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Can we make it? Can we redeem ourselves? Is there anything left to grasp on to dearly? Well, joining me tonight, live from the bunker of doom, we have the Captain of Positivity, Mr. Dave Robert Thomas. We've got the Shawy Mike Wubble, Mr. Paul Brennan. We've got the man who put Quinn and Noel Quinn, Steve and Daly. And joining us for a tour and visit is Dave Hartley. So come along, join me, Big Phil, for the next hour, so of Tripper goodness. OK, so Trippers, let's talk that to me. Force lost in about 4,000,000,000 games. Fails pony, but what now? So, Dave Hartley, man in the studio tonight for your second visit to the bunker. How are you feeling? Captainism, how are you? Is it low? Where are we going to go? I was like, it's shocking results. Like, it was when the worst results of... I think it was the biggest capitulation I've seen in years. Like, everything went wrong. Like, it was just absolutely diabolical. And, I don't know, it wouldn't be too optimistic after that, to be honest. So what's my theory on it is that Brian and Rogers has this way of getting people open for things true kind of emotion, right? So it's all about this kind of, "Oh, I live my pool. Everything's great, building it up, building it up." And when it works, it's brilliant. Like, last year, for the city game, like the Holy Hillsboro anniversary thing, and everyone's going mental, but like, you know, even you can see the kind of edges starting to come off at when, like, you know, Henderson gets sent off or something stupid and all this, the blinkers come down. I think, you know, it's been kind of building over the same. Like, Brian and Rogers getting more full of himself. The whole team being like, "Oh, yeah, we're on this run now. Everything's brilliant, you know, coming along, coming along." But then, like, you come to the crunch game, the most win game. And for last year, it was against Chelsea. And they completely lost the plot. And everything, there was no right maroon to anything. And at the same point yesterday, everything was really frantic. Everything was just a bit mad, like everything was a bit of a healthier scalter. There was no fucking cop on. I think that's kind of the one thing I take from it, rather than anything, I think it was a bit of an aberration in terms of a result. Like, I don't think, I think we made it, you know, it looked better than the air. But I think that's the one thing you've been worried about. Can Rogers sort out that big game thing? Stephen Daly, there's a most not lose situation. Dave Hertider says we must win. And we last. Can we still do? Yeah, definitely. I think I'm actually very positive about our ability to do it. What's wrong with you? It's a funny one, actually, because I was. This game yesterday was the first one I've been nervous. It's the first one I've been nervous about all season. And I said it to you lads during the week. You know, I genuinely haven't felt nervous going into a game this season. All season now, when we were poor, when we were building a run together. The whole lot, even city, I wasn't nervous about it because I was kind of thinking, you know, a draw would be a good result of it. So for us to get the win that day was an absolutely smashing. I just felt there was an air of cockiness about the fans, the players, everything about us going into it. And I'm forgetting that Man United is still a squad full of excellent players. Yeah, they haven't been playing well. But, you know, all it takes is for them to just get themselves up for it on the day. And they're well capable of matching us for quality on the park. And they did yesterday. Without question, they played absolutely brilliant, quick moving football, which nullified our half-arse attempt at pressing, in my opinion. You know, we can go on to what went wrong and I'm sure we will dissect it over time. But, you know, they just moved that ball so quickly that we didn't know what to do. You know, I think we were set up thinking we were going to come up against a slow, one-dimensional Man United that we were going to be able to brush aside by pressing them, keeping them pegged back in their own box and working from there. Or doing, some people have mentioned that they taught Brandon set up to actually draw them on and work them the first half and then hit them the second half. I don't know, they just do even got those tactics, right? Paul, taking that, looking at it was, and we mentioned it last week, was the blueprint not there from Swansea for what, you know, it needed to do against us. Now, look, you know, he set them up. They looked in all of where Henderson and Adam. They looked to push them back and create a gap so that the fun tree wasn't. And effectively they used very similar to the way that Swansea used Galmes, that he played, started, he came in, well, initially he tried with Chan, but didn't really succeed, but then dropped in and then Hoppe Joellen was just able to win everything and pick up balls. You know, we praised Rogers for his in-game tactics and changing it around. Was he a bit slow on the draft to change things around to this game, even though he looked to change it at half time? I don't know, there's been a lot of talk about, you know, Van Hal versus Rogers and how Van Hal kind of won the tactical battle, but I'm not sure how much I buy into that. I just think a lot of what was to do with the players, I think there was a real kind of rabbit in the headlights, kind of, ah fuck, we're being hit by, you know, it had come out as like a boss here, and we just couldn't deal with it at all. It was fairly simple, kind of. They pressed us fairly well, and they hit the ball moving. But I just thought, you know, our players just couldn't, there was no kind of, there was no balls available, basically, we're all without the ball. I think that the four in front of our defenders, I think they let themselves get marked far too easily. I think they're obviously then pressing, but it was nearly non-existent. It was so kind of reactive, there was no kind of, we didn't have a picture of what you know you were doing, it was all kind of, oh the ball's going over to the right now, let's all run over there. And now they've moved back into the center, it was just so hilly, pigly, and there was just no cohesion with the ball or without it. So I don't really buy into it that like Rogers was out taught really by Van Hal. You can see after the first half hour, we started coming into it. I think that was just, you know, you're not going to keep up that sort of pressing all the time. So I think as the game wore on, if it did kind of, in its natural manner, I think we would have come into it, but obviously Jared pissed that up at the wall. No, don't be peppered us for more than about 25 minutes. Well, to be honest with you, I didn't see the peppering at all. Minulate them that you didn't know. I don't know what to do. So a couple of things you said there, first of all, I think there was no defense, right? We'd use all three subs, about a 26 minute. Like every game we play, we're like, "Fucking hell, taking him off, getting him on, moving." You know, fucking relax a little bit here. Second thing, he does change enough to 25 minutes to his credit. He moves Henderson from playing deep and central to wide right, that he goes and stands right next to where Fellaini is winning all the balls off. John, but Fellaini just moves then, and that's fine. So we did a little bit of reach again. I think in hindsight, I know that I'm going to talk about, you watched the game with hindsight to kind of look at some of the decisions we could have made. You know, you probably could have moved Switch, Skirtland, Jan across. You know, that's probably the one in-game thing you could have done first half to put Skirtland Fellaini and Jan then in the middle allows him to come into the midfield and support that a little bit more. My biggest thing is, and again, this is all hindsight because I wasn't really that. It's not like I was really disappointed with the team, but I personally think Markovich should have started instead of either Sturridge or Nalana. So you either play Markovich ahead of Lalana, which means you move Stirling up front and play Markovich right wing back, or you play Markovich instead of Sturridge and you play Stirling up front, keep Lalana behind him and play Markovich on the right wing back, because I think that Stirling, Coutinho needs runners, and Lalana is not a runner. No, no. And the reality is you either got to have Markovich as the runner coming from right wing back, or Stirling didn't do that, or you got to Stirling and Sturridge as the runners. So I think there are small things, but to go back to the Vangal versus Roger's thing, for all the talk of how great you and I did were, they had one shot on target, which was the Matta goal, which is a fantastic goal, and it's Moreno switches off for 30 seconds, and we could talk about the game that he had. But apart from that, it's keep ball in the middle of the park. Yeah, and I suppose, you mentioned Stirling there, and just going back to the wing backs. Both of them were getting, Stirling was getting volleys, and Moreno was getting volleys, and even looking at the goal, and I know we were discussing it beforehand. I'm still convinced that Moreno tinks handles winning that ball, it's going into failing. And we talked about it, right? Yeah. And so we should address Moreno now, because he has got absolute pelters over the last couple of days, right? And he had a bad game. But Moreno is the out ball for our entire attack inside, right? The ball goes to Coutinho, and we only ever played on the left-hand side. So Moreno is being told by the manager, you're the out ball. So whenever the opposition has the ball, he's got two things in his head, and he isn't thinking, I've got a mark, and that's the only thing I've got to do. I've got to defend, that's the only thing I've got to do. He's thinking, I've got to, like, the minute we get the ball, I've got to be gone. And to your point, he anticipates an interception, anticipates that we're going to win the ball, and psychologically, or mentally, he's gone, even if it's only mentally, he's gone like half an inch forward and gone right and going forward. And then he's got caught. And that's his fault, and he should get criticism for it. But we've got to remember, in that system, we do not play down the right-hand side. Moreno's the out ball. Therefore, mentally, he's always thinking, "I've got to run forward. I've got to run forward. I've got to run forward." He still switches off us to where Matta is, because if he waits to see if we win that ball, he's beating Matta by 15 yards over 30 yards, with the pace he has. Matta's not going to track him. No, he has to be 10 yards. He's thinking in his head, the minute we get the ball, I've got to make up. Now, he's not about beating Matta. It's about his territory, where he is on the pitch. He's thinking 10 yards, I've got to get. But I suppose... He's wrong to the goal. And that's, listen, we could spend a half an hour dissecting what he did, what he did, and how he was wrong for the goal. It leaves Matta with an acre of space. And it's an excellent finish as well. And the reality is... You can ask him to take that shot 10 more times, and he's not putting it in, probably. There's no system. Do you have a point about the Swansea game, right? And do we not learn the lessons? There is absolutely no system that you can play that another manager isn't going to find weaknesses. So you've got to go... Is the system that has... You know, a lot of people saying, yeah, Emory Jan is not going to send the back. We shouldn't play 3 at the back anymore, you know. This experiment has failed. This fucking experiment, we've lost one game of 14 games. You stick with that system, and you tweak it, and you make... You accept that there's going to be some three days where people are going to work you out. But just taking that on the wing backs, and looking at... The key point of wing backs is keeping a high up the pitch. If they drop back in, you end up with a back five, and you have a deep midfield. Which is affected what you know you did to us in that forced half. But those wing backs tend to take their line of the pitch off the sentiment field. So going back, it was the fundamental issue yesterday. Not the wing backs, not the performance of Alana, which was incredibly poor. But the fact that our midfield got so far pegged back, that it actually brings our whole team back. And instead of having a back three, we end up playing with a back five. Yeah, I think that's 100% true. I think Henderson and Alana are both anonymous. You can say what you're under, but Stephen Gerard did more in 43 seconds than Joanna did in old fucking 90 minutes. That's definitely true. Because Joanna only did lose the ball with four times in the field, and then not do anything. We didn't have the ball, so he wasn't blocking spaces or whatever. It's just the whole midfield was too far deep. We played way too deep, the whole way true. Like that team has no mobility at all. It's way and really going to win a sprint against Sacco. Not a chance. It's matter going to win a sprint against Moreno. Not a chance. Flainey's slow. They're all slow. So why are we sitting outside on 18 air box, which was our problem defending all last season, was we were too deep, and we let them come onto us. And that means that we had, Alana, we had storage with, all of us had sitting up past the halfway line. Then we have Alan and Henderson at the 18 air box. We have an offenders further back than that. And then they're slow players got the passing around us. And wait, like, well, they didn't even do that. They just passed around in front of us. Just in front of us. But if we'd sat up with, like, I think we could have played, we could have played the second highest line in the world yesterday. And they wouldn't have got him behind us because they're just not quickly. If memory of D. Maria came on, maybe we would have to sit back a bit then. But like, until D. Maria came on, what was the threat that they were so afraid of? Who's going to run in behind us? I think the criticism of Alan, I understand it. But they were both made to look anonymous. I think it's the problem is that they were essentially doing three months worth of two men. And that's where we should have changed. If you've got a fast passing team, which is what they were yesterday. They were able to just ping those little triangular passes around the two lads who looked like they were running around. It was even worse for Alan then because when, at 25 minutes when Rogers finally cops on the Henderson, right, go and stand next to Fellain issue in the second ball. That means Alan has the rest of the pitch to cover as the defensive midfielder. And then he gets exposed because the ball just looks lost then. So I think that there's small things where you put them all together and suddenly they score. It means they don't have to push forward. I think they scored after 13 minutes or 17 minutes or whatever it was. They don't have to play forward. But I agree about the high line. I was a bit amazed that we sat so deep. But that is a fault that is something the skirtle does. He drags the entire defense. But it's funny, by sitting deep, we shouldn't be cut out by that ball to matter. You know what I mean by that? If you're saying our two wing backs take their position off the centre midfielders and we wanted them pushed on another 10 yards. You know, if we're sat deep and the wing backs are taking their position off the centre midfielders, that ball to matter shouldn't be on because there shouldn't be the amount of space there was. But that's one thing. I think what we probably would all be sitting here having a different conversation about is I think when Gerard was coming on for La Lana it was absolutely the right move to make. I don't know if it was the right thing to play him as the deepest of the three midfielders. And he was trying to change the shape. But I think we'd be sitting here having a different conversation if we'd got 44. I think La Lana needs to come off. I think there's an argument. I think there's an argument. Jerry's the change. But an even bozier move would have been to put Ballet earlier and play Coutinho behind two strikers. I mean, there's an argument. I understand why Jerry's and I understand because we're losing the midfield battle. I understand why because of what happened against Swansea he's gone. Well, I put Jared on against Swansea and he just took control of the midfields. Of course, that's what I'm going to do in this in this move. But I actually think course is for courses, you know, a little bit. I would have liked to have seen him gone a little bit bolder and then something a little bit more. No, saying that. Jerry comes on, he pushes third and up front. We probably would have got the same result. I was just going to say, even if you didn't bring Jared on, I still think over Balletelli Markovich, like we were talking about how it showed a start-ish. Yeah, you know what I mean? Absolutely. And obviously there's a reason for that. But like that, if that had been an option, you know, someone to go in at that right wing back and push sterling up. Just watching Balletelli come on yesterday, it was really, really poor. Paul, the La Lana equation doesn't make any sense to you. Can you find an answer to the La Lana equation? Is there any logic in your head that would, you know, see you move potentially one of the best young players in Europe? To right wing back to accommodate a player who over the last couple of games have been struggling for four. I know, but with La Lana, I think, obviously, whenever he's mentioned, I think the price gets dragged into him. Like, he's a decent squad player. But like, yeah, like for the, you know, for basically the last three games, he's been kind of, like, Sterling's been shifted around to accommodate La Lana and without any return for a reason. So, yeah, that was one of the things where I was looking at as kind of like, La Lana starting. That was the only kind of real problem I had with the lineup that once again, Sterling was getting shifted out to the wing back position. So La Lana can play. Yeah, like, so I agree completely. I thought, Mark, I thought it was strange that he didn't play at all. It would have been a lot more comfortable with that. And I think the type of player La Lana is, like, you will get, there are games where you can play them and you can expect something. But I've never, I've never looked at it, you know, in that kind of crunch game. I think, oh, yeah, you're definitely going to get a performance out of La Lana here. Look, going back to what we're saying, we were very reactive and depressive. I mean, if you look at the way La Lana plays and, you know, when we've talked about the trade that he's worked well in, it has no problem with Daniel's storage. Because he's had Sterling, he's had Catino and himself who were able to all equally press and press as hard. Is there something there that we're trying to fit him in because I'm a high bring of the price tag? Well, you know, because we've paid so much money for him that these are the big games and this is when you want to have your £25 million players on the pitch. Like, even the chance to fall still. I'm not, I don't want to break his balls over the chance, but, you know, would you have more confidence if, say, it was Sterling in that position or Catino in that position? Probably not, actually. But it's more of a general play thing. Like, I think La Lana is, like, if it's going to drop on someone's bad for it, he's probably the one player. You would say he's actually decent on his left foot and you would expect him to score it. But I think in Rogers' defense here, I don't think Catino's Sterling and the storage has worked that well together in the system so far. I think, I think we have to try and, there are three most dangerous players but far, and we have to try and make it work. But, like, it probably hasn't worked really well. I can't think off the top of my head again where it's really clicked and we've really demolished someone with it. So maybe, maybe that's in Rogers' thinking as well. But I think, definitely, for games like that, you have to try and make it work. You have to, like, especially earlier on when it's not working, it's clearly not working with La Lana there. I would have said, immediately, like, gets down and further, for let them kind of give them something to think about. Fair enough. La Lana would be the person that I'd sacrificed for that. Dave actually, to lighten me a little bit, me and you lay and go, "Great as well as the footwork you were showing in the box." The dancing feet. How many hard attacks were you having on these skipping by players and not some people in the hole? So many hard attacks. And I think, even, like, that stupid goal court was scored yesterday. I didn't even let him even. That was what I was imagining going through my head, was making it 18. He's 14th croyf turn and then just someone taking it off his toe and... Oh, if you look at La Lana, have a back on. It's amazing, definitely. It's just some croyf transition. Jan did a croyf turn tackle there a few weeks back. La Lana did one of them every two steps. And he got me to lead one of them in the box on his own. He did great to me on himself. And then looked as if to say, "Where the fuck is the ball going?" (LAUGHTER) But it does show the tour around the confidence that he has. Coming back to the penalty save, I know the penalty save means nothing at the end. But, like, is that a really, like, you know, put... It's not really scoring. It's not really scoring. It's not really scoring. I actually think that's a confidence booster. Like, I actually even think losing that game 3-1 puts a much harsher... It's much harder. A much harsher term on it. Like, when you think about the fact that we played half a game with 10 men, lost the 2-1 and really possibly... Like, okay, I'm stretching it there saying we could have got something out of it. But there was times when you felt, "Okay, actually, when storage scores that goal, you think, fuck, this could be on." You know, and if that's your top 4 rival that you're playing with 10 men and able to do that, that's why the positivity is there, right? I think there's far too many games of the teams... Sorry, for the teams above us, there's far too many games left of them playing each other for us to be overly worried. Okay, forget Chelsea away. We might mix something there. We go and beat Arsenal in our next match. And we're right back in it. And that's the way I look at it. Fuck Aston Villa for United. Let's just think about it. We need to catch one of them. We don't need to catch United. We need to catch one of them. You know, we beat Arsenal for what? Three points behind them? Fuck it. You know what I mean? They're well capable of bottling it as well. And for how late we were in the 4th half hour, we did show a bit of character, like, to make a game of it in the second half. And, you know, they didn't really seem to know what to do with us. The way we kind of came out and said, "Ah, sure, we'll give it a go." They kind of sat off. They stopped attacking nearly by the end. And yeah, I think I followed a few United fans on Twitter and they were saying, "What the fuck are we doing here?" Because we did kind of make a game of it. So, like, that is one puzzle for all... Like, the first half hour was completely demoralised and was horrible to look at. And then, while Jarrah did, while Balletelli trying to get fucking sent off as well, there were two absolute clowns yesterday. So, like, it does piss you off. But it's not, like, the end of the world, I don't think. Look, we didn't get beat by AFC fucking Wimbledon. I mean, at the end of the day, they're a team full of championship... You know, they are premier league-winning players, some champion league-winning players managed by a guy who's won league titles in three different countries and won the Champions League. They're not a fucking part-time bunch of muppets, like, you know, and any fan expecting us to... Have you heard people saying that if Liverpool... Someone said, "If Liverpool lose to this United team, they don't deserve top four." As if United did, like, a bunch of chumps. You know, they're a good side, and we got beaten by them. We shouldn't have got beaten by them. I don't think we would have lost if we done 11 men. Right. I suppose that there is a fucking massive element in the realm. And Ballet's trumpet and doing clicks out of the corner, right? So, yeah. And beside the elephant's deal. (LAUGHTER) But, you know, let's bring it back to what you just talked about. The Gerard incident, right? And I also want to tie in the performance of Martin Atkinson, the referee as well. And I'm not criticizing the decision to send him off. It's black and white, in my view, right? But again, you know, you bring the player on. He's got bags of experience in the whole lot. Can anyone here understand how you could be so loyal up, going into a game where it's only one nil, you know, that you've been sent on to put some control and composure back into the game to go in like a complete lunatic for the Forest Hackle and then react the way he did when he was actually one of three, yeah? Yeah, that's the bit that's absolutely sickening, is that if he has, like, you've brought him on for his experience, his game management from his own point of view and from the players around him, you would think the quickest way for us to get back into that game at one nil is for that tackle to come in studs up and him to go to ground like he's been shot. Yeah, okay, he hits the deck like, you know, like wherever he's gone. Well, even if Herrera's not gone, he's getting a booking, and he's getting a, that is your last one. You don't get another fucking offside. And in 30 seconds, he's done matter and Herrera. Yeah, absolutely, okay, so it puts the crowds up for it. They see the captains back on, he's after doing this, he sets the tone for the fucking, for the players around them, and you fucking boys, let's get into this. Let's see that from all of you, you know what I mean? I'll take a fucking yellow if we have to, whatever it might be, that's the mentality. And it's possibly the most sickened I've ever been by him. And all the challenges he's made over times yesterday to just be sat there and think, this was your chance to do something for the side and to have been so selfish. And there's a selfish element to it, you know, you can say whatever you want. It's him right there thinking, "Fuck you, Herrera, you've tried to do me in a tackle." And just stomping on him. And that, you can forgive a 22-year-old Stephen Gerard for doing that. You can't forgive a 35-year-old Stephen Gerard for doing that. And, you know, for anybody out there who's saying, "Oh, it was great to see him," you know what I mean? And it's a pity he didn't get away with it or whatever it might be. It's fucking idiotic. Dave, Harry, just on that, right? Then let's take it into Atkinson himself in terms of performance. There was absolute pelters going around and he was having like a horrific game and everything like that. Well, he watched the back later on and I've decided I didn't think he'd have a particularly good game as a referee. But, you know, looking at the way he refed it, were you up incensed about it as the match is progressing and you were looking at it live? And did you feel that he was letting an awful lot go for you noises? Or was it fairly 50-50 in terms of what he was looking at? I don't think he did too badly. I think there was two things, like, on top of the top of my head that he'd let go, which was D. Maria's stupid handball, which should have been a kind of straightaway. He can't do that. He can't, like, it's not a role to be like. No, it's kind of just catch a ball and he carried him. He called him, Eric. He took it down. Yeah, he watched him with six nations again. But you can't do that. And then Phil Jones, like, I think the reason why Lana came off wasn't even a tactical decision. He planned it. Is it already broken? Phil Jones is going true. And how that was not a card, or even a free kick, is insane. Like, he, that was like an NFL-stoiled body check into him. And in fact, that's not, that's an end. Then it's tackling Henderson. Jones is tackling him. Yeah. But that's just. That could have been in a straightaway. Yeah. It's just a challenge on Hendo. But the thing is, if Atkinson deals with that one on Lalaan in the first half, it's down to ten apiece. I don't think, I personally don't think that it was a card for D. Maria. You know what I mean? If he did that in the fucking center circle fair enough, yeah, Rob Carney would have been happy with it. But my point is, he's a fucking half. He's not even half a yard away from the line. He thinks it's going out. He doesn't want to wait fucking 30 seconds for some ball boy to get it from. He thinks, right, I'll catch it. He's made a mistake. It's a free out. That's the fucking end. I think, I think it's a free out. It's a fucking fucking at least. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. But you can't catch a ball in a hitch. And it's not fucking Bob Bob, yeah. You're a whore. I'm sorry. In the sense that it was, when I say it wasn't a deliberate handball, it was accidentally because he believed he'd stepped over the line and was out of play. What if you were that tick? But if a goalkeeper comes out of his box and thinks he's in his box, it's a red card. Yeah, yeah. Orly, even before he was starting up. He's got the other card. He gets a ball and he puts his hand out and grabs the ball. Starting his got the other card for that. I understand. I'm not saying that he couldn't have been booked yesterday. I'm saying, personally, if it was a Liverpool player that was booked for that same thing, I'd be, and all of you would be saying it's a fucking ridiculous decision. And it was very harsh on the player and he shouldn't have been booked. But I'd say don't catch the ball you're talking about. He's a fucking lot together. What about the game? Rony's a fucking sly, cunty tackle on a menu where he came down. And he's walking away smiling and everything. Is that not a fucking red card? Red card seems like it. No, but the lines man can see it. I think he's the one that got Gerard sent off because he's screaming stamp. I think that it was a niggly game. I think it was physical and borderline from the beginning when Fellini starts going up, as he does with elbows and bad tackles and all that kind of stuff. And I think what happens with those types of games is if the referee doesn't shut it down pretty quickly, then he starts having to let so much go that it has to be something like Gerard's stamp for him to finally gain control of it. So what I think happens in that game is they refer to be fair to him. To be fair, a lot of referees wouldn't have sent Gerard off there. A lot of referees would have gone 30 seconds into the second half. He's the Liverpool captain. It's Stephen Gerard. I could easily pretend I haven't seen this now and give me an attempt to calm the fuck down. So I think you've got to take, you know, you want the referee to make the right decisions. I think when it came to the major instance in the game, he got most of them right. I think there's some borderline ones which as a Liverpool fan you want to see him call. The rule you want is probably a good example. We could be nine versus ten. I mean, it's full time by then, I know. But to bring it back to the Gerard thing, sorry, I just want to follow up on what Steve was saying. So it's two things for me. First of all, I think that you can't, I'm annoyed at him. I'm actually more annoyed that he came out and did the apology after the game, if I'm honest, right? Because I don't think that's his place to come out and say that. I don't think he should be the first person interviewed after that game. I think that's two, I'm telling you now, if John Terry did it, right? We'd all be on Twitter and saying, look at that twat. It's what John Terry did against Barcelona. When they lost the Barcelona and they're saying we finally get sent off. He gets interviewed in a tunnel straight after and he's apologized and it's like taking everything away from the team. So that's, I think the apology shouldn't have done that. But I do have some sympathy for him. Not that I have sympathy for what he did, I have sympathy for anything like that. I just feel he's the type of guy that I, you know, imagine what he's feeling today. This is his last 10 games with Liverpool where he spent, you know, fucking 50 years with us. He's going to miss three of them through his suspension. His last game against mine and I did a get sent off. He had a terrible game in the Derby. He must be thinking that I think he should have just gone in January. Like he should have gone in January. He should have announced it and said I'm going, see ya. I'll be back for a testimony at the end of the season because it's just turning into like a fucking nightmare for him. And he is, he's not the type of player, Jared, who can just ride this off. He's not the type of player who's just going to get up in the morning and go, all right, it's behind me now. This is going to like, it's going to talk to you, it's going to stew. I think, I think if we beat, I think if we beat Blackburn though in the cup, then I think you could actually see him rectified the mistake he's made. Possibly, you know what I mean? I think, I think possibly, maybe that's me being a romantic Andy style for them. But no, I think, I think you could see that. I think you could see him trying to make amends for it. Because as you say, like I don't feel sympathy for him. I feel sad for the fact that that's how he will be remembered. That's more what I mean. You know what I mean? But I don't feel sympathy for him today and how he's feeling because I think it was premeditated. If he had gone in and smashed matter and got the red card, if he'd misjudged that and smashed him in a tackle and he got the red card, I would actually have sympathy for him today. I would say he was trying to set a tone. What he did was just disgusting. It really was. And if it was done to one of our players, listen, we went fucking ballistic over Costa doing it to Chan. And, you know what I mean? He was everything. I know you're not. I'm just saying, you know, there are tons of people feeling sympathy for him today. And I don't think that that's a correct emotion. No, but when it comes to Jared, I think it's hard to calibrate. You know what I mean? Because, you know, you've got some people who want him to never play again and, you know, think he's like, you know, trick going over board because they think that half the fan base is going the other way. And it's like, it's hard to tell what's an authentic reaction to it. I actually thought it was fucking hysterical when it happened. I laughed a lot, right? Because it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Steve, where were you when it happened? [laughter] Okay, the truth is, I was in the jacks. [laughter] I basically, the match was starting back and I was there and I was trying to fix something on the computer at half time and stuff like that. And I was looking and the match, the second half kind of crept up on me. So I came back on and I was like, oh, bollocks, he was standing on the sideline, waiting to go on. And I was like, oh, ground, okay. So I fucking ran out and I was trying to, you know, I was in one of those situations where you're trying to force your piss out. You know what I mean? Like, come on, come on, come on. I'm trying to push it from your fucking bladder. Come on! You know? Sorry, to get it out quicker. No, quicker than to start it. To get out quicker, no, no, no. To get it out quicker, I was trying to increase the flow. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, it was one of those real scaldy washes of the hands. [laughter] I'm pretty sure I didn't even want any soap on. I just gave them an else splashing under the water, dabbed them off the tail and ran back out. And I could just hear him. I can't remember what Tyler exactly was saying, but he was saying something like, that is so silly, so, so silly. And I was going, what's silly? What's silly? I had to go on the fucking run. And the cunts wouldn't tell me anything else, guys. They just kept on talking about how silly and stupid it wasn't. Oh, that's a terrible thing. You know, but would not mention what had actually happened. But you missed the pream butter, right? Because that sent us that Tyler is saying when he's going, so silly, so silly. It starts, right? Like, 10 seconds before he gets sent off with him going, "Steve and Jared, with an encyclopedic knowledge of this picture." [laughter] Back, red card, silly, so silly. It was like, it was perfect. It was like, you know, it was like, "Cury comes and it's like, he's going to get on a bang, red card." I'll leave it short to where I was, "Oh, bollocks." [laughter] Yeah, but I just didn't have a clue what had happened. I had to get on the fucking WhatsApp to you boys. And I was like, "What the fuck just happened? What's happened? What's happened?" Well, my initial thought was that Herrera got sent off because Herrera's on the ground. It comes in, and Jared makes an arm movement as if to say, "Jesus, that's a bad tackle." So, I thought, "Oh, Herrera's gone." And then, when General went off, I just started laughing. I was like, "Fuck it, hell. You can't make that up. That is brilliant." Well, it's gone mad because it looked like the way Herrera did it. He made a look on first view on, like, Herrera had caught him. Yeah. And, you know, we did the big, the hand gesture, and all the ref kind of came over, and he gave Jarred the red. And I was like, "No, that's fucking bollocks. What the fuck?" [laughter] It shows the replay. You fucking tits. Oh, you absolute dick. What are you doing? Do you see the lawyers running the background? He stamped on him. He stamped on him. He stamped on him. He stamped on him. He stamped on a fucking ground. [laughter] Like it was Herrera's down with the two of the lawyers. He stamped on him. That's my son. That's my son. Look at him. He stamped on him. We need Jarred my dude. Fucking snitches. Snitches. Snitches. Snitches. [laughter] Oh, God. Then we found Smoke's again. Positive slads. Storage is finished. Storage is gone. Excellent finish on his bad foot. And fuck it. It wouldn't have mattered if he got a dribbly one in from two yards. Just getting back on the score sheet. It's what he needs. He still doesn't look close to his previous best. But fuck it. Maybe that's what he needs. I was one in here a few weeks back in January saying, "Maybe Balotelli has something to play for." He did go on and score a couple of crucial goals after that. But he was just disgusting again yesterday in terms of just... Yeah. Maybe it's just the way he is. In fact, it is just the way he is. But when you're in a match down to ten men trying to scrap for something out of the game and you see him just nonchalantly walking around instead of trying to close down and press, it just winds me up. And it doesn't matter who it was. It wouldn't matter if it was Lambert. It wouldn't matter if it was Sterling anybody. If they had that sort of walk around. And storage actually, to be fair, there was times in the first half where you're looking gone, okay, that's all you're expecting them to move across and press as a unit. And storage looks disjointed from that front three unit, which is what Sterling Coutinho and Alana looked so good at doing against City. They looked like they were in perfect sync and harmony in terms of what they were trying to do. Okay, Dave, we were talking beforehand. You were a slightly different opinion on Balotelli's impact when he came on. I thought Balotelli was good when he came on. I think he was okay, obviously, the red mist came down a bit when he was lucky that he didn't connect with Glenna or Smolting over the corner. The fans intervention there, can I help them out? Again, I thought that was nasty from Smolting. He flings him into the fucking barrier. Balotelli has started it though. I know, but what I'm saying is it was a throw it over each other. Yeah, I think for either of them, I think yet again the referee does a good thing there in how he deals with the situation and the fact that he doesn't book either of them. I mean, just get the fuck on with it lads and man up, you know what I mean? So I think when Balotelli came on, I thought he's very good director on it. I think he did a couple of times down the wing. He bullied past people and you know he didn't like it at all. But also when Balotelli comes on, I think Sturridge looks better. I think Sturridge plays much better when he's in a partnership. When he's got more handle on the position, when he's up with someone. Because a lot of what Sturridge does, which is good, especially even now, is a lot of kind of off the ball runs. He does a lot of kind of direct runs in behind people. He does the same run like three times. Run five yards stop, ball didn't come, go back, do the same run again. Like over and over again, he does it a good bit. When Balot's there and he's over, taking high balls or whatever. When Sturridge makes those runs, it opened up space. And there was a lot more space in around open up. The defense in the first half just got the set. And there wasn't much they could do. But I think that Carrick was badly done for the goal. I think that was because he was dragged in a position. Because the fact that we had more dynamism up front. I think I thought that Balot was decent when it came on. Obviously, he's still a bit of a head case. I think he made us look better. Which made him look better, if that makes sense. I think if you just analyze his direct contribution, it's probably not that great. To Steve's point, I think if you just look at what Balot really did, he probably wasn't that great. What he does do is have an impact on the game. I think to your point, what then happens is... Our shape changes. Our shape changes. We get more space. Sturridge suddenly gets a bit of space. Coutinho gets a bit of space. So, I guess he's more excited than I am. You know what it is for me? It's the fact that he has it in his locker. And it's like, you know, it really is like he... And I'm not slagging Roger's hair. It's like he... There is something there between the two of them quite clearly. And he just doesn't want to do it. You know, he really is one of... He's an absolute prima donna that needs to be told he's amazing and have the arm around the shoulder. And his balls rub before he goes out of the pitch and whatever else. You know, he generally needs some sort of major fucking ego boost every time he says something. What about Balotelli? Yeah. I'm not talking about our game on Saturday. Yeah, like that. But I just think there is so much more from him or there should be so much more. And listen, every club he's ever played for probably thought the same thing is what we're thinking now. Why are we actually... When he came on and immediately... The first thing he does is change his Phil Jones into the corner and creases him across the back of his calf. And it gets there, what are you diving for? This shows a replay, studs there on the calf. He's got a guy there. All I was thinking was, do we have an actual fucking human being on the bench with a functioning brain? We'll bring Jared on half within a minute. Bring Balotelli on, he does his best. The fucking crowd have to hold him back for himself. I'm just looking at the screen going, "What is going on here?" He's like, "You're not a bit in fucking Zoolander." He's like, "I feel like I'm taking craziness." I'm like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." He's like, "I don't want to do that." I mean, if he wants to whack smaller, then he's going to go whack smaller. Straight in the mouth. Like, fuck it. Paul, big positive. Sacko, hairboarders that are the fucking... He's a legend, isn't he? Yeah, I thought he was basically the only player who, for 90 minutes, looked like he was kind of inspired by the occasion rather than intimidated by it. Like, there was a few times where, you know, the ball was, you know, we were real kind of like, "Oh shit, the ball, the ball's here." That's nearly. And the ball, there was one there that was bouncing around midfield. And all you see is Sacko's saying, "Make it up, fuck it all the way." Like, he's like, "Really?" I thought he had a really good game. I thought the three defenders were like, for all the stick chance gotten, I think there's not an awful lot you can do when, for Laney, stand number sides and the ball's being hoofed up. He's lashing your elbows at them. Yeah, yeah. People are giving Sean abuse for getting a seven out of 10 rather than his eating right in half, you know? I can't understand the back. That's what happens when you don't play it. I'm like, "Well, yeah, shut the fuck up." I mean, name something he did wrong. Okay, and penalty. That's a soft penalty as well. That's a soft penalty by then. This is what I was saying to Dave Thomas. Like I said, small instance in a game like that, right, can suddenly change the color of the white people. We're always watching the back 'cause I'd read, like, you know, "Ah, chance fucking having a mayor." He's on another game. You're watching him sort of intently. So where's this mayor coming from? Where's this mayor coming from? And you're looking at him. Well, he's beaten for Laney there, and he's dealing with him. He falls on his arse against that deli blend, and in the space of about two minutes afterwards, he slices the clearance and can say, right, you can see where it went. That's on the volley, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. When he gets it on the body and spins it, spins it off from in the day's edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's doing two things there, and he's got a fellow of a sliced Akira's shit game. Yeah. And then the penalty at the end. So if you watch it all the way through, 'cause then he gets pushed to right wing back, then he goes to right back, and he's fucking marauding down the right... And at times he's also filling in for Henderson in the center midfield because Henderson... I have to say, personally, I thought Henderson looked like a fellow who needed a break, because he just... The battery seems to be one of them. I thought even against Swansea, he was struggling to get back. You're nearly hoping to start for England. Yeah. Well, I tend to know, considering that I did a 68% possession play the entire second half against ten men, they had four shots on target. So you can argue about our defense, but I actually thought... One of which was his penalty, and the other one is... Two of the others are wonder goals for Matta. So, I'm sorry, the defense played well. You know, one of my favourite moments down the game was when, you know, it looked like the break, and it looked like Falco was true, and I don't know what Sagar does, but he seems to do a creef tournament that pulls the bar away. It was just like on set. A fair play. Yeah, that's pretty. Sagar was like, you know, in the Star Wars prequels, where he's just like, "It doesn't matter how many stormtroopers are around you." It's just more and more when Sagar's going, "I'm sorry, I'm a Jedi." It's fine. It's fine. I could just get it ready for you. Do you see him? Do you see him? Was the decision given against him at one stage? He goes... And he goes? Absolutely. Oh, you missed it. He's like a proper match, you think? You've got to go. You can just see him, like, grabbing at him, putting his head off with the other corner. Yes, pointing at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought he was going to hulk up, but he was like... "You want to make me when I'm angry?" "You want to make me when I'm angry?" "I want to hooray on the side." "I'm just going to finish him." [laughter] And Sagar's a dangerous open man, but I think that was probably the most dangerous I've seen. [laughter] Do you see the height that he jumped? [laughter] Yeah, he jumped the eyes, and he was like, "Fuckin' papa shango." [laughter] We just had a new drinking game, though, that every time a commentator says Sagar's uncomfortable on the ball. You've got to do a shot. You could never be awake for the second half of the match. It's fucking ridiculous, right? It's terrible. It's terrible. It's one of the worst cliches now in football. It's his lean-back passing style. Yeah, but the thing is, yesterday, he was our best player on the ball. He was our most accomplished player on the ball. He was the most consistent concentration player. And he might look a bit scary, but he's definitely our most... He's got the most big game mentality of anyone from the game yesterday. He was the most consistent, he was the most professional performance of anyone that maybe maybe you could argue. But him and me, other than him and me, everyone was a bit off the ball off the pace. Yeah. And... Sagar, it's just... It's become ridiculous. Are they even watching the games? No. Is that just pointless? No, it's... He's the best centre-back in the league. I wonder you're an agron against it. There's no one better than anyone. The only mistakes that he does make on the ball are by trying to overplay it. Like, it's not... It's not kind of always miscontrolled at Renton. It's because he's being given the ball, like under pressure. But let me tell you something. Like, I'm not just going to hoo for the Renton. When I was trying to play it out... When does he play a big slam up the field? He never plays that pass. That's the easiest pass for center-back to play, right? Just launch it for the odds. He never plays that pass. Skirt will play that pass. Even Emory Jan played that pass a lot yesterday. Can... Sagar always tries to play it a feat. So the worst-case scenario with Sagar is it goes out to touch. I said this. I think that last time was done. That's the worst-case scenario it goes out to touch. Which is where every fucking in the ground wants him to do anyway. He's putting it into touch. So what the fuck are you warning about? Jesus. It either goes to feet or goes into touches. It goes into touches. It goes into touches. It goes only his bad touches. Do what they want them to do. That's the fuck sake, you know. You wanted to put it into touch? It goes off. Fuck you, Sagar, which is 65-yard pass to feet. That spins through. Don't throw a fuck away. Open goal, you dick. But you love Skirtles. That to the right-down side and head into touch. They love that little move. Because Sagar takes it down. Beats at the van down and plays it in. It's always fucking dodgy on the ball. Fucking 30,000 people when Skirtles gets their head are gone. Bullshit. I don't know, I guess. If in doubt, put it out. No! Fuck it in the ball. Fuck it in the ball. Fuck it in the ball. The Swansea fans. They kept cheering. It was just getting quiet and quiet. Then 10 of them, she's doing quite fine. It's taking the ball with his rifle and on the swatch. I was like, fuck off. I suppose he's teasing. Just to wrap it up, as a team, are we still a bit nervous? Are we still a bit nice and a bit naive? Despite we've had, you know, we need to root the streaks in the hole. Are we just a bit naive? Look at the way, you know, it approached their players. There was a level of aggression that was controlled and was designed to destroy players and try to get a reaction out of them. You know what, Fellaini is sent out there to do his usual conti thing. He does it brilliantly. If he played for us, he would be an idol. Where he just goes around elbow and the shit out people. And the problem is nobody ever deals with them. You know, it's kind of disappointing. They probably kept them away from Sacco for that reason because Sacco probably would have kicked them up the hole. But, you know, he was allowed to dominate the way he was. And even it was worrying at times that we were playing the ball in his direction in the air. Like, I know you said earlier on, Phil, about the fact that you taught Jan. And you look back on it retrospectively, so I'll take your word for it. But I don't remember at any point thinking we had the better of him in the air. Regardless of who he was on. The only time we beat them was when we won the second ball. We never won it in the air. That's what I'm saying, but Phil said they were coming back with Jan. When I watched the back specifically trying to see... It's just watching it live, it never felt like that. It felt like every single ball he went off the ball. But that's because they kept hitting it on, right? And what he did was he came up. It was a good tactic. He was coming off. He started to come away from Jan when the ball was coming in. So, the balls went on as far into, say, Jan's own. He was dropping it to do. And he was dropping it to the space between Alan and him. So, it means that he was in a free space. Alan was dropping back in. And Alan's never done that. You want to give him a fucking bomb? But is that the issue? Do we need a bit more horses for courses? So, when you know you're going to have... We knew he was going to be playing purely for that life. Do we need to look at it, maybe from an area thing and say, "You know, actually, we can play again. We've enough players who are capable of playing in different positions. Let's just tweak it a bit. Let's deal with that threat specifically, and then we can get on from there." I thought we actually could have started with Lovren in the back three and put Jan in instead of Alan. For the physicality. For the physicality. And I think Jan would have been able to match Fellaini in that situation. And you're still, you know, I know people have... I wouldn't have had Lovren with anywhere near Fellaini. He would have been like, "Bambi, fall in love with us." Yeah, but that's my point, you know what I mean? They would have had to play Fellaini, which they didn't want to do. They didn't want to play Fellaini as a second striker. They wanted him in that area between the two. And I know he pushed on to Jan to try his look and didn't get it. I think Jan would have probably covered that space between Hendo and the back three better. A better, yeah. And another five. So it would have stopped. You know, listen, it's all... Or just getting three headers. When he steps into it, he starts getting three headers and he's winning those. Oh, yeah, and he would have been able to step in there. I don't think there's any crime in Fellaini winning the ball. I've been able to hold it up a bit because that's what he's going to do. The crime is like, for the first goal, when the ball gets fired into him and he's able to lay it off. What is it? Six yards to the side. And then they have her sentiment failure. It was right in front of her defense and splits us with the pass out to Matt. That's the problem. The problem isn't winning the first ball off. It's the fact that it was so easy for him to get a second ball off. Or lay a pass off because he's no craft whatsoever. He's not a good passer. It's just that Herrera was in absolutely acres of space beside him. And he could pick the pass out to Matt then because Moreno went... He's someone that needs a bit of credit as well. Herrera had it very good. Yeah. Herrera is, it would be a classic Brendan Ploughton. I'd love him. I think he's, you know, we were talking a little bit earlier about, I don't want to get into it, but what do you do in the summer? Unless you're looking for your Joanna upgrade. Yeah. Herrera's your Joanna upgrade. That's the example of a Joanna upgrade. You can do everything Alan can do just that little bit better. A little bit better. A little bit more classy. And just to your point, Fellaini, I think there is a real fine line between, you know, having a sense of identity in the way we play and a confidence in the way we play and then say, well, we're naive when it doesn't work. You know, so to be fair to Rogers and to be fair to the team. Like, I get that team list and I'm not unhappy with any of the back three. I'm not unhappy with the two sentiment fielders. Not necessarily too unhappy with the wing backs. I probably would have preferred stirring forward. That's the only thing that in my head I'm going, that's what we should have done. But, you know, I think that, of course, we should have been confident to play the system and the way we've been playing. You know, we're never going to have, we're never going to be dogs or war. We're never going to play someone who's going to kick the shit out of everyone again. There could be that little bit of natural aggression from all of the players that were on the field. We did freeze, but this is the other, sorry, just my final point. This is the other thing. You know, I did a full of people who've been there and done it before. They've been underperforming, but they are full, like I said earlier, a full of lead title winners and European Cup winners and a European Cup winning manager. And they know when it comes to big games, this is what you do. Hence the record in big games this season. It's unmatched by any of the other sources. We are also not very good when we're the favourites, my final point. We need to be the underdogs. We can't forget as well that we are battle city dealers. We're completely out for them. We're capable of it. Right, so to wrap it up, Paul, 78 points? Yeah, why not? Yeah, 78 points? No. 78 points? No, I don't see it now. No way, I should see. Yeah, 78 points. So I think we'll win every single game for now to the end of the season. I think we're game. I am Luzhwahre. You are listening to Trippen's Chat. Atalero! White lads. Trevor's Chat. Fuck. Jesus, bring back Trev. So, Enrique, a selfie stick. Back in full training three days. Up in holidays for a week. Is he a footballer? Or is he now employed by the BBC and Angela Rippen for holiday 2015? Yeah, I think he's got a touch of the trees and loals fucking wearing the world about him, you know? I think Enrique was in the crowd. No, he wasn't. He was flying somewhere. He was in the crowd holding Balotelli back. He's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, He's going to like the the nail salon and everything within are we go together we get a two or four on this gun can you just leave me the fuck off. A random ensemble is available for the Arsenal match, but he's still got three holidays there. So where do you reckon he's gone to? Yeah, because didn't you do, but he did the wider last time and took the naked selfies. I think someone has won him in a competition, you know, one of these like Meg and me like the black list. One of those uber underground criminals that just have him off doing their dirty work. I think the reason we've got around FFP is some weird twisted billionaires giving us some money to lock Enrique up in a basement. I believe accepted it greatly and it was Enrique and Suso, but we saw Suso first and I was Enrique and Manquio because no one seen Manquio for months. So Enrique and Manquio are in some German guys basement. But hey, we've got around FFP, so anything can be excused. Right in lads, nasty day jasks, half and half scarfs. No, fuck off half and half scarfs, boy. There is no reason. There's no reason. I honestly haven't even read these questions, but the fact that it's come in today, he's made some reference to a united half and half scarf. Like just they whatever comes makes those scarves, deserves a horrible death. There's just no reason for like, I don't, I don't care if you've, it's your first ever being really angry. I don't make it. I know, I know Dave. I know. I'm sorry. You're just right in front of me. I don't know what the caliber of person is that buys one of them. I just don't, I don't, I need to meet one of them to understand what was going through the head when they thought. So I, I can be only scenario I can understand is if you go to like a testimonial or you go to something like that where it's like a moment or like a big day, but Liverpool versus mine and I did. If you're wearing a half and half scarf, it means you're half a cunt. Sorry. You're a double cunt because there, like if you're wearing a half and half scarf, I'm lost for a while. I don't go to the game. I'm one of those guys. I don't go to the game, right? There's some thing about going through the game. I do not. I don't get it. I don't get it. I can, I can excuse a kid for, for a fucking having a Liverpool West Brom half and half as dad might be a West Brom fan and the family of West Brom fans and he loves Liverpool or something. There is no excuse for a Liverpool United half and half scarf. It's like we're, you know, sorry, Colin. You meet the bird as a man United Liverpool half and half scarf. Is there ever a time? Like, you're saying a big game of testimonial? Well, testimonial. So you go to, like, if you went to Jarrus testimonial, it's Liverpool, Olympia, I got this Jarrus testimonial. I could understand. I can do it. I don't understand it. As a souvenir for the day, although you could buy a programme, but I understand why you'd buy that. But there is no competitive game where there is a logic to buy in a half and half scarf. But go... Do you remember that Liverpool under 18s played, what was your name? I can do a C. And I was like, oh, we could have half and half scarf. I didn't. Because you're a man of principle. More to the point. Where are half and half scarfs for Liverpool under 18s against what if you don't know it? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Oh, my God. It wouldn't have been one half Liverpool in 18s. I'm sure it was just Liverpool. It was just Liverpool. It was Liverpool and it was one half flavour and one half red. It was Liverpool. And it was Liverpool. It's in Waterford. They'd make a penny out of everything. Yeah. Right. And then once and now, what type of match are you? Are you a Shouter, a singer, a Mauner, a half to one point grabber or a stranger? I think I'm all of them. What do you mean a stranger? I don't know. I didn't read the last book probably. I was too far away. If you're with 40,000 people, odds are you're a stranger to most of them. A stranger grabber. A stranger grabber. Oh, yeah. No, I'm definitely all of them then. Yeah. Because it just depends on the match. Sometimes I'll be in really fucking rowdy form and I'll just be roaring and shouting at whatever's going on in the game. No, I'm talking about at the match. No, not fucking sitting in your living room with your misses, looking at you. But yeah, like, and then there's other times, yeah, I would, you know, like if you go to an evening game and you've got a few fucking drinks and you and stuff like that, and there is a good atmosphere and there's a bit of singing you'll join in. And then definitely, like, when we were beating Arsenal last year, 5-0, and fucking, I was at the match and every time we scored a goal there was about eight of us, none of us knew each other and we're all fucking jumping around and dancing and looking at each other and all. There was an L out of about 75 in front of us, it was his birthday and the fucker was crying and everything was imaginary, brilliant. I know all of the above, except for the pints, because I'm just probably too lazy to get up from the sea and... At the fucking nightmare, trying to get a drinker out of it. You have to walk to the top, the top, the top. Yeah. Well, as you know, every time I've got to watch a little put an ad for you, they lose. So I'm... Stop going. I'm a boner. I'm a boner. I'm like, you know, cos I'm like, for fuck's sake. I'm not going to be the most positive person. I'm sorry, don't worry. I'm just shouting. I'm just shouting. He left out, "Are you a sleeper for fail?" I took where this is to the Wiggin game and Kenny, you know, and I was like, "Oh, it's great. I must be great." Now, I was trying to pick a game that I thought we'd definitely win that game. We win that game. Fucking lose to one. Gary Caldwell. A fucker. I was like, "Oh, okay, then." Have we seen them win? I've never seen them win an Anfield. I've seen them win away, but never an Anfield. That's fucking meant. I know. I feel your pain. I watched this game. You've a bad old record as well. Like in the time I've known you, all the games we've been that together, you've... I think we've only seen... I hate you when we actually hate going to games. No, no, no. He's the jinx, isn't he? But that's not just the fucking game, right? I mean, the whole process. From weeks in advance of dreading it. Right the way back to getting to first know you. Everything else has been horrific. The poo book around the world. Anyway. Okay, that's... Well, sort of. Alcohol tolerance or intolerance levels. Where would you grade yourself? That's from LFC Imports. Well, I mean, like everyone, I think it gets worse as you get older. And you do it less. So when you're 24, you drink three nights a week. You know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Props of one on a Monday, cheeky one on a Tuesday. So you build up a tolerance level? So you have an alcohol problem. No, I don't drink anymore. My alcohol problem is I don't drink any alcohol. That's my problem. So I'm a very low, probably a low bar now. Mine's a little higher than yours, Phil. The last time that we were playing here, it was done. That's why I'm very tolerant. It's been built. Once, like, unpredictable. Like, sometimes you have an out-of-the-a drink and not a bother. There's sometimes six points to wake up in the bathroom. And the next day, the girlfriend won't talk to her. Although, I'm kind of playing a dangerous game. I don't know which way it's going on. I'm an absolute mess on points. Like, six, seven points over even the course of a day. I'm a fucking... Listen, one of you text on points. One of two things happen when I drink points. Either go asleep or just turn into a mess that's likely to piss themselves. But if I'm drinking vodka or spirits, or even wine, I'm actually fine. Like, if I go to a wedding or something like that, I'll drink spirits right from the start of the day, right to the end. And I'll be okay. I'll be standing up fucking dancing, whatever else at the end of the night. If you put me on points that I'll be gone before the dinner. That's fucking me wiped out. So I don't know why that is. I can't wait to go out with you, fuckers. Dave? Dave? No, I can't drink it all on terrible. I can't remember. It's kind of the same as your myself. Sometimes it would be grand. I could have 10-12 points and still be able to talk and coherent. Not at times like last night, I had about 5 points. And it's been one day off today, so I did it with last night. And made the most of it a dying. I don't even get up but an hour before I came here. Well, I'm one of the worst drinkers ever. You truly am. I don't get aggressive at anything, but I'm just a mess. I'm just an absolute mess. Just in a record. Yes, you did. You get as aggressive as fuck. He gets obnoxious. There's a difference. He doesn't want to fight everyone. He just thinks he's better than it is. I remember when Roy Hudson was manager. I was driving these fuckers. We were up to getting the ferry over and back. And I just said... Well, hang on, that's a different set of equations are to get... You put Roy Hudson into any equation involving me. Even if I'm not drunk and I'm going off a fucking deep end with that prick. That's it. If we did a live show, me, Phil and Trev a few months back. And Phil was so pissed and obnoxious. He had to take Trev outside to try and fight them to do the show. He was like... He had to give... He was trying to give Trev a pep talk and it ended up being Phil threatening him. Straight up by a bit. You are fucking doing it. And I won't even go into what happened. You started singing randomly at various... So random people would just come walking into their body. You start singing made up Liverpool songs. We haven't done a bus trip this season and any of the ones that we've been on. He is a... And your guaranteed is a sleep on the way. It's like that video of when you did the show over in Liverpool. You're just in the background of the video. It's great radio. Just for the listeners, Dave did his most vacant... ...the most vacant face he could. It's true. Trev if he was you, Trev's a good drinker, but he's a hugger when he drinks. I like that. I like that. I like that. He's a leg grabber when he's at a funeral. I want to... Ah, yeah. What is the fuck up with my leg? This is handy. So, at DJ Neil Gio says, Trev Downey, discourse. Given that he could be dead or blind, we're not quite sure, because he hasn't been able to use the phone since it happened. What do we fair now? I think he... He's had a tough life since the potato famine. Yeah. He made his struggle with Cromwell. When he was a moped dude, you know, just be part of Vikings, right? He was a... Did not have either. Quantum... He was actually quantum leaves, Trev. Ah, poor Trev. They nearly locked him in fucking children, Trev. Trev's dead. Of course he killed all the bosses when they opened it. If we're going to discuss Trev, he's an absolute legend. He's a gem of a man. He's a gem. He's a gem of a man too, Trev. Right then. So, what do you do on this weekend? International break. There's a big charity match going on Liverpool. Gerard's... This is obviously his... I thought we'd come away from Trev's time frame. I thought you were like... I thought you were like... So what do you do this for me? I thought you were like... I thought you were going to close the show. No. No. So, yeah, Gerard's testimony. You're going to watch him? No. Well, I watch him. But like... Are you not excited about CR? The whole nuts back. I am, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it'd be great. I haven't paid it too much attention to me, honestly. Everyone was going on about what... It became one of those butt things, you know, about... Oh, a character and Gerard. It's great seeing them name their team. And I just... It was the following on Twitter. And everyone was going on about how funny it is. You know, when everyone tells you how funny something is, you're like, "Yeah, I have no interest in watching that." So, I haven't really paid it any attention. But... Because he Suarez back. It's... They're not like that one. You know, you never want to meet a related effect. Like, have it seen Torres and Suarez together in the same team. And it's like... I'm annoyed if Invited John Terry. I'm annoyed at that. That's annoyed me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why is John Terry playing? He's on Jared's team. Because he was his captain for England for some time. A driver is on Jared's team as well. Well, he's dropping on character's team. No, a driver is on character's, I think, isn't he? So maybe Terry's on Jared's. But... I don't understand why John Terry's playing. I don't understand. And we fucking have Liverpool not got enough form of fucking players. There we go. Here's an honest question. Why are Chelsea allowing two players that are going to be involved in their title run-in, go and play this game now? Why is this not... Why is this not done after the FA Cup final? What drove by... You know... Drob is fucking semi-retired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That Terry played for about five minutes. We'll tell him his mile of scope. (LAUGHTER) Why does Terry want to go to Anfield? Like, why does he want to volunteer for... To increase his Anfield appearances by 100%...? (LAUGHTER) I just don't get that. I don't know why John Terry's playing. Everyone else I'm pretty excited to see. I think it'll be... It'll be great. It's great to see all the lads come home again. It's not... Interesting to see the reaction Torres gets though, right? Yeah. I mean, that... Because he hasn't had a good reception any time he's been back to Anfield. I think he's told... You know, I think now that he's... I think now that he's gone out of the premiership. And he's coming back home. I think he can be a little bit more of a... of a thing. I'd love to see him back in the south. The same wasn't there. Wasn't it? Fuck off. (LAUGHTER) If anyone suggests I get it, Torres back fucking hell. (LAUGHTER) I'll tell you. Daddy, are you going to be watching this? No. (LAUGHTER) It'll be like terrible 20 minutes of like the proper players being out there. Cara will probably take away too seriously and fucking clean someone out. What was that? Was that sports, sport-relief thing? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was just clean and people out with him. (LAUGHTER) (LAUGHTER) I actually love that though. I turn it off. John Bishop gets on the field and I'm going to go fucking mad. (LAUGHTER) John Bishop is guaranteed to be a... He plays all the different charities. He's fucking with it. Yeah, and I'll have Kenny. He'll take his hands. Yeah. Paul? What are you up to this weekend? I don't know. Yeah, I might give that a watch probably. When is it? Saturday or Sunday? When are England playing? I never watch international football, but I'm morbidly curious now about how he can. I want to watch him. I want this fucking Matrix effect that happens when he gets the ball and everything slows down around. What happened in international football? Have you seen him talk, Paul? Have you seen him talk? Yeah, yeah. He can't cause his mouth. (LAUGHTER) He's like he's broken his nose and he can't breathe through his nose. He's like, you know what that is? Since they ever has his mouth closed. Oh, really? You know, one of those giant whales that just eats plankton. (LAUGHTER) It goes around with its mouth open all the time. Just like indiscriminately kind of catching fish. The basket's here. He gets on like that. He looks like Tintin. That's what I think of it. He looks like Tintin. I'm just amazed at it. I'm amazed at it. What the fuck is going on with Harry Kane? Because he just looks like whenever he gets the ball, it's like, you know, if you're playing a two-player game, you know, fee for something like that. And the other fella just puts the controller down. And they're, you know, just so the defenders aren't over. (LAUGHTER) Or they might make the odd little shuffle towards them. And then they're back off. (LAUGHTER) Thank you. He's literally the least technical forward. I think Ricky Lambert has more technical abilities than Harry Kane. He's on Malaysian enigma, isn't he? He is literally never scored a good goal. And he's scored a good goal. And he's scored a good goal. And he's scored a good goal. Which kind of, like, I wasn't watching any football over the weekend. I wouldn't have had a match. I didn't watch a fucking jar of footballer than that. And I was just sitting there. You know, my phone sat exploding beside me. I was like, "What the fuck's going on?" Checked where I'd ever know. About 20 tweets. Wait until Brandy sees these old Harry Kane's score. I looked him up, but you don't want to do one of those highlights websites. I saw a GIF of one of them. (LAUGHTER) And he boots the ball and hits the left of the player in the face. And goes in the other side of the goal. I just fucked the phone down. I'll get that away from you. Eva, Shira, they made a joke. Someone said, "Are you going to do a feature on Harry Kane's goals?" And he said, "Well, to be fair, they were one top in, one deflection and a penalty." There's not much analysis you can do in it. That sums up his entire season. One top in, one deflection and one penalty. Because he ordered an Erickson. Who's given him a service? He doesn't have any given him a service. He's just scoring goals. I would have nothing. I would have like, bubbles in the pitch and I would have it shin. It's like that old Nintendo football game where he used to get three special goals again. And you could just hold down. You could hold down the A and B button for fucking three seconds. And all of a sudden, he flicked it up to himself. And then, boy! Hit the fucking overhead kick that was guaranteed to go and goal. It's just Harry... Spurs just keep on giving Harry Kane their special goals. But the good news is, we should be grateful for Harry Kane, right? Because it means Spurs won't go out and buy a striker. Because they think they've got Harry Kane. And their next season when he returns to the me. And then we all realize he's a fucking pleb. That we'll be happy that Spurs didn't go out and buy a striker. Thank you, crunchy gents. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, fan. That's it. You're excellent. Good man, you do well there, fell. Thanks. Come back, Trevor. So, it's the admin. Bit different this week, no Trevor Downey. So, I get to play around a wee bit. Whoo! Bit of funk, a bit of groove going on. Big thanks to the guys in Astro Park for letting us use the facilities as ever. Don't know that we'd be stuck without them. We wouldn't even have a room to do anything in. So, you want to play five-a-side or seven-a-side football? Get on to www.astropark.a. And if you're in the television team, give Delish out. And I'm sure he'll definitely jack up the prizes when he tells you the trip or send you. Don't forget the new AI app channel thing is launching very soon. We're going to be on there. We have our own Trippers channel. So, for the first time and probably the last time, I want to thank everyone for tuning in and listening tonight. Your Trippers wear Dave Hartree, Dave Thomas, Paul Brennan, Steve Dady, and myself, Phil Casey. Remember, kids. Einstein once said, "You can't win the ladder without buying a ticket." It's long a fool. Why are you telling me about getting out with this? How do you really watch the matches? You don't need them. Don't need them. Just say something about Johnson. Everyone's happy with that. Oh, I thought Johnson was terrible. Lucas was a biz. How could he play dramatic, Lucas? That's you, man. I think we're beat to Arsenal because we have to win. And I think we're much better when we're there. Nobody expects us to win. We're much better when the end of the dogs. But at the time, we play Chelsea. They won the league and they were such staff when we beat them. I don't see his beat in Chelsea. I think 72 is probably where we're at. I see, probably another two defeats. Two. Chelsea. Chelsea on a slip. Just a shitty one somewhere. I see that at least for the rest of them as well. You know what I mean? I think 71-72 does it for you. I think it suits us now. We're underdogs. Nobody expects us to do it. I think 72. Mathematically, 73 points will almost guarantee you. Well, it guarantees your Champions League football for nine in the last 10 years. So what does 72 allow us to do? Drop what? We win six out of our last three. Easy. So you could actually... As much as the... As much as the precedent would be... We don't need eight left, is it? Good thing! Come on! Fucking right! Come on, beat Arsenal. It's all on our knees. You nearly won... Well, it's nearly with a stipulation that one is against Arsenal. We have to win against Arsenal. One of your six wins. Don't beat Arsenal. Draw Arsenal. Yeah. Win six or seven then. That puts you on 73 points. You made a good point earlier about we could catch Arsenal and study in Ireland. But it's easier to catch Arsenal than they liked it because if we beat Arsenal, we're only three behind Arsenal. But we're certified behind United, assuming they win against Villa. And Arsenal have to play United. Yeah. Arsenal are playing United for following me. Yeah. And I think don't they go to City or Chelsea? They've got one of the other two as well. I shouldn't have said you made that point. Thanks Paul. That's right. That's right. No, I think my theory is that like, you know, you know with really slow airplanes. Do you ever hear that like fighter jets? They can't like engage them because they keep flying past them. That's why Harry Kane's like, these premiers and defenders. They're so used to all these like all this fast movement. That when something starts coming towards them like that, they're just like, how the fuck do I deal with this? That it takes a bit horrible shot and they keep us like, what the fuck is this? And it's interesting. 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