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It was probably the best podcast ever. Fact, ever. Fact, critics would have called it a show for the ages, and I definitely had no ritual host abuse, which I'm just as glad to see confined to the bin of Casey's Mac. But you'll never hear that show, because Phil Killett. So here we are. We're not one win to talk about, but two on a derby to preview again. I'm Trevor Denny, and joining me in the bunker for this hastily convened replacement pod are late night explorer Neil Gray, broken former optimist Dave Thomas and podcast Terminator, one of the Liquidy Fellows, Phil Casey. God of the leaders. Ah, there's no take. Right, okay, let's start with a look back at the two most recent fixtures. We'll focus mostly, I suppose, on last night, but we should also acknowledge the game that was lost, and the pod that was lost. So two really fine displays, defensive solidity, generally speaking. Nice fluid attack, generally speaking, and a scoring return for Danny Sturridge. Progression in the cup, also. Neil, good couple of days, Phil. Yeah. To be a red. No, of course it was. Yeah, well, it started specifically with Saturday. And there was a bit of consternation before it again, I suppose a lot of people were saying we're going to struggle here, but we didn't whatsoever. Do you mean we have nearly 70% precision, I think? That was just I'm good at stats. You are, yeah. That's where they excelled. They said that I'm under research. Yeah, we did, yeah, we did, yeah, which was the whole section. No, it went really well. It was, I mean, from front, I know they did not for much, but I don't think they were allowed to offer much. I think that was what we were marked. We were marked, we imposed our game on them, rather than letting them come and dictate to us, which was happening at the beginning of the season. No, I know a lot of players are playing better than they were, but I think we imposed ourselves on them, and we played the brand of football, we wanted to play specifically when storage came up. But up to that point, we were the better team. Yeah, and I think once we continue to play, that results to take care of themselves, and I did that day. And do you feel that something's taken hold there now, going into the last night's performance and taking off as well? Yeah, well, I think Roger's made some comments today about winning habit. I think that's bullshit habits. I mean, the winning isn't a habit. If you keep doing the right things, if you keep playing the right players in the right positions, and start from that, and then if the honesty of effort is there, you're going to win games. I mean, you don't, I don't subscribe to that. That it becomes a habit of just a habit. Is that not, by definition, what you described as that not a habit? No. If you keep doing something. No, it's not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just being devastated. Application of effort isn't a habit, because a habit is autonomous. It's not, though. Well, it is, yeah. Dave Thomas, this is a disabledly philosophical debate. Can you talk to me a bit more in general a bit the last couple of days, and if you see some sort of a nice trend taking hold now? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of positives, you know, and a lot of trends to take hold. I mean, specifically, I think as good as our attacking players being, I think it's really our defense that, you know, you'd probably call out as the biggest area of improvement. I think since Christmas, nobody is conceited through our goals than we have. And I think that's coincided with the changing system, and also the introduction of SACO and Jan into that back three, both of which, you know, SACO against West Ham was outstanding, and Jan last night was outstanding. And I think the thing that perhaps impressed me the most is that both West Ham and Bolton, kind of play the brand of football, which sometimes causes us problems, you know, really physical, kind of in your face, big target, man. How many times have we seen that type of striker go up against the likes of Skirt, Lola Vren or God forbid Johnson and, you know, really put them under a lot of pressure. So I think the fact that we got through, you know, goes through both games, and only conceded from a penalty. And we're really in a lot of control. I think that both is really, really bad. I think with Rogers, you can always back that he knows that organizing attack, you know, he knows that we've got enough good attack in players. I think what's been really positive and really refreshing is to see him, you know, trust and build a really effective defensive unit. Yeah. Phil, I was trying to put a few thoughts together on this myself today for an article on yesterday. And the bottom line is yet definitely there is that kind of improvement in the offense. And there is some sort of a unit there that we can hopefully see going into the rest of the season. And who knows what happens after that, whether it'll stay three or go four or whatever. But it's a confluence of things, isn't it? I mean, as Neil said earlier on, players have started to play well in the forward areas. You have pitched two. It's not your standard storage combat. There's an awful lot of stuff happening together that's really lending itself to this brand, you know. So it's not habilis, which is a lot of good fortune too, isn't it? That's the story where everyone's swallowing dictionaries to me. Confluence, autonomous. Oh no, can you say that in English definitely? Oh yeah, it's good, isn't it? For the wrong? It's good, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Um, look, I'm a bit conflicted over after last night's game. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, I was on a high coming in after the West Ham match, because it had been so good, the performance had been, you know, been so pleased, the defense, the defensive work had been so well. I thought it was fairly sloppy last night. I mean, it was so out-strayed. The changes that he made, the midfield, didn't function at all. And because of that, we allowed Bolton to dominate us more or less for 55, 60 minutes. They were comfortable. Now, they weren't posing any real threats, but they were comfortable. And there was enough times that Minile had to come out and step off as well in, and, and, and my book things. And it's hard even after set pieces, we looked a bit sloppy again, which we had stopped looking, slapped the off over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, bad last night. So it's, it's, it's a bit up and down for me. In real terms that, like, you know, you go off such a good one against West Ham, and you went to the FA Cup. Now, you throw that in with, you know, my own personal fear around the FA Cup, which is not massive. Like, like, to be honest with you, I didn't care if we would stay in. I went out of that trophy last night, you know what I mean? Like, obviously, I wanted us to stay in it, but it wasn't going to be the end of the world had we, had we been eliminated because we've got the Europa League still there. That offers a chance of champions, the qualification. And, you know, we have put ourselves in the position because of the likes of the West Ham, because we were trying to mount a recovery, you know, to mount the charge for the, for the top four, purely because most of the teams that have been in, I don't think there's ever been this small gap between the teams at this stage from, say, toward down to, to seven where we are. So there's a lot of things falling that leaves us in with a chance of getting the top four. It's still a massive ask, but, you know, our focus has to be on the league. And maybe there was a little bit of that in the performance last night, no matter what way you say, the derby is around the corner. And, you know, you can park at all you want, but there's definitely going to be always a bit towards the actual derby and do enough to get through last night. And, ultimately, we did, you know, the sending off has a big influence. Bringing Henderson on for the land had a big influence. In terms of it, it gave us somebody in the midfield, you know, then when Alan went out and he pushed Chan into midfield, that's the game changer, you know what I mean? Like, I know we'll get on to the, the majestic fucking stride of that man because he's just, he's perfect. Perfect. Can I tell you a secret? I was hoping that that was exactly what happened. That you would, as Dave Thomas has pointed out before, basically summarize the entire agenda in your opening comments. And you have, so it's lovely. You flagged everything there. Right, that's a wrap, that's, that's the rest of the league. What we can do now is we can go and pick a few of the things out that you've, you've flagged up there. Look, we could talk about the defenses as a whole and, you know, that's, that's fair enough and we should do that. But as you say, there's nowhere else to start. Just as the last day, there was nowhere else to start, but we're one man with Danny Sturge. Today, there's nowhere else to start, but whatever he can. And as you say, half, seriously half jokingly, he is and was incredibly impressive over the two games. But last night, Dave, ridiculously. Oh, I mean, he was, he was exceptional last night. Ironically, actually probably better for like what he did in 20 minutes, actually, was so much better than anything else. Anyone else did on the pitch that you kind of forget about the fact that he was actually really solid for 70 minutes before. Just doing the job. So I mean, against West now, I'm against, for 70 minutes against both. And I actually thought he was really impressive. Despite Tony Gail's ridiculous commentary that we can't do. He continued to say, Tony failed. Oh, he's, he's rattled. He's rattled. No, he wasn't. You know, you only have to watch Emery Johnson. He's one of those foreign lads, though. He's the foreign lad. Doesn't like get up him. No, you don't do the physical stuff. No, they don't do that in Germany. He never see that. But last night, when he moved into midfield, I mean, we'll come on to Jared, right? So let me park, Jared. But you know, people kind of wonder, you know, when are we going to see a player like Jared who takes a game by the scruff of the neck? Well, I'm sorry. What Emery Jan did in 20 minutes last night, I haven't seen it at Stephen Jared doing 10 years, which is he moved into the middle of the park and he said, yeah, we're not going to lose this game, actually, lads. I'm not, I'm not losing to these. These are shit, actually. So let's just, let's just beat them. Shall we? And he literally took the ball off Jared's toes. He literally stood four yards away from him. Everyone gave Jan the ball and, oh my God, his pass was stood in. I mean, seriously, if Coutinho did that, there'd be 20 articles written today about that pass. That is just an unbelievable pass and my favorite bit of the pass, which you can only see on a couple of angles, is he, he does the pass and then he does a little Hendo skip on the spot, is it to go, oh, that's a lovely pass. I was like, totally chuffed at himself. I wish the camera stayed on him to see what his reaction would be after the score. Just look at that. [LAUGHTER] Play a camp. Pretty much, yeah. Can camp? Yeah, but he was, I mean, he was absolutely majestic. But for 20 minutes, he was just head and shoulders above anything I've seen for a long time. Look, it's, we might as well at this point, because there's been a huge amount of response to his performance and suggestions from the listeners that we might as well. I'll just read out a few of them and you can take it from there and hear whatever you want that you can respond or not respond. We had Carlo Shea saying, can Emory Chan be as good as Jabi Alonzo? As he was asking himself that question, Ronan asking, when does Emory Chan become the best player in the world? Is it before after he leaves us for Bayern Munich in 2018? [LAUGHTER] That's very cynical, Ronan, eh. Yeah, Josiah Villa saying, who do we play in the battery when Chan takes this place against Everton? He seems to think that's a bit more urgent that moved to midfield. And Adam as well, saying, Chanan sent her back in midfield. Where's the place for him? That's a real issue. Is it not, Neil, that people have been addressing all the time. When does he move into midfield? One would be best for us. I've heard a lot of conflicting and very good opinions on both sides. Well, I suppose just to answer a couple of the chats that come in there, the first thing they're saying is, is he the next Jabi Alonzo? Oh, he's not the next anything. He's not the next Stephen Gerard. It's not his impact on his influence over the team. That's the most remarkable thing. I mean, what I was most impressed with was yesterday when he stepped, particularly like I've said, he was brilliant for seven, he met a septive in the midfield. He didn't say, like, we're going to win this, I'm going to win this game on my own. And I'm going to score the goal and I want all the accolades. I'm going to make these charges and runs and scrunch and tackles. He didn't, he didn't panic once. He just kept sideways, pro open, pro open, pro open, saying, I'm going to get an opportunity to put someone in here. And when I have the chance, I'm going to put it under toe, which is exactly what happened. Yeah. I mean, that's the confidence he has. And took on the shot and goal or two as well. Yeah, I mean, he was the most investing for me. It was that he didn't panic. It was just simple. And all of his fellow, all of his teammates have have the ultimate respect for him as well, because he was the man. He got the ball. He take the ball off them every, and what they were giving it to, we'll give it to him, give it to him, because they knew he's the guy that's going to make the difference here. So in respect of, does he move up into midfield on Saturday? No, I don't think so, because we're doing all right the way we are. Did you know what I mean? I keep it the way it is. Boy, would you change it? It just has been excellent regardless of what anyone wants to say about him or what he had. All we can judge him on is what he's doing presently. And while he's doing presently, he's doing it magnificently well. So you leave him where he is, leave him nowhere he is, and we go, and I was gonna say we can. We go again. No, we leave it the way it is. And if we need him in 20 minutes, we push him up into the middle. Listen, I mean, sure, doesn't that, the ideal scenario, you know what I mean? So that's interesting, and the associate there. He's not the next anybody, you know. He's autonomous, you know what I mean? Yeah. He's individual. He doesn't have to be anybody, you know what I mean? Really autonomous. There's a confluence of ideas, a lot of eco ideas around it. But he doesn't have to be anybody else. We don't have to think about it in those terms, you know. No, people want him to be jealous about it. No, no, no. Everyone wants, when they look at a player emergent, there's always this rush to compare him to somebody who was brilliant in that position. Understandable, I guess. Yeah. But he's a combination of so many different players, and this is what the really good players are. They're never exactly like somebody else. They're a combination of a couple of different styles rolled into one. Like Stephen Gerard and he came to show. He was everything. He was the box, the box, but feel like he was, you know, the auxiliary centre forward. He was a cable. And this is what Chan brings in real terms, because we're talking about twice now. The last two games, both times, has been switched into the centre of the back three, right? And I think it's a tactical thing. I was reinforced last night when I was thinking about it, because he's better positioned when he gets on that ball in the centre of the fence. If a team is trying to drop back and sit back, particularly when they took the lead, before he actually showed them into midfield, you give it a chance and he's not looking to just play a ball to one of the centre backs. He wants to take it and he wants to move forward. More forward, yeah. And, you know, we're leaving then Skirtland-Sacko to drop in as normal centre backs. And effectively, before he'd moved into midfield, he'd moved into midfield. Gerard had moved out of that defensive area. Henderson was on and had talked to him. He saw it and it was almost like the sort of defensive midfielder. He took up that role as well as being a centre back in the way that he was playing. And what's normally about that is that it's a real flexible midfielder. It's not somebody who is set in stone as the only play defensive midfielder. I can do a job here or I only play as an attacker midfielder and I can do a job here. He can do it across the midfield spectrum and he can also do it in the back as well. Arguably, he could probably play fallback, because we've seen him more out, more out, down the right hand side when he's been playing as the right centre back as well. And he did play fallback with labour crews on six or seven occasions last year and was more than capable of playing there. So, you know, this is a very, very - I remember when we saw him. I remember how excited I was when we saw him when I said it he is, right? Like, this fella has the potential to go on to be an absolute superstar in the actual game. And it was purely around the fact that he has everything he wants in a modern footballer. And it's not just great. There's also this level of physicality and powerfulness to him that, you know, not everyone brains because he was being slated to know for his physique earlier in the summer. It's the same physique. He hasn't gotten any skinnier by the way, right? It's the same physique, that's him, though. It's his own question. Go look, he doesn't have any understanding. He doesn't have any understanding. That's perception. That's perception. I swear to you. I know, yeah. All it is. I perceived he had an understanding. Yeah, and your perception was wrong. That's called deception, I think it's wrong. But, you know, you look at him and it's that, it's that physique, it's that powerfulness, which gives him an extra 10% over the likes of say, somebody like Joe Allen, or a diminished Stephen Gerard. It's been able to just power past players that they can't live with you. They can't knock you off the ball. They just can't, they just can't get it off you. And when the lads were talking about the way he took ownership of those last 20 minutes, or even on Saturday when he was there and he was bossing from the back as well. We talked about the next captain. We talked about his Henderson the right man. I said it then, I'll say it now. The way he took hold of that game last night was that it was one of the biggest signs of leadership on a pitch that we've seen in a long, long time since the heyday of Gerard when he used to do that type of thing. But it was controlled and the most important thing was everything he did when he stepped in there. It wasn't panic, it wasn't rash. It was as nail set. It's a good point, you remember your mayhem theory about Jared? That's exactly what I was thinking when I was going to his house. It was no need for that. I was inspired by Phil. Jesus Christ, he's a snail. That's the pod fucking over. Can we just quote a bigger home than Thor? But just on the control thing, I think the thing that you can miss in the helter skeleton of the game or whatever was just how tactically smart he was as well. Both of them had just gone down to 10 men. Now we've done the charitable thing and broke really on to even up a little bit. They both now gone down to 10 men and he went into that space and directed people around them. And it wasn't the Captain Fantastic show. It was like, lads, we've got more men than they got. Let's just have one relax here and we'll just play around them. Yeah, it was like, so I thought the tactical awareness was what was really smart. And to score two goals, a five minutes to go, suggests a certain degree of probing and a certain degree of patience and a certain degree of we're not going to lose our heads here. And you did get the sense, even though we were down, you did get the sense it'll come here. It'll come, we were playing well enough that it'll come. So, I mean, we could probably do a whole pod on Jan, to be honest with you. But it's really exciting. I think we had to be careful as well. He's like, we have to, he's only entertained a couple of weeks and he's not. It's not exactly the second common yet as even, you know what I mean? Like he has all the potential in the world that you've agreed on. He was brilliant last night, but the heap, the future of the club on top of him, the way Stephen Gerard carried it for 10 years is a little bit more challenging. Well, I'll say this for him, but here's my shout. Have you been listening? On a permanent basis. On a permanent basis, I think he's been our player at the season. Since he got in and held down the spot. I can't think of a game or a minute he's played, you know, a game that an appearance he's had, where he wasn't eight. Great. But can't you really great? Well, let's say there's one interesting point. Go on. A wheelchair. At one nail, he makes a bad attempt at a clearance and go Johnson. He's a really bad header at mini-light, right? If go Johnson scores, there was a massively different narrative on that game. Huge, yeah. It's massively, what happens after that point is that he then, as we said, he shifts then into midfield and everything starts to change around. It starts pulling and probing the actual thing. If go Johnson heads it in and they go on to win the game there, even if we get one back or whatever, right? Then the paper's the next day, it's full of the thing that, that China shouldn't be a center back in the middle of the world. Yes, yeah, yeah. But that wouldn't negate all the good stuff they go on up to that point, which was necessary. It's the only thing around me looking for negatives it would, okay? Everyone on the good work he did up to that point. But I think this is the position we find ourselves in as a team a little bit at the moment. Unless you watch us all the time, like we do and a lot of our fans do, the casual observers deliver pool, the people who do write that type of article, the people who don't watch us all the time. I think they are a little stuck about what to write. They are a little bit unsure of Sako and Jan and Markovitch and these players. Lalana is a really good example. Lalana versus Jan I think is a really good example. Lalana is a player that everyone in British press is really familiar with. And you listen to the commentary last night, Phil Neville is saying how impressed he was with Lalana, how everything he did was really good. And I hear that narrative with Lalana a lot. I think Lalana's done okay, but I don't think he's been anything special. Versus the narrative you get with Sako and Wijan is just laced with doubts. It's laced with caveats. It's like he's done okay for the midfield playing in the back three. Sako always looks awkward, but he always manages to get his pass away. It's not far off in grain xenophobia. It really is. It's just it's not a it's not a it's not a it's not because of that. No, I don't know what I'm saying is hang on a minute. I don't think it's because of the nationality. I think if they've been playing in the Premier League a year ago, I think they'd be it would be different. I think it's a lack of familiarity. It's the fact that they play in front of me that they just don't know. They don't know what to make of these players. I think with the progression particularly with Sako, I mean has been so I mean because we're avid viewers and we watch closely, his progression has been so gradual. Yeah, so it's so it's not as if he was bad this week in the next week. He's nine or ten and he is nine or ten for the next six weeks, but his progression is so gradual now. If you're lazy and you're not watching, it's easy just to write that. Yeah, I read I read an article today where someone was saying that you know, he's his awkward style has led some Liverpool supporters to compare him to Jimmy Treori. And I was like, no, it's not the Liverpool supporters who are making their comparison. It's the casual observers of Sako who are making their comparison. Sadly, some of them are, but I understand the point you're making. I wanted to talk about Mamadou Sako next because in the part that never was, we spoke a lot about him because he had been so outstanding against West Ham. Yeah, to be fair to the guy and his performance last night, which was equally so it gets a bit lost in comparison with the other man. Phil, he is a guy who we really can't do without him. The team from home for the balance that he offers. Exactly. And also the level, he in terms of physicality in the defence, right, as is a pure defender in terms of the way, you know, he defends the actual thing, he's a much more physical presence than say, scarletless. He doesn't get bossed around, he doesn't get bullied by opposition centred forward. And you've noticed they've stopped, you know, they're trying to get their big man, if they're playing against the big man, they're trying to get the big man up against Chan, or scarletless opposed to letting Sako come in and dominate him because they know they can't win the physical challenge against them. But what he, like Chan, we said, he's so good on the ball. He never looks, it's never just a hoof, his force thinking is not a hoof, it's force thinking as always, right, who's on a midfield that I can play the ball into, so that we can retain possession. He's, you know, he has an awkward style, he does have an awkward style about it in terms of the way he plays the game, but he's fully in control. But it's no more awkward than the way, say, Lewis Suarez used to play the game in a different sense, because Suarez always looked like he was under very... About to fall over, yeah. About to fall over. Whereas Sako seems to be always on his heels, you know what I mean? But yeah, he's out, for someone who's constantly on his heels, he's incredibly light-footed. So, you know, it's not, it's just the way he's developed his game over the years. And you can count on the fingers of two fingers, how many misplaced passes, high profile runs at least he's done. Yeah, and listen, defenders always make misplaced passes. It's about what happens afterwards that becomes the issue. You know, I look at it, you know, no matter what way, the tray of the back walks best for Martin Scarlle, because he doesn't get as exposed as he does, you know, and the penalty happens as I say. But the second we said about it, and he said, centre back down, if you're in a back tree, you're not going to be as exposed, put it. Sorry, no, he's just, you know, I was thinking out loud there more than anything. Good, man. And... Sorry, Phil, go on. Have you just had a stroke or something? [LAUGHTER] Fast, fast! [LAUGHTER] Sorry, yeah, just talking about the side or something like that. I don't even like that. I'm just a leet on, I don't even like that. I think it's really critical of my distorted disease, and I'm rightly so, I taught it as well. What are you talking about, you know, skirt or cycle? I said, "I got a skirt or cycle." Jimmy Breason. [LAUGHTER] Fucking answer. I'm very critical of the certain disease, and I'm rightly so, I taught what is... He has improved dramatically. What was he recorded on? See, again, the thing about this is... Well, it was... I was critical to him and his partner and the whole defensive side. But now he was part of that disaster, wasn't it? The only thing is, right? I'll say it. Sacco's always looked better than a defender when he hasn't been so in Skirtland 2 at the back. And it's a kernel of an issue that we've had a poor defender. Skirtland's always been the ever-present. Yeah. Now, you know what I mean? Skirtland's always only looked like a really good defender on a season-on-season off-basis. And that's my interior very loose. He has one good season, then he has one poor season, right? Now, the one thing we'll say with him was, "He has never looked as good as a defender in a two unless he's been playing alongside Daniel Lager." No one ever has played... They've never looked at a good combination. And when that combination wasn't working at the start of last season, you know, then we started having the issues again. So when you look at this now, to offset the fact that Skirtland isn't particularly great on the ball or is going to carry it out in the fence and wants to play that little bit deeper, by putting the two-order centre back there, who pressed that little bit forward ahead of them, it allows them to go in, it condenses the space, and it means that we don't have as many gaps between the midfield and the forward. The two-order two centre halves are a circle and Skirtle, they do have to get out of the jail clause if they're caught in possession, just lay it off the chain and he'll sort it out, as well as that's a massive... I think the back three things for us at the minute... Very happy to press the fence at the minute, by the way. Well, not for a certain defence, I'm just saying it allows the better qualities of each of their games as an individual to happen, right? And if you go back, if you tried to change, I've seen some people talk about, "Let's go back to a 4-3-3 for the weekend," right? As soon as you change the shape, and you mentioned this, I'm wondering, if you go and change the shape... Listen, I don't know who you're pointing at, by the way, like... Andy, but if we revert back to a different shape or a different formation to try and shift Emre Chan into the sentiment field, you're going to have the same issues, Arise, that we had previously, because again, we have the situation where Skirtle doesn't want to play high up the pitch, we'll have Sacco who does want to play the higher up the pitch, we have a line that's all over the shop, which we've seen before, and straight away, we magnify the problems, don't change the shape now. And I agree. And the point, just for me to finish up on Sacco, I think that the last day of games, it would be easy to be completely revisionist and say, "Well, start in Sacco is always a slam dunk." But the truth is, no two defenders, apart from three games when Colotore played next to Daniel Aga, have ever looked good in the two and the Rodgers. I can't think of a single parent that's worked, and that includes Sacco, Lovren, Skirtle, Tore, any combination of those four in a two has always looked bad. We've never looked good with a two. So it is the shift to the three and the introduction of Sacco, which has worked. It isn't just the introduction of Sacco, and I think he's been great for, I mean, not just great, I mean, you think he's been phenomenal for eight games, you know, and he is absolutely a mainstay of the team. But the first point, and we talked about it on Monday before we deleted everything, you know, going to a back four is the worst thing we could do right now, even if that two central defenders were Jean and Sacco, who are two best players, even if we did that, it would be an absolute disaster. I don't have no idea why we would even contemplate it right now. But Sacco, in a three, last eight games, been phenomenal. Well, what about a point that was made here before we actually went live about Martin Skirtle? He has been certainly, as you've all pointed out, been helped massively by the two guys out of side of him, and he's managed to play very solidly in that time frame. Was there a couple of, or were there a couple of dodgy signs over the last game or two, certainly maybe last night that perhaps, you know, he is still the weakling. Look, Skirtle Skirtle, I mean, he hasn't turned into back and bow, just because we moved into a back three. Unless he has the headband on, but he is still going to do Skirtle things, like throw a kick at that kid last night, that's a Skirtle thing for him to do, or come racing 20 yards out to kick someone 30 yards from goal. He does these things that are always in his head. You know, he's just not as composed as Sacco or Johnny. He doesn't think those things through. You know, he doesn't, he makes too many tackles or attackers that he doesn't need to go and do. So Martin Skirtle is not the future of, you know, the future of the team or anything like that, but he's not going to go anywhere. What we have now is a system that mitigates his weaknesses and allows him to hopefully elevate his strengths, which are, you know, winning balls into the box and last stitch tag goes. He doesn't have to grapple with men and things like that. You know, he's a little bit more positionally savvy. But Skirtle Skirtle, I mean... And you should have happened last night or two-hour detrimental with the penalty situation. Well, exactly. That's what I mean, Skirtle Skirtle. I don't want the penalty. I mean, he didn't touch him. I know it's a penalty. Yeah, but it's not, but change it. You don't have to make contact for it to be a penalty. Do you hear about that? No, you can't, you can't go to kick someone, and then they go out of the way. It's still a penalty. Look, anyway, if we get the penalty, we'll say it's a soft penalty, but we'll take it every day. You're going to get some. You're not going to get some. You know, the referees are poor generally. He was terrible. He was terrible. But like every week, you could have it, you could have just a debate about how bad was the referee. We have to be shy every day. Engaged him on a skating of zero to zero. Talk to him most times. But okay, look at Skirtle. It was a moment, it was a rash moment. There's no need to try to build in, because there was actually players around them. But at the same time, we don't lose. If we lose the game, then yes. I think we're looking for problems, looking for problems that I dare really a little bit. Because we're not conceding, and the defensive unit is incredibly solid. No, but in spite of the goalkeeper. As I said last night, for me, it was more shaky than it has been over the last few games. As I said, because we haven't considered an open play goal in nearly 800 minutes. That's a good start right there. There you go. There we go, that's a research. You know, that wasn't negative. It's in response to your, let's not go, you know. Blown that. It's calm down. It's just in the interest. Look, if everyone were in danger of getting carried away, Martin Skirtle will always do something. That's the thing to remember. But there will always be a Skirtle. So, you know, I suppose it is probably time to move on to talk about the good things, which has been the movement and the attack, and the, you know, sterling, continue, and the re-emerted, like the rebirth of storage again, because it is literally a rebirth. We haven't seen the rebirth of storage. We haven't seen him since last year. I didn't realize. Yeah, it's nice. It's like, it was like a butterfly emerging from a car. Don't do that. Don't do imagery. Fragile. Don't do imagery. Don't do imagery. Just don't. To bring joy to the masses. Jesus, what? Flipper's wings as he goes. The floor is fully passed. The floor is where we get here. The butterflies up front. Back heels to Borini who saves. You know-- Oh, I was with you until you mentioned Borini. [LAUGHTER] For fuck's sake, you were there now. Oh, damn it. And then you mentioned him-- You know, if you look at the three components of the team, and you go to the West Ham game, and midfield has functioned really well, and it looks like a great game. That's talking about the midfield. Because the midfield last night didn't function, didn't exist. OK, OK. Well, look, Neil set that up a little bit in the way that he's mentioned it too. So I'm going to go through you straight away on this, and I'll come back to the two boys, Neil. It looked-- didn't it when the game is starting, when we saw both Lucas and Hendo sitting that one out. A lot of people are saying, OK, that's nice. That looks like it could be the midfield left for Saturday, for the Derby. Evan's quite happy with that, right? But when we get into the game, and we see Jared playing, or Jared probably shouldn't be playing anymore, it makes the opponent keep, because you think he's going to start the Derby, isn't he? So he needs to start in the front of any midfield situation, doesn't he? I don't think he's going to start in Saturday. You don't? No, I honestly don't. No, because I think, just to go back, Roger's all you think, in my opinion, it deserves a little bit of credit lately. I mean, you had to savvy to sort out to put the trailer as a center half. People might say that was, that was, it was obvious, but it wasn't. He still had to go and make that decision. And he brought Chan in, and like we were saying, everybody's complimenting each other. I really don't think he's going to do an about face turn and drop your head in just because of the Derby. I mean, he may strike people as sentimental, but that's a media front. I don't think you're sentimental. So that's just my opinion. So I mean, sentiment certainly isn't going to get in the way of beating everything on Saturday. And we talked to me about Jared specifically in his performance last night. His performance last night. Yeah. In my opinion, it's in hell with pains, we decided, but he was really poor. I mean, we touched on it earlier before we started recording that. To me, he looks like, he looks stiff. His gate is all wrong. He just looks like he's just had too much football and had maybe too many serious injuries over the course of his career. He's just not up to that high level anymore. And particularly in the modern day midfielder, that has to be box to box. He can't do it anymore. I mean, we're trying to accommodate him now. We put him in, I mean, he was a deep line midfielder last year. And people say that didn't work. In fact, in my opinion, it did because we nearly won the league. But this season, it's the legs are definitely gone. I mean, that's in all that. His legs are gone, but they are. You can see he has it upstairs. He still wants to play that pass. He knows the pass to pass to play, but he just can't get there. Yeah. So that's a fair point. It isn't even even the little staunch Jared loyalist would have to agree that you look, you be struggling with the physicality of the game last night in terms of imposing himself on any way, shape, or form. Oh, look, I mean, Jared was fucking appalling last night. If this is any other player, if this is Lalanna, or if this is, you know, Deja and Lovren, or I mean, he's going to sort that all over the world. We're a lot less careful of our language here. He was terrible. The game absolutely passed him by. I said before we record the part, and I say it now, he looked like, you know, when you watch the testimonials and they bring on, like, McIntyre, or McAllister, or God forbid, Daglish, for like 10 minutes to give him a run around, that's what Jared looked like last night. He looked like an old man. And he will start the derby. And telling you now, he's starting the derby. And he'll start, but he will start further forward, which is where you have to play him. This experiment of, you know, it's like, if we'd lost last night, right, what it would have been for me is, see this what happens, Brendan, when you go back and you reverse some of these decisions. And one of the things he's done is take Jared out to the center of midfield, because he cannot play that. And going back to playing him in the midfield last night was just exhibit A of 100 million fucking exhibits. The Jared can't play in the middle of the park. Well, that's a good name, then you think storage isn't going to start on Saturday? I don't think storage starts. I mean, he only got, he's played 40 minutes of football in five months. He's not started. Well, look, we'll focus a lot. Sorry, just to finish on, Jared, right? Yeah. And the truth of it is, you have to do so much to make Jared work in that team, regardless of where you play him. But you can't make it work if he's one of a midfielder too. There is no player, absolutely no player. You can play next to him that makes him work. And he was he was really poor last night. And it was actually sad to watch, I thought. I actually thought it was like, it was really depressing to watch it, Mike. But you know, and it's worth also calling it out as midfield partner, because for at least in Jared's case, there's, you know, he's coming towards the end of his career as a top-flow professional, right? Yeah. Joe Allen looks like a player who's now destroyed by injuries. Yeah, what's happened to that? But he just, he had, he had no presence on the pitch. No presence at all. He was being bundled off the ball. He was often the teams that Joe Allen offered last year when he was in the team and in the in the good run that we had, where he was again able to get the ball rollers, get players involved. Not necessarily great things, but keep the ball moving, keep the ball in our possession. You know, just stop with a team from getting the ball and controlled up midfield area in terms of being able to do it. That isn't happening. The things that the guy... The things that the guy... As far as people couldn't see when he was doing them, I've gone. The point I've gone. Joe Allen is the guy you start against Bolton in the cup. Do you know what I mean? That's the role he has in our squad. He's the guy. He's the guy still because he hasn't played. I think there's an injury thing. I think the first thing. But it does come a point with, with particularly with Central midfielders, I think where, you know, substantial injuries all the time, you know, do halt your progress to such a degree that are you ever going to get back to that level? And there was always a question with Joe Allen, right? Was Joe Allen ever a good enough midfielder for a team who wanted to finish in the top four? Because we bought him when we were eight, some of you were looking to maybe get six or five. So that question was there when he was fully fit. And I like Allen. But Joe Allen, for me, proved last night. He's the guy when you need to rest all your midfielders. He'll do a job. Fewer, I think he's okay to be in the squad. But he's not a first- he's not a first-in player. But he's... He's more... He's more W.E.J. I mean, he's better than a spear in. He's... For me, Trevor. For me, and we had this question. Like we said that one of the easiest placement failures in the team will be to go out and buy a replacement for Lucas in the summer, right? Yeah. Joe Allen falls into that category as well. If you want to improve your midfields, say you're saying to yourself that you're looking at Henderson and Coutinho and Chan as your starting trio of midfielders on the basis that you buy another centre back to play in the tree. Then you either... If you're keeping Lucas, then you need to replace Allen, and you're going to need to replace Gerard, because he's gone as well at the end of the season. This time last year, we wouldn't have said that. No, but when you look at him and you look at the performances put in this season, we would still get a reasonably decent fee from him. Probably recoup nearly everything we spent on him, but then you'll be able to buy somebody who will offer more. Whether we're playing two in the midfield, we're playing three at the back and four in a minute, because it's essentially still a two that's in there. You want the player with the physique and the attributes that Henderson and Chan brings in that area, because they have to be powerful, they have to be able to go box to box, and they also have to have a more penetrative range of pass than say Allen has. If you're playing with a load of midfielders and your aim is to control the ball and not allow teams on it, then he can play a function. But I don't see my problem with Allen has always been that if you move away from the diamond midfield where he's one of the players, he doesn't really bring anything extra into that midfield, or is capable now of playing any of the other roles that you have to play in that midfield. So we're looking at two midfielders that really once one of them was moved out of that zone and we replaced them with Henderson. I know Henderson came up for a landable effectively. He went in and took up where Allen had been playing. You know, suddenly our team, and I know it doesn't send an off, but suddenly we get in control of the ball. And then it was further improved when we moved Chan into midfield as well. And you can see the difference to having real diamond powerful midfielders make in that system and in the way that we play when they're in there, as opposed to players who just do a job. There's no disgrace for, you know, there's nothing drawn and hasn't got like considerably worse, so it's not like he's doing anything particularly bad. It's just that the team has moved on and the systems changed and we play differently. And we need something different. But I think you can put a little bit of that down to injury. You know, but I think the bigger thing is the team has moved on. And it's okay, you know, for the team to move on and for there to be people in the squad, did you go, well, you know, he's not quite there anymore. He was good enough when we were, you know, surprising everyone last season. He was good enough in a diamond, but actually when we start to see the type of midfielders we want, he's not quite there anymore. We're going to talk about the stadium, we're going to talk about the stadium, we're going to talk about the stadium. We're going to talk about the stadium, we're going to talk about the stadium. And Stairley. Neil, I can't let this guy go, he's going to come out more butterfly poetry. So the one more that comes in my mind every time I look at this attack now is fluid and something that Phil did touch on first in the middle of his dodgy metaphors. It is fluid. There's lovely movement constantly. It's something that's, you know, just beautiful to watch and now effective as well. Yeah. Well, I suppose that was the, that was the mantra last year. Wasn't it fluidity as well when we were really on top? Yeah, precisely. I think, I think rather than it being as tactic at the minute, I think Rodgers has come back to basics in what he, what he has done is I need to get my best players on the pitch. Yeah. And when you're, when the, the lads who are playing up front now at the minute, they're all so gifted that, I mean, he could talk tactics to them all day, they're going to do it the way they want to do it anyway. I mean, they're going to operate in the areas of the pitch where the manager asked them to, but after that, it's completely up to them. And Catina was really on top of his game at the minute and the funny criticism was he's not scoring enough and he got out worldly last night, but he still doesn't score enough goals. But apart from that, everything else is absolutely fantastic. He's a joy to watch. Sterling as well, he took his, he took his, it finished was fantastic, wasn't it? And he was really unlucky not to score before that. I mean, he hit the post as well, didn't he? He's a constant threat. And he's, he's improving his, he's, he's, he's improved more than Catina. And when Catina was just back to the level that he was, for me, Sterling has stepped up, gone up to another level again. I mean, his, it's towards, I mean, at the start of the season hit the finished product, we're standing wasn't quite there, his connection on take whenever the final pass or his connection with the, with the ball, when taking the shot on goal wasn't quite there. That's common now. And I think that's more confidence in, in himself than anything. But yeah, fluidity wise, it's fantastic to watch. And storage come on there on Saturday, didn't he? And everything just fell into place all of a sudden. I know they were beaten nearly at the time, but still there was a, he was at the tip of despair, wasn't it? Where I was when he came on last night, the shape went to, went to ship. But it was a completely different game. I mean, they were, I mean, they were down to 10 men and they're 10 men behind the ball. So we were going sideways last night. But on Saturday, we were going straight ahead at the tip of despair. Like I said, trying to really do a list. Yeah, that's lovely. But I think I just, once again, our storage last night, storage is a long, Sterling doesn't score because storage takes one and a cent a half away. You know, so suddenly, Sterling's on just one cent a half and said a two, which is what he'd had all night that he'd struggled a little bit all night. And we were playing those passes all night long. [LAUGHTER] But just to go back to-- That was dimmed, chipped passes from Tony Dean here. It's on to your foot. But I mean, to go back to Coutinho, and it's something, you know, I think, I don't know if I talked about it on Monday or the last time I was on, but the removal of Jared or the bypassing of Jared has been transformative for Coutinho. Because now, when Jared either doesn't play or is playing slightly further forward than a different part of the pitch, the ball isn't always to go to Jared. It goes to Coutinho. And if you give the ball to Coutinho, A, he'll beat one, two, three-- Seven. However many players he decides to beat. But also, he can pick a pass without having to force it all the time. You know, he's more subtle with his passing. And I just think he's become the player that you give the ball to. Whereas last season, it was Jared who gave the ball to, and Jared dictated the play. Now it's Coutinho, and Coutinho, frankly, is better at it than Jared is. So I think that's been the real transformative thing for me for Coutinho. He feels like he's the guy pulling the strings. And he knows he's going to get the ball. He's got a great goal last night, and he should score more. But I mean, I think Andy's theory is probably the best one I've heard on this, is that we don't want him scoring too many goals, because otherwise someone will buy him. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, Phil, watching Coutinho over the last couple of weeks, the lovely pass in the weekend, which you did such a wonderful job describing in the last part, that's a shame, it's lost. But between that pass, and that goal-- Let me take it back to-- [LAUGHTER] Between that pass and the goal last night-- I actually, because I've had a shift a few weeks, I don't think I've ever celebrated a goal in recent years as much as Coutinho's goal last night. Some guttural scream came out of me from a God's last night. It was brilliant. I loved it. I mean, this guy, he made me very happy. Listen. Were you watching this through Dixon's window, are you? [LAUGHTER] From the car, from the car. Is that a goal? Very close guy, that's a bench guy. It's a bench guy. God the red red. [LAUGHTER] It's brilliant, isn't it? Stand down in the black and white hair, haven't you? [LAUGHTER] No, listen, you know, everyone's talked about him. Everyone's talked about how good he could become once consistency comes into play in this, and he's starting to show that level of consistency. It reminds me of a lot of how much we thought he was going to really explode from the start of the season and pre-season, because he was brilliant, and he was doing this type of stuff in pre-season. We were all going, "Whoa, Coutinho's going to break out. This is like a wonder player." You know what I mean? If only we know how bad Dortmund we're going to be this. [LAUGHTER] What are you, he's doing it now? He's doing it, and he's doing it week in, week out, and you go to the West Ham game, and he's the one that's prompting and probing and finding. But what a pass to get him in for the actual opening goal. He said, "Don't know how he did that." That's just instinct, isn't it? Thanks. It is just instinct. It was amazing, wasn't it? It really was. It's also incredible technique. You have to watch the court leg in here. It was a shot. [LAUGHTER] But you know, he's also now got his own trademark pass, which is the Coutinho. He has the Coutinho. The Coutinho, boy Coutinho. Boy Coutinho. We'll just start over the shoulder, flick, and he gave one of them to Moreno last night. I was like, "There's the Coutinho." Oh, I'm all about taking son out of it in the middle of the picture. Oh, with a little flick. I mean, that just doesn't it? You know, I didn't even do it last night. Didn't he answer all that approach then? He did it last night as well. He like kind of did about three keep ups, and then hit it. Yeah, that's right. But he lost the ball. But I mean, up until that, he was fantastic. But he's allowed to. But you know, we're talking about this goal. It's creating space in packed defenses. He's creating the space in packed midfields. It's as you're saying, we gave him the ball. We gave him the ball because we know that he's not going to lose. And he's going to get the ball back to one of them players. He all has got one sided with though him having a bit of pace in front of him on front of him. Of course. The ball has just fallen into place. He was doing this in the fourth half of the season, but he had nothing ahead of him. So nearly every time he had to turn back on himself. Exactly. Or play him which had a pass, which wasn't. He has an option now, hasn't he? But it goes back to the system change, which is suit in so many of the players. And this isn't a... That's the magic credit. I have to say it means. It has to be. It is. Because even the tweaks within the system, to be fair, I mean, it's one thing saying I'm going to play it back three. And we've talked about this. There's one thing saying you're going to play it back three. It's quite a different thing to say. I'm going to play three, four, two, one, which is not a system that many people play. And actually play with Sterling up front instead of maybe sticking Lamborghini up there or whoever he decided to play. So I think to be fair, the system has really liberated him, you know, as well in that role that he's played. Right. But Sterling has liberated him. Well, I think Sterling... I might as well get in half a lot of credit. Oh, I don't know. I think Sterling's getting a lot of credit. Look, every time I go to the part one week, it's Sterling. Next week, it was Sacco Monday. We're talking about Emery Chan and continue tonight. Look, he is getting the credit. I don't mean us. You could spend your time, you know, going on about the same players over now. And you will. Because they're the ones who have torn the round and given us this recovery in our season that we didn't have up until now. And, you know, we need to Deloitte at Catino because the performance is over the last two games. We've talked about Chan. We've talked about Sacco in terms of the influence that they had defensively and as a control and force in the actual team. But everything that's been good in terms of an attack and threat has stemmed from Catino. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Sterling is given him the movement that he drives on. And because he drives in that movement, it means that the stuff that he's doing is coming off. So it's caused an effect. If we have somebody else there, it doesn't happen. You know, when Barini comes on and he's making his insight, making his insight runs, nobody's picking out that pass. You know what I mean? The only person that picks out that pass is when storage comes on and he plays a ridiculous back heel that gets him in. You know what I mean? And it's not a true ball. It's just something he sees out the corner of his eyes and it's doing perfection. Incredible, yeah. But you bring storage back in and suddenly you have two owners for continue to hit. You know what I mean? I don't know. I know we're moving on now to the preview of the next game. But, you know, it's such a relief. To see fluid attack and football after the fourth half of the season, which was so alien, which was so static and so sterile, that, you know, suddenly we've started making chances, suddenly we're more pinning teams back. And for us to have any chance of torn around this season around, and we still haven't done the torn around this season, and I know we'll talk about December, we still haven't done this torn around this season. All we've done is we've gotten ourselves back to a position we would have expected to be in. And it has nailed to the credit the manager has gone with a certain system. However, he could have gone with something like this a lot earlier in the season, and results could have been a lot different. And I think, I know we'll talk about it in a while in terms of our practice. For Rogers, but I'm just saying, you know, there is a bit of that as well, saying, you know, we could have done something a lot later. I think the other thing, and I know we talked about it on Monday, but, you know, obviously nobody heard that. So, I did. I did. The thing, definitely, it was shit. And I know it's a really obvious point to make, right? But the average age of the starter lineup against West Ham was 24. With Skirtland Lucas. With Skirtland Lucas and Mindile, right? To all above that age. You know, think about that for a minute. Think about like, Sterling is 1920, Coutinho's 21, Immejans' 20, Sturridge is 25. I mean, it really is frightening. And this is the thing, this is the thing when we come on to talk about our expectations for the rest of the season, and the manager talk about all that crap, right? Which people are fixated about. There is enough in there. There is enough in that team to be excited about what we might do in the next year or so. Irrespective of who the manager is. That, and signing Coutinho to a new deal, is a phenomenal piece of business. Sterling next, that's got to come. But signing Coutinho to newbie, an 8 million pound player, a five year deal. I mean, it's a phenomenal business. Thank you for not saying this like a new signing anyway. And we'll end the review there. Okay, let's take a look at the game coming up. The British side, Darby at the weekend, Colis and Park. We started off with probably a very brief discussion about Everton and... That's shit. Yeah, it was going, it was going along those lines, isn't it? Where are the people's club filled up? The know people's club. Phil, talk to me about your interesting kind of quote or reference to quote from Mr Martin as there. He was talking about Everton's form, and the reason why we should be afraid of them. He said both teams are coming into the form. And they're a little bit slower coming into the form. They're slower coming into the form. But, you know, the only merit that he has in his day, if you go back to our results recently, and the up tournament form, it starts off, it generally starts off as a slow one. So I think it was, we had the Champions League game and it was a drawdown, we drew... All the staggering draws. Then you win a match. They've done a draw, draw and a win. So, you know, it's hard to see. You can't put an equivalent to the two sets of form, because we're top of the form table in terms of what's there, and they're way down. But at the same time, they've started to pick up points again. So, he's trying to infuse an artificial sense of confidence into them, going into the game, saying that actually, no, look, these lads, we're just like them. We're coming, this is us, this is us coming into the business part of our season, and we're going to move into recovery. And you know, that's what a manager has to do. He has to instill believe that he can't... He can't be there saying, "Ah, Jase, that limber people are mad in form, and we're shooting." You know what I mean? He's hardly going to come out and say it. Even if the truth is slightly different, but, you know, there is something to look there, the farmbook goes out the window. Oh, God. Jesus. And as they say at the end of the day, it's all about the cliches that go on. It is. As Einstein said. As Einstein said. I said, fuck all of them in San Diego's dopes. His dopes. I never said it. And Neil, have you any stats for me? No. Go on, you say to him. What happened, 12th in the league at the minute? That's your fucking stats. No, sorry. I have. I don't know how to check my notes. They saw Darrin and his dad. They saw Mr. Lennon. Yeah. Did you see the photographer got sacked? He was sacked as well. For Darrin. I mean, that's not his action. Martin has dug him out on Sky TV. He says, "Well, that's the photographer's fault." 'Cause he was questioned a bit. 'Cause Lennon was pissed the night before. They're not the photographer's globe anymore. I don't know. The thing is, but I have it done, right? They've only won six out of 23 or six. [LAUGHTER] There's your... They've lost, they've actually lost six games out of 16, you know? So, I mean, you know, there's a lot of... I mean, there's a lot of... No, but in a very similar position to what I said, I was meant to not score on many goals. I didn't mean to top score as Lukaku. He's only got six, I think. Mm. Yes, he has six. [LAUGHTER] No, but listen, is this... I now feel the farm because of the window. [LAUGHTER] You can repeat that of all the things you can repeat. [LAUGHTER] It got... It's like I always... It's like a... Kind of... I kind of repeat it. [LAUGHTER] I didn't say it. The phone book is over there. But if we play to our full potential, it doesn't really matter what they do. We play to our full potential. If we do play to our full potential, it doesn't matter what they do, because we have infinite, better players. Yeah. And we've a better manager and a player in the better system than everything. So... So... I'm not particularly worried about the match and setup. Yeah, are you worried, Dave? Well, listen to me... Listen to me, I don't know why we'd bother turning... Why they'd bother turning up to be honest with you? I think the fans won't... No, I mean... [LAUGHTER] The no people's club. I think there's two ways to look at this, right? In the calllight today, you have to win this game. The 12th, the shit. If we've got any... Every game that's coming up, we have to win that. Yeah, no, I know that. But there's certain games you go... You know, Southampton away, you go. Jesus, you know, it's a tough game. They're above us in the league. Ever done away, you know, we should be beating them. Ever done away is an easier game than West Amrholm. Yeah. Right? And we just beat West Amr easy. So, we have to be beating them, and we have to beat them well. There is no margin for error. We can't be getting a draw. 20 chance and they've had a victory against us, I believe. And, you know, so the second part of what I was going to say... So, that's the cold, hard, logical side of it. But then, you know, that superstitious kind of emotional side of it is going... Exactly. Oh, aren't they just do? Yeah. Aren't they just do, you know, a little spony... They would love... One nil. They would love to win. To really put the Koibash in us getting top four. Because, you know, there's a chance this weekend that we could leapfrog spores if they don't... If they don't be other fixtures, I don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. If they don't be the arsenal. And, you know, then you're ahead of one of the teams that you need to get ahead if you want to be top four. You know, on a logical part. And you look at the run of tree league games that we have coming up. It's everything spores and Southampton. You know what I mean? Tree wins there. We'll have us up in fifth in the actual table. Like, it will have us up in fifth. And so, you know, everything would absolutely fucking love to beat us. Because then, if they beat us, it means that no matter what happens in the arsenal and spores game, we're not going anywhere in that table. Do you know what I mean? And it's like it was in the moist. This is their cup final now. You know, this is the game where they go, "We're not going to do anything else this season." So, what is our season? They were distracted because they were actually winning some games. And, you know, they had a chance to... So, they were also in the defense. It's no more important than the West Ham game was. For me, personally. No, no, it's just how this is the way we have to win. We have to win. We have to win the game after that. And the game after that. And because of the form that we've had, it's left us here in the case. Coming back to the cup final, energy. You know, every game is a cup final. But you are right, but we have to win every game. But there's certain seasons where you go, be away, Darby. Ah, you take a draw there. Yeah, I get you. You know what I mean? Whereas, you know, we can't be thinking like that. That is a bad result for us if we get a draw in here. I mean, they don't have a player, probably nice with the side. Who's in any sort of form? You know, they're terrible. No. You know, so there really is... And again, like, we might as well touch on our own team, but you know, you look at them and they've been struggling in terms of, you've had Joe Robles and Gull, because Howard, their force choice is being missing. We have a goalkeeper that's, that's, that's refound and discovered for me, hasn't had. Like he, again, last night against Bolton, he was immense. You know what I mean? He was common. He was being dominant in his box. He was winning crosses. And he's going to have to do that against Everton, because they will. We'll look at you there. They will look to use the aerial presence and the aerial threat that he has. The likes of Jagiel to get this down and all. They're all good and set pieces. And they will look at his score. In fact, he scored off the set pieces against us last year. Do you remember, like, in the two all the way? They were all good and set pieces again last night, actually. Exactly. And that's what it was, wasn't it? It was, I can't remember. It was throughout Danny's story. He got to... He was drinking. Headed to because... That morning. And, but you know, and that's, that's where we have to be. That's where we need to manipulate, to continue on as a run of form. And, you know, we, he's been, what he's done is, as I said, he's thrown off his own shackles, his own mental shackles in the way he's playing now. And he's playing a lot better. He's playing a lot more the way you'd want a goalkeeper, that you'd want to hold down the number one jersey of air club to play. And long made that continue. And he's going to need a big game against Everton. Because there are going to be chances. It's going to be there, but there's going to be chances. And he's going to have to come up with the big saves. But what we have to make sure is that, at the other end, we punish the fight the other. If they bring Howard back in, he hasn't played him so long and he's coming back from injury. And if Robles is there, he's not a top level keeper. We need to punish the fact that he isn't a top level goalkeeper. And similar to what we did against Larnigan last night, when they came up, we were hitting the post in the hole up. But we kept it closer. And then when we got the chances, finally, we buried him. It's, you know, looking at our team, the best thing about this, we're not going in saying, "Jesus, I got to keep it." We're not going to come ill for anything. And, you know, even a little... He's an off-light, long way to go. It's a very pros, anything to say. I'm not saying, but he's... I mean, he's had a couple of good games, but you're still on the back of your mind. You're saying just every time... I would rather him coming into a game like this, full of the confidence he has, playing the way he has, than going into the game, say three or four months ago, when he wasn't coming off as long as he was scared. You know, he was starting to let in the shot. He was starting to drop on the game. But to say he's reliable, that's gone too far. I think. Well, no, I mean, I think... I mean, like, you want your goal. It's the last line of defense. That's where the odds start, and where the odds start, and where the odds start, and where it all ends for me. And you have to have ultimate 100% faith in your goal game. What you said... And I don't think they do. No, what you said also rests for him as well, that we can't be complaining about Minneapolis this moment in time, because the performance he's putting in means that he's deserved to carry the short, the way he's been carrying it, because that's exactly... Yeah, well, he deserves to carry the short there, because there's nobody else. But Neil, that's... We wanted our goalkeeper to play the way he's playing. He's playing that way. And we're not going to be selling another goalkeeper between now and the end of the season. And we wanted to continue on the way. And he deserves... He deserves the praise and credit that we're given to the likes of Emery Jan, that we've given to Mamadou Sacco, because he's been as important. And what does that stand from? He has a solid back tree in front of him. He knows they're going to stop chances. They're not going to give away stupidness. And he's going to be able to do his best. Well, it's not so long ago. I mean, it was only Chelsea, where he literally couldn't kick a football, which is remarkable for Mamadou. And he was brought up in the... Listen, here, where the keeper's... You're not going to pick the ball up, so he's had a... You're confusing for that. You're confusing what he praised from our owner's recent form, and hoping that he continues in the form to say that he's the long-term number one for our club. One, we need him now to continue that run of form to the end of the season. Yeah, I think the mini-lay debate is obviously an interesting one, because he has undergone what is quite a remarkable upturn in form. And I mean, I'm kind of with... I think we're all kind of saying the same thing. No one wants it. I don't think anyone wants to see him as our number one starter next season. But he's there, right? He's not going anywhere. I think he's actually angry. I think he doesn't give a fuck. I think he's like... I think he probably hates Rogers. And... No, generally, I think that's in his head. He's going... I'll make it continue. Yeah, and he's going... Fuck you. Yeah. Basically, I'll show you. I'm great. I hope he stays angry. I hope he takes it out in Lachaku's head. Obviously, the keeper's going to start. The battery's going to start. Yeah, well, let's do... You know what the other big question is, as regards to who starts, and we've touched on all that. I can't see... Be straight with you, right? I think the team that started against West Ham... Yeah. With Gerard. Instead of... Is Senator Lallana. Is Senator Lallana. That's the team that starts at Derby. I completely agree. And I thought it was Rogers. Unless Markovitch doesn't recover, which case I able to play. Yeah, but... I don't know if I able to play. I think he might... I think he might go up on KO there. Or Johnson. Oh, no, I think he'll play out. I think he'll play out. Next man in is Johnson. Anyway... But, yeah. Jesus help. Anyway, let's not do Johnson. Let's not do Johnson. No, no, no. Markovitch is here with a bit of credit, too. If not, now it's for Warprey. And we have been... And if he's 50 starts, I mean... Yeah, I think that... I think... And I thought he was... Going back to the point a bit... What did he do with Gerard? For me, if we're starting Gerard in the Derby as part of that front tree, I start him in the middle... Yeah. Of that front tree. I'll let Coutinho and Sterling wander, drift, do whatever they do, play alone. Sterling to make his runs. And I start Gerard right up top, and I tell him, you do not come back past halfway, going on. You're going to act that when the bar goes up to you. You're going to have Sterling running off. You can play trueboards as well. You're going to have Coutinho there. And when you're in there, you're a much bigger physical trepper. We've never seen that. It'll be great to see. Just once. Well, see, I wouldn't do it personally, because I think you lose. He can't make the runs. I mean, look, if we take in all USA and you don't think Rogers is a sentimental manager, and I understand that, but let me tell you some of the things that are happening on Saturday, right? It's his final Derby. They are playing. You'll never walk alone before the game in Goodison Park for Gerard, because it's his last Derby. They're also unveiling a Hillsborough memorial... Like a chair. ...on the day. I'm telling you that. Gerard started. I mean, I mean... Absolutely. He started. So the question then becomes... Well, for me, you know, why do you play him where he has the least negative impact? And I think you play him where Lalana played last night. So I think we're all saying he should start in the front three. I think they move around anyway to be honest with you. I mean, if he starts in the middle of the park... Oh, my God. We're weakening ourselves. It's just ridiculous. We are weakening ourselves. Yeah, of course. He's not capable of it. We've just got to stage with that formation and that setup. That nearly every player is picking themselves based on what they're bringing in that formation. You know what I mean? In terms of it is. So if you're going to play Gerard, then you put him in the position that he's played in that system, where we've gotten the most out of him. I tell you something, though. If we had a bet or option, for me, someone would have a bit of a question mark against him as Moreno, based on the last couple of games. I think he's been... I think he's been poor. I thought he was poor last night. I thought he was poor against both the last night. I think we gloss over it because... Because it's not Enrique and he's not Johnson. Again, you know, he was poor. We're talking about 20-year-olds. You know what I mean? In terms of what... No matter... A poor Moreno is still... Better than... But that's what I said. If there was a different option, he'd have a question mark against him. The fact that our option is Enrique means he starts. But for me, he does need to improve... No matter what you're writing, I think if we play him in the middle right up front, that takes everything away that we've just said, why can't he always come on so much that he has someone at the tip of the spear, he can... But then it's going to make the rules. Gerard isn't capable of making those rules anymore. There wasn't time when he called it, but not now. Neil, then you're saying that Sterling isn't going to make those ones. Just because you're playing there, if you're playing... The slight change in that is that... Stirling plays, it's effectively like when storage is there, that Coutinho is behind the totem. And Sterling can become an auxiliary attack-emit feeler if Coutinho is caught up in pitch, or Sterling is also a center forward. So you've got a double-treat in Gerard and Sterling and that. You can either play a ball in... In let Gerard use his physicality and he won't get bounced around, or he can go around the corner and use Sterling's pace for Coutinho. I just think there is a technical variation. And look, I'm telling you, that's my point. Brendan Rodgers is not doing anything that I thought he should do all this season, so I don't expect him to change that at the weekend. And I fully expect Gerard to start wearing the land and start. I would just like to see him there. I always stand by it. My greatest regret is that we didn't develop Gerard in the same way as Roman developed Tati, because I think he could still be providing the same thing that Tati does to Roma at 46-47 in terms of that. They aren't relying on his pace. They've built around him and they get the best out of what he has. - That's 38. - Imagine. - 28. - Imagine. Yeah, well, okay. So there are the two selections. Well, it's really the only one selection issue that we can imagine. Well, it's true, it does start. - It does start, yeah. - It does start. I mean, I think we've all kind of hinted at it. I don't think he does after only 40 minutes of play after five months. I mean, why would we... It's not... If we were desperate, if we really needed him, I'm sure our Rogers will consider rushing him. But do you remember the impact he had off the bench last year? Yeah, well, that's the thing. I just don't think we need him to start this point. You know the fear factor that will go on when he comes on. As we've seen against West Ham, as we've seen against Bolton, he appears with 20 minutes to go. - And he's like, where do we want to go? - I don't like him to have to shit themselves. - Right? - Let us know which one we will be. - Yeah. - And I'm telling you now, like West Ham did, it will cause him to drop four or four yards, because he don't want to get exposed to his pace and Sterling's pace. Plus, it helps the manager if he doesn't have to start, then because he doesn't have to. If he starts storage, then one of Jared, Sterling, Catina, Lucas, I end up with some misses out. And who you're dropping from the walls right now? You're not dropping any of them up. - Well, he probably doesn't admit. - Jared's in the middle of the field, which is... - Well, he might... - Well, he dropped Mark, which will play it in some right wing back, is what he might do. But, I mean, if he does that, look, we're all agreed right. - I think that's exactly what's going to happen. He's gonna drop Mark of Agent Henderson and play it in the middle. - I think that's what... - That would be absolute car crush. - It would be car crush stuff, but I mean, if we're going on his farm lately, that's where he's going to play, isn't it? - Well, if we're going on his farm, we're talking about the manager's farm. - Well, if we're going on it, yeah, I mean, I don't think he's starting to start, so I think Jared plays well on a plate. And I think, you know, I just think he's not going to mess around with it too much. If he mess around too much, we're in trouble. - Okay, well, look, let's move it on a little bit. Then we talked about the team and basically the team that we expect. So, let's get predictions. So, Neil, how do you see the Darby go? - I'd say a comfortable tune-in away win. - A comfortable tune-in away win, that's lovely. That's very confident. - Yep, that's how we roll. - Thank you, that's confident. - I don't know. The last few predictions I've given, I just don't feel the confidence. - Because they've been rubbish? - No, I mean, we haven't to be fair. - We're all your predictions. - All my predictions, yeah, they have been rubbish. I'm going to hope that my rubbish streak of predictions is going to continue, but I'm going to say that we will draw one-one. - Ooh, okay, that stings a bit. I think two more Liverpool, what do you reckon for? - I'm not confident about this. You know, it's helped me to win five near last night, so long when I could teach. - You did, yeah, yeah. - So, look, I'm not confident. I hate this, and I'm a sucker for fucking the farming. I'm also a sucker for superstition, and I just keep looking at saying, those fuckers are eventually going to beat us. And I just hope it's not Stephen Gerard's last game that they beat us on. - I hope you win. I genuinely hope you win. I hope you win. I hope you win three or four near like we did last year at home. I hope we absolutely marmalade them. You know what I mean? I just want to see us ram home a massive victory. You know, to set us up, going into sports and so time- - That's what you want, but you're not sold. - I'm not sold. I think it's likely to be a draw or a loss than it is to be a win. Just, there's all fucking connotations. There's all that out of the motion. What Dave says can also work negatively. There's all the, you know, "Prendy, you never walk alone." And the, you know, there's the context of the derby. - Yeah, and you know, that stuff, you've seen it in different games. You've seen it affect teams negatively as opposed to positively. They become overcharged. They become over emotional in the game. And the clarity of talk that sometimes go missing. We've also got a lot of players who'll be in, well, we've got the likes of Emi Chan and that he'll be in their forced derby. Yeah, because he didn't play in the, in the home one. And he's going to be under huge pressure. - Legs is an issue as well. - Yeah. - I mean, that's the other thing that kind of worries me is, you know, Coutinho, Sterling, Jean, Sako, Moreno, all putting a lot of yards over the last few games, you know, doesn't start to tell. Anyway, look, I mean, I don't want to bring it all down. I think that's, oh, yeah, five net worth. Yeah, I think that, yeah. - Yeah, I did prefer that. - I am Lujwari. You are listening to Trippen's chat. Go! - Right, listen, Trippen, I was wondering if you interrupted me, really? You are a terrible bastard. - We'll start with-- - What are we doing? - Talk about Brendan Rodgers. - Oh, Brendan. - Yeah, the Brendan topic. And we'll start with, look, we've had a couple of people suggest a couple of topics, and we'll just mention them first, and then we go from there. Brian Murphy was saying, I wonder who he's talking about. He said, "Isn't it about time Rodgers bashers who wanted him gone so harshly, or so hastily, admit that they were wrong or that we're better off with him?" And then Kieran Palmer also says, "Is Rodgers a fraud, or a genius, or actually somewhere in between?" Now, that's the kind of general ideas and thoughts, and there's been other comments over what do we think? - No, no, no, no! - No, he's not a front. - Are we recording? - Yeah. - Good lives. - Oh, yeah, okay. - For me, you can't turn around and say anything. We're seventh in the league. - Yeah. - You know what we haven't achieved, aren't you? We've been knocked out of the semi-final in the league, up. - Yeah, it's back to the meaning of the thing, isn't it? - It's a work in progress. - It's a work in progress, right? You can't turn around and say that he's proved everyone wrong in terms of what he's done. - No. - He's still shown mistakes in his decision-making in terms of substitutions in the run that we've been on. There is an element of luck in terms of the team that he's had to pick due to injuries. The bigger questions come now over the next seven games as to how much has he actually learned. How much now would a fully fit squad to pick from? Has he learned that actually the youth, the players that have been signed, are much more trustworthy than the absolute garbage that I was using in the fourth half of the season. If he's done that, then you can pose the question, should there be a large dose of humble poi eating by the looks of himself, who still don't feel yet that he's the manager that is going to take us on to better things. And that's not me saying I think he's crap and the whole lot. For me, it's more to do with what do I expect from Liverpool Football Club and what do I expect my manager to be doing and capable of doing? And am I going to be sitting here in 12 months time, talking about how we need to go on a great run in the second half of the season to achieve it? Because every indications in all the seasons that he's been there is that he's not good in the fourth half of the season and eventually something happens, which then shows his capabilities as a manager, that he adapts the things to fit when his back is put against the wall, where the really good managers address that before it gets to the stage where they have to do something. They see the problems, they execute a plan to solve the problems and play in a system which has never walked from since day one it came in, the 4-2-3-1, when we don't have the players to play that system, has continually led to bad form in the fourth half of the season. So for me, it's way too early to say, has Rogers, have we, have those who doubt whether he's the man or not, have they been toward... Just head on and see. Dave, everyone knows I love writing a Rogers article I do on basically most days. But I'm so I'm feeling very comfortable right here in the middle of someone who's saying, "Look, he's proven nothing yet." And I'm wondering, are you going to be on the side of saying, "Well, actually no, there's quite a lot to admire." Or am I setting you up incorrectly? Well, I definitely think you should stop bashing your Roger. I would definitely... I will, yeah, yeah, yeah. Start with that, I think that if you were someone who, in the first half of the season, categorically said that Rogers was terrible, then you should be someone now who has to acknowledge that if everything was his fault, then you can't now say that all the good things that have happened are not his. So if you're an absolutist, if you say that everything's bad, that everything that goes on is down to the manager, and he doesn't, he can't play in bad luck, then you can't turn around and say that all the good things that have happened, you know, or that's because of good luck. I understand the argument both ways. I think it's much more nuanced than that. And I think the position I've taken earlier is I am a fan of Brendan Rogers. I think he is a very good manager, right? And I think what he did last season was unprecedented. And I mean that in the absolute definitive use of the word, nobody has ever done what we did last season in the Premier League, right? Nobody has overcome that point difference that he made season on season. So what that means is that means he gets the season. And I've argued all the way through that even when in the pits of our bad, we were, he should get the season. So I still maintain that. I say that now is not the time for anyone. And actually, this is the problem with our fans is we're attempting to make, we're always attempting to make like definitive decisions about things. You know, we want to be able to staple our flag to a mass and say, like, you know, like people are smirking in the room going, oh, I said he was crap first, I said he was brilliant first. See, I'm the one that said he's turned it around. I'm the one that said he should be sacked. For as my view on it is, you take a long sober reflection on it at the end of the season, you say, what went well this season, what didn't go well this season, not just the manager, but also the people around him and supporting him. And if he has gone into the top four and won a trophy and done all these wonderful things that we hope that he does, then that makes the case for keeping him much stronger. But I come back to this, if Carl Ancelot, the referee amateur in the summer, said, I want to go and manage Liverpool, right, then that's a different discussion than saying we should sack Rogers. There is nobody in Liverpool football club who is beyond upgrading. There is nobody, not a player, a manager, a member of the coaching staff, CEO, nobody, that if there wasn't a better option on the market, we shouldn't sit down and have a serious, serious think about going to get the best person properly to manage Liverpool. So for me, this season has been sobering in that I was a big Rogers fan, you know, probably a big Rogers apologist for a lot of things. But now I'm much more around, actually, the team is what we should be focused on. If we have enough good players, it doesn't matter who the manager is, we have a lot of good players, and we shouldn't be quick to anoint him or slag him off, regardless of what happens during the rest of the season, we should look at it at the end of the season. Neil, I get it hard to read you sometimes, fella, sometimes you seem so happy. Sometimes you seem like a terrible miserable estal together. So what's your take on Rayman and Roger? Well, I think I'm kind of echoing what Dave said more or less. The time for an indictment on a judgment on an accolade is at the end of the season. It's infinitely too soon to say, "Yeah, you're in relation to Rogers, meaning I made a lot of mistakes," granted earlier on in the season. But then at the same time, at the same token, teams are turning around when he has all the players available. I mean, they weren't available and they weren't all informed at the start of the season either. I mean, he does deserve a lot of credit for the turnaround lately, meaning the change in formation, change in tactics. And we went back to basics like I said, "Get your best players on the pitch." I mean, that's what we've done in so far as it does it easy there next year, but that's to be decided when the league table is settled, you know what I mean? Champions League qualification is the basis. I mean, that's- It's fair to say then. I'll just troll this to the retirement. It's fair to say, if he gets that, then unless, as you say, Dave, unless there's some bizarre scenario where a really, really top world class manager wants in, he takes it. Sorry, if he gets top four, he keeps it. He keeps the job, has to. And that should do. Regarded us a more personal preference, whatever. Yeah. He keeps the job and he deserves to keep the job. I think it's important to say as well that he doesn't have to be the worst manager in the world, or the best manager in the world. I mean, if we can get a very good group of players together, a good manager, that's enough to win the league. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? He doesn't have to read him. So, yeah. Look at Machini. I mean, it's not like Machini say the best man. Shit, or no, he's brilliant. It's not, I mean, there's two ends of the spectrum. If he's somewhere in between and he has the players available and the finances available to go and get the players that he needs, well, then his job is infinitely easy. And he's a local club himself. And he's a young guy. Yeah, fair. He's a young guy. And I think he's doing particularly well at the minute. Barely in the mind, his job being a question from supporters. And it is so, it's such a kind of close-knit community. He does get that feedback. Of course, he does. Made a constant deterrence. And he reads it in the media. It means it everywhere. But it's all about it. If the season ended tomorrow and we were in a position within now, seventh no trophies, then there's a very legitimate argument to say that we should go and there's a lot of things that have gone wrong. It's really fast behind the plan that they set out when he signed his contract. That's what I mean, yeah. He has to be an ex-place at edX time. And I would imagine the progression. Well, we were ahead of schedule last season, let's say rather than overachieving. So, I mean, the Champions League qualification, I would have taught is exactly where we should be in the progression of his contract. And if he doesn't get that, then he's failed. I mean, that's fair enough. If you fail, you don't meet the terms of your contract, then you lose your job. I'm just not sure there's many other clubs who have such a relationship with the manager, who have such a need for the manager to work out and for it to be so personal that he succeeds or doesn't succeed. That's good point, though. I think most clubs, there's a view that as long as the manager is winning, everyone's happy if he's not winning, people want to change. And I think Liverpool fans, and loads of people have talked about the messianic nature of the managers that we have here. But I think what we've fallen foul of this season is that everyone, and I include myself in this, is so quick to take definitive positions, to go, I'm a Rogers fan, and it kind of doesn't matter what happens. I'm always going to be a Rogers fan, and anyone thinks differently is an idiot. And then, as the other side of the spectrum, which is, Rogers is afraid that it doesn't matter what happens, I'm always going to think he's a fraud and he should get sacked. We're in a grey area, we're in an area where there's loads of ambiguity, and he's done lots of things right, he's done lots of things wrong, but there's nothing definitive to say at the moment. But I think people should be allowed to have their own opinion. When I say that, there's too much trying to say, "Well, no, your opinion is wrong." Yeah, there's a lot of arguments that you can fall on either. And that's why I stick to my position around this. You know what I mean? It's not that I don't want him to do well. Every time we go to play, I want him to make the right decisions, I want us to win the games. Irrespective of having an extreme opinion, you can still... Yeah, look at it. Why would I want him to fail? Yeah, exactly, yeah. You know what I mean? I don't want Brendan Rogers to fail. I want him to succeed, because if he succeeds, that means that Liverpool football club succeeds. That means that we achieve the goals that we sell out, and we ultimately win the league, and we win the Champions League. And that's fundamentally what supporting the club is. But you are allowed, as a fan, have an opinion that you don't think that he's going to deliver that. And on the basis of what you see, you've got too many questions. It's not that I want him to do bad. It's not that I relish in when he fails. Yeah, that's a different thing. There is an element of that, of course, in the fan base. Yeah, and it's not a case of... And I don't think we do on this part. You know, I don't think we go out from... When there's plenty of opportunities, and there has been plenty of opportunities, we've questioned what was going on. We've questioned, can you not see the right things to do? But that's good, healthy debate. And it should be there. We should never be afraid, and people shouldn't be afraid to express opinions. But we shouldn't try to express it in a way that it means that only my opinion is right. And if you don't think it, then you're wrong. Because there isn't. As Dave says, football is grey. There is no black and white. I'm a black and white person when it comes to it, right? But look, he's right in what he says. I'm grey. Well, yeah, I'm very right. If we're all honest, opinions should change when facts change. I mean, that's the reality. Well, if your opinion isn't based on facts, then it's just warrants. Exactly. It's for a sentence. It's just a sentence. It's just a sentence. This is from David Nickel. And David's one of them, "What's your favourite tinned food?" And he says, you know... Well, he gives a few suggestions. I'm not going to influence you. "Your favourite tinned food?" I haven't given this much time. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't tend not to eat processed food. You know, my body's a temple. Really? No. Ambrosia cream rice. Ambrosia cream rice. Oh, it's a shout. Isn't it? Yeah, haven't that? That is a shout. Wait a minute. They've ruined it now, because there's too many plastic tubes of Ambrosia cream rice. It has to be the tin. It has to be the tinned. With the old-fashioned opener that makes you go to a week and it keeps slipping off. Yeah, yeah. And then you have a drink like this. Point that. That is a tremendous show. Point that to it. Anticipation, is that... It's an event. It's an event. That's the only place to come and there's a little bit of air comes over. And then you go round it and it doesn't walk. So you have to turn the thing around and get it away. And you're going to have it holding it in cold. It's a warm up and then it's going to have to go through it all right. And then it takes a whole cup off. So it doesn't fit back in. Would you go to Ambrosia cream rice as well? No. I'm not into that at all, myself. What? Yeah, I know. That's tremendous. I wouldn't pick it, but that is a tremendous show. It is a great show. Yeah. It's a fine show. A calico and curl. What would you go? It's an umbrella. What would you go? It's an umbrella. If you want to go crazy, you can put a thought up a jam on it. No, no. You seem to have powerful opinions of this thing. So my answer is that in Azda, maybe they should do it, but about 10 years ago, they used to do a full breakfast in a candle. I saw that. I saw that. You used to be a scotch egg, two sausages, bacon, beans, all in one. Tell me you've eaten it. Tell me you've eaten it. Oh, I've eaten it too. Yeah, a few times. I mean, you're going to close your eyes. Yeah, I mean, you don't want to look at it when you eat it. But it is. I mean, on a nice bit of toss now, that was all right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phil, have you got a different chef? No, the tin-filled tin goes into mushy peas. Mushy peas. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking hate peas. What the fuck is wrong with you? Mushy peas. Mushy peas are wonderful. I know you're 65. I mean, I understand you. I don't have age to buy it. I said you're 100% 65. You can take your tea down when you're just cooking. No, mushy peas. Because nobody in the house- Trevi to mushy everything. No, nobody in the house. Mushy peas. So you can't buy a whole packet of them and deal with it. So the tin gets it. It's just your tin. So you have it and you have it- Oh, no one else can play. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see, yeah, yeah. I go, I go with kind of Guinness. Ah, no. That's fucking- That's not a kind of field. That's not a kind of field. That's not a kind of field. That's not a kind of field. That doesn't count. No, it's a good shot. No, it's not just because your granny says it doesn't mean it's real. My granny knows more than you. There was no cans in your fucking granny's day. They didn't invent cans until- There was Guinness in my granny's day. That's the point. But it wasn't even caulking- But it's in the can now. It's just caulking. It's still perfectly good. Your granny was starving because the potato farmer was on. Like, you know, so what the fuck does she know? The potato farmer, I'm still not right. I was going to fuck a potato. That's brilliant. Well, if you're going to be a fussy eater. What do you mean? Put a potato in a can. Sput in a can? You can get spuds in a can. No, wait. Yeah, you can get spuds in a can. They do potatoes in a can. They do potatoes in a can. What's wrong with them? I haven't eaten them now. But I'm trying- No, I'm not- That's like- That's pointless. You can get potatoes in a can, yeah. But then again, they make it in a packet as well. It's my fucking hassle to put them in a pan. I can't- In a pan? I can. I mean, they just- You've totally misread the question. It's just gonna be on the ground. You can put them in the- Why would you bother putting them in a can and I'm getting- I don't do it personally. I usually do have them. Ah, no, no, no, no. It's for people who don't want to pee up a table. Tails in a sashay. Remember them from your student days. Smash. Smash. She's showing back in Michigan. Yeah. It's just smash. Smash. Just add water. Yeah. Hey, that's the- Ah, it's good. Smash. Thanks for- Yeah. Right, last one then is from Martin. Martin's staying back in- Martin, he's got a situation for us. He says- What should you prefer? To have a glass of red wine with fergie. To have a glass of white wine with marinio. Or a glass of rosé with allardice. Or champagne with fengar. This is all very nice. Which of these guys would you rather share an alcoholic- I don't have a few cans of Tim Sherwood. You have- You have a few cans of Tim Sherwood. I can't say- Cans are cream raisin on him. Kelly confirmed that we're all in the Tim Sherwood bus. We want this man. Oh, give him the job. Get that. Get him in with his- He's just a little Harry. He's young Harry. He's got it. He should literally- Do a salute every five minutes. Without the dodgy. He's a tire curator. In his contract. Yeah. He should have to do this salute. He'll fall on Benny Hill's salute all the time. Off that fours, right? When he wants to instruct the team, he has to salute fours. That's how he does an instruction. And now we're mostly there to have anything to do with allardice. What- When I was that fours, they're only one that you'd secretly like to have a chat with. Well, I would love to sit down, marinio. Have a nice guy. You love marinio though. Vigno Verde with him. Portuguese, sparkling wine. That's a bad spot. White, sparkling wine. I don't have a- I'm talking with him. And we have to sit down- Kaz El Garcia. That's my own favourite one of my parts. I've got to be there. Having a nipity El Kaz El Garcia. We're saying- Maria, what's the story there? What's the story, Maria? What's the story? What do you reckon- What do you reckon of the three, four, two, one? Is it Materi? Or do you reckon Rogers has that twisted a bit now? What- Is that where you go with it? Yeah. Pretty good. I think I suppose he's- I'll know I drank wine, but the strangest of things. That was the moment. Not even your own wine. Just don't drink the coltars. Just don't drink the coltars. Finish with a shout for Astro Park as per usual. If you want to book some football pitch time here in Dublin, get on to Astro Park that I eat. Quick shout for Neil Poole's We're Liverpool Fanzine, which has stuff from myself and Neil Gray, and it's available at all the home games. Get on to that. And there'll be a little offer that we'll mention next week again. Your day trippers tonight were Neil Gray, Dave Thomas, Phil Casey, and myself, Trev Downey. The great mergeshires. How's he going to say that? Rabbids up a sleeve. Gikna. What's Gikna? That was a beautiful thing. Phil, I hadn't heard of that. Yeah, are you doubling us a little bit now? What is it? What's it? How do you use it? You get like a Gikna. That's Gikna. That's the beauty. Oh, things can be Gikna. Everything is a Gikna. This is super fucking Gikna. It's a quality. You can use a friendly- Phil's got a full Tim Show with the victim. Full Tim Show. Full Tim Show. Well, I'll tell you a very- Really not a Gikna. Lash me fucking Gile on the ground. Timmy, Timmy, Hooky, hold. Do manage your leg. They're fucking great. Tim Show. Full Tim Show. Oh, I'd love if he gets the job. He's gonna get the job. He's gonna get the job, watch out. The Cupidger. Cupidger. No, it's time to test- Oh, yeah. I forgot the fucking head. I've got the sack. For bad knees. Isn't he? He's gone. Isn't he? He's gone. Yeah. He said he's gone. He wants me to sell him. He's not a fucking winner. Dean, I'm eight. Did you not even deal on her? You said I rang whoever the owner is. Tony, Tony. No, he actually said I rang whoever the owner is. Yeah. I don't only deal on her days, and all that phone codes. I can't use a phone. I have one of those kids' phones. Answer. Hang up. What's this dog called? Rosie. Rosie. What's that? Rosie, yeah. How do you know? 'Cause he was on trial. When he was for taxes. I was on trial. No, no, no. He was on- The dogs are female, Neil. The dogs are male. That's when he was a very good performer. So, yeah, I'm very happy. I was like, "Do you think of the men?" Oh, I thought it was very good. 22 men on that side of the game. I disagree with the last three on that. 21 finish, 'cause one on that side off. Turn. It's a certain half changer again. Obviously, it is. Because then we will start to be better than them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, stop! Robert, really? It's packed in the wrong one. It's on the curriculum. Yep, yep. It's on the priest's side, so. Yeah. Here we go. Well, the priest is wearing- We get sent to hell if we- We get sent to hell if we- if you don't go in your chaps. If you wear long trousers, you're going to hell. So, no, that's- If you wear other pants, you're going to hell. [Laughing] With your chaps? Chaps day. It's chaps day. Yeah, pick 50 pants away on the chaps. Tomorrow, tomorrow, it's- Next door is just going to fly. That is chaps day. Everyone else is holding chaps day. It's holding chaps day. It's just- [Laughing] Where is these speedo day? [Laughing] It's just- Is that the fact that- It's not that we get braved away, Brian. I don't know about that a little bit. Comes Tuesday. Comes Tuesday. That's a speedo day Tuesday. It's not- [Laughing] It's where that's in caution. What's that? Chaps day. [Laughing] Chaps day. Yeah. [Laughing] Right in the chaps day. Nobody builds 5G. Like Verizon builds 5G. Because we're the engineers who built the most reliable network in America. And the more you do with 5G, the more building it right matters. The more your network matters. The more Verizon engineers going the extra mile matters. It's us pushing us. 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