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The underwhelming nature of Saturday's Neil and Neil with Sunderland was lost in a romantic haze of heavy excitement in the build-up to last night's demoralizing result. As Liverpool exited the Champions League at the earliest stage, I don't know about you, but as we take a look forward to games against Manchester United and Arsenal, I think we just swear a lot and see if that helps. And Trev Downey and joining me tonight in the Chile bunker are Andy Young, Paul Brennan and Phil Casey. Well, on the line, we have Gunnar Ragnerson, aka Copoise on Twitter. Right, I suppose we'd better look back at the game, Steph. We've played recently, and the Sunderland draw seems like a distant and horrible memory. The Basel won far more recent and far more horrible. We shouldn't really start, I think, without talking about the manager because it's quite the topic at the moment, but let's maybe save that to Trippers Chats. So, the European campaign, we finished 13 points off the group winners with a win and two draws from six games in a group where we were probably famous to qualify in second place. Personally speaking, it's as bad a campaign in Europe as I can recall, as a Liverpool supporter. Gunnar, your thoughts on what's gone wrong overall in this campaign? The worst thing about all of that is when the draw was made, I thought to myself, the best scenario for us would get a team like Real Madrid because they will win all the other games. So, the second place would just be a walk-in, and Basel and Ludo Raskad or something, but the fuck their name is. I think that was everyone's reaction right there. Yeah, because we expect Real Madrid to win all the other games, so the second place should be a priority. It's just about the game yesterday, it was a selection of playing Lumber 1 up top. I think it was the sixth game in 15 days, and in the last three or four games, he looked to blow an hour of his arse, the last 30. We have no end game. And when we play Lumber 1 up top, we have to play one of Lallano, Coutinho and the pizza. And one thing I don't yet, we don't have to talk about Borini because he must be shocking his misses or something. Oh no, he might be shocking his axe. I say I like the way you're working this out loud, it's good. And one thing I can't get is Amrit Jan, why in the flying fuck is he not getting a game? What does Amrit can't not do that Joe Allen does? He does all the same things, he can bring the ball forwards, he can have a shot, he's more of a physical presence. So I'm not getting my he's not getting a fucking game. Yeah, I think that's fair enough. All just to bring it on to the rest on that same thing, Gunnar is focusing quite rightly on selection and maybe some dubious ones. Is that the massive issue for you with the European campaign? Was it more tactical or was there an attitude on the problem? What did you see? Hey Gunnar, the selections, a lot of that has been confusing for months now. I've been saying like why isn't such a such playing and that completely I agree with Gunnar there. Like Amrit Jan, like for someone who's played so well, whenever he's given a small chance to never get a wound at all, it absolutely baffles me. And when I think of all the best combinations that you could use in midfield for us, between like the poor form of players and how well Chan has played, he'd feature in probably all of them. He's first of all as well. And I think yeah, like Lambert in front of that, I don't know what's going on with Barini, where he's just like, obviously he's not as big as Fana Renton, but he's fallen off the face of the earth. And like Lambert, who was signed as a tour choice to play with Suarez or Sturridge, is now playing so many games of front on his own. With like not too much mobility around the meter, like Gerard up behind them as well. So I think yeah, playing the one off top and the selection, the people that are being selected around that, it's just been a complete clusterfuck in the Champions League. Would you pretty much concur with that Andy? Do you think there was something specific to the tournament? What about Brandon's attitude towards it? How did you feel, for example, when he didn't play Gerard that time in Madrid? I mentioned on the show recently, I think that might create a little bit of an issue for him with the captain. How do you mean? I think, yeah, Gerard needed to be rested, but I think that was a peculiar game to choose. Yeah, considering he up to that point, he'd been kind of playing him every single minute you could possibly play him. Then it was just the sort of Edward Bloom. Now since then, he's left him out with a couple of league games. It's kind of what we've wanted. Sure. It seems like Rodgers has gone into this thing where fans are seeing something months before Rodgers. Whereas, I know it was when Rodgers forced him in. Like, you know, things started to make sense again, you know, Raphael used to do funny things, and Julio used to do funny things. And Hodgson used to do the Madison things. And, you know, even Kenny, like, we were questioning some of his boys and the teams he was selecting and how he wanted to approach games. But when Rodgers came in, you know, sort of, he was dealing with fans nearly where saying he should do. You know, it was what the general consensus was. And all of a sudden now, over the last couple of months, he's just gone after a while. Like, I mean, I can't even begin to go into this. There's so many team selections and so many tactical teams and substitutions and the signings and all. It's like, it's like he's trying to do himself out a fucking job. I mean, Wayne and Rieke last night was just her end. It could not get my head around that. So a complete wasted sort of when he brought Moreno on a half time and every single Liverpool fan is saying Moreno should be starting. So what's the story? And, I mean, I'd been banging on about playing tree quick and fellas up top. It was when Lambert went off and Mark, which came on as Liverpool star actually Tretlin. And it was just a tree player's kind of move and a top. That's all it was. It's moving. You know, so I don't know what's going on. And it's like he's been rougher stubborn now. And he's won't fall out the door. Look, we will definitely talk about that at more length, but just to finish off on this general idea, have you sensed any kind of bizarre, attitudinal thing with Rogers towards this tournament? Have you noticed any kind of a pattern in terms of the way he's gone out of it? You noticed that the pattern hasn't been good enough the way he's gone out of it. You've got five points in a group that had minnows from Bulgaria no matter what way you're looking at it. And a Basel team who, look, they're a professional. They stuck to this house well and they did what they had to do to get out of the group. But ultimately, they got out of the group on seven points. So there's some groups where that won't even get you out of the group. You know what I mean? So, you know, no, he hasn't performed. A lot of this, it's not just the Champions League, it's a pattern that's repeated over the course of the whole season. And I want to keep, because I know we'll talk about Rogers later on, but under selections, it's got to the point now, where I'm not even getting angry at the selections anymore. There was a point where it used to annoy me the teams that he was picking. You just shake your head now. Now I'm expecting. Look, we heard the rumor team that night beforehand, right? When the team was named, the thing was like, this team can't get any worse. If anything, it's going to get better if it's slightly changed. But then when you see Lovren's name and you're like, "Oh, it actually has got worse." You know, it was the one thing that you're saying to yourself, "Oh, yeah, it has to actually have." But to put it this way, even the Sunderland game, even that game, you know, the non-use of the players that we've signed, whatever's going on, is going on, right? But the problem that I see, and the problem that you'll see an awful lot of fans will talk about, and even lastly, had you picked what the fans perceived best 11 was? Seven of that team wouldn't have started lastly. And that's how bad. That's what we're talking about here. And it's not like it's a one-off. It's every week the team is named, and every week, like, people are going mental or something. And that's why I'm actually tired now of going mental over it. Just like, I'm expecting it. It doesn't even part of me anymore. It's like, it's more, well, if we win it to bonus, and if we don't, sure, we might get a bit of hilarity at what goes on the pitch. I'm starting to talk now of, like, I always remember, like, you know, Rogers, you're kind of on top of what's happening. You see a change one week, and you say, well, that's because Marana is going to come back in, or whoever's going to come back with last season, you'd have Catino and Henderson coming in and out of team. And you'd know what's happening the next week. No one lost. Like, I thought Marana didn't play three weeks ago. It was because he was coming in next game. Yeah. And they were just... You can't see any pattern. Yeah. Okay, so he doesn't fancy him anymore. How can you know? How can you not think Marana was... I actually understood what he was trying to set up the team to do, because we talked about this Sunday night on Marco's show, right? And we said he would probably look to Troy be solid and win the game in the last 20 minutes. And that's what I... When I saw the team selection, that's immediately... That's what he's trying to do. But then you look at the players and you're saying, they've never been... They've never been solid. Within a minute, we weren't. And that's what I'm saying. That's where you get confused and you start to go. Like, if they haven't worked now for three managers, why are they suddenly going to click on the biggest European night that we've had in four or five years? You know what I mean? I think another problem is that he doesn't really get the kind of cause and effect when it comes to bad form. And he keeps falling back on, especially get big games like that in the Champions League and saying, "I have to play my most experienced team." That's why Johnson gets in every time. That's why Skirtle is... He'll never be in danger of losing his place. I don't think the way things are going. It's why Enrique was brought back in. But the Enrique thing is bad for him. Enrique... I don't think Enrique had played in the Champions League ever. Up until this season. That is one appearance in the Champions League, is it? I think so. And he's got any played recently against Tolkien. That's where your point falls down. I can see the idea and the logic of it, right? Well, he doesn't have Champions League experience, obviously. But he's obviously older and more experienced than Moreno. And that's why I think he went in. And obviously you're back for a big start. He set up yesterday, like it was playing an away game. Away came in. Away to Juventus or some game. Dave Hantrick made a really good point. You could take the whole bench from yesterday and put him straight into the first line. Line up. And the fans would actually like that more. So... The seven players on the bench probably would have eaten the eleven. Yeah. How fucking diabolical is. Brad Jones had training. It's a worry. How can he knock it again? Well, actually, that's a nice little segue you've done there. So I'll come to you first now, because I do want to look at the players in the performance specifically. Look, it would be a little bit negligent if we didn't look at Manuel A, because he's been quite a focus of attention. As usual, he's pulled off a couple of good saves. But it gets to that kind of blah, blah, blah stage, but you just can't talk about them and keep out of your head the fact that you can't play the ball at his feet. Can I say something? This isn't rocket, so we know that. And even Rogers himself has said that they've tried to see it before his game and make him go long more. But unfortunately, the priest doesn't seem to get through to the lads who keep playing the ball back to him every five seconds. Yeah. So does, you know, either the players have become so drummed into it, we play only short balls out from the back, right? Or they just aren't listening to the manager. Like, you know, if you were looking at those players that are there, what do you think that is? Like, many of that gets raspous all the time. I didn't know. I don't think he did anything wrong last night. There's nothing that's standing out for me. The goal itself, look, sometimes Felicid strikes him to go into the bottom corner, and you can do about any goalkeeper. I've seen the board's best goalkeeper stand there when stuff is going to go into the bottom corner. There is a balance point, Phil, to be made. And I know it's in your nature to defend keepers, and it's admirable. But there is a balance point to be made there when you talk about the defenders. And it's that he basically rolls the ball out to them when they should not be receiving the ball. Yes, they're shown for it, but they're shown for it in silly areas that they shouldn't be shown for. I get that, I understand that. And yes, they do use him too often as a back pass and give him fucking terrible back passes that he can't manage. But he does seem to contribute to it massively. And then when he does have the ball, he's kicking his fucking atrocious. Again, it's not the rollout passes that, again, it's cause and effect. If you give a ball to a centre half and the midfielders to provide an option, his only route is to go back to the keeper. Mini-lay then has to make a decision. Do I go short again, or do I go long? Now, if you go boy, what Rogers has been saying recently, he's been telling Mini-lay to go long in those instances, right? The problem, look, it's cause and effect. When he was going long, yes, they... Lambert wasn't winning the header up top, right? There was one header in the fourth half that I remember at Lambert winning. And then when Lambert goes off, there's nobody to hit with a long ball as they go. He has to go down the flanks to whoever is out wide. So, now you're into a situation. People will crucify him for just kicking the nameless ball then when it's Adam and it's giving it straight back to them. What are you meant to do? You've no target to hit at that stage. So, and we know his kicking isn't good enough to be... That's what compounds are. Be direct in long passes. Look, you can moan, you can complain about kicking all the time. The fact is, we didn't sign another goalkeeper. And are you going to play Brad Jones? Or are you going to play Mini-lay in that game? Now, I would say, however poor Mini-lay has been this season, any time Jones has played, what he's done all right, any time he's got to run the games, he's fundamentally had terrible errors. And, you know, again, Mini-lay pulls off saves towards the end that keeps us in the game when it's won all. So, you play to his strengths while he is your only option, your go-to option as an opponent. Except we don't. There are shit themselves at the back very early on, you know. You don't set the team when you have, absolutely have to win. You don't set the team up to draw. You're like, you know what I mean? Which is what, you know, your point was, wait, maybe you try and keep it tight when the game last 20. You do the opposite way around. You attack the game. You get a, you know, you get a lead and then you defend the lead. You just don't play on. Don't keep it tight at the start. So, the straight away the players are clearly breaking it at the back and then they're rolling balls to each other. And they're just a force touch. It's back to go. And then they're getting pressed. And it's back to me and he has to take two touches to get under control. And it's just putting severe pressure. And it's just fundamental. And I'm not, I do not disagree with any of those points. And that's what I'm saying. If the ball goes back to me and you lay, me and you lay wants to hoof that. It's in his nature to want to hoof that as opposed to taking another touch and playing the short. But he can't because he's suddenly, because the fellow who's up front who's meant to be the go-to bloke can't win a header. Because he's so exhausted at this stage from playing 150 games in 48 days that he can't actually jump anymore. When you're a big lad and... Ricky's my age. I know. Ricky's out. And he couldn't run by the time the game kicked off. He couldn't jump, but it was in 20 minutes. Sorry, psychologically at the back to destroy it. Now, lay on in the game when the shackles were off. There was a hell of a lot more freedom at the back. And, you know, scaredly even went up top. There was a lot more freedom and confidence when they were getting on the ball or charging on a pitch. And you could see there was a bit of a spring and a step. Didn't need to start games like that now. Don't be worrying about the mistakes. But the mistakes are coming when they're trying to keep it so tight. So, I mean, take the shackles off and let them just not do their own thing but play like they have been before with the ball at their feet. I mean, the only player that's ever had a bit of composure on the Rodgers at the back was Agar. And he's out there now. And there's two players in the squad now, Moreno and my cooler that have him. And he won't play them. So, you're going to continue to kind of roll the ball. Play the Roy players at the back at least. And we know of cycles. I'm going to come to you on the whole defense to kind of finish this talk out. Colours injury, obviously, hard just last night. I don't think anyone saw that. Come on, as Phil said, you were looking at the defense gone and wreaking. Okay. And then, oh, Christ's lover as well. What did you make of the inclusion of Enrique and Lovren? How did you feel that affected us? Was it simply like, as Andy said, just added to the general atmosphere panic? To be fair to Colours, he's been back the last three games. He's been better than a sculptor. So, when I got the team the night before and I saw Lovren was coming in, I was like, oh, fuck sake. Then, too, I heard you talked about on the pod last week. If you're in the dressing room, you're hearing your team read read out. And it's mainly in goal, brainless, Instagram, loving, selfie, Enrique, Lefbach. You got John Cleansone at Whiteback and two crowns at Santa Bach. Stevie must be going, oh, fuck sake. It's just... Sarco, in my opinion, Sarco is up at Santa Bach. If he's like 60, 70, 50, he starts ahead of Lovren, without a doubt. So... I don't know, he's... Moreno should be starting the Lefbach. And then, Jamie Carrag, I say it on matters of the day. The Montenai football last season. After six months, he's just stopped trying to speak to Enrique because he didn't bother. He just... he does not listen. He just does his own thing. He just... he can't talk to him. He just does his own thing. And the other thing, I got to come in. I know he's just talking about defense, but on the whole Lamber thing. Okay, if you play Lamber on top. But we are Liverpool football club playing the most important game in Champions League, the last five seasons. And we have one striker. I want no striker on the bench. That's not acceptable. If you don't fancy, Borini, put you at him seeing Claire. Someone on the bench. Did some... you need some for the striker? Yeah, I think that was a very popular opinion as well. Paul, do you want to come in there on Enrique and the boys? Yeah, I was just like, was I that mental? I was loving all right, defensively. Because I kind of laughed when I saw it. Because I didn't know that it was an injury tutorial. I just saw a Lambering on his face. You know, you're just going like, "What is going on here?" And Enrique as well, that was just an absolute weird inclusion. So I thought Love and Dead OK during the match defense. Like obviously on the ball, you know, it was a usual kind of... I think as always, I bring it in as a belly. You know, when he sees it, when he sees it, he thinks he can pass it. But he can't, like, not broaden that. I thought he was all right. I actually thought after 20 minutes or so, they just got on with it. And even Glensin, who I despised, like, do you know what I mean? I actually thought that was... he put in 70 decent minutes. The first 20 minutes were calamity stuff. But I thought after that, he put in 70 decent minutes on the pitch. And it's been a while since he actually looked like he gave his shit about a football match. How much of that goes down to prospective employers in Europe? It's been far from our worst player in the last four, five, six games. You know, I think he's... Yeah, it's hard to go. He has, like, he's growling into the team. Like, I mean, I can't, I can't because... [LAUGHTER] There's just so many things wrong with him. And like, he just doesn't give a shit. And, you know, last night he gave a shit. And, you know, you could see that he can still play football when he gives a shit. Unfortunately, he just doesn't give a shit. And you're more for playing for Liverpool Football Club. And you can see in the interviews he's given. Oh, they're not even... I'm not gonna cry on today. I'm unblabblabblabblabblabblab. But when he actually... when he actually bothered his whole... I've seen him track back last night. Haven't seen that in two years. What did you think of Enrique in terms of his fitness and stuff like that? He had to listen to... I was watching on Irish TV. So I had Mark Lawrence and talking about how he's put on a bit of timber. Like, fucking hell. You know what I mean? Give it a rest. But he was kind of painting the air position all the time, wasn't he? Enrique. Oh, look, it's Enrique. Yeah, I know, but he gets around 50% of the time, apparently, usually. And last night was one of the 50% he didn't get around. No, he's a bizmo. Yeah, well, he certainly wasn't. No, there's no logic that any of us are here saying that Enrique should have been playing last night. You know what I mean? And Roger's admitted at half time to take him off. But the key phrase is why he was saying that it was a waste of a substitution. Because, like, yeah, as you say, he admitted... Okay, it's been a season of strange decisions from Roger's. And that one was up there. That was really up there. Paul, what about strange decisions that worked out to be quite brilliant and inspired? Martin Scurtle surely should start up front. Can you not keep that for the positives? What? Please! I'm done. I've got no more negatives. Rather than positive. All right, yeah, what's going on? Like, I don't know what I would have done if that whistler had gone in. That's one of the best goals. It's so strange that was... Oh, wow. Yeah, you know, I did okay. Like, he competed for the Paul Academy. He does like the magic. Like, he wanted to win it when it comes to that near at the back. He's like, "Oh, fuck, the Paul's coming up here today, oh my God!" I have to say, I said to you, I was so excited when we went up front. Yeah? I don't know when I was... I was stupidly excited. I was like, I was getting giddy with excitement. I was just like, "Whoa!" But did you know when he scored and did he come final? But did you not pace yourself when he did that six-yard-box slide? Like, as if he was going to finish that. Hang on a second, right? And that's what really got me excited. For the forced time that we've ever had a big man attack the front post. Balloté doesn't attack the front post. Lambert doesn't attack the front post. He's not even a striker, he knows. And he almost scores. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very difficult one for any striker. I'll set it to half. He'll show you. I mean, he gets onto it. Fucking fair plate. It was exactly what Liverpool needed at that stage of the game. And you wouldn't have got Balloté to do it. Or you wouldn't have got Lambert to do it if he was still in the pitch. I genuinely... No, no, it's mad. No, no, we come on to you, you're not a game. But if Roger named him up front, give him everything that's going on, right? Yeah, no, you're cracked. Oh, he would be fucking... He would actually be on. Yeah, he can get with that. Fuck off, Phil. He's faster than a lamppost. Yeah. He's a better coach as well. He knows to attack the near post. All you have to do is say to him, "Hey, Martin, just keep running. Just keep attacking the near post." Because most of our crosses always tend to reach the near post and never get to the fair post. Well, if you're watching out at the... against Southampton, the fence was all over the shop. Once it was pressure, put it in a hoyball. Or any of the lovers into the fucking box, like... The scare could do serious stuff. I'm on the scare at the point, right? I can't believe we could do this. Do you know who used to be a striker? Yeah. He was... He was a striker. He was a striker. He was a striker. He was a striker. He was a striker. A striker used to be a striker as well. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. He had a fucking career, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, I see we are going with that being one of our positives, all right? Because the other positives have got here. Henderson is starting with a question mark, so... Yeah, but... You look better than Robert Hill at the front. Yeah. Look, there you go. You look better than another centre back up front. Back of which was nearly positive. Back of which was nearly positive. There was a positive, there was a positive. What the last, close note to Skirtland... Before we got into it, before we got into it, before we got into it. You loved this. You loved this topic. I'm genuinely like a kid of Christmas when I saw a skirt that got up front, right? He reminded me of Paul Warhorst, when all of a sudden Paul Warhorst became a centre forward. Paul Warhorst. Yeah. Geez, that's a shout, right there. I was thinking, "Oh my God, it's 1994 again." Yeah. And there we go. It's the new Paul Warhorst, Martin Warhorst. Did someone else do that as well? I can't think at the moment. Let's talk about it. Gary Darti. Gary Darti, yeah, yeah. Gary Darti, yeah. Well, he was a centre forward and went back. And then went forward again. And then went forward again, yeah. Oh, okay. Let's talk about... What's all Skirtland? Because you said he was a sister. He's got you there. He's got the new Gary Darti. Skirtland's back. Skirtland's back. He's back very below. [LAUGHTER] Right. Let's talk about Lazar metabolism. Let's talk about his very brief contribution now. He has gotten plenty of digs and swipes and stuff like that. But Gunnar, let's not talk immediately about the incident that got him dismissed. But let's talk about his contribution, the brief and all as it was. What did you think of when he came on? He looked lively. He finally had some pace going forward. So he was trying things, getting up the flank. He's a kid. And all we're going to talk about United game later, but he should start against United's. That defense is diabolical. And he starts him, maybe not on the flag. But as a vocal point, at the youth ranks of Partes and Balgrads, he played as a striker. All the way through a youth rank, he played as a striker. Why not try him there? We don't punch a botany. You can not play Lumper at all. It's suicidal. So play Lazar Marco with Sterling up top. Just try it. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Scared on Markovitch. [LAUGHTER] Scared on Markovitch. [LAUGHTER] She's the SNM. [LAUGHTER] She misses Kenny and Markov. [LAUGHTER] Yes! I've been wearing gimp gear. It's great. I love it. I love it. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, a bit of assing them. And look, I've slaughtered Markovitch on this. And for the first time last night was the first time I saw the kid show something. And the one thing I've been saying here all the time, what had been missing from me was that spark. That sort of something that makes you sit up and go, "Chase, there's something about this fellow." Right? And there was, he looked. Do you remember when he came on against City in his forced game in the fellowship? And he was not compliant, and he wasn't afraid of the physicality and the whole lot. Right? And that disappeared. There was also that bit of arrogance when he was on the ball as well. He was happy to take players on. Yeah. He wasn't just looking for the easy layoff and then going. Yeah, more in. We're linking up very well. Yeah. For sure. You know, remember, we were trying to all say in the day that he was sort of trying not to give Rogers in an excuse to drop him. Yeah. And now since he's been, that didn't really work out because he was just so ordinary and it wasn't as close as a game. But since he's been out of time and now he's got back in the last couple of games and got a few minutes here and there. He looks more like a player that I assume he was a Benfica like that. We heard him. Yeah. Marko say. Marko say. Yeah. And that we say on YouTube. And that we all hope he is. I mean, the shackles are offered to fill in there and he looks like he's saying, "Fuck this. I'm going to, I'm going to do, I'm going to take a few chances here." And I mean, he's an absolute nail to start. Has to start. I thought to send an offer to Harris as well just on a point. I could see if the referee is looking at it and he thinks that he makes contact with the smack, right? Why he gave him the red card? Because it looks like he puts the arm out. Let's be honest about it. He's expecting the fella to be closer to him. It's still beautiful. And because it isn't, because it isn't, it then looks like he just chose the arm and back to hit him. So if your man is two yards closer to him, he doesn't get sent off because he hits him in the chest and it's just an arm apart at the actual game. It's just unfortunate. And for a fella who actually come on and started doing well, I was disappointed to see him getting sent off. I thought a yellow card would have been a fair, but I can understand why the red was given, even if I don't believe it. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't a red, but in Europe you just don't know what's really going to happen with something like that. It was a bad, bad decision for him to do what he did. He's supposed to have pace. He doesn't really need to be blocking, you know what I mean? He just, just get on his toes and get away from the player. Don't know why he put his hand up and give the referee a decision to make. So a bit of a lack of an experience there. You know, I was not right and I sound like I can't stay in it, but if that is a red card, fella, it should be sent off like 66 times every game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking Belgium mushroom is easy. (Laughing) He saw the incident against Southampton when he put his elbow in his throat. Yeah. Just before one person was tackled down. He caught in me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does it every game. He brought a jet ride, elbow to elbow in the face last season, and all the traffic, that was brilliant. I'm sure we can deal with this in the preview. I wish we shall. Gunnar told me about our equivalent of a felony air midfield enforcer Joe Allen. How did you feel, how did you feel Joe did on the night? (Laughing) This is not going to be good, is it? I simply don't, yeah. But I can do what Joe Allen does. The last season he was alright pressing with hand-toe and all. But this all, you posted an article, article from me, when I talk about the diamond and how the diamond fits Liverpool. He maybe fits him when we play the diamond, because then we have hand-toe beside him and one other pressing ahead of him. So, he in a midfield too, it just won't work. He doesn't have physical presence, he passes all sideways, he can't shoot. He just gets the ball to A and puts it to B. I can do that. I'm going to cut it off with some more, but it's what's his golden boy. Yeah, well about that, Phil, but well about that idea that Gonna Rise is there, it suits Allen when we are playing that high tempo game. And you're talking about that we should have started with, but when we're not, he's possibly not as effective. Yeah, it's searching for a shape really at the moment, isn't it? Because I think Allen's a bit lost in terms of, in terms of how the midfield is being set up. Like you've got, you had Lucas and you've Henderson there. And if you look at it, you could probably argue that there was some attempt at playing a diamond with Gerard at the tip of it and Henderson and Allen flank in Lucas, but it didn't play out that way in the actual match. It actually ended up that Allen seemed to spend a lot of his time alongside Lucas and Henderson was really pushed down on the right hand side and we were playing the form of 4-2-3-1. And I think in that way, in that system, then it has to be Henderson alongside Lucas and say Lelana or Coutinho in the tree because I don't think Allen, you know, I don't think Allen is as good in a two as Henderson is and I don't think he brings anything to playing in the tree behind a striker that Henderson can because that's what Henderson was there to do. So I was a bit, yeah, look, I'm puzzled as to why Emory Chan isn't getting a look as anyone at this stage, especially in that system because he naturally would fit. If you're not going to play Henderson there, then you'll play somebody who has all the skill sets and possibly even more dynamism, you know, in terms of on the ball that Henderson has. And that's Emory Chan. It's not Joe Allen. And I don't want to start with it because I think he brings something in a certain system, but I don't think that's the system. I don't think he fits that system. Yeah. Andy, what about the captain? Phil Toches is on there and his role that he played, certainly the role he was supposed to be starting to play. How did you feel he did overall on the balance of the match? We saw the goal and all the rest of it, but overall, what do you think? Like Lelana, he was obviously an integral part of the thinking. When you're pushing for a goal and when Liverpool's tails are open and he's really, you know, scrapping and sprinting and putting his bollocks on the line, he's integral. You need them there and there's no way you'd have them off the pitch. But the early, you know, the fourth half, he was horrendous. You know what I mean? Obviously, Rodgers has said to them, "Keep a toy or whatever." And at half times, he said to them, "Don't go out without a toy here." I mean, they should have been the words at the start. And we should have seen, we should have seen them, they're more up for Jared, like, you need to address so much as a player, but also as this presence mentally, like, you know, he just doesn't seem to be putting it in. In fact, the whole team embarrassed themselves in the fourth half. And Jared is the captain. So he is the type of full responsibility for the attitude while the team are on the pitch. You know, when the cameras were on him, he wasn't, he wasn't rolling the team up. He wasn't shouting at them, telling them it's not good enough. He rolled over. So we think it was a pretty, yeah, well... Oh, second half, they came out with a block, second half. It was when Magovich got sent off, it was just a kick in the stall and said, "I would have taken any team a few minutes to start to get a gun again." And I talked 20 or whatever, till the 70th minute. But the fourth half was just not going off. And, you know, I laid a blame there. A lot of it on Jared and Harry's being on his attitude. So... But once he was left to have a pill and then the shackles were up and the tyres were up. Look, look, he was brilliant. I've criticized Jared loads, right? He's never been a sacred horse for me. You know, in time to all the years, a sacred horse. Have you just invented them? Oh, yes. He ain't seen any religion yet. What's that, Mr. Ed? Go on, go on, go on. You know, from... I've always taught that Jared excelled in mayhem. And I taught last season, in the second half of the season, when we actively fraught with mayhem on the pitch and played to our strengths. It was all a pace, it was just manic. It was literally trying to, you know, just... Whether it was the fourth 20 minutes starts, where we just tore out the blocks and teams couldn't deal with us, or in the last 20 minutes when we were able to tear them apart. 'Cause I think it's so good. Yeah. And for me, when Jared has had to be controlling or think about a game, like say, you know, the way Elanzo does it naturally, he's always struggled for me in those times. And I think, you know, if you look at this season, it's been so much slower. There's been no mayhem on the pitch. And he's gone missing in so many games. And if you look at those four 70 minutes, he isn't the presence at all. He doesn't factor in the game. As soon as we get into that last 20 minutes and it goes mental, right? All of a sudden, Stephen Gerard is a massive presence again on the pitch. You know, he's probing. The shots away he was in for the penalty. He scores the free kick. There's more about him. I think he revels in mayhem. I think if you put as many, going back to Andy's point, if you put as many pacey players as we can have on the pitch and go for that dynamic, mad starts that we used to do. Can't play with him. You can carry one player. And if you're going to carry one player, Gerard is the player going to carry a bit. He will revel in that. But if you're doing that, he can play that deep role because teams are pressing. They're not under pressure. Then he doesn't have to think and pass his way out from the back. It's just magic going. He can push on. But as you say, Gerard travels in the mayhem. He's an explosive player. His whole career is being based around moments. I mean, even when he came on late on against Sunderland, you're just saying it was exactly the player that you needed on the pitch because when they were trying to get a goal late on, it was, his head entails everybody, you know, in terms of technique and skill, like he was balled, pinged into his chest, just killing it, spraying balls on the half volley and all that. There's no one else in the club that can do that sort of stuff. So technically and everything else, there's no better player. But as you say, when the team are playing so slow and labored, he's not used. And what that needs is a different type of player. That needs those really technical players that you see in Spain and Italy, who are used to that slower type of game, which is built on making more, creating one incredible chance. And it needs that sort of constant concentration to constant folks and know where the ball is going next. And that type of movement around. And Gerard isn't that type of player. And that's not a criticism of him, but that's never been a type of player he is. And that's more taken on Gerard as such. The problem that Rodgers has here is that he has like Gerard kind of earmarked as someone who has to play in the biggest games, has to play as much as possible without kind of running him into the ground. But like for all his talk about, you know, like for all the Rodgers talk about Gerard adapting his game and all his only really decent performances have been as a 34 year old version of his old self. You know, when he is kind of pushed forward or forward, like you remember, like again, stare. That was a, one of the teams that was so cool. Who was that? That's it. That was the first time we kind of saw Gerard. This is number he pushed forward into the 10. And everyone was clamoring from the start up there. And then there's a few more kind of like, you know, he was one of the best players, you know, towards the end of the game against Leicester. Like obviously Leicester went down to 10 men. But they made him. It's made him. But and then, but like these are kind of special circumstances. Like Leicester going down to 10 men. Now Gerard did exploit them really well. But like it's not this kind of this past that Rodgers keeps saying that Gerard can do. And you know, when it would leak, when basically when the shit hit the fan against Basil. And we started tanking everyone forward. Like as the lads have said, that's when Gerard said. That's when he puts on. And it's just the fact that Rodgers keeps trying to shoehorn him into the team. When, you know, when we can't do this, like. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Let's look ahead to Manchester United versus Liverpool. Liverpool is a way fixture on Sunday at all Trafford. It's traditionally one of the least enjoyable matches of the season because of the absurd tension levels involved. And this week's tension quotient is going to be through the roof. I don't know about anybody else. But I'm getting quite tired of these most win fixtures every weekend. What could a victory here mean for us? Connor, do you think is there is there the potential for a little bit of a season changer? It could be. It could be us first away last season. Yeah. Yeah. I said to myself before the Sunderland game, if you would have won that, they would have made three on the bounds. So a draw, don't trap. Would have been all right. Yeah. Just not to lose. But since we draw against Sunderland, I win. Yeah. It really is the most. They're seven points ahead of us now. If they win, they're ten points ahead of us. It's just too much. Yeah. Whereas reigning them into four could be a massive thing if the differential went the other way. Before I move on to the rest of the goes with this talk about the importance of the fixture, do you see, briefly, the potential there for one for us? Obviously, not in current form, but just even grasping the straw is the fact that we're unbeaten in five or whatever. Is there the potential there? If Rochester, again, goes back to his basics and shows that he got balls like he got in the last season. Yeah. We get Manquillo at WIPAC. We get Moreno at WIPAC. We get Cole or Tore possibly in and throw Sacco in there with him. We put the American in the midfield with Henderson. They look as deep again because he's our only team as a midfielder. We have continued in the hole. I had Sterling just behind Markowitz. That's pace. We got good midfield. That does not include the silly last facts. All over. I suppose we start with menulaean. That team could get a result, but if we set a four, two, three, one with Lompart again, we will not even draw the game. We will lose the game. Yeah. Yeah. Is it as simple as that? Paul, as simple as Gunnar's team. Yeah. I think the one shot in the light is how bad you know it's defence. They've thrown a good few victories together now, but they're still a shambles at the back with the injuries. That's a very good thing. Rocco is back. It's a good news for us. He's back. Yeah. For all of you. I remember smiling and getting kind of pelvis for his mistake against City, but I've seen a lot of fan saying that it's a big miss for them. That he's out with a ninja, which is kind of saying it all about their back line at the moment. So that's the one showing a light where if we do put plenty of pace up there, we saw what Lester did with them. You know, we're just kind of direct running and all. So if we can kind of keep it relatively tight and break properly, I think we do have a decent chance. It's not being overly negative to say that you wouldn't fancy us though. No, you probably wouldn't. That's the only thing is we have tightened up a bit and we haven't lost in a world. We've kind of not stopped the rock, but the rock is kind of like it's not as bad as it was. We've shone a blanket over it. Because all we need to do is to risk our goals now. Yeah, but well, yeah, basically. And it seems bad now we're out at the Champions League and we do it against Sunderland. But I remember a few weeks are waking up and seeing the team sheet against Crystal Palace and saying we're going to lose this game comfortably. That's gone now. You don't think like, oh, we're definitely going to lose now. Because he has addressed a few things, Rogers. But I don't think mentally we're ready for it. I think if we go behind first, I think we'll lose. That's where we're at. The moment that handsiest clowns, something like that back. But if we can keep it tight, stay in the game. I think we can cause them problems. What about that Andy? You mentioned it yourself. It's gone and goals is the thing to do. How does Brandon set up to achieve that end? Yeah. Exactly what it... Go on, I was saying. Sorry, I forgot anything. You want to fight? I can't. It's on an iPhone. I can't read this. That team around there was exactly what a fucking deal. Like I've been crying out front to play a quick tree up top. And now Markovich is playing into my ideas. And what do I do? So I'm playing up top. And do exactly what you said across the back. Look, Rogers is waiting for his job now. Wherever the champ is, he has to do something now. He's waiting for this fucking job. So he may as well, as you said in the second half, for half time, he's going to go out with a fight. So the fans are going to have a hell of a lot more respect for him. If the team turns up at all traffic and tries to blitz you now. If you have more respect for the team, if they lose down back, then they're trying to sit back and deal with what we've been doing for weeks now. Just let the team express themselves. I know they're lacking in confidence, but just open up and stop this shit of playing a man up top on his own, trying to get players into the box. I think we're continuing on the pitch, Sterling, Markovich. With that, you know, back for, you know, they're there for the take. And they've been trying to lose for weeks now. Agreed, but one of the few things that you've both mentioned that he's gotten right lately is some sort of increased solidity. Will he not shit the better thoughts of throwing that away now and going for an all-out attack? No, well, he just has a little... We're touring there and it makes a massive difference because there's just a lot more organization at the back end communication. Like, it's just not as hectic. So, I think that with Lucas playing and that defense in the field role, and then they're back for... Look, okay. I mean, John's was playing okay, but I don't like the feeling. So, I play Minecraft, but even if he did play Johnson, he'd been part of a team that have kept a few clean sheets. I'd have Moreno straight back in. I'm sure he'd start. I mean, I'd give you those things and I'll smash me fucking head up. It's just fucking... I mean, imagine he played Johnson left back and then fucking... You know, he really came right back. I just wouldn't know. I wanted to, or he'd change his shape, but just summer and I can't play. I can't, can't, he's not playing. But if he does these things like, I mean, he's not trolling. I mean, all they attack, I'm talking about when they have the ball. Just getting forward. I'm not just sort of two or three touches and labored and... Oh, Jesus, don't make that pass. Like, and they were dealing with a few times in the set in the fourth half last night where the pass was on and then it was gone. Yeah. So, I just fucking hit the pass when it's there. Like, when... Where the bitch came on, he did that. As soon as he got the ball, left his head up and he did it. Yeah. Did he run against, you know, the fucking bats at the corner. They're fucking absolutely horrific. [laughter] That's brilliant. Your expression is fantastic. [laughter] I hope you like it. I've been diabolical. I don't know. They're one, five days in a row, but... No, they can't keep it off. No, they can't keep it off. The defense is shampolic. The only difference between Liverpool and United at the moment is they have a posh goalkeeper. Yeah. And a player who score goals. Yeah. That's two big differences right there. I did. It's the most jippo five game win and one I've ever seen. [laughter] They're probably whole, they were kind of, you know, they were probably solid against, they were comfortable against them, but Jesus, like the rest of it. Yeah, but that's whole. That's like Bruce goes... Oh, there you go. Three points to add. Ben's over. They'd be better off, not torn. Steve Bruce would be better off, not torn up because he'd probably get a better result than when his team's torn up. Definitely. The manager of a football club and he was... [laughter] Everyone's a chairman of a football club and he was a manager. I'd tell him to take a holiday and let the assistant manager take off because he's ridiculous against them. Yeah. But I think, remember we're talking about trying to get the balance between solidity and going forward. Yeah. And I think if you did play in Richard, it's like he's like somebody who provides that. Like he can go forward without, but he can get back as well. Like he doesn't get caught up feel and that he can play a destroyer and he's got on the ball. And that's where, like, I don't get this with Rodgers, you know, that he won't play him. Yeah. Well, yeah. Look, I'm trying to shoehorn everyone I want to see into the team into the team and have the 40 employees at this level. Yeah. If we can get 40 on the pitch, we've definitely got a good chance. [laughter] But, you know, I... Look, I agree with the lads for most of what they said. Like a total change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Lucas has played 90 million games like Lambert House, right? Yeah. At this stage, I'd put Chan in. I think, again, you know, we need to have plenty of power in our midfield, and there's much physical strength as well, because they're going to play elbows in there, right? Yeah. With the big Belgian motion head that he has. And, you know, we need... Chan, Chan, just knock him over. Like he just, yeah, whatever. Yeah. Fair enough. Interesting. Yeah, he'll just destroy him, basically, right? I'd have Henderson in there as well. Then it's, you know, then it's held you on, so... Look, I won't scare it, look top, so then... [laughter] So, this is a really serious preview, I can see it. Yeah. So, look, one of the most positive things that's come out last two games is that Sterling is definitely re-filling in form, right? And, you know, he has to be put into not so much this tree behind. You want him to be in around the box, right? Cars are much trouble, not just trapped on wings, but being able to go through central as well. And to do that, like Andy says, if we can get a mobile tour around Sker, we'll definitely have a much better chance. [laughter] [laughter] And then wherever we say that. [laughter] And, you know, if you have, like, if you've got Chan, you've got Henderson on the pitch, you can afford to have Dem as a tune front to the back four, and play Gerard in, you know, up in sort of almost a diamond up top. Yeah. You know, there's four there. Steve, you're not to come back, you're not to come back past around halfway line. Your part of the pitch is to play from the halfway line up, right? You're not in the forward line, but you're there to exploit when we can break, or when we get on the ball, you're there to be able to play balls through to the likes of say, Mark, which are even continue up to get down the flanks, or get Sterling true, won't be once against the defence. And then, like, if he needs to win balls and he'll have Sker at there to win the fucking headers in the box. [laughter] Right. [laughter] Sker is definitely starting up top. I'm going to come around to line up actually later on, because we don't normally do that, but this is going to be so mental here where people come up, but we will do it. Look, I'm just looking at it. It's a sacred horse. [laughter] It is? It's a sacred horse. I'm just looking at the United bench there from the previous game. Now, they start off with, you know, Matt and Van Persie and Rooney. But they have on the bench there, Mr. Falco, and they have Yanisoy, and they have Herrera to come off at the bench, and Young Wilson and stuff like that. It's, you know, we can disparage them all we like, and we can disparage their defence all we like. But Mr. Van Hall there has some players. Look, they've spent a lot of money. They've got decent players, because they had the bounds of a decent team before he went in there anyway, right? They spent an awful lot of money. They've got very, very good attacking players. And as we know, in that league, very, very good attacking players wins matches. Even if you've got a terrible defence, very good attacking players. And what they've also started to do now is what they did on the fairs, and teams are now starting to play them, because they know that no matter how bad they're playing, they're still losing to them, right? So, you know, and that's what they lost under Moiz last season. Teams weren't afraid to go, because they knew they had a great chance of beating them. Almost, our positions are completely reversed. Teams are not fearing to come to Anfield. Teams are not fearing us going to them anymore. They reckon they can beat us. You know what I mean? It's so possible yesterday. They pressed this off high. Oh, they're looking for a taking. We're a man on Sterling. Press them high. And they're just... Yeah, well, and that to me is the difference that's going on with this side at the moment. Look, you know, we go there. No matter what way we look at it, there are always toy games. This is the Derby of England for want of a better watch. Derby of England. Derby of England, yeah. But, you know, there's so much, you know, golf between the fans and the players know it's such a big game. It's been built up as a big game over the last 20, 40 years, regardless of where teams have been in the actual league. And this is now a rail. You talk about it's a must win. But for us, it's a must not lose. It's a must not lose. We cannot afford to lose this game. For the simple fact, we cannot afford to be 10 points behind them. Because then we're effectively 10 points behind toward position, right? And we go to Arsenal. We win and we potentially can go above Arsenal heading into the Christmas... Into the Christmas fixtures. And that's a huge differential that a win against these brings. Yeah. Even at worst, you draw against them. At worst, you can still be within two points of Arsenal when you go to play Arsenal if you turn over Arsenal in the next game. So, I like where this is going. Factor in the Europa League is another competition. Yeah. And there is still potential effort this season. There's still potential to turn the season around. Despite everything that's going on, despite my own personal feelings, despite... There is still a lot that if we can just eke out two wins, two scaldy, horrible wins out of our next two games. We can put ourselves, you can go to Christmas and say, "Chase, hang on a second." The league is so shit that we still have a really good chance of making top three. Forget about top four. We still have a really good chance of making top three because we've closed the gap where we need to be at Christmas time. And that's the single most important factor going into this game at the weekend. If we lose, though, it's such a big gap. It's 10 points. It's a massive gap. And you haven't even got to halfway through the actual season. And it's like you're effectively then just fighting for fort. And you don't want to be fighting for fort. You want to give yourself a chance to finish as high up the league as possible, except in that city and Chelsea have gone now at this stage. You know what I mean? It's just get as close as we can to toward place because if you remember back to when we talked about all this through last season, let's get toward. Forget about it. If you finish one place off toward, you finish fort. If you finish one place off fort, you're not at the Champions League. So that's why this weekend is so important. And as you said, put pace around scare and put, you know, our most dynamically failures in there. Put our pace out of full backs in the hole out and exploit the gaps that they will leave at the back. Exploit it. You know what I mean? You know, have two midfielders who are capable of getting up and down the pitch, being powerful and dynamic and covering when needs to be covered. Because that's what Lucas has done. He's been, you know, he's done a job at the fence of the field, purely because he's had a bit of gumption to, you know, to go and fill in spots that are being left vacant when players have gone run up the pitch. And that's how he's really brought. And that's not to put down what he's done because he's done pretty well in his games. But he hasn't, it's not like he's put in war class displays as a defensive midfielder. He was poor for the goal last night. You know, scare it like him, love him. They all passed the book and it was one of these past the book goals that goes on. But again, up until then, he's done pretty well of filling in the spots that he's had to fill in. And I know it's hard to stop them, but I just think in this game, we need to get as much pace and as much power into that team. And that's why I'd start Chan and Henderson instead of Alan and Lucas in this side. In this side, right? Well, look, like I said, we will come back to lineups. We've got yours already, but just talk to me briefly about what you think. You mentioned the weaknesses in the United defense just very, very briefly. What are they and how do we exploit them with the players that you'd like to see in the team? If you play Lucas O'Kahn at the end, Henderson in the midfield. And put Markowitz, Coutinho, LaLana, Osterling, just pace the players up front. Yeah. We'll exploit them weaknesses. Rocco Scheidt, I don't know if Smalling is pretty Scheidt. Mark Meir, he's his back nurse. Their defense is as bad as us. So we just asked, I think, Phil said the other day. Just go mental. Go mental, Steve will feel it. Harry will go into it. Just go for it. Just fucking go for it. We've got nothing to lose. We have to win. Yeah. Yeah. Go mental, I think, is it cash-free? We can all get behind. Who is it that you would like to see Paul to finish this out here before we get predictions? Because we've heard from Andy, we've heard from Gunnar. Yeah. Lineup boys. Who do you like to say? Mini-lane goal, obviously. There's not much choice because our breath isn't the main question. It's just like Mike. Mike? I go at Moreno and Mankio, I fall back, and then I put Sacco straight back in, and then it's between probably Torre and Lovren. And are Sacco and Torre options for the weekend? Sacco. If they're both fit, yeah. Definitely. Go ahead. Because I've been saying for a while that Sacco is our best defender at putting straight back in, especially with how bad we're playing up to about a 1-2 out of back when we were just following goals away. Okay. So, Torre's, I think, has played himself into the team. So, midfield. I dropped your head. That's never going to happen. He's not going to do that against, you know it. I played Lucas as the defensive midfielder, and Coutinho as the most advanced midfielder, and Chan bridging the gap in between them, getting forward and back. Then up front, the front three, I would go, staring on the left, Mark of it's true in the middle, and Henderson on the right. Okay. I'll try and kind of break quickly with Henderson. You know, obviously, he's not a big driver with the ball, but off the ball, he eats up space if you can release him quickly. So, him and Sterling on the flanks, and I just kind of wildcarded, just give Mark of it to go, shoot in the middle, because of how kind of, well, like Lambert, I don't want to go too hard on Lambert, because, like, he wasn't right in at someone who was supposed to play seven games. No, no, but we were looking at our ultimate team. Okay. Well, if we play that... One thing. Yeah, go ahead. If he's going to stick to his 4-3-1, he gets obsessed with that. You can stick for the in-y white, right? He can take it to a couch. He's always working, never gives up. So, he can blunt. He lumps the ball forward against Swans. He went palletally scored. Yeah. And in the lead cup, find the last season, when he got on from the right, and took on company and scored, he can play there. Yeah. Here's a pickup pace. You just have to be in the squad first. Get us going with predictions. What do you think? We've got another case here. What do you think? One, one. One, one. Okay, Paul? I probably go with something similar to that. Two, one deliver. Fuck it, go on. Two, one deliver, Paul. Ali, what are you thinking? Right. Well, tell me what I'm thinking. The older family and fans are response. Yeah. You know, big twin. Between Rogers and the team and everything else, the older fans are major, major sponsors. There's no better game than going to all traffic and beating them, okay? Just to lift the fans and lift everything else. So I think he will go a little bit more attacking. I don't think it's too late now to be plodding along through the season, and the champions be gone and everything. So I think he will drop Lambert, and then he's no choice but to play three kind of tricky players on top. You don't have to play anyone through the middle when he plays three on top because they're going to mix it up. You know what I mean? They're going to defend, but they're going to have a six-man mid-fail defending. But when they break forward, it's whoever goes, fucking up top first is up top. You know what I mean? You attack. The Floyd striker. So I think if they do this, which I think they're going to try and play like they did in the last 20 minutes, last night, I think they're going to train now. I think they're going to train now. And emphatic table-banging trainer Liverpool win. It's too miserable to say anything else but agree with that. So I'm going to go for Liverpool win as well, Phil. If we start skirting up top, we'll win. It's that simple. Yeah, I fancy skirting to get two. And then Marco virtually at one. Perfect. And Gerard to get one. Perfect. And Chant to get one. Or just wanted him. Okay. Alright. Marco is just happening on a scarf. So Gerard's happening on a get a penalty. Fuck it. Do you know it? Yeah. And we're done with it. Just for luck. It's been working so well. Yeah. How is this going to say as well? We're keeping that going. Okay, we'll win then. Fournier. Fournier. I am Lu Chware. You are listening to trippin's chat. A topic that we can't really avoid. And that's one that's been in the papers on a regular basis recently. And that's the potential future of our manager. And whether you think it's nonsense or whether you are fully behind them or whether you want them out immediately. A lot of fire. It doesn't really matter. Because we have to talk about it. Because it's even been some of our listeners have put in questions about this as well. We have Dev. They're asking maybe to talk about Fabio Capello as a possible replacement. Now before we get into any specifics. Where do we stand as a group on this idea of Roger's position and how safe or otherwise it is? Do you want to get started on this fellow's among his other opinion on? Yeah, I don't think it should be where does the group stand on it. Because it's a very individual team for people. My position is I would not mind seeing him sacked at this point in time. That's just me on opinion. I had question marks over in the fourth season. But the same question marks over selection and teams in the fourth half of last season. We had half a season where he seemed to be on absolutely everything right. And of course everyone was behind him. And then we're back to the same position where almost now one and a half years was ten years for another half a year. So if you take it as two and a half years for two years people have been questioning what he's doing with the actual team. I can get all the arguments for being behind them and all the stuff that's going on. I can fully accept that. But my own personal position is I would not be sorry. Or I would not be unhappy to see him sacked at this point in time. Even at this point of the season. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now take that to his logical conclusion before we go and get some contrasting opinion. Who comes in at this stage of the season? Well, I think, see, the difficulty with this is that, you know, it's not just the case of who comes in. There has to be a plan in place. If they decide to remove them at this point in time, there has to be a plan. You're either confident that you can get who you want to come in full time. And it has to be under the system that you want to get set up on the whole lot. Or you get an interim and you actually get an interim. You don't bottle it. So if the interim manager does well for six months, he only lasts six months because that's the plan. You follow your plan. The problem that FSG has had ever ever since they come in is the plan has continually changed. When they've set out that they're going to do something, it's changed to something else. Like with Kenny, he was always an interim appointment. That then became a full time appointment because he did so well. Then when it doesn't go so well, Kenny's removed and then we're all told there's a sporting director coming in. It'll be part of a European style set up, et cetera, et cetera. That gets been because Rogers won't take the job, right? At some point, and this is where we're lacking the leadership in terms of the football end of the club. There has to be a long term plan and I'm not talking about five-year plans or whatever. I'm talking about a succession plan. So you're not just a point in the manager. You're a point in a sport director. Whether he stays or not, we need to appoint a sport director in the club because the recruitment bid is all over the shop and needs to be sorted out. And then whoever is there, if it's Rogers, Rogers has to accept the supremacy of the sport director in terms of all things football at the club. I don't think he will. I think he's on record. And if he does, it's a massive, it's a massive comeback from what he said previously in the press. And two, the sport director has to be there for a long time. So the appointment for a sport director has to be 100% on. There's no point going and getting a commonly who was a good scout, but he wasn't, had no experience as a sport director. And because there's no history of sport directors in an English sense and I think they are going to have to go abroad and bring one in as well, right? There's a number of moving parts. All of them need to be solved in the next six, seven months. They need to be put in place and ready for the summer and ready to go for the summer. So whether you keep Rogers or SACM, whatever your personal opinion is, this needs to be now. It's not a root and branch start again, but it has to be a fundamental change to what's going on at the club at this moment in time. And that's why I've no issues if it is to go. I just have question marks over as a manager and what is actual level is as a manager. So some people can fall on the sides of saying, well, actually, look, he's done so much that we should be behind him and we should give him a chance. Well, that's given someone has a chance to do that, but just to be clear and just to clarify what you're saying there is, irrespective of his future, it's only an aspect of massive change that has to happen. Yes. Okay. Paul, where would you stand on Rogers going forward as the Liverpool manager? Yeah, I'd definitely give him a chance to turn things around. Like, you know, a month and a half ago, I was really kind of, this is crons time for me, has to start, you know, showing signs that he realizes that there's a few things wrong. And he has to change. I think he has kind of, I think he has made us more solid and going forward, he does have to change things up now. We have to get stuck getting back to, you know, to go to tech and football because that's the type of manager he is. This isn't kind of sustainable, this kind of setting up to, you know, keep it tight and all all the time. He needs to incorporate that more into his style. So, but I definitely think like, I know people keep saying that people keep writing it off as, oh, no, that was last season, but like, you do have to kind of say he did really well last season. So he's obviously not this kind of fraud that people are trying to make him out to be. So you have to, like, I think if someone does that for us last season and we can't give many time, who would you give time to? Like, I think he'd just become spores then into, oh, that's a bad few months. We're going to get rid of you. And I could say, I could say a month ago, like, Jesus, if this keeps up, like, he's just lost the heart, like, but, like, so, where, like, you can't keep backing up blindly. But I think he has improved things a little bit. He did, like, obviously the recruitment, as Phil said, the recruitment has been balls of big style. Because, like, if you look at the line up in such a crunch match yesterday, to have that fellow Lambert up front who was, you know, signed as, you know, a kind of a big parrot player. And he became, like, our first choice striker, like, even if Balletelli was fake, you could probably say that Lambert ended his plays ahead of him. And Balletelli was the big, the big kind of signing up front. So, that's just all true of the team. There's, you know, kind of rumors about, he's getting political with who he plays. Like, that could be why Chan isn't playing. Like, Chan could be one of these kind of committee boys where Roger says, well, fuck you, I'm not going to play him. He's not someone that I rate or whatever. So, yeah, I agree with Phil that that series needs to be sorted out, but I definitely think Roger deserves a chance to keep kind of turning it around. Okay. Andy, to kind of cast and vote, we've got one, four, one again. So, where would you go? No, I wouldn't second there at all. When I spoke with this a few weeks ago, I was talking about if they go out with the Champions League and if, come January, February, they're still kind of struggling down the bottom of the table, then you have to kind of make a decision that you're going to look for a new manager. Let them play out the rest of the season, foot away first job if you can, but actively looking for a manager. And if they did replace him, it has to be somebody coming in with credentials with trophies all over the shop. So, shout's like AVP right now, I don't know. Seriously? Yeah. No, like, it would have to be, it would have to be the analytical manager, don't manager, something like that, you know, it has to be, it has to be someone who's done and it was a big future in this game and who's doing things on limited resources, because that's the way FSG are going. So, now, not immediately anyway, but look, the fellas fighting for his job now, I think, like, he's already won't fall out at all with the Champions League. Now, now he has a chance to kind of recover the season on a start this weekend. So, give him, definitely give him to the rest of the season, but you know what FSG are like, they're going to be assessing him constantly on his values and everything he can offer. So, there's no shorting, they're on top of things and they won't even have their mind made up. Like, it wouldn't be one bit surprise. It's the rogue tomorrow, that they're seconding, you know, they have to kind of people, yeah, but if it was me, no, he definitely has to play out the rest of the season unless he walks the course. Because if they keep drawing and they start dropping more points than they lose and then they have a bad Christmas and stories doesn't come back straight away in January and all of a sudden it's fine. You know, it's going to be a big, big, big trouble. So, that's where I mean, not immediately, but I wouldn't be too sad to say and go out the end of the season. You're saying there's no shorting that FSG are all over it and probably are and they have shown themselves to be shooting many ways, but whatever is, as Phil's saying, they're still really learning the business of football. What if they're making the wrong decisions while they're busy being right? They can't talk about having their voice or something like that. Yeah, of course they're learning. Sheryl Rogers is learning themself. I mean, like, you know, there's a lot of things you can make excuses for and there's a hell of a lot of things you can't make excuses for. You could say he's not, it's a forced time in the Champions League, but look, still a game of football, still four points from six games like, you know, that's horrific no matter what league or no matter what standard you're playing. They played against two teams who are poorer than them, and the team was far superior and they've ended up touring the group with one of the measly points. It's really bad. Like, you could say he had seven or eight points and he didn't make it, then, yeah, okay, fair enough. You know, they gave it a bash and they didn't make it more. See, I can understand, and as I said, that's what I said, I can understand keeping them. Like, again, it comes down to how strongly you feel about whether you think he can turn it around or not, and that's where I don't think he can turn it around. Okay. Okay, and that's where it sits in, because I think the mistakes that he's making, he compounds by repeating them. He doesn't seem to be learning from the mistakes and if anything, do we get more, and the more the pressures come on, the bigger the mistakes have become. So, you know, going into such a big match at the weekend, I'm hoping, and like, I don't want to see him, I don't want to see him sacked, right? I want to see him succeed. I would rather look like a morgue saying, I want to see him sacked now and him going to have a brilliant second half of the season, and we didn't really wet, right? But, like, at the same time, winning games will prevent him from getting sacked. Winning games will keep him in his job, right? Yeah. But there's such a dysfunctional thing going on at the club, where, boy, you know, we seem to sign a lot of players, and he seems to lose complete trust in them so quickly by November, every single season. And players become so marginalised so quickly, and they never have, there's never a way back, never a way back. But you know what I mean, even scared, when scared was marginalised, he was back in the side before November came around, and he's been there ever since. So, you either come back very quickly, or you're gone, and it's like he doesn't trust the committee signers, okay? And it's like, where I'm talking about pure committee signs, where they're saying, well, this fellas got the potential, and he's got the attributes he needed where he wouldn't have seen them play. And it's like the committee do not trust his ability to identify targets, so does, we'll show him the odd bound by letting them sign a couple of players, right? But we're going to sign the majority of the players that we choose, okay? And then Roger's kicks back by saying, well, yeah, well, I'm through improving, here these lads aren't coding up, so I'm going to play the fellas that I trust. But that's a dysfunctional relationship. Even without a sporting director, a club will not be successful if that's the way, if that is what's going on behind the scenes. Because there'll always be that sort of friction going on between the two. And what you need in any type of committee setup is that you accept what's happened, and then you make the best of what you get, okay? And if you look at any of the foreign coaches, where they don't have as much or active hand part in the recruitment of the players, they'll identify the places they need, the sporting director goes away and identifies, they then use those players. And if those players are so abjectly poor, they can go and have a constructive conversation with the sporting director who will then lead to them being replaced. And it's a natural flow. What you can't have is you can't have, the thing that's toward me, it was, I'm tired of politics in the club. It's like going back to Rafa and Hicks and Jules, we had all that, Hodgson was there, we had it all, and if she came in and Hodgson just wanted it, you know, we wanted really to learn that, you know, he was awful. Then when Kenny comes in, there was, again, there's still friction there because Kenny really wasn't the man that they wanted, they wanted to bring in their young, all manager. But he also wanted to bring in a sporting director, they wanted to have that set up in the club. But then they, it's going back to what I said, then they break that up to put Rogers in, and now there's that sort of natural friction there because there isn't just one proper football and figurehead at the club. So if you accept that Rogers is the manager in the sense that he wants to be, then you can't have the committee, you have to back the manager's judgement over all targets as opposed to one or two targets. And if that isn't the system you want, then you need a sporting director and you need to let the manager know, well, actually, look, you can identify the positions you want to strengthen, but the sporting director will decide who stays and who goes at this club. And who comes in? Frankly, if that is anything approaching the reality of the relationship that exists to the club, it's pretty scary. But it's hard to find that such an opinion when none of us really actually know what's going on. No, but none of us actually know what this whole committee thing, well, how it's working. We don't know where our Rogers is, like, they're with them a lot speaking, how the communication, the relationship between how many of them there even is. I mean, what do we actually fucking know? Are we based around as Romer and what's your say? Romer hearsay. I'm based on actions that have happened over the course of his tenure. So it's like, it always seems to, instead of older players going out the door, right, it always seems to be the fellas that they recruited, that they brought in and nearly straight back out the door. And they're always the players that always seem to be the players that we didn't really know about in the forced instance that look like committee boys. I'm just giving you an opinion from fan looking at what's going on, there seems to be a natural disconnect between some of the recruitment that's being made and some of the other recruitment that's being made. And when that happens, it could be wrong, but it just fades that you can almost identify, right? That looks like his type of sign and because he retains trust in them no matter what. Whereas there seems to be players that he's easily ready to park. And Brini seems to be the exception to that, really, as you would associate. I don't know, if you look at it, sorry if I quote her, if I quote her, if I quote her. But if you look at Moreno, like, I mean, Rogers actively and vocally chased that player for ages. I mean, he hasn't marginalized him. Well, he's playing a lot of games, he's playing a lot of riggas, but he hasn't just played ahead of him left for... Listen, you go look at him as a guy. You go after a player, all summer, and you eventually get him, and you pay the premium. Yeah, surely you're going to be... But Andy, all I'm saying is that Moreno has, if you look at, compare him to Chan. Yeah. There's a vast difference. You've won spot LSA three, and it failed really all season. I'm going to the Misha. But comparing him then is where, when he wanted to solidify things up, he brought Lucas in instead of bringing Chan in, when he could have brought Chan in. When Gerard has played 90% of the games that we've played this season, a 34-year-old who you're asking to play three different roles, to try to fit him into the team, and not build a team. When you look at the players we have, there isn't one selection he's made that you would say, "That's our strongest team." With the exception of Spores at the time. But there's not one that I can say, "Yeah, now, Don, that's what you want to see out on the pitch." Yeah. Right, well, that's just basically a big ball of uncertainty, isn't it? But that's how it even fails. I mean, I think we're all sort of just totally confused on what's going on. If you can play logic to anything, you know, there just seems to me that there's something going on in the background. There's something that just hasn't come out. But that's my point. If there is, that would explain enough. You see, the bit that you're saying is a bit confused. If you can see the structure at a club, which you can see at so many clubs, if you look at Siri, you know who's in charge of the club. You know what Pellegrini brings as a manager. You look at Chelsea, you know that they have your man Michael Aminalo doing the recruitment. You know where Moreno fits into the whole thing. What we're looking at is, and this is the essence of the way fans feel at the moment, we're confused because this is a structure that hasn't been seen at any other club. It exists all right, but the manager is either preeminent over everything and makes the forced and final decision as to what's going on. Or, he's part of a, part of a structure where he's not the force that lasts waste that's happening. And what we don't know, he seems to be partly forced waste, partly last waste. And that's where the confusion drops in. And that's where everyone was looking. It's exactly what he said. We don't know what's going on, but everyone was looking in and says, "Well, that doesn't seem to be working at all." Well, he shouldn't be conflicting with it at this stage. I mean, he did accept that on his contract and they wear the terms that he's coming into the job. Exactly, so he sat down and negotiated all this. He can't turn around in three months' time and say, "Actually, now I'm not going to play these players who are given to me." Or he was part of this. Or he wouldn't necessarily, "I'm not going to play them." He'd just make the decision. He doesn't have to tell anyone. He just makes the decision and he can back his decision by saying, "I'm going through experience and I want solidity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." Look, listen, we don't know what's going on really, but if they can apply logic to it, if in the background on the board and everything they can say, well, the only reason he's not playing can't amarene or whoever. Where we're so baffled with it is because of us and because of our relationship with him. It's going to be obvious because it's the only fucking reason it can be. Andy, a really, really important decision that you would potentially need to make comes in from ATW. And he's wondering if there were two stakes available for seven pounds at Azda? Would it be a deal or an ordeal? I suppose it's by ten euro, what do you reckon, only two stakes? They're obviously fucking souls. Oh, shills. I was going to say. I'm not even, like, no, he's chills. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they're chills wearing the other twin as he swaps with the trumpet. It's ten chills. So two trimes, souls. You see chills. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, what's the answer? Would you buy them, Paul? Oh, I have frugal moments. I'd probably go for it. Yeah. Depends what day of the week it is. Shouldn't I be worried about the quality there or deals? Yeah, obviously. Yeah, that's kind of... That's the trade-off. Yeah, but I'd probably take a chance on it, yeah. Yeah. Well, look, they're doing deals like that. They're buying in loans, and they've saw some sheep shit me. Like, I mean, you can grab a bag, and what I used to do in a particular test, got a shot in. Yeah. They have a section where all the stuff that's gone out of date that day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. You'd often see the style of rotating the stock. So you put the stuff that's going to go out of date next week at the back, and then people take from the front, and I'm like, "So what I used to do was reverse it." All right. So I did find a solid snake or two at the back that's gone out of date, and it always ended up in a poller because I'm in the same test group day. So it was getting me full of steak for a month, like, you know, for a two-year-old. That's fucking masterful. Criminal master mind. That's what all that. That's genius. That is wonderful. No, no, no, Mr. ATW. No, you've got it. No, you've got to get seven pounds for the two steaks. Yeah, just listen, Andy. Listen, Andy. Phil, I've got a hypothetical for you. This is Finney, and he says, "The male orb spoiler has the touchable penis, which allows it to escape the female who tends to eat him after sex." So the question that Finney's asking is, "Would you rather lose your lad or, as he says, shoot the load and then get eaten?" It's an interesting dilemma. It is, isn't it? That's a tough one. Yeah, it's a tough one, yeah. Do you want to live without your lad or go out having you used it vigorously? What do you think? Well, it depends on how good luck in the female boy there was. Yeah. You know, if she was slightly bigger and hairy, like, "You're just, you know, it wouldn't be worth it, would you?" No, not for many female orb spiders. No. It couldn't really, it couldn't really... But it wouldn't be worth it. It wouldn't really go in here, would you? Obviously we're dealing with a good-looking spider. If you have made the trouble... Okay. If you've gone in and said, "Well, I'm going to order to lose my lad here. I'm going to show him." Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's obviously a decent looking spider, so... Why are you going in? Why do we not know? Why do we not know? Which one? Does this... This doesn't make sense at all. Maybe full-blown or could you've had a bit of, you know, pleasuring without having to go in. Oh, I see. We're just trying to get around it with a spider for that show. Just let horror think that, you know, it's going to happen and sort of... Oh, he didn't like it. He didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just this way for a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because look, you're going to kill me afterwards. So you're not going to live through the bathroom. You just have to be back in a second. Just a tip. Just a tip. Right, next one is from Josiah Villa, who is... ...based in Alaska. And he says, he's wondering, where do players go when Brendan freezes them out? Like I said, he's based in Alaska. And he says he's seen no sign of Fabio Arasako. And he theories on where our frozen-eyed players go. I don't know. Whatever dimension Enrique came from. That's where Roger sends them back to. He goes to... He goes to Enrique's bunker. Enrique. You have to play places. Yeah. He's so serious. He's been trapped there. So is... I'd say he has, you know, like the Buffalo Bill in Science in the Lambs. He keeps suicide on a where he goes, I'd say. It works below some orange skin. That's good. That's good. It's Jammers at the moment. Ballotelli's in there. Sarah goes in there. Shannon's in there. Jesus. There'll be no room to move on the well. In fact, you could probably kill... You could probably even sue someone now, aren't you? Brendan down the well. You could just enter this up here. Right, next one is from David. And David's asking Andy, what's the best excuse you've ever came from. What's the best excuse you've ever came up with when you were late for something? Well, obviously you have to know you're a Mr. Farewell and all she knows. Okay, yeah. You know, so like all you may who's... Mrs. Donald's not in the bill, football. So if he's ever late, like he'd say, you know, it was a cup game. I don't know. Well, that year went on a couple of hours. Okay, right. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Ah, yeah, football. Yeah, she looked like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excellent. Play golf, you know, so... Yeah. Watch your belt golf. So when it got home, say it was a team event we played. We had to play 36 holes, but that's what we were going to say. And it worked. Brilliant. Brilliant. When he goes out to Florida, he goes back on Monday. Yeah. Yeah, 36 holes. I've never had like, you know, an actual story like that of you, an excuse that of you was... But the people in my work reckon that I've made one up, because I was one day I was cycling in. And I borrowed it like, I mean, the biggest shit ever. Like, this thing hit me in the head. It hit me in the head. You know, it went into my hair. I could feel it going to my hair and all. I could feel it dripping down me neck. I don't know what you were seeing. Like, dodgy curry or something like that. I don't know. Maybe it was... Yeah. It was the fucking house. The house mistakes, yeah. Oh, it's her or that. Yeah. So I went home. I was like... I could have just taken you out of the morning off and gone in, but I was fairly upset. Like, I puked when I took my t-shirt off and I started melting. But that was, you know, down the back of it. So, eh, which got all rang in. And I said, I'm not coming in today. I'll tell you this tomorrow. What, what, what, I'm not. I went in and I told them this story. And to this day, they think I'm bullshitting. They don't think that there's joy in the world. I didn't see the actual board. So maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was a fucking homeless man who betrayed us. I'm like, I'm just like, now this was a lot. There was a lot of shit. They don't believe it. Oh, this shit is flying first. But they don't believe... They don't believe that. Hey, I was fucking like, like, I had to wash it all out of me and take it out and get stripped. And all of a sudden I went into the gap and tried to close it. And B, they don't believe that it, like, upset me to the point. Or I was like, I'm not going in. So, what do you got? They still reckon that. Like, I've made up this story about the big giant board shit in my head. Like, but it's not. It did actually happen. It's so cool. To finish yourself, my camp is wondering... He just says hurling. Why does it even, which I think is where does it even exist? Now, to explain Marliss not an Irish man, so... He's confused by the existence of hurling. Anyone's got anything else? No, I'm an Irish man and I'm confused by it as well. That's absolute shit. It's just 15 inbred blokes with sticks, being the shit. I'll be trying to... People going on about being brilliant. It's not brilliant. It's like, a Tony Pulis team with sticks. Like, there's no... Obviously, there's a bit of skill controlled in the ball or whatever. But everyone just picks the ball up and hooks it up the pitch as hard as they can. And he's like, "Oh, he's brilliant at that, isn't he?" And he's like, "Well, he's just going to fail and smack it." Like, is that the train and just smack it as hard as you can, as long as you can? It's often as you can. It's absolute shit. That has alienated a tremendous amount of Irish listeners now, because they actually believe it's the single best field game in the world. You've heard this, too. A fastest field game? Yeah. Then I get a small skill for them. Would you not see skill, Nandi? Of course, I actually do. I don't. But that one's just bigger. (Laughter) Well, the thing for the English people seeing it for the first time is this novelty factor and they just can't get their head around the spark. But we're all familiar with the spark since we can... Since, you know, we're children, you know? Yeah. It's a mad spark. It's brilliant spark. I wouldn't have personally had the ball supplied as an adult playing skill, because you don't get hit that hard. It's the main mistake. I mean, there's nothing. They think nothing are getting a stick in the face, like, you know what I mean? Having sticks broke across their face. (Laughter) They think nothing is coming out. They think nothing of a fracture. You know, if you go down and whirl in, you're a big pansy. Yeah. Fair play doing. It's kind of like, what a sport's going to learn from it. Fair. What I don't get is that, you know, if you say it and bad against it, you know, whirl in person. I like to see you try and control that ball and all the things that I like. Especially... (Laughter) So... I'm women. Yeah, but like... That's like saying, you know, someone who's never played football before. That's like, you know, trolling a ball at them. If they can control it, like, Messi who's been playing it all his life, like, then, all day, you're just shy. Like, of course, I can't fucking control a ball. I've never... I've never had any interest in playing the ball. That's the attitude around it as well. But it is... The fans are watching this sport. I don't know what he ate, like, played in school at Apple. I mean, it was a long, long time since I picked up a ball. But if you've picked up a ball and a slit around, fucking, say, 20 years and a half, it's the hardest thing I've ever had to hit. Yeah. A ball just drops like a ball. (Laughter) You just look like a useless lump. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you ever see people who've never kicked a ball before? You know, you know that if you're playing a match, and the ball goes over to some fellow walking with his wife, and he kicks the ball and you're like, "You have never kicked a ball on your life, haven't you?" You look like an absolute sapling. This is going to be a rookie-lamber joke, isn't it? (Laughter) No, but it's like that with any sport. If you can't play it, you can't play it. But there's always this big thing about, like, you know, as if... Nah. I'm not going to leave it. I'm not going to alienate any more people. The fell of you, only as she is towards hurling, do you love it? Do you love it? You're not a GA, man. Oh, man, I hate the ball games. (Laughter) The ball games. Seriously. You've just completed the job that Paul started for a play. (Laughter) That's why Dan's trip was set to have fun games. (Laughter) Jesus, what? We'll finish with some admin, and if you want to play some football in a round, double and Astro Parks, the place to do it, book your pitch time at astropark.ie. There's still tickets available for the YNWA Christmas night. That's got John Barnes, Roy Evans, and it's possibly here, McDowell, I think. You can find details about that on our website, LFCDayTrippers.com, and you can read the articles that are on there while you're at it. Another plug this week for the Fantastic We Are Liverpool Fanzine, which features contributions from myself, Dave, and Phil, of the Trippers crew. There's also an interview with someone called Rafa Benitez, and Neil Paul's quality publication can be purchased at www.weareluripofanzine.com for the frankly ridiculous price of £1.50, and you can avail of all the discounts from multiple purchases that exist there. The man himself will be selling the Fanzine in front of the cop for the next few games. Your day trippers tonight were coppies, Andy Young, Paul Brennan, Phil Casey, and myself, Trev Denny. [laughter] He's all his name is on camera, but... He didn't even know he'd just force names, like, you know what I mean? So obviously, the fuck so. 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On tonight we have Trev, Phil, Andy, Paul and guest Gunnar Ragnarrson aka @Kopice86 to discuss the weeks events. So the knives are quickly sharpening and the ides of march draws close in December. On tonights show we chat about the goings on of the last 2 fixtures which witnessed 2 draws and the usual european grandstand finish but this time without the fairytale end. We look ahead to the weekends match with the team who are usurping us in the league table and round out with trippers chats as ever.
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