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So what in the name of Sony? Jay's went wrong. Well, joining me on the line, we will have pod debutant and writer Par excellence, Harry Sethi. Jay Riley will preview the West Ham game with us. And joining me in the bunker to speak about systems, personnel, and managers are returning lost sheep, Dave of the Valley's Thomas, and Molly will also have a little essay in it. Creepy formy stock around the young is also going to add his opinion and jinxing bastard Phil Casey is always here. Yeah. I suppose we have to begin with the unmitigated awfulness that was the report Nail Aston Villa 1. Some terrible feelings of déjà vu here, folks, who at Liverpool are contribing to lose to this laugh yet again. Can you explain what Rogers is thinking, what's he up to persisting with a system that doesn't appear to suit our players? Harry, you might get a start on that. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a mixture of two things, really, I think, all the injuries that we've suffered, particularly allens maybe, and it's sort of forced, it's sort of forced the team we had to play in the end, you're throwing six starters in there, or six relatively new players and two who never keep the ball for us, really, in a competitive game too much. I think also part of it was maybe a bit of a fear for Gerard, and what Villa did to Gerard last time, it came to own field, I mean, you could argue that this game is another example of where they've, you know, by stopping Gerard in a way, they have really affected the way we played. I think Rogers put Henderson alongside Gerard because he was worried of what Weimann, and I don't know, maybe run some and feel like Westwood could potentially do to Gerard. I'd bond the whole definitely. And I think, you know, we've all seen, you know, Giles never ever played well on a two. I think the whole worlds are in Brazil, so I don't really see why there's a reason to play him in a two other than maybe the injuries that we've suffered and just maybe a lingering fear from Rogers about what Villa may have done. I mean, they targeted Gerard regardless, you know, but you know, we were really deep and really slow and having Henderson that deep alongside and didn't help as we know that, you know, he can be the force that he is when he's further forward and whether he really affected the pace of our game, really, we can create that much. Yeah, I mean, even if Chan's fit, perhaps that doesn't happen, but you know, with Allen and Chan out and Sterling playing, you know, two 90 minutes in a row, thanks to Roy. I mean, there's not maybe too many options you could have gone with. Yeah, that is interesting. Ali, where would you stand on that idea of the manager's decision to play Henderson alongside Gerard? The manager's decision to go over the two midfield. Harry makes a very interesting point, but maybe they was trying to look after him after the unfortunate incidents of last year, is it that or does he just lose his marbles against Aston Villa? What happened there? Well, maybe like a lot of us, we kind of expected a little bit of pressure from Villa at the very beginning. Like last year. So I think Rogers had on the back of his head, you know, you need to prevent what happened last year, because he's thinking, why wouldn't they try that again? It works out effectively, but instead, Villa were very patient and we played a very patient game. And it was the whole thing where Rogers feels like, you know, if you dominate possession, chances are you're going to win. And I was quite surprised that Norton changed a half time, but Rogers was saying to be kind of adamant that if they kept problem, kept problem, kept problem, did eventually scar. Yeah. Right now, it's quite obvious it was the wrong way to approach the game. Now the two, the two in the middle, like being at the game, I felt very disheartened afterwards and felt true to game. I felt like we never played well at all, but watching them back today, it wasn't as bad as I thought. And I actually taught that Jared and Henderson didn't do too bad, like they, one of them always got out of that deeper position if we're going forward. So it was never a case where like we're lacking bodies up a couple. And you bring in two attacking fallbacks like Moreno and Mancullo, and then you block them by playing with fellows who want to stick on the line, because Margaret wanted to stay in on the line. The line stayed very wide. They can't get forward. So it just looked very dysfunctional. And then right in the middle was Balletelli, completely isolated. And he got the, like I didn't really even notice on the day again, but he got the ship kicked out. Yeah. And he wasn't happy camper at all. And I think like you're relying on the wrong fellow there, if you want to dig out something. You know, I think he's going to be good for us when we were playing well. Yeah. But there was a game that just, just didn't go well on the day, let's just say, like, you know, and it could have been totally different. And we could be, we could be looking back and saying, you know, I'll fair play for Rogers. He changed it there in a suit with, if we had a scarred early on, or, I mean, if he had a got a goal, it only would have took us, you know, a good piece, a piece delivery. And all of a sudden, it's one hour, a villa would have had to come out down. And then we had to exploit it. There's a lot of revisionism that goes on, isn't there? Because we all saw that line up and we all thought, Jesus, that's, I mean, all the injuries we have. But that's a good looking team and on paper at least. And look to go team. I mean, as we discussed before, it's not always the shape where Rogers, it's the philosophy and the past and the quick moving and the tempo, but the tempo wasn't there. So it wasn't, once blamed the formation of such, it was just the tempo wasn't there. Yeah. And I used to make a vision, they're only in the door. They're not really drilled into doing what they're supposed to do, like just quite yeah. So I think the two fellas could have done themselves more fair as they seemed to go out there and try not to give Rogers an excuse to drop them. But instead, they should have went out and gave Rogers a reason to leave them in the team. Yeah, I know. So it was limited risks being taken there, what they were afraid to lose the ball and afraid. They'll come back to them, they were just too very ordinary performance. I won't say they were shit, it was just ordinary. You did afterwards. But I felt like they were terrible at the time. I felt like it was all their fault because looking at the back for and looking at Jared and Henderson the way they operated, I didn't think from there back was too bad, but it just felt like Catenio, Balotelli, Margavic, Lilana, just like some, they lacked all the ideas. Can I ask you the YouTube boys throughout the game? Just to get away from the actual analysis again from where we get back to it, but the atmosphere again, further through the TV scenes. Yeah. And I think that's what had me down with it as well. I think I felt because it was so quiet, it's the quietest I can't remember, and I know it's got quieter over the years, it has done, but I felt that there was a lot of giving out and ground for a team, and a team that was nearly winning the league last year. That's strange, that shouldn't really bear expectation. Look at the two teams that are pointing it out for that league, probably this year. We are a good bit behind, so you shouldn't feel down just because it's a difficult game against Aston Villa because they could generally make a difficult course. I have to say it's quite irritating when you're not there and you can't inflows at all, even by shouting them wrong. So did you feel the same? Did it feel quiet to you in the stadium? Yeah. If we can, I'd like to talk about that in Triple Chats as a general thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, seriously, because I think it is. It's an interesting concept in terms of the way that the ground is and the way that the seat and everything is set up. So I'd like to talk about it then, but on the actual day itself, after you never walk alone was finished. There was almost 15, 20 minutes before the crowd sang a song. Yeah. Like on January, in fact, I was sitting in, I was in the mainstand, started down towards where the villa fans are, and they spent 20 minutes taking the piss out of the Liverpool fans for, you know, recording us a lawyer breed or going, shh, all this type of, where's your famous atmosphere, you know, that type of thing, and there was nothing coming back at them. Yeah. Well, as you say, there are multiple reasons for that, but it certainly doesn't help. Dave, let's get back to the game itself. The goal itself was a catalogue of errors, I guess you could say, maybe one particular. How do you feel our back four is developing? Do you see signs of them jamming, or you're hopeful about how it's going to pan out? An awful lot of people were saying an awful lot of knee jerky stuff in the immediate aftermath from it. So, I mean, let me talk in general and then I'll talk about the goal, right? So, first of all, I think we said, if we said at the beginning of the season, what's our best back four, right? 95% of the players we have available would say this is our best back four, right? Yeah. So, when Lovren starts with Skirtle, everyone is going, got to play soccer, got to play soccer, right? So, finally, soccer gets a game and, you know, I think we said on this part, you know, got to give them 10 games, you can't be chopping a change, you've got to give them 10 games, right? So, they play two games together, they can see the one goal in that back four, right? And I thought, what happened against Spurs is they were a little rusty in the beginning, but after half-time, they worked it out. They totally, they knew what they were doing, totally dominant. Against Aston Villa, they were shaking for 20 minutes, after 20 minutes, they worked it out. Now, they weren't under a lot of pressure, because Villa was sitting back. So, as Andy said, it's not like they were being tested a lot, but there was no scary moments after the goal goes in. So, my feeling on the back four is that it is the best back four we've got. It is better than what we had last year. I like what they're trying to do. I like the fact that Laverne and Sacco are proactive, kind of go and win everything, win it high, get us going, get us on the front foot. I like that they do that. The downside of this, right, is that occasionally, they're going to look stupid because they're going to come and try and win something and they're not going to win it, right? But it's easy to drop, say, a character into that back four or Skirtle, because this is what Skirtle does, who drags it back five yards and just sits in with all everything in front of them, trying when the first ball then drop, trying when the first ball then drop. We don't do that. So, I am happy for now, we're not happy, obviously, but I think that the mistakes we're making are for the greater good because we are playing better. In terms of this goal, you know, it's never a corner, should never be a corner for a couple of reasons. And I actually think, I'll let Phil talk about many legs and he gets some observations about that. So, it's never a corner. Sako's got to clear that ball. Love Run gets into a struggle, which center halves do, right? This is, you know, watch any game, any set piece, any corner, center halves and strikers get into it. Sometimes the striker gets in first, sometimes the center half gets in first. Nine times out of ten, the ball doesn't go near them, so it doesn't make a difference. Then Ross wins the header, and for me, and I watched it again today, three players at least should clear that second ball. Sako gets fouled, but I still think he could get a f*** to it. Jared decided to body pop or something in the middle of the goal. Lallana moves from one side of the goal to the other, and Minuli does his best jellyfish impression, you know? So, yeah, Love Run is at fault, it's a shambles. But if you're telling me that none of four players react to that second ball in the box, I bond the hole, it doesn't even kick the ball, and it kind of falls off his leg and rolls in. I mean, Phil could have ran from the stand into the goal and saved it, that's how slow it went. So, as far as I'm concerned, we could- In my mighty red costume- In your mighty red, we can, you know, we can blame the- there's- it's a clusterf*** of a goal. Yeah. But it isn't solely because Love Run loses his man, because Love Run does lose his man, but that happens at every penalty box, in every game, ten times a game, and nine times that it's anyone can punish for it. But we should also win the second ball. Phil, talk to me about Minuli, and talk to me about the corner. Yeah, it's- I wrote a thing after the Southampton game, commended Minuli for an improved performance and that he was more proactive, he was higher up in his box, he was coming for crosses, he was being commanded, he was coming out, you know, he was taking pressure off the center back from the ball, he was coming through, he was in a higher position, so he was able to take it. Since the City game, he's reverted right the way back to what he was like at the start of the last season, he's glued to the line again, it takes him a long while to move up in the box to the fence, moves out. As the ball has played true for that goal, for what leads on to the actual corner itself, Minuli makes a shout at Sako, and it wasn't in the way, he's shout, like, you know, he can tell the difference because normally his hands are out, and he's screaming away in times where it is. And for what I read was, at that time, because it was early in the game, I was going to pay a fair bit of attention to Minuli, because there's no real stats in the market about for goalkeeper, so I was trying to look at his position and hold up, and I wasn't anticipating you know, Villa getting the goal early against us, then you're sort of engrossing the actual matches it goes on. So I'm firmly of the belief that Minuli has indicated to Sako that he's coming for the ball, or to let the ball run true, and then he either realizes that the ball isn't moving as quickly as he thought, and doesn't come. So Sako then has to react to what's going on and concedes the actual corner. He does get his legs in a bit of a tanger when he turns around, and then it ends up giving away the concession to corner. But you know, had he screamed at Sako in a way, he shouts, given that the ground wasn't like massively noisy, so you couldn't, like, you could hear shouts that were going on on the actual pitch itself, I'm just, I'm there going, Jesus man, you know, that's the type of stuff, that's goalkeeping one on one, you know, be clear and concise in your direction to your defender, if you're giving him a hint to, you know, to come back to here, or whatever, then you've got to commit yourself, like, if that was Laurie's, and I hate comparing goalkeepers, but if you go back to Sako playing for Spain, if that's Laurie's, Laurie's gives a shout and he'll commit and you'll just go, he'll just go, and Sako will be, you know, will turn, he'll go with him to try to shepherd the ball back or provide protection to his goalkeeper, and no, and center has his size, are able to generally shepherd the ball back, even if it turns into a bit of a 50-50 situation, then you fucking complain afterwards, you know, that was a shit shout, don't fucking do it again, just let me know to clear the ball or something like that. So, and that feeds its way through the game because he's so indecisive, throughout the whole game Christ, he comes for about two or three corners, or starts to come, and moves two, three yards, and it looks like, and then he drops back onto his line again, as it's coming, and to me it just, we're talking about the 20 minutes, that's when they had that little spell, that's when they were getting the corners and the whole hour, and for me it's almost like that indecisiveness, so to almost, you know, then goes through the rest of the back four that's there. I'm quite disappointed because he'd played so well against Southampton, I was saying, yeah, this kid can actually step up another, and he's not a kid, he's 26 this year, he's headed towards 27, you know, he's coming into the age of the whole keeper, he's going to be starting to put in his big performances and make a big difference, and there's just, he's just so indecisive, and it's interesting that this week is the first time I've seen Rogers come out and openly criticise Minule in the press, and I mean, like, openly, and he rarely comes out with a hard message unless they feel it has come towards, you know, a point where his career or, sorry, his position has come under threat in the actual team, and, you know, with the rumours of Valdez and all, it doesn't surprise me that Rogers has been out in the actual press about it. I think the worries, the worries of him, he said that Minule needs to be a lot more commanding, a lot more vocal in the back, it's a better organised defence, and he's never, he's never, even with Ryan, he, despite all that was going on, he never came out and said something like that in terms of what was there. The worry of Minule right now for me is that, you know, you've always been able to make the argument that, you know, the good thing he does outweighs the bad, right? That he makes, you know, he makes saves that he should make, you know, he, he makes solid saves, and he was a great shortstop and all this kind of stuff, but I think, you know, the game against City, you know, you know, he should do better, and I think that, you know, when you see him, then the goal we can see yesterday, it's not a, it's not, he's flattered across, the balls in front of it, the balls in front of him moving a form as an hour, and as a goalkeeper, he doesn't have the reaction or the presence of mind to collect the ball, to win the second ball, even if he's just booting it away, you know, I just, so for me, it's like, when you start, I've always been really defensive about him because I thought, you know, if you look at his first season with us, he made so many saves that outdid his flaps, but I just feel like, you know what happens with goalkeepers, where they're brain, it just, it's a point to no return, it's like, when Forlan scored against Dudek, and he was just never the same after that, never the same after that, and that's my worry with him, or even when the, the, the Illinois intensity, sorry, the 10/11 season, when Hodgson was there at four, six months, with, with Rayna, his confidence just goes, his form went, and that was the end of Rayna. That's it, and I just, I'm worried about that. Harry, you, you, you did a big article, well, a podcast, and you've done a great article as well, and I don't feel indexed about the defensive errors. Looking at that, what was your take on, on what went on in the back, because to be honest with you, like, after the sport to go, and I know it was, it was six minutes into the game. So I had to set pieces, they were fairly solid, I wasn't, I wasn't imagining things. No, I mean, I, I slightly differ on, on, on Dave's opinion on it. I mean, I think, for watching over and over again, I mean, it looks like Lovren does his best skirtle impression, really. I mean, he, he never, he never gets into a position where he's, he's, he's prioritizing, you're attacking that ball. You know, just, just clearing it, you know, focus on nothing else, but, you know, meeting that ball and clearing it, you know, properly grabbing onto Sandra. I said, yeah, like, like Dave said, every now and then, you are going to lose one of those, you know, one of those wrestling matches, and you, you give away quite a lot by losing that first header. I mean, we've seen Skirtle do it with company countless times. He always loses it. You know, you never wins that battle. But I agree about Minule. I mean, I think it's been exaggerated more in the games that have happened so far because I think, like you were saying, he, he is, he is attempting to transition or at least trying to do things differently. You can, you can, you can notice the position, you know, the starting position in the box. He did, he did try and come, but then you can see how fragile his confidence is and, and, and how he's just, he's not comfortable with it at all. So, I mean, if, if we are going for Valdez, when, you know, the rumors have died down a bit, really, but that strikes me as a weird one as well because, you know, you speak to Basa fans and they, you know, they rave about his last season with the club and you great shot, stop a good personality, and, you know, great with the ball, you know, good sweeper. But the one thing he's not and never has been is a good, you know, doesn't command the box very well from set pieces. That's the one thing he, he doesn't do. So, I mean, me and David speaking about this earlier, I mean, Valdez could be a short term option, but I wouldn't really be too comfortable with him in the long run because I think, although he's better in some instances, he's, he suffers from the same, the same sort of weaknesses. But I mean, would we, would we be happy with Minhalei just doing what he's comfortable with and, you know, being that shot stopper and at least the centre backs would then know he's not coming, you know, for anything. I think the problem we've got right now is that the whole defence has moved up five yards and Minhalei has moved. So, I think the problem we've got is that there's no way Lovren turns into the defence of the drops five yards, right? So, and if you bring Skirtle back in and he does start dropping, then that's going to cause some of the issues that we go, we saw against against City. So, if I just, if we bring, if we bring Valdez, it's just just coming up to Harry's point in terms of what he is, right? If we bring Valdez in, he would be equivalent of when Arsenal brought Lehman into the Arsenal side, right? He's not going to look commanding in the air, but what he is is he's incredibly unorthodox in the same way Lehman was an unorthodox in his goalkeeping, but he will play five yards higher and he'll be a lot more comfortable with the ball at his feet. So, if you're talking, he takes nearly every box apart from, you know, being a Schmuykel on the crosses in terms of what it is, and he's going to frustrate people in his style of play because that, but that, it's very effective, is stop shots. He has some of the best shot stopping attributes in terms of what he had in Spain and won more clean sheets. Now, of course, that comes from playing with Barcelona, but there's a lot in there, you know, he was left exposed enough a lot of the times when he was playing for Barcelona as well, because they were hardly no defense of the year most of the time, you know, they left them out so open. It immediately never came for a shot, but swept up after the defense. I wouldn't give a shit. I swear to God, if he flapped at everything, they came in the box because, you know, the percentage of set pieces that you can see from it's so small, you know, the reality is I wouldn't care if he never caught the cross. What I worry about is, like on Saturday, the ball's coming back towards a Masaco really wants his keeper to come and get it, so he can ship at the defender away and the keeper comes to get the ball or whatever. And I just, that's my worry right now is, it's fucked the crosses. You know, if I was the coach, I'd be saying, don't worry about crosses, just move five yards off your line. And if you see the ball coming towards you, shout and come and get it. Right. I think the thing that worries me about it is, I'm not sure the centre backs actually know what Minule is going to do because of the early signs we saw of him trying to change his game. I mean, we saw it last season as well. I mean, we knew after about 10 games that he wasn't coming off his line, but for some reason, Scuttle or Aga didn't realize that. But, you know, this season where it's clear he has tried initially to change his game and he might still be trying, he might, you know, still be receiving that coaching. I don't think the centre backs know if he's coming or not. And that, that indecision is even worse for me. So I'd rather we just pick one and the centre backs know exactly what he's going to do. But yeah, to do that, you used to be more vocal as well. And like Phil said, if that shout was wrong, then, you know, there's nothing the centre back can really do about that. That's, that's just poor keeping, so. Sure. How would they know? Like, they don't know each other at all. Yeah, really. What's that enough for me to reach your games? I don't suck on Minule. Of all the players, I don't want that I've been there since, you know, since last season, they did last season together. So, you know, okay, but Sacco was in and out of team and, you know, he hasn't, he still hasn't really settled. And you wouldn't, you wouldn't ascribe. I'm not, I'm not trying to say, you know, Sacco should just play percentages and ignore the show from Minule. But at the same time, if a goalkeeper shouts and gives the, and tells him, you know, to come back to me or whatever it is that he showed that I'm right. Then the defender is, is at the liberty of the show that went on. If he changes his mind, the only thing the defender can do then is retry retrieve the actual situation. And, you know, that's what, in my opinion, Sacco did, the only thing that he possibly did wrong was that he gave the corner away. Had he given a trail away? Yeah, he got it. You know, it was to change a mind that sort of, you know, then he can't read justice fee, then he's, then he's given away a corner. If he, if he, if he, if he, if I don't know how you get more alert to, oh no, hang on, I'll change my mind. And then, you know, you're ready for putting it out because if the center half is tink in that way, then he's got no faith in his goalkeeper. And that's, that's, that's a bigger issue because I mean, it's a poor goal on all that. Yeah, it's a poor goal on it. Sure, even the corner, like, I, I, for a split second, they looked as the corner was hitting, I was thinking, geez, that's an awful looking corner. You know, it was so slow. He couldn't just punch to the end towards the near post. And I was thinking, he's like, you don't often see a corner like that in the Premier League. He normally, they're sick and then in like fucking bullet time. And you were watching a normal time going, what is going on? Yeah, yeah, last fall and over backwards. It was weird because it was so quiet because it was so quiet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought, I thought you were 20. I was going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It actually took the valley fans a few seconds to realize that it was a goal. But I, I actually think that they taught something because the way Mankilo falls over, I thought that was a, there was a free out after me. The man on the ball kind of went into the goal. Like, it didn't even look like the whistlers gone and the people have left it. Yeah, you know, Andy, let's move to the far side of the pitch now. I'm quoting some excellent television, poetry, that I saw at the weekend. Vallana, shit, Catenio, shit, Markovid, shit, Balotelli, shit. The, the, actually, oh, actually that was you. This guy's blasting everyone on my football cards. Now, I know for a fact that you revised your opinion on that. I know it was, it was, it was hitting them all with all the rest of it. And what, what was it that, that, that you thought was the reason, having seen it now and seen it a little bit again, again, what were they so out of sync, was it just simply just too many new faces in it? It was not the game. Yeah, I think it was a bit... Yeah. For two players like that to make it our, their debut was such, you know, a home on starting. It's going to be, it's going to be difficult. You can't really accommodate so many Debbieans like that, you know. And then, when you look like last year, like, obviously Suarez was our biggest threat and then storage and then Sterling. Now, you remove all of them all at once. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, what do you expect to kind of happen? Like, did L'Alanna is a decent player? He's not going to just jump up to the plate and all of a sudden, this fella's going to start banging goals in. And Markovich for all his waffling, like, I mean, I think he should, that was proof now. He needs to shut his mouth. Yeah. Because he's not, he's not, he's not going to just, like, take this Premier League, which star, like, he's, to me, he hasn't impressed me at all. But you see potential, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. But he, to me, it was, it was just, as I said earlier, they, they just didn't want to give Rodgers an excuse to drop. And they didn't want to lose the ball. And then they're out of team, whatever I choose, they are out of team next week. They wanted to just annoys the handy debut there and not do anything wrong. But unfortunately, we needed somebody on the pitch that was going to take the, well, especially in the attacking areas and take the game with a scruff of the neck. Yeah. And across them tree, that wasn't. Now we're top. Catania was, again, he's, he started slow like he did last year and I didn't think he was great. But they didn't do him any favor. It's like, you know, a little bit more movement up front. Yeah. You know, it was very static. You know, like, I mean, Jesus Christ, Rodgers has the players buzzing around. And wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, weren't they? You know, but again, they're new and that you're going to have that even if even a la lana only started and somebody else played a sterling played, you could accommodate one. So I think again, it's just communication and similar to what's being happening to back, bit of communication. Yeah, should have been rectified at half time, because it was pretty much the same thing again. Yeah. Like there was no desperate, there was no desperation. Like there was no fuck, you know, when you know it, we're winning all the time at the very end, it fuck everything out of him. Yeah, didn't see the sense of bringing Bala Telly off. Yeah, you put every, every attack and threat on and you crowd the box. I mean, there was times under a floating cross is in. So we'll keep throwing the crosses in when you have players in the box. There was no sense of bringing Bala Telly off. Like, you know, you get everyone and most of our leaders too, and they'll are treating now. And then the golden chance does drop to the chap who's just woefully at a farm and compliments. So do you want to recommend there? Yeah, I think, you know, there's two elements to this. You've got a lot of attackers making their debut, their home debut in Bala Telly's case as well. And on the flip side of it, they're playing in a formation that if you had said the week beforehand, what formation will they already likely turn up in, you wouldn't have said that formation, okay, which is sort of brought on because of the injuries. We lost two of our sentiment fielders during the week. I taught a simple change. And we could have done it after 24, 30 minutes because it was a quick learn was you could have dropped Coutinho back in, you could have gone back to the dorm and drop Coutinho into the sentiment field and put Lana in as the 10 and move Mark of the Chimby side Bala Telly, you know, to give to give that pace to give that thing around him so that the two center backs were occupied as opposed to the two center backs being able to kick the shot out of Bala Telly up top on his own. I don't know what Bala Telly did after about 20 minutes was he started going looking for space in the pitch. Now, people were saying, you know, he was drifting, but what he was, again, it comes back to a point that Andy made later on. He naturally gravitates and in the way that Suarez does, he naturally gravitates out to the left hand side of the pitch. So now what you had was you had Lana hugging the touchline, you had Moreno trying to get into space because that's how he plays the game. And he also had Bala Telly over on that side because that's where he wants to attack from. And we had nothing. What's needed there is when Bala Telly comes out, he's creating space for Lana to attack from the left line to go central and start to just pull players around because the center backs were coming with him and creating space in behind him. The couple of times we do that. The couple of times that Lana went in behind Bala Telly at the ones where Bala Telly was able to get the layoff to him and he got the shot away that was close. The Bala Telly was able to turn the defender, get the shot away, the deflection off, hot and terror that just went more in the post. And then conversely, the Markovitch chance and Bala Telly had pulled away, taken one on the center backs. Markovitch cuts inside. Manquilla was able to get down the right flank then with the ball across. And I totally believe it. Markovitch knocked on for the header, had he let it go, but was bang on his head for an easy header into the goal. So there's a bit of, it's the two bits that happened there. You've got a different shape in terms of what the players are probably expecting to play. You have no rectification when you could see that the shape wasn't working out in terms of how do you play on the pitch. And then you've also got the whole issue of just a lack of movement. So when continuous on the ball, he was taking one, two, three touches and nobody was moving from. Because I don't think they're quite sure what the movement was meant to be. Andy mentioned earlier on, there needs to be someone on the pitch who's setting the tempo, like Suarez did, like Sturridge does, like Stirling does when he starts. And there's nobody setting that pace and nobody's setting that tempo. So you've got lads kind of buzzing around, you know, not really getting them. You don't have to be Louis Suarez to be busy. That's exactly it. And it looks sadly lacking from what we could say on the team. It just looked to me like Ballotelli was very easy to handle on the day. And again, so are Markovitch and Alana. Yeah. But that's something that if you even if you look at Sturridge, he doesn't get across the back four as he Suarez does. He presses at the center point. And that's the thing. You can't equate, Suarez is unique. He's in the way he presses back at the back four because nobody really does it like him. No, but when you're missing that and the movement, you know, it's a big loss. Harry, what did you think of the substitutions and the way in which Brandon used them? Is it another sort of reason why he's maybe a little bit culpable for a result, or do you think he actually handled the substitutions quite well? I mean, Sterling, there's not really much you can fault him for that. I mean, you could tell you want to protect him. He came out in the media and spoke about the need to protect Sterling. And you know, after two, you know, two 90 minutes where he definitely put a hell of a lot of effort into those England games. So you can't, you can't just, you know, you can't understand him in waiting to bring him on. And it was might have been tempting to make it earlier, but I understand that one. I mean, with, with Barini and Lambert, I don't really see the point of bringing both of them on, actually. I mean, I just, you know, I do see the point because they're in bad, so they went off. But for me, I would have, I would have, I would have given Barini a start, actually. And that's like, yeah, it probably won't, not everyone will agree with that. But yeah, the one thing Barini does give you, and it's, you know, famous on Twitter now, his, you know, his famous movement. So you can, that's the one thing I thought was lacking, you know, next about it, I thought, whenever we looked slightly threatening, which wasn't very often, it was when Markovich drifted in, essentially, where he seemed a lot more comfortable drifting in, and he'd go into some good positions. I think if you remember that Moreno, if Moreno, you know, he looked across the tip, it was a tap in, it was in good position. But I thought he looked, he looked good whenever he drifted centrally. And that gave, you know, gave Barini some sort of, you know, partner who could, you know, just distracting her for a little bit and give a bit of space. So I would have, I was surprised, we went with Barini up front on his own, because I just don't think against that sort of defense or that sort of, you know, those sorts of tactics, he's not really going to do much without movement, really cutting in and supporting him. So the subs were, well, I mean, I think, I think you can say neither of them had any sort of impact whatsoever. I'm not sure how many touches Barini even got. I mean, I saw his first one was that he kicked it straight off the pitch. We're from the troll. Yeah, which, you know, I mean, I like the guy, but, you know, that couldn't have been, that couldn't have been good. So, when he does it, like, you can just hear the ground that went around was as well. Yeah, I mean, it's just, I think it's, it's really, it's not going to help the guys. I mean, he's, you can see he was disappointed. He was disappointed. He was only one to come off the pitch and his first touch was that. I mean, he was, he was clearly up for it. I mean, he's, you know, trying to buzz around, but I don't think it was the right. Well, I would like, I liked us and had an impact, but I don't think it was the right situation, really. I mean, it was the only cool Rogers could have made maybe, I mean, he could have made it earlier. Yeah, yeah, that, that is the interesting thing. And that's one of the things that's level on him that he's very, he's very rigid. And when, when he makes substitutions and, and the way in which he goes about it, Dave, the other man that came on with Berenia Lambert, talked to me about his impact. The Scouse Aspos. Oh, that's harsh. Talk to me about Ricky Lambert. How'd you feel he did, apart from, obviously, he did miss a glorious chance? Well, I mean, of all the things that happened on Saturday, the thing I would be most critical of Brendan, for is not making a change earlier. I would have brought Lambert on to play up top with Balotelian, then gone to the Diamond, was sterling in the 10 drop Coutinho deeper. Personally, that's what I would have done. I think, I think Lambert taken Saturday aside, but I actually think every game he's come on, he's done. Okay. Yeah, like, I think he's actually, I think he won, you know, he changed the game for us against that. I'm done. I think he looked good against sitting when he came on, didn't have to do anything against Boozin in yesterday. I think, that's a Hail Mary pass for Lambert yesterday, right? You throw him on with Berenia, we're one-nil down against a packed defense. The fuck's he going to do? You know, it's just... Well, when the ball comes from the left-hand side of the box, it's obvious what you should do. But like, he doesn't even need my contact with the ball. Is that a guy who's hopelessly out of confidence? I'm sure, I'm sure his confidence is in Skye. Hi, when, you know, his manager gets us in a press conference beforehand. Is this a chance to maybe Ricky Lambert will start him? Roger says, well, if he doesn't, he'll start against Middlesbrough. You know, I think that's not exactly a, you know, motivation, you know, injection for him. Yes, he should do better. Yes, he should have done better in... But so, so should everyone on Saturday. I just think, you know, it's difficult to judge Lambert when you're putting him in next to, you know, Berenia, who, for me, you know, it's just not good enough, like, yeah, I mean, I see what Lambert brings. I don't see what Berenia brings to the side. I just don't see it. I mean, I'm amazed that he threw Berenia on at the same time. So I would have brought Lambert on 10 minutes early, I'd given him 10 minutes with Ballotelli up front, said, okay, let's go to the diamond, let's see what we can do. Lambert's got, you know, got a lot of bad his game that he's not showing at the moment. That's the reality of it, right? And that's either confidence or when I'm playing him right or whatever it is. He may never work out Lambert, right? He may never work out. But, you know, in the grand scheme of things, that's not going to be the difference between us being successful or not. On him, right? And he's better than an aspects. Well, I'll tell you one thing, Dave, if it wasn't Ricky Lambert and it was somebody else, that was Devock Origi instead of Ricky Lambert and he was putting in those performances, right? People would be calling him the new and go. And that's straight up because people will be really despondent with the type of performance that was put in the industry. I think it is. I think there's a lot to do that we are more lenient with how we see players that are seen as, you know, local boys and all that type of stuff with, you know, big backstories, you know, and give them a chance to get in the side. But one thing I will that frustrated me when he did come on was that our set piece delivery doesn't change to suit him. Now, and I'm not saying he's the architiple big man, but he's going, he's pulling to the back post, looking for either a knockdown or to get a thing away. And we're still playing all our set pieces to the front post and we're getting cleared nearly every single time. And one of the good things that we were last year was we were brilliant. We scored the most goals off set pieces and we haven't looked at them at all this year from set pieces when it's come to it. It's like we've forgotten all the good things that we did last year. And arguably, we have better players for scoring set piece goals than we had last year. And that was that was the one for strikes and that if you're going to put them in there and we are really pressed on against Villa at this stage, at least give him some quality delivery that he can work on. And that's my point, right? You know, you can't you don't put him on that or not change your game to play him. I mean, to be honest with you, right, as a Welsh man who lives in Ireland, I'm not anymore dispossessed, disposed of Ricky Lambe because he's from fucking Liverpool. I don't care where he's from. I mean, it's more that I don't want to write to anyone off after four games. You know, I don't want to make a decision on a player after four games that says he is this or he's not good enough. I think he may never be good enough. But until we use him right and until we give him a chance and say, okay, we're going to play on a system that works for you and a way that works for you. I just I don't see what he's ever going to do. Yeah, he's on the hiding to nothing, isn't he? I don't know. I don't understand why we're talking about what not was specifically but everyone that he's such an integral player in the squad. He was brought in to command off. Exactly. You know, stories doesn't play in 90 minutes. He was brought on for that job. He's not being brought into bolster attack. Like, we know he's proven in the primary vegan scars, that's a gospel. Look, there's a fellow that's being brought in to come off the bench. You know, fill a gap. He's going to have to take it's going to take a while for him to get used to not playing for a start. We play weekend, we go for a single time to 90 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. You know, so like, go take more, go take more while to get used to that as well. Which could easily explain why you might you miss a chance at the one he had. But his touch does seem to be in even the little cameo he had for England. Like, he is tidy on the football. Oh, yeah. Look, I think he's a very decent player. Like, you know, but like, what I just thought away everyone is like going on as if this is like some sort of replacement for us. It's not the case. Like, we have a spoken back leak. I mean, we've a player coming in like, you know, in Ballotelli and he's not on much either. But like, we're all expecting magic, you know? I'm caught in a heavy break. Yeah. I just think it's funny the players to get a break. So, you know, Raheem Sterling is a wonderful player, right? It's going to be world class. But when he hits Henderson, that's a worse miss than Lambert's miss. Yeah. Right. Sterling should score that rebound. Or he should at least hit the target there. That's hitting the corner flag. But nobody is, nobody's, you know, debriefing after the game saying, Sterling, Mr. Chance, I'm just giving an example of like, you know, we forgive so much in certain areas. Exactly. Yeah. People just speak. Other people, we just, just before I wrap up, I know we mentioned that continue. If you look at when we change shape, that's in that second half. And continue got to play in that position. He comes alive for 20 minutes. He was the best player on the park for us. And he gets that chance. Yeah. And Moreno as well. Going back to what I said about the fourth half, the way it was overloaded on the left hand side. Moreno can't affect the game. He only affects it once. When he got a bit of space, Ballotelli played the lovely ball around the corner. And then Moreno gets onto it. What goes, the issue there was Moreno's first half was to shoot after Spores, hesitates for a second, then looks to square to Maricovitch as he's coming in. If he shoots, he probably scores, in my opinion, you know what I mean? And that was the only issue with that one. But, you know, again, we reverted to the Diamond, as I'll say, when we come up to the West Ham preview. I definitely think the Diamond should be our default formation. And only if that's not working should we look to change the formation. And now, okay, as you might do, but I definitely, we've played four games now. Traded and we've played a variation of 4-2-3-1. And we haven't performed well in this. The one game we've played with the Diamond, we've battered Spores after all. I just don't think, sorry, on the 4-2-3-1, I'm 80% with you, right? But I just, I'd like to see it if we could do it with, if Coutinho's going to play 10, you can't play Lilana as a winger. No, no, and I'm with you there. Right? And you also can't play Coutinho left-wing, which is what we did the first time we played it against the champ. So, if we're going to play it, play Coutinho as the 10, play Sterling and say Markovic as the wingers behind either Sturridge or Balletale. Let's play the play. If he's going to do that system, try it with players who can actually play it. So, for me, it's not the system. It's that you put in a system and then you put in players who aren't good enough in that system to make it work. And that's, as we've said before, I think that's Roger's first brain, real brain fire at the season. Yeah, I agree. Oh, he seems to be, yeah. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. The last thing on that, I was going to say, I think if you're going to play a 4, 2, 3, 1 again, you don't play Gerard for me. That's the truth of it. I mean, you're talking about players who suit that system in the front three. That's fine. But if you're going to play it too, in midfield, you can't play Gerard. And there's a number of players who I think we have that would function well on a two. I think there's plenty of combinations that we could choose. But you have to make that decision sometime in this season. And maybe if it gets to the point where we're rotating Gerard for fitness, for Champions League and stuff, we may finally see that two without Gerard. I mean, you could think of a two with Henderson and Chan or something like that. But I don't think we can play that formation again with Gerard, really. I mean, there's nobody who we can put alongside him who's going to give us enough, really, especially against the top teams. I think it was interesting, Harry, about the game on Saturday was, I mean, I totally agree that we shouldn't play a two. But I think actually the bigger impact on Saturday was not the Jared can't play in a two, but that it just completely takes Anderson out of the game. I think Jared next to someone who, well, I agree, but the issue is that it wasn't Jared can't play in a two therefore, Jared got exposed. It was the Jared can't play in a two. So we have to put Henderson next to him and not just talk Henderson completely out of the game. Harry, we've talked there a couple of the the lessons that we've learned. And that was basically what I was I was leading into there. But you guys have kind of come to them by yourselves. The other lesson that seems to be glaring is that if you've got a wonderful player who can influence a game, are you Rahim Sterling? You start them, surely. Yeah, I mean, you saw the ovation he got when he came off the bench and for a 19-year-old, that's pretty staggering. But it's not undeserved. You saw the influence he had when he came on, it's lively, it's buzzing, and they're clearly scared of him. And of course, you talk about that fear factor that we some people think we may have lost with Suarez, but the way he's playing, he's got that fear factor back. And you could see that some of the defenders were, they were looking forward to it. And I mean, I don't know about what Dave was saying about that's a worse miss than Lambert from Sterling. I mean, I haven't looked at it too much, but from what I remember, dude, he got blocked. He just got blocked by Henderson's curse. And from what I remember, I was pretty sure he was going to score with it. So, you know, I might be being a bit harsh on him there, but I mean, because that the game had no chances in it anyway, so that sticks out in my head, you know, sore thumb. But I mean, Sterling is, you know, at the moment, when he's fit, he's undroppable. So maybe Brendan could have pushed him. Maybe it wasn't the game to rest him. But yeah, if he has a stormer tomorrow night and, yes, you know, sets up, you know, assists and scores to, you know, I'm sure none of us are going to be complaining. But you can see how important he is. Yeah. And especially when you're lacking Alan, we did need somebody like him to push their defense back and then you can genuinely get them scared and pressure them a bit, especially when you're playing Henderson. So deep, like they were saying, you completely take away from what's most exciting about his game. And you also miss those runs as well, because Coutinho is not going to make the runs that Henderson's been making this season so far. So, you don't even get that threat with him as well. And yes, it's ironic because we all know Coutinho is a, he looks a different player when he goes, you know, 10 yards deeper than he is, you know, right now. So, yeah, there's a confusing and you could argue we should put standing from the start. I mean, yes, if it was up to me, you chuck him on earlier, you chuck him on a half time. But I'm sure he's, he's looking after him. And I think we all know how invaluable he's going to be for us this season. So, I don't mind her showing, you know, a bit of caution with it. And then one thing I was going to say was about Marcovich and Lelana, you're saying that Lelana's not a wide man. He definitely didn't look a wide player to me. Marcovich as well seemed far more comfortable when he was drifting inside. So, I was just thinking, yeah, maybe apart from Sterling, who's gotten better at that, just because he's, you know, forced in nature, do we have any genuine, wide players who enjoy hugging the touch line? Yeah, well, that's a very good point, actually, yeah. Sure. Who wants them? I mean, like, we'd hope that Marcovich is marching on the shore down. I'm like, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. He looks like that modern winger that wants to come in and put defenders in their back foot and make them trip over themselves. So, I'd hate to think that he's just one of those that gets to the line and pumps the ball in. What were you going to say on Sterling as well, Andy? Yeah, it's just like, look, I mean, I have to think that Rogers doesn't know his players best and he's consulted with fitness coaches and everything else. But sometimes the risk is worth taking. And I don't think Suarez, if he came back from Uruguay, Uruguay after playing 180 minutes, did he be dropped? Yeah, exactly. So, like, Sterling, maybe he was carried, we don't know. We never know the full story. But it was a risk that didn't pay off. And I mean, he's our best player now, Sterling. So, you know, well, storage and whatever. He is. So, don't, just don't for control. I feel like now he's not in the end, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, you're the truth to me, you don't. That's absolutely perfect way to end the review. And thanks, that's Harry Branding stuff. Cheers, mate. Right. Let's look forward to West Ham versus Liverpool. There's not going to be too many surprises, really, Jay. Are there with Sam Alderdice and his side? What do you think they were looking to expect when we go there? Well, last season was a bit of a, it was a very difficult game for me. We were going for the title. It was one of them games where I thought we could have slipped up really. And it's Sam Alderdice. So, we set his team up a shame way, and he'd be playing a shame. Manada, it's very difficult to play against them. Really, there's got loads of his powerful presence within that side. And it was just horrible really to play against them. It was all the rumours last season about the way things that he'd done. It was Ted's ride, the pitch where he hadn't like voted the pitch and he'd make coach pass like a little bit further away from all that. So, it's, pathology isn't it, you know what I mean? Like, he's, he doesn't really like Liverpool in the past. We've had like plenty of young ins with him when that is the rapidly, he didn't really like that. But he says it's all in there, plenty of young ins, like back in the table. It's like anything else. Westam and not a very good team at all. And for me, I think it's a vitally important game now because losing to Aston Villa, all of a sudden, we've played four games and we've lost two of them. So, Westam suddenly becomes a massive, massive game full of approval. And hopefully, they like to Joe Allen and scare all the back. I mean, I'm not a massive fan of scare all but I think out of the three-centred ass, the main-centred ass that we choose upon. I just think, realistically, he's the one Mario that Roger likes the most at the moment. I mean, I just think he's cousin's more experienced in the sense of he's been at the football club for six, seven years now. I just think he's the one that we probably choose. And if he's back, maybe he'll come into the show, I don't think he said it. I'm stating it on Twitter to me that you don't think he will do. But I'm not sure. I mean, I just think with Logan, even on his right side, he prefers to play on the left, doesn't he? Yeah. I just think if scale is fit to go, I think he'll probably start to scale with a lot of them, to be honest with you. But Joe Allen, for me, is very key because away from home, obviously, if you can come into the midfields area and offer that little bit of protection to Tierra as we're heading to soon as well. Again, we'll shoot just down to the ground with the time of formation. So, from that point of view, I think if Joe Allen is fit to the same, get him in the same because he's vital to this Liverpool team at the moment. But like I said, he's put it again. I think Liverpool needs to win. And we've done all eight at West. I've meet over the last few years. So, I'm expecting Liverpool to bounce back. Yeah. Well, that's, let's hope that's the case. Dave, it's a fair point that's being made there that, look, they're going to be the same. You can, you know, to expect from them. Is it a matter of us adjusting or do we just go and we be the same? We play our game. I mean, I think the problem we've got is so much of our game is dependent on on storage is, you know, that movement up front, you know, whether it was storage as far as last season and, you know, storage and sterling this season. If we don't have storage, I wonder, you know, first of all, a lot of the changes will depend on how we do in the Champions League. So, if we defensively do really well and keep a clean sheet, I don't think he makes a change after that. You know, Roger tends to make changes after something bad happens. He tends to, you know, if we get a good result, he tends to stick with it. I think looking ahead, he, if Alan's fit Alan plays, which is great, I just wonder, will he start Lambert and Barutelli up front and play, play the diamond, but have a bit more of a physical presence up front and, you know, try to beat them kind of at their own game a little bit and go a little bit more physical. Because we haven't got Emre Jean, we haven't got storage, who I think, you know, everyone being fit those to start this game, you know, you know, all things being equal. I'm not saying I would start, but I just wonder if that might be something he'll look at and go. Yeah, you know, we're going to go slightly different. We're going to have two up front, but instead of two mobile or, you know, two very mobile forwards, we'll have one kind of, and he will be static, one kind of static forward in Lambert and let Barutelli move around a little bit. Because I don't see Markovitch playing. I think it's a big, big game away at West Ham to put Markovitch in. So, you know, maybe it's Lalanna, you know, maybe it's Stern, and I don't know. So yeah, I think he's got a few options, but a lot of the changes will depend on what happens in the Champions League. And I think, you know, it's going to be a dog of a fight. And we've, you know, we've got to have people who are up for it. And that's why I don't think that, like, some Markovitch, I don't think they played that game. Interesting, I feel. Yes, it will be a bit of a dog fight. But so much is dependent on recovery from injuries and what happens tomorrow night, so in the Champions League game. So, I mean, we can't really predict a little bit of a lineup. No, it's pretty to West Ham. Well, I don't think our lineup changes massively if, you know, in terms of he knows going to West Ham of the back of the Aston Villa defeat that he needs to preferably he needs to get a win, right? And coming back to it, if you look at last year, when we came back after the international break, we lost one of the Southampton in our force match after the international break, and that was at home. We then went to Swansea and drew to all. We then went to Newcastle and drew to all. I mean, we cuffed up points in those three games after the international break, and that was without Champions League training as well. So the new added, we put a squad together, and we're saying, like, we've lost them, right, Chan? Right? We've lost Joe Allen through injury for the Champions League game. Let's hope he's fit for the weekend because we're going to need him. The team is going to need fresh and come the weekend regardless, right? People could pick up knocks and all before the actual game. So I'm looking at it. I'm saying, for me, Annie, the biggest impact on the game is two things. And as I said in the review, Balletelli needs somebody up forward with him, right? Because for me, he's not effective on his own. It's mirroring what Jay said in our Champions League preview show. He isn't effective up front in his own in the same way storage isn't effective up front in his own. And if you look at them as a pair against bores, they work perfectly. Balletelli's able to pull out. He holds the ball up. He gives storage the freedom to move around. When storage goes, then Balletelli suddenly has more space on the pitch. And we need somebody. For me, anyway, Balletelli is that type of physical presence. If we play Lambert against him, you've got the same physical presence, and you don't, you still don't have really the movement that's a continuum, or even a land that's going to thrive on in terms of true balls to the centre forwards. So again, I'd play a certain comes through the game fit. I'd start him. He would be my default player to go to in storage as absence to play alongside Balletelli because he'll give us the movement. He is a gold threat, and he can play, and he's quick over the ground. And he'll also press up. If you want to think back to Suarez, one of the things that was missing from when I looked at it was not so much that we miss Suarez, but where everyone is expecting their forwards to do the same pressing that Suarez does. And I said to Graham Kelly, when we were talking about the game, I said, look, you know, the one thing about Suarez is no centre forward in the world does what he does. So you have to accept that whatever player you bring in to replace him in the team, or whatever way the team plays, you're not going to get the same level of action going up front in terms of press and defenders. I do think that a Sterling will do it a bit more than say, storage wheel, because Sterling naturally presses players. He goes and looks to force the error. And I think that's why for me, Sterling is the big man to come in there. The other worry I have, it's not so much at the back. I wouldn't bring Scotland. I really don't write now as a centre back in the way that that back for plays, because he's totally out of sync with the way they want to play. But most importantly, mainly, he was a fault for the goal against West Ham, the opening goal against West Ham last year, and I know he was fell behind the carol, right? After that instant, he was actually brilliant, because he came on, he came for everything, attacked it. As I was saying in the review, he was very poor, very poor. He's so indecisive on the ball, and it was such a contrast to when the game was on against Southampton, where he was really positive, really aggressive, he's regressed, he's back on his line, he was, he didn't know what to call him, he didn't know what to go. When you looked at the goal that we gave away, he have came for the initial corner, but it was never his ball to come for. There was another one in the early in the forest half, where he put a weak punch and a fell, and he never even recovered back to the middle of the goal. I was looking at it, it was a good five seconds before he got back to the middle of the goal, and the shot had already come off at this stage. Mainly, West Ham, as I'm now calling him, right? It's gone to... West Ham. Yeah, it's gone to pump the ball in the top, we know we are. For me, that's where he's second, most start, because he's probably our best defender arealy, and I wouldn't change love him, because despite what he did on Saturday, he is a good hitter, normally on set pieces, and I do think our defences look better as a defence with that four, than even with any else in comparison to last season. So I think we need to persevere. I said it when they went in, we need to persevere with them for at least 10 games, and I won't be up for a change in it. Would you like to have seen him spend the entire week practicing defending set pieces, because Frankly took on the need, aren't they? Well, the one element of concern I have is Lovin's comments about, you know, we know West Ham are a good set piece. Well, Christ, if they're a good set piece, well, who are these? It's going to be a tidal wave of set pieces coming down on top of you, because already they always look to get into wide areas and get balls into the box, and Kevin Olin is the type of fella who, in the box, will do what I bundle hard to, scrap you horrible, barley drop fucking, dinkler over the line. Bolly drop dinklers. I hate them fucking dinklers. I think the area of bombardment in a way, though, you know, my chute, my chute doesn't know a little bit as well, because we know what we're facing, you know what I mean? I think it's, you know, I think sometimes it's like, right, we know what's going to happen. They know they're going to drop it in. I think, you know, Jared's a big guy, so he's going to play in the bottom of the diamond or the bottom of the midfield. He's going to win all of those balls. We should clean up the second balls. The thing I like about Lovin in a circle versus Skirtle is that they'll come and try to clear the second ball instead of they tried to win the first ball and then drop five yards. You know, so Lovin, and he's going to look stupid sometimes, right? And we're going to have to keep saying this about Lovin. He's going to look stupid, so is Zack or sometimes, right? Because they're going to come and try and win everything. And when he tried to win everything, you make mistakes. Yeah, but that's the thing, though, Dave, isn't it? If Brendan does revert to type and instead of acting the fucking dickhead like he did at the weekend, and we have Stevie Jared back split in the center halves and doing that supplementary center half role, as he said, that's really, really important for us, because he is brilliant in the air. Jared against all of us. Yeah, so is my goal. Yeah, our back four is so much bigger. As you know, with the exception of our back four, so much is such a big tall unit in terms of and should be able to deal with the ball's area. And that's the frustration. But I think, as I said in the review, mini-lay brings an awful lot of indecision in that back four. And actually, it was the first time Rogers has called him out about it, that he isn't commanding and he hasn't been commanding. He's vocal. I'd say one thing that he's a lot more vocal than he was last year, but watch them. He is so indecisive. He starts coming. He drops back. Jay, did you see that? I know we talked about it in the review earlier, but did you not start about him? He starts coming for about three or four crosses and goes back on to his line, and his defenders don't know what he's going to do himself. Yeah, he just doesn't convince me at all. He just doesn't instill any confidence in that back line. And I've said it numerous times on various things that have done, radio and podcasts. I mean, even when the balls are the streets as well, you just get out in your mouth. I mean, listen, he's a young goalkeeper still, and he is quite a good shortstop, but I just think he went to be a good enough goalkeeper. You've got to have all the strings to see about one. I just think he doesn't command his boxing off. He's indecisive. And with the ball at his feet, as I've just said there, I just don't know what's going to happen. You're thinking, what's going to happen? Yeah, like, is he going to give the ball away or going to put his under pressure? I'm just not convinced by him at all, and that's not me getting on the lads back. I just think we need a better goalkeeper. It's one of them, isn't it? When your keeper's not commanding enough, it puts doubts in the centre-off minds. And I think it's an accumulation of things from that point of view, which Liverpool look really dodgy from the central areas. Fallbacks are pretty good. And I mean, obviously, Moreno and Manquiro look quite good to me. But I just think it's struggling that in the centre, because even with Gera playing in front of that back, the two centre-offs, I don't think that's our daily leader, because he's playing in a position that he's nearly started laying in from January onwards, doesn't he? So it is a massive problem, but I do think that due to the problem could very well be menuli. Yeah, well, we've been joined in the bunker here by television star Andy Young. He's been here since the review trip, remember? Yeah, yeah. Yes, that's what happened. We didn't record as before on the review. We've been rejoined by Steve. He's come back from the toilet. Is everything still shot in the toilet? You were gone a long time. Andy, are you as nervous as the lads here about the menuli and the fans set up? Facing into fat salmon is shallow. Loggers. Yeah, like, who authors all like that? You start to think very negatively, like, you know, I think, and this could get, this could get, this is all a show. No, you're thinking this could get so already quick, you know what I mean? Okay, whatever happens tomorrow night in Europe. Then you go and you don't win against West Ham. All of a sudden, you're looking at the league and the dreams are, you know, the dream is starting to be hard. You know what I mean? I'm so glad you came in with Jackson this particular time. You're looking at last season and you're saying, Jesus, I wish we were back there again. And, you know, so you're, I'm nervous in that way, but no, look, I'm more positive about what's happening at the Backford than I have been ever before. People need to get a grip and just be patient with it, don't they? And just hold, hold. Absolutely, like, we're seeing very positive signs against sports. They weren't tested really, um, Saturday at all, only for the, the focal plate. And again, you know, we all have doubts over them, you know, that's better goalkeepers, but he's still in a, he's still in a job. But there's always better out there. I mean, I was kind of half wondering where they go on the goal for their goalkeepers on the summer. Well, you just don't know when Valdez comes in, the kind of pressure he might put on them. Yeah. Yeah, I think everyone's kind of excited about that. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I said to you, um, not on here, but I said, if Valdez comes in, I definitely think he takes number one jersey before the end of the season. Presumably, he actually did say it here. Did I say it? Yeah. Yeah. That's the outcome I'm just kicking in. Yeah. Right. Well, look, um, is there any tweet? Like, there's, there's so much, like I said earlier in the round, there's so much thickness relating to injuries. That might happen in the, in the European match. It's very difficult to predict the lineup. So we go straight to predictions then and see how we think this one's going to go. Jay, I'll start with yourself. How do you see this game going? I think it's very important that Liverpool win the game because, as I said before, you know, it's four game, Genum have lost two odd Eddy. And if we were to beat Aston Villa at the weekend, I think I probably would have taken a point maybe against Westam. But I think now because we've lost that game, which it was a shot to the system really. So you're looking at this Westam game now, thinking a point really. It's not enough. We've got to go there and get a victory. And after that, we've got the derby in seven. So, you know, the way I see it, it's, it's vitally important that we win the game. And it won't be easy because, like I said, Westam, the way they set up, the way I like, I just got them well, they'll win all of it. It won't be easy. It's all, but I think with this Liverpool team, no, maybe we are a little bit more suited away from home because the spares game will be without stand them, when we can, they could be another five. No, really. Even when you look to the Man City game, before Manchester City showed that goal right on our side, Liverpool were, you hadn't created many opportunities, but Liverpool were the best at seeing my thoughts. And maybe it was the case that we are a little bit better away from home and hopefully against Westam, it would be a bit similar to the Tottenham game, but in all honesty, I can't see it being like that, because as I've just said there, some are as I've seen that he's able to play against in a very physical. And I think some of the points made before, about with the Olympic start. I think there's a possibility that he codes in all honesty. I mean, I know when you asked my opinion before, I was just concentrating on Joel Allen and Matt and Scale, maybe coming back into the shadows. But he could shake it off, and he could start a lambda because he hasn't started the game yet, as he showed, I think maybe this could be the type of game that he does start, because he gives a start a little bit of a different time, mentioning he's the team like Westam. You're not going to come up against many West teams and play like Westam. I am 12 machines, and so maybe this is the type of game that you could play lambda in. So that's a very interesting one as well. But you have to say, it's a mushroom game for me, and I do think we will win. I think we will win two of you. Two of them. OK, Andy, a lot of interesting points to everybody. Jay, how do you see it going? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's the most way now this day is like, we have to catch up now on the whole two point game average. It's just hard to be upbeat. You know, you'd hope he goes back to a dime, and then I wouldn't mind saying Lambert and Balletelli start up front. And I think if Balletelli's as isolated as he was, and Saturday, he's not going to do anything again. So you need to put someone up there. I don't know if that's sterling or that's Lambert's all beer. But if he goes for a dime, and not with him, no matter who they are, he'll sit back completely at home. So that will suit Liverpool and cause him, you know, that we can kind of test them a bit more and get the defenders isolated. So I think if they do that, yeah, I mean Liverpool are liable to go on, and Tompton, tree, tree, nail or whatever, but I'm not feeling that right now. So I'm going to have to say a draw, maybe two or two. OK, OK. Dave? Well, Percy, I'm not having the fifth game of the season as a must-win game. So for me, I think, you know, we're all, we're all feeling the fear at the moment after the game. I understand that. That's it, it's not here. I understand it, I totally get it. But for me, nothing's changed. It's a bad day at the office, but nothing has changed to where I was after the Spurs game. You know, the Spurs game was not, it was not a mirage. It's not like we, you know, played like that, and we're never going to get there before. The Spurs game was far more reflective of how we have played for the last year than the Villa game was. So I'm going, odds are we're going to play more like Spurs more often than we're going to play like Villa more often. So as far as I'm concerned, you know, if we drew the West down, West down is a tough place to go, right? Our record there is absolutely terrible, right? You know, if you look over the course of the Premier League, most teams record there is actually not that great. So as far as I'm concerned, if it was a draw, we'd be down hard that I totally get why the fear would creep in, but it's not a must-win game for me. Saying that, I think we'll win. And I've got a, I've got a sneaky feeling Sturridge might make the bench for that game. I just, I think we're some of the messages we've put out about it. Bit like the Stoke away game last year, where he came on and he gave us 20 minutes. Yeah, I just got a funny feeling. Like, he's had three, he would have had three weeks off by the time my Sam comes up. I think he might make the bench for that game, and I think that gives everyone a lift, and I think we'll win. So you see a win? Yeah, I think you can't underestimate the cynicism of it. Sam, how did I set up? But I can imagine that they will try to stifle us, and they will be absolute yard dogs. But like I said, in the, in the other game, they'll do their preview, which we recorded on a completely separate occasion. I think, by the telly, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll start working as magic. I really do. I know Andy's looking over me going, fuck off, but he will. Especially after the slaughter, Andy gave him an idea. But I actually do, I think Mario might be the difference. I think he's going to go on at the run for us, so I see a Liverpool win, Phil. Fornil to West Ham, of course. Wonderful. Jay, Jay, just before you go, is, is any ward on that Valdez thing, or is it still just real, we're in smoke with mode? You know what, to be honest, it's gone really quiet, and I spoke to Chris Baskam about it recently, and he said that it's nowhere near as close as what people are suggesting. It was Gillen Balagay, wasn't it? It was making out as though it was basically a done deal, when he basically pushes fitness, so it's, it's going to happen. There was other rumours as well that I heard via, via James Pace. He didn't tell me directly, like, but it was something to do with his wages, because he was asked a question about, um, really command big wages, because obviously he was meant to be on to Monaco, wasn't he on a book for Gillen? And then he got it, and then it fell through, and people are just human, because he must have been getting around to 100 grand a week, or even more, to be honest. So a lot of people automatically thought if he's coming to Liverpool, they'll probably be paying on that sort of wage, but I'm led to believe it won't be anywhere near that. I mean, around 70 grand a week, that's what I've heard, and that was via James Pace, but like he said, I mean, from my point of view, I think it just depends on his fitness, doesn't it? Because it's a bad injury, what he's had. So if he doesn't prove his fitness, then, you know, we're not going to shine. I'm simple as that, but I do think we do need another goal keeper, and because of his experience and all that, I think he'd be an astute shine, but like I said, it's all gone quiet on that shine and now so. It's just a case of waiting and seeing me, because I don't think people would expect him to get him anyway, until around October, November, time with his show. Exactly. It's just a waiting game for now. Watch this space, right? Thanks for being in jail, that's great. Okay, no problem. Cheers, mate. See you now. I am Lou Jware. You are listening to Trippen's chat. With Trippen. Right, let's begin Trippen's chat with a little topic that Phil wants to bring up. I know it's something that you're thinking about there a lot, and Phil, and you're a very deep thinker in the game. You wanted to talk about the crowd around Phil. Yeah, and this isn't to get at the people who go to the matches because it's not. What I think is, you know, we're talking about the atmosphere earlier on, we're saying that was quite quiet on Saturday, right? And that the way fans are making lots of noise. One of the key things that gets to me is that, you know, when the white teams come to Anfield, they're in the bottom of the Annie Road stand, right? They're in a compacted area, sort of down towards the goal, and when they scream and shout, the sound reverberates around the actual ground. Okay? Our singing, or our sort of noisy creole where the creoles will be, will be up at the back, buried right up the back of the cup, in 3.0.4, 3.0.6, 3.0.7, right? And they are singing away, because if you're in the cup, you'll hear them singing away, Jordan, the actual game. You hear them in the cup. But it doesn't come out around the ground. It's only when the occasional chant takes off that it goes around the actual ground. If you look at most of the big European clubs, they put their hard car altars behind their goals, so it will be behind the cup goal. Now, I know that there's the season tickets and people have the tickets, and that's where they sit in the hole out, right? But I think you would improve the sound in the ground, right? You'd make that all sort of the classic sort of atmosphere and noise of Anfield, is if you move those roles at the back of the cup down behind the goal, and let them go mad for the whole fucking game, basically. And so, when they sing, you'll hear that around the ground. It will be behind the goal. Could you imagine a team attacking the cup, playing mini-lays in there, and you have all the lads bouncing around and going, mentors, as they're coming towards. There's intimidation, there's more intimidation there than it is by burying it way up the back. Now, I know that one of the things that said is there, that an awful lot of them will stand when they watch the actual game, right? And they don't want to sit down on the actual seats. And that's where it's up there. But, you know, the debate has to be opened. We have to look at this and say, what makes the best atmosphere in Anfield? We pride ourselves on having a great set of fans. Look at when our wife fans go away, the noise and the sound of the game. But that's why we're complacency setting, because there is that belief and there is that on the European night, the whole stadium is where you're at the pocket of it. But that's why the complacency setting. But you still have that group of fans to go to the away games. Still singing an all, but it's just buried at the back of the stand. Move it down and get the noise out around the actual ground. Yeah. I don't know about that now. The beauty of Anfield is that a lot of happens on, actually. Like Liverpool come from a long history of songs just starting now and now where. And kicking on. Now, think of it ever got out that Liverpool, which is known as one of the best atmospheres in the country, were making manoeuvres to make it better. It'd be very, very cringeworthy. And I think, personally, that over the years, I've noticed a lot of humour has gone from Anfield. There was always a fellow, always a character nearby. So, yeah, wherever you are. Make cracking a few jobs and everyone laugh. And I don't know whether it comes down to the hall or town or anything. Or, you know, whether Scouts just want to admit it. You know, sometimes you've got them fellas who were blatant and they're on Twitter and they're abusing fellas traveling from London or Wales. Or Dublin or whatever and they're not happy with it. But then there's an undercurrent, I think, that's resonating that. A lot of them just aren't happy, but they won't say it. So, there's a little bit of, a little bit of, not hating the crowd, but just a little bit of cynicism amongst the fans. You don't really say it as much. So, like, the part of the atmosphere seems to just drift it away. That's, that's, that's more irate on it. Now, okay, there's still a few characters in the crowd. You hear them. It's just not the same. Amanda, Amanda, does the whistles and directs the defense? There's a fella behind me. He brought us to his and taken on there. He, he thinks he's directing the pitch like he's whistling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's whistling. No, he isn't the man that says he's whistling. He's whistling, he's whistling. He's whistling and telling him to come over, come over, get over. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to pull away. You need to pull away and I'll get out, get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you, what, they're the characters you want. There was, there was always some like that, a couple of sits away from you. He's just chatting away at his own pace. Yeah. And like, look, as, as a grown B.L. bastard, I will defend every grown B.L. bastards, right? To go to a pitch, I go to a match and cry for the entire match if they want and moan and piss and whine if they want. They can do that. But like, I think... I don't, I've been the opposite. I think if you go to the game, right? No, no, no, no, there's an ace team, right? But if you go to the game, you have a, there's a, there's, there's an onus on you, right? To be, to bring the atmosphere. Yeah, I think that's more for the occasional match. You tend to feel that and they wear that. No, but I think this is easily fixed, right? Yeah. What do you want to do is some people are saying, "Oh my God, we're going to have goal music. We shouldn't have goal music. We should have music all the way through." Right? Like... No, let me say that. Where are you going with this thing? But not, not like pop music, like a score, like... Oh, this is... Right? On what happens? The English brass band. No, no, no. Not like a full on orchestra, right? Pipe in music in and then when someone's running down the way, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll. And then, you know, you set a show and man on, the trumpet goes, "Dude, dude!" You know, and as we're going down, it's good almost a goal. The drums start, you know, and then they'll have a score. And I tell you what, forget the comedy, just forget the crowd. Just take out the first two rows at the top, put an orchestra in there, and they're telling you now the atmosphere would be fucking... Well, I start fucking sorry. There's actually no point in the club. Yeah, it is well, uh, triph. Yeah, look. I think the, uh, the club needs to play a part in this as well. Go on. Because I saw some reports during the week that they stopped this point in cap rope doing the Muriel for the Champions League game. Yeah. I saw the reports over Twitter and of that. So, right to game, at the villain game, and they were standing up and, you know, singing and giving it large and some stewards came over to all them, sit down and they stood up a number of times and were trying to be kicked out and stuff like that. So, you know, the club needs to play a part in this as well and understand it. Our fan base, you know, that we are some of the best fans out there. We do like to join ourselves when we get to the game. It's maybe a couple of days to relax a little bit here and go, "Look, we need the atmosphere there. That's all a part of us." Yeah, you know, if you get... It's like that when the away fans go, right? They all go with the same mindset. And coming back to the, you know, if you go every week, sure you wouldn't be up for whatever, right? But like, they go to every away game. And they're always up for the away games. They're always making noise. They're always having the crack. That's because a lot of them are in a group together. They're in a big group together and the noise just disseminates around them. Yeah, no, it wasn't for it. No, my point was that you used the word "onus" Phil. And like, I don't think anyone should feel a responsibility to do anything when they go to watch their team. They can go and do... I think they... Do you know if they did support them? Yeah, I'd like if they did. That's a different thing. And I'm actually saying I'd like if they did. But, you know, I don't think you could... Action. I'm saying you put your ultras behind the goal. Like... Or an orchestra. Look, or an orchestra. Or an orchestra. Or an ultra orchestra. No, it's kind of... It's kind of... You need to watch Star Wars with John Williams' music playing with an orchestra live in the park. That's what it could be like. Seriously, the incident of... There is a wrist-filled and noisy red we've got to conduct the stick and stand behind the door. We're going to come to mind now. And if I was my de-red, I'd go and find that Jonah bastard in a corner. I'd be kicking a fuck out of it. We need to talk about this, Phil. We need to talk about it. Don't talk about it. Basically... I think we do, man. Basically, I'm jinxed, right? Yeah, so we need to talk about why you should not go to games. Or did you not tell me there was some sort of solution that you had? There is a magic man. The funny says this. How many games has it been? How many games... Yeah? When was the last time Liverpool won? How many games ago was it that you went to Anfield that Liverpool win? Well, you were at the New York House again. I wasn't at the game, though. Yeah, we weren't at the game. Oh yeah, you weren't at the game. I'll give you a sentence. Well, that's a solution. You can watch the game in a pool nearby. Nearby. Or you could go dressed up as Mad Wolf. That's a different match. Did you see that stuff from me early on? Actually, the last time I went, it was Mad Wolf we won. Yeah. That was the last time I had the win. So how long ago was that? Oh yeah, that was the wiggle match. Yeah. So it's five... So it's either that. Oh, it was the wiggle match in Rogers' fourth season. So that's seven games ago? No, it's about five games. Yeah, it's about four games at this stage. So you've been trying for your five times and they haven't won? Yeah. I'm not sorry. Sorry, I don't know why I was trying to go. Actually, it's not... You also have to trow in the friendly India Viva. Yes, I have to go. Holy shit. Obviously, why was this that anyway? I was just saying that the only time that they've actually... I've been 28 times to see them in total. I was adding them up there. And the only time they've lost is the time that I know he was in the crowd with me. That is fucking... That's so fucked up. That's a good record you have. That was a class record. I don't think... I don't know how many times I've been a lot of times. But I don't think... 28 got a boss. I'm 74. Yeah, I don't. But I don't affect the result. And they win as much as they win. You know, I'm not there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen them beating. I've seen them win a lot of games. I've seen them draw a lot of games. So, thankfully, I'm safe. And he says the same thing after every game. They were shite. It's hard breaking them. It must be. It's not for you, it must be. Oh. Like, I mean, you must worry that quite heavily. I won't. It is. It's like... Are you in the same stand all the time or... No, I've gone... I've tried all the different sides of the ground. Would you win with the away fans? Because maybe you might bring a bit of that. That's what I was thinking. The next time I think I'll win with the away fans. Oh, that could work. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's got to be yours to try. Just don't fucking go. There's also that. I'm sorry if you win. For what that means, we are stuck with him, so... You can go to one of the boxes and stay behind the glass. Yeah, so they don't... So, technically, not outside. Yeah, there's a TV in there, so you could be watching it. Yeah, by the time he must have a box. I'm sure he'd let you in. Molly, to finish this off, there's a question that's coming from Alex. And he's wondering, he's kind of topical, given the weight that's in. What do you do after a Liverpool loss? Is there any specific recovery plan that you have? How do you work on it, Molly? It's quite similar really to when you're younger and a girl breaks up a shot. That's what I deal with. I let it just pig out on pizza, ice cream, beer. That's the role of ABS, we do. Right, indulgence. Indulgence, I suppose I indulge myself in in other ways. Right, we'll hold it there. Phil, how do you deal? I don't. You don't. You're just a miserable fucker for it. Just wallow all of that. Do you wallow? Do you? Do you enjoy the wallow process? No, in work today, like, walking in, and they all known I was going over, and they all known my previous friend. Fuckin' horrific, I got work. And they spent their whole time just laughing. Yeah. Like, look at... And every question was, "Jesus." Ha! I know. You know what I mean? I was like, imagine going all the way over and then seeing them being beaten again. I'm like, they're gonna fucking hell. Yeah, it can be horrific. Yeah. So you don't deal with what you're saying? No, don't. Look, it's so hard to deal with them. Andy, how do you cope? Smart, what I don't do is just like, I really just blank your football. I won't watch Match of the Day. I won't go on to Twitter. I won't go on to Facebook. I won't go on to anywhere where there's any sort of connection with people. Do you manage that? Do you? Do you totally blink it? Oh, yeah. I found to be just left beside me. Really, yeah. Like, even if one of the last ones to engage in a conversation about a different, completely different game. You just got ours. Yeah. Football, nothing like that. Football's dead for me after Luke Bullows. I don't want to see any more football. Exactly. So, you know, where there's not a mad idea, we're just to avoid football. Just avoid it. Watch if there's something on. That's completely non-football related to watching. Yeah. And the worst feeling the world for me isn't when the whistle goes and you've lost. It's the next morning. Do you know what you're waiting for? Yeah, yeah, it sits in there. You know what? Like, I'm happy some morning. So, you know, do you know yourself? I'm happy. Yeah, you wake up in the morning. You're like, I know a fucking day. And then it might take a few minutes. And then you go, something's on me mind here. I'll follow up. It's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a long day then. Yeah. And I'll fair enough of how much finishes that six or seven in the evening are even better of it. You know, but it's a late kickoff. You're going straight to bed and you can get away from it. But like, you have a whole day then. I think in about the five. I think in about it. And you've woke up and you've just been going on for the next thing. Bollocks, wasn't it? We left in the dark. Oh yeah. And by the time we were going home, we were in the dark again. And it was like, have we actually gone here? Did this happen? Are we just stuck in the car? I was in on a Saturday as well. As soon as I was in on a Sunday. Yeah. If you lose on the weekends. Bollocks. Your weekends fuck. Yeah. Because I knew it. I knew that mine, because especially we're going to a fucking fashion. Ah, that was just on the stomach. Did they win? Did they? Yeah. Didn't they have much coverage at that time? No. Um, like, that was the first time I thought they were able to grow on a tinquear. I'd not had a point even after. It was just a little bit of a debrief. The answer is that the bottom I look at. If the kids are listening, the answer is that the bottom of the glass. It is sometimes, isn't it? It is. Sometimes you just need it. It's just a bit of alcohol. So it's just a pain. Responsible problem. I'm hoping that we win twice now, so I can have a few drinks. Oh, did you just stop there to beer even as well? Yeah, look, I was driving, so I wasn't drinking a man that weekend, so it was like, this salt is so broidy. Yeah, that whole thing then was, would I recommend it to anyone? Would I recommend it as an experience? Being a joner to anyone. No. No. No. Actually, no, I really enjoyed the day. I was going to ask you. We were out, yeah. We were out with Steve and Gerard's guy. I was going to say you were. You were stuck in Stevie. I'm buzzing around farm, but you're trying to find out where Ballo's gaff was and he ran the holler. They had Ballo telly's living in Farmby at the month. I read about that and I was writing about it. He's got around how you find the locals. They won't let him live in the city centre. You want to live in Liverpool? Yes, I know. That's not that one. Yeah, so we were buzzing around there. It was a great day. I was a forest Ballo telly starry where he paid for everyone's field and then I don't think I don't know. I don't think that happened. No, it's not true. It's the bullshit. But even I don't know where he's, is he high-fiving people of Farmby? I don't know what that is. That's what we were telling me. We got into Andy's mate's gaff. No, but he was just saying he was getting his hair caught and the barber happened to mention that Ballo telly was floating around. Yeah, and all of a sudden. But he didn't say that he looked out the window and he was high for everyone. He just said he passed by a couple of times. He'd be an idiot. I don't know how he even knew because he would have been driving the camouflage Lamborghini around. Exactly. Exactly. He's putting his pens right in. Urban camouflage. We had a gaff. That's Gerard's gaff. And Andy's brother got out to post a letter in Gerard's letterbox. Not in his letterbox. There's a letterbox, which I thought he did well. That's a postbox that you post as in. Not his postbox. All right, all right. Postman pack comes along and collects them, right? So, yeah, I'm going to post it in the letterbox. So, Gerard's gaff, right? So, we got around. That wasn't the gaff. Well, yeah, it's, it's on Victoria Road. It's, it's not, it's not even like, it would remind you kind of that a, Danny Brokang as he rolled or something like it. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, yeah. It's not a, there's not a shikaf on the road, but he, his house, no, his house is far from the noisest one. Really? Yeah, you want to see number 54? Seriously. Oh, that was amazing. Oh, that was amazing. Yeah, look, it was, it wasn't really Sony out, but the guy was. So, that's, that's, that's what it had. They must have. So, we're all arrested with a dye sheet. After being arrested and spending a couple of hours and then that's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone. Yeah, we, we, we spawn back around and here, his end isn't even the noise end. So, you don't have to get number. You were just cruising up and down and looking at me. (laughing) Fucking brilliant. I can't get over this. (laughing) Fucking hell. Daydreamers, my name. Daydreamers, my name. Fucking elbows out the window. Oh, look at 55. This fucking class guy. It's gone from funny to being a little bit. (laughing) It's like trying to harden my hand up, but I'm an asshole when I come from that. I was just fascinated about, like, how do you mean, Robert Lackan like? No, how, how the, how the players live and how, how do I look, like, what their lifestyle is like and what? I, I, I, I mean, we're, we're only talking about it. Like, I mean, if, if I seen someone coming out one of them houses, I'd be just mad to get out and ask them what they do for a living. Yeah. (laughing) There you have it. Daydreamers, treading the border between creepy and fluid. (laughing) On the regular birthday. Was it, was it, was it, was it, was it, or something, what was the name of the place we had represent? That was lovely. Eh, the, something else. (laughing) This is fucking trippy. (laughing) This is Christ. Nah, the, if anyone's, if anyone's out that way, Stark and Steve is going to go with him. (laughing) First of all, go with number 55. I'm the Irishman Steve, you wanna see 55 then? 55, oh man. (laughing) It was lovely now, at the next time when I'm knocking. (laughing) Last month of the year. I was gonna, hey, it just, just happened in the area. (laughing) How'd you get an house like this? Yeah, it is. (laughing) We're here, and if you're getting breakfast, get on to that lounge place and get the lounge eggs. It's, it's the eggs Benedict basically. Yeah. You won't get eggs Benedict around our field, but do you get it in front of me? Yeah, I get it in front of me. And it's a, it's fucking really nice. Well, that was entertaining and creepy. So thank you to both of you who are like. What else did we do? (laughing) We got, we got a train as well. We got, we got a train. We got a train? Why did you get a train? Take you away with your car. We got, no, I didn't drive over. We flew over. We got over there. We got a pic door. Oh, you flew over. It's like my mother telling me about a holiday. It's like every fucking stop from the front door to the airport. (laughing) And then we made a fella and he had a hat on. I had this car, but it didn't. It didn't, it didn't. The thing about it, the hoyloy of the, of our little day trip wasn't a match 'cause that was the biggest disaster port. Pretty much everything else on the day. It was brilliant. It was brilliant, wasn't it? It was nice to get out about away from the city. I was nice to get out of the boat. Just to see a different port. Yeah. Yeah. It is, yeah. And the train, we just, and the train station, did you see the salary? (laughing) Yeah, it had salary growth. It had free salary in the train station. Yeah, no, it wasn't ready to be. It wasn't ready to be. And saying when the crops are ready, take what you need. Dan Thomas is absolutely bored, shitless. He's on his phone, he's not even watching. He's counting to be ours. That's fun, yeah, yeah. So definitely, it's definitely worked. Like if anyone's over there for a couple of days, they can spin out some nice little village gnarly. They have a nice bit of growth. Just a nice place to be able to be, you know? There is a beach, yeah. Brilliant. That'll do. (laughing) Finish with some admin, and we finish as usual by starting off at Astro Park, and I mentioned for them, five and seven aside football. This is your key venue. So get down and book your game on Astro Park.ie. On the website at the moment, that's LFCDaytrippers.com. There's also the usual high level of content, and a nice camp or retro competition, where you can win an LFC retro top of your choice. So get in check that. A word about Anfield FM with whom we should have our first monthly show out next week. This is one of a number of things that we have on the goal to celebrate the fact that we'll be a big one year old very soon. This will probably happen then again. We may just stay in and sulk in our rooms. Also from the lads who are at the game, the Villa game that is, a big thanks to the lads of Future Cabs Liverpool, who got them from Anfield back to the airport in plenty of time, despite the evening kickoff, and the gate closing at 9.15. The lads are on Twitter, and you can get all their info at @FutureCabsLpool. Finally, make your best ever to get and buy We Are Liverpool online. It's on the Twitter feed, and you can see how you can buy it there. And your day trippers tonight were Harry Sethi, Jay Riley, Moly. Dave Thomas, Phil Casey, and myself, Trev Downey. Turn off your laptop. We're on Stakeation. I'm on TotalWine.com. They have so many rosés, Chardonnays, and Proseccos. It feels like a real vacation. Wonderous selection, helpful guides, ridiculously low prices, TotalWine and more. Turn off your laptop. We're on Stakeation. I'm on TotalWine.com. They have so many rosés, Chardonnays, and Proseccos. It feels like a real vacation. Wonderous selection, helpful guides, ridiculously low prices, TotalWine and more. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. [BLANK_AUDIO]
The one that had to talk about the Villa game. We look back at the game and while disappointed we find a lot to be hopeful and see lessons to be learned. We look ahead to the match v West Sam on Saturday and finish out with some trippers chats involving a discussion on how to make anfield noisier, mighty red, the jonah and a day trip with some sighseeing/creepy football stalking thrown in. Guests were @hari_sethi and @jay_78_
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