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Welcome to the slew breeze environment of the Tripper Bunker for the difficult second album of day tripper experiments with video. This will be potentially fraught, so bear with us. I'm Trev Dany and joining me in our cutting-edge studio are on the young Dave Thomas and Phil Casey. There's really only one topic which is the start, so once again, this letter has been told to be on standby because we're going to address the unavoidable topic of Brendan Rogers' continued tenure. Apologies not to endure extreme close-up. They said they could only see our heads, so it's like... That's quite alright. That's more than adequate for anyone. So the Miracats get to see Trev and actually... I think they've all seen plenty, thanks. Okay, right, let's go get this debate. Trev is really bomb. Trev is all heads. Thank you so much for the feedback. This is exactly what we wanted, isn't it? I've never seen you more pleased, right? He's like a fucking child, look at how happy he is. Do you want to talk about Brendan over here? We could quite easily talk about the shininess in my head if you want. Because I just shaved it, it's good. There's a bit of a tan on it, were you sitting out in my garden? No, no, it's just natural. - Sorry, it's a jobless. - No, it's just a natural thing. No, it's a natural thing. Okay, right. Would you like to talk about Brendan and the thing? If we can address it, we can address it. Look, look, the thing is, before even the game yesterday, the news of Jürgen Klopp's departure from Dortmund had many people talking anyway. So, after the mess then, I could see only topic in town now. So, we will get to the whole Klopp thing. But first of all, do you think, is it fair to lay the blame for that embarrassment yesterday? Completely and utterly a Brendan's door. Given the incompetence of an awful lot of those guys that he entrusted to do, the job that he said the way to do. So, responses to that first. Well, not completely and utterly. I mean, that's a pretty definitive statement that I think that, you know, there's 11 players on the pitch. The manager sets them out, you know, play in a certain way, do certain things. There was enough in there that I thought he got wrong. - Okay. - You know, I thought the, you know, there's only so many times you could talk about a lack of intensity and not starting before you say, "Well, that's got to be your job, Brendan. It's got to be tactical, right?" You know, I think that he's panicky making changes in the game. And, you know, what I laugh about actually is if you follow the game on Twitter, you know, after like five minutes, everyone's going, fucking change the formation, bring a sub on, you know, do this to that. But actually, the manager's job is to resist that a little bit and say, "No, you know, actually the tactics and the formation I've put out. I've got to give that a chance to work and I make minor adjustments." So, you know, pushing Emery Jam to right back. It's just mental when he's never successfully played there. And things like the substitutions. I mean, I said before we started, I could do a whole hour on substitutions. You know, how Markovich gets subbed ahead of any of the three central midfielders is just baffling to me. Bring in Lambert on. Yeah. I mean, what is it? Well, someone explained to me Lambert's job there. Three minutes left in the game, we're chasing a goal, right? We bring on... He's got a goal in him. Fuckin' a statue. I mean, just explain that logically. Okay, David, look, what you seem to be doing is having said, "Look, let's not refer to the firmliness door. You seem to be reversing up the dome truck to restore." How am I written, Santa? I think yesterday... You focused on this decision-making process. I think yesterday was a lot of the bad stuff about Brendan about yesterday. Yeah. So, a lot of the things that his critics used to attack him came out yesterday. The things he said before the match, you know, about as being a bigger club than Manchester City tends to say these things right before he puts his foot in a big pile of horse shit. So, I think a lot of the things that people complain about were Brendan, you know, really came out yesterday. And I think if you extrapolate that across what has been a really difficult season, it gives his critics a lot of ammunition to have a goal in. But I'm not necessarily one of his critics, but yesterday there was a lot to have a goal out. Phil, you have been a vocal critic of said manager from minute one. Yes, you're on Telly, Phil. That's great, isn't it? On Telly, wave to your mark. So, tell me your initial response, the idea of basically is that... Is everything been proven for you, but yesterday? No, everything was proven for me a long time ago. Okay, so you were always right, is what you said? No, no, no, I wasn't always right. I just, like, I last faith in the Rogers Project way back, like around November. And you asked me back then, if I had a chance to change in my Christmas, would I change him? And I said, "Yes, I would." And it was because I don't see any progression in this team. I just don't see it. I don't see, and I can accept that we lost a world-class player and it's hard to replace a world-class player, but I don't see him learning lessons. And for me, it's about learning lessons. I can accept that things can't work. I can accept it in difficult seasons. I can accept that things don't work outright. I can accept that, you know, that in certain situations, mistakes happen. That players don't play to the level, whatever it is. But you see something there. There's always a kernel of something that says to you, "Yes, this is the right direction we need to be going in." For me, it's too much, trous much shit at the wall and see how much sticks when it comes to Brandon. You know, the formations, all that type of stuff, I just, it's just not for me. And I said to you, I said, "Back in January, you asked me when we were on the run, half way through February, half way through February, was my opinion changed about this whole thing?" And you're asking me here, and I said to you now, I feel that we should be changing them at the end of the season. Because I think we're going to be back here in 12 months' time having the exact same conversation if we don't change them. I don't think we'll earn any lessons. We'll still make the same mistakes, because we've made the same mistakes now season after season. We can't, we don't win big, the really big games. And I'm not talking about the, you know, the television matches. I'm talking about the games where something matters. Be it the most win against Basel in the Champions League. Be it the semi-finals against Chelsea. Be it the, you know it in Arsenal games. Be it now, an FA Cup semi-final. We had a fucking... Awful teams to play in that run to the FA Cup semi-final. And we struggled to get to the semi-final, replay after replay after replay. It's just not. I don't see where he's learned anything, and he seems resistant to learning lessons. And for me, you're never going to progress and become a better manager if you don't learn the lessons that are coming at you. And he just seems to be incredibly stubborn, but stubborn in the wrong way. Rafa was stubborn, but he learned lessons. You know, he always learned something from what I don't see, what Brendan is learning from anything that's going on, any of the wrongs that are going on. Yeah, I mean, I'm not as extreme as Phil, to be honest. You know, but we've always had been a different size of this debate. But one thing I do agree with him is, you know, if you work in sales, there are people that can't close sales, right? There's people that are great to set and are pitches, and great to get in the relationship going, and great to bring in people right to the point where they're ready to buy, but they just can't close it. And I am starting to worry that Brendan isn't a closer. You know what I mean? I'm starting to worry that he's great at, you know, going on these little runs or building a team that can do 80% of what needs to be done. But the most important 20%, the games you have to win, the semi-finals, the Champions League experience, the Europa League experience, you know, the Chelsea game, the Palace game, the Man United game, the Arsenal game this season, suddenly when something's on the line, the victory is against Man City aside. We don't win games, we should win, or we need to win, or we should win. So talk to me down a bit, the bigger picture over the course of his tenure, those far, because, you know, I disagree that there's not been any progress. So what I would say is that we are, we are due, this will be our, we're on course for another 70-point-plus season, right? So that would be two seasons in a row we've achieved. Assuming the Arsenal can fall out of the world, right? So 70-plus points, our average for the five seasons before was 62. So there is progress. But to bring it really down to the point about whether we, you know, change the manager or not, for me, there's two types of manager or seconds, right? There's the Hodgson, or the Moise, right? We're not aware, it's so bad, where the guy is, where the manager is so bad, that any manager is better. Right? That's type A. I don't think, bring the Rogers is not that type of sack, right? Yeah. There's another type of sack, in which is a little bit like Manchini at Man City, Nigel Atkins, when they sack him and brought Pochettino in. Kevin Keegan. You know, Kevin Keegan, where you get managers who are good at a certain thing, Neil Warnock, is good at bringing in manager, but good at getting promotion. We can't manage in a premium. Doesn't Kenny fall in fact, because he was good at getting us back, going into a premium? So there is an argument where you say, there are three or four managers who might be available this summer that represent an upgrade on Rogers. He doesn't deserve the sack, just by itself. He's not a Moise, he's not a Hodgson, he's not that type of manager. But the second question is, if Klopp is available, if Frank Du Boer is available, if Antonio Conte is available, if Unai Emery is available, then I think that there requires a debate within the club. That says, should we not go and get a legitimate upgrade on the manager? So that's what Finn and I disagree. I think Phil would sack him because he thinks he's not going in the right direction. I wouldn't sack him just for that, but I would say, if there are legitimate upgrades available, we should be going to look at it. If you can see this, you're just completely crossing those other pro people off. So if you can see that, that's an entire page of questions that have come in from listeners and all of them are the same question, which is... See, we do listen to you all. Which is basically, if Klopp's available, why the hell wouldn't you go from, can you address that question for me, Phil? Yeah, but then again, I could say that for nine or ten teams in Europe, and there are potentially better finance teams than Liverpool. Klopp is an incredibly good manager, who's proven for winning things. You know, there's a lot of stuff that we'll try out and has been put out there, or he wants the fans. He loves the fans, he loves the emotion. All this type of stuff. So he only slaps 200 grand a week in his pocket. He's got a bag. He's got a bag. He's got a lot of the emotion having 200 grand a week in his pocket. I would be very emotional about having 200 grand a week in my pocket. So I would love your organ crap to come in. I think he's the next step on from Brendan Rodgers. I think he's Brendan Rodgers plus, if you know what I mean. He's the same attacking mentality, that type of thing that we like about Rodgers. But he's also got a bit more about him. He understands how to win the big games. He's got a big game mentality about him, you know, and he's taken on the bigger teams in Germany and, well, the biggest team in Germany. And he's managed to topple them, even when, okay, it wasn't quite the older that was there at the time. But they had an awful lot of money behind them, and they managed, you know, 70% of the squad that's there at the moment, he managed to topple them. So, look, your organ crap is a pipe dream. If he's available and he wants to come to Liverpool, we should be jetting them in. And I don't give a fuck. I'd sack Rodgers at the weekend if I thought he was coming in. How would you have any trick with this argument that basically in Germany, he's had one massive team to overcome. Whereas if he goes to the Premier League, he's going to have more than that. Sorry, because I know it feels a massive crop fire, so let me jump in on that one because it's going to sound like the crop fire. But he's done it in Europe. He got a Champions League final. So for me, that negates the, he's just had one club to overcome. First of all, it's not like Bruce Year Dortmund were the second biggest club when he took him over. Like Hamburg had a bigger club than Bruce Year Dortmund, Leverkusen were a bigger club than Bruce Year Dortmund. So he did buy a Munich at a behemoth. He still had to overcome more than just buy a Munich. Plus he got into a Champions League final. And he got a Champions League final that operate and they're very similar recruitment, wage structure, playing style that we have within Liverpool. So for me, it's club or a club. So what I don't want to happen is for us to lurch in a different direction now and go and get the likes of... Tim Sherwood. No, I've been eating desert. But like Rafa, let's deal with Rafa then, because a lot of people calling for Rafa. Rafa is the complete opposite of what Rogers is, of what Klopp is, of what they're trying to do. He doesn't operate in that model. I'd argue that someone like Ancholotti, even though I love Ancholotti and I perhaps love Ancholotti. That for me, if we went for Ancholotti, would represent that the club have not thought this through. They're just lurching from one philosophy, you know, and inverted comments to another philosophy. We just go and get the sexy guy from Madrid. So for me, I just think it's got to be a continuation of what Rogers is built. There's got to be someone that's in line with what he does, and it's got to be an upgrade. If those things aren't there, then I'd give Rogers another season. Another season, Phil. No. If there's no upgrade available. No, but there is upgrades available. I am not saying that, you know, it's club. I'm saying there are upgrades available. I think it's three or four. This is not a case of where there's one man, and if we don't get that one man... No, I agree. I agree. And how many of them are probably drinks? These upgrades. No, I don't think we can get the bore. But I think, fundamentally, F.S.G. now have to stand up. They wanted to put a structure in place before Brendan Rogers took the job. They now have to put their balls on the line and put that structure in place. They need to appoint a Spartan director, a football, whatever type they want to put us. Yeah. He needs to go in. And then we need to appoint a manager in that situation. I've heard rubbish today about Jorgen Klopp wouldn't want to come in if there was a director, a football, a Spartan director there. That's what he's grown up with in Germany. Every club has a Spartan director, and the manager works for the Spartan director. You know what I mean? He's already in... He already has that type of thing about him. But look, I've always said, my one, that I would have no issues with coming in. Lucio Favre and I'd also go for Max Abel. I would basically rob the top end of Mounting Labax football instructor and put them in place. Because both of them, if you want to look for similarities, they're trying to get a team through where the best bids come in for their top players, they sell them on and they look to rebuild season after season in terms of the squad. They also play a very good brand of football and they've outperformed. One of the key things for managers for me is that he has to outperform the level and ability that's in that squad if we are to succeed in winning a league title or being top two on a consistent basis. The reason I think that it's a slightly more complex than that is I think the thing we're talking about, which is the ability to win must-win games, that has to be someone that's done at the top level. So for me, that's why the list gets a little bit short, there's got to be someone that's won a league or won a European championship or won a tournament or some sort, someone who has an experience of winning must-win games. So that for me, it comes down to maybe three or four managers. Okay, I'm just going to hold it there. I want you to address this question because I'm interested in your reaction to it. I asked Dave early on because the Rafa questions come in from not one but six different people. You talked to me about Rafa as an option. Is it a yes or a no straight away? Yeah, for me, Rafa, I don't want to go back. I think it's great that he was a huge part of our history, he was a huge part of our club and he'll always be a huge part of our club. But I would not want Rafa beneath his back as manager because we're back into all the visions, old issues, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera around us. And I think it's time that we as a fan base have to stop looking back. We have to stop looking back. We have to learn how to look forward and always be able to look forward and not be afraid of a change, embrace change and not just look to go back because we're not happy with where the present is. It's about moving forward. This club has to move forward. We can't be trapped in what we've been trapped in for the last twenty-five years. He's also currently fourth in a three-horse race in Italy. So, I mean, the reality is he's not doing it in ably. Yeah. You know. Assuming we have time to talk to the people for another world that we feel, I'm not keeping in mind. The club there, can I ask Andy to get in with us? Well, he's got two minutes. Andy. And then our parents. We don't have any two minutes. I'll give you a quick reaction to your thoughts. Here's Andy, your thoughts on that. Hello, everyone. Your thoughts on Rogers and all the chat about him and... Yeah, it's not simple. Yeah. It's something that, like, if they get rid of them, it has to be the right man. And then who is the right man? I mean, personally, I think if you could get a club, yeah, fair enough. (LAUGHTER) If not, then where else you go? Like, "Let's talk a raffle. Let's talk it a bit more." And there's other names getting bandied around. I'd be kind of open to raffle. There's an argument, but then there's a hell of a lot against it as well. Like, you know, we've got a dodgy silence. That only has half more here. (LAUGHTER) I can't see from behind the fucking thing! (LAUGHTER) Stick to the Brendan option. Just last word on that then. Brendan for another season, few, yes or no? Erm... I don't know. I haven't made up my mind. OK, that's impressive. Like, no change for me, yesterday. OK. You know what I mean? Stick it did for a lot, people. Yeah, it did. 'Cause we're exploded. It was after church. It did, yeah. They're Roger's criticism. And those people who maybe were keeping things bottled up just went off. Yeah. I mean, that's not hell. Like, that's not hell things that don't look like. You don't just change it. You know, you don't just make a decision based on one game. Yeah. Now, like, if you have a problem with Roger's all season and then you want it on loud, fair enough, but not just ten minutes after the match, it has to go. Yeah. That's stupid. Don't even get on the bus. Unfortunately. It's just where fans don't make big decisions on football because if they did, we'd probably go through four or six managers a season. Our podcast, people, 'cause what? Right. We're delighted to be joined by two special guests today. We've got Carolyn McWiggins, who's founder and CEO of Suicide and Survival. And we've got Tony Brown, who's a committee member, and helping our guys in the event that's coming up very soon. We want to talk about that event. Carolyn, could you first of all tell us a little bit about Suicide and Survival? Absolutely, Trevor. We work on the ground. We work all over the country. And basically, what we're doing is we're providing programs to break the stigma because, sadly, it's still very strong out there around suicide and mental health. And what we would do is go into communities and say, look, can we work with you? Bring in programs. And I think if you look at your physical health and think of your mental health, four and a half million people have mental health. So we need to take the same approach that we do with the physical, 'cause every day you walk or you exercise. And what we're saying to people is that it's really, really important that you invest in your mental health because everyone in life is going to have a dip in their mental health. So when you do have that dip, if you have strategies and ways of managing it, but the problem, Trevor, is that stigma gets in the bloody way. And it's how do we push through that and say, everyone in life will experience vulnerability. Everyone in life will have a tough time. You're no less than. And we have to stop putting the word weak, you know, or not good enough beside it. So we go all over the country. We work in Wefield prison. We work in the corporate world. And because mental health, every single person has mental health. Yeah. And have you noticed Caroline? I mean, obviously you make some very, very good points. Have you noticed things change and slightly better lately? There's a perceived improvement. I know, I know. Are you finding that in the ground? I tell you what's happening. Basically, we're talking more about mental health. And what we're doing here is fantastic. But the challenges, if you, me, or any individual is struggling with their mental health, will you talk about your own mental health? And that's still, we've still quite a bit to go. So you'll hear us chat about it. But what's really, really important is that, say, I, for example, I've had, you know, times in my life where I hit dark times, but that I can talk about it in a way that I don't carry shame or embarrassment. Sadly, at the moment, every single day, at the end of the day, two more people will have died by suicide and eight out of ten are men. So we've got to really, really push this conversation because we know, we know from research. We know from in communities that if we take a whole community approach, exactly what we're doing here tonight, all of us talking together, it becomes ordinary and it doesn't become a taboo. So there definitely is a change, we're going in the right direction, but all the communities you have to come together for everybody. And before I talk to Tony about the event, you guys are kind of promoting it. That's brilliant, fantastic. What is, how are you going about normalizing it for? I'm aiming at a lot of men, I suppose, directing the stuff. What kind of things are you guys arguing with? Well, we're actually back to basics because it's not rocket science and I'd always take the attitude that you have dental health, you have mental health, you have physical health. So first and foremost, that to acknowledge you have mental health and it's really important that on a daily basis, you look after your mental health. So all of a sudden, if I'm feeling low or if you want to use the word depressed or if I'm feeling anxious or if I'm having a panic attack, I don't go to use this. I can't say that to anybody. It's like, yeah, this is all right, I can talk to someone, people might be able to help me. And for some of us, if you need professional help, you can reach out. That makes it ordinary, but I'm a man, I was 17 and a 14-year-old. It's what do I do with those? One is a boy and one is a girl. So my attitude to them is, yeah, you're going to have a dip in your mental health, you're going to have a struggle in your life, but let's look at resilience. So it's up to me, it's up to you, it's up to everybody. You know, what am I going to do to turn this around? So that's what we would push in the organization rather than there's an expert outside of you. You are your own expert and you know yourself better than anybody else. That makes a hell of a lot of sense. To drive it again towards the event that's coming up, would you give us a little bit of background? There's a match coming up between Liverpool and Bora Legends is the basic information I have. Yeah, this Saturday Open Jackson Park, Open Continuing Home Away, so it's healthy. Liverpool Legends are playing. The Bora Legends and the Bora Legends, what consists of about 30 guys. They were playing for the Tony Ryan Cup, a bit of background at the Tony Ryan. Tony Ryan was an ex-teammate of most of the lads that are playing on Saturday and Tony succumbed to suicide on the 12th of December, 15 years ago. And back then, it was a taboo subject. And even when he died, I don't think we could cope. It's only recently where the lads all started talking about it again because it just was kind of, you know, put to the side and we couldn't really, we never really spoke about it. You know, what's more out there, it's more open and we're talking about it. So, you know, it's Tony's partner, Ivan, that came to me about six months ago and asked me what could we do to an event to sit on our Tony. So, I said, "Look, Lee, we went off and I'm evolving these teams into Ireland to Liverpool Legends and the Miami United Legends." So, we get to Liverpool all over because their anthem is "You Never Walk Alone" and it's the same anthem of the charity, "You Never Walk Alone." So, it was a marriage, so to speak. So, we approached our knowledge and Alan Kennedy met him and they were all over it, you know. So, the lads are coming in and starting to play the game, so it's all going to be interesting. Fantastic, and there's a few more of the names that might be available. Well, if we all look coming in, Ron, you're healing. McIntyre is going to play, John Walker's play, David Spree's going to play. Alan Kennedy's going to play. Tremendous. So, it was a good mixture there. Jimmy Carter, the famous Jimmy Carter is going to play. Excellent. And so, it's going to be great. And on the Boroside names, you might recognise that. Oh, Jesus. No, they're all crap. No. Oh, I love it. No, I'm going to be honest with you. There was all the Richie Parsons, Richie play for Bray. And I know Derek Hark and Derek play for Bray as well. They're part of the coping team. So, there is a good balance there. You're not putting the picture very competitive, actually. Look, the lads are training, but it's shocking. But look, some haven't kicked the ball in years, and they're only training about two months, and they still can't kick the ball. But it's going to be a great bit of cracking. We treat teams to force 11 to play for half an hour in the second 11, and then the third 11. Well, I'm obviously doing it. It's to raise awareness and to raise money. But it's also to under Tony. Yeah. Because Tony was an unbelievable bloke. He was a great bloke, you know, and he's always in our thoughts. Brilliant. Caroline, how can people get involved in terms of actually contributing? How do we get in touch with buying tickets? Yeah. Well, if people want to, and actually even just to get a sense of us as an organisation of what we do and why, you can go on to our website, which is www.suicide or survive.ie, and then for the match, because everything else is sold out up on Wayside on Saturday, if anyone would like to ring 1 8 9 0 5 7 7 5 7 7 and Nolian or Lisa are there, and we have some match tickets left. And like Tony said, this is phenomenal. I mean, I've never experienced a community taking on such an event in such a way. And you asked me here to try out what will make the change, what this is change. Yeah, things like this. These men and women in the community already in the last six months, the journeys we've all gone on are powerful. So what they're doing, if we could do it all over the country, I know it would have a huge impact, a very positive one. Well, look, it only remains for us to wish you the very best with the event itself. They'll implement borrow legends. And everyone should get on to the website and have a look and educate themselves like the other whole topic. Thanks very much, Caroline. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Look, we're not going to do a slave-ish analysis of that match, because that would be the coolest thing that you could possibly think of and really no one wants to do at this point. So Phil, I've heard you expressed an opinion that you see these, the match against Phil at the start of the season. And this season almost is bookending what has been a bit of a disappointing season, almost like the matches were a season in the microcosm. Expanding that a bit. Yeah. It's, it was at the game. It's very insightful. I don't know. Hey, are they? I love the microcosm of a Monday. Microcosm of a Monday. Yeah, it's great to have it back to a slave-ish. That's getting caught. That's a good point. Yeah, look at, you know, when you look back to that game and Lambert was in charge of a villa at the time under a shit, right? And they came to Anfield and they won. And we were pissed poor that day. And we made villa look a good team. And they didn't do anything great. They just basically ran around. And, you know, everything that came up on Saturday and Sunday came up again in the fourth game, shit defending, dysfunctional midfield, no Trenton attack. Yeah. Right? You go ahead, you go show everything that's gone on through the season and you get to that game and you take yourself, right? There's fucking lessons learned here. We've been on a big run. We've had a couple of dodging results against, you know, villa. I mean, you know, this is the big one now. This is our whole hopes for the trophy hinges on this, you know? No matter what happens, these team, these players are going to be sold for it. Brendan's going to have them sold for it. You know, they're going to come out with a storming out the blocks, they're going to do everything. And they came out and it was the same limp, shit-ass performance that we had against Villain in the fourth half. And then shit-ass performance. And it was just, it was appalling for us, you know what I mean? I taught after the fourth, 20 minutes, you know, that, okay, then we came into it and got the goal. I thought, okay, we're going to kick on. But no, it was just, it was the same. It was just, it was completely dysfunctional. And everything that's been bad across the season came back out again in that match. Like, even the second goal, it was just so October. It was just so October. So October. It was, you know, a fellow runs from midfield. Gerard can't walk anymore. Love him, love him doesn't, as he goes, as love him stands in front of him, instead of him stepping in and trying to get a block on, he's on his heels and he's rocking back. And your man hit the scarred ego. It wasn't even like a rocket into the back of the net. It was just a scarred he finished in the end. And we made shit players look really good. Like I was saying, people rave. Oh, look at how good Fabian Delph was. No, that was like us when we played against Newcastle and we had a function on midfield. And we just ghosted past the Newcastle midfield. Where Lucas was incredible, but he looked like Maradana. Yeah, but what I'm saying to you, it was a functional midfield against what happened on Sunday. And now we want to come out to Gerard and I think it has to be addressed. We will, but this is just why, when we talked about what we talked about earlier, is my issue. We are not, we haven't learned anything over the course of the season. We've stumbled on things that have worked. And yes, the manager has, when I say stumbled, he said, right, I'll try you this. It's worked from and he kept doing it. Going back to Andy's bit, there'd been very little variation in say, using one system and instead of dumping the system, it was like expanding or doing something slightly different within that system to move it around and make it work. So that if a team sort of figured you out, that you could still set up the same way, but just with a slight movement around of certain players, so that what was working against you isn't working against you or you are counting what was, what was actually starting to work against you at that point. And that's, that's where I was talking about lessons now. And it hasn't happened. And that hasn't happened right from, as I said, that field of game. We went through that awful shit spell. We came across the thing, went on a great one, got found out. And again, we're now stumbling around the dark, a bit like the end of last season, when the people started to figure out our diamond, when Chelsea basically just put a load of players behind the ball and teams then just did that against us and counter attacked really quickly. And that seemed to figure out the diamond. And we seemed to just shit ourselves and dump that system and the new season came around and went back to, went back to a far back position. So it's horrible. It's horrible. I hate starting off with that sort of depressive time, but it was fucking frightening just watching that game. It was like, it was like somebody put the season on the wind and went back to October. Well, Andy September. Well, Andy September. Well, I feel this point that a lot of patterns that seem to be repeating themselves. Probably the most disturbing one for me was the lack of ideas. The fact that, you know, you're looking at a team there and they just look a bit bereft of concepts of how to get out of the trouble they were in. And, you know, that, that extra bit of push, the heart that he, that he mentioned, he said himself a bit of drive. Yeah. Would you, would you roll in behind that or is that a bit traumatic? No, I think, I think players need to take a hell of a lot of responsibility. It's not a computer game and they're not robots. The manager doesn't make them do everything. There are human beings out there with a brain and they've been playing, a lot of them being playing football 24, 26 years. Well, they've been playing ball since they were a young age. Yeah. And they've all been playing at a high level since they were a young age because that, that sort of talent would have been very obvious from four over six and they would have been gone through academies and all sorts. So, to, to just blame the manager on ideas is, is ridiculously. Players know they need to move into space. Players know when they need to walk out. Players know when they're on the pitch when they need to change little things themselves and beat their personal battles. Yeah. And they're saying to me now we're just like, "Villa, we're just so up free." And it sickens me to the core that, that's a team, that an opportunity to win silverware. This is Liverpool, a chance to win silverware. And the players are letting the fans down so I'm just, "Fella's travelling from fucking Australia to that game there." You know, the sort of picture and Twitter fell there looking for a ticket. He's coming from an all the way from ours. You know, now the couch is all the way down to London and that. And that's a sickening performance. And I don't hold, I hold Roger's partially responsible, but the players just need to stand up on that. That's a great thing. And it's a good point for me to be able to put in the two Philly games, like brackets around the season. Because that's what we're going to think of when the season is over. Unless America happens now and they finish top four. But we look at that, we look at everything in between them two brackets, two terrible performances against Villa. And then there was, you know, we got it together when Brandon slumbled across something against Basel. And he stuck with it. I don't care. You know, there's Roger Separtas and there's Roger's people like knock them. I'm somewhere in between like the match there. It changed nothing for me. And I always keep saying, but he does stumble across things. And fair enough, you have to give credit when you see, when you see something that works that you stick to it. But eventually you get found out and then he's like, "Doesn't know what to do." And the players don't know what to do. So... And is that what you were seeing on Sunday was a group of players on a pitch where they just lacking in ideas or do you think, like, I mean, you know... But not even like ideas. It is a simple game. Like ideas as in move. That's what I mean. You know what I mean? Personally, you should. Like if the other team are pressing hard, well, Jesus, the player is around you but I can't get near it here. So you can release the ball. Eventually players just get pissed off running. This is one of my problems with the single end of Brendan as the sole responsibility for that. And it's where I agree with you on this. You do, at a certain time, have to go, "Well, actually, this isn't working. I'm on the pitch. I need to do this to address this situation." I mean, like, it's the point that you're making from the start of what you've been saying here. Yeah, you have to take responsibility. Like the manager can only prep you, you know, to the best of his ability and feel that that's the right thing to go out there. Jesus Christ, the team that went out was well good enough to be filler on the day. A few weeks ago, we were playing quite well. With that shape, with a blind villa way. I don't know what's going on. Like, what's happening behind the scenes are where the players have just that long confidence. Like Roger said, sometimes you can want to win a tournament. Well, that team looked like they didn't want to win it at all. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. Like, at least, you know, with five minutes ago, there was bars being pinged around the back. You know what I mean? Like, at least show something. At least they're kicking them up in the air when they have the bar. You know, show something. Maybe get into a bit of a scrap and put manners on the opposite. Don't watch and moan. Don't watch and moan. And I always remember when you know it, we're on the fair game. And the last five minutes we held for the opposition. And then when they had noise, like, you were laughing at it, you know, because what are we looking at here? This isn't, you know, if they don't remember where they were pushing and pushing and pushing. And then fucking every so bad. Yeah. And they always got to go. Yeah. And five minutes to go. We are going out of the FA Cup in the 74 and the great chance of in the trophy. And there's this shit going on. Yeah. Well, Dave, speaking of a fellow who's capable of throwing in a crazy tackle and has done so recently, I wanted to get onto the topic of the captain and his performance. Now, look, there's, like, just with Brandon, there's nothing to be gained from an extended bashing session. But to be fair, how many times did you watch that game and find yourself going? Oh, right. Oh, Steven's playing because I hadn't realized because he wasn't involved. Yeah. I mean, look, I've oscillated between absolutely furious at Jared and just really sad, you know, to be honest. Yeah, I think that's fair. Watching it. I think I made this comment on here before. It's not that Jared was bad. It's not like, let me finish, right? It's not like he gave a ball away loads or he was wasteful or he threw in a bad tackle or he got sent off. He just didn't do anything. You know, he didn't positively contribute to the game at all. And he has made loads of great points about the players. And I think they're all valid and I absolutely agree. But you are handicapped in that team when you play Jared in midfield, right? That's the reality. And there is then only so much, you know, you are essentially raising the amount of running that Alan has to do or Henderson has to do by 40% because they have to do more. And you're essentially saying Jared's playing on the right of a 4-3-3. So whoever's playing right center back or right wingbags get no support there because he can't run. So he's not going to come back and do that. So Jared had a really poor game. He was a fit, right? He has played, I think, something like 25 minutes in six weeks, something like that. So for him to play 90 minutes yesterday is, I mean, is Rogers in an absolute fucking, to use Phil's word, "microcosm" right there, right? Absolute, ridiculous. And the sub, so at halftime, first of all, I don't think we need to make the change at halftime. It's 1-1, right? He's just changed formation. I think there's a legitimate argument to send the same players back out and say, okay, there's a little bit of, so, time these points, sometimes when things aren't working, you don't need to throw the whole thing out. You just change a little bit and he changed. He changed in game. So I think there's an argument to say, okay, here's what we're going to do. Here's how we're going to get Jared on the ball. Here's how we're going to do that. But he makes the sub, okay, fair enough. But for him to not take Jared off at halftime after that half that he put in and worse to move him into center midfield. I just, I literally was lost for words enough. But this goes back to my point and this is why I was saying like you can look at this match and you can look at the season as a whole. Yeah. And analyze and look at the mistakes that have been made over the course of the season. And again, it's this continued playing of Stephen Gerard, which I thought we were over. I thought we'd gotten past after Christmas, right? Where, you know, he wasn't starting them. He'd actually left them on the bench and said, right, actually, you're an impact stop now, Stephen. You're not, you're, you're leaving at the end of the season. I don't have this weight around me neck to think. But again, the millstone of the Steven, the Stevie FA Cup final to see. Yeah, we wouldn't have played of Lucas was there. And I, I don't want to, to that point, I don't want to be revisionist here either. Well, I saw the team and I saw Lucas was out. I had no problem with Jared starting particularly with the rumors that he was starting in front three, right? I was okay with that. My issue is that you realize at halftime that that is not working. You've got to, you've got to do something and you've got to be brave enough and you've got to be big enough to turn round because it's fucking easy. It's, it's, it's fucking easy to take, take Mark of it off. That is the piss easy week decision, right? It's the hook. Yeah. The fucking 20 year old kid who you've played out of position for the entire game or for the last, the whole season. Yeah, fucking, let's blow his confidence. Let's, let's actually ruin the confidence of a player who's going to be here for the next three years. That's a fucking pussy decision. The right decision and they're, sorry, I'm banging the table. The right decision. But the brave decision, the decision. The decision. The decision. The decision beneath this mix is you take Jared off there. And that's the change. But that's, that's my point. Those managers wouldn't have started. No, but I just want to say. Even with Lucas injured because they would have done, you know, you don't have to start in the shape that we started. And then when we change it so quickly because the shape isn't working, right? At that point, you completely negate the reason of having Jared in the, in the front three, in the forced instance, right? And then when, going back to your point about taking Markovich off, we lost our whole right side. You know, we had a right back. We had a massive gap. He's, Jared's meant to be, as he said, on the right side of the opposite. Well, he's, he's sitting deep and then there's just nothing going on. And, you know, I have to say as well, I've been critical of Henderson across the course of the season saying that, you know, he's, when he's impacted the games, he's been very, very effective in the whole up. But it's been a lot of games where he hasn't been, you know, the, the player that we needed. It's taken someone else to bring him into the game as opposed to him bringing players into the game. And again, he needed to step up. Yeah, he needed to step up. You can't turn around and say that was the Lucas Gerard midfield and Henderson was carrying both the water. Himself and Alan were there. No, Alan, for all his, he didn't have a great game. But he ran. At least he ran. Henderson went missing. He went fucking missing. The Henderson's the presumptive fucking captain. So he's got to be able to look at that system and say, like, he gave the ball to Jared. Every time he got the ball and second half, he gives the ball to Jared. At some point you've got to go, this guy can't fucking move. Stand the fuck up. Exactly. Stand up. Yeah. Be fucking counters. Be captain. You want to wear the air in band. You're the one that's getting all the praise and the papers for it developing and being able to deliver a final ball and be, you know, doing this and having this thing. Stand the fuck up in a semi-final and stop being a fucking wimp. Right? We're being told that you're a leader. You're just, stand the fuck up. I'm just, I don't understand how... That's, that's the annoyance. That's the annoyance for me is that if you put a player in that's going to cause the other players to kill down to this player. Right? And I don't mean that this is, you know, this is Jared's fault. This is their fault. Yeah. I agree. You know, they... Did Jared get picked to go to deal with it? Right? And again, I would have started him. I wouldn't, I would have subbed him though. Jared, but Jared being on the pitch is not an excuse for everyone around him to, like, not react to Andy's point. To not, like, look at what's happening, look what's happening and feel and go, well, I got to do something different here. Yeah. And if you expect to be the captain in Liverpool and a mainstay in our midfield and someone that we are essentially going to build a team around, then that's the game for you to step up with. Okay. Well, the point you make is a goal and the point you make is a goal as well. And then we go, and we've echoed Andy again there. So, if the players aren't injecting something into their performance and they clearly weren't, you were relying on the mound hook shot again. And the substitutions that he made, he said, were to inject energy. The substitutions that he made were to, I'm going to repeat that, to inject energy. And so he brings on, who does he bring on? Yeah. So, can you explain for the love of God, what was the top process? Well, what could possibly have been the top process? From Mario, come on. And then later, the Johnson one, with so much in mind. Well, Mario, it's funny because Twitter, Jesus Christ, everyone was calling for Super Mario Time to go on. And then when he came on, there was Mario Time and all of the same people that were giving out about that change. You know, because the masses on Twitter are then saying, "Oh, fucking hell, what do you do this for? What do you change that for?" You can't talk about where his legs, tweeds getting deleted all over the shop. People getting called out like you. I thought the kid did okay to be fair to him. Yeah, no. You know, to be fair. Yeah, he did. He done out very unfortunate with the goal. We'll go back. He was, but that way, yeah. And this is the frustrating, but this goes back. It's the season, the microcosm. It's shit substitutions. It's something we've been saying every week. Like, there's probably only four or five games. Three of them probably happened in a row, you know, between January and March, where he made substitutions that were good that affected the game. Up until then, his substitutions have been cabbage. You know, I remember one of the Champions League games, and he left Lelan on the bench and he left to think he left Catina on the bench. Remember one of them sitting under the blanket like, "Do you know what I mean?" When we needed a goal. So, like, it comes back again. And the players must hang their head in absolute shame for what they've done out there in the pitch. Regardless of what the manager says, you can take it into your own hands. But the manager, oh my God, he's let himself down. Forget the fan, forget everything, right? The shit he's come out with after the match in terms of what he said. The Gerard quotes the fucking about getting the occasion, getting to them. No, how about just not saying fucking anything when that shit has gone on in the fucking pitch. For once, Sam Pasco down, that's the 20th Sam Pasco down to do the interviews, right? Because we don't want to hear what you have to say. We literally do not want to hear. Well, I think on the Mario... It's the not... I'm going to go back to it. It's not about bringing Mario on, right? I mean, first of all, let me just detour slightly. On what fucking planet is bilaterally Lambert and Borini all on your bench? Explain that to me. Explain how we've got a bench that has three defenders and three strikers on it. No pace. There is not a single person on our bench that has a liquor pace. We've got an entire under-21 squad. We've got Cameron Brannigan on the bench for the last three games. He hasn't got a minute of action. Whereas Ricky Lambert is getting five-minute fucking cameos. He can collect his unemployment benefit or whatever the hell he's collecting. So, you know, the fact that we even start an FA Cup semi-final with that as a bench is a fucking... is ridiculous. He's got three strikers that he doesn't trust. They can't score goals. Put a kid on the bench. Put someone on the bench that actually, you know what? Fuck it. Someone who busts their guts for you. We know what Lambert does. Anyway, sorry. Come back to Balotelli. It's not the bar... It's not the Balotelli sub. It's that if Balotelli is your sub, the whole system has to change. You can't put Balotelli on and see what Sterling was doing there, but he wasn't doing it very well. Go and do that. Because that doesn't fucking work. So, suddenly now you've got Coutinho and Henderson and Sterling, who are like playing nice intricate passing through balls and that, and instead we're lumping it up to Mario. And he's on his own with nobody near him for 40 yards. It's not the sub. Balotelli's fine, but change the fucking system. Yeah, well, when I say they're going back to the tree at the back thing, it was a bit disappointing because, you know, they'd won the last two against with a flat backfire. And I think it's the way to go when it started, you know, it started working again. And it was a great stopback, that shape, but it's... No, it was found out. So, okay. It starts out in the back into a kind of a more familiar far tree tree. So, when he changed, then he went, "Hey, my child went right back and I'll let him tell you." That's a good tactical decision right now. And they got the goal from him. And then they went back, they regressed again. And then a half-time when Balotelli came on over, he was kind of thinking to himself, "This could be interesting. Get Coutinho and Sterling up beside the front." Around them, yeah. And stack it in the bottle to him. Yeah. Get on on the bar and get it moving quick. And get into Jared's feet and pick out these players who are making runs. But instead, Coutinho stuck out really with it. Yeah. And they developed him who were so up for it, and Liverpool weren't so up for it, were just pressing and pressing and pushing all the time, and pushed us back and pushed us back on an isolated Mario. Mm-hmm. So, it was a useless substitution. Yeah. Unless you're going to go and start attacking, and start putting in a bit more effort. But you can only say, the manager is so responsible for that, I mean, those people aren't saying he needs to motivate them. You don't need to be fucking motivated for an FA Cup final. Yeah. You sit the fellas down and you say, "Right, lads, you know where he is, Arra." You're a game away from a final here. Yeah. You don't need to go in and start screaming your head off. "Come on, you're fucking coming! Come on! Come on! Team me once, team me once!" Team me once! You know, you sit them down and you say, "We've got a lot of quality around. Have a look around." There's a lot of quality players. The villa team. Just don't look in the sub-to-bench. Just don't look in the sub-to-bench. It was! Yeah, the tour shops out there. Fuck's sake. Where's the villa at the moment? Just on a crest of a wave because, you know, Timmy's in and he's roiling them all up. Like, that's going to blow up eventually. Yeah. But unfortunately, at the moment, all you have to do, the players just need to be relaxed and do what they're capable of doing. Like this business, they're just not motivating. Bullshit! But it also goes back, right? So, the entire season, so we're, you know, to extrapolate it out between the first villa game of this season. Tell me, right? What is our plan to score goals? What is our attack in? What is our attack? What is our attack? In the second half, the only two chances of note were decent balls in from M.A. Chan to Mario, which he almost got on, but didn't quite. So, in the last 10 games, right? How many times do we cut the team open? Yeah. You know, continue to score four Worldies, right? Yeah. One against Blackburn, one against City, one against Southampton, one against Bolton, right? Four Worldies. You scored in the last 10 games. The other goals that we scored was the Henderson deflection against Swansea. Sterling scored two. Yeah. But when are we cutting these teams open? What's our plan? What, see, what I think has happened a little bit with the three at the back is it's almost like Rogers. Someone said the Rogers so much, you need a defensive coach. He's gone, all right, fuck us. I'll show you. I'll show you that I can coach a defense. And he has. But we just don't have a midfield or an attack anymore. So what we essentially have is a defense that when everyone's fit and it's all structured and all that kind of stuff, we look pretty solid. And then we have one player, probably in Coutinho, who we rely on to do something amazing at the other end and gets us through the games. Now that's okay if you've got five players who are at Coutinho's level who could do something amazing and get it through a game. That's how Julio used to win games. It's how Rafa used to win games. It's how Mourinho wins games is that you trust the fact you're not going to concede and then you have these special players that do something for you. But we don't have that. Where's our plan to score goals? Where's our plan to be? That's not coaching the defense league. It was just an extra body in there. Look, there was loads of common moments. I know what you mean. We arrive on a build tackle. We have loads of matings and even Chan back there, loads of matings scared. It's just you have an extra body there to mop up. They didn't look like a solid defense. No. They just didn't leak it off. But at least they looked like a unit. Whereas we haven't had a midfield unit or an attacking unit or a season that looks cohesive. I mean, even that tree for a tree, it didn't really look structured. You'd go, Moreno, who's ours was left out playing that role. Some people thought he was left back and saying he should be doing that. Moreno's covering Roy Falls attacking and then getting the blame for Roy swingers. It's so fucking cheap. It's not really structured properly. It takes me back to my point, which is about putting Gerard into the team. And it comes down to this decision. The reason the tree walked up front without a striker was because you had tree really pacy players up front, right? And that would run all over the place and would create space even for getting a wander strike or staring to get a strike or something like that, right? You get more chances. Yeah. So you get more chances. You've got more goals. Whereas you have a couple of strangers up there, you're clinical and you only need one or two chances. When we looked good offensively, we had all of our Markovitch as a wing back. We had Moreno as one of the wing backs, right? And then we had three really pacy lads in front of them, right? And the two midfielders, in our best run-of-form, it was Lucas and Henderson. And this is how Lucas has been belonging for long time. But if you look at our best run-of-form, it was when... He's been in every good game with that. Yeah, right? It's been Lucas and Henderson in that midfield and in the tree behind them, right? And what we had there was we had, going back to your point, we had two wing backs who are fliers. We had three lads who just ran all over the shelf in front and opened up space. And then we also had the ability of Henderson to get on. And that was when Henderson has played well. Lucas is in intelligence, positioning. Yeah, right? Take that away. Go back to the static bollocks that was on display again at the weekend. And you know what? You end up being shit like you have been for the fourth half of the season. And that, to me, is where he, as a manager, misses the point. He misses the point. What makes him really good as an attacking coach is when he got all the pacy mad players and put them on the pitch, right? And when he stops putting all the pacy mad players on the pitch, and that'll match the point even if it's a youngster. Well, that's my point. Put pacy, to quote you, put pacy mad people on the bench. Yeah. Like, if you, if you're saying this is an epic upset, I'm fine. I got it. I'm going to play the senior guys. Fine. I can understand that, right? But don't, don't look around at your bench. And then your choices for substitutions are Manquillo, no pace. Turi, no pace. Johnson, no pace. Lambert, no pace. Barini, less everybody in the beta. And fucking Balletari, who's got a little bit of pace. But you've got to build an entire team around them. I just, I'm baffled by that. To go back to Andy's point about, you know, why we moved from a 3.4. It's because Skirt was fit. Skirt was available. So instead of actually sitting down and saying, is it right that I bring art and Skirtle back in, when we've just changed the system and actually it's worked for us and we've done well? Or if I bring Martin Skirtle back in, who do I not play? And maybe Lovern sits out or maybe Jean, yeah, Emma Jean sits out. We, we accommodate Skirtle, then we accommodate Jared. And it's just, it's the accommodation that just, he's actually shooting himself in the football. Yeah, and it's always been Brandon's thing that he has in order of players. Yeah. It's not really stick with the system and fit the players. So, you know, if you need to pull a kid out or his arms out of the, the, on the 21s, you're banging him in, really full or whatever you need to do. Yeah. Instead, he goes, Church, remember one stage last season, we played far across the back, far center backs across the back. Exactly. It's because he trusted them ahead of the next option, far right back or left back. Now, like, I could understand Jared coming in for a little bit. I mean, all we did prepared for this tree for two, one formation, and next thing, they lose a player. So, who's the next midfielder available? Well, there really only was one. Unless he, I don't know, who's available was there or something, puts him in. Well, I mean, it's, well, it's not realistic. Jared started and was realistic. Yeah, understood. Yeah, he did it. Like, you know, I mean, it'd be probably reckless when you've had prepared the players all week, you know, to go and change the shape of the sudden. So, but as you say, he must have known on his head, this might not work out. Jared has played 24 minutes, the last fucking many weeks. I'd have to have an option B on the bench. And it was very, very little. Well, here's the reality of, of, you know, you just said, you know, he has an order of preference of players, right? The people at the top of that list, they're going to get him sacked. They've got him sacked. Because the people at the top of that list, list to us, Stephen Jared, Martin Skirt, Ooh, Dale Loveren, Joe Allen, Jordan Henderson, you know. Glenn Johnson. They're going to get him sacked. He's going to get sacked. As a result of the fact that he's so entrenched in this view of these are the best players that I've got. Glenn Johnson, as an example, he's entrenched in it. And when he gets sacked, he's going to look back and he's going to go, I hope, or if he gets sacked, I mean, that sounds so presumptive and I don't mean to sound like I'll take so much glee in it. But when he looks back, he's going to go, why the fuck did I do some of those things? Why did I, why did I put Ricky Lambert on at 85 minutes? And if anyone can tell me the logic of that decision, no, I can't because it's, it's, it's the epitome of the decision-making. Ricky Lambert's your choice. Ricky Lambert. Pull fucking Tory on and put Skirtle up front would have been better. Now you're talking. Right? But now you're talking, remember Skirtle up front? Now you're fucking talking. But the way, the way people talk about Rogers, it's like he's a hugely experienced manager. I mean, surely everybody knew when Rogers was appointed, this was a project, this was a long term thing. And there was gone to be mistakes along the way. He peaked last season, last season should have happened in his fifth season sort of thing. He peaked. So people are expecting that he's got to do X, Y and Z and people are telling him how to do it. He's not letting them. He's not letting them. We've sat here. He is letting them talk. And I've said, I'm recording, I said at the very start of this thing, I said the reason why I wanted him gone in November is the same reason I wanted him gone in February. And when you ask me the question that I still want him gone at the end of the season, we were winning games, is he's not learning? And I'll stand over it. But Rogers is at his best to your point, right? Because I kind of agree with Andy. But he kind of is learning, you know, and eventually he did stop using Jared. No, OK. And then he put him back in. That's played him for 90 minutes and he put Glenn Johnson back in the team and he puts the same ship back in the team and he makes the same mistakes. He's not learning. You know, has he put Glenn Johnson back in the team? Like, has he? I think Glenn Johnson is way further down the list than say playing. Yeah. Um, recently, I played ahead of him and right wing back, you know, he could have been easily just put a Johnson. He was so mad into Johnson. So he keeps talking with Johnson. Yeah. But I was injured and you know, it's not that he does, because I actually, like, I'm more than anything. He did. Like, we were back and about gaff fucking stop playing Jared and fucking stop playing Johnson's. I can't. But injuries happened. Yeah. And it's, you know, but it's resulted in him having to play. He didn't, like, I don't think fucking Jared was starting yesterday unless Lucas got injured. I think he was. Who? Because where? He was playing right wing back then. Listen to me. He was playing right wing back then. That's the type of decision that Rogers makes all the time. He knows a bit of sentiment. Just tell me that. And he told me. Tell me what the time would have been of Lucas. Well, he doesn't want to play right wing back. Yeah. Why in there? Like, why? Because he's done it before. I mean, I kind of think that Jared would have played yesterday. I don't agree with it, but I think kind of think you would have. So Henderson played, Henderson would have played right wing back. So Jared would have sat a bit deeper from the beginning. Yeah. So we put him up kind of forward around with, with a Catenio and Sterling. Why did that? Because there wasn't a lot of options. Just to play him. It could be. It could have, which came back in. It could have, if he was going to play Jared where he was going to play him. And then, uh, Lucas goes, then we're going to play Jared there and play Henderson forward because that's where Henderson played against Newcastle for the forward. See, it doesn't really add up. It does. I think he's, because he's played Jared there before. And he's played Jared in the attack a third, much more than he's playing. And that's, that's, you know, who is learning on the job? Timmy. Timmy's. He's a great man, isn't he? I'm, I'm, I could not be fond of that lad because he's, he's such good value for such a dope and he's such good value. I hope, I hope Villa Wind, the FA Cup now, but I just want to see what happens. I want to see what Timmy is going to do on the sideline because he was like a bounce in spring lamb. How do you all grade from that? Right. All right. Did someone tell him this is the final? But you know he was taking a piss spring around Joe Cole in the last couple of minutes. That was a designed piss take. Has to be. It was genius. I, I think he actually might be a genius. Villa's bench is better than our bench. Joe Cole. Even with Joe Cole. That bench. Joe, Joe Cole's a better player than Burimi. You're going to have a celebrity that much than Joe Cole and Lambo. Oh my God. Fucking Lambo. But anyway, I mean. Did you see him bouncing on us? Did you see him? The best thing about it was when a full-time whistle goes, he turns right, shakes, brain this hand and he goes to walk down a tunnel and then he gets about five steps down and he realizes, fuck I wonder and he runs back on the pitch hugs the BT guys. Oh my god. And then he's down the touch like, but he actually goes to do the graceful thing, you know, well, I'm Brendan, you know, I'll see you inside when I have a glass of wine. He starts walking down the tunnel, wait him, fuck. He's actually, he genuinely is, he's the new Harry Redknap. Oh, he's sawing it. He's the new Harry Redknap, right? He is. He is exactly what England needed because the last, the, the fleetry boys needed somebody to replace Harry Redknap and Tim Sherwood, he gives them a tour of the years of Harry Redknap again. And I, it's just like, do you remember that cell pack episode around Britney Spears and the island and go, it's okay. We've got this one coming along and it's like, kind of Montana, whatever it was, it's like Tim Sherwood is the next Harry Redknap. It's fucking, it's spectacular. You just have to sit, sit back and laugh now. Well, how does he, he doesn't make me laugh now as well? How bollocks he looks. Yeah. It's like he has much sticks in his voice and keeps them up. How is he, he needs to be sleeping at all. I don't remember when he was a player looking so bollocks. He's trying to figure out how the fuck he got there. That's like, it's not easy being Timmy in France. What does win race go out now? Ah, scummy. One five. That's true. One five. Just four. One five plus four drawn. 57% right. Oh, well. Don't tell you what. That'll come back out again. I mean, to be, to be fair, they, he said them up well yesterday. They had a sense of, as Andy already talked about, they were up for it, right? Yeah. I mean, it was, it's an easy team talk, particularly for the underdog, it's a fucking easy team talk. You say, lads, this is fucking Liverpool. You go and run out of them, they're shit themselves. You see what you were describing there. First of all, we Joe on the sideline, warm up, and I'm looking at that guy, God, he's fucking taking a piss. Then you talk about the BT hugs and, and going back and lapping up. It's the tear of the absurd, the whole fucking thing was ridiculous. Well, it was ridiculous. And like, not only that then, just before the match ends, everything has fallen away. They and Lovren's taking shots from 45 yards. I'm not aiming for it. Trev, what the fuck are you doing talking about Lovren's shot now? I was just getting over it. I was just started to come around, that would have been a bit of a laugh when you talked about that. I'm not able for it. I could not believe it. Well, it's his right foot. When he did that, no one went over and gave him a box in the nose. So fucking right. The players are as bad as him. Fucking right. That sounds accepted. That's a very good point. That's a very good point. Not only, like, Jared of all people should have went over and absolutely not. Only Jared has a right to do that. It was a character when he did that again for the first time. I mean, the entire team should have turned around and bollocks Lovren out of it for that. That was actually, I actually thought he had an okay game. Far from the Hollywood balls that he kept hitting us. Fucking long. But you know, fucking, he was trying stuff. He was fucking. You can't boil it down to an individual, because they were all a cluster fuck. Yeah. That team was just like, let's move on with the machine. Let's do that again. Let's remember. Right. That villa lost their third choice, sent to half during the game and put on their fourth choice, sent to half. It's fucking villain. And we still had one shot on target. It's Timmy. It's Timmy. The power from the goal, which was fucking Jared's free cake. Ah! Yes. I mean, come on. Yeah. That's how bad it was. Pretty others. Not coming out here. To go back to Timmy. He's living the dream, man. He's living the dream. He's living the dream. I mean, I mean, you do kind of have to go off a fox, you're like, you know, they probably also get relegated, but you know, wouldn't mind them beating ourselves. He's built in a reputation. Easy, yeah. Christ. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get out of this. Jesus Christ. Who even have games in the way, who are we playing in the weekend? West Brom. Telling you for computers. We're getting me arsed to you with a horrible, horrible away game. Oh, yeah. Back to back. Proxy horrible managers. Ah. It's going to be a horrible. Like, if you think the season's over, Neil, wait, you see it, it's all the game after it. It's a whole game after it. It's a whole game after it. Steve Bruce made this. Does a hint of fucking your man general off Steve Bruce at this stage? Yeah. Don't tell you what, don't tell me. Don't tell me what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take a dozen fucking... I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Is this actually pretty good? This guy was close. He's going to have to talk to me about this, right? See that? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Deva Trev is back. Oh, no. We're not following it. It's a joke. I'm not actually happy with that. This is a joyous gesture. But you know what's going to happen the weekend? Go on, tell me. They're just going to run us. Yeah. Right? Yeah. There's going to be depression on an older show. Big lads run us. Just big lads. Running us. Run us, right? Somebody has to get in there and say, "Listen, he's Dolby Pollock says, 'If city continues to be shit, you could still manage to somehow fluke into the top floor.' The top floor. The top floor. Right? Yeah, the VIP section. We might get this lift working and fucking get you into the top floor. But you see it, what I don't want to see now is, no matter what the fuck is going on in the dressing room, no matter where the fucking heads are, it's not beach time, it's not end of season time, pride and fucking heart. That's all I want to see to see some of you. Well, some of them kids you'll imagine. Now you are. What about that? Don't give a box. What I want to see is, I do not want to see Glenn Johnson on the football pitch again. I do not want to see Steven drive on the football pitch again. He can have five minutes in the last game, but he'll play every game and he'll play 90 minutes of every game from here to the end of the season. You are. Right? I do not want to see. All I want to see is, right to the end of the season, mad, pacey attack. Trow is many fast attackers as you can on the pitch. I was going to be straight back into it. Has to be. Has to be. What a fucking poxy decision that was to let him play in the turret round by the way in January. No, but again, again, he was coming back, brown and back as he was playing. No, I'm probably not back then. It seemed to come out on I reckon they thought they'd leave him there for the season. Yeah. Yeah, they did. And you know, like, if I was, to be honest, I think I've come back so early in preparation for a sterile and gone. Jesus. Jesus. Not to that. Everyone will kill themselves. You know, well, there has to be, sorry, but he has to be planning ahead, you know. But if he's playing ahead, don't fucking sub Markovitch at half time every fucking game because if certain does go, does go, Markovitch is the player we're going to need to kick on. Pointless plan. So again, clearly club. Fuck. Clearly going to be club. Against West Brom. I want to 100m sprint on Friday, videoed, right? Yeah, and the fastest. Whoever the fastest fuckers are. The fastest head. Start. Yeah. Quick lads. Quick lads. Actually, the fastest noise. We play Lucas. Look, here's the reality. Here's the reality of it, right? This game is the biggest game of my brain, the Rogers career. Oh, come on. No, it is. No, it is. It probably is. It's personally, personally, this is the biggest game he's ever going to have. If he got, if Liverpool have beat on the seasons, we feel a lot of fans feel is dead now. Probably is. But if they lose against West Brom, follow and go on down there like he could be sacked in the morning. Exactly. I see where you're going. So from that perspective, whereas if he hangs in and they come close to fourth, do you think there might be some? Well, if we win six games, let's put the total positive spin on this, right? If we win six games, we end up with 74 points, right? I think there's an argument he could keep. I think that strengthens his argument to keep his job if he finishes this game. Over the period of time he's been there as a whole. Right. But if he finishes with 67 points and we finish fifth or sixth, I don't see how we win. I don't see how we win. That's why his criteria, as far as when he was giving all that money and the agreement is you get Champions League football, that's what it is. Now, if they lose against West Brom, that's it pretty much over, especially if you were to win. Yeah. That's it. Gone. Okay. Same as when it had that agreement where Moias, that if they didn't make Champions League, he was gone. So they were, bang. The minute it was mathematically impossible, bang on. So all the sudden, what's the point in hanging on to him at that stage? And what's the point in the game? What is that? I don't know. I'm going full past off. Past golf is a game. Past hills on the forehead. And then just see what the crack is. We're clubbing. So the fact that he has to win this game is going to tell us an awful lot about him. Right. Because to Phil's point. Jared starts. If Johnson starts, you know, if Lamba gets near the pitch, you know, if these things happen. Even in the stand to watch the game, I think, because I think Danny's point, I think probably at the beginning of the season, FSG sat down with him and said, okay, look, you know, like most businesses or most people, we said you some targets. They probably said them something like a points target rather than a place target, but maybe a points or a place target. But I imagine they would have said him some targets around things like the number of goals we wanted to score because they like attacking football. I had imagined they've said to him, we wanted to win a trophy, get out of the group stage of the Champions League. So we didn't get out of the group stage of the Champions League. We didn't win a trophy. We're not going to score enough goals. So the really only thing he's got left to give legitimacy to him stay in is that he's going to hit the points. Look at you with all your football-based performance. But this is how they won the win for less. Yeah, this is how they won the business. There's nothing vaguely related to the business there, though, because none of those things directly equate to money. Well, it did, because of the Champions League, you said so on a points target, so if you said so on a points target of say, 76 points and you look over the last 10 years, 76 points is enough to get you into the top four, nine out of 10 seasons. You were talking about this sort of nirvana of goals scoring and happy days and getting out of, as you say, get out of the group and into the next stage. The difference there is... It's small. No, I'm saying there are business numbers. There are primary KPIs in the second week. Oh, here we go. Primary key performance indicators, which are things like qualifying for the Champions League, getting out of the Champions League group stage and winning a trophy. And then they have secondary things, which are the drivers of those. So the drivers are things like the number of goals you score, the number of goals you concede, the number of players, I don't know, whatever it is, there's things that you build in underneath it. My point is we've missed all of them, right? Except... No KBOs for us. Except potentially coming within a close approximation of the points target, it's my roundabout way of saying, "F is G, you're not going to fire him because they've given him one arbitrary target, which is top four. It's got to be an accumulation of other things." Like any big corporation or KBO, is they set in possible targets? Well, they set stretch targets, yeah. Well, sometimes they're not smart targets, Andy. Well, that's your challenge. It's true. It's true. It's true. That's your challenge. If they're not attainable... If they're not attainable... They're not a big business. They're not a big business. They're not a big business. They're not a big business. They're not a big business. They're not a big business. They're not a big business. No, they're not a big business. They don't just have to turn up. Things like, you know? But anyway, getting back right. We love the unions. If, if... Vote blood cream you. A new problem, stretch targets. Obviously, you probably have a little team below yourself. They can. [LAUGHTER] There's a few minions in the video. So, you know, you use the lingo well there for fair play. [LAUGHTER] Put it on a possible tag. It's okay. But they're not impossible. Well, sometimes they aren't. But they're not. Rogers has a very... If it's an impossible target. Rogers has a very difficult job. Imagine being told that you haven't palletally unknown. I mean, give it up. They've got the fucker over. Like, I mean, he's got... But he's got 95%. But I don't think club's going to be... 95% of managers get told that. 95% of managers in Europe get told there's your players. 95% of them have no say. Have no say in recruitment. 95% of managers. What percent did you get fucking lumber with palletally? [LAUGHTER] Okay. So you... Okay, if we're really going to do the palletally things, you've got two choices there, right? You say, "Okay, this is what I've got. I've got to design something that's going to get the best out of him." Or you say, "Fuck him. I'm never going to play him and I'm going to design something that gets the best without him." And we've been caught in this halfway house. Oh, it seems to be a horrible fucker. Maybe horrible now to not play the fellow. I mean, he probably, like, obviously palletally, like, Rogers, like, any farm would have looked up and says, "Okay, maybe he can't offer something." And he did play him and he played him with storage at the beginning of the story. To be fair, you're making a value point. I'm not saying Rogers is the only one that's failed. Yeah. There are legitimate... Like, if Rogers loses his job, he's not the only one who should lose his job there. Yeah. You know, members of the recruitment team should be restructured or lose their job as well, because I'm sure they've got primary capabilities. [LAUGHTER] But the owner's ambition seems to me like, you know, let's just invest enough in this club that will get them into the Champions League and we can kind of increase the value of the club. This is your theory before. They're building slowly and then they're going to sell off to a big fucking... Yeah, like, we're all... As fans, we are the main Champions League football. We are the main, the big nights that aren't failed. And we demand titles and silverware and all. That's not really their agenda. Like, it's been lovely, I'm sure, because to be all of our in England and Jollies all the time and seeing the team win. But like, realistically, they just want to see the bank books grow. And then eventually, it's a much better sale or asset. But I'm doing the same things though. I mean, even if you're right, even if what they want is for the club to be worth more. And to do that, we have to get into the Champions League. That's what we want, right? It's a means to an end. You can't win the league without getting into the Champions League. Yeah, with a lot of things in common. Yeah. But we have a lot of things that not so much in common. The reason I don't agree is because I think that whoever buys the club is going to have to run it in exactly the same way. Because FFP doesn't allow someone to come in and spend a billy about. So, whoever, whether it's FSC or they sell to some oil guy, he can't come in and I don't care. That's what we call him in the trade. They can't come in and do a man's city of that. Not a man's city, they can't spend any money. Okay, can we just segue from FSC's FFP analysis under KPIs? That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Trying to get these fucking shut up with the business jargon. Predictions for the West Brom match because we have to at least pretend that we give a fuck. Andy, West Brom, how do you say it going? I really want to just say, we're going to win. Boy, can't the league want our smelly one? A smelly one. Lovely class. Dave, what are you thinking? I mean, I want us to win. I always want us to win, you know, I think we'll win. But I'm probably the most conflicted about, you know, where we are than I have been in probably three seasons. So, you know, I'm kind of feeling like, I don't want us to just be in limbo. You know, I don't want us to just, like, whatever decision gets made at the end of the season, I want it to be something, you know, the club I committed to and we talked about it earlier. Roger stays. I mean, he really is their man, but other things have to change. So, I think we'll win, but I'm not excited about it. I'm not looking forward to it. I don't think I'll be, it's not going to be skipping down the street if we win. It's just, I just feel like season's done. It's kind of an early over. I still think, I think for the first time I can't see a win, Phil. I think we win comfortably. Oh, fuck's sake. Cool. That'll do. Jinx does it every time he said that. I am Lujouari. You are listening to Trippin's Chat. With Trevor. Smell of snots. You really are a twat. You know that. Like, I mean... Still me heading. I'm trying to... Silicon is probably the closest I can get to it as a similar smell. Snots? Yeah. How do you... How? I don't know. Smell-less. Smell-less. They know the smell in your nose. You know how to call... The smell in your nose. All of the smells in your nose. It's like a carrot snot out, right? And then there's a residual smell in your nose. And it's like, what is that smell? And it's like, it's like a vinegary sort of... Is it your finger, yes, man? I don't know. Smell in your nose. I have taken it out, right? But it's like... What is that smell? I don't know. When I was down the bathroom, I had the silicone. And I was like... Jeez. That smell... Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, that's kind of a sharp. Yeah, there's a real sort of vinegary... I don't get that right. I can't wait. I didn't think there was a smell of snot myself. But about your... Maybe you just snitched it. Maybe you just snitched it. You know, when I've been doing an awful lot of lately, actually, just maybe... Watching videos of, like, things like big fucking blackheads being pulled out. There's one video there, actually, of big huge snot. Like, the doctor has to go in with an instrument to remove a snot that's so fucking big. Now, like a Kobe in a foreign object or something like that, but it actually does look like a snot. And then on YouTube, it leads you on to it. You're doing this for recreational purposes, can I just clarify that? This is the fucking public snot. That's his KPI. This is on me all the time, all right? Fuck you. That's like, gladly, give up my fucking child benefits right now. Brilliant. No, like, it's mad, but, you know, YouTube, suggest the video. Then it's someone fucker having the biggest load of air wax being pulled into... In our air, like, it's mental. And, like, none of you is due to this. Like, it's so disgusting. But at the same time, it's so like, you're like... You place yourself in the video, like, under relief. Like, I can just imagine, like, just a couple of bufflers in the sky. Oh, the buffler is amazing. They're talking, like, you know, in America, the way you need health insurance, otherwise they won't go near you. So, like, they're doing their operations out. So, the child of video's up. But, like, they're removing bufflers, like... And you can see the fucking thing, like, moving and all of this. But, like, then it comes out, and you're just thinking, "Jesus Christ, that person must just feel so relieved now." And it's the same, like, with big huge absences as our fucking... Yeah, I've seen the absences on there, like, the squeeze that... That's because it's changing, so they're going... And it's huge. 'Cause some of it, they hit the videos, like, where... I saw the thing, the audience in the video that are there, like, I saw the script and they're like, "I can smell it!" I'm just there, like, you can actually nearly smell it yourself, watching it. I don't know, I'm sure, big use, obviously, don't watch these movies. Lately, like, I just watched them. But it's... It's mad. Yeah, not on the day I used to have the last season of my last season, I'd be watching videos of Suarez, All His Goals and his nutmeg and all, and he'd be fucking laughing. And then there, like, Tara is a few years ago. I used to watch every time he scored another goal, I'd watch every goal all season when I started to finish. And, like, you know, I tried to go on there during the night, and watch Catenio best tricks and skills all season. And I ended up just getting so... like, I love Catenio, but he got so pissed off with... That lapses was a better option. I went on, and I looked down. It's gone. He said, "Dan, and, you know, all these other players that make you really happy." And then I was like, "I'm just so sick they don't play for Liverpool." And other buff lawyers and fucking... LAUGHTER I was saying, last season, like, you'd win. Like, I'd watch every game back. Like, I'd watch goal rush, all the goals for the season. Oh, yeah. And this season, well, actually, through us, funny, the echo, who are basically the most pieces of the club, right? They've just done an article. And they've picked out only seven games all season where we've played well. Seven. Well, there's definitely two games. I think the buff lawyers is the way to go. Let's go to this one from Ali Thompson. He's asking, Andy, you're your YouTube expert. Have you seen the rock lip sync, Tetterswift? The rock doing the lip sync to Tetterswift, have you seen that? The rock? Yeah. And it says, basically, what would be your lip sync of choice if you could lip sync Danny once on and pop yourself up there in YouTube next to the abscess removal? Yeah, I didn't say that video, but it's the rock donut. It's the rock donut, it's the rock. That's another thing on YouTube. That's another thing on YouTube. Go over stuff to rock interviews, you know, whether it's just before he goes out to fight, or, you know, after fights, or when he's in the ring and off. An absolute comedy legend. Fall is fucking crazy with a fellow brilliant, but what song would I like to be? Would you lip sync? Would I like to lip sync to? Yeah, and the ideas. Um, Michael Jackson on Baden. Yeah, don't know how that shit went around. Oh, would you? The dancing and everything. Yeah, you'd throw a few shapes, would you? Yeah, yeah. Like you'd tilt in your hat, no, that shit. Oh, yeah. No way, I'm a fan of that. He doesn't want to have to have an answer. You're a decent dancer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well now. Next week. Next week on Periscope. I mean, I'm so glad I'm talking about vocals and everything. Fucking meerkat here. He's bad. This is fucking great. Big time. We'll do it that way. We'll do it that way. Yeah. Yeah, I won there, Dave. Watch your calling. This is going to be good. The break down some championships. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. The break down some loin of a home to do over. Loin of? Yeah. I don't know. We do a marble. Oh, yeah. I used to do the house. So were you in a crew, Andy? Were you in a crew? No, I was a solo trainer. Yeah. Been a lingo, Dave. Been a lingo. So you just go out and just go by yourself. Clear out lads. That's my song. Watch out. Oh. There's a bastard carrying the marble there. Dance floor. I'll be on that one. Look for marble. Yeah. Oh, this is a revelation between you and your hip-hop days. And Andy's no break down. So this is mad stuff. Yeah. This is mad stuff. Yeah, I'm going to show a few videos up. I'd absolutely love to see that. Please, Dave. No problem. Anything by Taylor Swift or Paul Brennan? Because I know how much he loves Taylor Swift. So anything by Taylor Swift would be great because she's fantastic. What you'd like to do, just to wind Paul up? Yeah. Like her entire backyard. Basically me singing it and Paul forced to listen to it. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. Phil, I know you love a lip sync. Yeah, I probably do. Remember snows and farmer? Yes. Oh God, right? Why? Because you can make up anything. Okay. I see where you're going with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't have to remember stuff is what you're saying. No. Like last week when you did the stuff at the end three times. Yeah. Okay. I spent like Sean Paul. I never know what he said either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I could do that. I probably get away with the snow one as well. I remember years ago, right? We did. We did a new manager come into the club, you know. He was very serious. Like we were just, you know, used to just love going for points after the matches. But he came in. He was very serious. Phil was going out the night before and all that. So he said, you know, training, if anyone comes up smelling like Aragon, they're not playing and all that. He'd be fucked out of the club, this, that, and the other. So long by all, the Saturday night before one of the games. And we wasn't playing. We wasn't playing in the forest team. And we were saying to one of the lads after forest team, you know, damn. Yeah. You know, we're Aragon Hill. Come on in. I can't. I can't hear. Oh, man. You know, he's supposed to do so. He says, come on in. We're going to tell you. Anyways. So, uh, got me made his phone half a big fire in the morning. And, uh, we just text the manager. Just saying just to, you know, for me. That, uh, damn it all goes out on the piss. So, uh, then rang him far far in the morning to tell him. Ring the manager. No, rang. So, uh, I left a voicemail of being on info. That's so clean. So, the next morning, he's open to match. Like fresh as a daisy. Fucking walks into the dressing room in Whistlin. Next thing you manager. So, I want the word. And he says, don't you outlast me? No. Haven't I clearly? Haven't I couldn't even listen to his voicemail at these days? That was your fucking word. Let me smell that breath. Wow. Fucking not having you. You were outlast me. I'm about to get in fuck. And I was like, what's going on? So, uh, he played anyway, but then he found a voicemail and I played it to the manager. Fucking bollock a nigga. But he realized where our fucking jackass is then he just fucking gave me your own manager. This is a drinking culture. I'm off. We should try that there. For triple chance next week, we should just get one topic and see if Andy's got a story about it. Fucking snows in form. There's actually a future. But that's true. Like, that's a true star. You don't want to be able to dance it on the mat. That's natural. No way. You didn't carry me that far. That's the box. We better clarify. Is the cheese fella true. He's true. Yeah. Oh, because the paper... We're trying to line up an interview with him. [laughter] Oh. Oh. That's what we'll do in a matter of you next week. We'll just get the cheese fella in. It's okay. It's okay. It's just the life. The cheese fella. I know he was saying, like, the one of the lads. Is the scratch one of me? Is he a big yonder now? Or has he got some sort of... He's surely like... He'd be sick. No, apparently he's flying. He's grounded. He's fucking going around. He's walking away. He's still eating. Still eating. Still eating. Still eating. [laughter] Fucking magic. Noting the magic. This fucking arteries must be like fucking... Cheese. Come on. Seriously, my boy. My bar boy. [laughter] - Funny story is about Audrey's. (laughing) - Doesn't have to be true. - I don't know what to do. (upbeat music) ♪ In forma ♪ ♪ You know, said I don't snow me, I go playin' huh ♪ ♪ I lookin' for my mom down ♪ ♪ I lookin' for my mom down ♪ ♪ I lookin' for my mom down ♪ (laughing) - I would say. (laughing) - I said that'll be a good idea, don't it? (singing in foreign language) ♪ I lookin' for my mom down ♪ ♪ I lookin' for my mom down ♪ (laughing) (singing in foreign language) (laughing) (laughing) - Yeah, so. (laughing) (laughing) - That's, that's terrifying. (laughing) - Admin. (laughing) - Thanks to Astro Park. You can find them at Astro Park, do I eat? They're great. (laughing) (laughing) Get on to the Anfield index podcast channel. Let's add A.L.P. channel on Twitter. We're there. And your day trip was tonight, we're snow. (laughing) It was just doin' some fuckin' no perfect rapper. (laughing) Ali Young, Dave Thomas. No, I'm a son. - Yeah, no, no, no, no. (laughing) (laughing) - Fuck sake. (laughing) - Fuckin' Sunday lads, I swear to God. I had the Liverpool match on, and I had the lens to hit a long game on, and I was like, they're gone. - What a shit day. - Oh, they're gone. This is, dude. - Oh, yeah. - I might've even hit the penalty, and I hit it, the fuckin' upright was there gone. - Ah, sweet Jesus. - But you know what happened at the very end? - After Liverpool lost, after Leicester lost, I switched it over, and Harry Kane scored. (laughing) - I didn't even know that. - Oh, fuck sake, it was awful. - What? - You're from Leicester, yourself. (laughing) - He just told his car bomb. (laughing) - Where do you go? - Both are in the landscape, and you're fine. - Every time you predict, we win. - Well, he can't answer, but she was doin'. 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After the debacle of Wembley we welcome Trev back to hosting duties along with Phil, Andy and Dave to discuss whats gone on. We look at the bigger picture as to what this game threw up and ask the question on Brendan’s long term future. We also have guests in the studio Caroline McGuigan and Tony Browne to tell us about the upcoming charity match between the Liverpool Legends and Borough Legends for the Suicide or Survive charity http://www.suicideorsurvive.ie/liverpool-legends-to-play-charity-match-for-suicide-or-survive/ . Its a great interview and a great occasion for all this weekend. We end as always with our weekly trippers chats and a special guest helping out with the admin.
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