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Sometimes a parrot talk. Rain wasn't a silly shot, but when they got to be so busy playing, it was still good, but he wasn't yours or not, but he wasn't yours or not. Spectacular. It's still 19 years of hasn't. I mean, it's a fear. There's a lot of other things that play a part in people's makeup. Yeah, some birds are funny when they talk. I mean, it's a fear. Can you think of anything else? I don't know. Go on, go on, go on. The training you're doing maybe takes a bit of juice from your leg. I mean, it's a fear. He's a prey who's always in the focus and in the spotlight, hope for Liverpool and England. Maybe that's had some effect, but I don't know. Well, if Roy doesn't know, we don't know. It's a day trippers. [MUSIC PLAYING] At the halfway point of yet another maddeningly pointless international layoff, there may be no proper football, but there are plenty of conversation points for us to discuss in tonight's show, which will feature a tripper version of structured debate. Our goalkeeping guru Phil will tackle the subject of Simon Minile with Darren Kelly of Irish prokeepers. Plus, our lads will discuss the nebulous concept of momentum, with pod debutants Dan Kennett and Joe Pepper. We'll also look at the other LFC stories dominating the news from Jose's naked selfies to Hodgson throwing Rahim under the bus, and the bunker with me tonight are the four mentioned garish kid fans here, safe hands Casey, Falcau, first responder, and the young and less we get too positive, they will flood. Before we kick off tonight, you may have missed our Twitter feed, but for you or not, you can tune in now. On Sunday, coming, we're joining Neil Atkinson and John Gibbons from the Anfield Wrap in the stone boat in Kimmage. We're helping them launch their Make a Stream book in Ireland, and in return, they're going to help us out with a bit of analysis for the QPR game. It's a free event, but there is limited space, so when it's full, you're not going to get in. If you want to have a chance, or else the lads in YNWA are shreds, who are being generous hosts may have to turn you away. As we said, it's a free entry, but obviously you have to boil the lads who are talking a point. Okay, we want to start with a little chat about Simon Miniele, and our Belgian keeper has divided opinion right from the beginning. But even his critics had to admit that he had a remarkable capacity for shots stopping there. Lately, even that has been called into question on his timidity and lack of presence have re-emerged. There's also been an increase in the only ease of fans about the man in general. With the link of Victor Valdez continuing to be a thing, what does the future hold for Liverpool's current number one? Well, tonight, we've invited in the man who's behind Irish pro-keepers coaching school to give us a coach's viewpoint on this, Darren Kelly, who's former Ipswich trainee, former Irish defense forces captain, and bitter club frenemy of her own Phil Casey. Welcome. Thanks for dropping into the bunker. Before we get started, Irish pro-keepers, what's that all about, Darren? Basically, the Irish pro-keepers academy was set up to develop Irish goalkeepers that we felt wasn't being developed correctly, especially with the GAA background and stuff like that. We thought we could develop a bit more, bring more of a professional approach for our goal We thought that we'd try and give something back to the kids of Ireland that want to progress into the football and the professional manner, and so far it's been quite successful. How long are you set up? We set up about a year and a half now, over a year and a half. We started back in January 2010, so we've been going strong ever since. We've got international goalkeepers, DDSL goalkeepers, SDFL, NDSL. We've got lots of travelling up from Carlo, Wexford, even up to Waterford. We've in our nourish, on the far end international, one of the travelling down the train was as well, so it's been quite successful in what we're doing. That's fantastic. How regular are the accessions? We've got academies and crumming on a one day and a Wednesday night, and we've got one of Sally Noggin on a tourist night, and we're looking at a notch, so if any were doubling now as well, we've got Wicklow opening up again fairly soon as well, so let's go. Just before we start talking about if people are listening and they want to get involved or maybe they've got a son or a friend or maybe it's themselves who want to get involved, do you guys have a central address or a website or anything like that? We have a website, it's www.orisprokeepers.com, we're also on Facebook and Twitter, we're quite swift in the replies, and we're getting back to people, or they can contact us directly in the class. Thanks very much. Just before I go, because I know Darren I played against him for a few years, I had the fortune of playing against him for a few years, but look, the guys in IPK, I know that I know all the changes involved, I know I've obviously failed, I've always been involved with them as well, and one of the lads, he would have coached up a way so I just also got involved in the coaching end with them, and the lads are literally on the edge in terms of what they do, in terms of what's available in Ireland, it's true that I used to start to bring video analysis in for your senior goalkeepers, and this is like for guys who are amateur and semi-pro level. What we've done is we've looked at where can we improve goalkeepers, and it goes right back to the basics, and we're looking at the starting and the set position, and the foundations of the goalkeeper, it's vitally important to have a good starting position, and being able to set for the shot. We're finding a lot of kids that are jumping the wrong direction to where the bar is going, they're still moving when the bar is being struck, so what we've done is we've brought video analysis in, put it behind the lads, and when we're seeing shots, we have volleys strikes after deck, and half volleys stuff like that, we're looking at them how they're setting themselves, and how they're moving is the balance correct, it's the set position really, and how can we make it better for them, and try and get the time and correctly as well, because we don't have the time and they're going all over the place like they're never going to make the save, so it's something that we feel vitally important, because the game is so technical, and goalkeeping is a special position, we feel that video analysis to look at the goalkeeper and break him down is to make him that bit better and give him the edge over what we're trying to do and what our goalkeepers like, you know, so. That's brilliantly specific, actually, isn't it, it's just fantastic for our kids to get that. We've also teamed up with Nad and now as well, who are trying the Dublin JA team, who've been successful in the last couple of years, and we've also teamed up with them and we're getting goalkeepers and goalkeeping specific programs with them out in Blanche's town, so we've got, at the minute we've got a couple of elite goalkeepers going out and training with them, and the results of Nadia Fieldback has been superb, like someone has had a jump and nowhere near where they should be jumping, that jumping really, really high, and we're looking and saying, "Hold on, the spring walk that they're dealing from and the balance and all that kind of stuff is paying off," and you can see the spring now coming into their lives. Just in case people who are listening don't know, Nadia is there, it's the National Athletic Development Academy in Blanche's town, and the boys are behind the Dublin senior team to wear with the Holland, Jim Gavin Brotham in with the Dubs, and we also have Amoree Kennedy, she was Sparta Olan as well, she walks with the Dubs constantly on yoga as well, so we have had yoga sessions as well, so it's the whole breakdown of what can we do as an academy. It's not just basically we're here for trying, we're here for the whole walks, and the whole network is stuck by the only at the minute, we're quite small at the minute, but we're quite effective, and that's where we want to be. Well, you may want to export you for us to Liverpool, so you can have a little bit of a word in the ear of a certain gent that we want to talk about, so do you want to get the ball rolling on that maybe? Yeah, look, and this is why I asked Aaron to come in tonight, because I suppose every time we talk, we talk about what's going wrong, what isn't happening, et cetera, et cetera. I said, "For a change, let's talk to a coach, someone who's in this area at the moment, who's being asked to improve goalkeepers at a lesser level, let's take it, we're asked them to improve their game or change the game, the managers are coming to them and saying, "Look, my fellow won't come off as low," and he won't dominate his box, he won't talk to his... Same principles. That's what's going on. As Aaron was just saying, all goalkeeping boys down to the same basics all the time, and it comes back to the same team, there's different techniques to get you. When everyone's talking about it, nobody's talking about how we improve them, or is it possible to improve them, or what is the coach's viewpoint on this? That's why I asked Aaron tonight, because I've been saying it for a while on this that he's a reactive goalkeeper, he doesn't know who to come off as low. Let's get a different voice in, let's get somebody who knows what they're talking about apart from me who doesn't know what I'm talking about. Fairness, I better get a guy who's living now is this type of coach, and so when I was talking to you about this, the idea is that if you have a goalkeeper, and I suppose the key idea about this is if you're looking at goalkeeping styles, there's two distinct goalkeeping styles, and as we were talking before, then you've got a toward, which is Manuel Nower, who plays basically as a centre back or a mid-fair, or a point steward in the actual game, but in general, there's a guy who likes to play, who in his box, who likes to dominate his area, and then he's got a goalkeepers who like to stop, mainly stop shots and stay in the line. In your experience, and you run on true goalkeeping, coaches and goalkeepers, et cetera, is it possible to change a goalkeeper's style fundamentally, to change him from a reactive shot-stop-type goalkeeper to a proactive sort of dominator of his box? Not only is it a goalkeeping issue as well, it's also an healthier issue. As an experience, you have to know what kind of system the team wants to play, do the team on a press-hoi, you don't want to drop off, and that dictates a goalkeeper's style and position. The looks of Minhalei, I think he's been more a hoylote this week about Guardian Evel and what he said on Skoy Sports and stuff like that. It's hard to go in and change a goalkeeper's style, especially at that age and what he's been used to him, but you also have to look at it as well, that Minhalei has changed clubs, he's gone into a new team, he has worked with a different goalkeeping coach, and that's tough. So that could be another factor on it as well. So the whole kind of thing is that the healthier coach and the goalkeeping coach have to come inside of Adrian and discuss it what way we're going to play. Are we going to drop off, are we going to push up a bit more? And that dictates as well for the goalkeeping style and position. So these things have to come into play as well. It's not just about while you're in the goalkeeping coach, what do you do on this, what do you do on that? And it happens week in, week out. It happens week in, week out on skateway pitchers around the country. The goalkeeping is not the only, it's me goalkeeping is not the only, that me goalkeeping can kick a ball. That's your responsibility as a coach to get in the under. So everyone has to take full responsibility, it's not just a goalkeeping coach having to take responsibility on the goalkeeper and how he plays the game. The goalkeeping coach and the healthier coach have to walk, sorry by saying, this is the way I want to play, I want to air goalkeeper to play later. So a lot of things come into play about how a goalkeeper plays, it's not just about nowadays kicking the ball out of there, you've got to play as an 11-man ill field. And Darren as someone who's worked with keepers and tried to get up to different kinds of spec and as you said, it depends on the system or what the requirements are. But we've seen a change in Minulate in the basic things that he's doing. Have you had that experience where a player, for whatever reason, loses a bit of confidence or whatever and starts to go almost against the coaching, go back and retreat into themselves because that almost seems like what's happened. It's psychological. Every goalkeeper goes through it. We've got other lads there, another one friend of mine has retired from football at the age of 28. You know, and it's so ecological, it's only starting to know how much pressure is on the goalkeeper. And it's crazy, one comment in the game, you might have done some great things and one comment from a son in the crowd, knock your companies off straight away like, you know, and that'll start playing in their mind. Even if we're playing a game on a Sunday or whatever, and you get to aspire, still, they'll stand on the side of the pitch, yeah, this, yeah, that plays in your mind straight away. Yeah. It's not in the doubters, because you're on your own. Yeah. And the little men start talking in each ear and saying, blah, blah, blah, and you know yourself from standing outside on your own on a freezing cold Sunday morning. Oh, you turn around and have a relatively, it's all so ecological. Yeah. And the whole Victor Vallez in the background as well, that's obviously playing on his mind as well. Well, that's kind of where I wanted to go next with that. Like, I mean, what sort of effect is that, is that having on him, do you think? Like, I mean, realistically speaking, you talk about you're on your own, but that's obviously part of the culture as well, to be prepared to be on your own, to be prepared to be concentrating like all the time for a second of action. It's, it's mental. It's more mental now than, than physical like with a goalkeeper. Like it's, it's so hard to, for the mind to stay focused for 90 minutes, can concentrate. But trying as much as you can concentrate for 90 minutes. And that's when the Dell self-dell creeps in. And yeah, yeah, yeah. I want them. Am I doing this right? Am I doing that really? Oh God, what happens if this happens? What am I going to do? And it's that one mistake, one bad goal kick in Australia, hold comments. I suppose that's, that's, that's one of the things I was questioned about the, you know, the level of mental strength that he might carry because he always seems to bounce back from a mistake fairly well, right? But overall, like I'll go back to the Manchester City game this season, when the, when he played the Southampton game, he was high on his box, he was up off his line. He was behind the back four, he was, you know, coming for crosses under a whole lot. City, he, he played very similar, but straight away on the toward goal it was, he seemed to get cut out of position because he wasn't quite like, you know, he was playing much higher and Aguero was able to sloth the ball past him into almost an empty goal. And, and you know, the criticism that was leveled after that was what, so what's many like doing standing there, and ever since then, he looks uneasy now in his, in his position on the thing. How would you, if you have a goalkeeper like that, right? And there's commentary that is part of the academy and he says to you, listen, I'm fucking, you know, I mean, they're ever going to be here. I'm not, I'm not quite sure what I meant to be doing. I mean, my goalkeeper coach wants me up to top me box, but you know, I keep getting cut out there. How do you, how do you get, how do you turn this fellow around? How, where do we work, do you work, is that you're focusing on mentally or how do you get them to? Well, first of all, a strip and back down, like what they say is, how do you build them? How do you build them around? You break it down, you build it back up. How do you build it? Okay. You break them down, you build them back up straight back to basics. Let's start getting them back, let's start building this building up as, as handling this foot walk. Let's go back right to basics. It's like rocking, and rocky tree, I think it was when he went back chasing the chicken he couldn't catch it. We laugh about that one, but even though it was a film, he went back, went back with Apollo, got himself back up and he went and fought. And that's, that's what you got to do with, okay, when you got to bring him back down, let's get back again and rebuild your back up again. Like, I remember going away there a couple of years ago, but less easily when I went the best time and he had a plan for us to go walking on the building site for two weeks and getting him up by five in the morning, going, there's a lunch, off you go, and that's what he had done when he was there, just got the meal in the building site. Take away what they have, the good things and give them, this is your life, you're not a kind of way. So, it's about building up the character again of a goalkeeper, making them more determined again and stuff like that, you know, you have to go back and really build them, but build the goalkeeper back up because they're sensitive. You know what I mean? You had a sense of the bunching and you didn't think about it. But, you have to think about it and the other thing, you have to trust your goalkeeper, you don't trust your goalkeeper, bye, you may forget about it. Back to where he's commonly criticized on his distribution, right? Yeah. Now, obviously, you're walking with keepers on the distribution, right? I've often said that his accuracy isn't too bad because he finds the players where he wants to, right? But, it's very slow. Now, I think that a core component in terms of the, you know, the really good goalkeeper is very quick distribution. How do you walk with goalkeepers to see their next pass? Because, you know, it's like a midfielder, the best midfielders in the world know where the players are in the pitch and know where the ball is coming in to and where it's going to next. You just have to take the ball and then see where things are. How do you, how do you work without, you know, to improve the perception of what's going on in front of them? Like, it's a good, it's a good question, right? But again, at the same time, if he doesn't take his time, that ball could go through his hands and he needs to be crit-soising him again after, after that. So if he goes and catches, goes for the ball and he's taking the look and he takes his away off and it goes in the back of the net, you, you're crit-soising for that. Like, we walk on, constantly walk on, catch the fourth ball, make the fourth save, second save or come. And stuff like that, if you do a cross in session, come catch the ball, watch your next move. Get the ball in your hands forced, then you distribute it. It does not, yeah, you have a quick glance. You kind of know what's going on because the position you can see the whole field. Well, it depends a lot on the relationship between, say, the goalkeeper and the striker who's going to move on the time. Yeah. Like if Mingley has that option, like, I always remember rain, it would pick out Torres, because they knew exactly what's going on every time. So they're playing the goalkeeper, they're playing the players who aren't giving them a dig out because, you know, they're walking all week, all they have to do is say, well, I'm going to, that's what I'm going to do. Every time you catch the ball, out of corner, I'll go on there. When I played, I played with single players, I played with Darren and Ben, Darren Ambrose. We used to have, I used to have this thing, I looked at me front men forced, I looked at thrown in the fee, what kind of deal. And that, I got that from the official coaches from, I learned from the coaches that I had there. So I was lucky enough that I had Paul Garret that was, was there as well. So he was a striker. So I kind of listened to him and what he was going to do, what he was going to do, what he was going to do, what he was to catch the ball straight and look, look for a striker's fee. And, and fairness to the lads, you know what I was kind of going to do, you know, like, because I walked on it and trying, bang, what am I going to look for? If it's not on the top, I'm going to come into midfield, then I look to play off in the back and slow it down. So, like, you see now, his forced moment is bang gone forward because he's that kind of goalkeeper. It's not a kind of way. So he knows, and then players know, right, if not, I get to going into space because you know, I know he's going to, he's going to find me. But if, if again, the players are not walking, that's the coaches for, that's the old field coaches for. That's, that goes back to, eh, the coaching that did him again, like, I've been going to move the ball quickly on what happens. It's not as a very command the goalkeeper, he puts the pressure on the strike at the middle for him. Where you have, maybe, maybe a little bit more, you know, if we're here than in himself, he probably doesn't have the confidence. At last year with Suarez, like, the baller Camille of our this year with storage, like, the big characters. Do you think it's possible, though, ultimately, for him, okay, to fundamentally change the style? And that's a straight up question, because I'm, I see lots of technical issues in terms of speed and update. Like what you said, in terms of speed and distribution and the whole lot, I, I, I think you can always improve accuracy, accuracy is something I can always be working on, right? But in terms of speed, I'm not sure how you develop a quicker distribution. If somebody, as you said, isn't, yeah, isn't from that mindset. So it's like, it's some, some people see a pass, some people, like, you know, have to take it and then see what's going on. And that's where I'm trying to figure out, can he change that about himself, or are you accepting that that's the style of goalkeeper? You've signed that goalkeeper, that's who you've signed. You knew what he was like before he came to the club. If you want them to be a completely different goalkeeper, then you actually went down the wrong path. And that's, that's. But it's the same, like, with Valdez, who's a complete opposite goalkeeper, I mean, like he's playing for Barcelona. He's distribution, he's playing football constantly, you know, and that's, that's the philosophy of Barcelona is take attack of football and I'm playing football with which Brendan Rogers goes with as well. So he's going to fit into that kind of mold as well, that live up here once. So it's a tactical kind of team, but going back to that question, he has to adjust his game to see the Liverpool's style of play and it's, it's up to the goalkeeper to walk head and, and changes his style of play as well. But not only the goalkeeper, your real field coach has to come in as well and walk with the goalkeeper and coach and the goalkeeper to change that. And, and not just go and say, do this, do that. You're going to show him what you want, you know, not going away and like you see a weekend we go with going back to kids, I went and watched the game there a couple of months ago and the, the coach is shouting at the goalkeeper, you're not talking, you're not the only saying that I'm back now. I had never seen the goalkeeper and the goalkeeper stand on with his hands behind his back and looking with the puppy or his like, and I, I approached him and I said, have you shown him how to do it? What do you mean? Have you, have you gone in and shown him how to talk to the back for, have you shown him how to play in behind this defense? So it goes back to that and again, the, the knowledge of the outfit coach to, to a goalkeeper. You know, that kind of way, they should be in walking soy by soy again with the golfing coach. You want to edge it? My last, my last thing of this, right? Given that rain is farmed for off a cliff since Rafa left, right? And his confidence was destroyed. And we're looking at a goalkeeper who's struggling with another thing, right? If there's a concentrate emerging in terms of what's there in terms of the coaching, is it sometimes a question to say, but it actually may be better to change our goalkeeper coach forced, stick with the man that you have, change your goalkeeper coach and see if, you know, get somebody in, maybe from the Spanish store, maybe from the German store to see, okay, can we change the way we're going to play here? Can we, is it better to get a different type of communication to the goalkeeper, maybe a different store to bring him through as the type of goalkeeper we really want? That's, that's a, that's a, it's a big question to ask. And on a kind of way, do you keep, again, do you keep a goalkeeper coach that has done the business? Like, and again, referring back to the hair, he walked with Eric Steele, who not only changes goalkeeper and habits, he changes physique, he changed everything about him. And he's seen the rewards that he got from it to live uphill, do that. That's the question that Rogers has asked himself, what kind of goalkeeper coach have it to get in, because there's different styles, the Germans are the fans from the line, we're powerful, no, hello, you know, like, going a little way, but the Spanish should be a totally different, different concept we're going to keep. And again, the same with the Irish and the English, we've all got different concepts. So it's, what kind of, what suits your kind of philosophy football that you've got to go and get. And it's not only about changing, but you've got to have the Roy players, the play, and if you want to, if they want to play that, it's got to be a change of goalkeeper. Moyo is to play that kind of football that Liverpool want to play. And it's just bring Valle's in and Valle's comes in and serious things happen. Do you play in the goalkeeper coach? And that's the ultimate question is the goalkeeper coach is there to bring on the goalkeeper. One person can knock your compliments, one person walking down the road can knock your mind away and that compliments, goalkeeping is uncommon. And if you have a compliment goalkeeper and enjoying himself, you'd be the best in the world. If you have a goalkeeper going in Soilam, you may forget about. Well, Darren, nice to have someone who's not a complete spooker in the bottom. I really, really appreciate your thoughts. That's a terrible thing to call yourself. I'm aware if I'm OK. Right. We wanted to have a quick chat about the idea of momentum. So after recording a much-needed three points against West Brom, Liverpool's road back to some consistent form was blocked by the police checkpoint that is International Fortnite. Was this a good or a bad thing? Did the specter of Haji and his national management buddies disrupt Liverpool's momentum? Or was it contrarily perfectly timed? And what is this momentum malarkey anyway? It's a term that's much loved by television opponents, but what does it actually mean? And does it really exist? Joining us on the line are two of Liverpool's finest football riders, Dan Kenner and Joe Pepper, to debate that very topic. Dan, I'll start you first, and maybe you could talk to us about your concept of momentum and whether or not it's a real issue. Wow. I like the idea of inviting on just for a quick chat about momentum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we knew you were phrasing. A couple of minutes. Yeah. Yeah. We can get this one done and tested in two minutes. Excellent. Yeah. Right. So firstly, the thing is, is what do we think it means is where to start? Because I think it means different things to different people. And then once we can get an idea of all our different flavours of what we think momentum is, then we've got to think about the question, OK, does it any of it matter? So if you think about, I'm just going to start the ball rolling with what my definition is. I'm not going to go into the confidence side and the psychological side because I'm sure you guys will do that, but the confidence thing is, sorry, it's just like, if you've gathered momentum, are you more likely to win your next game, or are you more likely to score your next penalty kick, or are you more likely to score your next free throw shot based on the fact that you scored your last one, an idea, this idea that you can build momentum through doing something. Now, the problem is, is that if you want to prove momentum exists, you have to show that the momentum has caused something to happen, which wouldn't otherwise have happened only by chance. So let me give you a really in layman's terms, I break it down, right? This is the whole thing about causality or post hoc, or proctor hoc, OK? So I'm going to give a really simple example of Christmas. So two things happen at Christmas time, well, money things happen at Christmas time. I'm going to give you two examples, right? Firstly, people send Christmas cards at Christmas, and secondly, people buy scarves and gloves at Christmas time. Now, one of those things is causal, the other is not, right? People buy scarves and gloves because it's winter time, now they also happen to might buy scarves and gloves at Christmas presents, but, you know, that's by the by, but people only send Christmas cards when it's Christmas time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you. So, yeah, but I suppose what I'm wondering is, where are you, like, where are you trying to drive this argument, Danny? You're trying to say that basically, there's not a lot of the glasses, are you trying? Yeah. This idea of causality, right? This idea of causality, I'm one thing leading to another, right? Can you give us a football kind of example in terms of, you know, where you can see the basically, you know, momentum isn't necessarily something that happens every time. Yeah, because you could win six games in a row, right? Yeah. But that's not necessarily evidence of momentum. Yeah. That could have happened naturally anyway. Right. You know, like you could lose six in a row because good, good, good teams win, right? Yeah. Bad teams can also win. Teams with confidence can win, but teams with no confidence can also win it, you know, but when, when a team with no confidence wins, it's usually called winning ugly or something like that, or the sign of a good team or some other cliche, you know. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I could give a, I could give a couple of examples to where it pops up quite a lot with Liverpool and with, you know, our own experiences with football, for example, how often do you guys remember Gerard Hulier saying we turn the corner? Yeah. Yeah. He liked his corners, Jared. He lived on a big roundabout, so he turned around. Yeah. That, that was, that always struck me as an, like, I always used to get really annoyed when Hulier said that because I used to think, you know, it's like the 12th time you've said it in the last few years. It works because every time we turn a corner, we get stuck in, stuck in another one again in the next game. And another, another good example would be, like Michael Owen or someone like that, he'd often be on a gold route, like he wouldn't have scored for five games. He just needs one goal and then he'll get a whole host of goals or he just needs one to go in off his backside and how many times have you heard that? That's, like, a common example of it being used. But the reason why this all became, like, kind of a hot topic relating to Liverpool for like the likes of me and Dan was because where this would come up is Liverpool would be, you know, struggling in the league, they'd have injuries mounting, they'd be, you know, trying to get a place in the top four, maybe under Rafa or, you know, later on under Kenny. And the debate would often come up where Liverpool would have a League Cup game or an FA Cup game. There would be an argument over whether or not Liverpool should rest players and basically risk losing the game because, you know, you don't care about winning the League Cup anywhere. And oftentimes the argument in favour of picking the strongest possible team was that gives you momentum. It basically means that you're going to win the game and in turn just by the act of winning that game is going to make you more likely to win the next one. Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. To give a kind of contrary viewpoint then, Bloody, what's your feeling, like, maybe take it from your own playing days, the idea of getting momentum, the idea of it being a real thing that players are aware of and feel going into a match? Definitely for me, when I applied in the dressing room, it is something that I can play on the mind of a player. When I've done coaching with kids as well, I've found the exact same thing as well. It becomes a habit. Winning becomes a habit. And it's kind of, it all improves certain elements of that you get the win which wears the confidence, then it's the coaching on top of that. And then, like, they'll start to feel invincible, basically. And the sad thing is, habits become good habits. And they say, we won that game because, especially the detail after the game, you go through what you've done, and you look at it and say, well, we've done these things correctly, and then you point out what we've done incorrectly, and then you take out the negatives, and then you say, if we do that next week, we can go again win another game. And that does happen, I found, but it also, on the flipside, when you lose a game, it can go the opposite way as well. The confidence starts to drain out the soils, they start the question, they'll silly things that they shouldn't have been doing. So I fully believe momentum, he's having a flipside in the soil, we went to best soil in the world. We got into a situation in a very difficult league, and I think we went 10 games in the spin. I don't think we can see it, it didn't want to matter. No, we were favourites to be relegated that year, and we ended up finishing toward the league from it, right? And like that, what happened was, sort of going back to a bit of what Joe has just said around, you know, and Dan saying that one game in isolation doesn't, you know, create momentum. For me, momentum is something that's created off the back of changing the opposition's mindset about how they approach you. So if you go from being a team that's been looked at as being a poorer team to a team that's now looked at as being one that's hard, difficult to be premier, and most of this stems around home farm, it's like a wave farm is a strange thing, but if you can build it, build it back-to-back wins on things that's going on, teams then change their mindset as they come to play you, and that for me is where momentum is built from. I think that's a really interesting, is that Phil? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a really interesting argument I actually feel, and I do think that's a very interesting way to, you know, I don't think that's a traditional way that, you know, there's been so many studies in the US sports, especially basketball, baseball, NFL, whatever about momentum, but I don't know if anyone's actually taking it from that, you know, that perspective, you know, like you want to build a bastion of invincibility, you know, the shankly is amazing, and so other teams are actually fearing almost coming to you, so they're inhibited in some way. Yeah, I think that that's definitely more plausible, but can I just go back to what Daimel said? Yeah. Right. Well, you know, everybody believes in momentum, that's the thing, everyone believes it, right? But just because people believe it doesn't mean it's true. Now, you know, the flip side of that is absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, okay? So it's the two sides of the same coin, isn't it, or you could put it, you just talk about God if you wanted to, I guess, but, you know, it depends on whether God has momentum or not. He's won four on the balance. Tell anybody to stop doing something that makes them feel good, never. Yeah. Right. However, whether it makes any actual difference is a completely different thing, people should, if doing something makes somebody feel good, they should do it, and that, but that's like a placebo, isn't it? Yeah. That's what I did. And Dan, of, of, of what Feli was saying about habits, and maybe Joe, you can come in after Dan here on this about, you know, it becomes something doing, doing things the right way as you've just said becomes a habit. Then you have the situation, which you've talked about, which is that habit getting disrupted, because the momentum is lost, or is it because you have a loss? So do you change the habits and so on and so forth? Like, is that where your skepticism is arising from in relation to this whole concept? Right. So people who've argued that momentum doesn't exist, and they've actually say they've proven it in the studies that it doesn't exist. But what they always say is that I've won the argument on hot hands, or I've won the argument on men don't men to 100 times, but I've convinced no one by winning the argument that people still believe in it. Yeah. You know, they've just improved wrong. So it doesn't really matter. Almost. At the end of the day, what people believe is almost more important than what's true. Yeah. Yeah. Would you concur with that there? You know, Dan's almost there seems to be taking the position of it doesn't matter, you know, almost like it's harmless if you believe it and it doesn't really exist. But most of the actual proper research that's been done on this suggests that it is actually slightly harmful. And that's a bit counter-intuitive, but a tray of you were mentioning about how it, you know, you're kind of putting into practice the correct methods, which are proving to be successful. But that's almost just, that's not really momentum, that's just getting good at something. And when we talk about momentum, what we're really talking about, does an instance of having success make you more likely to have success in the future than you otherwise would have been all other things being equal. Yeah. If you're going to do well in the future, that cause you to actually do better than you otherwise would do if you didn't have that internal better prediction. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Andy, would you kind of roll in behind this idea that basically momentum is something maybe that happens as a result of this confidence and it's just, it's a by-product, it's not really a thing in itself, you're a confidence you do well and that it's as simple as that. Yeah, I think what makes this a debate is people's interpretation of momentum. So when so many mentions the word momentum, you're going to interpret it the way you see it. Now, before this was, it's a weird one to the score, so I would have just thought it was purely confidence. So if your team are winning, or a striker is not, a striker is banging in the goals, he's confident and the momentum, momentum in its real meaning is, it's a physical object moving forward. So when we apply it to sport, it's just a metaphor kind of thing, like it's not really a real thing, you know, probably the definition of the word. So like, I mean, I would say momentum is the likes of McElroy there, he's not one of major, he's not one of tournament in a while and all of a sudden, one bang, one clicks, and next thing, he's shooting the lights out every time he plays golf, because he believes in himself, and then the media and the commentators say, the momentum is winning, but it's actually not really, it's just a figure of speech, I think. So when you break it down, yeah, it means nothing, but sure, how often do you say things in football? I mean, especially in here, mate, but you can look at it, you know, if the team's not playing well, you know, Liverpool have come up against the team that's maybe lost the last four or four, if people are going to start saying let you up performance, you know, so all of a sudden there's an argument to say that just when you're playing shit, which you'll win, which is the exact opposite idea. Our team is winning, I mean, we used to say it last year, a lot, she's a county Liverpool winner, 12 games in a row, I really would start in three, four, five, six, seven, and eventually, you know, it has to stop somewhere, and bang, it's the parts of the last argument, just because they won the last 11, doesn't mean that we're in the 12th. Jordan? And I just come in there, Trebs. Yeah, of course, Scott. So that kind of hits the nail on the head to be like what most people interpret it as. The idea that confidence makes you perform better is what we, or at least certainly I am saying, is definitely false. And in fact, all of the data suggests that it makes you perform slightly worse. So usually, when you have this discussion, and I think, you know, Daymo was mentioned here with, you know, say, well, I do better when I'm confident, and you know, use football as an example. People say, well, why do you do better when you're confident? Well, a good example would be if you're a striker, if you're confident, you're going to take a shot when you otherwise wouldn't have had the confidence to, and you might have passed it, as the reverse side, which is basically overconfidence and complacency. So a good example of that might be Balotelli, who definitely isn't lacking in confidence. But does he take, does, as a result of him being confident, does he basically take more shots than he otherwise realistically should do? Should he pass it more often? And should he, is he, is he suffering from overconfidence? Now, this gets really interesting, is relating to Liverpool, and a guy on the, the Tomkins Times website called Graham Riley, who basically compiled a statistical database of all of the results in English League football history ever. And when we, all the results that Liverpool have had following a game that they won, versus all of the results Liverpool have had following a game that they lost, you would expect is in the games, the resulting games that followed a win would be better results than the results in those games that followed a loss, is when you compare the two results, the results on the right hand side on the pile of results that followed a defeat are actually better than the ones that, it also completely obliterates the whole factor of the fact that the teams in the first set of results are better than the teams in the second set of results. But it actually suggests, is a huge, huge, underplayed factor of overconfidence and complacency. Dan, on, on Jell's thoughts there, would you, would you, would you echo all that stuff, or would you, would you find yourself rolling with a lot of what he's saying there? I do go along with a lot of what he says, and it's just a terrible shame that he's got such a dodgy phone line. There's satellite link to LA, and guys, you need to upgrade your infrastructure, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I really, I don't want to say that. That's next week. I do, I do, I do agree with a lot of what he says, of course, but, yeah, the, just one I wanted to pick up on what, I think it was demo said about Rory McElroy, and, and I don't know how old you are, guys, but, you know, in the 70s, there's a really good golf called Gary Player, and Gary Player, do the same thing we said about him, and, and he was often accused of being lucky, winning, because he was lucky, and then, you know, funny thing is the, the, the more I practice, the luckier I get. So is it just the fact that Rory McElroy is actually the best player in the world that he wins lots of majors? Yeah. Fern, I'll finally, can I, just, just, just, just, just, just on, on, on the beat, and I suppose it's, I, again, it's, it's, it's very much allowed to, it's a concept that's used by everyone, as Dan says, and it's, it's accepted by everyone, right? I think even taking the, the five of us, we all have a different view on what the component parts of momentum are. The only thing that's common amongst a whole lot is the concept is that a team wins an awful lot of matches, and teams, you know, and, and they build something that other teams can't actually stop against, that the force of the wins that they build will be greater than the sum of the teams that they're going to play against. Now, for me, anyway, as I said, the idea of momentum is that poor teams can achieve momentum in results similar to, say, Ferguson's last couple of United teams, who are able to somehow put the results in the bag in, in tight run ins, where if you actually put them under a different manager, as we've seen with David Moyes, they couldn't put the same amount of results together. And it's, again, for me, the key in this whole thing is how the opposition sees you as a team as opposed to necessarily the, the, you know, the mental, the mental side of it in your own head, because if the team's approach in a different way, your chances of winning, in my opinion, I'm sure there's probably statistics to, to say I'm wrong, but the, the way that they will look at you will actually increase the probability of you actually winning matches. What I'm, I'm a quality person, so that's just, can I just ask one question there, Joe, that, that lad who can pull a lot of results over the air from the, that was purely taking into a, to Liverpool, what I would, kind of, would love to find out is them all them teams that beat Liverpool, and we're looking at the Liverpool's next result and saying, well, we want some, we lose, there was some, there wasn't any momentum there, we'd like to actually see if any of them teams that beat us, what their next game was like, and after that and so forth, where they build the momentum, not just us, like, so if you had a West Ham team say that, that beat Liverpool, we're looking at the air next game, we go and we be QPR, say, oh well, fuck it, that's not momentum, but did West Ham beat us, create momentum for them? It's momentum, it's just not a Liverpool thing, it's... That's a good question, I honestly don't know, honestly, I don't know. Yeah, I think you have that, Joe, because the state of these guys is the, he's actually one of the guys behind LFC History.net and the Liverpool Encyclopedia and all those good stuff, yeah, so he's actually part of the site there, and there was some discussion on the site, Joe, about, you know, he did it for all teams, not just Liverpool as well, so, and the results broadly held, but it, you know, my, my view of that as a statistician would be that, you know, if you take the sample of every result played in English football ever, you've got a very big, like, you know, a very big sample, I mean, you take Liverpool as a representative sample of that and our results match true against the whole, the wider picture, but, you know, just come back to what Phil was saying, the crux of the matter is, it means different things to different people, and what you described there, come back to Ferguson, you know, one of the things about momentum is, is it confidence or is it a confidence trick? Now, Ferguson did this thing where he got other teams almost given up before they even get into play, Money United are all traffic. Now, that's a whole host of things, you could say it's intimidation, you know, it was bullying or whatever, you know, people like Mick McCarthy, he went, he was there with wolves, he didn't even bother trying, he sent the, he sent the beat team, didn't he? One time. That's more like a confidence trick rather than confidence, isn't it, which is the, which is the anti momentum confidence trick, isn't it? Well, we'll have to invent the war for anti momentum. Anti momentum is brilliant, I love this. Negamentum. That's actually fantastic. Money mentum. I can say it, the Americans call it no mentum, don't they? No mentum will do nicely. Well, which are, which are statisticians hat on, or notions of randomness in your head? How do you feel the game is going to go next time out for Liverpool? I'm not an expert on this at all, I'm just a nod at on the internet. So anyway, Joe, what do you think? We're playing QPR, right? There you go. 11-0. Excellent, excellent. This is, this is, this is our kind of thing. Down to your, your thoughts on how you think it'll go in a nutshell. Don't be QPR, we're fucked. Right. No momentum. Yeah, honestly, I think if we, if we, if we, even at this stage, if we can't, if we can't win games like QPR away this season, I think top four is going to be a big ask. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Dan, Joe, thanks a million lads for your thoughts. Appreciate it very much. We had a mention of QPR there. So let's continue with that idea, and Dan is sturged back and he is massive for us. Does he start, do you reckon? Yeah, I've never been so relieved to see the man back, you know, it's while I lift it's going to give the team. I mean, straight away now there was a gold trick going on there, which hasn't been in quite a few games. Yeah. So good to have him back. Like, you know, it, you know, it's going to be a difficult one because there's such an important game come up a few days later. But I believe he starts. And the thing is well, isn't it, about not just him as a gold trick, but his presence movement on the rest of it adds the gold trick from the others around him, doesn't it, as well? Yeah, everything. I mean, it just, it gives the, it gives the opposition something to think about, like, playing Liverpool has been quite easy for the opposition for the last few games that have them had an awful lot to reveal. All of a sudden they see storage there and they know he can produce magic of anything. So again, yeah, it takes a little bit of a focus off players that there might have been a bit of pressure on. You might see something about a telly. Just on the pure, pure fact that not, not everyone think I was in a tunnel now, you know, and you mean, Mark, if it's just like, I know he's fit there again, you never know. Like, then we produce the goods just because they focus as often is off them and maybe on to the other man. Flowey, is it a risk to start them straight away? Do you think like, should it be introduced gradually or? Oh, I start them straight away. I believe, I always have said it, if a player is a confloy. If a player is fit enough to be on the bench, he should start. He's every much at risk of getting injured coming off the bench. He's probably more at risk because he's warmed up, he's sat down, he's got cold again, he thinks he's done a full warm-up and he's straight into the game that, you know, there's momentum of warming up. So, he's gone into the game and he's had a proper warm-up where he does that and he sits in the bench and gets cold again. You're not really at the same level, the head isn't pumping as quick at that stage, you're into the game. So, what's there, if he's available to play, I get him on the pitch. If he kind of blows up out there, 60 minutes and he can't breathe. That's when you take him off. I'd rather say that and us being on the front foot because it's the only striker we have that gives us that option of running behind. Exactly. That's what I tell you doesn't know, but Lampard got fucking nosey. Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, he's not fine though. He just runs the opposite way. He's the only threat we have there, don't I? Because when you're playing against teams, they're going to play a rigid back forward. They're going to play four across the middle of the game. So, nobody toyed with a tray. They won't do that this weekend and they'll sit deep and, but once we've got a threat and movement, it's a lot easier to break hands down. When we only have Balotelli up top, it may be Lampard. We struggled because they don't stretch teams. They don't stretch teams where storage is the only player we have that can do that. So, if we take it, he does start then, Phil. I don't think he does, but anyway, go on. Well, okay. Well, then maybe I should. And the only reason I think the history of storage coming back from injuries, Rodgers, they tend to start them on the bench and then brought them in, taking the stoke away last year when he came on and had the real impact from the bench. The Louis Suarez don't. I know he had Louis Suarez, but I'm just thinking that they may, contrary to what you think, that they'll rather give a half an error. I think they live on the bench, but it was me. I don't disagree with that. If you look at it, he was a late car. He was nearly going to be available for it to be on the bench against everything. Okay. And then he just went, no, they didn't play against Basel and he didn't order a game, then West Brown. And he's probably looked at that and says, this is perfect. You know, one game, we leave him out in order for a one-bar game. And then it's a full week. So it's full two weeks ago to get ready to start. Yeah, yeah. Look, I don't, I don't, it was nearly available for the bench two weeks ago. He's built to avail the start. I don't think there's any one that was here that wouldn't start him if you're in. There's the other folks who told you as well. I think I think he starts, you know, I think he starts. Well, if he does, then what does the front line look like? Is it him and Balotelli with three one? Yeah, I think it will be him and Balotelli. There's been too much said with the halls sterling being torrenting now that I doubt he playing. So I doubt he starts. So you put a lalana in behind in that ten role, because he's been playing so well. And Paul Balotelli and storage up front and give the, give them a nightmare. You don't agree? You don't think he's going to start? I don't disagree with the concept that Andy's put there. I totally backed that like if he starts that would be the right. But what do you think is realistic starting with that? I think, I think like, you know, I can't see much changes from, from the last game with the exception of love running if he's injured. And then it's a case of those Tory come back in or his sack of fit enough, because on the Tuesday, they said 10 days until sack of his face, which would put him right back. He'd be fit, say, Floyd are certainly going on the number of days until then. And he'd be ready for the actual Sunday game itself now. Then, well, look, you're going to be looking at potentially coming back from injury, Chan, Alan, and sack of, right, ready to come back. And then you've also got John Glennson, who I never want to see on the pitch, right? So anyway, if you're going to go for one of the injured players, the player that's going to make the biggest difference to us as a gold threat is going to be Daniel's storage. So if you look at all the injured players that's coming back, I'd definitely be looking at having storage and council member now, storage and Alan on the bench, or Alan starting storage and sack of starting the game. Because I think that day will have the biggest impact on the actual match. But I think storage will be on the bench, and I think he'll start with Balotelli, and he may, he may, if Alan has fit, he may push Gerard forward and have Lelana come from the left hand side and staring at him from the right hand side. Despite the whole fatigue and towards this thing, they have a full week now before the actual match. There isn't a midweek game. It's not a Wednesday game. He has a full week's rest before the actual match itself, and then he looked to change, staring out and bring storage on. Say it's 55, 60 minutes gone at that point in terms of giving the rest to go on there, and he can rejig your midfield. In that instance, because you'll probably take Alan out as well and drop Gerard back into the midfield, and then move into a diamond or such, because you've got Chan on the bench as well. So if we have a situation where a sack of dust and make it, you then could be looking at Toure and Skirtle. Is that, is that, is terrifying to you as it is to me? Well, how fucking bad is it going to be? Like, the two by a cent of the house we have, have a rewinger, although I still believe a sack of one of our best cent of the house. I don't write Skirtle at all, and I think it's really poor, and I think it's a fault for a lot of mistakes we have in the back. Toure is the old, right, hard and Skirtle, but they have not much up front. They really don't think we should be taking this as a sonner. If we go out, if we go out and we go at this with a bit of pace, and we trickled them open, we can deal with it. I think if we go on, we try to control the play, it'll just seal them down to the ground, and they'll just be awkward and break us down and just spoil the game, really. So what we think about that is, although I have issues with them, they should have more than enough in the locker to cope with what QPR have to offer. They should do their own long enough, declared long enough, and it's a bit of a nightmare. It's probably just as well that Phil is going to be doing something on a live variety because there's a very real possibility of a back four with features. Can you imagine a wonderful back four of John Glenson, Toure, Skirtle? I can put Enrique back in. He's been taking great picks over at the end of the boy. He'll be fitting ready for this match. Actually, at least three of those were very, very likely. I just thank God you've got Mike in front of you because you won't be able to say your usual shit. Seriously. I do believe that Roger's probably still favour as John Glenson over my kill, and that's insanity. He's going to play decent off part of the season. He's not completely finished yet. I think he is a boy. He is a number obviously, and he played less and less, but you could be looking at Johnson starting against Madrid. Aw, Jesus. They mean for the ladies, they mean for the ladies, they mean for the men. I can't have failed against Sutra a lot. Like, seriously, right? I mean, it's just, oh look, there's a man gone past me. He won't get across. Oh yeah. He's gone. He's going to go forward. Anyway, look, listen, let's not think about the apocalypse at this point in time, because with a bit of luck, if we have to change our centre backs, Roger's might think, well, look, if we're going, then change me full backs as well. I'm changing the whole back four when I don't really need to, right? So, you know, maybe love and being out injured is a blessing in disguise, because you want to drop my kill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So comforting logic to that. Yeah, in terms of what's going on, but look, at the end of it all, QPR are going to have their threats. They aren't a good side, right? Dan is writing what he says. If we can't be QPR, then our ambitions for top four are in serious trouble, right? So, you know, going a bit back to the last game, it doesn't matter how we win this match. It's that we win this match, right? And whatever team goes out there, sure, the players we have are better than the QPR players. And if they employ themselves, there's going to be a bit of rest for the England players, because they get a longer break, which is good, because Henderson and Lelana, staring all get that bit of extra rest that if they're playing a Tuesday game, they wouldn't have a such, and I think we'll come out flying full cylinders, full throttle. Let's go, get the result. And I think we get the result. You think we get the result? Bloody, we get the result? I don't see one. I think we do. I've seen QPR that they are pissed for, they really are, but it's the back to the last play across the back, that they're very fucking slow. That's what I think we need to start a storage there. We need to start with some peso top, because anything that's not mobile up there, that'll seal down to the ground. Yeah, Andy, wrap it up. How do you say it, Colin? I mean, I don't see anything other than Liverpool win. It's just, it'd be just that I looked up, wouldn't it, really, to for QPR to put in a performance? Like I think, I think storage comes in, and we finally see it. Liverpool play football this season. Maybe from the start, which would be nice, which goes back to a bloody standard. Yeah, I'll give the team a good lift. I mean, I think that international break came in a good time as well, after a win on it. Liverpool measures a couple of minutes, to prepare for a potential, a potential slip up, you know, so he's no excuses now. He's having his mind very clear what he wants to do over the two games, coming up for a quick succession. Yeah, take all three points. Take all three points. Oh, a lot of them do, nicely. So we should probably talk about some of the other issues then. What do you think? Well, that's the only thing that could ruin the momentum without predictions. Well, if you want to do a proper preview, let's do predictions, a bloody prediction. Aah, Trino. Trino, Andy. Trino. Trev, prediction. Trino. Phil, prediction. Fornil, QPR, lovely. I am Lu Jware. You are listening to Trippen's chat with Trev. Right, let's have a little chat about one of the major talking points the last couple of days, which was our friend Roy Hudson and his quotes about Raheem Sterling and the idea of tiredness and the ensuing madness that has happened on social media and in the papers. Just the social media, it's the media channel. Oh, it's in the broad sheets today as well. Roy is a broad sheet manager, so we should talk about it. Well, in media response, I want to come back and I want to talk about what he actually said in a few minutes, because that's amazing stuff. For me, anyway, the big thing that got to me was last week he was saying that Raheem Sterling, Liverpool needed to rest Raheem Sterling at the time, they were born a mill before he reached his peak, etc. And in the space of the week, he's then coming out and saying, "Well, Raheem panting, he said he was tired, and I couldn't put him in because I said it. Do you know what I mean? The fella fucking just makes it up as he goes along, basically." Purely makes it up as he goes. And he was setting up an excuse. If they didn't beat Estonia last night, he had an excuse that one of his best players wasn't able to play because he came from and said he was tired. OK, well, Roy Hudson deflects blame. Aside from the little Englander, rabid, patriot, inverted comments, types who are saying that, you know, that's a disgrace. Did anyone else believe that he wasn't just deflecting blame or setting himself up in case, like Phil says, something goes wrong? Have people not read him now? Like, does this sound like a realistic little transaction that happened on it? We were doing a light training session, Raheem had done the warm-up and he said, "I'm feeling a bit tired. I'm not in my best form at the moment because I'm feeling a bit tired." So I said, "Best thing is, Adam Milana starts the game and you rest and I bring you on from the bench. Simple as that." Does that sound like something actually happened? I mean, even if it has happened, that should never, ever, ever make it into me. It never should be made clear. Never fucking speak to that, though. Anyone that should be kept with this. Just throw them under... Absolute gobshui. Yeah, and all they get it. An international manager to make a comment on a player like that, like... Manager should know, you get at any level, you don't go out and start speaking about what a player has said to you. Anywhere. Don't hang your player. Absolutely ridiculous. I kind of fat him. But as Phil said, and I think everyone's saying it, he basically set himself up there to say, "Okay, we don't win this game. We're fucking mayhem. Stitch me up here like it wasn't my fault. We would have played a different way over him." So he's completely fucking toward. Well, I think that the games have begun there between Hodgson and Liverpool. After the storage team, Roger's put the bill in, made a public that storage, has said that he doesn't want to train. He's made train anyway, didn't get injured. So Hodgson's now thinking, "All right, well, if you want to make a public, what's been happening in the England camp, well, I'm going to make a public as well." So I think he's playing a few games. He's a ship manager, and he's going to throw his hand at something else here. And I think he's playing a dangerous game because Roger's now was going to put Digger's heels in. Lelana Henderson. Any sign that these players are fit to go to England, where he might have taken a chance before. He's going to say, "No, fuck yourself." So you're going, Hodgson? So he's pretty much set himself up badly here, hasn't he? Like, I mean, it can't fall out. I think he's just taken, I think he's taken Liverpool on. He's taken Roger's on. You know, he's a store on L-Pizzy, Jack fucking Grandma. He wants to take, he wants to, you know, look like Billy Bigbolic's because he's headed the FA, he's the main man in the country, managing the England team. That's how he wants to see himself as being in charge. He's just a horrible little shit saying, like, basically. He's everything that annoys you about football. You know, everything, he's the anti-logist. You know what I mean? He's Mr. Corporation. He's Mr. Yes, man. He's Mr. Yes to the media. He'll say whatever. He'll do whatever they tell him, and he'll say whatever they tell him. He has no, he's no personality. Ironically, it's not bad timing this. It's not bad timing because people have been on Brendan's back quite considerably lately for dubious reasons. And then you have a fellow like Hudson who turns around and says, something like, hang on, I just want to find this. Yeah, he's talking about the, well, don't forget, it was two days after quite a difficult game against San Marino. It was fatigued that he had managed to shake off after that San Marino game. I mean, in the name of Jesus, who is going to turn around to San Marino? Is it difficult? Oh, I don't know. I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, it's all down, you know, he's a pro as I said, Raheem Sterling for England and for Liverpool. And it's a bit of tug-of-war going on here. Roger's criticizing England for over years, and then he drops him against Villa, and he paid the consequences. Then, you know, you think, oh, Roger's looking after Sterling, and then he plays him for 120 minutes against Middlesbrough. And then, again, in the diary. So, you know, what's going on, like? Yeah, but doesn't it show you the level of people's... there's actually a debate about this today, and people are coming out and saying things like, you know, it's a disgrace, and, you know, footballers with their wages, etc, etc. You know, I mean, like, this debate should not be happening. Why does money doesn't stop you getting tourists? It stops you know what I mean? But Sterling's played 400,000 games this season. And when he has six kids as well. And six imaginary kids to look after as well. When he gets home. Well, no, think about it, right? We mentioned a couple of weeks back, and he was rested, you know, for the Aston Villa game. And then, after that, we went, we can't afford to rest him at the moment, because we've got too many players out, we're missing the storage, and you can't afford to leave Sterling over. Simple fact is, at the end of it all, that Liverpool Football Club is more important to rally him, Sterling, in real terms, because that's where he's playing week in, week out. They know what's best for his development. They have better sports, so, etc, etc, behind them, as was proven the last time that Daniel's storage went away, and England just completely ignored what everyone was telling them because of the way Liverpool were managing his injuries, to get him through, so he stopped picking up recurrent injuries, right? And that was just laughed and joked off. And don't forget that this is the same England setup, where Hudson wanted a storage to prove himself when he got injured that time, to play through the fucking injury. To test his resolve, to test his resolve. And in that game, didn't he come back? Didn't he protect Roni and take him off after 64 minutes, because he was carrying a little bit of a knock? Yeah, and made storage finish the fucking whole 90. Yeah, that, true. So, this fell as a hard work, right? Yeah. He darkened our doorstep for too long, those six horrible months that he was there for, right? And, you know, that hasn't changed. He's taken his shit medits to many clubs, and he's managed to do fuck-all with them, and he's taken them out to England, and he's done fuck-all with them, and he's managed to share with himself into a fucking job. And somehow, he's had a horrific World Cup, and he's come out, and he's still the manager. If that was any other England manager, and I mean any other England manager, they would have walked the plank in the Caribbean after the World Cup, because they wouldn't have got back into England. He'd come to McLaren or something. Bobby Robson, in the Euro '88, was nearly run out of town, because they didn't do well in European championships. And that was in a group that had an Ireland team that was coming through, that had Russia, that was at the height of its parallel as the USSR, and also Holland. And Holland went on to win it in the end, right? And he went on, Robson went on, now, I suppose, Lesnar's Robson went on, and they got to the semi-finals in 1990. But Robson was one of the best managers in the world at the time, and had a tactical brilliance about him. Whereas this fell as a fucking gimp. Look, quite simply. But he soon stemmed down to the ground, like everything from his comments about Roni, and the scales accent, and he's a handful. Yeah, for your main system. Yeah, absolutely. And he, you know, the sort of discrimination that you've seen over the years towards Liverpool, like young Liverpool players not getting involved in the England Academy, like you look a feller, and the likes over the years. So there's this thing, you know, discriminating against the Nord, Nordner's liking the scales as today, and we're just scum. And I think he, that's his opinion also. And so behind the scenes, they suit each other up down to the ground. You know, he doesn't like what's happening. He doesn't like Liverpool at all. When he came up, wasn't he? Didn't he have an argument that we're getting into the players' loans? He's sitting in the jacks the next time in the fucking... Yeah. Underneath the main stand. They wouldn't let me in. You know, it's only on sitting in some room, in the cupboard. Go sitting in the cupboard. Strangely enough. That's bad blood. He's typical of them. You know, that's, that's why they suit each other. And he's a spiteful little bollocks. Mm. Like he's seen the way he reacts to no age, immediate and stuff like that. The, the Danish media, everything that he's spiteful. And he carries around the fucking a massive chip in the shoulder, being an elder he is. He just, he fucking just carries those chips everywhere. Those are particularly noted for a sponge. Very known for her spoiphons. Yeah. Yeah. They attract those moist, full, feel moist for a mile, just to get the bastards. Should we talk with someone? We are looking at me. I mean, he knows the cameras on them all the time. He's trying to, he's trying to act cool. You know, and it couldn't come out more, it completely opposite of what he's trying to do with the faces he pulls. Like, I think in his head, he thinks he looks like Marlene. Oh, no kill right now. You're fucking dumb. The face melts. No. Right. Okay. Chaps, I want to talk to you about Mr. Enrique's naked, the boy adventures. And what do we make it at? How wonderful is this man? Flurry, earlier on, you called him a hero. Would you stand by that? That's fucking hell. That was an absolute bloon. Like, you get arrested over there for kissing your girlfriend in public. He wasn't left to country before he tweeted the fuck up. You don't think he's the fuck that's the fuck that's the thing? He positioned the Marine at just in front of us. Oh, the Marine? His Marine, it looks like a flute. [Laughter] Straight stuff, I was like, there's no way he didn't practice at least 18 times that. That's not a random shot. Like, he's, he's, he's, he's gotten upset into the great position there, isn't he? Definitely. No, we don't think he thinks. Do you know? [Laughter] I don't think he does. Just a lucky shot. Yeah. And Enrique, he engages the brain at all. Yeah. Like, nothing he does on Twitter makes any focus. [Laughter] There's no far time to enter anything. You know, and I don't mind them now. Like, I give out shit about players and not being professional on Twitter, but in fairness, he doesn't get engaged with the fans. He doesn't get stuck in. And he doesn't start giving slagging back around anything. He just shows pictures of him and the monkey and he's fucking happy. He's just a happy girl looking. Good time, guy. What's the crack? Yeah. But like, you can't, like, if he turns up a train and some day and he has a champion, he's hanging out, right? There's a pet ship. Nobody would even bat an oilie. Nobody would look. Nobody would think to themselves. That's weird. Yeah. Where's he at? No monkey from there. I'm saying, I'm sure it's that the same monkey that was in your car. He's fucking with bones, yeah. [Laughter] Oh, that's the last one. The picture. That's the first one to hear. What's his name? Yeah, I love him. I call him Fernando. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just, I think he's, like, he's the best hit. Like, you know, all the social media and you get them under all robots when they go on, but he's just brilliant. Like, the stuff he does, it's harmless. It's been, like, the raptor by the telly is most of his stuff he does is completely harmless as well. Look, it's just mental. Seriously. I'm with you. I think he practiced that shot. I can't wait until the raid, I clowed again and get all the photographs, right? Because we get to see all the practice shots at work. [Laughter] And many practice shots together. Definitely. We're just an old boat in the way. It's definitely a practice shot because if you take a picture at a window at an angle, you won't get reflection like that. You know, he's had to go down at the level. [Laughter] There have been drafts, there have been drafts. That's what makes it really even better. [Laughter] Right, a couple of questions in from our listeners. The first one here is from Amra, and he wonders, "Lads, what's the stupidest thing you've ever bought?" Stupidest thing you've ever bought. Well, he bought an electronic pipe. That's what that was. Yeah, it's not for the network. Yeah, yeah. No, that's an electronics thing. Well, she brought it. [Laughter] She actually brought in here to show us. Yeah. It was fake wooden electric pipe. And actually, you only broke it fucking out when I was in the middle of a serious intro. And I looked around and you were there with that fucking Sherlock Holmes thing. Yeah, I was going through a Sherlock Holmes phase. I was trying to buy one of those Hunter hats as well. How do you justify buying an electronic pipe? I just thought to myself a bit of class about that. Yeah. I'm not good now if I'm in the pool but I have the pipe inside of the electronic. You wouldn't do that, would you? You did, didn't you? Yeah, Jesus Christ. Bloody, the stupidest thing you ever bought. I'm trying to wreck my brands. We did the war style probably a couple of years ago. I set up a boy pair of training boots. Cheaper pair of training boots and a boy pair of Kilmer. 'Cause I thought we'd kill them from Spain. Right. Warden for two training sessions and me. Air just collapsed and bought me. [Laughter] That's not one of a loy. That's a compadure. That's anti-active. Yeah, I wish it was horrific. Yeah, yeah. No sponsorship from that lot for us now. [Laughter] And the anti-suggestions for a stupidest thing ever bought. I used to buy a Sparta item from pretty much every spark. Like, on stage, I had a baseball bat. Fucking tennis rackets. Fucking everything. Yeah, but I built my car out of the evening. [Laughter] So far, I built some golf clubs in a Snailcrack queue. I was at an OCD table tennis, what? I was at an OCD thing. Like, did you honestly ever think of you using them like that? It was just I'd be watching Helly and next thing I'd see, Tillfellers playing table tennis or something. I don't know. Oh, fuck it, what was that? I'm getting them. [Laughter] We could be there. We could be there. I'll take the table tennis though. [Laughter] Our league and my team's like squash rackets and all. I've never played squashy and I had a squash racket. [Laughter] Basically, if you go into Aldia a little, there's a bunch of chance I don't come out with some of the stupidest things ever. Yeah, but it shines on. [Laughter] And a wetsuit and a pair of cycling gloves. But he often did a bit of wonder what it shines on. [Laughter] You know yourself, yeah, yeah. Paul Murray is wondering, this is an interesting one for actually, what I'm asking you boys from City Boys that you are. He wonders how the routine of milking cows was discovered. In other words, how did people discover that that stuff that comes out of that thing you could actually digest and it was lovely? You know how it is? [Laughter] I'll do a few videos. [Laughter] I said he got us a rice when they tried the ball. [Laughter] This is taking a bit long. Yeah. [Laughter] That asteroid is not quite, not quite as tasty in that chocolate. [Laughter] Yeah, moving swiftly. I don't milk, he has one that comes out of cows. Oh, Jesus. [Laughter] [Laughter] For fuck's sake. Barry Carr, we're finished with Barry's question. Barry wants to know, what's your favourite animal noise to reproduce? So, that's your leisure, gents. Your favourite animal noise? [Laughter] Bloody whiteing under. [Laughter] And you've got one. And your quest? [Laughter] You've got a variety, have you? Just leave me. Gonna give me a lip. [Laughter] Leave me. [Laughter] Erm, I'll give a kale a bite. Go, go for kale, yeah, go for it. [Laughter] You're regretting this already. [Laughter] How do you do it? [Laughter] In one. [Laughter] It's looking brilliant, Bonnie Stark. Do it again, do it again. [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I'm fully special, but... [Laughter] Oh my, what's this? Fucking far left. [Laughter] Excuse you. [Laughter] Alright. [Laughter] When we finish this, we always do it with some admin. Irish listeners who like playing football should come and do so here at Astro Park. You can book your pitch time at Astro Park.ie. On our website, lfcdaytrippers.com. We've lots of stuff there that will interest you. Fantastic articles from some very fine writers indeed. The day trip we spoke to you about over the last couple of weeks is on November the 1st. LFC fans from all over the country will be heading to Wallford for an overnight or in the Dooley Hotel. We're going to be there. We're going to be recording something. So if you want to get involved, get on to YNWA Irish Reds. As we said at the top of the show, you should get into the stonebolt and sunday early for a bit of crack and a bit of a laugh. We might even record something that's not too libelous and no fights break out. So we probably won't record anything. 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On this weeks Hodgementum episode its a debate fest. We have www.irishprokeepers.com owner and goalkeeping coach Darren Kelly on the difficulties of coaching a goalkeeper to fundamentally change their style. We debate the concept of momentum with Joseph Pepper and Dan Kennett and does it exist - oooooh philosophical i tells ya. We round up with a preview of QPR and other trippers chats goodness. Don’t forget to come along and join us for the QPR match at the Stoneboat in Kimmage on Sunday 19th October with our good friends from the Anfield Wrap Neil Atkinson and John Gibbons. They are there to launch their book Make us Dream and we are there to help them. We’ll then row over the QPR match before kick off and at first half events during half time. Its free entry but once the room is full its full. The show starts around noon so by their by then or you won’t get in.
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