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Deion it's always a pleasure to talk to a man who has a little bit of an insight into Liverpool and has done quite a bit of writing on the topic and I've been very much taken with your piece on Rogers there recently and several of them in fact. What is your bottom line when it comes to Brendan Rogers' suitability for the Liverpool FSG project as it seems to be and do you think that's different really to what would be best for the fans or what the fans would like, basically what's best for the project as opposed to what's best for and what fans want? Well, do you mean that the project is a kind of sustainable model that FSG wants rather than what the fans want? I guess so, I think that seems to be what we're being sold as a concept anyway as a long-term concept. Well, then I don't know, then maybe Rogers is suitable if you want a manager, I don't think necessarily, I don't think sacking Brendan Rogers is something that should be considered lightly or done at all necessarily like this summer because if you're talking about a manager who achieves kind of, as everyone points out, Liverpool's fifth highest wage bill, fifth in the league, that kind of thing, then Rogers isn't going to, he's not John Carver, he's not going to make things out of a lot worse, but there is a question when people put those figures to you, you think, well, why have a manager at all? Because if managers can make things worse, there are managers who can make things better too. Yeah. And that was the point of the piece I wrote last week, which was, you know, I think, and, you know, again, this isn't startling insight by me, but, you know, lots of people are saying, but if Jurgen Klopp is available, do you then consider that somebody work pursuing who is better than Brendan Rogers? The way it's unfolding with Brendan Rogers at the moment, and I think there are problems with how Brendan Rogers manages the club, but I think, you know, there are obviously things that happen on the pitch games that get lost, but I do think, as well, there is a key thing when people say, oh, what he says in press conferences doesn't matter. I think there is a problem when a manager spends an awful lot of time putting credit towards himself for things that get to succeed, and then when you see, after the game, like the Aston Villa game, saying that the players didn't, you know, they needed to have more courage. That's the problem, because that's what fans think, that's what addressing room thinks, and that's a problem. So if my view on this, and it's the kind of, it's the old, I think it's the Billy Bean line about, you know, you keep upgrading or you're fucked, and I think if you can upgrade the manager, as the same if you can upgrade the players, if you feel the manager is running out of time, or running out of ideas, or is weakening his position, you know, then you look to do it, and that's my view on it, but I think there are a lot of other reasons why Liverpool have had the season they've had, and, you know, it comes down to recruitment essentially, but every football team stands or falls on recruitment. Before we move away, I suppose, too much from the topic of Rodgers, because I do want to stick with it just for a minute, and I'm going to embarrass you here by putting you on the spot, just for the sake of our listeners to read that piece from the article that you read, and it's kind of early on in the piece, and you say, "If I seem certain Brendan Rodgers, the musical is written one day, there will be no problem finding song titles which tell this improbable tale, death by football. You can live without water, but you can't live without hope. The magic carpet ride, and you only train dogs, will be among the tunes that outline our hero's story with some of the Brio poetry and the energy that he's brought to his career." Now, to me, that's sort of wonderfully sums up in a kind of a metaphor, the idea of the guff that Brendan does speak, and look, it's undeniable, and even those of us who would go out of the way to defend and when possible, would see that as one of the problematic aspects of him as a manager, in terms of the relationship that he's developing with the fans, and it's something that you flagged up there. Other things, I mean, there's the kind of faux philosophy, there's myth building, there's this focus on the future which you flagged up in your article as well, always looking to the future as opposed to kind of, you know, as they say, and when's or live in the area. Are they the kind of aspects or anything else that you could add to that? Well, again, I do think that stuff, and even that intro to the piece, was to kind of get to the next line, which was about what does he want as a football manager, and that's something that I struggle with, again, it's like how, you know, you go back to the famous quote about when he was at Swansea, and they played Sunderland, and the quote, we were of significance today, it was great for the people up here to see our team, and Swansea had lost two nil, and there was always that thing of the argument and the debate, and if you want to talk about the philosophy between winning at all costs and winning and not winning at all costs, if you like, they seem to be the two extremes, and I sometimes wonder if Rogers is too far on the other side of it, where people say the performance, you know, eventually the results will come, but sometimes it's like just focus on the performance. That's my opinion on it. I think the key thing though, the key problem I have with him is this sense, and I think it is wearing of a dressing room. I don't think that sources close, or whoever, you know, gave that wonderfully detailed briefing for newspapers to have pieces on how Brendan Rogers had single-handedly turned the season around, occasionally calling in his staff, but essentially working at the problems on his own, whoever gave that briefing was, as I say, badly advised, like that was a time when the people hadn't done anything, they hadn't actually achieved anything in the season. If you're going to do that piece, which maybe you shouldn't at all, but if you're going to do it, if you're going to brief on that piece, do it at the end of the season when something has been achieved, but don't then when things start, you know, it doesn't help then when things start going wrong. If the manager comes out and says, you know, again, it's the same, but he's on it throughout his time at Liverpool, but you know, the most recent examples are after the Aston Villa game about players, I can encourage, he said it after Crystal Palace last season, he said they lacked Liverpool lack game management on the pitch, so again, it's like what's going on in the pitch is somehow, that's I can't control that, which may or may not be true, but when you've got a manager who is, as he said, you know, who is putting himself forward as a kind of visionary, then don't be talking yourself down when things go wrong, and I think that's a key thing, and I, you know, any footballer you talk to about these things will tell you that those things matter, like, you know, you can, supporters can say they don't or people, we can say they don't or do matter, but you talk to players and they say that sort of matters. And what, what thing in your opinion needs to happen, I mean, we've had a lot of discussion about it here in podcasts, and a lot of the guys are of the opinion that maybe the overall management structure needs to change within the club, some people think in moving that perhaps a director of football might help, if Roger's were to stay, and like, let's face it, it does seem highly possible that he will, how does the club move forward, what changes do you think are most likely, first of all, and most advisable secondly? Well, you look at FSG's record on this, you know, especially when they got rid of Kamolie and then Doug Lee, so they didn't, they didn't, like, hesitate when they felt people hadn't really done what they're supposed to do. And it may be, like, and I put this in the piece last week, and I would have sympathy for Roger's if he lost his job, and the transfer committee remained, because I find it astonishing that Liverpool knew for a year that Luz Suarez was leaving, they knew that, they knew they had one more year with them, and their plans were Alexis Sanchez and then fall off a cliff, you know, like, like, Remy, like, it was Remy, Remy may have made Remy would have been better than Balotelli, but he still wasn't, I don't see him as a replacement for Suarez, and certainly Balotelli isn't. So if that's what you can come up with, with a year of planning, with the kind of wisdom of crowds and all these other things that Liverpool are supposed to be utilizing, then those people aren't good enough at their jobs, like, that's just a reality. And I would have, so Brendan Rogers played his part in that, and you know, one of the way the committee has failed has been a classic failure of committees, like, you know, it basically gives everybody a way out, that wasn't my decision, that wasn't my decision, instead of being the wisdom of crowds, it's just the collective failure of bureaucracy, so everyone can say that wasn't my fault, I didn't sign him, he wanted him blah, blah, blah, you know, so equally, it doesn't very little evidence that Brendan Rogers' signings are good enough. So again, I think a lot, I would agree that if Rogers was to stay, you would need to look at how you recruit a lot better, and probably get rid of people, but again, you know, looking to do something different in the transfer market, because that is the key thing, and Rogers is, you know, he is a good coach, and he can't put a team together, but I just wonder if the way things are at the moment, if that can happen. Yeah, I've got Phil here with me, well, my last question, Dion. Dion, just a quick one, I suppose, it's something that's been playing in my mind over the last couple, well, last few months since the season, I started going very parashaped since October time, but you feel that the visions that, you know, that really emanate from the Hicks and Gillette area of the club, you feel that just really being papered over a lot of the times, because you can even see with the Rogers team, you know, there's a lot of people out there who want them out, or want them in, there's people card them for Rafa, there's people, you know, and all of a sudden, the fan base seems to be very fractured when, if you look at Lassie's and almost everyone to a tee would have been saying that Brendan Rogers has taken the club in the right direction, and I think it's interesting, you'd feel that the damage that Hicks and Gillette inflected on the club, you know, how long is that going to take the heel really, or is it something that a change in management would solve fairly quickly? Well, I don't know, like, I think there's a natural tendency in all football supporters to see, like, it's a problem with Liverpool, because of that, maybe it is because of the Hicks and Gillette, it tends to point inwards, but like, you know, any football supporter, you write about any football club, but if you write about Manchester City, you get accused of being a Manchester United fan, you know, you'll get, like, that's the way it kind of breaks with Liverpool, kind of slightly straight, you know, it's a sort of stranger phenomenon in that you tend to be accused of being in some other camp within the club, so maybe that is probably still the aftershocks of Hicks and Gillette, and you know, of the sort of Benitez era, because, you know, there were sort of divisions there as well, so, but I don't, I think the kind of beneath your reaction isn't any different, it's just that there's a different label to hang on, whatever agenda people perceive, rather than it being a kind of a kind of unique sort of feeling or a unique way of reacting to situations, but because of what's gone on in the past, or does it tend to be those splits, which maybe is because of that, but I think the general sense is just, you know, of, you know, people not, when people hear things, they disagree, but they tend to react like that, yeah, yeah, look, I know, we barely want to give a mention to that obnoxious spanner and all the rest of it, and you've mentioned clap as a potential replacement, but as a man who's been kind of up close and personal with Rafa Benitez in terms of interviewing him, and again, to see how the man operates, would you have any truck at all with this idea that it's been made of the film, I'd better return for Benitez to Liverpool, or is that one of those things you'd rule out immediately? I'd rule it out, I think it'd be a bad idea for everyone, right, I just think it's, you know, Neil Atkinson had a, I think it's just, you know, the divisions, like, you only have to see what's happening at the moment, to see there will be a rump of people who would, who would be against it, I think there would be massive expectations from the people who would want them back, I think Liverpool are better, are better moving forward, I thought Liverpool, I thought FSG, even, I thought even their ideas for, you know, what they want to do at the club and when they, when they appointed Rogers were fine, I thought it was actually a good work, it does, it does, it does a logic to it, yeah, I, I think in some ways they, they went too far into kind of thinking they wanted people who, you know, would accept the collective decision, but I think you'd rule out, I think the idea of somebody who wants, wants, has a will and a vision and wants something done, shouldn't be kind of ruled out, it's a good thing, you might not like it, but you look at people, your vendor had it, his peak Ferguson had it, Mourinho has it, Guardiola has it, like if you find that, if you find somebody who says, this is what I want, you, you, you, and you kind of think this, but this is a compelling vision, you go for it now, I know Rogers had his, his 100 A page dossier, but I think he was more of a, he was more of a committee man at the same time too, but I think go back to Benita's, I think it would be, it would be, it would be crazy, I think just for everyone's sake to kind of go back to that and try and, while relive, relive it, you know, I, I think again, you go back to his final year, I thought the greatest mistake with, with Benita's going was replacing with Hodgson, I thought there was a, there was a logic, you could make you good, you could easily, you could make a very persuasive case in that final year that the pressure of everything had made him, you know, had put him into a position where he wasn't really, you know, you're going to do the job well again. The, the huge mistake was again, not upgrading, was downgrading massively. Yeah. And that's, and that's the thing and to go back, I don't, I don't think anyone, I don't think it'd be good for him and I don't think it'd be good for him. And just one last thing on a kind of broader scale day on, we've been talking amongst ourselves and basically if Liverpool can't break into the top four in this season, which seems to be full of sides who are, let's say underperforming, and when are they going to do, it is the kind of question that we'll be talking about later on. And what do you think about that concept that the standard of the Premier League, it's something we hear thrown around quite a lot of people tend to, tend to gripe, but there seems to be a compelling argument for it that the standard of the Premier League is quite poor this season. How, how, how do you think about that? Yeah, I think it, I think it's, I think it's been, I think it's been a poor league as well. I think it's, there just hasn't been, you know, you compared to last season, and speaking as a journalist, I found, you know, there were so many things to write about last season, obviously a title race, but there was, you know, Manchester United, various things happening. This season has been, has, hasn't been interesting, and it hasn't been, there isn't the quality then, if you want to judge it against, you know, what English clubs have done in Europe. But Liverpool, like you can say, the Liverpool should have done better, but Liverpool have played their part in it being an underwhelming season by being underwhelming themselves. So, again, you come back to, you know, from should Liverpool have done better in this, in this kind of weak league? Yeah, they should have, but when you look at the mistakes that were made last summer, you wonder, you know, were they ever going to do it? Like, and that's, that's, that's the problem. That is the thing. And, you know, if you, if you have a hundred million hands to spend, you should probably, you should spend it better than Liverpool did last year, and then you would challenge for the top four. Well, the on-take characters always Josie and Riki and Cauli Pasco to, to, to fill your articles between the end of the season. I know I'm going to be relying on the two shelves. So, listen, thanks a lot for your time, Dion. That was wonderful indeed. Thanks very much. Okay, let's just following on from the conversation we were having there. We want to talk about, I suppose, potential targets and what kind of strategies we should be having behind that, what kind of thinking there should be behind it. That's not dwell too much in the whole idea of what's in situ in terms of committing all that, because people are basically making stuff up there. They don't, I'm sick of listening to it. We've got a few questions from people talking, talking about this topic about transfers. Dennis Moreno asked very frankly, are we going to sign a little bit shit again this summer, which is fair play, Dennis. Luke Mullen says, "What the fuck are we doing? We're giving Jules a new contract." I don't know why I'm not, that story's during the week because of my head blew up, so I don't know. Was it because of that story? It was related. Connor says, "Taking into account of transfer policy, will we ever have testimonial again?" Which is an interesting thing, and if so, who would it be? Lots of questions like that. And then, some other people mentioned the kind of players we've been linked with. Neil, for example, saying Trippie, or Bentech, or Milner. How excited are we getting about these? And what are your thoughts about how we should approach new players? I suppose leading on for what we're just discussing in terms of looking at squads and upgrades and squads and the whole, I might take on this as simple. If we boy someone, they should be better than the person that they're replacing. When I'm looking at it, I'm saying they should be better than the person that's inhabiting the jersey and the force team. If you're to name your strongness 11, they should be better than the person that's in there at the moment than say somebody that's sitting on the bench. So, for example, we're talking about the Neto's story kind of smaller than Paul Joyce. It's fairly decent when it comes to transfers in terms of having information whenever it comes out of the club and the sender. We're looking back into it because Neto's decided that, well, Neto's been in voice not to go to Juventus because he's going to sit in the bench behind Buffon. And I'm not going to say, okay, is Neto the upgrade that we need? Now, is it the upgrade on Brad Jones? Well, let's be honest about it. He's alive, so that's already up there. Right. So, that's a start. Neto, but for me, Neto is about the same level as Minuli. So, do we upgrade the goalkeeping situation by signing him? We do, but we don't upgrade the force team goalkeeper. So, you've basically got a very even level of goalkeepers at the club. So, talking about the power is not an improvement, though. We've got people competing. It's an improvement on what we have, but it's not an improvement on who's in the force team. Yeah, but priority was you buy a goalkeeper that's better than me. You're talking about maybe 15 million. No, you're not. Okay. Do you accept the price to step for the club? Yes. Well, okay. You're talking about money that could be invested in more important areas. Yes, I know. Maybe not 15 million, but 10 million. What did make cost? No, but again, that's because we weren't shopping in England. This comes back to like, we're talking about the overall bit, right? If you've decided that you want to upgrade your goalkeeper, but just to be guaranteed, like you talk to your manager, you'll believe he would come in and he would be better than me, right? But just to be guaranteed, you're talking about maybe replacing Joe Allen in the field. He could name a dozen players. Talk about replacing me and doing it on the cheap. It's not going to be easy. So I don't see a problem with bringing in a fella for free. Oh, look, Andy, but this is the argument I'm putting there. It's then it's where do you lie as a person in terms of your preferences for what you're going to do. So are we going to upgrade? So if we're not upgrading minimally, fine. Then you have to upgrade Brad Johnson. In that instance, it makes sense to sign somebody on a free like nettle. He could well be a force team goalkeeper by the end of the season. If you look at the squad rate, that possible exit rate, Johnson, Enrique, even Torrei, Lambert, Quattice, Lucas even, Burini, Aspus, Alberto. I mean, there's loads of them and you can bring in players on the cheap balladilly. You can bring in players on the cheap that are better than all of them. So then it leaves a hell of an anomaly, hopefully, to just splash out on a striker. But if you want to do what you want to do and start replacing from the top down, you're just going to be spreading out the money. I'm saying that we do need goals, except that. But I don't know if we need to sign seven players out on freeze when we could sign for absolute quality players and use our U-Team to supplement our squad. Because I don't see the massive benefits we've done when we've gone for a squad. So you're saying maybe there's probably 10 players who couldn't possibly exit. They're not all going to go. We were saying, "Bring up a fella from the 21s. He's going to do his job from now on and we're on our place, Joanna. We're going to replace Lava and we're going to replace." Well, what I'm saying to you is, we name so many players who aren't even contributing to the squad at the moment and don't feature. Like Enrique, may as well be sitting on a beat somewhere, which normally is to be fair. But we have had to play Johnson left back. Well, but that's ridiculous. At the same time, he's had little peeks and he's had parts of his game when he struggled. And I'm saying, if we can go out and upgrade, we need to go out and upgrade the force team player. That should be our gauge for when we're identifying the target and saying, "This is the player." But I think at these pointers, you can only do that with two of the first team or three of the first team before your money runs out. So that's, I think you're both kind of saying the same thing, actually, which is that there needs to be a balance between spending money on the priority areas, whatever they're determined to be. And let's be honest, they're all in the final third of the pitch, right? They're all goal scorers. I got a problem after that. If we bought three, we bought 330, but we wanted this. But if we bought 330 million pound attackers, goal scorers, everyone else we signed was a free transfer. It wouldn't bother me at all. I wouldn't care if we never signed anyone else. I can't be happy with it. I'd be happy to play. We'd actually get challenged as a football player. I totally believe that. I totally believe that. So what I'm hoping, the problem, we're all going to have to have a bit of patience with this, right? This made a fifth at the end of the day, right? And we're going to be linked with, like we were last summer, a thousand players, right? And the first question, we're going to sign the lordship. I don't think we signed the lordship last summer. I reject that as a premise. I think we made two mistakes. One was thinking the pallet alley was going to be a good enough striker to score us enough goals. And two, believe in that love run was a good enough defender to fix that defense. Those are the two errors. Apart from that, Mark Gavich, Moreno, Emrejan, Diva Garighi, Javier Mankio, they will all be better next season. And they will all kick on next season. So the strategy was going to have a great season for the let's go on a great next season. Well, okay, let's say he doesn't say, but the point is the profile of the player that we're looking at, and we'll seem to be looking at some of those players again. But what's going to get leaked, first of all, is a, the English players, because the paper's got nothing else to write about, because everything else is done in the league. And the players that were after are free transfers, because we're going to talk today in first, because we don't have to talk to the clubs. So that's why Milner Ings and even Neto, which I don't think we'll sign, but Milner Ings, I think are the two most likely free transfers. I think they're saying tonight that the Ings is looking like an almost a don't deal at this stage. And it has been for a while, let's be honest about it. Like this, this thing is like those, and I remember, if you remember the papers back in January, they're saying a deal and all is in place, right? It was just they were waiting till the end of the season, because Borley wanted to keep them. And like, there was even talk from what happened on the phone. I don't even think that's a question anymore. I think that happens, and we pay less than five million for them. Now, then the Milner team, I think we are, I'm seeing Milner getting pelted, right? Now, he wouldn't be, if I was looking at players, he wouldn't be someone who jumps out of me and says, yeah, I'd love to have Milner at my team. But however, I think he comes in, as I said, I think it was a better job than Joallen in terms of what he provides to the overall team. I'm not saying he's a better player necessarily. When Joallen is on top form, he's a very good problem with Joallen is, and it goes back to this conversation, I have a lot of times. He's too patchy, and he's too injury prone. And we can't afford it with the way that Rogers operates a squad, which is to play with not a massive amount of buddies in a squad over the course of the season, we can't afford a fellow who's in an ill, constantly true injury, because then he's moving players around all the time. Whereas I think Milner is a bit more robust, he doesn't pick up as many injuries as say Joallen does, and probably brings a bit more, he can play wingback, and he can also play as an attack amid failure. As long as the amount of them we have, we'd lower an injured, we'd sack a injured, we'd skirt a injured. Well, no, he was suspended, that's what I was going to do. That's the only one who is really ill. Everyone's picked up marks, you'd look at him, you'd allen ill, storage being the man, even by the telly, he was injured. So we've loads of players that are getting injured, and Brendan does like to pick a team, the same team, the final week when they performed, and it's been impossible for a mile season. And I think just on the Milner thing, people look fucking nuts. Joallen's Milner is, I think, certainly, based on this season's performance, better than any of the central midfielders we have. Who's played better than in the season? Continue. Well, I'd play continue and send him a favor, but that's not what he's playing, but he's the equal, at least, of Anderson. He's got the same goals going through, he's better technically, he's got the same engine, he's smarter, he's more of a leader than Henderson is, he's better than Alan. In every way, he's more physical than Alan, he's a winner, he's just coming from a two-time Premier League winning team, he's used to winning, he's got great temperament, he's never injured, great car, I mean, people are complaining about this, it's just mental. I think Milner on a free, it's going back, look, Milner on a free is a bit of an old-brainer, if we've got more money to spend, where we need to spend. Right? I think it's a bit of an old, going back to Andy's point, is he better and a point, and it confirms my point, is he better than someone that's inhabiting that jersey that he'll be wearing in the force team? And arguably, you can say he's a better right wing back than Glensin is, right? He's better in the type of midfield we have than, say, Joe Adam will be. Yeah, do you know what I mean? That's an upgrade, and this is my point, that's an upgrade, if you're going to keep, even if you keep Joe Adam and you have Milner there, your midfield is eminently stronger than what it was beforehand, because you've got, well, you've just better players, you're not carrying players, and I know, and this is not a pop of Gerard, but like, we've carried Gerard for the majority this season, but I don't know, it probably sounds tough coming off the back of him scoring his header to begin, but there's a lot of sway to that game where he just wasn't involved. Yeah. No, I agree, and I think that, I understand people's worry, because the names they're hearing, they hear Milner, the hearings, they hear NATO, and they're like, "Jesus Christ, we're going to spend any money." But we have been heavily linked with, say, DePy, whether we sign them or whether we don't, right? And now we're heavily linked with song, so we're clearly looking for that type of player, that type of top quality final third player. We've been heavily linked with Bentege. Bentege would not be my choice, but Bentege is an upgrade on every striker that we have at the club, apart from stage. If he was one of Andy's 30 million players, how would you feel? I don't understand the 30 million price title, or spending that money on someone at Bentege, for what you would be able to get in Europe. I don't understand that. That's such a lack of creativity in the mind of someone who's picking up transfers, and starting to leak, Atlanta was, like, you paid after talking to be able for six months, like, end of pain, 24-minute, and the same crack will happen with Bentege, because he's got to prove him to be able to score goals and leave. We do see him talking about, I think it'd be a bad sign in overall. It could be in the world, if it is that price. Yeah, I think, like, you'll score goals, but we kinda need a 20-galler, you know? I think he's a 20-galler. I think if he's fit, the problem with him is his injury record. I think he is as close to a guarantee of 15 goals at least. He's as close to a guarantee as you're gonna find, right, for a 15-galler season striker. I do really think we need someone that's gonna play week and week ill. Yeah, and that's my worry, his injury record. I don't know, surely he's as robust, but let me ask you this, if it was Rocaco, right, if we were saying, Rocaco was at Everton, Rocaco was at Aston Villa, and he was having the type of season Bentege who I have. I'd be, for some reason, I'd be more comfortable with Rocaco, because he looks more like... Both guards, but they're actually very similar, and actually, Bentege, I think, is a slightly better all-round player. He is quick. But again, it comes back to, right, if we... And it's the one bit that we haven't touched on. What is our... What is our sort of setup for next season? Because we should only be signing players who are going to... We should have two or three formations, and whichever one... And a preferred formation going back to the area. Now, we've seen to drop back into this 4-2-3... We're low closer to low. No, but I think we are. I think we are. We've played. We've played for nearly 20 months under the three years of Rogers' tenure in a 4-2-3-1. Rogers Don't think he's had the players to execute that the way. He's wanted to do everything except for... I think that's what he wants to play. I genuinely think that's what I'm on supply. And if that's... It's the modern formation of pretty much everyone plays. If that's the formation he wants to play, then whoever the fuck is buying the players, being him. And look, there's an argument now that... And it's a very conducive one. Remove the fucking doubt. Either put it, direct the footballer. Fuck this transfer committee a bit, right? But this is very fan-shout in terms of like, "Oh, we want to know who's accountable. We want to know who's responsible," right? But it also removes Rogers' thing that, you know, you know, this is an we all work hard and hold on. Give him full authority if you're saying that he has to do achieve something for the end of next season. So, there you go, right? All the transfers around you. So, if these all fail, there's no... There's no stone to hand order. There's no... There's no people to hide behind. Or you put somebody in a mansion, whoever... Whatever you put in this director football, Max Abraham, whoever it is, right? And you say, "No, Brendan." He's in charge. You tell him what's where, what positions you want. He'll go and get players. You play those players. If you can't live with that system, listen, that's fine. That's it. And without a bakery, I don't know what's going to happen. That is exactly what I would do if I was FSC this summer. I would say, "Okay, you didn't get Champions League, all right? So, change has to happen. We're going to retain you because actually, there are things that we really appreciate about what you do, the development of the young players, you know, you're... He gets the club. Rogers does to be fazed. Good communicator. He's a good manager. He's a yes man, which is important for them. Well, yes man, as in he buys into what they're trying to do on the whole. So, well, look, no, I'm serious. Like, he's not going to disrupt things. The last thing F is geneed out of club need is someone who's gone to... A rougher style. Shake things up. I'm sure nobody wants that. No one wants that. So, if Rogers goes out and makes it, I don't listen to him in interviews because I can't, even from day one, even when I can't, I can't listen to him. But he does a thing where he deflects and he never gets drawn to controversy. Like, he'll talk as much shit as possible and he'll just pass a foil to journalists and, you know, he doesn't... Well, even the way he does with that baller, atrocity to be fair to him was excellent. Yeah. So, to go back. So, if I was FSC, if you decide that you're going to give him another year, what you then say to him is, but because of the underperformance, because of the bullshit I'm reading about the transfer committee, because of this, because of that, there's some things we need to change. And I think the smartest thing they could do is to do exactly what fillers are taking it and saying, "Okay, you are going to say what positions you want. We are going to sign those players. You are going to have to play those players." Up until Christmas, I think, Emma Jan had played like five games. I think Sackler had played four games. I think Markovich had played three games or something like that. And there's no coincidence that the upturn in form came when he started to play those players, which up until Christmas he'd been reluctant to do so. And now he's fallen back into that trap a little bit again. So, if I was FSC and they're committed to keeping Rogers, what I think they'll do and what I hope they do is they will be very clear on what his role is and what the role of whatever that other structure looks like is. Okay, fair enough. I suppose we can go and leave. That's it for now. Look, with an acknowledgement that, look, the games at the moment and what are what's left, the importance of them is sort of now they're hearing are there. Let's take a look back at the most recent match and look ahead to Chelsea, but in a kind of more general way. Well, is it though? You know, if you know it, have a role in it. But it is, it is taking it up on it. I think just on it. But, you know, this is your point. You say, you know, in terms of the way you're phrasing it, but because, you know, it have done so poorly over the last three games, right? You don't believe any of this. Go on. I'm the eternal optimist. I think we can still win the FA Cup. But no, it's genuinely, right? Yeah. There's now a glimmer of hope before when there wasn't. Gone into the QPR game was gone. It was genuinely gone, right? Because of the way the results gone at the weekend, obviously there's a bit of a chance. So look at this, it isn't a case we go now, it'll be interesting because we go to the Chelsea game with something to play for, which every time we've had something to play for in the last few weeks, we've bottled it. So now, have we learned anything? Now, Chelsea have not the play for it. They've won the league, right? And they actually, this game for them doesn't impact on a relegation struggle or anything like that, right? So they've actually got nothing to play for in this match. Championship is wrapped up, right? They're not going to break records points told by winning all the rest of their games, running with that. They're going out to have a bit of a parity. But they're at Stanford Bridge. But this is what I'm saying, they're going to have a bit of a parity. We're going out with something to play for. And when we've gone out to play for something, we have froze terribly. So this is, this is now for me. A big test on what's being discussed by the manager in his press conferences about learning things and going, being ready for next season, and also continuing to give us an outside chance at top four. All you don't have to do is replicate error on in for the last three games of last season, and us to win our last three games and we'll sneak, we'll sneak for it. Okay, well, if that's where you want to drive this, can I suggest and that if the selection, and that's all I can really talk about, because like I said, I wasn't able to see on Saturday, if the selection continues to be, like it is, surely that shows that you've learned nothing. The same side is going to start, but it's going to start. So what's learned? Nothing. Well, nothing is learned. Chance of target. Nothing's learned. But, so there we go. But you don't know what's happening behind the scenes here. You don't know what that dressing was like. You don't know what I can, I can understand that I can understand playing players who are not going to be their next season. I don't understand playing Johnson. I don't understand playing Jerrod. I don't understand playing. Okay, Jerrod is slightly more complicated, but playing Ricky Lambert, you know, I just don't, but they're going to start because don't a bit more about Bala Telly. Like you pour himself out different things to Bala Telly, I don't think he did much. I'm not going to get it. I didn't think he played particularly poorly. I didn't think he played particularly brilliantly. Again, and I've seen Bala Telly put in the same shifts and get pelters over it. So for me, it was, he did his pass with a goal, fair play, but at the same time, I've seen loads of things where he's basically just, he's just irrelevant in the game. Anything he does that Bala Telly doesn't do, which, to be fair, is that he leads the line. He stays up front. He doesn't come deep to connect the ball. But when he does come deep, he can't get back up top. But that's what he doesn't do. It just stays up there. There was a lot of times, and look, he does stretch the pitch a little bit to give him that. But look, I don't even want to take the piss out of him because, as I said, I thought he did okay, uncertainty. I don't think he did particularly brilliantly, but I thought he did okay. He went out, he tried to socks off, and I'm not going to criticize a guy for going out and trying his best and for getting assessed for the goal, because I got famous for him. That's okay. Good day at the office in comparison to some of the games that he's played for us. But again, I think the best bits of the game against QPR is what we need to take into the Chelsea game. Go on, your bit. We had staring, we continue, and we had Lelana, right? Now, they weren't leading the line, but they were behind Lambert, and it was their movement that any time we created a chance against QPR, and it was all that intricate, you know, the ones that opened it up. So even if they had, even with QPR, when they had the mass defense under the edge of the box, we were using small little passes to cool in and get through them and get shots wide. But the thing is, right, Chelsea, and I don't mean this to sound like a background in the compliment, but they are a significantly better version of West Brom, right? There is no way we're scoring against Chelsea if we play that tight. Unless Coutinho bounds running for 40 yards. No, but there's no way we're scoring against it. The whole thing with Chelsea winning the league changes the complexion. It's all together. So, psychologically, they won't care about this game as much as we should. Like, we've seen Liverpool go out on the FA Cup, 74, and not look like they gave a shit. But if there's any sense of belief in that dressing room, psychologically, we'll have an edge. Because they're in party mode, their season is finished. Why would the players really, really be up for it to the point that they've not played for now? Because they're at home, they're going to get the Premier League trophy on the day, right? They are Mourinho fucking hate. Love is beat in Liverpool. There is no way they lay down for us. They won't lay down, but it's just... I don't think they leave a chance. It's an opera. It's okay. If they didn't win the league, I'd be real that they were completely. Yeah. If we can be Chelsea, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I think there is. There is a gamer. Yeah. What you're saying is a very good point. We should have... We should have been more... We should have been more deserved than they do. That's the point that you make. It's a good point. But the desire when you play in... When you're playing, John... The spine of a team that has no pace or no... They can have all the desire in the world. I never doubt Gera's desire to run his legs off. The problem is that he can't do it. It's like you're hamstrung in the team, you know? I actually would play Coutinho, Surin and Lana as a fun three. Yeah. That's right. Like against City. Yeah. That's exactly what I do. Well, you know, I'd actually... From what I've seen from the QPR game, seeing the way Jared has occupied the space because he can't get up and down the pitch anymore. And the way he was basically just filling in towards centre-back. When teams... You know, he wasn't getting close to the midfield, and Chan was then coming in from right back and becoming an auxiliary centre midfielder, right? I wouldn't start writing this. And that's not because, you know, I don't think he offers much to the team at the moment. But mainly because I think Chan is going to be playing in that position a lot next season. And I think that we will... He's already played centre-back. So I think he naturally... I think... I think... Naturally, he's much more naturally set up to play in that type of a day where if he drops in between the two centre-backs, he's able to play the game as a centre-back because he's been playing there a lot for this season. But he also wants to step into midfield. He wants to become a midfielder. He wants to start things off. You see him. He takes the ball up. He looks up on his pass. I kind of get mad at the point. He's never seen a free-roll, right-back. Right, yeah. Yeah. And it is possible that Johnson-Mills are with the right-back. Moreno comes back into the team. That leaves either Chan out of the team or he moves him into midfield. I wouldn't start Johnson-Mills, you know. But I prefer to see him. I play down the right flank. Right back? Well, no. In that situation, in that system, when Gerard drops in, we're playing with Trey at the back. Yeah, I think Johnson-Mills, we talk about the middle change, big changes. He's going to pass into you, really. I wouldn't play Gerard either, but for a different reason, right, which is a little bit of... I'm not sure. It depends where his head is at, but Chelsea fans are going to give him 90 minutes of absolute dogs a bit. Like, seriously, they are over the slip last season. I'd bring him on as a sub with 30 minutes to go. Hopefully, he was still in the game chasing the game. I think he will be fucking brilliant for us if he came on for the last 30 minutes. That's how I do it. But again, the other thing that they're doing to Gerard of Honor, I think I've seen some ridiculous situations, suggestions that we shouldn't do it and stuff. That's wrong with people. I don't think they'll have a pillow for answer. I think they've just got their head up their hole, that they don't. I think we should have to fucking polish the trophy, and they should have to fucking do it when he looks at it. But this one is saying, I think for those players in our team, who were there last season, who got so close to winning the league title, to have to then stand and give a guard of honor to the team that basically they lost the league to last year, that should be the greatest learning. It's a great sort of humility that they need to learn that if you want to be a winner, you don't want to be in this position again next year. You do not want to be clapping on the team. You want to be clapped on. Isn't that what Fergus had said in the 99 Champions League final, at half time they were losing to Bayern Munich, and he said, see that trophy out there? Imagine not being able to pick it up at the end of the game. Imagine when that's going to be like, apparently that's what he said. But I completely agree. We should be going, last, this is what fucking champions looks like. Look at the way they play. Look at how they play for each other. Look at how they just win when they need to win. Look at how they win the big games. This is what we are going to be. This is what we want to be. If you don't think you can be at that level, this is the wrong club for you. That's everyone. Everyone at the club should have that. It's not a bad one going in there, and the player has seen that this is what a party is. This is what a stadium looks like when you've won the league. Plastic flags. A player with Liverpool fans can famously do. Like we did last season, the coach is coming in and all that. It isn't a bad situation for them to be in. Herms getting up for the game and thinking about it and just getting it right. I hope we're up for it. I want the season over, but just finish it on high. Beaten Chelsea would be, I think, it's a game we've got to win to give us any sort of chance. They're the best team in the country. We've never won, never beaten Mourinho and Rogers. It's like, now is the time to do it. We ran them close in the league up final. I'm nervous about the lineup. I think that he'll play the same side. Okay. Well, look, I suppose some sort of a nod to that was a big amorphous review or preview. Oh, we were happy to keep you out again. I know, I know, but again, what are we going to say about the KPI game? We made loads of good, really a good attack on threats. We had, we missed three clear, cut goals, scored opportunities, right? And then we did absolutely fucking incredibly daftings at the back against one of the worst teams that I've ever seen play. I talked to Newcastle or bad, QPR, look like a bunch of 40 year olds. I'm a stag priority to mid-drag before I ever saw it. Well, apart from the set pieces, though, I didn't think we were that bad defensively. I think, you know, apart from... Well, like 90 seconds gone. On a corner. A certain person loses, the fella that is marking, right? Who then doesn't even touch the ball and goes in like, you know what I mean? You're just looking like, the game is full. It took us 50 minutes to start that game. I got very angry about that much, very easily. The sport is winning. The things that we threw right, the Gerard penalty, you know, that's fair play to him. He came back and shelled balls and got the header. Fair play. You know, at least... Why is Gerard never ever in our penalty box for Corners? He's probably the best header at the club here. He probably is. How the fuck is he doing? The one thing I learned from the QPR game, and it's only one thing I learned from it, right? If you have Emory Chan attacking that forced ball, because he started to deal with on corners and on the side that he normally tings, and also from free kicks, he seemed to be wrong around and attacking the ball as it comes in, he was very good at it. Do you remember Andy Harold did it for a while? Where he was just in defensive corners? Yeah, yeah, he cleared a lot. And he cleared a lot, and I was saying, right, that's tactic there. He used that all the time. That's what he knows. He's not like the other lads who just go randomly towards and run towards the ball. He's got a judgment to build his headers, so that was the one thing I learned. There's one good thing. That'll do. Love runs crap from up a lot now on the penalty in the six-yard box. I'm sure you should have scored four foul teams. Getting onto the end of Em. I mean, he put one, he got a fucking e-guckle power on the header you can't say. When you're in that position, you just have to direct the ball towards the goal, like you're not going to be picking out a spot like just what it's all you can do. It's good as an aheader, really, and it's good running his eyes out, but I don't think he's out one on target or a season. Yeah, and it's amazing. Like last year, how many set pieces we scored from? The six-yard in the box cars and the trouble getting the penalty. Getting the iron pole like a proper center for those going down. I think a proper center for no predictions. Yeah, I was just going to say, we're up for it now. That'll probably do. Up for the cup. That'll do. How do you say it? So, 70 points club. I mean, I'm just trying to be so positive here. Start at the old LFC Champions League train on Twitter and I've got to build 54 members up. So, it's not bad. Not to feel probably three or four carriages on the train. So, we're hoping this weekend we can just, like, we're going to need more trains, put that one in. Everyone thinks that's how we can show you to be listening there to tomorrow, whenever it's up, thinking it's enough. I'll go up, show you. Then I'll be on board. Let me see if Little Pill be Chelsea. Everyone be on board again. If you know your drop points, if you know your drop points against Palace, and we'd be Chelsea, it's not. Yeah, I mean, we're probably now, by three, you know it gave us enough lifelines now. We probably know, at the end of next weekend, we're going to be on a new Saturday. That train is going to arrive in the station. I love these. I love that. I love that. Yeah, cars as possible. Yeah, I love that. But I'm going to go all the way there. I'm going to go all the way there. I'm going to go all the way. I'm going to go all the way there. Daisha and Lovren's going to go all the way there. Dave, prediction. Yeah, I could lean towards Andy's way, I think. But my gut feel is I don't see how we score. I don't see how we score against them. They're the best offense in the league. We couldn't get past West Brom with, you know, who are basically going to do a shoot a version of what Chelsea do. I think we're going to draw Nail Nail. Nail Nail? Yeah, and that would effectively end everything for you. Yeah, I mean, I think it's ended anyway, but yeah. Okay, so one more point then. To be clear, how ended it for me? Yeah, I died that night. So if you look at your night is running, you're probably looking at best the win-lills in the draw. Yeah. So that means we need to run out of the game. So you can't afford to draw. Yeah, this is a great crack. I'm going. Andy, you've convinced me, man, that Lovren's going to go all the way there. Trev on board, you too. Chelsea League family hashtag. Chelsea League, have a seat there. Go ahead, Phil, what do you think? I think this is... Chelsea are out for a party. I think if Merino and his head would think, "Well, if I lose this game, I don't really care, it doesn't matter." Yeah. And he's that cynical. He'd probably tell him, "We don't have a bit of cracklads. We'll do loads of attack and stuff." Leave gaps, expose Terry to stirling or something like that, right? And like, remember when they won the FA Cup and we played them without like 10 minutes later? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we won four, though. And we won 100 Nail, yeah. And we just... We just... We just... We just... We just... Backed our Terry all over the park that night. It was fun on his arse and everything. He's on the gaggle for the whole lot, like, right? So... Yeah. So I think we win 3-2 and Gerard Scorsman will just knob in the last minute. And then Moon's the fucking... The shadow and the whatever it is in the fucking... Chelsea. As he walks out of the pitch, up yours, fingers, the works. There's a slip down the tunnel. There's a slip down the tunnel. That one. Slips it in. I am Lou Chware. You are listening to Tripper's chat. Go. Okay, let's engage with what the listeners want to talk about. The first one is from... He fell out here. He can't seem to make up between his Twitter handles. You've got @demo knows players and @demo cabs. And what he wants to know is the poxy plane banner. Are we arse about it at all? Or what's your opinion on what was your take on the plane banner? I think whoever said it will slip up with the last bit, saying rough in because it didn't really represent anything real. Pretty niche. You know, it just started to went, "Ah, you're fucking idiots." How'd they say you're laughing? Yeah, you're just real. How'd they been? Roger is out. There's no people shouting from the rooftops about that, but putting the last bit in, I can't take it seriously. Like, I don't... I think it can only have been DNA advanced. So the only group of people are stupid enough to put a plane over a stall again. Or a message. You know. We're not allowed to go home like... That's for real. Yeah, they did. Yeah, come home and I'm like, "So, look, the flying planes are all over the shop." Now we're flying up from a black pole or something up to our fields. It's just so stupid. So you're going with that narrative, that was definitely... You can't take it seriously as a thing. Or else it's just the other possibility. It's just, as they say, all behavior. It's just an element of this modern fan who doesn't really understand anything that's going on. And just says, "This is the ideal thing to do." So it could be a bunch of rich fucking... 7, 8, 18-year-olds who think this is good for us. This is the most properly embarrassing thing ever, isn't it? Like, surely, it's shockingly embarrassing. I didn't know what way to go. I don't know. I mean, when I was at the game, I just said, "What did you make of the plane?" He said, "I didn't even say it." What was their plan? So, okay. I think that, regardless of what you think of the manager, he deserves more respect than stupid stunts like that to be pulled. You know, I think there'll be enough analysis. There has been enough analysis and enough criticism of him and his performance this year, without someone feeling like they need to do some sort of pandemic solution to it. Do you know what I mean? I mean, I do agree. I think the play... You know, it's kind of like if you're a slow reader, you'd go, "Roger's out, okay, what, raffering?" No, come on. I mean, so I think if it just said, "Roger's out," I do think it would have caused more of a debate, you know, regardless of whether people agree to that or not. I think it's the type of thing that, like, American sports newspapers might pick up or, you know, things like that. But the fact that they then suggested his replacement, too, is the most unsuitable person to come and do it. It's just a bit mad, really. And also, like, we're not at a stage where there's a balance going up on the ground, where people are at balls, they'll build the... We're at Wanton Roger's situation. It is kind of an undercurrent. It always has been, even when things are going well, like, you know, you would have took a loss last season and then they'd come out with a closet again. But if you want to make a statement, any one individual can fly a plane on. Exactly. So I'm sure Roger's built and said, "Should that just be one person's opinion?" I think that's one you see. And people are still singing for Roger's. Like, you know, it's still happening. The Roger's thing is a much more... It reminds me a little bit of Kenny, in that it's actually much more nuanced than I want him in who I want him out. For most people, like... For most people, it's like, "I see some good, I see some bad, and you kind of in the grave." You know, for some people, it's like, "Give him another season. You know, maybe another season without Gerard, without Johnson, without these guys." You know, maybe that... Maybe some support in the background, you know, from the structure helps him out. And then there's other people where it's gone too far. I know, you know, first one of those guys, you know, where actually it's gone too far and we should be looking to upgrade and I can understand that thing. But this is a mutiny. This isn't Hodgson. This isn't an entire ground going, this guy needs to go. I think for the vast majority of Liverpool fans, if he got another season, you know, provided we started OK. I think most people would be willing to give him another goal. Did he give you a giggle? Well, of course he gave me a giggle. Yeah. I think it was ridiculous. Yeah. Like, do we're flying fucking planes? Everyone, Hodgson was fucking managing. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it's in Gillette or that. Do you know what I mean? Like, they should have been attaching Hodgson to the back of the plane to drag him out of the plane. Yeah. I mean, they should have been... Apparently, it was something, you know, when I was ladders to come down and take him, and I had a lift to know, like, that's just from college. Listen, it's idiocy. As much as the aeroplane crowd would come out and said, "No, it was Liverpool fans and their season ticket holders that paid for this, right?" I don't know. It could be as much as done for the aeroplane crew, for flying banners, because that's what they do. Like, it's caused them nothing to fly the plane up and down, and look at all the air miles that they got over. But now, look, look. Seriously, look at the Twitter accounts, the bosons, people trying to find out who it was, and what were the Liverpool fans. They generated a shit out of publicity for themselves. Yeah. They should fly by themselves round the ground. The Russians, though, brigade, aren't really doing themselves any favors. It's all, they're all just getting very hot and bottled about things. Like, it's all reactive, irrational stuff. Like, they're not able to say, "Right, get rid of Rogers, and we appoint Baba, and have a plan in place. It's just get rid of Rogers." Yeah, yeah, it's just, "I hate him." You know, so it's not really, it's like, if you had one of them responsible for rolling the club, we'd be in serious shit. It goes back to, like, as Dave said, I'd be one in favor of placing them, right? But at the same time, my whole thing has always been, there has to be a plan around it. Like, there's no point in just getting rid of them for a second. And I've already said that I expect them to be there next season. So I'm not there expecting to see him gone now. You won't fly in the plane. Yeah. Look, it's hard because you won't fly in the plane. No, we get the ropes down to get him ill. There's always an upgrade. Surely, didn't the Chelsea fans love him or anyone, but they accepted that when he went, come out when they went, they needed to make a change. Yeah. They needed to start dominating Europe. And, like, you look at Ferguson's domination, when you're not winning leagues, and they were piss poor in Europe, they weren't winning enough European troops for such a long domination. There was an upgrade there. There is always an upgrade. So as much as I think maybe give Rodgers another season, if Clap sells himself to the European, come saying, "I want this job," well, then you have to go, really fair enough. Well, thank you, really. Next one is from a call bot spaceman. A call bot spaceman wants to know, what did we think of Nigel Pearson? Bit of a carcass knee. Do you know what, though, right? I'm going to take up for him a little bit. I don't. No, I am. There is, I am, right? Because I tell you something, do you know all the people who are pissed off, they're fucking journalists, right? So fuck him. Fuck did the journalist have said that he called him an ostrich? Where is that fucking news? That's what the point. It's not taking the journalist's point. It's looking at him being such a playground bully twank. Hang on. Can I say something? Can I say something, right? Yeah. For 20 odd years, those journalists took punches in the face off Alex Ferguson. Yes, they did. Never ought to give up, right? I never attacked them. Oh, yeah. That's a manager. That's a manager. That's a manager. That's a manager. A manager treating them with the same disdain who's not Alex Ferguson. And they are getting the fucking right. That's not a defensive one. That's not a fucking marina. That's not a marina. A marina is more of a belligerent than Nigel Pearson. Look at the fucking Van Hal. No. They're not saying, they're saying fuck Arthur. Because the only difference is Pearson manages Lester. If Pearson was managing Manchester, you know what, they'd be saying fuck Arthur. Yeah. Don't forget, marina are, like, poked villain over in the eye. He's an absolute prick. And his press conference is much worse, much more belligerent. He sat there for three months ago and wouldn't answer a question. Sat in silence for, like, 40 minutes. Nobody's writing character assassinations and marina. I'm sure Nigel Pearson is a prick. Don't get me wrong. But everyone has a right to be a prick. I'm a prick. Oh, I'm afraid of a legend taking it. I hate to see when Rogers is sitting in a press conference as an equal to all them fell asleep. A journalist is not near what Rogers is. You have to be able to control them and put them in the place every so often. Rogers has never really put them in the place such on the side of you. Where have you been for the last three months? Like, have you had your head in the sand? You know what I mean? But I think you're an ostrich. That's what I'm saying. But look at here. That's what Pearson's thing, like, if you wanted to have a little attack on the media, don't say you're either silly or you're... He's making ice. Stupid. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's like, Jesus Christ, don't give two options, which are the same thing. Yeah. You know, he... That's your only criticism. He's so badly done. If you want a more grammar, if you want a rest of them. But like, what are the two options there? They're being silly as if you sit there being stupid and ignorant. Or else you're on the one. Yeah. You're... They're purposely here to get a raise on me or just pure plain stupid, which I put the thing back in your mouth. See what he says. Sit right. Well, don't as well, I'm just stupid, okay? But instead, he made... He made... He looked like the film, you know. His life. Yeah. They write what they want anyway. So, like... What's his name? They're going to call him everything anyway. Well, it was more... The Nigel... Get on the Nigel Pearson bus. Yeah, come on. There was more... Call him inches about him giving out to a journalist than when... Did he stand on the fella's head or something earlier in the season? He wrestled my character down to the ground. Yeah, that was... Do you know what I mean? That's like there was more. Oh, you wouldn't let him up, really? There were more and more about him. But can it call him a fella and ostrich? Then stand on a blow. Just one thing. Like giving him a figure four leg. One final thing on him. Until he tapped him. They just won five... Five out of the last six games or less, right? Then they could survive the season, right? If Marina was doing this, everyone would be saying... Marina's a genius. He chose all the attention on himself. His players are under no pressure, because everyone hates him, right? Well, maybe Nigel Pearson is just as fucking smart as Marina has gone. They're all going to do that. They're going to pick a fight with everyone. And then they'll write about me, and you guys relax. You're just going to play your football. And we'll win. They won five out of six games. He could call everyone anything. That might be a stretch, but I'm going to go with it. I did not see this going this way, but fair places. Connor's next question for... Hey, you're not going to fucking tell him. What? I'm not going to tell Andre Agassi's story. You'll be bored. The next question's from Connor. Now, it's very specific, so I'm going to open it up a little bit. He says, "Would you stab out your own eyes if it meant Liverpool and would become a great team again and win the league?" Okay. What would you do? No, what kind of team would you call that? What fucking...? What the fuck, Jack? What would you inflict upon yourself? What would you be willing to accept? And terms of some sort of physical affliction for Liverpool to win the league? And I can't just put up my eyebrows. Yeah. Because you can see... I can't see your eyebrows anyway. It's not. It's can't be that bad. That's how it works. I don't know. Obviously you're a go-go for the eyebrows. Obviously the eyebrows was that. That's the number one route I just... to take it away here. Like, you know? I don't know. I don't have a particularly high pain threshold. I'm not sure there's much I'd be willing to do. I'm going to copy a little finger. No. No? To make... Well, I didn't... To make him what? A great team. What does that mean? Yeah, let's say we're a little... What would you do for a league win? For a league win? Yeah, would you lose a nipple? You can exist without your nipples, can't you? Of course you can exist without your nipples. Would you err... We're all back. We're all back. We're all back, we're all back. Just not sure a mutilation is a price I would need to deal. A what? A brand? Branding. Like a cow. Yeah, they... They heat things up and stand up to their skin. Where? Where? What? Where? Where would you have to be branded when you're asked? Not in your forehead or not. Sorry, I just asked. I take a brand in a friend. You blew a hook on a league. Will it be #annacify? It would say... That would be #choochoo. That would just help rough it in. Roger, don't laugh on a deal. It's the little train they will not be... Wait, this boy... But can I just say it? If Kona would be willing to stab his own eyes out for Liverpool, he's going to see a fucking doctor. Like, you know? Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. Next one's from Nick. Nick wonders what... He's got a list of three things. Which is the most frustrating. A pen that's running out of ink. And not in your sheer lace. Or the word outstanding. I suppose in the current context. Definitely the pen. A pen running out? Yeah. Yeah, what is that? Just easily. Because you start scribbling real fast to get around. It doesn't make a difference. It just rips the page. The tablet as well, like that's going to do with the pen. But wait, you lick the pen? Yeah, you lick the tablet. Like I want that. But what does that always happen when... You have to take down something, originally. It's never like... I just have to write a list here. The worst thing is when it's like... You know, it's a big sea trail boring. And you can see there's fucking loads of ink and stuff. That's actually happening in there. It's just stuck, isn't it? You need to lick it. Maybe you need to give it a lick. Might get a meal. No. Yeah. Give it a lick. It'd be fine. Well, if you put it in the microwave, you're able to get a gun. Because it's probably just a bit of a drawing. There's also a bit in there. But it's made like... Don't put it in the microwave. Put it in the oven. Put it in the oven. Put it in the oven. Put it in the oven for a couple of seconds. Put it in the oven. Do you ever put metal into the microwave just for a laugh? Yeah, I did. No, no. If you put it in... Not for a laugh, I did it by accident. I'm actually fond of red paint on my face. It's actually grand. It gets like electric shocks, like lightning. Yeah. It's deadly. Oh, it's glass. Yeah. And then it shatters. People are exaggerating. Like a bit of metal in the microwave, it's grand. Like it just... It sparks. Are you speaking for experience? Yes. It's happening. It's happening. Everyone, you know what I'm playing to get? That you can't put in the microwave. Of course, it's got... Metal in it. I'm playing it. It's got an air, like... There's a lot of... Put it in the tanger, air design around it. Oh, yeah. It metal. Like that shit sort of happened to me like that. I put it in your fork and a toaster. You can put a fork in this toaster. No problem. Just don't stick it onto the elements. Who's stupid of... You stick it into the bread and you pull the bread. Yeah, because that's a really sensitive thing to it. Yeah, you need to start exaggerating about how it's all that. It's really short. Well, I think it's deadly when you see the metal in the microwave. Yeah. You're gonna go home and do it. I know it's working out. And next one's another hypothetical. This is from Mark Shanley. Mark wants to know, "Would you rather live a thousand years as a healthy 25-year-old? Or have a normal lifespan and be able to travel through time?" That's a really big question. If you're going to, it's a great question. But the first time I have six months, it's a good question. Mark, first book steamer. There you go, Mark. I'd be... Can you only choose my lifespan? But travel in time, because you'll be able to travel to the future and discover secret to living forever. Oh, so you're living now? I think, yeah. I think it's the 24-H 24. That was you with my fix that age a little bit. You can't, Mark. You're only the choice. No, well, okay. Fair enough, Mark. How old do you want to be? What's your ideal age, Andy? What do you want to be for a thousand years? I think 16 is a whopper-edge. Are you fucking me? You can get away with more than that. Nah. I feel like more age, man. But you're grown from now, Bill. So a thousand years, you won't be able to drink? For a thousand years. I didn't drink when you were 16. Well, not legally, Andy. Come on, now. Okay, so you're 16, but you can't... You can't be broke here. Who's the 16-year-old? Okay. So you're a bea did 16-year-old? For a thousand years. What if in 200 years it's illegal to have a bea to something like that? I don't know. I don't know. 24, I've just, yeah. You keep telling me your teenagers. You must have seen the difference with that. The reason the other was that for time travel. I'm not about thinking, if you only knew what you know now. But that's where time travel works. Because if you travel back in time, you could be rich. Because you can bet on sport. You know, bet on sport in events with stock markets from the past. You'd be a millionaire. Whereas if you live for a thousand years, there's a 16-year-old, you don't learn anything. You're just the same person for a thousand years. You won't be able to watch. I have spots, yeah. I think I do the time travel number. Yeah, exactly. Because you'd be able to travel forward in time and see what happens in your own life, right? And then you can change stuff now and see what changes. So you can get yourself to live loads of different lives. No, that goes against the theory of relativity now. No, and it's too. Time is linear. Time is linear. How do you know? You have nobody fucking knows it. Einstein said it's one of the few things that I did say. It's going to be a thousand years, the 24-year-old. That's fucking magic. But the thing about it, this doesn't... They don't believe that when I say day, you know, they always say day when you come back. They're not them. They were saying that this documentary, they're on this channel, and they're on it that way. [LAUGHTER] But it's a teary out there that divorced a thousand-year-old and a person is alive at the moment. Come on, I got off the extrapolate list. Well, it's just like day scientists. Yeah, folks. They're not far away from eradicating certain diseases that will allow people, you know, on the end of the course. Oh, you mean someone who is alive now could live to be a thousand? Yeah. Not that there is someone alive now who is a thousand. Nah, okay. The first person to live for a thousand years has been born. It has been born. Yeah, here's that. That's mental. Now, if you choose to be a 24-year-old and live for a thousand years. Yeah. As soon as you start from now. Yeah. So you will be 3,015. Will be the end of you. So it's capped. Like, this is it. You start now. Yeah. You've got a five-year-old. 3,015. You can pop in your clogs. You won't get out of a 25-year-old. However, you might be. Why? Because if we get to the singularity... Oh, for fuck's sake. And you're able to upload your conscious to stay. I mean, I should have pointed it even out. [LAUGHTER] And you're able to upload your conscious. Consciousness. Then you'll become a mortal. Seriously, I suppose there is that option. But do you want to live forever? No, seriously. Drive? Seriously, seriously. Seriously, seriously, seriously. But then you can already see it. But then, then. All right. What if we got to tell you about 24-year-old, just go on and eat cheese for a thousand years? [LAUGHTER] We're finished with a mention for Astro Park, who are hosts here. You should log on to Astro Park.ie and have a look at the facilities available there. And we want to mention an event, which is the Brendan Deveni charity match on Gala Dinner, which will feature the Mullingar All Stars against the Brendan Deveni All Stars. It's going to be all on Sunday, May the 31st. It'll be all in Mullingar Athletic Games 10. Match tickets are out of 10 euros. Children are three euros. And you can buy those tickets from the Gravel Arms reception by ringing 044-934-8563. The event is going to feature such stars as Steve Staunton, Paul McGrath, Alan Kennedy. So obviously, well worth your attention. We want to also mention the Enfield Index PUD channel, where you can find a whole lot of glorious content, including our own nonsense. So get on to @AIP channel on Twitter. And the final plug then is for the We Are Liverpool funding, which is out now, available from weareliverpulfounding.com, home games from outside the Grand. It's an excellent publication, and it is incredibly good value, considering what a tremendous amount of good stuff is in there for £1.50. Your day trippers tonight were Andy Young, Dave Thomas, Phil Casey, and myself, Trevor Downey. Can I just say as well, the opportunity to do them things, I want to know. He's getting married. He probably won't get a chance to do it until all his mates are 40 again. I mean, you're 40 like going on the big gang over there. He's just going to laugh at it. He's going to shit already. You are going over there, say, a big group of 20, you know, 28 or Deerells, like, you know, you just... Well, thanks for rooting that vega for me, my mates. You're fucking bald back. You said, just like, you said, you... Right, you know, for six weeks? After this next shift, I'm in Friday day, starting, you know, eating them all for six weeks now. All of these? Just, absolutely, a few days ahead of him. LAUGHTER You guys are due to me and all of them. So, are you going to strike us on the beat? Nah. It would have was us. The first thing most of the people on YouTube haven't missed it all, because I forgot to put the press to stare broadcast button after the link went down. So, they've only been on for five minutes or so. LAUGHTER Professional, right? Oh, wow. You've missed some great content, so that's all I've got to say. Do you remember when Dave got naked? LAUGHTER Yeah, right there. In the YouTube's, he don't need dressing for it. I hope he told me I was like this. 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This weeks trippers see the lads continue the discussion begun on periscope and YouTube (available on the LFCDaytrippers YouTube channel) with special guest @dionfanning. We get his view on the LFC state of affairs after his article at the weekend. The lads talk about their hopes for the transfer strategy in the summer, the upcoming game v Chelsea and our distant champions league hopes. Trippers chats round it out with planes, trains and Pearson time travel. Standard
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