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All this week on NBC4, new products to new technology, Susan Hogan is showing you how local restaurants are changing the way we dine in and take out in this new world tonight at 6. A new twist on outdoor eating. A lot of it is creating flexibility. How one local restaurant is making their outdoor space mobile, giving you plenty of sunshine and social distance for a stress free meal. It's all part of Restaurant Revitalization, tonight at 6 on NBC4, working for you. [MUSIC] Danny's back, let's hope we see the shake, it's the day trippers. I look a whole week and we didn't lose, things are on up and we're back to back wins against Kristall Palace and Lidogorets, would certainly lift the flagging spirits of Liverpool fans considerably. Myself and Phil would be talking to X-Red, Shamuk Grover's legend and FAI coaching chief Mark Kenney a little later on, and joining me in the bunker tonight to wallow in International Week limbo are the Mike Ephobic Paul Brennan, fighting Dave Thomas and fresh from playing with the traffic stunt cyclist Phil Casey. Okay, we're delighted to be joined by a special guest in the bunker tonight for an extensive chat on a whole host of things, a World Record Breggar schoolboy level and as a captain of home farm side which went on beaten for six years, a former Red Shamuk Grover's legend and FAI employee and a man who coaches Ireland's up and coming coaches and the manager of the FAI emerging talent team, Mark Kenney, thanks very much for joining us here tonight. Mark, first off, let's start talking about your days as a Red, you spent three seasons there as the Empire was kind of crumbling, what was it like to be there at the end of the boot room era and the arrival of Sunas? Nice, thanks very much for having me today guys and thanks for that question to get me with you, I appreciate it but no, it was a bit of an unfortunate time for myself being there at that time. I was under Daglish for a year, which I found as a bit of a father figure, gone golf and talking in corridors, great time and unfortunately he was gone after nine months I was there, and Sunas came in for the two or two and a half years and it was just a horrible place to be at the time, training was changed, we used to go to Anfield every day, get on a bus journey, out to Melwood to the training ground, that was all gone, we had to meet at the straight to the training ground in Melwood, so there was no banter between players on the bus and stuff like that, so it was a bit of a poor time at the back then you know. And it was really noticeable for you guys at the time, the atmosphere, the atmosphere, well the big one for me was I would have been very very, and still I'm very good friends with Ronnie Whelan, and Ronnie would have shared all them European Union's championship wins and he would have shared a room with Sunas, and when Sunas was coming back there wasn't a happier person in the club than Ronnie Whelan, but unfortunately he came straight in and stripped them as club captain and what I'm saying on the transfer list, so whether he's making a statement or not, he certainly did. Well just before we move on, take it out because I'm absolutely fascinated by this claim diagnosis of my hero, I mean there's nobody that compares, actually probably my only hero, so what was it like for a young fellow going over and you know, if you were like me, you're looking at this man and going, Jesus Kenny Douglass, you said he played golf which is amazing, a few times to be fair, I was completely in awe, but I have to say sitting down with the man after 10, 15 minutes, you're completely at ease, you feel that he makes you homely, very warm, very welcome, a really good guy, people see him on the TV as a bit of a a dry personality but extremely witty, he's a very good guy I have to say. Seriously impressive stuff. And Mark just before we move on, what was it like in terms of when you were there and then when soon comes in, you know, you say there's a change of sort of roles and things or structures around the club, was there a loss maybe in the focus on the youth or was it just, you know, was it parked, you know, because there was always that sort of conveyor belt, the talent coming through the club and all of a sudden it seemed to stop almost until Roy Evans comes back in, so just what was it like, obviously you've gone over from such a such a successful home friend of the time, and you're where the hoyloy to the school while you pertain to you at that point, so what was it like for you, you obviously had great expectations going over? Absolutely, like I'm sure like every player that goes to the UK, you think you're going to make it straight away, which is miles off what reality is, again you've got to realize that there's 20 other guys in your position at your age and probably the best 19 other players in England and then you're the your age guy sitting in the corner on your own and it's a completely different atmosphere and nowadays with Daglish, he was very very warmly towards youth, we've seen the looks of the fellers coming through and all this carry on and there was always one or two breaking through throughout the years, which kind of had your little in the back of your mind, if he can make it, why can't I make it, but soon as came in and his first teams were to strip, as I said, runny of captaincy, made Mark Wright, club captain and he bought about three or four players within the first couple of months he was there, so you're looking back on it, he's more of a buyer rather than bringing newton given, even reserving players a chance. In those days, Mark, in the time that you had at the club and obviously most of it was understanding, how close did you get, did you think to maybe make a break through there? Not really, not really, you wouldn't, you'd think you're a million miles away and possibly I was at that time, but I was in a first team squad, travelled to Luton to play in the old Carling Cup, I don't know what it was called then, and I'm on the tour, something like that, on a tour, I was in and played Chelsea on the Sunday, but again, not on the bench or nowhere near the real thing, you know? You obviously were training that with these guys and with the top end players. My last season there, my last six months there, I would have played 25 reserving in games in the last year, which is kind of a bit of an achievement in itself, the likes of Mike Marsh, Mack Mannemann Fell, or Redknap Hutchinson, and the players then coming back off injury burns out and I'm wheeling and you're holding your own with them type of players that had won so much, that had been highly taught of and so much and then all of a sudden, you're out of contract. Mike Mannemann's a hero of Fell's and all, did he impress you particularly at the time? Yeah, he did, he did. He would have been a year or two above me, but yeah, he was a class act. For me, the best player was obviously feller, you know, he was a year or two below me, but he was absolutely. He struck you at the time. Yeah, he was scoring goals for fun, you know, absolutely. How then you talk about, well, it didn't quite pan out, so how do you know, how does that come to an end? How does it come to an end for you? Well, three months before the end of your contract, this was going back in obviously back then, but three months towards your professional contract, you're either going to sit down and negotiate for an extension, or you're going to be told you're out of contract and unfortunately for me, he left 13 players going one year, which is a club record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was a bit of a- That's interesting. Not back to me. Oh, that all feeds into the idea that people have about him at the club and the mass change isn't that not necessarily positive or not? No, absolutely. You went, like, let's ask it all, like, did you feel, was there a sense of bitterness when you were leaving? Did you feel like, hang on, I'm actually, it was worth to go here and I didn't get it. Well, I was a Liverpool fan, first of all, going over, absolutely 100% and the good thing about that was I was in awe of the club anyway, so whether it had over expectations or for myself to make it or not, I'm not sure. But again, as I say, I was a fan going over, so the excitement was kind of in my heart as I was going, so the fulfillment to go and be a professional footballer, the drive was definitely there and only for Liverpool football club. Yeah, yeah, and just does that leave you then? I think, am I right in saying you go then from there to banger in the league? I actually went on loan to a team in Cyprus for a month, Applewell in Cyprus, which I really did really well, but again, I was young enough, I hadn't even hit 20 yet, so you feel as if you're a bit of a failure, being released from a club and coming home, so you try different types of avenues, so I went to Cyprus, as I said, for a month, and I went to a couple of clubs in the UK, Crue, and Mansfield, all these types of clubs that are close enough in the Liverpool area, but again, unfortunately, things didn't work out. So it's the Irish League for UNEX, we're bangers, that right then? It was, yeah. That's right back up north, yeah. And at the time, did you, like you say, they were crew and the rest of it didn't work out? Were there other options for you in England? There wasn't really options, I was sort of going on trial with these clubs for a week, a couple of weeks of time, but again, everything was coming to an end of the season, so things were fizzling out, and they said, "Go home, we come back, take you back next year, pay your own fairs," and at this stage, during the summer, it was coming home at no money, so I had to go straight into a league and start playing again. Do you remember this man with Chad McRover, so? I do. I do. I do, I do. I was a Keene League of Orland fan at that stage. Yeah. I was on late teens, early twenties. Yeah. I would have been frequenting the shutdown down a path, it would have been a path from at the time. It was a path from your scenes. Yeah. And I was actually part of the decent team at that stage, because I was passing Cork, where I'd have won the challenge in a year. I remember being there, there was one match, it was probably the '94, '94, '60s, I can't remember what year, and it went down to the war, and the rear game was in Richmond Park that year, and it was amazing. The place was generous. There was probably about 7,000 fans down there. Absolutely, yeah. And there was a pause, it was on the television. I remember being in the crowd, and it was the closest I've been to, say, a proper, that type of English, crazy atmosphere at a league of oral and game that I experienced at the time. It was just brilliant to be there. Look, there was a real buzz about the place. I was playing at the time, obviously, and we'd often play down on Pat's ground, and we knew the Pat's players from being part of the locality in the whole lot, and it was just a great buzz, like, do you know what I mean? So, I do remember Mark home, and I remember, because Pat and Rovers would have plenty of ding dongs over the years. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, one or two, all right. Rovers is pretty much the place where you felt most comfortable after that, you're basically a Rovers legend at this stage. You want to talk to us a little bit about that time? No problem. I think everybody knows, again, as a child growing up, we've been on a hardy plate for Rovers for 12 years, I was there in nine years, so we've 20 years of family tradition throughout the club, which is a good achievement, yeah. But I was a Rovers fan, I was a Liverpool fan, and kind of lived a dream. I consider myself quite lucky, if the truth be known. Yeah, yeah. And what stands out here, like, from those days with Rovers, what was the most enjoyable thing for you? Well, I made my debut against Bose, there was a building there, as you were saying, there was about five or six thousand at the game, and I actually scored on my debut, and from then there was no real looking back, I was a hero anyway, so that was a good start. Yeah, it was a good start. Like Mark had played in Europe and all of you played in Europe with Rovers? I did, I would have played, I'd say, nearly ten games in Europe with Rovers over the years into total cup, league cup, you know, all these different types of cups, which is a good achievement again. Did you play it again in South Korea, didn't you? That was a friendly game, yeah, that was a friendly game unfortunately. I scored on that also, just for the record. That's important, man, let's get this stuff in here, you know. Do you, is that who you identify yourself with, Mose, and obviously not just the time, but you know, do you develop an affection for a club, like, you know, true being part of it? Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah, it's like a family kind of a feeling. You know, your heart is, you know, I was listening. We were just talking a little bit earlier, talking about Graham Kavner. Yeah, absolutely. He was talking to himself at home, when he went as assistant manager at the Carl Oil, then obviously he became manager. He moved all his family to Carl Oil, and a year and three months later he got to sack. Yeah. And he's in No Man's Land there, which is sad, you know, but that's football. And at what stage when you're, you know, putting in regular performances for Rovers, as you say, you know, you're playing regularly, you get that, you have that enjoyment as a player. At what stage, you know, you've got coaching background in your family. Sure. So what stage do you think? Right. Okay, this could be the route for me. Well, in football, there's no real route. You don't know. You could break your leg one week. Yeah. Okay. You know, you could drive on. Unfortunately, it was pretty injury free for the nine years that Rovers would have played over 250 games for the club. Right. If you can't feel homely in that kind of an environment, yet we've seen half five or six managers in them nine years. Yeah. But I still felt my heart was a sham of Rovers, and there was nothing else for me. And when was it that you thought, okay, like this, the coaching could be, could be the thing for me? Like, did you, did, was it late in the career? Or was it something you're always thinking? It was something that I was always, yeah, thinking about with the Trooping on. I don't know why you wait for B license still as a player, and that's thanks to Damian Richardson. He encourages players to go and do their coaching badges. Because if you're a footballer all your life, you should be a footballer or a footballer through in your playing career. You should be a footballer throughout your life. Yeah. And that's what made me go down the route of the coach inside of things. Yeah. Go on. Go on. That's an interesting idea. What exactly do you mean by that being a footballer throughout your coaching career? Do you mean, look, thinking of from a player's perspective, is that what you mean? Yes. Well, I left school when I was 16, I went to Liverpool for, till I was almost 20 years of age. Yeah. I signed for Banger, who were a professional club. I was with Rovers for nine years, and throughout them, nine years, they were probably professional for five, if not six of those years. Okay. So a good 10 years from 16 to 26, I don't know nothing but full full full full full full. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, people say it is a fabulous, fabulous lifestyle. So you're going to carry that with you. Absolutely. With regards to what you're doing at the moment, the job is development officer for the FAO. In your opinion, like the standard of coaching, and the level of it now, has it improved in your time there? It definitely has. Yeah. Absolutely. [LAUGHTER] Where you going? That's all. Yeah. Or am I on the end? [LAUGHTER] But look, it has more of my job now would be to deal with the grassroots coaches. Yeah. And parents, just being able to put on sessions for kids. And what we done years and years ago, when I first joined the FAO, which is it'll be my eighth year at Christmas. So it was never really much involved with football as in the actual football itself. Yeah. It was all running, quick feet and all that. But everything is done with the football now. That's all kids want. Yeah. Yeah. Is there that genuine movement, the way, because people talk about that all the time we've spoken about on this show, the big guys are the ones who still make it. That's the perception and the idea of if you've got a big, strong player, you'll hoofle up to him and you'll see what he does. Is that really genuinely changing their kind of reproach? Oh, 100%. 100%. I think the Barcelona team, I've thrown that out to everybody. Yes, yeah. The NES's, the Messi's, you know, Shavis. These guys are only four, three and four. It's just the technical side of things, being able to get it down past, small little ones around the corner, stuff like that. Yeah. I think it's overcoming in the game. What about the idea of the players that we're producing? Again, it's something we've spoken about here, myself as well. Is it still very much that everybody who tries to make it here has one eye on England? Like you would it yourself? Absolutely. Yeah. I'm head coach of the emerging talent here in Dublin, so we would have the best 32 players, if not outside of Dublin, definitely within Leicester, and they're all international players. And again, these are players that are striving to make it in the UK, but unfortunate statistic that has come out, it's there's only 98% of players that go to the UK, 98% will come home. Jesus. Okay. That's it. It's a huge, out of 100%. 98% will come home. And do you find, sort of coming back to what Trevor's talking about in terms of the physicality, you know, do you still find, you know, Daniel, who's on the part as well, he would have been involved, say, a grassroots level with clubs and stuff. And he says, to his frustration, when he sees the guys that go for trial, the inevitably seems to be the bigger fellas, the fellas who have grown quicker and seem to be more physical and just push lads off the ball. And then when they land in England, half the issue is, there's another 15, 16 equal soils and the technical skills may not have been developed. Absolutely. And it's probably too late then at that stage because they're going away at 16, 17, even 18 at the time. And if you look at the current international squad, I think eight out of the 26-man squad that Martin O'Neill had named had all played Lake of Ireland, which is, I think, this is what we would call, in work as late starters, you know. They're coming through, they're getting experience of playing Lake of Ireland. Do you have to grow up quickly in the UK, which is something that's not really touched on too much. You're always only a 16-year-old boy going to Liverpool and you're kind of left on your own. You're trying. You go back to your digs. You do. You have no real friends. But you have to grow a little bit quicker than normal. But again, as I said, if they're playing in the under 19 national league that we have here, you're getting as close as you can to professional clubs in the UK, which is good. It's interesting because that was something that Noel Borne also mentioned when he was in was a very under very force pod where he said the biggest thing you had to overcome when he landed was he went from a home environment with your friends around you in the house and it started to brought on more homesickness than would have been there previously. Absolutely. You come on. Oil and effectively. That's correct. It's ground when you're in the training environment and the team environment. It's just after that. Yeah. There's an X amount of errors that you're doing today and the rest of the time you're spent down on your own. And inevitably, you do make friends, obviously. Of course. Yeah. That's normal. But when you do land, it's that isolation. That feeling of sort of cheesy. You know, if it was a home, they'll be up with the lads. Yeah. That's correct. It's a little bit changed now from myself and Noel's time. We used to train a half, 10 to half, 12 every day and you were off every day. Yeah. It was never an afternoon session. Now the likes of players that go to the UK, they go training in the morning at nine o'clock to get schooled, 12 till four, then they go on training again in the afternoon. I'm sure by that time, they might hit the gym, which wasn't my day, unfortunately. And then you're just ready for bed for come eight, nine o'clock. Yeah, yeah. And then off you go again. The structure's better. Yeah, absolutely. I know Phil is of the opinion that, you know, you know, this idea of England is the mecca. And it's understandable. Yes. And because it's right there in the doorstep. Yes. And like we talked about homesickness, it's going to be far worse if you're not in a country that speaks your language even. But something I know Phil is interested in is the idea of what about having an eye passing for these kids that are coming through with the likes of yourself to look at other leagues, perhaps as a place to develop. Like you did yourself when you went up to it. Was it? I can say. Yeah, that's correct. And just the thinking on this, the logic that I have on this is that when you're coming back to the idea about the physicality and the whole, we brought in the Dutch guy to revolution, correct, correct, right, they look at a more technical, a more sort of pass and base thing. That's definitely correct. A more continental sort of game. And as you say, we've got a lot of players who aren't physically huge, but are very good technical kids. Yes. Absolutely. Where they are the norm on the continent, they aren't the ones that are taken to England and such, and that's why I've often said to you, and I've said to you, Trevor, outside of the part of the whole art, is that, you know, there is a market as such for the outstanding young talent. You see some examples going to Madrid and going to Barcelona, but very rare. And I just wonder, could be more done by, I don't know, the clubs or the scouting networks or whatever, that's there to sort of push them maybe. Your connections with the clubs. It's a difficult one that now, you're kind of going into, you know, we're such a small little country. We don't have huge amounts of money. Just one example was when the French Federation signed with Nike. Nike gave them 42 million, just to wear Nike gear. Jesus, yeah. And that's throughout the all their international teams. Yeah. It just got to show you the Federation's money and what they're getting. And we're finding it extremely difficult to feel the Aviva stadium. Yeah. So, in a comparison like that, it's difficult. If you have loads of money, you'd pump it into grassroots. Unfortunately, we're not in that situation. But as you say about the Dutch guys, we've had two Dutch guys now. Well, we have one still in place, rude doctor, who's doing fantastic work on grassroots roots level with small managers on the 15th and on the 15th right up to under 21 level. We have vast improvement over the last two years. And the previous two years before, that was a guy called Vim Kurvermans, who's with the association. So, we've had this Dutch influence for the last five years. And it has improved, I definitely will say, it has improved. And you're right, our smaller players, technically good players, seem to be just pushed aside and we have these stronger boys coming through. But I think it's torn and it's revolving slowly, but definitely surely. Just to grill you one more question on the whole topic that we're talking about now. As the head of the manager of the emerging talent program, are the money as you see there at the moment that you think might actually make the break in the senior football and you just have to top your head, are you looking at a few real gems that you're excited about? Well, I suppose because people aren't afraid to start, like, watches have done, like you've qualified, you're saying to us, you've worked with. Correct. We've qualified for the elite phase of the European Championships, which again is an achievement in itself. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I would like to think we're actually at this on the 17 age group, at the moment, these guys be all 16 years of age and as I said earlier, 95% of them be in the UK with top-top clubs, the Liverpools, the Evertons, and we've got really, really good talent at this age group coming through. Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant. Look forward to that. Let's move it on a little bit to Liverpool, to the team we all have in common, and with your coaching hand on Mark, the basically all Reds at the moment are chatting about what are we going to do to improve, not just the defence, also the attack. With the players that we have available, it's not to put you on the spot, but let's put you on the spot. If we were to put you in Brendan's shoes at the moment, right? What would you do to improve the team, especially defensively, I think in the set pieces and things like that? Again, thanks for putting me on the spot, I appreciate that. You can take this in two pairs. Yeah. What would you do with the Corum players? Yeah, absolutely, unfortunately, true injuries and stuff like that, we've struggled lately. We seem to be leaking a lot of goals, I think, mainly looked to finish the article, and maybe not so much this year, so there's obviously, as been an ex-professional football, there is a dip in form, kind of the all dip at the same time, which is not good, I'm not sure. But again, a personal friend of mine is Mike Marsh, who's on the first team coaching squad, and he said that everybody's foreign and all cylinders, everything has gone exactly what they did last year to what they do now, and it's just not kicking out. And would you not have said, even last year, as we watched between our fingers basically enough a lot of time, we were not going to go so far in, but defensively, we were still concerned. We're still conceding, I agree. But again, it just comes down to performance on the day. It's an all clean, shy, I know, but if you have a luck-toid defense, and your scoring goals the far end, that's a good formula for me. Can I, really down to the coaching side of it, we have players that continually seem to not be aware of what's going on around him, and I've often criticized Glenn Johnson for this, because he continually turns off in set pieces. Absolutely. Scarlett, as well, doesn't seem to be aware of his own defenders around him, does his job correct, but never seems to be covering or something like that. How hard is it to coach something that may not come, you know, not to be on instinct to be told there? That's a very difficult question to answer, being honest, because, you know, you're talking about the best league, probably in the world, senior international players who have played, I'm sure Glenn Johnson has many an English cap over 2040 international caps, and probably would be down to be one of the best players in England over the last 10 years, and you're talking about school by defending. So it's very, very difficult to coach. My scenario would be, if you have a man, don't let him score and do whatever it takes, you'll see a lot of dragon and penalties given. I'm sure that's going to turn its corner and give a lot more penalties will happen, but again, if you're marking somebody and he scores, it's down to your fault and why, and then that has to be assessed at the end of the game. I think an awful lot of people who would roll in by that. Yeah, no, I think it's a fair point that Marx makes, it's just that, okay, it's self-restarting when you see something- Oh, it is. Oh. If you're managing the team and you're seeing the same player that makes the same mistake all the way down. Absolutely, absolutely. There has to become a point where you say to yourself, look, I can't deal with this anymore, and let's change it. Yeah. I agree. And there is a good, a lot of young players there are playing with the under 20 wands and stuff like that. Yeah. A couple of good Irish boys there too, to be fair, so. Do you think it's interesting that Brendan, who has a spouse right the way through his his tenure as Liverpool manager and beforehand about, you know, having faith in youth and putting them in? Yes. And then maybe in this time of sort of like where there is, you know, a little gap? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I thought he was going to do it. The last European game that we were beating in unfortunately was, who was that against? Madrid. Madrid, yeah, a bigger part. He had an 11 starting team and was one of the captain of the England under 19s, was playing in what they had the yellow babes and training session and had one on. So I thought he was going to play him at right back and unfortunately he didn't. What do you think your man, man? I'm a big fan of him. I think he's like, he's what you want in a defender? He is. Yeah. He looks big. He looks strong. He looks aggressive. It's just something that they haven't had in a long time. Yeah. And I suppose when we were talking about this and we talked about it loads, like when you look at the way we've conceded goals from, you know, from from set pieces, from a loan cross is to come into the box and that things develop. He seems to be the ideal type of player that you'd want in it. So if you were to take out what the transfer of business we've done over the summer, the two full back stand out as our best bits of business. Yeah. Yeah. I agree totally. Again, it's again, for me, again, defenders defend. It's all nice and lovely watching fellas coming out dribbling with the ball, but forced and foremost a defender must defend. Lock the cross. Be aggressive. Yeah. You know, attack the ball, as you say. Stop it at the source. Lock the crosses. Stuff like that. Again, as we go back, this is what we're coaching at under 16. Yeah. Under 17 international teams. And these are top senior international players with on the bill. Yeah. They're the basics for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. To move it up the pitch a little bit. Mark, if you don't mind. I'm not sure. We all there's been a lot of talk about the diamond and maybe should should he revert to the diamond. He seems to be stubbornly refusing to do that. What about the idea? Because clearly Daniel storage God bless him and wonderful football, but he seems fragile. What about the idea of maybe playing playing Sterling as a surrogate for him and sticking with the diamond. Going for it and keeping that. It seemed to be successful. Yeah. It can be. But again, as Brendan has his own philosophy and he doesn't want me and you telling them that's what he should do unfortunately. Yeah. But I think as you said, I think we all can see that that's that was probably the better way to go. Yeah. We don't have the big center forward, although Lammer is that type of player, but we need somebody better than him. I think to get balls down and bring the link players in and play off. Is that something you talk to coaches about having to courage your convictions even when everyone's hammering you? Like we often would be. I think 99% of managers have to stick to their own philosophy. If they change and go with what Chairman say, what fans say, that's just keeping the peace and that's only a little stop gap before you get the bullet. In your own experience, how much does faith intervene in an awful lot of the things you do? Well, we would have said like we were on talkmen of last week as well that, you know, Brendan last year, "true injuries" was forced to play continue, says, as a sort of failure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's where he seemed to play for the remainder of the season. Yeah. The diamond comes out of injuries as opposed to choice when he lost Stevie in the fourth half of the season and he played Lucas and then he played Henderson and Allen. That's correct. Put him around him. How much does that, like, you know, wear a fake wig and sport to put you and find a system that works? And you just naturally fall into it. Back into it. Yeah. Yeah. Like how much does that play? It's hard being honest because, again, it's your force into that, you know, that's the cards you're dealt with this week, picking up injuries like we're looking at the Irish team last night. Yeah. Probably our two best players in Houlihan and McCarty were missing. They're the ideal people that you wouldn't need to put your foot on the ball to go and win a game like that and, unfortunately, that's what the way Liverpool is at the moment. That is the way Liverpool is. Like, look, look, we're after monopolizing a lot of your precious time marks so we should try to wrap it up. I want to wrap it up by asking a question that's been on me mind here because it involves this lad over here. What we can see is actually quite adept at talking. But he's always telling us he was a brilliant keeper, right? We have to listen to stories. I can't tell you, Mark. Oh, God. It just goes on. The stories. He reckons that when he and you used to come up against each other on a football pitch that you never scored directly on them. Please tell me that's not true. It can't be true. No way. That's very going through. That's my own talk. I do remember upon a fabulous day of one Sunday morning in the freezing cold down in Banger and... You're not in the rebound. Yeah. I think we won that day. That's what I like that. Mark, thanks a bit. Brilliant. Pleasure being here. Thanks, fellas. Thanks a lot. Okay. Crystal Palace versus Liverpool, what level do we want to see? Let's start with the defence. They've sackled a lot of people. He's getting a lot of publicity, like these very, very, very visible these days. What is benefactors, or sorry, being a benefactor, really. Should he get a game? Do we get? Well, he seems to be getting pushed quite heavily with both the club and the echo doing some big pieces with him. He's come out and talked about leadership, which is interesting because it's an adjective that's been used by Rogers to describe Lovren, who is his director competitor for the spot. So I think that's an interesting dynamic to keep an eye on. I think the question of a sack is going to be as he fit. He's come back from a pretty long way off, and he hasn't had much game time. It was probably, could be seen as a risk to throw him straight in cold against Palace, but then Lovren has been so out of form, and there's probably an argument that he needs a break from the limelight, and probably a game on the bench wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to him. So I would definitely sit Lovren out, and then potentially look at maybe Toure coming in. Toure should definitely start, and then if Sako has proved himself in training and looks good, then I think a Sako Toure partnership would definitely be worth taking a look at. We're looking at the defense in a bigger picture in the men's book. Just to stick with Sako for a moment, Paul, again, you don't see an interview where he's not talking up his leadership skills, or his heart, or somebody else is doing a form, and to be fair, those of us who like him as a player can say that and want to see more now on the pitch. Would you be very much in the camp to want to see him start this weekend? Why the hell listening out to start? Yeah, well, he's my favorite defender at the club, basically, in terms of centre backs anyway. Yeah, he's basically like a human being, like Lovren at the moment, so I'd throw him in as fitness permitting, even if he could get most of the game out of him, and he had to come off later on. I would not agree with Dave bringing Toure in as well. So the two are a Sako thing for you as well. Phil, would you make that three out of three there? Yeah, I said it last week. Toure, Sako, start from Egan's Palace. The rest are wrong, you just don't start. The likelihood is, of course, that they won't, the likelihood is that it will be Martin again, all day. Oh, obviously. No! God! No, God! Please, no! No! No! Phil has a new toy. No. Honestly, okay, one, just no, one, two, I keep thinking back to that Palace game last year, and Skirtle was fucking horrific, and your man was fucking abysmal, and I don't want to say that again, and then given the form that Lovern has taken in to this, he's even dropped for Croatia at this stage. What about what Dave was saying that Sako wasn't too much better, really, and that again? Yeah, but he's playing alongside Skirtle. You know what I mean? The problem here, the common denominator remains, Sako looks better when he wasn't alongside Skirtle. I've got a lot better when he wasn't alongside Skirtle, to be fair. Yeah, I agree with you. But again, he still has that fatal one-error again that he's been having, and that's something I think he needs to be taken out of it at the moment, maybe given some games in the League Cup where he can get a bit of farm, get a bit of confidence in himself, back into it. Well, we've got little rats around the corner, you know, maybe you're playing, and that one, but they did target. Little rats are targeting the last game in terms of, you know, he's going to dive in, and they look to play balls down to the channel that he was playing. So, but again, no, it has to be, for me, Sako's fit, Sako must start, because you can't keep losing games and keep playing the same players who keep making the same mistakes, which keep cast on those games, and I expect- Wouldn't you? Yeah. Well, really? I mean, the reality is if Skirtle plays, Balassie is just going to go after him. I mean, I'm petrified of Balassie running at Skirtle, because that's, you know, nailed on the Hello Card, nailed on free kicks, nailed on penalties, you know, it's just Skirtle is not going to be able to deal with a powerful, quick player like Balassie, whereas Tory, he's actually, I think, quicker to Skirtle, but he's smart than a Skirtle, and he's not going to go diving into those types of challenges. Jeez, his famous last words. Well, to be fair, Skirtle, Tory, you know, his errors are much more magnified than Skirtle's errors. We, because they have a calamitous nature to it, they look ridiculous, his reaction is ridiculous. But actually his error, I mean, I'm not a statistician, but his all-round game is much stronger. He handles bigger players and more powerful players, much better than Skirtle does, considering Skirtle is an impressive physical specimen. He really bottles those types of challenges, and I think of all the discussions around the defense, you know, we've talked about it, loads on this part around Martin Skirtle. It's difficult to judge anyone when they play in next to Skirtle, you know, and it's pointless change in lovering or change in sack or change in Tory if Skirtle's the constant, when he's been at fault for, you know, the defensive line that we hold, he's been at fault for his inability to manmark, he's been at fault for his inability to deal with runners, and you know, for me, changing the person who plays next to Skirtle is like, it's just irrelevant. OK, what about either side of him? I think probably everyone in the room here wants to see our two young Spaniards on the flanks. What do you think is likely of that, given the two weeks off? Well, I mean, what's interesting about Glenn Johnson and Lovren is they've both been dropped by their international sides, Miss Johnson was dropped from the squad, and if Roy Hodge said he's impatiently, you know, I think that, you know, you're already doing something really, really good. You're doing something really, really, really good. Look, considering Roy Hodge, I could probably remember seven names of players, and I would imagine Glenn Johnson being quite an easy one to remember is one of them. He still doesn't pick you for the squad. That's how bad your form has been. Look, are you planning against fit? Flanagan starts. If Flanagan's not fit, manquillo starts. If manquillo has one leg, manquillo starts, you know, unless there is literally no one else who can play right back, then Glenn Johnson doesn't start. He'll probably start because I think Rogers will start him. You know, and I think broadly, though, you know, the selection against Parris is going to tell us a lot about how's the manager taking the opportunity over the last two weeks to have a real word at himself and say, okay, actually, something's got to give you. This is a massive point, Paul, isn't it, that Dave's raising here? I think an awful lot of people are thinking this, and are nervous now the weekend, nervous about the lineup, because we're waiting to see, has Glenn learned that in lessons? Yeah. I was distraught when I saw the lineup against Chelsea, and I saw the players that he brought back in, because remember, I was in here after the Madrid match. Yeah, and he's dropped them all. He's dropped them all. Are you giving everybody a chance? Yes. And then I was getting ready to go out for the Chelsea match, and you know, the line that popped up on Twitter, and it just ruined my whole weekend for the match. I said, for fucks sake, the same people just brought back in. So yeah, he really, from here on in, he really has to stack and make some proper changes. And I think it's an indictment on the defense that we're saying, Colletore has to start, because he's in his third, he was like, you know, a kind of short-term sign, and just as a tag experience saying, and we've got like, Skirtles kind of, he's kind of nearly a veteran at this stage, but we've got the young people like Sacco, and we've got like Lovren was just signed and wears pink, and like Jesus Colletore has to start, you know, he absolutely has to, and it's just an indictment on how bad I defend, and it's been so far this season. But I think it's also about saying something's got to give when the performance is not poor, something there's got to be a sense of, and I think the reason people got angry at the Chelsea game was the concept of a meritocracy seemed to go, you know, there was like this concept of, if you play poorly, like, you know, I'm telling you now, if Emma Jean had a game as poorly as Glenn Johnson has, Rodgers are dropping for three games, you know, he like, and he'd outwardly say he's disappointed because the certain players that he feels, and don't get me wrong, I think there's certain decisions we'll come out to talk to that are much more difficult for Rodgers. I think the Jared thing is a much more difficult decision than the Johnson decision is. So for me, I want to see him making, for me, with a low-hand your fruit decisions, which is Johnson's an easy decision that defines it, you know, the center backs are easy decisions right now. Jared's a difficult decision that, but if you can't do these ones, he's never going to do Jared. He's never going to come on to that, you know? Like, going back to last season, because, you know, Colin Wanker's team is the exact same as Tommy Pearce's, right? You know, they play the same way, he's going to look to just fucking be in us all the time, kick and play us all out in us, literally. They're going to... I'm in you. They're just going to... It's just going to be a fucking... I'm fucking imagining... I won't be saying that now, as well. I'm pulling us in the nip just behind him in the shatters. They're going to be agriculture and the way they approach the game, it's not going to be... They're not going to attempt to play football, they're going to look to sit deep in the right direction. But, you know, all they're going to do is look to disrupt any type of attempt for us to get a flow of football going, although we aren't exactly in full flow like we were when we played in the last time. But, you know, they're going to be agriculture and the way they approach the game. It's not going to be... They're not going to attempt to play football, they're going to look to sit deep in the and catch us on the break, which are weak to, and they're going to look to win free kicks around the edge of the box. So, what do we do? We try to limit our exposure to that type of thing. And when it comes back to it, you say, you know, you play your best cover in fallbacks for a start, which is the two Spanish lads, right? Like, there's no question about this. Mateo Moreno are the best fallbacks by a fucking country, 20 miles at the club at this moment in time, right? There isn't even a question about it, right? And he would have a selection there, it's folly at this stage, given the predicament that we're in in the... Yeah, it's that simple now. It's that simple, right? And then you look at the centre back and you say, well, you know what, you're going back to Torre's performance. Torre can put in an 80% of the performance he did against Ray on the Dread in a league match, which he will be up for because he'll probably feel aggrieved that he didn't get to get the nod against Chelsea, right? He's there with the experience that will talk along the likes of Mankio that will settle him in, you know, and bring his game on. And the great thing about Mankio is he'll cover Torre, you know, and Torre will cover his position and that's the one thing that doesn't cover his order defenders. The same, Sacco covers his order centre back and he also covers his left back and, you know, again, going back to the whole thing, you just have defenders that play as defenders essentially because the likelihood is that the same thing's going to happen again if you play the other tree and I don't believe in any way, shape or form that by changing your whole defence around that you're going to get a worse performance than what's been delivered for the last five, six, seven weeks with the fellas that he's been putting in. I mean, I think that just to manage expectations, I think he's not going to drop all three, right? He's not. That's the reality. But something's got to give and it has to be either, for me, it has to be a decision that's sent to half because I think the Johnson, Mankio thing is a little bit of an alternate until Flanagan becomes fair. We're not really going to know where Johnson fits in his thinking and says, "It's forced choice." But if you look at the minutes played, to be fair, if you look at the minutes played, they're pretty even, Mankio and Johnson in the league, okay, but whatever. My point is, I can understand Mankio, Mankio is a star for me, right? But I don't think he's going to drop both sent to halfs, right? I think he's going to drop a skirt, a land lover. But something's got to give that, there's got to be, either you bring Sacco in instead of a lover, right? And you say, "That's a big call, lover, and I hasn't played well." So it isn't a fact that he's my guy and bring a Sacco in, which I think is a positive step, and then you'll see what happens, or he brings Sacco, Otore, and far, Skirtle. He's got to do one of those. If he starts with Skirtle, Lovren, and Johnson, and then Jared as the DM, then I would genuinely be frustrated, probably for the first time under Rogers in a long time, where he just isn't learned, he is not making what I think are easy decisions, and that worries me when it comes to making much, much more difficult decisions. Right, let's talk about one of those big decisions, which is further ahead. You've flagged it up already with Jared, and we've given that he's going to start. Okay, so if he does, what do we do around him? Well, I think we need to give Jared the opportunity, you know, we've talked about Balotelli, right? And every time we talk about Balotelli, we say, "Yeah, but we've got to see him in the system, let's shoot him," right? So I think Jared, to be fair, we have to say, does he play better when we play the diamond, which I assume we're going to play to up front. So if we do that, that's the system you've got to play, and you've got to play Jared, and you've got to say, "Okay, was it always a systemic thing that's exposed Jared?" And actually when we put Henderson and Jan, or Henderson and Coutinho, or Coutinho and Jan, or I don't know whatever it is, when we put them centrally in around him, that actually he's much better, he's much stronger. So I think he deserves that opportunity, I think he's going to start, but he's got to play in a diamond, or in a three in midfield, but this is crunch time for loads of our players. It's crunch time for Jared, it's crunch time for Balotelli, if that doesn't work, if in the diamond it doesn't work, which is the system the minimum looks successful last season, then it's a big decision. And it comes back to if he's not making the easy decisions, what do we do when he's going to make that big decision? Paul, if he's going to go with the diamond, I think a lot of people want to see it, and for the first time that it seems as if it might be possible with storage back in the reckoning. If Jared sit in there at the base with which he will be, who do you put on the two either side of them, and it's slightly ahead of them, presuming startings at the tip of it? I'd probably go with Jan and Coutinho. So you'd drop Henderson out at the moment because of the form? I think he's playing poorly, and I think we're going to need some invention in there as well. Okay. More than we'll need legs, I think, at the moment. Right. I know, obviously, they're kind of the disclaimer when you're playing Jared, is he has to have legs beside him? That's what I wouldn't play him before, isn't he? I'd just play on and at the base of it. But yeah, I'd probably put Jan and Coutinho then with Sterling ahead of them. Jan and Coutinho, Phil, what do you reckon to that? I've played my scroun on a bandsaw. No, I'd say I'm not contradicting myself from last week. I wouldn't play Jared. He will play Jared. And if we do, then yes, I agree with Dave, it has to be in a diamond. But I would play Jan and I would play Henderson alongside him purely because they're going to stack the midfield with the foot three grisliest bears they can possibly find in the dressing room. They'll have Zeddnack in there, and they'll just go around and look the kick players all over the shop. Right? And I don't, you know, for me then that's why I put in my most physical midfielders. Sometimes I think Alan can get lost and those battles against the lower teams who just basically were able to destroy and camp in their own half. That's where I think Alan struggles. I think he's fine when he goes up against the midfields and say, "Look, city is something where they look to pass around you. He can nick in, make interceptions, take balls, and he'll have a bit of space to play around in." But when a team just sits on block in the fence and looks to break all the time, I think that's where he doesn't have as much space to operate in when he does get on the ball. It should be fair. He's probably still nursing his head after that clown elbow then, yes. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, if you're playing Gerard, then it has to be Jan and Henderson in a diamond. And then it's who you pick at the point of the diamond. I wouldn't play Henderson. Look. No, no, but in that you said if you play Gerard, you'd play Jan and Henderson, I'd play Jan and Coutinho with Paul. No, no, but my take for this game anyway is that I just think we're going to meet. I think, as I said, the Wankers team are just going to look to fucking kick and kick and kick and kick and kick. I think, again, Coutinho and Alan might struggle in that type of game. I think they're ideal to bring in a bit like QPR. We brought Coutinho in at 60 minutes and he changes the game for us. I think in that situation where they've tired themselves out a bit, he then gets space and he can break into space and create stuff for Alan, especially if he has storage back and he has the run and the sterling again. And you know, you didn't have ballad telly. So I just, as I said, I'm just changing. Look, for me, that's what I do. But if I had the option, I wouldn't play Gerard at all and I'd play Coutinho, Henderson, Chan because I think that gives you more freedom to rotate around your midfield and you got it. Or you can even play Alan, Chan, and Henderson and not have set points in a diamond. They can all rotate around the actual three positions before you get to the top. And let it be noted as well that Emery Chan is a constant for all of us here. Yeah, for a starter. Absolutely. So he probably won't start. But he's the only one about midfielders in any type of form. Yeah. And he could actually monster that. Yeah, he could. I mean, people are talking Coutinho up, but Coutinho wasn't great. Like, yeah, it's been great the last few. But he's coming back in from fairness to a bit like, you know, but I still think, I still think, you know, going away to Crystal Palace is not a Coutinho game. It's not like he's never run a game like that. No, you know, he hasn't, he's net, you know, but as I said, his impact, that's why I'm saying to you at 60 minutes, his impact happens when they start a tour. And then that's where he finds space to play his balls and just on Gerard if you're not playing, if you weren't to play Gerard, would you play four, two, three, one, then? If it was to play him. If you weren't to play him, you mentioned Henderson and John in the midfield. Because my nervousness on John, the more I watch him is, a lot of people want to see him at the base of the diamond. I actually think he's wasted there. Well, see, again, I, like, I have this thing in my head and it talks to me all the time. Just another lap and a more Cyril you got, isn't it? No, but like, I think if you go with a John Henderson midfield, you don't necessarily have to play three or a diamond or four, two, three, one, I think you can, you can almost replicate what Raya Madrid did to us in the Champions League where you can play two slightly tucked in on the on the left and right hand side because your fallbacks can get on at that at that point. And he could play Chan and Henderson because they can both go box the box and then he can play a continue and you can play Sterling or if you need, like, you know, there's more options. You could play Lelana one side. You could play Sterling the other side. And he could even if if, if Ballotelli's fitness is anyway questioned about, oh, you can play continue off storage the way he did when Suarez was out in that four C. No, it's just that the image on is the DM thing that more I watch him, the more I think I just I think we lose something from him if we were just asking him to sit there at the base of the diamond. Would you play Alan there? Yeah, I'd play Alan ahead of Jan and dare I say, if we had to play someone as a defensive midfielder, I'd play Alan and I'd play Lucas ahead of playing genre. If we had to play someone at the deepest midfield, but like you, no, but like you, I wouldn't play that system. If you, I'd play four, three, three and Paul Ballotelli us, or Sturridge are wide and have three or taken in the midfield. Well, look, look, we've got if we've got, if we're hoping to see Ballotelli and Sturridge together, which I think we all are. Paul, are we looking at Ballotelli's last chances here with Palace and Ludegred in close succession? I mean, if we're losing the Champions League, we're pretty much done. We're losing the Premier League. We're in serious trouble for fourth place, you know, psychologically speaking, even the people. We're not actually, these are massive games. I know they all are, but these are massive games. We really need him to kick on and chill something here alongside Sturridge, don't we? Yeah, I'd say so. I'd probably give him a couple of games anyway with Sturridge coming back. I think a lot of extreme stuff, when it comes to Ballotelli, he just seems to inspire kind of extreme stuff. So I wouldn't say this is his last chance with Sturridge's first game back. If he doesn't work now, like, yeah, but I do think people kind of, I think excuses are made from because I don't think someone with his skills set should have been so bad up front on his own. Like, he's big, he's mobile, he's skillful, so I don't think he should have been that bad. But at the same time, I wouldn't say, I think he does need to get a bit of time with playing with Sturridge. Hopefully it will kind of kick off straight away. Sturridge is going to be fully filled, obviously, but against Spurs, I thought they were really good together. So it's the only game they've played together, so hopefully it will. Is everyone else on Danny Sturridge Twitter watching this? His updates? I have a worry in general that, you know, it's not just about Italian, but like, Sterling has sort of dipped in form and played in the system that we've been playing in. You know, if you look at his best game for, well, his best part of his performance for England on the other night was when he was at the tip of the diamond, you know, where he plays in that number 10 position and he can drift void on either flank and he can cut on with attack players or he can... I thought he was better when he moved wide, actually, and he had the freedom to come inside, but he was more dangerous in that area. Yeah, yeah. But he can never... You've got the judgement when he's playing hard, some more. I think when you start to lose something when he's just, you know, when he's been asked to play primarily as one of the wide players in the tree behind the central striker, because and it's common through the whole lot. The tree, the players that are playing in the wide position of the tree aren't playing like we would have seen at the best of times on the raffle where they go and attack the box when the ball breaks on the opposite flank. And I think that's one of the biggest let-downs in that actual system and it's... We get a lot of balls into the box and that just crosses, but chances come away and two wide men always seem to be too far outside the box. They never seem to be in and around where say Count would have always tucked himself in and scored his goals from there. I'm having Count Riera flashbacks here. Yeah, I know, but that's how... If you want to play that system properly, that's how it held those wide forwards, because they are wide forwards essentially, you know, they have to go and play. And just looking at... I would like to see... I would like to see the two up top, but I'm sort of wondering, and I wouldn't put a pass, Brendan, if you put Ballotelli on the bench and started Storage as a long forward. Oh, Jesus Christ. No, because he... Can you imagine? Yeah, and going back to the very start of the season when we had Lambert there, he started with Storage up top on his own and Storage was... People forget this, Storage was incredibly muted for 70 minutes of that same... So time to game. He was basically not in the game because he's not good as a long center forward. And Lambert came on and took some of the players away from them, then it created space from them. And I think it's something that Brendan himself hasn't really helped out by playing one center forward up front. If you're wide forwards and getting in and around the actual central forward, it's very easy for a defense to market team out of the game. And if you lose your focal point at the top, you know, you're going to struggle to score a goal. And that the evidence is what we've done all season with struggled to score a goal. I think you're absolutely right. I think that I've given him an easier ride for not playing to up front because I think the rest of us are straight as a shit. So I think that there is not a competitive argument to start rigging Lambert or Barini or whatever, despite the way everyone talks him up, as if just putting these guys in a different system, suddenly we'll turn him into a storage. It won't. Barini is not a storage. Lambert is not good enough. We can't pretend that just by sticking him up front with Ballotelli he's going to fix it. So he's got to try it, I think, with the two up front, unless Ballotelli isn't quite fit. Because the only thing that fixes any of these problems is more goals. We scored the same number of goals as Crystal Palace. We scored 14, they've scored 14. It fixes everything. Score more goals, it fixes everything because it relieves the pressure that's where around the field. Obviously it's a confidence boost, it means that the team has to come in the tackier means you can use your patient and go in behind. This system that we've had so far has been imperfect because we've got imperfect players to play it. The theory has to be the storage transforms it. But if you play the same system just replacing Ballotelli with storage, then it isn't actually going to fix anything because we're not going to score more goals. Talk to me about Crystal Palace and the threat that they possess. I know you've done a bit of homework there first. The truth of the matter today is there is nobody that we could play right now that we wouldn't be worried about. But all the teams. Did you find yourself looking at this team? Even our reserve team. But that's the reality. Did you find yourself looking at this squad like I did and scan and enter it and go basically most of their strikers, I'd prefer it on what we have. Even though none of them are up to much. I take two of their players. I take Edenak and I take Balassie in a heartbeat. I take both of those players. I think you stick Balassie on our left wing in a 4-3-3 or something like that. I mean, he's not the most finessed player but he's going to destroy Skirtland Johnson if he plays. I mean, he's a real danger. So he's someone thought go for it. Who else? So, if he Edenak's fit. I mean, he didn't play the last game. So he wasn't, I'm not sure how fit he's going to be, but if he plays he's a very good player for him. I think he was suspended actually. Was he suspended? I think he got sent off to the end. Oh, maybe you're right. Well, he might be back then. And then Dwight Gayo's got five goals this season, which is more than any of our players. So, you know, they've got good players throughout the squad. Now the problem they got is they haven't won in five games. They've only won two games all season. They've drawn one and lost four of their last five games. Yeah, for once in the first or second of September or something like that. Well, I think Walnut won his first game back and then I don't think it all may be Drew and then one. You know, they're in a bad run of form and actually I think Walnut's the joint favourite to get sacked at the moment. So they're in a bad run of form. But the reality of Sky Sports News need Neil Warnock on a tractor for transfer. But they've scored the same number of goals as us. They've just conceded. They've conceded five more. That's it. They've, you know, we both got 14. We can see the 15. They've conceded 20. So like, but as I said, we could be playing, you know, I can't even think, you know, I can't even think of a bad team that would, you know, would illustrate how bad we are at the moment. Ireland. Ireland. I mean, we could be playing the Legends team that Liverpool just talked to Thailand and we'd still, I still would feel like there's people there that can hurt us because you've got, but you, which why we were talking about the system, for me, you've just got to blow this team. You've got to blow them away. You've got to put as many attacking players on the field because goals fixes it score loads of goals. That should be. That's the goal of goals. Why isn't it? Why isn't he thinking of that? That's what he's going to do. Paul, your own take in Chris the Palace and if there's anything we should particularly do. I mean, the horrible thing I find about them is that like when you look at their players, they're filled with kind of, you know, kind of average players who can play well. And average players tend to play well against us and like score like what you call them, Fraser Campbell. Oh, okay, player. You can see him kind of running around quite a lot like he's mobile, he's decent in the year. Like he's decent enough for an issue. You can see him kind of having one of these days where he just shows up. Oh, I'll have my kind of, my first good game in 20 fucking years or whatever he can say. Since the last game against us. Last game that Dave mentioned, Dwight Gail, we mentioned him. I think the only thing he did yesterday are last season was score against Liverpool and both games. Yeah. You can see like I think they tend to bring him on late on as well. God, he's definitely going to. He's so small. I think Skirtle doesn't know what to say. What the fuck was that? And that goes back to the original point, right? You know, looking at their threats, you know, they've got Zaha as well, right? So, and he plays well for Crystal Palace. But like you look at it and you say, where does the threats come from? From white areas and the pace against the defence. And what does every one of that back fucking can do, right? Like seriously. The biggest age of men for Crystal Palace and Martin Skirtle and Glenn Johnson, that's the reality, right? They're made. Yeah. They're made for this to just run past them. They're made for them to just run up, stop, and then to not even do a trick and just run past them. And I know it's to just go, what's going on? That's without the return of Simon Minnily who went missing the last two games and we've actually seemed to have a pretty competent goalkeeper. So, I mean, he's bound to come back sooner on it. You know, we shouldn't, you know, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be talking about their threats. We should be talking about how we're going to exploit their weaknesses in terms of their centre backs and all that type of stuff. And like we're going to, Martin Kelly is going to be looking to have the game of his life because he's up against his former club. And, you know, we should be looking to exploit the looks. Martin Kelly is going to score, won't he? No, no, no. Oh, no, no. We should be looking to exploit Scott Dan. Of course he should. Of course he should. You know, there are two centre backs in terms of what we can do. And you'd imagine, storage fit, there's a bit of pace there. But by the telly, we have a bit of physicality when, you know, when storage is alongside him. But unfortunately, we're so low on confidence. Even as a fan base, we're so low on confidence. We're worried about what average players could potentially do to this one. And they play, they play Shamak behind Canva. So if they're launching balls, like long balls up in the air, and if we play Skirtland Lovern, you've got Skirtle going to go, oh, shit, oh, shit, go, go, go, go, go. Back towards me, I'm gone. You've got Lovern going. I'm gone. Don't worry about it. I'll get that ball. It's underneath it. So like, there's kind of two big, huge galutes, like, they're like, there's because Shamak, and then like, you know, about 15 yards ahead of him. It's almost Campbell. So like, there's two people we can lose that in the head. You know, actually, if I was about 10, Dejan, you do not ever come out of that back line to win a header from a long ball, and Skirtle, you go and you win every header that comes out for long ball. You get a little touch, Mac, and you go to Campbell, because if you're looking at the two skill sets, that's the way. Dejan, all the way around. But look, the reality is, if Skirtle and Lovern are playing, then, you know, we're going to be ready and out. But, you know, we've been quite down here, but we should talk about Daniel Starridge, because the reality is, Daniel Starridge, I've said, you know, transforms this site. He is a world-class player. And the reality is, putting a world-class player can be the difference between things not clicking, which they haven't this season, and things suddenly clicking. So the right selection, and look, we'll all have slightly different views of what the right selection is, but certainly some different selections to what we've seen so far. And Daniel Starridge up front, I tell you, it transforms the site. Well, the world-class player just scores gold, which is what we're missing. We're not scoring golds. And Daniel Starridge guarantees you golds, and storage reality. Storage sterling ballotelli against bores, right, was a potent attack, because there's movement everywhere, they can, one, Sterling can go either way. I know it's cleverness. Yeah. Storage was able to read ballotelli's flicks and things around the corner. It occupies center backs. Like, if they're able to deal with the decent center backs that spores have, right, then, you know, they're more incapable of taking that. It's the occupying center backs. That's the bet. We don't give opposition defenses anything to worry about, because we know what ballotelli is going to do. I mean, ballotelli must be a dream to play against when he plays on his own, because he always wants to go deep. Yeah. So as a center, as a center back, you're going, "Great." He's going to be behind me. He's wrapped off, and then I'll let him go and get the ball, and then I'll let him come towards me. Yeah. And then he's going to shoot. 50 yards. But then going back to our strengths, if you play the two Spanish fallbacks, and we're talking about the pace of theirs, right? Look, I've no fear about my KO handling Balassian on their left hand side, right hand side. I've no problem with Moreno, because he's an excellent cover in fallback. Like, if you're going to just put Zaha up against him to try and take him on down the thing, Moreno will have that all day long. He's full of pace. He's well able to get up and down. Nose went to Nick attack, and nose went to, you know, to cover the center backs in the whole arc. So we've got a lot of strengths. And if you put our two really powerful midfielders in there, and Henderson and Jan, we've got more to match up with the Chris, we've got a better sentiment field. You know, it's just about not doing stupid, stupid events of things. There you go. And that's it. Yeah. In a nutshell. Okay. Well, look at that. We've pretty much talked around the team there and what we want to see. So let's get predictions pulled. How do you think this was going to go? I'll go to one to us. Two on Liverpool. What do you think? Dave. Look, this is hope rather than expectation in a way. But something has to have clicked to Rogers over the last two weeks, that the only way this turns around is by scoring goals. And we've got to put loads of players on the field that help us score goals. If we do that, we'll win well. It was worth remembering we were three in a lot last year with, you know, 20 minutes to go. I mean, you know, and the vast majority of that side still exists. So I think we'll win three one, three one, so slightly more definitive than Paul's. I see you win as well, but I think it's going to hinge on what Dave's talking about, which is lessons learned, Phil. Honestly, I think the fact that we probably look like an easy kill at this moment in time for an hour team probably suits us because it'll be the first time in the world that we'll go to somewhere where we won't be backed off the board as outright favourites. Palace would probably think that, you know, we can probably get a point here or we can nick something here. And that might actually just give us a bit more space than we normally get in this type of game. So I reckon Palace for now. Thank God for that. Look, if we get out tactic by Colin Wanker, this part is going to be a blue fucking murder next week. So nothing new. Yeah. Okay. Fucking Neil Warner. Good Lord. Yes. I have loose worried. You are listening to drippers chat. Right. Let's do some fucking drippers. Okay. Let's have a bit of a chat and then talk about the loan situation, which has come up from a few people. I suppose it's there are three or four questions. So we're trying to combine the whole thing in January. Would you look to recall some of the loans? We're looking at the likes of Jordan Ibbe, Origi, Aspus, Alberto, that's a Edie. That's a Edie. I don't worry. Is there anyone you'd look to bring back? I'd look to bring back. Yeah. Go on. I'd look to bring back Oib. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said Mark, which I don't know. And I'd look to bring Oib back into the squad. Of course, wisdom and quieters as well. Now, I think wisdom is better off where he is. Quieters has been out injured. So he hasn't played much football at all for Sunday Land. So you'd look at Jordan Ibbe and... And probably a Laurie. I don't worry. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good show. Because then I'd bring Bjorn Torgrami back. Shut the defence away. It's gone this season. We'll merge Trufficon. Yeah. So yeah, I'd give him a goal. I think Dave, Dave disagreed here when we were on a float with this earlier. But I think Louis Alberto would have a decent shot of getting into our midfield the way it's played this season. Do you reckon? No. Because I liked him whenever I saw him last season. And I thought it was a bit... I think he got pissed and went out driving his car with him. No, he did. He was a cut-drum driving or something. I think maybe that kind of had a bearing on Roger's not kind of picking him or maybe he didn't train. Well, I don't know. But I was hoping he came on. He looked well. The train where it was... I was a funny one to maybe. I've known all the players down through the years who are just shy trainers, right? And you often hear stories like the likes of Hammond was meant to be an absolute rubbish trainer when he was at the club. And I know they put so much effort to sport something to know. But there has to be some times that you say, you know, just because the lads just can't be arsed and trained and doesn't mean he can't be arsed when he goes out onto a football pitch. And there is a fair amount to struggle to get up to match pace when they're in training and stuff like that. I'm always nervous about people who say, well, you know, it all comes down to training. Well, you wouldn't be surprised here that someone like Carlos Tevez was a shit trainer. He's probably brilliant. But you wouldn't be surprised. And then you just put it all in and then... But I think there's players who... I think very guaranteed start, that being shit and training probably doesn't matter so much. But if you're a young player trying to break into the side, that's the only opportunity you're going to get is to show how good you are in training, because you're not going to get the minutes in their first team. So I agree. I mean, I think if you're Carlos Tevez, like people know what you can do, so no one's going to give a shit really what you are like in training as long as you're doing it at the weekend. But if you're Lewis Alberto, and you're not putting it in training, then you're not going to get the time. And you're going to end up going to Marlegar and... Who'd you let's see coming back then? Or Israel? Hey, he's going to free kickman. He hit the bar with another free kickman. I mean, he kicked it really hard. He kicked it really hard. But even then, I think... I wouldn't want... No, no, no. I was going to say... I mean, even then, it's a bit of a crime like to bring a Regan, but I just think if that's our answer, then we've got so many things wrong, you know what I mean? If that's the answer, then everything else is kind of falling through, I think. I genuinely don't think there's anyone we've got out on loan who comes in as starts for us. Like I generally don't. It's a terrible way to stitch up a kid anyways. The idea of throwing extra money at him already done deal and then come in and save. But I also think, what's the worst that's going to happen this season? The worst that's going to happen, right? We finish seven. We're not going to get there. The worst that happens is we finish seven or three, right? There's nothing as a Regan stops that from happening. So what? You're going to cut off six months of his development. We've been playing every week so he can sit on the bench, you know, while we potentially struggle to an eighth place finish. Same with Jordanite, but I wouldn't bring Jordanite back. First of all, I don't think he plays in what is our best system. I don't think he gets in that side. So we're going to end up playing, you know, four, two, three, one or four, three, three, which I don't think he's good enough. And again, I think he needs to play every week. I think he's learning loads. I think he's actually, if you look at the reports coming out of, uh, out of Derby, what he's doing well is, you know, he's doing some things really well, but his decision-maker, things we'd heard about him before still isn't great. I mean, you know, there's some rumors that he's not working hard enough. I think a Lori is the most interesting shout, but like Rogers is not, if Rogers isn't going to drop Skirtle to play Touries, he's not going to drop Skirtle, Tourie and Loveran to play a Lori. He's not going to do that. No, but I suppose the question is, in our opinion, yeah, but even then, I don't think I think we've got, I think we've got better sense to have some of Lori to play. I just think, I just think that it from, you know, from what the players offer at this moment in time, I think I have offers that squad something. I don't see it. I do. I do. And he's offered it when he's come on the pitch to us before he has that little, he has that spark of genius about him. Only in preseason, at least now. He did it way of a day as well, but then, you know, I just, because we're just carrying so many passengers in the squad that, you know, I just don't, I don't see the point. No, we're just talking about who this is who we bring back off long, but that's, that's who he's the main stand out for me in terms of what he would add something to the squad. No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I don't think he's any better than Flanagan, and to be honest, like, I think Flanagan's more versed on it because wisdom apparently can play center, but he's basically never done it at senior level. So he can basically only offer us playing right back and I think Flanagan would probably do it better. I mean, I can see the Eibs shout, I get the Eibs shout, I get the wisdom shout, but actually, and they say, I know this isn't a question, but I actually, I'd rather see some of the younger players get promoted over Jordan Mabe. Yeah. Like, I'd love to see, but I'd also turn on Williams get more game time. But they, they, they play in different positions. No, I understand. And this, like, I agree with you on the roster on William Schellman, I would, you know, I, I'm ruthless, I'd go half the squad. Yeah, you've got a list of about same, I'll probably have to survive your time. I understand their Christmas with Brendan Rodgers going envelopes that's, there's not fucking three this year. That's fucking nine. And they've all got P-45s. Money. The list is on the wall. I'll see his army office in five minutes. It's happy Christmas. You don't, but we don't have the ult on loan or in the youth team is golf scorers. And that's, that's what we're missing. We haven't got like a golf scorer, Sinclair, I think it's only 17, you know, he, he's, he got a game, two seasons, he's got, but he's no idea. The first thing. Yazzle's been crippled. Yazzle's been crippled. If, if, if, if all of them, he was the one that, when we signed them, that we would have explored, you know, two crucial ligaments. You don't know if, if he's ever been, you know, I hope he does, but, you know, kind of shows like 17 a few years, a few years, a ways. So even rosters. He's a roster. He's, he can't do it. I don't really. I was like, he means a fucking, he looks big in an endless, like, if you look at units, you can imagine the unit of William Schellman, and that's in the chat on the kids. Okay. Monsters. Okay. Well, let's move it along that I know Dave, you, you, you did bring up Danny Sturridge in the, in the preview, but I think it was possibly a little bit in a downbeat context. So we should look at the, at the, the, the upside of this and the, the positivity of Danny Sturridge coming back on what, you know, we have been waiting for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And listen, you know, let's not put a fine point on this thing because, you know, air, air team warps with Danny storage and the more, the more it looks like that we weren't able to sign a replacement for Louis Suarez, the more Daniel storage was the replacement for Louis Suarez. Now, we've, we've discussed the whole thing about where we should have signed an alternate replacement. We're talking about Origi. He looks like a young Danny storage. If you look at Origi playing and, you know, there's that excitement again, he can do magical things on the ball. We've seen him last year. He's not just a scorer of tap-ins. He's a scorer of great goals as well. You know, he doesn't, he doesn't bounce around a pitch like Suarez did when he was there. But what he does is he just rings a tread. He puts the fear back into, into our front line, which has been so sorry, missing. You know, and we haven't had teams just don't fear a front line. They don't just, just don't fear us and, but storage back in the team, I can guarantee if, if Crystal Palace sees storage's name on that team sheet next week, they will all do little pills before they went on to the pitch. They want to be uncomfortable moments, turn it to me, talk a block. I don't think about storage, right? There's everyone talking about that. We shouldn't be too much pressure on him. He's fucking loving it. He wants to be the guy that's it, that comes back and rest. That's what it's saying to you early on. Every day he's saying, but he's feeling great. He was the light, he was like, he's got, he's got, when he scores, he's got to raise a T-shirt that says, "Louis Hu", like, you know, he so wants to be the main man of this, this side. I'm telling you now, the more pressure we, it's almost like, I bet in his head he kind of wished we were in the relegation zone to come back, so he'd fire us up the table when he goes back, because he's going to be. It's that moment, right? It's, of course, there's facing his last hand, and it's, the arms broke and all of a sudden the cavalry appear in the horizon. Yeah. And it's like, they just stretch back and forth. Which, that didn't end well, didn't I? Didn't end well. Let's be, let's be quick. Well, there were no season storage would be there. Let's be clear. Oh, no. In that analogy, storage isn't fighting for customer. I'm going to be honest, dear, though, right? No, but, but long term, they did win. They might have lost that button. But they did win the war. Oh, no, it's a fucking war. Yeah, I'm sure customer, the reason that, as he was like, killed, went out. I'm sure that it went the war, though. He had a wavy up. The clue was in the last hand part of the question. Yeah. Storage had been fit. It wouldn't have been his last hand. Well, hang on a second. Right. So anyway, right? Aragorn, is there a hand? Absolutely. There he goes. Very good. But to be fair, he is, I think he's going to really enjoy coming back, being the main man. I think he gives the whole team a lift. I said it on the preview. He is a world-class player. And on current form, he's the only one we've got, right? He is a world-class player. And he is, and I keep saying it, statistically, the best strike girl has ever played for Liverpool. And you're not a stats man. I am not a stats man. I am an ass man. You know, when you were talking about a player, come on back or whatever, I think the phrase adds a new dimension to the team, gets over you, but... He does add one dimension to the team. Like, if you look at the game, like, you know, against sport. What? What's wrong with you? It's brilliant. It's brilliant. Go ahead, go ahead. Against sports, like, he didn't score against sports. No, he didn't. But it was his movement and his play out, like, when he dropped from the centre out wide. And he had, like, there was other players in support. And that's what destroyed sports. I didn't think we got two of the goals from... Yeah, I think it was that set up the first goal. And then he won the penalty, basically, like, when he put Alan through. So it does offer a whole new dimension to our team. It's movement that the centre backs have to think about. And as well, obviously, he will score a lot of goals as long as he's fit. Yeah, he gives the centre backs up with the worry about, which they have nothing to worry about right now. Because Sterling is picking a ball in deep. And actually, it's interesting to watch us back. You look at Sterling, you look at Coutinho, even La Lana. They get the ball. They lock up. And they just go in. There's nothing. So I'll keep the ball. So they're all keeping the ball too long. They're all getting dispossessed. Now they've got options, because Sturridge really come deep for it. I mean, this is one of the things that is really underrated about Sturridge is he never loses the ball. He picks the ball up. He can pick it up deep. He takes two, three touches. He beats a man, and he lays it off. And to go back to the Southampton game where we talked about what the impact that Lambert made just by actually being a body up there. Now you have Balotelli, who's a better functioning body up there. I mean, he can actually hold the ball up. You would hope so. And what this does is the Balot, again, it all comes down to where the lessons have been learned. But someone should be saying to Balotelli, don't fucking move from the width of the post. You were always in that zone. That's always your area. You don't need to move, because Sturridge is going to move. Sturridge is going to go wide. I think Balotelli can do the job for Sturridge. That people think Beringy can do for Balotelli. Yes. You know, occupy the center. I think probably you as the boss. I want to change with the prediction. We're going to be Crystal Palace for one. I just think that the other thing is, you know, Sturridge will make a ball. We'll make Balotelli continue in Stern and better. You know, same as Swar, everyone used to say Swar has made everyone better. Sturridge makes people better around him as well. So, look, he's phenomenal. And let's just hope he's fit. I need a hero. To go to the other extreme with January coming up on the questions that we were asked was, who would you like to see go? I have a boss ready. The question was, basically, it was to focus on the latter adjusting, which seems, you know, a little bit impatient, but less being impatient. Of the crowd that recently arrived, is there anyone that you would put on that boss out in January? Of the summer signs we made? Yes. I think if we got an offer for Ricky Lambert, we should take it. Yeah. January, he doesn't bring anything more than Beringy's going to give us. Yeah. Would you take an offer for Beringy? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I'd still look to bring in another striker in January to augment Sturridge. No. But I'll tell you. Now, my thoughts on a rage is that if we bring him in, and Sturridge gets injured, and he's an 18-year-old kid, and all the pressure comes on him to be Sturridge, and score the amount of goals that Sturridge has gone to score, we saw how that can happen with the likes of him go. He was undoubtedly talented, but crumbled under the weight of trying to be the next artist, when Taurus was injured all the time, right? So, no. But I would, like, there's options there. And I think we could be clever in the loan market in January. We can also augment the squad, like, and bring in players who will go in to enforce them. You know, just talk about Shakiri being available. I think if you go to Beringy, they don't really want to sell him. They just go to Beringy and say, "Look, let us take him on a six-month loan." Maybe with an option to buy. It gives him, he'll want to come because it gives him game time. He can't play in the Champions League because he's cup-toid, and that augments the squad, you know, and gives us a better option than what we have at this moment in time in those four positions. Markovitch had sent out a loan, and that's not... I know, I don't read them from what I've seen. It might be something inventive to do with Ben Faker. Yeah, the copy. You know? The copy because there's talk about what was being interested in Maxi Pereira, the right back, right? But I genuinely would not mind. But if we're going to keep... If Markovitch is long-term, right, and the club see him as long-term and have faith in him long-term, I think he needs to go into a Premier League side and play. Very similar to... I don't know, send him to a Crystal Palace. Somewhere where he's gone to play nearly every single game, where he's going to get gained home, where he can make his mistakes and learn to get the grips with the Physicality of the League. And that gives him his best chance to come back next summer and make an impact on the squad. And I think that's been fair in the kit as well, because I think unfortunately for him, he's a 20 million pound sign, and that's why I don't think that loan would happen. And Johnson, we should sell him. As soon as the window's open, he should be sold, right? He should be sold on December the 24th. Okay, okay. And the reason why we should do it, his contractors will... We obviously don't want to give him another contract, right? Or we're not going to give him the contract he wants. And if we can get 400, 400,000 from... Or a million or something like that mad from Rome or something in January, take it. Take it now. The talk's always bringing in a backup rifle, a maxi prayer or something that's experienced. It still has something about his game. You go and you get him in. If we... If I had to say one of the summer sign is he... I said it a couple of weeks ago in the pod, if we get the January and Balletelli and Lovren both haven't worked, then that's... They're both in trouble, right? That's not why neither of them have. So I suppose by that, you'd have to say Lovren's in trouble as well. But I like Lovren more. So, you know, I'm really hypocrite. But I think if the window opens tomorrow and I would sell Balletelli and I'd replace it. Oh, so for you, Paul, any more for you just before we move on to the next one? I'd go for Lovren. I just kind of follow the other way with what Dave was just saying there. I just... With how ridiculously poor he's been and how much he costs, and with no kind of... There's no sign that he's going to get better at. And if we could just cut our losses, I would do it. It would provide us somebody coming in. Yeah. On a kind of tangently related thing, there's one in from Noel Kahl there that I wanted to ask you as well. I think it's a similar question. It's just coming in as well around the time. Oh, as well, same as Noel's. Okay, and this is basically asking if you had a choice between giving Jared a new contract or signing Johann Kebai in January. Which would you go for? Fucking hell. Fucking hell. Kebai. Really? Yeah. Holy shit, man, it's a big call, no? Well, Jared's, like, at the end of his career, basically, he's been fairly awful this season. So no sentiment for you straight in, get to move on. Yeah, basically. Okay, Dave. Well, I give Jared another contract. And for only because I don't think Kebai really improves us that much over what we have. If it was give Jared another contract or sign Pogba, then you sign Pogba. But if it's give Jared another contract or sign, you know, Kedira, sign Kedira. But I just don't think Kebai, I mean, we're just having this child offline. I've seen him play loads of times, but I don't know what he plays. Is he a number 10? Does he play deeper? I don't know what he does. He looks like... Isn't he just a French Joe Allen? Like, I literally don't know what he does that he will bring to our team. That's wonderful. I would sign Kebai. I can understand why people want to give Jared another contract because they want to see him see his career out at the club. Yeah. But I think you'd need to think massively reduced wages. And I've said before on this part, I think it will, if Stephen Gerard has any plans to coach and manage in the future, I think it will benefit him to go to a different league and work in a different club in a different set of circumstances. Just to understand that, you know, he's been around Liverpool under pressure around Liverpool's whole career. It would be good for him to experience something different. Long time. I just... I just already... And it is sentimental, but I'm just not ready for this season to be Gerard's last. And listen... I'll be happy with each other. It's a perfectly plausible argument around it, but I just think Kebai offers us so much more at this moment in time. Well, you are the one who's got a boss of players, right? What does he get? Inject the link to Kebai is interesting. I think it's, you know, I think it's pretty strong. I think it's... I think it's saying that a message to Gerard, that actually, you know, turns to Noah's question. I think the club was saying to him, we can do either of these things, you know? Dave, if you could just keep it home serious, if you could bring a player footballer into the celebrity jungle, who would have been... Who would have been... A footballer into the celebrity jungle. Pardon me, that shows on. Are they going to survive it? See, this is true. And I thought, no, I was going to give Paul's answer. I'm not going to give Paul's answer. I'm not going to give Paul's answer this weekend. I'm trying to think of this. Well, Rio Ferdinand then. I thought I was going to be Paul's answer, but I think Rio Ferdinand is one of those people that we need to hear him talk more to expose when an absolute bellend is on. You need to, like, film him 24 hours a day because he's kind of gotten away. He will be happy with being filmed 24 hours a day. But he's gotten away with it. He's gotten away with being a fucking moron for his entire career, because the little bit of snippets he says, so stage managed that he's getting away with it. So I'd say film him, so, yeah, Rio Ferdinand. But, again, I'd really want to check will he survive. It is kind of along the lines of as punishment, like, to do all the harm. You do all the harm. You do all the harm. Grow savage. Robbie Savage will be basing that, yeah. But, yeah, that was probably Paul actually called in that bracket. Would you really detest him? Do you? I like that. No, no, no, no. I know he's a snoid bastard as well, but it's not really even the kind of enjoyable snoid. It's just, you know, any decision. Like, if he caught the ball and the ref gave him a handball against him, what the fuck are you talking about? Shut up, it's shut up in Egypt. It's just like Mickey Mouse. It's John Terry from me, definitely, all day. I was thinking the same name, myself, John Terry, Glenn Johnson. He's just slipped out in there nicely. Anywhere, the bus is going anywhere. I haven't actually told a bus driver where to go. I just had to keep driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, last one then is from David Holden. David's one and what player that's going to be on next season's NFC calendar won't be there when it gets too terrible. Yeah. Of course, it depends on the order of where they fit. Yeah, it does. It does actually. January exits are somewhere exit. It's so funny. Octo will rise. Anyone looking, looking, putting their hand up to be gone quick. I think it might be our amount we mentioned earlier. I think Mark, which might be gone by next Christmas. I think Balotelli is a good show to be gone. If he's in one of the summer months, I think he might make it through the summer. Balotelli, yeah, possibly. I don't think Balotelli makes it to second season. You really don't know? No, I mean, I think January might be too early, but he is not a Rogers player. And it's going to go one or two ways, right? Oh, hang on. You know who it's going to be, don't you? You know who it could be. Who? Brendan. Brendan? No, he's not going anywhere. Really? No. Okay. I think it might be. No, it's official. I think it might be. Yeah, I think, yeah. I mean, I think it's a chance, but I don't think it happens. Stevie, what month does Kalim pass come on? Kalie's gone, though. Sorry, go back to Balotelli. Go back to Balotelli. The season's going to go one or two ways, right? Yeah. It's either going to go really well from now on, which is going to strengthen Rogers, which will show any moves him on, or it's going to go terrible from now on. And Rogers is going to get rid of him because he's going to be the scapegoat. Meñalei. Meñalei. Yes. Meñalei is January because it's the first month of the year. Hmm. Then maybe not. I don't know. Does that mean Brad goes another couple of seasons as number two. They're happy out. But he won't be on the calendar. You've only got twelve months. You won't be on the calendar. No, yeah. That's a good point. You're going to pick, you know, twelve. Well, they always have to go and keep on the calendar. Did they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember having David James on the calendar. And Brad Friedel got signed. And he didn't make it in it. Meñalei should go in the jungle because of his song. Yeah. Yeah, that would be handy. There we go. There we go. There we go. Yeah. It's going to be the teachers. I remember you missed a trick and I'll bring in Simon Meñalei to the jungle. Well, they missed a trick because then he wouldn't be playing for Liverpool. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's a bit tired. I think he's a bit tired. Actually, a football celebrity jungle will be great. Mmm. Not filmed. Just. She'll be like, she'll be like, she'll be great. Actually, Jurassic football celebrity jungle. Where there's dinosaurs and the most hated footballers just thrown in. Tell them there's cameras. And big electric fences. Big electric fences. But don't work. Don't work. Oh man. The fans were wrapped. They're kind of clean creeping up in there. Yeah. Yeah. They're good. They're great. Don't work. Do you want to cap with the number five on it? And then you have loads of that were completely oblivious. And I want to work shaken. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Robbie Savage. Oh no, Jesus. Charlie Adam will be the fellow with the bold and crunching of conflicts when the Raptors will walk around the kitchen. 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Right so the torture of the international break is slowly grinding to a halt and thoughts switch back to the league campaign on Saturday v Crystal Palace. On this weeks pod we are joined by a special guest in former Red and Shamrock Rovers Legend, a man now employed as FAI Development officer and Manager of the Emerging Youth Team, Marc Kenny. We talk everything from his time at the club, his career after the Reds, his thoughts on the current reds and coaching in general. We then preview the match ahead at Palace with regulars Dave, Paul joining Phil and Trev before wrapping discussing the impact of Dan the man, what loanees to recall, Celebrity Jurassic parks and Custers last stand. Standard.
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