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So try the Stretch and Flex movie in Tarte Cherry or Pineapple Kale. Order online today for pickup or delivery. Smoothie King, Rule the Day. ♪ I'm open up and I won't tell you ♪ ♪ My worries as big as the moon ♪ ♪ I don't know what to eat or where I ♪ ♪ Something good comes with a bad song ♪ ♪ I've heard your sadness hope ♪ ♪ It's a silver line ♪ ♪ Show me my silver line ♪ ♪ Show me my silver line ♪ ♪ I hear what's called ♪ ♪ Calling out for me ♪ ♪ These shackles I made in the town ♪ ♪ Don't you be free ♪ ♪ Be free ♪ ♪ Be free ♪ ♪ I won't take the easy road ♪ It's Liverpool Football Club, and we never travel an easy road towards silver linings. It's the day, Trappers. Hey, Chingythee Ching, it's Dominic Lintonki, Chingythee Ching, the Italian Christmas Right, so a game which looked like would end in defeat due to our tragic inability to defend or set up defensively concludes with 9 minutes of injury time. We had a Beringy Miss Chance, a Beringy sending off a Skirtle bullet headed goal and we finished with a full stretch, John Stop. It's Batchick Christmas, John McLean, Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucking crazy, 10,000 attempts on goal, 400% possession, 10 men, a captain becoming eminently more like Sol's wife as the escaped Camara and Lazar Markovich, who's quickly losing his dodgy tag with which Casey Christendom. On tonight's Christmas pod, we've bundled nearly everyone we could into a secret city of centre location that even Google couldn't find, I'm Trev Denney, I've had a recently dodgy experience recently but tonight I'm surrounded by some lovely smoidy heads, Andy Young, Paul Brennan, Dave Thomas, Ray Brady, Phil Casey, we're all here to talk to you for Christmas. Right, Chaps, let's review the Arsenal match. The first debate we're going to have is about the attack. Let's talk about movement, lots of movement. It was nice to see he wasn't at Andy Young. Yeah, lovely. Finally, you're kind of looking at the team and thinking, okay, we're somewhere near back to last year and tacking Trent all the time and you're going to feel like they might actually score some goals. So it's just brilliant to have to see that back and now you're going to get a sense belief that there might be a run. And you were there a lot if, as it happened, life, so talk to me a little bit about how the crowd responded to that because I don't know but it seemed quite enough watching on TV. Yeah, I mean, it's no secret the atmosphere and I feel it's gone pretty poor over the years, so we're probably the last ten years and I think this season especially, it is, you know, the fans need to give them something like, you know what I mean, they're not going to get excited over it, absolutely nothing more human beings at the end of the day. So it was, it was quiet but, I mean, what did you not get that feeling when you're watching the game like the rest was still on TV that at least, well, there's an upswing here in the form. How do you mean? Well, like in the interplay, in the speed of movement and the, you know, the... Yeah, and I'll talk to you specifically to the atmosphere. No, one thing would lead to another, I would have thought. Yeah, I mean, the team are starting to give the fans something they're going to get excited about again. There's a few tackles going in, there's a few noise pits at pass and pass in a way or trouble, a bit of calmness at the back. And like, once you kind of feel paused there, then, you know, you see the fans are starting to get a little bit excited again. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's kind of like a draw, but it's kind of a real good factor back here, like, you know? Yeah. Paul, on that idea of movement, I suppose someone who contributed quite a bit to that was Mr. Markovich and he's had his critics, shall we say. How did you feel he did on the day? Yeah, he started off obviously fairly, really quietly for us. But I think in the last few games, he's been one of our best players, I'd say. I think he's really, nearly everything about him, his movement is passing, even, is brilliant. And I think he's like, he's a big part of our build-up play at the moment. And he like, I think he is, he's taking advantage of the movement in front of him, because even some of his first time passing, which I never would have associated with him, like, you know, in his first three games, has been brilliant, like passing into the feet of the likes of Lelana, Coutinho and Sterling in front of him. So I think it's a huge bonus for us that he is, he looks like someone that we can rely on even in an alien position to him. Would you care to tell the listeners what Phil just said either? He's just the only other Canadians in so part where their head goes up and down, so he's the one that we... Oh my god, Aaron! That was quite a turn to Phil. I'll try his hand. Yeah. Phil Vlon from Paul there, would you give me another take on Markovich, Dave? How did you feel he did? Let's talk about, you know, overall contribution in terms of, is he evolving the way we'd like to see now at last? Oh, I mean, I think there's loads of reasons to be enthusiastic about Markovich, I think that he's... First of all, he looks like he's a confidence player, so it's obvious that scoring the goal in midweek has helped him, and obviously if you play him more regularly with the same player as he's going to get used to playing with them, I thought he had a nice little understanding with Lalana and with Sterling, I thought some of the interplay there was very strong. Also thought he played well with Sako down the left-hand side, and I think that, you know, the first thing you look at when he's playing as a wingback is, does he get beat down the left-hand side, and he doesn't, you know, we don't get any real attack and threat from Arsenal down that side, and the second thing you look at is, does he contribute to the attack and play, and the reality is, on a different day, you're probably going to score two goals. You know, the first goal, he goes in, into the box, good, close control, Snazny, or whatever the fucking name is. Oh, that guy. That guy. It's Chazny. It makes a very good, very good team with his feet, something that a few of our goalkeepers could definitely stand to learn from, then only a couple of options from the edge of the box. So, I was really pleased with him. He was really bright. I thought it was a terrible decision to take him off, which will come to it. There was a really poor substitution, I just didn't understand it at all. And, you know, he looks at the type of play, and other if he starts to get more games, then he'll get more confidence, go more goals, and hopefully we'll start to see in the second half of the season what we all hoped we'd signed for 20 million. Ray, if you're going to play the guy, is that idea of a wing back position, a good place to deploy him? Well, I'm not too sure, under far, you can judge the formation on the fact that we've been playing better with that formation, or in not too sure whether, in general, I'd say I'm a fan of it, but it's so far, it seems to be good by making forward steps with that formation. So, you'd have to say yes, or echo exactly what Dave has said, that he definitely seems to be a confidence player, and he's just lifted himself, you can just say it just from getting a few minutes on the pitch that he's willing to do things that we were all told. He could do. You know, so, as I said earlier, it's a big slice of humble boy, because I've been sagging a fella off now, and he's making me swallow a shitload of it at the Minnesota. As I've said from day one, the Lazar-Makovich is arguably our best football player. Shander! Quite clearly, you saw his potential inside and based on what we've just seen over the last couple of games, and you know what, I'd be backing off from the start. So, we're there to shut up with him, and what I think is most amazing about his versatility that he's now a left-wing back, and he's shown how good he is in the left-wing back position as well. So, he's not a shot at it? Or a frat? Or a shot? Or the worst player you've ever seen. I never said he was the worst player I've ever seen. I said he reminded me a lot of downing him to the worst player I've ever seen. Of course, he's the worst player I've ever seen. But I will. You said he's worse than downing. I said at times, but what I did say was that what I wanted to see from him was that spark, that little bit of magic that you would make you think to yourself, yet this guy has something about him. And thankfully, we've seen over the last couple of games, and even I said it last week, I'm starting to see it now, which is brilliant for him. I think Steve will make the point last week. He looks like a fan of now who's just a sort of fucker like, "I can't do any worse than I've done in whatever performances that have gone before me, and it's time now that I'm going to stand open shoulder and I'm going to be counted." And it's great to see. The one thing that I really liked about Markovitch against Arsenal was he was everywhere. He wasn't just left wing back, and he had confidence in the fact that Sacco was behind him. This is also something that, you know, I know we're touching it when we talk with the defense, but he's got confidence that Sacco is going to cover the areas that he needs to cover when he bumps forward and he's not going to be exposed. And he did. And that was brilliant to see because, you know, we've been crying out for intelligent centre backs, which we haven't had all seasons. So thankfully, you know, he's starting to come on. It's not his best position. So all we can say is that, you know, he was, he could be at times a bit wasteful in possession, you know, but that's what you want. He's a creative player. You want creative players to try things, and he was trying things. And all we all, any fan wants is to see a guy with confidence trying stuff. It's like, I've seen people mowing about Coutinho, you know, playing passes that way and coming off in the whole lot, but he had the right idea. You can see what he's trying to execute on the pitch. And if you can see what a player's trying to execute on the pitch, you can accept a lot of things that don't happen because that's what Suarez did for most of his time at Liverpool. The thing was that, eventually, more things come off than don't come off. And that's where we are at this moment in time, we suddenly have an attack and threat that we didn't have. Exactly. Like, Hammers have played that role completely. And your Mike Paul's is quite a fan. That is, that is, I think it's a big song. Big deal, I think. It's crucial. For the stand up. Now I think it's, I think it's, it's, he played the role yesterday, a lot better than Henderson played that role. Like, as you were saying, it built Suarez, used to trade things. Suarez would lose the ball a lot. Mark Vich lost the ball a lot, but the idea was perfect. He played the role perfectly and he just kept probing and probing and eventually things are going to come off of him. And once he gets confidence, players are going to start being afraid of him as well. And we'll have to stand off him. Phil introduced Coutinho there and let's talk about Adam Milan as well. Let's look at the two guys as a kind of a duo in terms of people who were charged with being creative and sort of in size to force. How did you feel that those two guys were? Yeah, I thought Coutinho was absolutely smashing in the forest half. I'd give him a man of the match based on that forest half alone. He kind of, yeah, he kind of was pushing it a bit in the second half and came, it wasn't in the game as much, but I thought the line was quite good in the second half. So it was good that they complimented each other, they won't play quite well and that came up in the second half. And really, really impressed with how the line has come along and it's close control. Like, it's just unbelievable. He's out to move the ball in a way that surely can't really guess because you can kind of do that little crout on with either foot. He all seems to do it as a matter of principle. He doesn't seem to ever receive the ball without doing that. It gives him a kind of minute, like if that's his kind of way, staring at him, we try a little step over as a couple of rolls, that's his little way and he gets his head up and he plays with his head up just like Coutinho, I was really, really impressed with Coutinho yesterday, like Enforce have, especially how every single time he got the ball, he was just so positive and it was just pure Coutinho yesterday and his goal, the way he took his goals class. Yeah, Paul, your own take on Phil Coutinho in terms of a contribution and going forward, does he look like he's playing his way into a season because a lot of people are saying he'd been a bit of a shadow of himself up to now. I think so, yeah. I don't think you can argue with the improvement that the front three have given us in the last few games because it's been completely different to the kind of stodgy crap we've watched all season. The only thing is, obviously this will come with games, I just thought sometimes the likes of Coutinho and Sterling tried to force it just a bit earlier than they needed to, because I talked for the whole match basically, we had Arsenal's defensive midfield areas and their defense, we had them on the edge basically every time we went forward and I just thought a lot of the time we kind of tried to force it, but there's no doubt that as they gel, the three of them can do serious damage to their teams. Yeah, yeah. But Dave, Paul's touched on something there and it kind of leads us into the next area I wanted to look at and he's talking about how we basically are something where we wanted them quite a bit of the match. That's a poor Arsenal side, isn't it? I mean, there is bad a side in many ways as you can remember. How much of that was us being good and how much of that was done being quite inept in certain areas of the pitch? Well, I mean, the thing you can say about Arsenal is they always play the same way, right? So you can talk about them being a poor version of Arsenal, but they still qualified for the last 16 in the Champions League, they're probably still going to finish fourth. They still have a team full of internationals, full of quality players, but how much of them play in yesterday the way they played was down to the way we played. I think sometimes this is temptation when we put in a good performance and we did it against United, you know, we were talking about how well we attacked against United and someone said, well, that's a very poor United defence. So look, there's two sides to every game, there's always how the opposition plays and how you play. So you can only talk about how do we play and what impact did that have on them? So I thought Arsenal weren't great, but they're in good form. I mean, they're just coming off the back of 2-4-1 victories, you know, they've played well in the last few games and we talked about it in the last part about how they just going into that, you know, winter, a bit of form that they usually go into where they kick on and kind of get five or six victories on the trot. You know, Arsenal are 35, 37% possession, you know, it's the lowest recorded possession Arsenal have had since they began recording possession, you know, in the Premier League. You know, we had 27 attempts on goal against Arsenal. So you could talk about Arsenal being a poor side and look, it's a poor league, you know, that's the reality of it. I mean, you know, Chelsea and City aside, everyone else is atrocious or varying degrees of atrocious and Arsenal are a degree of atrocious, same as we are. But if you take the goals out of it, if you take the goals that we conceded out of it, we made that Arsenal team who were in the last 16 of the Champions League look very, very ordinary. We made them look very ordinary. And the reality is I think if Daniel started to play yesterday, we win that game quite comfortably. Is that what was missing right yesterday? The person who just is a bit more ruthless to finish off the movement that looks quite good and fairness. Yeah, yeah, it is that simple because we absolutely dominated them. They couldn't get near us. One stage and one stage, I think that's what I was about, it was 87%, 87% possession we had on one stage. They couldn't get near us. It was us, it was all us. I think that's the same Arsenal team. They even the commentators may have mentioned to what their anger doesn't change. It's just them even drawing games when things aren't going wrong. And they just couldn't get near us. We just had all the ball, but it just, they couldn't edge us, I mean, you know, it ended up that Raheem, because he was pushed so far, it ended up giving away a star and role to continue in Atlanta. And that's a new role for this goal. So I'm willing to say that can walk, that can walk, you know. It's just a matter of time maybe, but Jesus, he couldn't help but be optimistic looking at that, you know. Phil, would you echo Raheem's optimism there about that role for Sterling going forward? And how did you feel he cope with it yesterday? He was comparatively quite compared to some of our players. Yeah, I think when you think of staring at it, and you think back to the bottom of the game and you think of the impact he had on the game, the goal of this court and the whole lot, that wasn't there yesterday. But at the same time, it's a bit like the Markovitch, it's a bit like the Atlanta, it's a bit like you know, they're constantly probing all the time, looking for chinks in the defense and the fact that they're so well, well, teams just can't defend against them, you know. And you see it yesterday, we created 27 chances as Dave said, we created 27 chances. And again, we didn't score enough. And that's the difference between, as you said, Raheem, you know, storage goal score there, because you know, you score more than two chances if you create 27 when he's in the team. I don't know when we had Suarez, we scored more, but what Sterling is bringing, he's bringing that just, that, that vibrancy again and the attack that we have, that we basically haven't had for 15 games of this season, you know, with the exception of the sports match. So it's 14 games, and maybe those, maybe it was noon, but you know, again, you just look at it and you say, you know, there's a kid, we go back to the idea, Markovitch is a kid, Catina is a kid, Sterling is a kid, they're all young players, even, like, Lelana isn't experienced at the premiership level, you know, this is only really his second season in the premiership. And they're the ones that are providing the impetus, they're the ones who are providing the, the, the quote and verve and the attack that we, what, that we've, we've called out for, for, for Munson to give Andy credit, he's been calling for that front line at that front tree, from the, from the start of October, and I, and you know, players, yeah, and, well, Andy, Andy is the one who, who, who loves to turn around and say, well, what do we know? Sure, I'm not a manager of football team. No, like, if, if, if the normal fan on the street can see that movement and mobility in your attack is what made you so good last year, what's very frustrating is the fact that it's taken us so long to try that. And the fact that we've tried it now is something more back to a position where our attack looks threatened. You know, that's, that's a frustration that, that's been eating in the fan base for a long, long time. You know, hopefully, hopefully, we continue on, and maybe he's learned his lessons that look, putting static fellows up front, and I know we get onto it in a while, but, you know, putting static fellows up front or statues up front, it makes, it doesn't make for a good football unless you're going to ping them high, like Sam Allardoy's will. Yeah. Well, Andy, I'm going to come out here, I know you want to react to what Phil's saying. When you're done with that, will you talk to me just to finish out our chat about the attack? Talk to me about the impact I like with the, uh, uh, uh, Ricky had only come on. All right. But anyway, just, just for the formation and that for a minute, like, oh, you can't know for a 4-2-3. I think like that's where we eventually end up. This is just a kind of a, a staff gap. Like this is like what Rogers has stumbled, um, as he has so many times, he's stumbled across this and, and it's working for now. I think as, as a, as a goals and players come back in different things, like when storage is back, especially we might find them out of a 4-3-3, but, um, just like Rogers was trying to plot through this season. He was very, like, he looked like going into the Champions League. He wasn't sure of himself, wasn't confident on the years, only learning. He's only young and all that. So you have to kind of give him a little bit of leeway there, but it's just a bit late now. He's finally got the balls out, you know, and said, fuck it like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's, it's just if he had it on that throughout the Champions League campaign, we would 100% be qualified. Absolutely. 100%. But instead he tried to plot along and try and play things safe. That's not the type of manager he was, and that's not the type of manager he came in and promised all these things was. And that isn't what made us so good last year, it was the fact that we were mad in terms of attacking. It was, it was pure attack attack attack and even going back yesterday, we're on the attack from minute one. Yeah. But for the first 15 games of the season, we sat back at first. There was a little spell after 20 minutes when Harrison came in for a minute and we just killed him off again and just kept going. But like, my whole point about this, this formation as well was like, okay, you've got me a favor up top and you hear a lot of people saying, we need a stroke, we need a stroke, you hear that a lot in the crowd yesterday. Yes, of course we do. But at the moment, the stroke as we have very good enough and you play the entry boys across the front and the looks of Markovic from deep, you're going to just create loads of chances. You might scar every chance but the more chances, the better chances for me, you know, really easy ones are going to come along. And not even else on the end of them Lucas to the bars in the back of the net. So these kind of things will come like with all the chances. So until storage is back, I think it's just perfect. But I think just on the formation thing before we go on to the epic contribution of Ricky Lambert, which I'm sure is going to take quite a bit of time. To be fair, there's a couple of things which I think has as influenced Roger's trial and error. I mean, I think we've all talked about the fluidists. But he has kind of always had for certainly the first part of Surridge's injury. He's had the kind of, there'll be hate tomorrow idea, which is that Surridge will be back soon. You know, perhaps the best thing to do is not to deviate too much, not to try anything too mad. And then of course he got hammered for the fact that we are so poor defensively. So I think he went right. We've got to dig in, which, you know, I said it when I was on the part last week, I hated doing against Leicester. It was so against everything that we are as a football club. So I'm delighted that he's, you know, he's kind of stumbled into it if we say that. But what I would say is that it does, he's stubborn about certain things, but he is willing to try things. And I think that that is something that, you know, when people talk about a change in manager and things like that, we have to sometimes, we are quick sometimes to gloss over the things that are good about Rogers and just focus on the things that are bad about Rogers. And I think Rogers isn't afraid to make bold decisions. There's certain bold decisions we all as fans wish he'd make. But you know, on the whole, if you compare him to Arsene Wenger, Arsene Wenger plays the same system, the same game, every game, regardless of the score, regardless of where, you know, if he's three no down and half time, he sends the same players out in the same formation. At least Rogers does try different things. So it might be a bit late, and it probably is a bit late for him to stumble on something which is more reminiscent of what we did last season, but I do have some sympathy with him going. He's expecting the stories to come back. Plus, my last point on this, everyone remembers how good Ballotale and Sturridge were the first game that they played together. So I imagine that he's going, "Well, if I'm going to play that two up front, there's a different way I have to play that if I'm playing Sterling Coutinho and Alana." Yeah. Fair. So do you want to minute? Well, in terms of what Dave is saying, when you go back to it, it's not so much that he isn't trying players. It's that he's tried the players in the same formation over and over and over, eventually getting back to the tree at the back now. It's not like he suddenly stumbled on the tree at the back, because for a large portion of the fourth half of last season, he played the tree at the back. So when he comes out in the press and he's saying, "Oh, I'm going to the tree at the back and if I was a forum manager, I'd be praised for this and the whole lot." Well, he tried it last year and it worked to a certain extent as it did. I remember going, we went to Stoke and at least the Selco scores ago, we were playing the tree at the back. We went to Sunderland, we played the tree at the back. This isn't the fourth time he's tried the back. In fact, he's given press conferences to blog sites in his fourth season where he said trade at the back was his preferred formation. The main point that Andy makes is that he stumbled on it. The same way he stumbled on the diamond. The same way he stumbled back onto the tree at the back again. More true, being pressed into feeling that he has to play certain players and he can't rely on the center forwards anymore. That says more. It's going back to the idea. Is the glass half empty? Is the glass half full? I know we're going to talk about it later on in terms of the manager and the whole lot. The frustration I have personally is that he has to stumble on something instead of proactively saying, "Okay, well, this hasn't worked for 14 games, so I'm going to do this now and I'm going to do something radically different and I'm not going to set up the same." As I said, if Andy can come out and say, "I want to get mobility and get movement into the front men and that's what I want to see up front," surely that's crossed his mind before we've gotten to December and we're up against the wall at that stage. I think where he stumbled on it is at the end of the game against Basil, isn't it? He's gone into the annoyed game thinking, "I'm going to have to do something here." It does seem that's where he does stumble across these things. But anyway, Lam back to coming on. What can you say? I've always seen him warming up and I was thinking, "He seriously isn't thinking of bringing him on." Once he'd be shot on and all that, I was thinking, "Fuck, he actually is." But then, there is a few people in the crowd going, "Bring him, bring Ricky on and bring a shirt." I'm thinking, "Jesus Christ, just keep dealing with it, just get another body forward and maybe take it at the fender, but just don't bring on Lambert." But look, in the end, it got us true, you know what I mean? We got the equalizer. Do you reckon there's not any direct correlation between his appearance and the patient? No, no. I mean, that's what my story is. Unless psychologically the arson, the fans will see an extra body up top and it just gives them an extra thing to think about and they might give us a little bit of space. If you're being generous, you might say that Lambert takes a marker at the corner with Skirtle scores from. So, if you're being generous, you say, "They've got a mark, Lambert now, so they let Skirtle free." But I mean, that's- I mean, I'm very generous. That's being very generous because two Arsenal players are standing at the back post and they're both pointing at Skirtle. Yeah. And neither of them go to Skirtle. So, like, you know, it's not like that they- Yeah. Okay. Well, we've mentioned Skirtle there. And speaking about reaching and dodgy connections, let's use that as a segue into talking about Martin Skirtle as on this defensive contribution, Paul, would you get the ball roll and talking to us about the incredible, stable-headed contribution of our center half? Talk to me about- I've heard very, very conflicting reports from people whose opinion I'd respect. I know what I thought about him. How do you feel about his contribution overall? Oh, just- it's just pure Martin Skirtle, really. Like, it's- you know, we looked, in general, play most of the game, we looked completely solid at the back. It's just these little moments, these little decisions that he has to make, I won't let him down all the time. And I think it's because- because he's not kicking the ball into his own neck, like, torrey did, or passing it straight to an each-a-be, I think that's why Roger's kind of glosses over or just says, "Oh, well, that's something that, like, you know, could have gone a bit better, and we'll get it right next week or something." But, like, for that goal, like, Debushi beating him, and I've seen people- I've seen people trying to say that Debushi had his hands on his shoulders and felled him or whatever. But Skirtle takes a step towards the ball as it's being knocked on. That's why it completely kills him, and then he doesn't- he doesn't put his whole body on the line to get himself up and make it difficult for Debushi, and, like, so, Debushi gets there. And the second goal as well, like, he just has no idea where, like, where he is, really. Like, he's- he's- he's- no idea where he was. He doesn't know- it's like, like, cuz, obviously, Colo goes to engage the ball, and he probably could have done that a bit quicker. But we've got- we've got three centre backs and- Mark and two players. Yeah, like, yeah, like, it's Colo goes out to engage the ball, but Skirtle got so far with him. Like, he doesn't need to do that at all, like, we have three centre backs. Just hold your position, like, if- if- if cuz all it kind of roasts Torre, then- then go and engage him. But, like, and, like, people are saying, "Saco should be Mark and Jarell when he scores." But Jarell is- he's, you know, to the- he's further to the right of Jones' right hand post. You know what I mean? So, like, and Skirtle's even further over than him. Yeah. I just don't- I just don't get his, kind of, Torre process on it a lot. Before we get into the goal, I mean, Sam, as David talked about before, the problem you have with Skirtle is that, as he said, he does so many small things wrong, that the- the bigger impact is on the actual game. It's not- it's not a- it's not that he does a glaring terrible error unless it's an ongoing. But the fact that all those small things add up in the course of the game and ultimately give away one or two chances, and when we have as bad a goalkeeper as we have in Brad Jones in the goal, inevitably one of those chances going in the actual back of the net. So, you put all those factors together and you're- you're- you're- you're- you're- you're basically starting a game a goal down, and as we can see from his clean sheet record. It's not good. It's- it's- it's a very poor record for a center half to be at the club for that length of time. And no matter who's beside with the exception of Agar, he doesn't have a good clean sheet record. And that's- that's just where it's ending up, but again, he's pointed out as our starring center back at this stage with Roger so, you know, we're- we're- we're- we're going to have to live with him. So, I think the three of the back in a way suits him because he can sit deepest of all the defenders. He sits central. He sits deepest. So, he's not- he's not dragging the defense back, and then you hope that the other two boys pick up from- from what he- from where- where he's leaving off. Dave? Yeah. Skirtle, believe it or not, reminds me a little bit of company at City, right? Not in terms of talent, but in that he is a highlights defender, right? Which is the Martin Skirtle looks great coming across the pitch, making a slide in tackle, you know, takes a player or takes the wins the ball, goes out for touch. He's great at scoring goals, he's great at the big header, he's great at the, you know, the last ditch tackle. But what- if you actually watch his game, positionally, he's all over the place. And considering he's the senior member of that defense, you know, he shouldn't require so much guidance through the game, and he requires a lot of guidance through the game. And he's the one that should be, you know, walking sack or through it, and helping lover and through it, and actually he's a very quiet as a defender. And he makes these marginal poor- poor decisions, and there's a lot of poor decisions in the two goals yesterday. And actually, the two goals, for me, are not as much Skirtle's fault as they are in other players' fault, which, you know, I think we'll come on to talk about- come on to talk about the goals. But for me, on the first goal, the question is not why doesn't Skirtle beat Debushi? That's one question, as is why doesn't Brad Jones save it. But the big question for me is, how does 5'6" Matthew Flemany win an uncontested header in our 18 yard box? I mean, for- you know, the rest of it, you can understand Murtisack- Murtisack will win in the first header, right? Because he's 7'0. You can understand Debushi out jump in Skirtle, he shouldn't, but you can understand that. But someone needs to explain to me how a 5'6 defensive midfield player wins an uncontested header in our 18 yard box a minute before half-time. And for me, Flemany is Jared's man on the first goal. And I think on the second goal, you know, if you watch it back, I think Drew is Jared's man. So I think it's a bit of a- it's make a Skirtle look bad and it's easy to jump on Skirtle, but I actually think there was a lot of things wrong in both those goals. My final point, I would say we defended well yesterday, as a game Arsenal has three chances on target, right? So to restrict the team with Wellbeck, Drew and Sanchez up front in the midfield that they've got the three chances, as a team, we defended really well. And I can understand why Rogers is coming out afterwards and saying, that's not organization, it's not organization, to say, you know, you can't let Debushi beat you in the air. That's not an organizational piece. That's an individual decision issue. Where he's been left out. Yeah, exactly. Ray, talk to me a little bit about, we've sort of moved into analysis of the goals, what are you liking or not? So talk to me a little bit about performance of the keeper on those goals. Bad Jones. Very good headline, right? Listen, I can't take it a fella at all, no fate, no confidence, no nothing in a me. He makes me shit myself, anti-toy him, there's Anton comes near him, he's nothing gone for him. That's massively impressive, isn't it? He got just fucked out of the league of Orlando and for being brutal. And he's playing in the fucking Liverpool football club, lad, seriously, he's fucking terrible. Talk to me in the first goal, should you have got that? Listen, I'm at the hearing, yeah, it was a piss-poor-doy for now, I'm putting all the blame on scale, I'm having that darkness and I'm really not having that at all. Yes, he could have done better, but... Well, okay, so if you're letting them off, what about the second goal? I don't think he got hit out of Minnesota, almost in Minnesota, six-year-old, he was just doing what he got in his way. So does that not make your critique a bit harsh? No, he's listening. Because Arsenal don't fuck up on the game, they do shots and he's got a ballroom. So it had the goal being peppered and he was pulling off saves, then the critique would be harsh. He's an absolute shit goal, okay, but I have no fight in this goal. There's an argument as well that, you know, for the first goal, he could have came out and cleaned out both Skirtland and Bouchy, because the ball was a big kind of loopy ball. And we saw, like, we saw Chezney a couple of hours, so, Chezney, Chezney, we saw him a few times, kind of like, you know, when we started lumping a few balls in, I think he took two of them, like, two balls and they were, like, he was really, he came off his line. He noticed what was going to happen. He came off his line kind of really aggressively and just, he nifted in the Buds straight away. But there's none of that from Jones at all. Yeah. Yeah. And don't get me started on his kicking. Has he's worse than me? You liked it? The only thing I'd say about Jones is that, and I'm not saying that, you know, he deserves the number one jersey at this stage because he doesn't, to be honest, like, I said a three weeks ago when Roger said that that many day was being dropped, you know, there's no way that he should have been dropped. Despite how bad many day has been, he's still a better goalkeeper than Brad Jones. The one thing that in Jones's favor is his distribution is a lot quicker. It's more, he has an idea of where he's put the balls on. The ball comes back to him. He knows where his next pass is gone. And that's what makes Brad Jones, and I'd say in the morning of Brendan Rodgers, that's what makes Brad Jones a better bet at this stage because you look at the amount of times the center backs were able to play it back to Jones yesterday, and Jones was then able to go and find the next pass, and there wasn't, there wasn't ever a thing. Yeah. That's sort of what's going to happen next. You know, he made some bad choices when he played passes, and to the credit, it looks a sack on Torrey. They got him out of some bad passing, but at least he knew where he was going to put the ball next, with a million eight, a million eight doesn't know where he's going to put the ball next. The ball comes back to him. He takes a touch, he looks around, and then he plays the ball, and what happens at that point is we're going back to the idea of teams pressing us in the whole lot. That's exactly what they do. It gives them the half a second to push up that little before, and it cuts the options out. There was a bit of touching me, and I built him, and he kind of lets the ball roll too far back towards his goal line before he actually comes up forward. You know? But that's the top of the four. I'm talking about he has an idea when the ball is coming back to the playing short passes, he knows where it's going to next. It puts them on the pressure when he takes an extra touch, like he could, he can do that ball first time, but he kind of takes a touch towards goal, and next thing, Torrey, or whoever goes charging in, like, and in that sense, it's just me and I all over, like, you're shitin' yourself, but it's the distribution of the agree with you, and certain parts, like, when he gets to patrol the ball in top class, like, we haven't seen that since rain, obviously. That's what I said to Trevor Enrod. I said, when he's showing the ball over, it's like somebody's invented a move that we haven't seen so long. Yeah. He sure, he drew the ball in the play. 60 yards. He went in the play, but it was a fantastic effort. When he got near the goal of the play, he brought it down about 20 yards from the corner of the far end of the pitch, now, like, if you were trying that a little bit throughout the game, with the pace they're yelling at, and the pace a couple of the earth players have, like, Mac. That's what Rainey used to do so many times, and I don't have to say, oh, we should have kept Rainey in the hole up, but what Rainey was brilliant at his peak was being able to spot that quickly, deliver such a quick show that, you know, it got them away, it got, already you're 40, 40 yards up the pitch, or 50 yards up the pitch, it's at the bottom of the player's feet on the run, and he takes it on, there was a great one in the fourth half where he drew it, there must have been about 54 yards to the left-hand side. I think Catinio got on, and they were able to cut inside, and he got a shot away in the end. And you just said to yourself, you know, for all his badness, and there's a lot of it, because he's just not good enough as a goalkeeper, and I'm not excusing the corners. You can, in my mind, I could understand the tower process that's behind it. I don't agree with it, because, going back to Dave's point earlier on, I still think he saves the, I think many of the saves the foreshots, the foreshots are ridiculous. He's too scared to dive into the post, that did my head in, he doesn't even look like a goalkeeper. No, he reminded me of, like, you know, to have a little go and go and recap, have a little go. If you have a little go and go, that's what you do, you come across the goal, like flapping your arms and hopping at the bar, like she's just hit you, he's now, he's now rated a situation or like that, and I actually can be a little bit easy and scared with that, because the player behind, I can see everything has a huge advantage. Like for our scaret, look, scaret, should win it, it should make a better effort to head up, but you can be kind of, you know, you can be kind on them, Brad Johnson see it all happen. We can see that Devushi has a great chance of getting up over a scaret, and you can come out and clean it. One bigger issue with the goals, where I'm Dave, with the second one, it's a good defensive midfielder, prevents that chance from happening, because when they break, you know, it's a stupid 84 yard hopeless pass to nobody that comes from the captain at that point, right? They break down, it's taking them 15 seconds to get across the pitch, and he still gets across the pitch, but isn't in an effective area when it comes to breaking up an attack. And as the bar gets pulled back, he's still just wandering around, he hasn't taken any responsibility on in terms of defensively what he's going to do, and it's just, you know, as bad as Skirtle is, when you look back at the actual goal, you end up questioning yourself, like, okay, what, exactly, you know, Skirtle shouldn't be passing Giroux onto Sacco, because Sacco has well back outside and on the left hand side, so now what Skirtle has done is he's left Sacco with two players, so which one is he going to mark? If he goes to Giroux, you know, all he has to do is pull the ball back to well back. Somebody has to, Giroux? No, no, there's nothing to do. No, but in that instance, if it was me, I'd just take the nearest man, and I'm going to go to it, right? But it shouldn't happen. Skirtle shouldn't be passing him on at that point, he should be chasing him, and if he does pass him on to go block down the cross, then your midfielder should be coming in and taking the player that's inside him. Instead Giroux is holding around the edge, the 18er backs, again, not aware, it's not Giroux's fault, he's just not a tactically aware footballer, right? But he shouldn't be in the centre midfield and that type of midfield, because you need to tactically aware midfielders in that position, and that's why, I know that the next bit we're talking about, in terms of Henderson and Lucas, right, Lucas is being tactically aware and has looked well in that formation because he is tactically aware. Henderson has been left outside on the way inside, and were marginalised a player who could actually be in the midfield with Lucas or with Alan or with Chan? Can I just say, what's work mentioned in where we're talking about that Forrest Gull, Flamingi shouldn't need me on the pitch that stage, the referee in the linesman has had a shocker. The linesman's standing right in front that are happening, and you can see he's consulting the linesman for a couple of, you know, about 20 seconds, talking about the instant. All the linesman had to deal with say. You can argue, Meredith Sacker was looking to be on the pitch because when he left Coutinho, Coutinho was actually going to get him walking. Oh no, that's what I'm saying, that's only because it happens 90 seconds in the game. If that's 61 minutes, it's a different decision altogether. I agree, you know, I agree for Flamingi, he shouldn't have been on the pitch, but he was, and Giroux is still going to be picking him up, like, you know, and when I thought Giroux, I mean, you know, I thought he was terrible, I thought he was terrible against your knighted, and maybe I'm overly critical of him because I thought he was so poor against your knighted, then now I'm looking for it. But the thing that I keep coming back to is people keep talking about Giroux being 34, and what I feel like is we're getting all the bad side of Giroux being 34, which is, you know, his legs, his lack of mobility, counter in front of third, any more tactical in discipline. Why aren't we getting any of the good bits of him being 34, which is that he sees the player developing around him, and he's able to direct and instruct the defense behind him and the attack in front of him to make better decisions? Have we not seen little cameos when he's been using, perhaps, what people are considering the correct way, as in towards the end of games, which are going away from him? Impact still, basically. Maybe. I don't think he's strong tactically, you know, generally. I think he's a very introspective player, which is that Giroux thinks a lot during the game about what he's doing. Well, then the age thing is relevant, doesn't it? But what you find sometimes with players is, as they get older, they develop a better understanding of the game, and they're able to, you know, character is a good example of someone who, as his legs went and as he became poorer as a defender, he was at least able to walk. He's always been able to walk full back through the game and, you know, play a particular way or whatever. Just feel like we're missing that from Giroux right now, and that would be my biggest criticism of him, as opposed to any physical or athletic downside. I just feel like he should be spotting the second goal and making better decisions and helping the younger players around him more. Yeah. Maybe he's thinking a bit more about the players around him in his own game, because I know there's some telling people to do what, you know, what to do when he's in the wrong positions himself, and he's switching off, like, you know, waving over on the players to get back here, get back there, and actual fact, he's not, he's not doing the job himself. I mean, I'm not seeing it, I think we should be seeing more from him. I don't think you should be playing by having over. Right. One of the consequences of Gerard being an automatic choice there in that part of the pitch is that Henderson has been shunted over to the right-hand side in that right-wing back role. And I think there are a lot of us who feel that his impact is massively lessened. Would you be one of those or do you feel? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. He's totally square pegs, round holes, definitely. But he's sort of that good of a player, a Paul Warhorse type of that can go back a few years there. He's, yeah. But he can do that. He means good. He's engine. Yeah. Warhorse. I think he makes them up with that. Yeah. He's lucky. I think he'd do a role for you anyway, in goal even, and as an ace. But it's too full, isn't it? Not only are you losing his impact in the middle, but you're, he's, as you say, he's out of, out of sorts. But this is going to happen. I think Trevor says, we're finding a feat and we're grasping to just get results and get a bit of momentum going, that he's had to change the formation. We want to look at it. He's being pushed out of position. You have two full backs that we bought and there's somewhere that are totally held position because they're sitting on the fucking bench. If you know what I mean? Yeah. So this is part and parcel of it. He's playing Trey at the back now and other people are going to get shifted, shunted until we eventually get some type of runner farm going. At the minute, as much as I, it wouldn't be my particular formation, but it's, it's working. So you can't knock it. It's, it's, it's definitely progressing on where we were, you know? Paul? Yeah, I think obviously the front three, that's the big kind of key that, that it's, it's been the front three and the way Mark is, Mark of it supports them. That has been so good recently. Well, I think there is, there's still a few really kind of, real kind of flaws with the formation and personal, I think. First of all is that, do we need to go three at the back to kind of unlock those, you know, the front four of, well, I say phone forward include Mark of Virginia, of Sterling, Coutinho, Atlanta and Mark of which do we need to play three at the back because one of them is going to be Scarlett Loveren. So that, like, that's a big problem for me. The second problem is that he still sees Gerard as, you know, every game, 90 minutes, like it doesn't change him, doesn't, it didn't switch around in the midfield at all, even though I felt Gerard struggled all game. And the third one is what we just talked about Henderson. It's still, he is just kind of lumped over at right wing back. And if you're playing wing backs, like it's a big, kind of, it's a big kind of portion of your general play. And I think, I think it is sort of just Henderson is lumped out there, like he, he doesn't look comfortable at all. Well, finish yourself on this, this, this look back on the match with a little bit of a comment on your hairstyle hero, Mamadu Sako. How do you feel he coped in as a member of that back three and would you, would you want to see him going forward as, as a key member there? Yeah, definitely. I play him every game with, like, I, I think he's brilliant. And like, like, we, we have kind of analyzed that second goal. And maybe he could have just saw it, saw it, like he could have seen Gerald and just gone through him as the ball was coming towards him. Maybe I still think there's, there was like a lot that went wrong before you start looking at Sako. But I think he had a really good game. He looked really solid there. Positionally, he's like 20 times ahead of love, and you're like, we see, we've seen that ball down the channel so many times put love and in trouble when he's playing left center back. Even when he's on the side of the, of a tree instead of a two, I just thought Sako, like, in general play was brilliant. Yeah. Brilliant. Okay, well, let's sort of have a look forward, I suppose, at this stage at the games we have come on up. How do we feel? Every time we do this recently, it's, it's really, it's, it's kind of stressful at this stage. Every time we look forward, we're picturing what we'd like and we've come away without what we'd like, um, Phil, as a bundle of games, I think. Bundle of games. Yeah. How, how are you feeling about this bundle of games, Phil? I would say the next three anyway. Well, look, I'm, I'm, I'm just looking ahead to Christmas Eve at this stage and hope we make it there. Okay. Yeah. It's, um, the next three games are so important. I think the next five games are so important. It's not just even three games. If we're getting the, the FA Cup match, we need to get 15 points on the board. We need to put five wins on the spin if we have any, any desire to make top forward this season. Um, we're bornly, you know, it goes, we just need to win the game. Start what we've been saying for a while. Just win the game. We're coming off, we're coming off the back of the last, you know, a draw on Arsenal at home. It's time we just, we just beat only then let's beat Leicester and let's beat Swansea. Let's beat whoever, you know, whoever's in front of us. If you look at the run of games with the exception of Swansea away, which, which possibly looks the most difficult of the fixtures, we have to be looking at those games saying we can win what's ahead of us at this stage. The next most difficult game is West Ham, which is the end of January. Yeah. In real terms. So taking a bundle of games, you can take every fucking game to January and just go, let's win them all. Because we have, if we want any hope of making top four, which, you know, looking at what we're saying coming off the back of two tough games, that's what we want. So I don't care who we put out there, as long as they win in result terms, of course I care who we put out there, I generally just have to win the matches. We just have to win the matches now at this stage. How doable, how winnable Dave Thomas is that bundle of fixtures? Well, you'd have to say based on our form so far, the season, they're not, because we haven't won more than two games in a row at all since April. I'm told to me about the recent apparent upturn. Yeah, I mean, I'm confident, but I'm always confident. But I mean, Phil and I were talking in the pub earlier, and you could argue that that more than Arsenal are kind of ideal teams for us to play a little bit, they like to pass, you know, so, I mean, you know, we go now and play Burnley, who ironically should be more our cup of tea, because they like to play the ball, you know, pretty nicely as well. But then you start going into maybe some of the teams where they're going to get at us a little bit and press us a little bit and put us in there a bit more pressure. And then we're really going to see where the market, which are left wing back is a good idea, then we're really going to see whether, you know, Gerard and Lucas can cope with a more physical presence. But I said it on the part last week, every single game that we play for the next 10 games, because of the season so far as a must-win game, and you're looking at these six games and you're saying, I mean, you know, I think if we won five of them, the table would look a lot different. Yeah. I think if we won five games out of the next six and say you got a draw in the other one, I think we'd be in fifth or sixth and we'd actually feel, obviously we'd feel pretty good about where we were, Surridge would be back, hopefully we'd done some business in January. You know, that's what we've got to be looking at. Starting with Burnley, like their bottom, or second bottom, whatever they are, third bottom in the table, like we've got to beat them. You know, there's no excuse. We've got to beat them. Simple as that. Ray, how did we keep chatting about fourth place and Champions League and potential? Where's your realism levels telling you that the likelihood of that is given on the season so far and what you've seen up late? The last few games have given me renewed optimism. Okay. I asked me that last week. But before, let's say, the barmat, you know, it's literally the last three games. I've had a small bit of optimism open until then being totally pessimistic, as I could see now, look, at the end of the tunnel, you know, we were blaming individual players and it was just a stodginess and a horrible, insipid play and everything, the crowd. Everyone knew, everyone knew how bad we were, you know, and there's renewed optimism there because we dominated Arsenal and went to parity against, you know, Edoita, you know, and once again, we got ripped to sort of not taking chances and stuff, so I don't know. I'm slightly hopeful maybe that we could just hang out at the co-tales and maybe when storage is back, we could. I hope so. I hope so. On the level of want to hope for, I hope, Bob, Bob Hope, that's right. Paul, what about you on that exact question? Champion's saying football, are you looking forward to it? Is it a reality for us next year? Talk to me a bit. Well, we do have this. This is kind of a define and like batch of games. A bungee. A bungee. A bungee. A bungee. A bungee. Are we going to batch of bungee? We're going to batch of bungee. Okay. Yeah. Right. So I think it is a define and period of games where we don't like brand and period of games. Nice. Yeah. Outstand now. Let's go. Right. Well, obviously it's like it is a group of games that we would like try and do. Can we try that again? Take this. Take this. Run around here. Send it to Merritt's bill. We're sneaking up points here. Obviously, we want to get something a little close then at least close to maximum points out of them. I don't. I don't. What though? They're bungee of the end. I'm curious. We have to get something close to max. I don't think we're going to get maximum points out, but I can't see it just the way we've played this season. Yeah. There's just so many errors in us at the moment, but if we can get something somewhere close to maximum, then we can kind of, as I said, like hang on to the coattails and maybe keep ourselves in the conversation. But it is. It's defining. If we don't take a lot of points out of this, then like we are completely out of it. Andy, hang on to the coattails. Keep ourselves in the conversation. He's Paul Brennan turning into Brennan Rogers. You asked me a question from Paul Brennan. Is he slowly morphing into Brennan Rogers? Look at all those glaciers. It's a beautiful thing to watch. I'm just going to imagine he's turning into a shark. As we know, he's an important part of the group. Sean Connery. I'm standing. They killed my dog. Yeah. Yeah. Sean, do you think it's happening again? Yeah. It's happening. It's happening again. It's happening again. It's happening again. Yeah. Sean, do you think it's happening again? Yeah. Sure. I think it's happening again. It's happening again. It is, because it's not good enough. Oh, cool. Obviously, it didn't look like any fucking help. But now all of a sudden, we're starting to look like Liverpool again. And I wouldn't rule it out. There's an opportunity still there. Look, there's a lot of fucking shit teams in this league. So it's all about who starts putting some games together. And like under Rogers, we'd have better back end of the season anyway. So the next three games, I look every period group fucking personal. Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. That's good. That's not good. They're always going to be a part. And Christmas, big for all the games, it's going to be difficult. But there are three very, very winnable games. Born your way, bottom tree, Swansea home, and then Leicester home. Mm. I don't know why I'm worried about the Leicester one I knew yesterday. But I think that's, that's knowing points, very, very possible. Andy, were you actually a lead singer in an 80s band? [LAUGHTER] Come back to the show, man, there's-- [LAUGHTER] He's got it. He's got a really Freddie Mercury microphone. He's got a really Freddie Mercury microphone. [LAUGHTER] He's got a really Freddie Mercury microphone. Yeah, he's-- Andy there came up with Paul Kim of some lovely collective nouns for groups of games. We've got one yourself, too. No. No, OK. [LAUGHTER] Well, a fishing net of games. Excellent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A selection box. A selection box? Yeah. In the selection box, Bernadie's up first. Give us your prediction. I reckon we will win three two. By the way, have you noticed why I went to you first for the predictions? I know, yeah. [INTERPOSING VOICES] We are fucking shut up here. Yeah. So I reckon we win three teams. Three, two, three, two, three. You have prediction. Yeah, we win two, Neil. Two, Neil, Ray Sakers. I couldn't lunatic. Brad Jones playing a golf. Oh, yeah. [LAUGHTER] He's playing as well. [LAUGHTER] Dave Thomas. Prediction. Burnley. Ah, three one. Three one. Liverpool? Yeah. OK. Oh, you have to go negative. Do you remember? This is how it walks now. Oh, yeah. We're in opposite land. Yeah, Paul. Andy. Five one to Liverpool. Five one. Beautiful delivery. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] OK. We're done. I am Lou Chware. You are listening to Trippers Chat. [LAUGHTER] Right, we're going to have a little chat about Santa. Santa. [LAUGHTER] I can't. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] Just in case the listeners didn't get that, because you were off mic. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, so we're going to ask you about Santa wishes. And if you could have won Liverpool-related Santa wish, what would it be? So we're going to the table and we'll see what people are going to suggest. Andy Young, what's your Santa wish? I want an injury machine. Go on. [LAUGHTER] Go on. [LAUGHTER] So you can bring back storage, you know, whoever is out, you can bring the boat. So we can fix them as well as cost. Yeah, yeah. Excellent. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in a red. And get green in an red. And get green in a red. But it also, yeah, it gets players back. So, you know, we sit around here every week and we discuss players like you want to come in and they're just never saying to come in. So, you know, you injure as many players as possible until, you know, a chant comes in. [LAUGHTER] Also, it is a fun control thing. I say, just say. No, control by me. [INTERPOSING VOICES] It's so sandy. [INTERPOSING VOICES] You know, I'll probably give-- I'll probably give you a little niggly one for a couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, get in there. Lucas, couple of months. [LAUGHTER] You know, you don't have to worry about players getting, you know, playing too many games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if they get it, if they pick up a knock, you just fix them. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, it's a worry. Go up, hop around and you're Santa wish what would it be? Yeah, just what's going on. I just wanted every chant to play a bit. I didn't want to kill anyone doing it. [LAUGHTER] We should be canceled. [LAUGHTER] That was it. I was not in his elaborate design. He's just like fucking play. I'm like, he's an absolute animal. Yeah. That was just-- [LAUGHTER] I didn't come up with any fucking dog to robot and excuse me. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, just play him a chant based player. It's my wish. OK, lovely. Dave Thomas, what's your Santa wish? Yeah, well, my team's a bit boring now after Andy's injury machine. [LAUGHTER] Just a striker, just like a good striker, just any striker. Oh, yeah. Better than the steaming pile of shit that passes far. [LAUGHTER] For what we have, you know. You can feel the Christmas bearing in the night. It's fucking deadly. I'm absolutely buzzing after, yeah. You see, if I have to watch Parisini come on again, I think I'm going to shoot myself, like, you know? Yeah. Right, your Santa wish. Yeah, well, the rest of them sort of looked into the future and what they hoped for. So we went back to the past and wanted a toy machine just to go back clouds. I'm really struggling with the slip. [LAUGHTER] I'm really struggling with the slip, help me. Every time I'm seeing it now, every time Sacco gets the ball, just on that left flank, and Jerry's just inside them, I can see it again. That madness, crazy bastard football, that Suarez, the best player in the world. That was early. I mean, that was meant to be awesome. I can't get over it. [LAUGHTER] You look straight, lads. So that's what I'd love more than anything, just to go back and just stop the slip. Chelsea were never scoring that day. They were never, ever, ever, ever scoring that day. Only for the fucking slip. That's why all people Jared. No, it's just, it's all wrong. It's wrong! What would you use to stop the slip would it be? [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] So I have to get an invisibility token or you have to slip onto the pitch and stop them slipping. I don't know. Just give him the billy before the match, save you. Watch out for you. Get the studs into the ground if you're taking a little injury. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] He's the only one with headphones of all of us. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] I'm really liking this one. This is from Atkula Tron. And he says, this is in the bridge version, you work at a bakery. There's an explosion in the nuclear oven because there's a nuclear oven in the bakery. Your DNA is fused with the bread in the oven. What bread would you want to be fused with? And what would be your nuclear super bread power as a result? [LAUGHTER] I may be paraphrasing Atkula Tron there. Apologies if I am. Andy, you got any shirts for this? [LAUGHTER] It's only in short what bread do you want to be? Well, yeah. You're a super bread. You're a super bread, Andy. Like, you know, work with me here. [LAUGHTER] You could be for catching. Yeah. I don't know. [LAUGHTER] It's just a mad question. What bread? [LAUGHTER] Um... Toasted bread. [LAUGHTER] And the power of crumbs on the sheets. [LAUGHTER] The most annoying thing ever. The super criminal goes home and he's just full of crumbs on the sheets. Can't be able to top himself. [LAUGHTER] You want to be a bachelor. Surely. That's the... That's the... What's your super baro? Yeah. I don't know. Your super bar has to be something to do with the heel or something. There's not your protective shield. [LAUGHTER] They've never seen a heel on a bachelor. There's no mess with that bad boy. [LAUGHTER] That's two inches. The opposite. The opposite of the Achilles heel. This is fucking brilliant. A bachelor. A bachelor. No, no, no, no. There we are. A polar ox. A polar ox really quick. [LAUGHTER] Here we are. A bachelor. 'Cause it's very heavy. Doesn't that really look like a brick? What are you trying to say? Actually, do you know what? [LAUGHTER] That's what's happened. That's what's actually happened. Skirt. He was asked that question. He wanted to be a bachelor. Right. [LAUGHTER] That's... Wait, where are you going with this? Actually, Dave, you want to be... Skirt is just a bachelor for the bachelor. [LAUGHTER] It's just a bachelor. Actually, have you put a bachelor off and fucking go? [LAUGHTER] I'd probably be all about a job. Batch Jones. [LAUGHTER] He said, "No, I'm going to show his legs." [LAUGHTER] Paul, if you could have anyone, any footballer, past or present, as a tennis partner in doubles. Who would it be? I know you love a game of tennis, so... Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, let's go there, brother. Yeah, let's go there, brother. Let's go there. Yeah. Come on, you must know, this is obvious. I know, yeah. It's Mark of it, she's a tennis player. No, come on. He looks like a tennis player. Yeah, it has to be Yarmobi, our nail runner. Yeah, just pick a big unit that the person on the other side of the court has a serious fucking disadvantage. The only way past that ten fuckers is a lob. [LAUGHTER] And that's all you have to clean up with the back. What's going on? He ain't hitting the cross-up, but he rode a car with Yarmobi. He's shaking his body. Boy, it's past bastards. That's what you want. Boy, go for a ballad telly or lambardera. Boy, is that? Because he wouldn't hit the net for you often. [LAUGHTER] I really feel like you should go home, then. [LAUGHTER] Aquilani. Aquilani. Yeah. The original Markovich. You think he looks like that? [INTERPOSING VOICES] Yeah, he is a proper tennis player. Yeah. Oh, go Paddy Burger with his headband. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] And he sees some European as well. So, like, the likes of Eve and Eve and Eve and Eve are itching to hold out there. They always had to go with the tennis players. Well, I was only on them, but it was hair relax, Phil. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] This is a science question, apparently. This is from Sean on Twitter. I'm going to leave you up to see what you say. If a jogger is running at speed of sand, can he still hear his iPod? None of you has no earphones in. That's really not really what Sean's driving, I don't think. Anyone got any tips? The speed of sound has nothing to do with sound. Mm-hmm. Like, sound-- It's just a measurement. You've got everything on Sean's scientific chips here. Well, it's like saying if you're traveling at the speed of light, can you not say light? Yeah. If you're inside, you'll see light. Well, I got it. Yeah, but it's all about-- So, if you're traveling at the speed of sound with me, if he's carrying it, so-- That's a fair point. Yeah. Exactly. If you're on the car car, listen to your fucking-- [LAUGHTER] You have to wait until he went back to here. Last question is from Jason Robertson. He wonders Christmas cards. A pointless waste of time? Absolutely. Why? It's not lovely to send your Christmas greeting. Have you ever sent a Christmas card? No. [LAUGHTER] You've never sent a Christmas card to, like, your wife, your daughter. They've never sent a Christmas card. Well, you don't send a Christmas card to your wife or your daughter. All right, you're pathetic, fuck. [LAUGHTER] If you're in the entirety, you never give-- What's the difference between sending it and giving it that? It pulls. So, it's the 26th cent that you have to spend at a stamp. This is a real objection for you, rather than the moral argument, is it? No, no, no. It's 70 cents. I'm not paying that. I'm not paying that. I'm not paying that. Yeah. Christmas cards. What's the point with Christmas cards? It's just embarrassing when someone gives you a Christmas card and you haven't sent them. That is a shit feeling. It's always happening. [LAUGHTER] It's always happening. [LAUGHTER] It's always happening. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, I'd love to send them out to the Christmas cards. It's the same as bear the cards. What's the point? People put them up on fucking mountain pieces for, like, a day. Tading down, told them a bit. Oh, do you believe in bear the cards of any sort? There's been. Really? Yeah, what's the point? There's a little bit of someone's had to take a couple of minutes to go away and get in your cards. There's a little bit of extra talk. I mean, you're fucking taking your words off. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely. I've had these guys a spot on. The only people who send Christmas cards, it's a vicious cycle. People feel bad about not sending them and then people get them and feel bad and it just keeps going on with that. Nobody actually gives a fuck. All right, we're closing some admin. We want to give a massive Merry Christmas to all of you. You've listened, interacted, enjoyed, hated, slated, laughed and cried and abused all of us over the year. We hope you keep on trucking those into the new year as Liverpool will undoubtedly take off and we should have lots of happiness to come. It's been an honor and a pleasure. So, hope you continue to enjoy it. Secondly, happy Christmas to all of the guests and LFC podcasters who've taken part over the year. 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