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The waistland of an international Fortnite is no place for those of us who crave proper football. Even the sadness of souls can move their way in when faced with only mid-week hodgeball. But at least it was good practice for the barren summer of tournament-free transfer golf that lies ahead. We had at least the pleasant destruction of the Stevie extravaganza and all the emotion that seemed to bring with it. So we'll reflect on that, and the new self-ignited inferno over Raheem's contract, but really we're all about Arsenal on Saturday and the FA Cup game to follow against Blackburn. After the sterling efforts of Phil and the host chair last week, I'm about to tread with Denny. I'll be joined to talk football and nonsense and equal measure by Paul Brennan and the young and the aforementioned Captain Casey. Let's take a look back at the Stevie extravaganza at the weekend. It was an interesting watch, and I'll fast up immediately. I didn't see the match myself live, but I saw highlights afterwards. And I know you were kind of wall-to-wall watching the build-up and all the rest of it. How were your sentimentality levels when you were watching it? Any way I rest about seeing Alanza or Tara's reign in Garcia, was it too soon to see his Suarez? Stuff like that. As Paul's when they started talking about it a couple of months back, I was thinking you know, you're thinking of all these players coming back and it interests you. And then you lose interest thinking that's a lot of shit, you know, it's not the match. I think most people are like that. But then all of a sudden, the night before it, there was loads of tweet in the build and loads of excitement and loads of interviews from Alanza and different, and Pepe. So here I was. I'll give this a watch, fucking, and then I'm up more and then I was going for it. Got really into it like, you know, because it was a lot of tweet. Now they just started to pack the negativity of the whole thing. Negativity. What's the point of being cynical about it? Let's give this a bash and, you know, fuck it like, Tara's and the like gave us a lot of happy memories. So I'll just see what it's like and I'll enjoy it. And I have to say, it was brilliant and fair play to the club for the on such a thing. There's not many clubs that will be able to pull off something like that in an international break with all them big players, like big names and carry out so well. It was a competitive match as well. It was a great idea not to just have the Lucy Kenny and all the way running around. You know, actually lots who could have come who didn't seem to feature who would have been able to play and stuff like that. There was a lot of names match. Yeah, I was wondering, I was wondering like, you know, where it looks hippie was and that, you know, third, there was what I play, you know, you hear all these players when they're being interviewed saying, oh, won't Stevie ask me like, yeah, I was, I was, there was no shorting. I was going to be there. Yeah. So what have you, who, who said no? That's the best. That's the best story. Yeah. But on that, like you said, like, there's not many clubs could do it. You know, we are sentimental a lot like us. Yeah. We can be the worst part, you know, always standing somewhere in between the most cynical of assets and LFC family for a life. Yeah. Then I would see the golden bolts up like I said, I see, I see the whole LFC family thing as a bit embarrassing sometimes, but then what harm, what harm is somebody they own by being a lover to pass players and being a lover to club and having an idea in their head that it is the perfect club and then you can step away from all that and you can pick holes and everything. But those, you know, good as a fan, they're just going to annoy you if you pick holes and all the good. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because there's no bad about football at the moment. But I think, well, Liverpool brings the, well, brought the football there was, was the best of it. Yeah. You know, the weekend there. I, I, I did you find that that was the overall, the feeling was like just kind of this warm, gooey sentimentality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say that I pump money. Even there, even the, the footage, I'd say they're using cameras like that being a fuck they'll bring. Yes. Yeah. You know, it's very, very, very silly. No, it's dirty. It's a bit of that. But I know it was a, it was a little bit, anyway, watch that, watch the most of it. But it was only, you know, about one pound pass. Yeah. So you only got the year before, then the match. And then it was like, everyone was interviewed afterwards. Yeah. You know, it was deadly seeing Suarez being interviewed in Torres and, you know, Alonzo's class. Well, actually on that then, Paul, the question I kind of started off with when Andy was, like, I mean, was it too soon for you to, to be looking at the wee Suarez parade around the field again? And off a lot of people badly stung by him, leaving them. Or the likes of Valonzo, and a lot of people, like the opposite to what Andy was saying, are very cynical about all this Alonzo love, and, you know, you see it all over Twitter all the time, don't you? People just go, "I showed up," like, you know? Yeah. So I was, I was fairly cynical coming up to, like, when I first heard about the Chari again, I was like, "Oh, yeah, that could be good." And like, there was, it just reached saturation levels the few days before. So I was just kind of like, "Nah, fuck that. I'm not even bothered watching it." And I actually had to play in a match while it was on. Right. So I was missing out. I wasn't that bothered. And then I was, I kind of got home. I looked into it. It was actually, like, you say, was it too soon to see Suarez? The thing there made me say, "I'll try and look for highlights," I was. And someone said, "I can't believe Suarez has died." Actually, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Not really that, obviously it was, it was horrible losing Suarez, but it wasn't kind of like, "I don't hate him for going or anything like that." So now, there was nothing too raw about seeing him again. And I thought, yeah, it was a nice touch seeing the likes of Alonzo and Raina and Risa. Like, I know that people were mad about Risa and I was like, "What the fuck is he doing?" Like, actually, or whatever. Did you read Risa's blog? Risa, I mean, you can't fail to be a little bit touched after that. I have a lot of time for Risa, because he's one of the only players who ever got sold. And kind of, when he talks about it, he's kind of like, "It's kind of my fault I got sold." He knows he was shooting in his last season, and he said he should have stayed and fought for his place, because he even said, one of his other blogs, he said, "What was I thinking?" He said, "I've got a lot of time for someone who has that kind of, that self-critical read, and it wasn't just sitting there going, "Oh, Benita's fucked me out." Yeah, brilliant self-awareness for that. And even a fellow who's selling his blog, you're one and only ginger, or whatever. I'm like, "Yeah, that's that's that's cool." Yeah, that was a bit LFC. Yeah, I know, I thought it was decent all around the card. I didn't get too excited by it, but I was a bit cynical in the day or two leading up to it. But I ended up watching it back and kind of enjoyed it, so... It got knocked a bit of crack, I was still, you're an LFC family signed up member there. Yeah. You're a... Yeah. It was about this idea sentimentality. And like, if you don't want, yeah, I know you'll want to talk about Suarez, but to serve a purpose that match, and sort of maybe, you know, mend it a few fences amongst the Torres and that, that was quite a lot of the water. For me, that was the overwhelming thing. It was finally, the final nail in the Rafa era. It was a chance for us to say goodbye to all the, you know, the Rafa players, all the ones that are here, every summer. Maybe you land, they'll be going home, maybe Torres, maybe we'll go to Torres home, maybe, you know, you know, all that type of stuff, finally, that's gone, right? And we can move on, and move on fresh, and I think that's really what that game's served to do. Like, I know everyone keeps mentioning that it was another Stevie game or whatever. It wasn't. That was the end of the old rain. That was the, that was the sort of sunset on the shadow of Benitez that said over the club, and my only, my only disappointment on it was that, you know, Benitez wasn't one of the managers. No, I love Roy Evans. Don't get me wrong, but whatever I ever see in Rafa Benitez, Roy Evans as the two managers on the day, and have Brendan there, and you know, just, just because that, you know, they were, they were great managers, and it was great times. Was Rafa even there? I don't think so. Paco, Paco. I was there. He was in Liverpool anyway, because we made him we met in the air part, and I don't know whether he was just fluing around and doing a big shot. Can I come in? No. Can I come in? No. You might be in there as a spectator. Yeah, but it's quite surprising he wasn't there. Maybe his Roy is assistant or something like that, you know. But, you know, with all those players, because like, if you think about all the big names that was there, you had Alonso, you had Raina, you were able to lower, you had Torres, you had Gerard even, you had Dork, you had Jay Speer, Jay Speer, and yeah. Coy didn't play, him and him. Coy didn't play, Dork would be playing. That was a shame, Dork, yeah. Well, but, you know, they were all players that are synonymous with the Roy. Can I talk a penalty show over half time? Dork, you did? Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. Did he miss? Well, didn't show. So, hang on. Did he go full Tari and Tog out, and when he's there at the end, his kit, was he? You guys, they won. With shin guards and everything. Right. And that, for me, that's what I said, it was great to say, you know, you don't normally, you don't get to say goodbye to the players that, you know, whose time at the club you totally enjoyed. I know people say, "Oh, we didn't even travel, we didn't really travel, we were doing whatever, but look." Got the two European Cup finals. Yeah, it was particularly. Finished runners up in the league. They won a league up, they won an FA Cup, you know, if you think of all the areas that we've had since the last time we won the league, that was the one that you always felt were probably closest to winning the league and are going to be challenging or going to be challenging in Europe. They were the best team in Europe. You know, in the year that we last Milan in the final efficiency. Yeah, seriously, that's how good of a side we became with those players. So for me, that was the biggest thing. It was a great chance to say goodbye to them. With Torres in particular, wasn't it? I mean, even the words from him afterwards, he was a pretty touch producer. You know, I don't think he was expecting it, he looked very wary at the start. I would have fucking broke some now when he was leaving and sticking the knife in his back and the whole, you know what I mean? Because it just, I thought it was terrible. You know, fairness. A verb you just invented to Brutus. Yeah. That was the best. That was the best. It was a fucking aggressive work down there. I don't know. It's just been lessened than you do in Europe, you're actually. How come you don't do that good analysis you did in the other AIO pods there? Yeah, yeah. Come on, man. I told you. It's old scale moments. I just go into it. I lose myself. Come on, anyway. So you can get your Brutus to them, man. Yeah. I want a Brutus to Torres back when he left. Well, like, now, come on back and the things he said, look, I think we all know as a person Torres hasn't been as happy as he was when he was at Liverpool, right? And you could see it in the way, especially in his football, right? And you could see that he was happy to be back and everything like that. And what at the same time, when you stand back from a very cold and you look at what he did after he left the club and the trophies he won, you know, one of his things when he left was that he wanted to go win trophies and he didn't feel he was going to do it at Liverpool. I mean, he always claims as well that there's his side of the story and he's not gone. You know, he won't say what it is. So, you know, for me, it was close in that end and it was nice to see him back. It was great that he got a reception. And I know there's a question about the crowd and, you know, again, loads of songs, loads of noise. It's just a pity that it's not like that all the time, you know what I mean? I always think it's gas. Sometimes we're scared to sing songs about old players and just be quiet when, in fact, it's better to have loads of noise even if it's a relevant noise. Once it's just an atmosphere that's constantly there. That's awesome. Yeah. And, like, yeah, we finally got the money shot of Gerard Torres and Suarez in the frame together, like, in match action, and it looks like something's happening. It's the one where... It looks like he's nuts and Lucas, Lucas is like the legs are wide open. Gerard's about to go and run and Suarez is... I don't know. He's trying to buy some dress. But he's just there and it's just, you know, it's the what if. You know, we'll always have that picture is the what if. The sweetener about, like, you know, how Torres went to Chelsea and that, but the sweetener is we got 50 million and he was a, a broken player. Yeah. Like, he was not used to us anyway. No. So it didn't really matter where he went. Okay. He went to a fucking horrible club and all that. Yeah. But he, he went to me at Antibiche and we all got to laugh over it. So that was the sweetener. Yeah. And with Suarez, it's just like, he left in his prime, but he went to Barcelona. Mm-hmm. So you can completely forgive him straight away. Sweet and sorry. You know, we did with the 50 million, so... Yeah. That was the only half of the 50 million. Well, that's, well, that's completely how Torres is controlled. Yeah, you know. But at the same time, the other thing is like, you know, you get great sound voice that makes us feel happy again. Like Suarez said that if he ever comes back to England, he'll only come back to Liverpool. Yeah, like that's what... Yeah, no, I'm here on the show. But you know what? I'm here on the show. I'm here on the show. And you were saying that was the final nail in the Vanita's coffin. This Suarez coffin is open now. It is. That's every... That's stayed open. That's right. That's right. That's right. He was so like, he was like, he was like, he was so... He was so obviously like, he was just doing it for the Stevie. Yeah. He was just for the Stevie. Did you see the actual interview? I was just reading. I just read it. Yeah. I don't know. Like it was bad. He was just saying that there were a portion of a portion of it. But he came back to... No, no. He came back to England. He came back to England. He came back to England. We put it in a bus, right? Yeah, yeah. The bus was only up to Liverpool. It was important. I know. And he just started selling them on his breath. They had the only... Yeah, movie. At least. At least. At least. Horrors was a bare-faced fucking lawyer. He tried to convince her. Yeah. I thought there was gloss. It's smashing. There's... It's where there's a day one was up front and honest. Yeah. You know, I don't know if I... I don't want to play for a bar. So I want to do this. So I want to do that. I don't know. I don't know. Not to jump ahead of your agenda. But that's relevant when we start coming out to talk about Stairland as well. Well, yeah. Well, we will. But just to see how this little topic, because I do want to talk about one or two more things. I mean, as a man who started Matching 4, did it seem to you as a fitting send-off for Stevie? Let's take the whole charity aspect over from there. It was basically the Stevie show. So, did it seem like that's it? No, it didn't. It can't... It like, it come across more or less about Stevie as the match went on. Yeah. You know, the fans didn't spend the whole day singing about Jared as if it was his good boy. Yeah. It was... It was far from his testimonial. Yeah, we were. Yeah, we were. Now, we don't know what happened. It is so humble that he doesn't want the testimonial and he just wants it to be... What do you have to do? Want it to be done, Roy? Did he? Yeah. That's... I can't tell him Piacos. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, okay. So, he's got his testimonial. So, he doesn't want... It didn't want to be a big scene. It was so clear it wasn't about him anyway. I forgot to be with that testimonial. Yeah. But it was so clear he didn't want it to be about him. It was just... It was about the charity and everybody was there for the gold of... Some people didn't know it or they didn't know it. Terry didn't know it. No, he had to breathe. He was like... Terry was just eyes up for a game of blood. It was like a game of blood. He was like... What's Terry there? Because, like, I mean... He was... He shot some wonder around it, changing where he was afterwards. And he's basically just jumping into everyone's self. He's going, "Alright!" What was the story? What was the story? Actually, what was the story? Why did you show it all? Why did you show it all? Why did you show it all? Well, he was Charlie Adam there. Because he's great. He's great. He's great. He's great. He's great mate with Pepperana. And he is supposed to be popular. He's just one of the... There were no... Even John Aldrich on the commentary was saying, like, he was referring to him as Charlie. And every time he spoke about him, like, it was like... Even he loved him. Well, Charlie was Kenny's... There were going on the piss afterwards. So, you want to get all the glads here a bit of crack on the piss? There was a man. Scata on there now, wasn't it? Yeah, isn't he, like, a cosign or something? He's just a big old man. It's not that above him. The match, was he? Yeah. Then... Jared's cosign. He started, didn't he? He started, didn't he? Yeah, there was a few, like, shrugless. Mm-hmm. Obviously, they were trying to keep it as quality as they could be playing, getting fellas like a play in a bit of ball as well, like, rather than... They called it Doggo Banchar, at least. (LAUGHTER) Yeah. Well, it is Banchar. You never seen him at all at night, so he's... I just have this feeling he's fat as far as... Like, remember when Palace dug up massively fat, like... Yeah, like, just torn into a ball up, but it was like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Hengele, he was kind of heading towards, putting a few pounds up. He was. He was. He was, yeah. He probably got a full bruise. Look, do you know what? It was great to see on replay. Brilliant. But Hengele was full on the golfer, but, ah, you'll never walk alone. Ah, listen. Ah, listen. But that's because he was probably about the golfer, Liverpool, because he was going to soil for a start year. Oh, yeah. So he was probably just finally getting a new set of the golf that you got. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drag was probably the same. Drag was probably the same. What was drag was there? What? The last person I didn't invite along to a Liverpool match is Dragby. The fuck is real? No, so many times. The fuck is it? The fuck off you? I think that's another thing of the LSE family club. (LAUGHTER) There was people talking about, like, genuinely going, "Jesus, dropping next year with Balotelli." (LAUGHTER) Oh, no. This looks like it could work. Well, actually, there you go. On that, right? To finish. Was anyone else that was a little bit, actually, more annoyed than in twos, but, in fact, Balotelli was good in that match. Ah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? I was more, I was more hurt amused at how shake Glenn Johnson was in that match. That was just spectacular. He wasn't even at the pace of a charity match, I was like, "Oh, I'll give up." Well, Balotelli, he's, look, not only is doubting that the fella has ability, but that's more you feel can problem with him. He's got it there, but he just won't use it properly, he just wanted to blow himself. Like, he's just saying to Sean off on the pitch when it's, you know, there's a little bit of space on the ball, like, you know, not on really closing down, you can just put that ball into the bottom corner, but he's not interested in just pushing himself. Maybe he should just tell him that every game is like a bit of crack. Yeah. It's treating every game like it's the crack, that's what he's getting. He doesn't, if he treated every game was like a bit of crack, you'd get the performance that he was there. Well, no, because he's not able to have that charity invitation against the Arsenal coming up. It's the Emirates Foundation this week, but I mean, there should be a mention, a special mention for it. And Henri has set up for a battle. Yeah. Yeah. He enjoyed that. I mean, ah, yeah. I remember he did that and I think it was a Premier League match and, like, I pissed myself off and was like, "Oh, he did a big mistake." And they showed the replay and was like, "Oh, actually, that's a fucking genius." It was even better than everyone, because he played the ball in. It was that Pele ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He keeps going. Our battle, Jesus Christ, he's now, he's still a shit, isn't it? It was character that he sold as well, it wasn't a character, you know, getting ready to block a shot. What? Who's again? I love battle talking about how, you know, it helps a segue into the next item, which is contracts. You started by starting and, oh, yeah, well, it's a lot of money to be asking. You know, I certainly, I'd play for a lot of that, you know. Yeah. He never wanted to leave. What? Chance. And, you know, with the gas thing, I thought I always had in the back of my head since Brendan has taken over. He's probably the type of player who would have fucking excelled on the Rodgers. The type of player that when he came here, he was a left wing forward at a while because he coached. I would have been, you know, Rafa wanted to turn him into that sort of dork out on the left-hand side. I think Brendan would have wanted him to be just this great, mad fucking enigma in the freezer. I was always, like, just push the ball out, avoid, and then just take a big fucking swinging shot. Everybody in the whole ground now is just a shot coming. Man. Oh, just said that's me on tarts. Thanks, Rafa. Yeah, cheers. It's good with you. You're analysis. You're analysis. We never know. We're right around. [LAUGHTER] The body of the game. Give us your thoughts on libero's, let's not hear any other questions. Let's chat about the big topic of the week, which a lot of petrol poured onto the fire today with the Rahim Sterling situation. Massive statement on an interview, an exclusive interview he did with BBC, which isn't itself quite interesting that he chose to go to the VUC as opposed to the local paper. I won my reading a few bits and pieces from that. We've got a punch in. Before we do. Thanks, man. Before we do, like, I started this off, we said, "What are people losing their shit over Rahim Sterling's contract when none of the information is clear?" That was just before. That was just before. He came out and said what he said, "Now, have we all seen the statement before we start talking about?" Yeah, we hear it, man. Don't worry. Don't worry. You're an initial impression of Andy. Yeah, what? Like... It's a strange one, right? Yeah. I don't know what he's doing. Like, he's tying this all badly, like, "Whatever a built month, live, live, live." That's what he wants to do. You know, what we do at this stage, you know, live a bit of what we're flowing and toward day and games on beat or whatever, and if just being beaten by you, you know, it's not... It's not as far six now going for the top four, and it's a little to a huge game, and he's released a statement like that. I mean, is he taking the piss out of Rahim as everyone? Like, remember the start before Sterling was even kind of, you know, establishing... Like, we knew he was a prospect and all that, and there was the Rogers snippets from trying and like, on there on that tour, like, he was giving them dogs abuse, he was putting them in this place, basically, and it's like, Sterling, in his own head, is now putting Rogers in his place and saying, "We're going fucking deadly now," and one car with shots around here. What is it? How disruptive to him? It is disruptive to him. Yeah, and he's given an interview full of quotes which can be taken out of context. And if they are, for example, he says different bits and pieces about Arsenal and flattery that they are interested in, and with the timing of the match coming up, if those things are taken out of context, they're sending off a lot worse than they actually are, in the context in which they came up, they're maybe not as bad under their couched and other bits and bobs. But, I mean, like, he says he does want to be seen as a money-grabbing 20-year-old, and yet, he does go on and make you have seen this yourself, that if the offer had been made to him back when we were doing really well, then he probably would have said yes, but now he says it's a... What's changed? Exactly. What changes the status of the club and what we're going for by comparison. Gally's nakedly obvious about that, who is that? Maybe if we hadn't assigned Lovren, it might still sound like a contract, or... No, but this is your point, right? He said last summer he would have signed a contract that had been put in front of him, right? That was before we had a horrific start to the season that we've had to go on a wonder run to get back into with a show for Champions League, and his argument is that he wants to win trophies. His focus is on trophies. He's gone away from the money sort of things. Now, for me, we got Sterling, because Sterling wanted to play at the top club, and he was a QPR at the time, as a kid, and he came to Liverpool to make the breakthrough at a top club. Now, this is the thing. If he has that level of ambition, and his agent could have offers on the table from the looks of city and Chelsea, he could even have a say from bottom view of whoever it is. If he thinks that he has a better chance of winning trophies with them, which if we're going to be 100% honest, if you're to stack all the teams up at the start of the season, who's the most likely teams to win the league? City and Chelsea are going to be the fourth two out of the hat, okay? If trophies are what's driving them, and he doesn't feel that we're going to be in a position to challenge for the league title or Champions League, then he is being honest. However, the timing of this couldn't be any worse, and that's my issue with it. He could have done this last week before the charity match, before the England game, right? And it would have been, I'll bear with the charity match and everything like this, that is now nothing that can bear the story before the R&B. The only time to do this, the only time to do this would have been during the summer. If it's a strategy to get more money, generate no, generate interest in it, so he wants options. There might be an offer in the table. It might have been a bit of top and up goal or whatever, and he wants to generate interest. He wants to, without handling a transfer request, he wants to say, come and get me. He could have done it in the summer. The same one's the season was all over, see where we're at, we finished fifth or sixth, trot all out there, nobody's going to blame him, but I haven't even went on to Twitter to see the reaction, but he can guarantee, I don't even need to check, but I'd say there's a lot of hate going on tonight, and if he had it done at the end of the season, yeah, you would have said, fuck it, you know, okay, you little bollocks, you would have been forgiven for it, but I mean, I think he's got, I think he's lost a run of himself. He's still only, well, 20, 21, 20, yeah, and he hasn't even begun to prove himself as a top liar. He's just, he's just a prospect still, he's, you know, it's not a little bit, you would you not say he's at this stage? How many players have we seen a 20 who just went downhill from there that he peaked at 20? You know, so, like, he's been developing, like, lovely, and he's a lot of tanks to Rogers for how he's been developing. Why wouldn't you give Rogers another four seasons? He could be 24 and reassess the situation and move on and win trophies for six years. But the other thing is he has two and a half years of his contract, like, let's not forget this, it's not that his contract is up in the summer or he has a year left, he's two and a half years left on that contract. The timing is, he could have it, like, if he does want to wait till the summer, all this do is, like, make a statement to the effect of Trudel Club website. He doesn't have to go and do a half-hour interview with the BBC, where they're, like, they're obviously going to be scavenging for any little store and you don't get it. They're spinning all the quotes, like, they're, like, it's not what he said really that pissed me off. It's just the fact that he's done it. There's no reason to do it. He's kicked the candle and the road and their pollen says that basically I will give guarantees in the summer. Well, yeah, well, he's just saying that he's going to decide in the summer and I can see Roy, like, I've now real problem with that, because, like, he's 20 years old. He's got two years still left on his current day, like, he's, there's no reason why he would kind of just sign a new day or no, when he can see where we are in the summer. We don't know where we're going to be in the Champions League. That looks probably unlikely now, actually, though, after the night at last. So, like, from here, I can see his point of view where he's saying, "I want to keep my options open." But, like, there's a way of day on that. Like, you can just say to the club, listen, we'll come back to it in the summer and the club can put it out there, saying, "Well, we're going to leave." You don't have to go to the BBC and do this half-hour interview, putting a tag on your back leg. Have the BBC just caught a naive young flit out, like, he's, I know he's, like, a lot of experience for his age, but Henderson hasn't signed a new contract either, and you'd all see him pointing him at the end of the year, maybe the BBC were badgering him. Oh, you don't think that's naive? Oh, you think that's strategically done, as leverage? Yeah, that's, that's what it is. There's a number of ways of looking at it, and if you think it's a, if you think he's done it, you know, for clever reasons, then he's looking for a better contract. Well, hang on, Andy, he's caught away. You boys have both, of all mentioned that he's got two years left in his contract, right? He says that he just want to be seen as a money-grabbing 20-year-old, but he says, "Look, I don't want to be perceived as a money-grabbing 20-year-old. I just want to be seen as a kid who loves to play football and do the best for a team, lovely." And he also says, "Oh, sorry, yeah, he's talking about last year when the team were going for the tightening." He says, "Well, if at that point in time I resolved the contract, I most definitely would have signed straight away, probably for far less money than being offered now. I just think the timing was a bit off." Well, look, again, on time. Exactly. Didn't you still have a contract on its way? Why haven't we started bringing up his contract last year with three years, three and a half years to Rome? I think it's to show the difference in where the club is now and where the club was then. And that just... I think he does have a point that way. He does. He even Jared said, like Jared, Jared said, "At the end of the season we had last season, if I was after the contract in the summer, I thought I was going to be playing this season, but I did definitely signed it." And then as the sweet season went on, we were doing worse and Rogers was telling them, "Listen, I'm going to start taking you out of the team." The circumstances changed and Jared said, "Well, I don't fancy sticking around." So I can see where Sterling's coming from and make that work because the circumstances have changed. Big style. Maybe there's a point behind that, Jared said it's all... Well, come here. Isn't it, though, a case that you see this all the time with players? They look to leverage the maximum amount you can and if they're looking for a way out instead of looking for a transfer request because they don't lose their loyalty bonus, they make their position untenable out of the club. Like even Suarez toyed it with the Guardian interview, do you remember the year before he actually left? Yeah. In the contract, that would probably involve a release clause. There's probably no release clause in the contract that he's been offered. And this gives him a guaranteed way out for certain types of clubs at a certain price, which is not potentially in the contract that they're offering at the moment because they're looking at a 20-year-old and saying, "We're not one release clause in this because the ceiling is fucking truth-roof in terms of the potential that this fell out." Well, it doesn't even have a right as well, despite what he's saying there early on, as potentially the guy who was our go-to player when we were really in the shit this season and got us out of a lot of trouble because he was able to be flexible and able to use his incredible talent in various ways, doesn't he have a right to ask for, at least equal to the best money that's going for the club? And you hear these other stories about all Harry Keynes only asking for X, whereas that shows he's loyal. I mean, look, I remember in an early pod, just to do devil's advocate, I went down to the bill, apparently he asked a stupid question, wrote and said, "But why about, I mean, shouldn't they be proud just to play for Liverpool, and every one of you, boy, is that a fuck-a-half? The money is exactly, er, in that money, they're entitled to that money, blah, blah, blah." So in that line of thinking, isn't he entitled to give money to that? Have I mentioned once about the money? No. Have I mentioned once about the money? Have I? No. No. I haven't, because the money to me is irrelevant to this. If we don't pay him, ultimately, if we don't pay him was an agreeable deal, because he's going to start off $1,200 a week, and we're going to come in and want to pay him $50 a week, right? That's contracting negotiations. That happens in everything, right? They put a figure out, his agents put a figure out of $180 a week in one of the papers, and Liverpool are leaking that they're prepared to pay him up to $100, right? You can almost see where the middle ground is here on this one. That's what I'm saying, right? So then it's, are we prepared to pay the top whack for the best young players that are out there, right? And if we are, then we have to be prepared to say, when the looks of Catania comes in for a contract for negotiation, when Henderson comes in for a contract negotiation, that we're not going to get away, we're paying them $40 grand and $50 grand a week, because you can't build a model that's designed to buy young players, the best young players out there, and develop them into world-class players and pay them peanuts. Because every analysis of the money spent in football will show you that, ultimately, your wage bill, to be one of the topsoids, you end up with one of the top wage bills in the Italy that you have. Yes, directly proportional. Yes. Unless you want to find them all for profit and start again, and then you don't have the permission to use it. But go back to Paul's contract bit, right? We are following a very similar model, or trying to follow a very similar model to the one that Harrison have put in place, right? And the flaws in that model has always boiled down to contracts, and how they lose players, you know, Harrison have lost players because they haven't begun contract, I would say. Yeah. And we're mirroring that. Yeah, going back to your point, we shouldn't be afraid to throw out a two-year extension to somebody who's 20, who's performing really well for us, even if he's only signed a four-year deal, 12 months beforehand. That two years gives you five years. You're not in this position, and as he says, if he says no, you still have four-country years left on it, and you've got plenty of time to start the day alone. Another lucky, obviously, he is massively promising, but I've seen a lot of people say, "We have to travel the kitchen sink at them to keep them." Well, I don't really agree with that, because in his fourth season, the 12th, 12th season, he had a good fourth half of it and went off the boil. The last season, he didn't start well, he came into another good season, and this season he's been mixed. So is that enough to become one of the highest earners in our club's history? I don't think it is. I don't think we should let ourselves be bent over a barrel. That's the sort of logic that kind of got real, like realny when he's in two years when he can't move, like when he looks like On's low out of two years, like that's just going to happen to him in two years. He still has about two years left on that giant contract you like him, because that's what happens when you get into the mindset of we can't be seen to lose him, because he's really good. But he's getting poked, because he says, "I keep hearing I've rejected all sorts of contracts. Me and the club and my reps have spoken about put talks and hold them to the end of the season." So it's frustrating to hear the contracts rhyme speaking, it's frustrating to hear the contracts. I just wanted to get my point across on the whole thing. Now, if you just want to get his point across, are you only clear after reading that because I'm not? Well, maybe they've pulled Sarah Quilt's early interview, and he might have said some good stuff as well, like, you know, how he just once did. He does. And if he ever leaves England the only player, he might have said things. Look, this is only, you know, just started thinking out loud here, but he could have said things like, "I just want to put the bed all this fucking real machine." He did so. But if he's doing this for clarification, he hasn't clarified. Now, he might have said a lot more that BBC has a lot of chills to leave out, and it's made him look terribly bad. But here's the thing, right? And here's the catch-22. If you put Sterling, and take away the emotion from this whole thing for a moment, right, it could be any player. Let's say it's... I can't think of a repair. [LAUGHTER] Let's say he goes, "Remember from the Liverpool tour, it's a player, and he's one of the best young players in the country, and the two top teams who are prepared to pay for consumer money and wages have both put a deal to his agent, illegally, legally, whatever, right? It's never going to come out. And I said, "We're prepared to pay him 150 round a week, right? Straight up." And Liverpool are saying, "Well, we're only prepared to pay 100 grand a week, right?" Now, you're a player, and you're being told, "Well, you know, you'll come to our club, you'll be one of the 14 players, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and we'll develop you, and we'll turn you into a war-class player, and you'll get to play in the Champions League stage every year, and you'll challenge for the leagues." When you boil it down to that, we have to either compete with wages, or say, "Fuck it. We have our own system, and we're going... This air system is going to war for us, but then it needs to be said to the fans. It needs to be..." I'm not so much saying a statement from the club saying, "This is it, right?" But it just needs to be sort of saying, "If he goes, explain to... Look, we have a system that we set up, that we fully believe in, and we believe we'll deliver us trophies." And not treat the fans like Godshoots, and put out stupid stories, which are just sort of trying to cloud what's going on. Give a realistic expectation of where this is our model. This is our model. This is our model. We weren't prepared to break our model, just because a very talented young player wasn't prepared to accept the offer that we put on the tour. Let me throw something there. Then when Suarez got so good, that season where they kind of gave him that new contract to 150 grand a week, it was real in my attack on Christmas. That was sort of... No, we don't know. Maybe that was just trying to keep them, because they knew what was going on. The Barcelona team was probably in motion, I don't know, but they have... So if you're to take it on face value, they have shown that when someone's good enough, they're going to pay them. I certainly think Sterling, although I was saying he's still a pro, he's still very young. He's still a top-top player, one of our top players, so I don't think he should be one of the top earners. I mean, I don't, I wouldn't begrudging with 150 grand a week, I certainly wouldn't. Well, look, under that, I'll just throw it out to you, because under this idea of where he's... Who the fuck am I? 150 grand a week. Listen, I mean... It's not over. I'm just saying... The money is there to pay the top players. At this stage we should be over at a football as a rich, greedy, poker's like, you know? Why wouldn't you be if you're playing at that level and everybody else is getting out? Two things. How vitally you see Sterling being till over post-future and successful future? And with that, and with the answers to that, when you're questioning from Floyd who's saying, "What would be your thoughts if a 50 million plus offer came in for Sterling in the summer?" I get what he's saying. Is there a price at which we've prepared to let him go? That's exactly what he's saying. Like, there's no way somebody's going to offer us 50 million quid for Sterling. I'm sorry. As talented as he is, if somebody comes in with a 25 million or a 20 million pound offer, the club will take that. Because it's a 20 year old that we've paid $4 billion for, that we're going to make a massive amount of money on, right? And would arguably be able to buy a similar stature player, if not a little bit more developed tool that might have as much impact on the world team? Yeah, he had to apply the whole English player logic here. Like, I don't think he's gone anywhere for 25 million or 30 million. Like, I think it's going to be an art of 40. I don't. Do you mean if it's within two and another million? If it's in England, it might be strictly different. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean anywhere? Well, just the way English player is a price. Just the way he was. Sure, like, even Ross Barrettly, how bad he's been since he just started thinking how he exploded and, like, there was talk of milves to measure hair than Chelsea enough for 50 and 60 million. Like, that's kind of the point where Sterling is at the moment. So if there is a bit more between the league's here, Chelsea's and the city's and Arsenal, like Arsenal are starting to spend the money. Like, he could easily go for 50 old and rule it out. No, he goes away. The right hour or whatever. You know, I wouldn't doubt he couldn't say it. No, I'd say it'd be a bit less. Why is it that both of you have gone towards the fear as opposed to the first part of the question? Is it because we've been so badly stoned by players leaving that you don't want to think about how central allowed is going to be to our potential success or do you not actually genuinely think that he's absolutely central to us moving on a level? Obviously, you have to make a huge effort to keep someone like Sterling. Yeah. But, like, I just don't think like Andy mentioned that the contract Suarez was given. That was when he was, like, he was blowing people away on his own, like, like, Sterling still has a long way to go, a hell of a long way to go before he's, like, before he's one of your go-to players. That was my point earlier, like, I don't want to, like, disrespect, like, I mean, I love Sterling and he's quality, but, like, when you, when you're comparing him with all our top players we've had, where I had this over a barrel like Torres and Suarez. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, there's, there's no comparison. But the terms, how well they're proven, like. And it's a small point. Sorry. No, no, but that's, that's, that's my point on it. Like, if we have to replace Sterling, it's not as hard to replace him. And I want to make this clear. I do not want Sterling to leave. I think he's a fucking phenomenal player. I think if we keep him, we can build a team around him, right? I don't think he will progress to be a world-class player, and I'm setting that out clearly, right? But where he is at this moment in time is easier to replace than where Suarez was when he left the team. Because Suarez was torty goals and torty, torty assists. Sterling is not at the torty goals, torty assists, Mark. He could well be in two or three years' time, at which point it would be nearly impossible to replace him as we found with Suarez. But at this moment in time, if you were going to replace him, you'd probably replace him 12 to 15 goals in a season and maybe 8 to 9 assists over the course of a season. And while we can see what he's going to progress to, you can replace that input in a team. But I will make this clear. I do not want him to leave. I want the club to keep him. The only thing is that he's causing his little problems are 20, like I don't know what he's going to be like, you know, you have to gauge whether, how is he going to be good for the club overall, you know, going forward? If he's going to be disrupting things for the whole of his career level pill, then it's a headache, not what would happen. You know, you have a player there in Jordan, who can potentially replace him in the same position. I mean, as long as we have Sterling, I know in the team we have a little bit of a problem. But after a wobbly start, Andy, like you've never seen anyone get their head down and show real dedication to what they're supposed to be doing as we're just starting. He's also the Captain Scarlet, but he never gets injured. I love the Captain Scarlet, he's great like that. But I think the original point was if a bid came in from, you know, from the tweet there, yeah, of course, like every player has a say, a price, I mean... What would it be in your head? I think 40, 50 million, I'd be happy, you know, because there's areas where he can invest that money, and then he'll play his down the road, whether he's playing his right wing backward, he plays on the top of the far tree, tree or something, you know, he's still, he's not the same type of player staring, but he's that mould, he's that attacking player with pace and everything else. Can I ask you a question? It's a little bit possibly down the beatbook, it has to cross your mind, we can finish off with this if you look. But at this stage are we looking at Liverpool as being a club where players are, it's almost like the second last stepping stone, before players go to the really, really big move their career. Like we have a lot of good players, we always have a lot of good players, but our best players will always be in danger of being picked off. Is that what we're at now? What's been happening? Do you see us? No, do you see us? We've been there for about the last eight years. We've been there forever. Yeah, like even back in the day, like when Kagan went to barre meonic, like he was... A hamburger. A hamburger? Whatever. They were the barre meonic back then. Well, like there's always a step up for us, you know. I might have been soon, it's sort of rushy, when they were following money, you know what I mean? And that was the key. And his point is that it's not, it's not, like you went to... It wasn't a status thing. You've went to this moment in European Cups at the time, there was Platinny there, you know, they were the champions in Italy, they went, they were going to as big a club as what they were at. Now, what do you say to me at this moment in time that we're the biggest club in England? We're clearly not. Now, are we the biggest club in Europe? Yeah, I think you find you radically speaking with us. No, but this is what I'm saying to you. You were saying a question, when you look back at the '80s, right? We were the biggest club in England and we were the biggest club. But listen to me, I'm the biggest club in Europe, right? Just listen to a trap. So you're saying, are we the second last step in stone? Yeah. Of course we are, because we aren't in the elite bracket. The end of the question, which you neither of you listen to was when and if, how do we pull out of that? What's the next step? The second... We won't leave, do we? The second play, the second step, the stepping stone before the top isn't a bad-ale place to be. Because we're a staple for fucking 90%, 94%. You're left with this hard-school and bullshit off your best players, taking the step back. Well, okay, where are you going to go that way? There's always going to be right on Madrid and Barcelona, for you know, Mediterranean players, they're always going to have one's... You know, it were tear-and-teams of hearts when they were in European club finals. That wasn't enough for another one. Once right on Madrid, we're interested, Ronaldo was off. So you're always going to have that in England, I think. So stop being a miserable bastard, try the switch saying. Yeah, but it does not be focused on one host again. There is a point to the question, because at the moment, we'd be in danger of losing players that order English teams, never mind European teams, whereas if we strong two or three titles together in five years, you'd be one of the biggest teams now. You're still going to have Real Madrid and Barcelona, you're still going to be the big hair or so. But that's what we need. Not sure even if we were winning titles. Chelsea and City are still in the fair control, Monia players. We have to go back to your question. How do we get out of that? It's near impossible. Unless something mega happens on the commercial side, that makes you then as capable of competing with the cities and the Chelsea side. So even success doesn't do it as what you're saying? Well, you'd need a run of success. Yeah, serious run. Serious run, and the commercial deals to go alongside it, to put you in the same bracket as you know it, which then allows you to be on the same pair as Chelsea and City. It's probably just about the ugly capitalism again, which is where we started. I think that's where we're headed eventually, and I don't like it, is they've come in and they've done great things for the club. They've got rid of all the deadwood. They've made a club like an attractive commercial place for companies to call them on advertising. They're doing everything that way, they're building on to the stadium, and they're making the club a hell of a lot more attractive to porches than when they came along. So what I'd say Liverpool would be solved for a bit with a billion in maybe 10 years, something like that. And the only people that are going to buy a club for a billion are very, very rich people. So that's there in their mind, I'd imagine. Not here for a crack. It's not a privilege, I mean, you can see very clearly, I mean, why would you go for your soy to the world because they could do what they're doing over there, like in the sports, they didn't even know what soccer was. So they're not here as fans, they're here to make the club bigger and sell for profit. Now to make a healthy profit, it's not like sell on for 500 million or 600 million, it's a billion. It's like fucking get rich here, and that's where we're headed. The only people are going to buy the club for being in the leagues here, see the owners and tells the owners like, and that's when maybe they don't know that shit, or if they get the club so financially stable that they're making a fortune, well then we're in it. So we're headed that way, the club is headed that way, but we're not that fancy to it, you know. Happy days. But that charity man was great, you know, charity match is there. The fucking hand that made the classic and the hand go stadium in the fucking New Castle world. Let's look forward to the games that are coming up, given that the FA Cup match is mid-week, I suppose we'll have to have a look at both of them, and we're probably doing our part in the wake of that game. So let's look ahead then to Arsenal Liverpool, which is Saturday lunchtime. I think the kickoff's been moved back in the hour, and Blackburn Liverpool then, which is Wednesday night in the FA Cup, we start off, I suppose, where we would do it with the one that's coming up, more pressing, which is the league game. Paul, what do you think, in terms of this game that's coming up, how much of a setback was that, you know, the results and then the international break, in other words, in terms of a loss of momentum, first of all, the kicking the stones of losing to the match, and then, you know, the break of the winning streak followed by the break in momentum. Yeah, that's the big pain that we couldn't kind of pick ourselves up and go straight back into another game after it. And as well, what the United loss is doing now, like I didn't realise Arsenal were in such good form, because I just like, I don't watch the football. The only time I saw them was the game against Monaco, at the Emirates, I was like, 'Oh, shit, they're actually doing really, really well, they even had a good performance then in the second leg against Monaco. So it's horrible that this is basically like a most win almost, because against a team where we never win at the Emirates, like they're in really good form, they're really dangerous, and now we have to basically beat them to kind of, well, you can probably get away with a draft, you won the rest of the matches maybe, but it's become so fucking like so must win now against such a horrible team to play against. They're basically un-fucking terrified. Phil, we've been talking about most wins, it seems though, for a long time. Everything is a must win. It is, yeah. But even the court game is a must win. Everything is a must win. But are we in the situation there, where we basically just have to win all the games? Win all the games. It's not simple. No, no, no. What do you think? Like, I mean, if we won it, if we won it, we'll give it the most win. We aren't in a situation where every game is a must win. Okay. Because mathematically, we aren't. Psychologically, is Arsenal not one that we really, really could do with a morale boosting kind of a thing? I think if we come out with a draw, we're still in with a good show of Champions League. Because they don't move any further ahead of us, and it's Arsenal, and you want to haul in then? Well, it's always Arsenal, you want to haul in. Yeah. Regardless. I can still see United dropping quite a few points. But the problem is, like, we can take, I don't think we can take two defeats and the belts and then keep chasing. No, I don't. I don't think Roy Jiggs can take any more fondling of his face in the way of his victories. I think he's going to break, and there will be a, some sort of rick in it. Oh, is that happening? It's happening all the time. It goes straight to... I think we've got a little bit of a halved on, with a star face. I think that guy's got a blow, the poor of that last one. He's like a scrotum curved and a hammer. Anyway, I don't agree with that, but you're, yeah, you're... No, I don't. I don't think a draw will be... I think, I think a draw, and we've still got a chance. A loss, again, it's like, you know it again, it's a more snot-lills. It is a more snot-lills. Like, we shouldn't have lost, you know it. Because we've put ourselves now into a situation where we can't afford to drop points against Arsenal. You drop points against Arsenal, and effectively, even though mathematically, if you won every single game, you probably will end up with Ford, but you've no margin for error at that stage. Draw here, and you're still on course for putting 73 points on the board. Yeah. And that's even, that's even accepted one more loss before the end of the season, and winning the rest. We'll get into what we should look like in terms of what we might sell up like in the personal book. But more always, you fit, you lose to Arsenal, you're eight points off them, right? And you're going in, mentally shattered, going into that F.A. Cole game, as well. I think after this game, we still have to be sort of clinging on to the cold tail. Yes. Up there, somewhere, psychologically, because if we're not then, but we had to say, and obviously, you can talk about Mat and Max, but like, it's just hard to say, right? We've lost to our two kind of rivals from Ford Place, but we just win all the rest of the games and finish for it. I think it's really hard to look at it that way. We win and we set Arsenal for the right, we'll wobble. Arsenal every single year, get up to April and people start thinking, you know, they might actually... They might actually... They're very, very, very left. Yeah. Right. Facially, it's left away, you know. No, but this is what happens every year to get up to... No, no, that was all the Arsenal. The new Arsenal was a side start and a really strong finish, isn't it? But even still, they always get to April, and they always drop points at some stage through April. So what I'm saying is that, you know, we win, and they're heads go, they're heads go. But the other sudden, instead of being eight points clear, it was a tree, they know what they started to wind themselves of. Last year, when they came to Anfield and we battered them, right, and there could have been eight points clear, it was at that stage, and we reeled it into tree. And we went on to blend them over and got out guard above them. Blend them over. No blimmers, fuck you, we're above you. This is fucking brilliant, fuck Aubrey, we're feeling the same. And on the topic of Arsenal, Paul was talking with the former, you know, like, I mean, before we started looking at our team and then what they might look like, what is the strength that they saw? Like, I mean, clearly they play, you tried to football, but what were the strengths and weaknesses? Where can we get out of them, maybe? That's some weird job. Why is this the fucking union? Get in the Arsenal family to do this, babe. Look, at the start of this turnaround for Liverpool, we played Arsenal in Anfield, and we are way better on the day, and just poking with the skin right here, he got the point at the end. So, if it's a bit of the same again, you know, I think as Luke was probably going to come back into the team, is he? We certainly available. Yeah. So... I'm Flano. Yeah. Flano's there. Flano's ready. Hey, where are you at? He's not. He's not the Flano on kick up all for rest of the season. Of course he wants some shit going down there. So, no, no, hopefully you have a more effective midfield, Luke was back in, he was brilliant before he got injured. So, let's see if we can win the game in the middle of the park. I don't know what it's going to look like up front, I know he didn't want to talk about the team. No, no, no, no. I'm going to think of myself, how can we, have your ass and how can we kind of beat this team? Let's get into that then, if you let's completely ignore the strengths. Because I think... I'll do the strength. I'll do the strength. Yeah. Thanks, bud. Well, Sterling's a doubt as well, isn't he? So he could be looking at him. He is after the fucking today. Yeah. Right, he and me could have an injury. You've been injured on fuck off. Balleteddy. Yeah. Excellent. Balleteddy. He's fucking rad. You know. And he can even like that. And he's struggling. Yeah. You know, so you're very little. You might have to change his shape altogether. You might have to go to far, far, tier or something and poke hand into the midfield of earth. I don't know. Like, the more you have to be a rejig, so you don't even know. When Rodgers does that, it tends to work, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So that's something new. Yeah. Why are you looking at Liverpool the way they've been playing for a while? And he'd be thinking about how to pick them off. We don't have the terrible amount of joy away to Arsenal. But they should just look at that game on outfield and think, like, we were way better on the day. And they're dodging up at the back, like, Arsenal. And I think as well, one of their big weaknesses is that they're going to be like big games when they don't seem to think about defending. Like, it's just like, we'll play our pass and we'll pile those players forward. And then when the ball does break on them, they do seem to be quite open, quite like Ferguson had Wenger's number. Like, Ferguson was putting out some fucking joy teams. And it was just like, you know, buying counter-attacking. They were winning two-nail. Like, I just had all the position and Ferguson fucking G-stone park and Tony of Valencia or something, or a score. Always against them. Like, so you can look at it that way and, like, it's a game where you could say, we'll just hold back and then hit them on the break with all our pay easy players. Like, so that's the one thing going for us. Yeah, with no storage, which clearly is the situation. Is it definitely? No, it did say in the paper it was going to be more. They're saying, I think the echo just said that you don't have to still hope for that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That telegraph as well, I think we're saying that he's going to be asked to play through the pain. Like, yeah. So. Yeah. He won't be playing after this, man. He's looked slowly. That's a bullshit agenda, isn't it? I don't even want to know where that story is coming from because that's like something that's on the bottom. Wait, I just want to say, it really is. Let's make him vote for us. We're going to play through the pain moment. Oh, sorry. That's the result. Test is result. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Jesus, what? So, anyway, Phil, you want to talk about how great Arsenal are to make us voting back? Yeah, they're great. Yeah, go on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the hype? No, no, no. Yeah, they're great to him. And they score loads of goals. Actually, that is the issue. They score loads of goals. And the way they're set up would be, I'd say, Venga would look at the way it played against us and look to exploit the same areas. If we go in, not even, or if not to try to address it because they're kind of like the tree that they play behind you, Roo. Like, if you talk about it, you know, it's quality that they had in the tree behind Roo only last week, right? You've got a choice because they're on a wild caught Sanchez and Ozo to play behind Roo in that space. That's going to push Alan and Henderson right back on top of a back tree unless we do something tactically that, you know, unless we push Chan into that central center back. You don't want to buy this Lucas option? No, because I don't think we should negate our own formation that's worked so well for us where there's a small tactical variation that will allow us to offset what teams we've been trying to do against us. Because Sacco will have Jareo's number. You can just let him take it. Like, if it's Cola or Livlin, they can deal with him as well, right? We need to be able to stop the tree that's going to play in front. And what we don't want to do is stop them at the expense of having Alan and Henderson drop back on top of us because that will just invite them to Arsenal fullbacks. Who will want to bomb on? Because that's what Arsenal fullbacks always do. We'll just want to bomb on. And I'll go play very well. I think we have to learn the lessons that we learned from the second half of the Swansea game where we did a slight variation in the form of, I don't know, Jareo's not fit to play, but there's no reason why we can play it with Chan playing behind there or playing as an exit as between a center back and a defensive midfielder stepping in and out when needs be. Right? And let him play in that position because we know he's more than capable to play in the center back. We've seen him play in that position the couple of times that Rodgers has swapped, scared a little to the right and brought Chan into the center so he could get the ball and drive up the pitch and also play. He likes to go on attack players as they come towards him. You know, it'll just stop our team from dropping deep on us. Well, talk me through your 11th from there. My 11th. Yeah, it's a mini-lane goal. I'd play love in our colo as the center back in the game. You know, I have a preference there, a very clear preference because I know I would. I know everyone will say colo, right? But my argument on this is that, actually, Lovren hasn't done anything particularly terrible in the games that he did play. I wouldn't say I put me in this as a sweep. No, no, no, no. I'm saying this is the right center back. So I've swapped Chan. The Chan is playing as me center, center back, but sort of in the advanced position. Yeah. Almost as a defensive midfielder who becomes a center back in it. So Colo are Lovren plus Sacco, obviously. And then Sacco. Channel in the middle, just ahead. Channel in the middle, just ahead. I have Markovitch on the right as right wing back. There's no way I start staring at his right wing back at his feet because we're fucking wasting them there, right? Moreno is left wing back, right? And if you don't want to play Markovitch, I bring Mankio in for this game. There's no way I don't, there is not a fucking God in the world who could force me to play your man, right? Yeah. Say his name, Phil. Say his name. Say his name. Not say his name. He might appear here. But there's no logic on Earth that puts him there. They actually play Flanagan ahead of him. Why? You seem very help. It seems there's even a vague possibility he starts. Flanagan hadn't played for five years and he started against the Earth since last year. And he went on his run of farm from then. I'm assuming storage is out for the sake of this. Then it's Catenio, Sterling, and Lelana, even though Lelana has been out of farm, but that tree is the tree that's been our best attack and trust since Christmas. You still have a player left, don't you? Where? No, you don't. I don't. I don't. I remember a channel just didn't say his name because I've said it like 27 million billion times. Did you say Catenio, Lelana, and Sterling across the top? Yeah. And then you were just saying Alan and him, the small player. There is one more player. A ten. A ten. I have Moreno. No, you haven't. I have him. A Henderson of Markovitch. That's far across the middle. A tree up front and a tree at the back. So how can I get another player in there? Where he's transing the middle of the lack is he? Yeah. Okay. See we're going with this one. Thank you. See we're going with this one. Thank you. See we're going with this one. I'm a fan of our Markovitch. Flanovich. Any changes you make to our tweaks you make on that or would you absolutely knock on anything like that Paul? Yeah, which is not a similar enough time for me, but I'd be the opposite of the feel. I would sit back and like if I want to make it like if they want to pull forward and make cockle and versus Catenio and whoever else we've got up there in 40 hours of space, I let them do that. I think like that's what happened at Anfield. They were just so open and like I can't believe we lost that match. Like it was horrible that we didn't score more goals because they were just absolutely completely up. Like a lot of our fans. You know when he had mentioned it because they said he's forced to play there because he's the only one that's remotely defensively looks good. Like that time's up by 100 for Cockland. Like he's become one of our astronauts more most important players. And he's actually pretty well for the door he is. Yeah, he's scattered. You're basing this in the Monaco game. You just set up a few minutes ago. And then he looked before us, I was saying him before and it's ridiculous that he's become a fucking star player. If they let it end up with him trying to put out fires that cutenio and all that trying to start. Like I just learned. Your head is going to be wrecked when he has a blinder or focus on it. So what's the attacking section of your team like the same as Phil? So are they saying that difference? Um, well they have, if storage is out then I'd go staring them up top with probably trying to put Catania on Markovitch behind them. Catania on Markovitch. Ali, what were you? Any tweaks or no? Yeah, I'm trying to agree with Phil and I'm a bit parlor. Just the, I'm trying to think back to the team that played at Anfield. I mean my hand is some play at like left wing back or something didn't he? And Markovitch played right wing back in Girard and Lucas didn't he? Yeah. And then he was up top staring in play through the middle of top Catania on the line. Yeah. Yeah. So like something similar to that except obviously you've hand us into the middle and then you've got Moreno and either Manquillo or Markovitch down the road. If the line is not fit, then Markovitch up for it. Yeah. And Manquillo come in. You know what? No. Yeah. The latter thing is the big question because if he comes in it's relatively on the store up the way the team lines up. I love your idea of a, of a tactical tweak. I think he's going to leave it exactly the same. I'm, I'm, listen. Yeah. Listen. This is, this is why. This is why he can't be a strong and a little bit. You're saying, yeah. At that right centre back. Roll lately. That's what I'm saying. That's not about you. Show me a bad idea to take the little bit of the fans of pressure album happens to be. But give him a little bit of freedom there to go if he wants. Because he likes to go. Yeah. He likes to step in. Yeah. He likes to step in without scare your, your, your centre centre back. You don't have to replace a look for like you can just change it slightly and take the pressure away. What, what Swansea and you know what it did so well over was the fucking goal and literally go and press the lads. Yeah. He'd be able to push them on. You're right. You're going slowly there. You know, playing trains and that movie until you land all one in it, I'm all one. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't know. That's the type of painting that we have. Okay. Let's take a few minutes of the photo to the, to the FA Cup match. Right. Brad. Everyone forgot what I'm saying. They forgot it was on Wednesday. Has it changed? I think anyone changed their perception of the importance of this. Yeah, man. It's the most important. Yeah. I know what you are. I'm on for the Cup. I think the, the, the, the corner of that game is completely influenced by what happens on Saturday. We lose and... It's all a bit good for you. It's all a bit good. But if, if, if we lose, God knows what the reaction would be like going into that Cup match. Because it's going to be more or less the same players who will go into the, the Cup game. So, how does that sensation of being eight points behind Harrison and fucking feed into a Cup match where it, which is becoming a potential banana skin? We win and we go in there and we put fucking 15 golds past. Yeah. We said that in the first, like, Paul, what have you, what are your thoughts about the, about the Cup game? Are you, are you starting to hang it off a lot more important than you had initially? Yeah. No, I'm not really doing it. I want to win it anyway. So, I dunno. Yeah, I just dunno. I think it's going to be horrible. It's going to be a horrible game, what do you think? Yeah. I think it's going to be horrible, it's going to be a horrible game, what do you think? We have a big game this weekend and then going to, you know, eat with parcs, obviously going to be rockin' with a lot of bastard, blackboard fans, and they were, they were a bastard team to play against, so this is going to be a bastard game. Yeah. I think it's not going to be nice at all. Even if we win against Harrison, I don't think it's going to be free. I think we've bashed back backboard because unlike the forest game where they just tried to defend against us for the whole team, they'd have to do something in this game. Yeah. That is the one kind of good thing. Even if the manager does try and say, "Right, we'll just go the same, we'll just try and frustrate them." Like the home crowd will cause them to come out past our 18-year-old box, it's still going to be fucking horrible. Yeah. Yeah. 15 now. They're all off. Uh, I don't even, any, um, revolutionary tells me I think I'll put a person with these boys. No. It's all a bit downbeat if you don't mind me saying something. I think, um, I think, uh, if we win against Harrison, um, that's going to put an 8-point gap between, uh, also, you know it because they're about to win at the weekend. So, um, it will change the complexion and all of a sudden that game is going to be much bigger. Look, you know, we won't be prioritized in a league anymore because eight points would be impossible at that stage. Yeah. Um, so, well, not mathematically, but like, um, hashtag 81 points, LSE, family group. That would be, that would be, now 78 is the max, 75 will be the max that we're beating. Yeah. They still play Chelsea 74. So we, we'll get 74 now because you won't be beating, so 72 with a max. So it'll be a big, big ask, big ask if we're beating. So I think it becomes the ethic of becomes huge. They're not. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, okay. Look, I expect to stick off through either way anyway. Well, let's, let's put that to the test. First of all, let's get some predictions for the, um, Premier League game, uh, at Arsenal on Saturday, lunchtime, um, Paul, your show. Two all. Two all. Um, Andy. Yeah. One all. One all you think. Okay. I think we have to win this one. So I think we will win. I'd say two on Phil. I think the gods are with us. I think the gods. Yeah. The gods. The gods are. The gods are on your face as well. I think the gods are with us. I think the mister runs are with us. But I definitely, um, yeah, I think we win. I think, I think we're on for it. Oh, you're giving me over to you and Emily. Okay. So for for one. Hold on. Excellent. Paul for the, um, the, um, the FA Cup match. Horrible. Horrible. And. Horrible. Probably squeeze up to one. Okay. Two all going for us. Uh, one nil, uh, ballot tally, uh, in the 80th, 9th minute. Excellent. Uh, get your to Wembley, I say. Uh, I'd say that's how it's got to go. I'd say we get through Phil. Yeah, 15 now. Excellent. Gonna fucking hammer those back one by. Seriously. Yep. Enjoy that preview. That's good. It was familiar. Bruised up. Fuck me. I don't know. Right. We've got to go. The monster. I'm feeling a bit weird. What would you do? Seriously. What would you do with the model of Anfield? You'd have to have a big gaff. You want a big gaff somewhere you can display it. Yeah. Even still. You neither. Boyf. The last thing I'd be thinking is I'll put a big Anfield in it. Well, do you have any jerseys on display or boots or any action? No. Like, if you're not into that, there's no way you're building a model. I'm feeling poor. If Louis Suarez gave me a signed pair of boots, I'd wear them to Astro. I would. I'd have to pay $100 to wear it. Yeah, I won't be into that shit myself at all. But what would you do? I don't... You'd just leave it there and say, "Look, this is my model of Anfield." And I bet you whoever has probably has a tiny gaff and is taking away too much space. No, you haven't had a big gaff and I had a man cave. You'd be putting all sorts of nickbacks like that in there. You would have a jersey or two on the wall. I don't know. In a man cave. Yeah. Yeah, looks like you had... The only thing like a big, big room like where you had a pill table. Yeah. Big massive fucking projector TV. I've just thought you had no notion about any shit in that. That's a record I'm off, right? That's a fucking study. The story of a man cave could be forer. Look at the spectrum of rules. What? Does it have... Do you have a kid here? Hang on a second. Hang on a second. I know. There's a hell of a secret passage. There's an online conversation over in the car. We're having a what? It's a hand frame. Is that what you're having a man cave? A lotion section. Do you have a book, lawyer-breathing, that's also a secret passageway? Because that's the only time a study is acceptable. You put a book and it opens and you go into your cave. Like, I write a lot and I read a lot, so I have a study. And there's a desk in it. 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And... You were a wither like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it made us all clear that... Well, not into fucking any sort of gilder. Did you say Beyonce or Magella for Andy or something? Nah, it was just a poxy sovereign ring. You know, Shamun's like big years coin at the top. Arthur. So, like... I remember the following year that was a birthday at a Christmas or a Superman. You know, the way they made to be sniffing. What are you looking at? It's around here. And like, I think I would have been like, "Yeah, I've got a PlayStation game. I've got a PlayStation game. I don't know." 'Cause she's a deadly surprise, loin' up and out. I think I was like, "Oh, well then, gold is a surprise." Yeah, just say. Well, I don't really want it. Yeah, surprise would be great. Have a guess what we got. That's what we got. And no, that ring. Except this time, it was a college ring. And I would have fucking kind of a stone and a college ring. Nah, that's beyond it. It's like a... It was not a gold ring, but I had a stone in it. Like a... Like a... A colored wine colored stone in it. Oh, okay. Holy fuck. Like... How fucking... How would I achieve what life can someone be? They didn't wear it. They didn't wear it. They didn't wear it. They didn't wear it. They didn't wear it. You saw you wearing your submarine and your lovely earrings. No, the earrings. This life loves a bit of earrings. I haven't kicked in at this time. I haven't had that look about you. The earrings were like a cool stage. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The rings were like, would have been, you know, fucking 16, 7-year-old Sham. Yeah. You know? The earrings are like, you know, making a statement, putting stuff on this wall. Putting stuff on this wall. Fucking cool. That was, you know, silver earrings, like, you know. And the other earrings wears. I had earrings. Did you? And I had a Malcolm X bean. What? You know, everyone was mad into that Malcolm X. I had a Malcolm X beanie, but a toy at the top. Oh, God. Oh, no. Is this when you're in your rap stage? Is it all fucking? I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't imagine this. I can't imagine what it looks like. Can you go there? It's like my Malcolm X with a nut in the top. No, it wasn't a nut in the top. It was just open. It was open. It was pulled in. And it was, there was a, like, black string that went around and pulled it in. Safely the most horrendous thing you've ever seen. That's hard. I remember this. It's hard from your cow top. It sounds like a fucking one. Like, I'm talking about it. It's a fucking sock on your head. Tell your album to do it in the top. Tell your album to do it in the top. I was around the whole time. You look back in the persona. You're about 11. What's this like with hats to, like, the table drill? It's for your head to roll it. But now it's head to shape like that. Why are they big? The floppy bit. The floppy bit. You'll look back in that. And if we're still doing this podcast. In 24 years. There you go. I had this hat like, you know, it was, like, it was really long. It was more like a sock on me. You never got a head into it. It just had a flaps around and up. But they were at the end here. You never got a head into it. We should get off this topic quickly, eh? [Laughing] [Laughing] Troyer asks, what's the best shit you've ever had? We've all had one, don't lie. What's the best shit you've ever had? That's amazing. How do you know what I haven't been? The two have hadn't the past two of days. You know what I'm saying? [Laughing] There's a scene in there, you know, when I was American, so I was like, I don't know which one it is. But you know what your man's asking the doctor? He's like, I keep wiping. And there's just more shit. It's like I'm wiping a market. [Laughing] It's horrendous. I mean, you know, you're a bit paranoid. [Laughing] Go back out to the desk sitting there, working away. [Laughing] I wonder if I wipe that enough now. Should I still be in there? [Laughing] It was never ending. Two days in a row. [Laughing] I'm worried about what tomorrow brings me out of this. [Laughing] Maybe you should start writing down your page with your ass. [Laughing] I think that might work. There's only one other fella, like, in the whole floor. But he's on the side, like, it doesn't matter what time I go out for a shit. He's in a different office, so it's not even as if he can see me going out. [Laughing] But it's down this appears to me off. But I go in, right? Have a show. You know what you want to sit there? You don't have a few minutes, like, taking a bit on your phone or whatever. He comes in, you just hear, like, nearly legging it into the stall. Like, it's frantic. He pulls his bags down and scores it in everywhere. [Laughing] It's a big hard horse. [Laughing] It's a big horrible hoax. And it's every time, like, it's a miracle, like, that's a mess. [Laughing] There's something, like, supernatural about it. It's not, like, the odds don't stack up. Like, he can't just come in every time I'm having a shit. No matter, like... [Laughing] Oh, yes! [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] Before we start, uh, personal note. [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] [Laughing] Before we start, uh, personal note. [Laughing] As Phil comfortably around the show last week, reaction to the Sadie's hosting was tremendously positive. One or two regulars didn't make a couple of courges notes. For example, Phil's crime said for God's sake, don't let Casey have the helm again. The admin was all over the shop. That'd be this bit. James O'Reegan said the admin was mad, sounded like Smashing and Nicy. Sam McGuire said, "Will Phil be doing the porno-themed admin section again?" That's quite an impression you made here. Andy told you about your 90s pirate radio vibes. So, anyway, we'll just go on. Nice. We'll get back on to what we normally- In a charity. And we will shout it out for Astro Park. Book your pitch time Astro Park. We want to mention the A.I.P. channel. That's @A.I.P. channel where you'll find a hell of a lot of quality pods, including our own from tomorrow. And we want to mention your day trippers tonight. They were Paul Brennan and the young Phil Casey. I'm a self-drive downy. Get out those guys. Daddy came fond to the pool. That might look up that small wrist thing now after what you're saying. [Laughing] So if the new camp burned down, right? [Laughing] And you're not burned down. And you're having problems. Now you have to take it to Anfield, right? [Laughing] [Laughing] Right there, yeah. This is the voice of the Mr. Arms. We know that you can hear us at men. You attacked our complex on Mars. And you will pay a heavy price. The next act of retaliation will be to destroy the city of London. Do you hear us men? We will destroy the city of London. [Coughing] All this week on NBC4, new products to new technology. Susan Hogan is showing you how local restaurants are changing the way we dine in and take out in this new world tonight at 6. A new twist on outdoor eating. A lot of it is creating flexibility. How one local restaurant is making their outdoor space mobile, giving you plenty of sunshine and social distance for a stress-free meal. It's all part of restaurant revitalization. Tonight at 6 on NBC4, working for you. Hey, imagine if all your frustrations about advertising your business could be solved right now. You should know that podcast listeners are more engaged in higher converting than any other advertising media. So try adhub today and reap the rewards of sprig yourself advertising platform. It makes it as effortless as ever to be heard by thousands, regardless of the listening app they use. 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