursula way. I think Ursula are going to be brilliant this year. So that's, that's going to be fucking very difficult. West Ham home have to beat them. And then you know it the way. It's a funny, funny feeling about, you know, it like, you know, going for it in the game. So I think that the four games, they need the national break, then United away. And apparently today, storage is saying that he might be fit for that game. Yeah. So yeah, it'd be interesting to see how the other four guys go before like just introducing storage back. Like hopefully it's not like last season where you're just watching these fixtures and the concentration is getting the likes of storage back for especially hopefully you can just bring storage back fucking nicely. You know, if people are beating teams or, you know, if they pick up three wins and a draw then against Ursula way, going into, you know, again, would be, would be sticking with watching. So Phil, better to mind your three out of 10 engines or excitement. I'm almost free to ask you this question, but you know, according to the United away game, what do you think we're looking at? How do you think we're doing? Parach and my incredible optimistic level that I'm at. If we want top four, I think we need 10 from points from the force 15. Okay. All right. I think three wins and a draw. Yeah. Yeah, they would genuinely because I think looking at that fixture list that sets out, we have to be beaten, stoked, and born with an West Ham. Yeah. And then getting a point out of the Arsenal, Arsenal away and United away is actually not as bad a return for this stage of the season because if you were going in out 15 points, you're going in with 10, you're going to be there there about some in the top four. Yeah. And you don't want to serious right here, you know, no, but you're talking about trying to pick up points against Arsenal away and United away every time the league is going to struggle with them. And I know. And I know, but I'm saying to you, given the tasks that's in front of us, this isn't a season coming off the back of World Cup or European championships, right? So I think the points level for Ford is going to be higher than what it was last year, which was in around the 72 mark. I think you're going to need 75 to 76 points to get top four this year. And if you want to do that, you need to make a good start. And if I was saying like the first 10 games, you're looking to get 20 points on the board. Yeah. Okay. And that's going back to your two points per game ratio to get you to 76 from the end of the season. Steve, how do you see us going into the international break? Yeah. I would agree with the last. I just checked there. Bournemouth's game is against Villa at home to Villa for as much of the season. So that's probably not a bad one to be able to gauge them on. I would be expecting six points from the first two games. I would, you know, we have to, if we wanted seriously challenged top four rather than just scrape our asses through it, they're the games you have to win. You know what I mean? And you have to be able to go to the Britannia and take three points because Chelsea and Arsenal and Sadie, and probably United will. So six points from them, I'd be delighted with a point down at Arsenal. Like Andy said, I think they will be quite strong because they haven't bought a lot of players. So as we've seen the last few years, the clubs that haven't added huge numbers to the ranks tend to be the ones that at least start off strongest. So you're looking at Chelsea. It's just just on it. Like I know it's a big ask. But if you think about it, the year that we finished second on the Rodgers, we took 11 from the Force 15. Yeah. You know, and that's, that's what I'm saying to you. I remember coming in after the Swansi, I mean, that's kind of our, our, our, our fifth game, when we were starting to go on, we'd had three wins on the bounce, then we had two draws, and we fit, we were feeling deflated after that. We're saying like, Jesus, our gold starts being ruined because we did, well, when you look back at it now, 11 from 15 sets it up lovely. I mean, my, my, my thing is I think you have to win the first two. I think you got to go to Stork and win. And then you've got to be bummed. Because then suddenly then you're like six from six. Okay. Tales are up and why does that come? Because Westam are actually going to be at these. My actual view, I think Bentek is exactly the type of striker Arsenal won't want to play against. Yeah. So that's the only thing that's making me go. We could have a chance there. Okay. So moving away from the story. Sorry. It's just one thing on Stork. I think it's a long time since we've had a player who's going to be well able to handle the likes of Shawcross. Okay. So I don't know who they're two centerhouse because who's gone? Yeah. So whoever they're going to have, but they're going to have big physical centerhouse. It's what they, it's what they play most of the time. And it's going to be nice for us to actually be able to impose a game on it. Yeah. Until Jonathan Walters eats Joe Gomez. So predictions then on a couple of things. First of all, where a Liverpool going to finish Andy? Probably fifth. Fifth. Yeah. Stevel? I'm going to be optimistic and say third. Third. Fell. That's, that's based on Sturge coming back and not being fucked. Too many variables for me to, to, to actually have a realistic view on where we're going to finish at the end of the season. Yeah. That's why it's a prediction. So just give us a prediction of fucking crystal ball at the end. Yeah. It's not a risk assessment. Fuck's sake. Fifth or sixth? Fifth or sixth? I think like stay away, like major optimistic like on the tour. But I thought this was the optimistic part. No, don't get me wrong. I was here at the same. Optimistic sticking on the blinders here and say we're going to win the league, but unfortunately, without seeing, you know, it playing, city playing, you know, this season, Chelsea and seeing which of these teams is actually manageable to get past. Because at the moment, I just can't actually realistically say that we would definitely get past one of them. I think the best chance probably looking at the squads, you know what I mean, will be probably city because I think they could have a really force season. I think, you know, I think everybody's looking at them. You know, I'd have got a fantastic name. But they, but they don't have a fantastic defense and they've got one striker. They're boys. So I think if they, but I'm going, I'm going. So as it stands, I think we'll finish fourth, possibly third, because Sturge, Bentege, and Firmino is a better frontline than anyone other than the city. Well, I don't know. Yeah. I would, I would look at Remy Falcao and Casta and say, because they have that go wrong. So well, and we'll see, because I think Falcao will actually have a decent season with Chelsea decision. Based on, okay. Who's winning the league, Andy? Probably Chelsea. Chelsea. Yeah, I agree. Sorry for the past. If we can get 12 points from the fourth, 15, we will fuck. Yeah. If we can finish the season with 96 points, we're an excellent challenge. It's a very difficult thing to answer now, like, I mean, but you're basing everything on just, like, taking feelings out of the area, because, I mean, if you look at Chelsea, like, they were getting hopped off and pre-season and city were getting beaten as well. Like, you know what I mean? I'm a watch there or something or anything. So, like, it's impossible to bet it based on the pre-season alone. You can only really look at their squads and, yeah, we're still, we're still fifth best. You know, take whatever date, the point you want. Don't have to go on pre-season. It's just, you know, I think if you ask this question, five games, the ten games into the season, then you can start saying, well, I recognize we need to see. All right, let's finish up with the remaining bit of business we might have to do as a club cook answer. Are we buying anyone else? And who will be selling it? No, I think it's done. I'd say anything else now will be kind of opportunistic, like, as if someone comes in, a boy is one of our players, and we have to go and replace themselves, enter, come in and say, oh, fuck it, you know, give us Luke because they're, we're going to have to go on, boy again, you know, or if Balotelli goes, you know, when you get a decent amount of money for my brain, you know, there's going to be a few quick therapy to put into it, you might look like it. I don't think we need strikers. Yeah. I think we're set up with the strikers we have. We've started to protect our rigging, riggingings. And if you look for likes, the, you know, the rigging and storage is more or less to cover a covering one there. So that we're in a better position than we were last year for like, and not as developed, but, you know, similar style. And so it's really for me, it's only who can we add to the midfield, because neither Alan or Luke is a good enough, if we want to be top four. So it's, you know, who are you going to add? Who's going to be another stronger midfielder than the two of them? And what what's the ultimate failure? I know we skip past the preseason, but your man Pedro is very good. Who? The young boy, Pedro, the soldier. Was very good. When he came on against Swindon as well. I tell you, it's a couple of good. That's why I don't think we're by a midfielder, because I actually think that a couple of those guys didn't. Then the only likely one would be that if we get, if Moreno goes somewhere, because I think he'd be eating up back in Spain by Valencia or somebody like that, right? If the price was right, that we might go on Swindon left back. Yeah. And I think the only credible link we've seen is to Lucas Digner, yeah, a PSG, a genuine thing. That's the only credible Swindon that we'll probably make, but I don't think we make it. I think I think what we have... I think Moreno stays. What about this link with your man, Adam, is a Ferrari, they made that up, as in the player's made up. Yeah, I don't think he's... No, he was having... I can't go home with Swindon. That wouldn't go any scarred ever. It was very self-swaring, so it was bouncing off of shins and everything. Then he slotted away like Suarez and torn inside of it. People take these real ones that are just made up, and they go up to the point that they're putting them in their team. Yeah. And they're saying, "I'll probably take Firmino out, I'll probably play him ahead of..." I think he's cutting a talk about this fucking fantasy player. Well, I think what's better about it, along on these lines, is like... You know, I remember the art of Thoron. He can't play until January. Let's loan our art of Thoron. We've just spent fucking 20 odd million on an attack him at Firmino. So let's not play Firmino. Let's get our art of Thoron. Just for four months to piss Firmino off, and then give him back to Barra. Now we're ready to play there. Have a groan of beer. I think we will shift a few. I just saw there tonight that Perini is in... Or Liverpool are in talks with Argentina. So it'd be nice to see him go, even if it's only for six, seven million quid, whatever it is, Balotelli goes, Lambert's gone. I don't think any of them need to be replaced. I think we've... I think for... We've done it. What we asked... Yes, they're not even involved. No, what we all wanted to see was us do our business early, and then we're able to get rid of the ship, rather than doing it the other way around. And thankfully we have done that. So I think we'll see Balotelli and Barini go, Lucas or Alan, I'd be happy enough to see one of them go, and a sentiment field they've brought in. Well, we all know who you want. Yes, but I mean, Barini and Balotelli are saying, there's probably only Enrique that we have to get rid of after. That we have to get rid of. It doesn't exist anymore. I don't think we even need to get rid of him, because Balotelli was in around the squad and could be seen as a negative influence. Same with Barini. Enrique's just having a really well-paid holiday. It's just saying that there's nobody interested in having Enrique kick a ball from... No, nobody has. Not even promoted. Not even promoted, though. I'm not going to say something really controversial here. I don't think Enrique is that bad of a footballer to some of the lads that we've sold for fucking Mad money. No, he's not here. Boy, there was a time I liked Enrique. Remember him and Torres had this men who telepathic link where he was pinging balls? Get the Barcelona. But I mean, we've had him as an attacker. He was he's guard. Scored, yeah, yeah. No, it's just fucking weird. I don't know, is he? But it's interesting, I think you made the point about Balotelli before. You know, some of our fans who hate Rogers, they keep going on about, like, you know, how badly treated you do. Where the fuck are all these people lining up to buy Balotelli? Surely, if you were a professional football manager, just looking at that, and it was truly because Rogers is mismanaged him. Yeah. And he was... I don't know, because all these people out there who've made living in a football, they're getting paid to be a culture football, managing football teams. They played football, but they just cannot see. But like, where I could see. The whole seeing eye of Twitter. If he use him properly, he's amazing. Yeah. So there's no manager out there who's saying, you know, I'm going to buy Balotelli. I'm going to bill me whole team. I'm going to use him properly. I'm going to get the best of them. Because, you know what, it won't happen. Yeah, I'm going to get that. And then that's the thing of Balotelli. It was like, that's the thing. But you said it, I was like, fucking it. There's such a light bulb moment. Where the fuck are all these people coming to buy Balotelli? You know, we can't get rid of him. Can't give him away. You know, we could fucking sell Lambert. We've got four million for Lambert. And we can't sell Lambert. We're looking for 10 million euros. And some fuckers got on the ad. Sorry to give me a discount on that. Good luck, you know. And it's weird as well, just on that same point, the way people like open arms, the way Balotelli's being treated. And they're like, "How bad is Enrico being treated?" Well, see, it's been treated by fucking royalty. And the only difference is Enrico is probably enjoying it. Yeah. But don't even have a train now. This will keep them buying them new segues and shit just to send them home. Just keep them from hockey points. He's like, you know, when you watch a movie and the son of the corporation's president gets sent off somewhere, just keep them out of the way. You know, that's really good. Does he even give up Alex? He will play anymore. I don't know. He doesn't fucking size in him. He looks like a fucking linebacker in America. But he doesn't even look like he could run. He doesn't even look like he trains anymore. He's just like, he comes to the gym. Just to give him 15 weeks. I don't know. He's going to be a WWE wrestler. So I'm going to tell you, that's what he's going to do. He used to have a nickname and all that. And that's our role. It's our role. It's our link for him. It's just an uber-bordo. He's a lunatic job. He's let himself go down the drain like that as well. Because he could have just pushed for a move when he realized he wasn't getting in anymore. Yeah. So I think cosy and reggae is a perfect way to end this part of the discussion. Hello, this is running wheel and air and you list the tripper chats. Unbelievable stuff. You asked me anything about Liverpool FC. I will answer that immediately. I'm an encyclopedia. As you know, I play for Liverpool in the 1980s. What many trophies played with Liza Kenny Daggle each game soon as we wanted to want a team we were. We were just unbelievable. Anyway, tripper chats. Okay, we're going to try something different because we're sick of would you rather questions and WWE questions. So we threw it out to our listeners and got some try and stop it. I am stunned. Nobody used the words to go. Yeah, well, I think we put that one to bed. Now, one of them Phil was just ball. And it prompted me to think that you have some opinions about the new ball that we're using, right? Yeah, I was going down the route of like a Devs ball or something like that when I was thinking about this. And then I saw a picture of the new fucking premiership ball. And I hadn't been paying attention to footballers over the summer because like, you know, when you get to a certain age, you don't pay attention to football apparel. Like 12. Yeah. Yeah. But I got tubes. When you discover women balls. Then you get married and you start looking at footballers again. Well, it looks like a Marvel fucking supervillain. It's like like Spiderman's head when he was torn into venom. Like, what is it? It's red and it's it's it's poxy. It looks like a cup champion with like marker drawn on it. It's a bag of show. Now, like what I find about these new footballs is the colors and that that red is kind of very dark. Yeah. If you know what I mean, I like it's alumnus, but it's very colorful. Like, you know what I mean? Do you ever find that when someone turns up the astro with a ball that's so colored? It's very hard to think of it. I think it's so lit. You just have to play football without fucking my ball. And when they discover the tango back in '88 or whatever it was, and then they brought out different variations of tango to France '98, it should have all just stopped there. And just finally perfected how bars should look. Yeah. So stop. Yeah. Just stop there. Instead, no, you could have just fucking ruined everything. They've ruined all this. They've actually ruined how good a goal is going to look this season. You know, the same people say that Apple should have stopped at the iPod, Stevo, like, do you know what I mean? And without that, we wouldn't have had the iPhone, the iPod, these innovations. You know, should you got to embrace a culture of innovation, you're inspired by the internet? If we can use the internet on a match ball, then you might have to go on there, but you're not. Enrique will never quit football. The eyeball. No, I don't have an idea on that now. It's a shit-looking football. Like, it looks like, you know, when you walk into lifestyle or a champion, and there's that big fucking bin of balls in the middle. Sorry, you're in the style of the channel. They clubs you go to. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, there's that big bin of balls for a tenner. And there's this shit that's not the ball in my balls. Yeah, yeah. And you're just looking, you go, fuck off. Not by now. So, that's exactly- That looks like a warrior ball. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The zone is a warrior. I've just went on. The yoes will fucking land once. That's a trip. I just, like, created this piece of shit. Like, that's the yellow version you're going to look like when it's winter. I don't know. Dark yellow. Like, going back to your point, you know, it's dark. It's going to be hard to pick it out on television. It's all brand-in, guys. Of course it is. And what, like, just explain, like, explain to me how this bar is actually going to improve Nikes. Right. Because we've just spent five minutes talking about it. But like- Well, if it was just a white ball, we wouldn't be talking about it. We wouldn't say anything about it. We've mentioned like five times in the conversation. And we- Some marketing guy is going to pay- We're only paying a slight fee for that. Yeah. And he only asked us to mention it three times. But we've mentioned it five times. So, we've done a good job. I'm probably- Oh, he could design a ball that people are going to snooze. [laughter] Yeah, that hair is going to make you bang, though. [laughter] And nobody's even asking you, man. It's crazy. And he's like, "Pala, tell you where!" Oh, it is. Oh, there's some people. Fucking my hair. Sparse was- They just say him out. They just say him out. So, Sorfar was off punching sharks again. Who did South African- Oh, the- Yeah, their man make fun of them with them. There was another video of him punching some sharky. No, whatever. There's a fella that nearly got his leg bitten off. Yeah, I was in the competition and gave the shark a dig. Yeah. And then went on and competed on the competition. Like, he's arguably like the fucking madest man in life. That or he's very tasty sharks. The shark version of Crocodile Dundee. Yeah. [laughter] I mean, on the first video of him punching the shark, my favourite bit was how quickly he went from shitting himself to whack him to just punching the shark. [laughter] It's like, "Oh, fuck off!" Fuck off, Sharon. Fuck off, Sharon. Thank you. Someone was like, "He was annoying." I think I did. He was like, "Fuck off." Like, this is crazy. You're in a competition here. You're trying to fucking surf your dick. You don't want to do it in a bar. And some guy bumps into the lower guy and the guy turns around, "Fuck off." Like, just go out the way. Like, say when you woke up the next morning and that just hit home. And he was just like, "Oh, fuck off." He'd never get back. What the fuck? Why did I punch a shark? [laughter] Oh, just for our listeners, these were the first three words that people sent in to us when we said, "Just send in a word." "Spirting," "Shy-talk," and "aids." So, you know, lots of topic to get into there. So, whiskey? Any whiskey drinkers in the room? - Actually-- - Ah, okay. - Well, I was not saying-- I had my-- I bought my first glass of whiskey ever last weekend. The weekend before last. And I'd never-- Like, a lot of my mates would be whiskey drinkers and whatever one wrote. And I'm always like, "That's wanky." But I was at an engagement party. And your man who's getting married said, "What do you have?" And he said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. "Let's ruin some back day." - Yeah. - Last night we had a discussion on WhatsApp. - Some of these babies born-- - Yeah. - You do not agree. We're buying the baby a present. - No. But you went to an engagement party? - Yeah, 'cause I was going to get drunk. There was something in it for me. But last week did I get them a present. - In case I wasn't going to get them a present. No, I just went and drank with them. - I had to go on there and just-- - I think that's what I was saying. I just went and got sorry. - And the guy getting engaged bought you a whiskey. - No, no, no, I bought him a whiskey. - Oh, you bought him a drink. - So, you asked him what he was having. - And I said what he was having. And there was some fucking 12-year-old scotch. And he says, "I'll have a glass of that." So I was like, "I'll fuck him." - The fucking scabby. Not only 'cause he's happening again. - He rinsed me. - He was a 20 or a glass of fucking whiskey. - Well, we had one each. - So, yeah, that was my first ever one. - How did you drink it? - I drank it, but one cuba vice. - Yeah. - That's all, 'cause-- - Like, how did you drink it? - See, this is the problem. I've never been a whiskey drinker. So I sifted and tried to let the flavor in my mouth. So did I enjoy it? - Well, anyway, so what I drank, which is if there's anyone listening who kind of fancies this whole image of having a whiskey in the room, try a Glen Fiddick. It's only about 12 year old. Like, whereas you could pay 20 or a, you know, or it's a tenner, actually. - Well, if anyone from Glen Fiddick is listening and wants to send us some free bottles, that would be greatly appreciated. - Okay, in other words, lads is Tobler owns. Anyone got any funny stories about Tobler owns? - Oh, funny story, but we're already shaped like a trainer. - Because the Swiss chocolate, isn't it? And they're trying to make it like the Alps? - No, no. - So it fits in the box, obviously. - Yay! It just always reminds me of-- - All right, another food-based one was porridge lads. Any of you porridge eat does in them all? - Yeah, yeah. - Most of you are definitely a porridge. - Once it comes to winter time, I wouldn't be eating porridge during the summer, but yeah. Bit of honey, cinnamon raisins. - Yeah. - Flowers, proper oats now, or-- - Yeah. - Get the ready mixed stuff. - Jumbo oat lips. Leave them in the fridge overnight. - I tell you what, actually, it was on a stag last year, and if you get those big jumbo oatlets and soak them in orange juice overnight, and then a dollop of naturally yogurt and some fresh berries. - You did this on a stag? - No, no, no. (all laughing) - I got that from a stag. - Yes, a stag, no. - We went to a cooking class. - And Rachel Allen was there. - Yes, that is a-- - We wrote a Manchester saying the Ibis, and it was literally as you walked out, there was this little place for a breakfast, but I couldn't stomach a fry. I just wasn't able for it, and I ended up getting this. I was fucking gorgeous. There's a little tip now. Soap them in orange juice. - Oh, you fucking ready, Rex Gray? - No. - It's like fucking-- - Sedually different kids? - Yeah, well, it's like porridge except it's got the fucking shit knocked out, but like-- (all laughing) - It's just the meal ship, but in it. - It's being milled to powder, basically. - Yeah, yeah. - But I was giving the little fella the ready reckoning with mashed banana in it, and I tasted it and I was like, holy shit. (all laughing) - Oh, my God, this is fucking crazy. (all laughing) - Ever. - As you say, a bit of cinnamon and honey in it, you're fucking hell, one of the miseries. - I tried to get a stick of raisins in before you cook it, so that they absorb the liquid, and you get nice juicy raisins then. - I know, my business was making my son, like proper brown bread with Nutella and banana on it, like, you know, and whereas before she gave with him, she took a bite of it, she was like, fuck that. (all laughing) - Don't get it, don't get it. Don't get it, don't get it. Don't get it, don't get it. - Stick it, stick it out. It's being full of Nutella into the porridge. - Yeah. - That's quality that is, it's like chocolate porridge. - It's healthy, a lot of food, a lot of food based stuff today, you know, like, you know? - Yeah. - All right, we'll leave it there. - Yeah. - I thank our friends at Astropark.ie. You're one stop shop for small-sided games here in Dublin. Our friends at Five Times or Co are coming to Ireland. They're going to be in Wexford on the 1st of October, Dublin on the 2nd of October, Cork, Galway and Derry, Limerick and Belfast, all the way through the rest of the latter part of the year. They've kindly donated two meet and greet tickets for each of the events, which we will be given away over the course of the next few weeks. So keep an eye on our Twitter feed here @TheDayTrippers and our Facebook page. We will come up with a way to get those to you. 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