This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. The ten-dollar tastemaker from Pizza Hut, stuck in traffic, just think of all the delicious meat and veggie combinations. Whoops, got a little distracted there, large, up to three toppings, just ten bucks. No one out pizzas the hut deal not available in some locations, exclusions apply. Hey, imagine if all your frustrations about advertising your business could be solved right now. You should know that podcast listeners are more engaged in higher converting than any other advertising medium. So try adhub today and reap the rewards of Spreaker self advertising platform. It makes it as effortless as ever to be heard by thousands, regardless of the listening app they use. Visit spreaker.com/adhub. That's S-P-R-E-A-K-E-R.com/adhub and start using your advertising dollars in an impact away. Yeah, I was getting a little bit bored, I was getting a bit tightcast as being a football writer. I was such a fanatical supporter, I mean, I was in 38 games, 42 games season, for 20 years, and what I found was even when I didn't like football, so if all the football stuff was going back in to whatever else I was doing. So people keep asking me to do this stuff, and I think the reason that they're asking me is that they normally are support, I mean, I know all the fans who went to the away games and every game every single week, and you know, we were not trying to be super fans, we were just doing a thick football support as I was, I was like probably what you say, I'm a fanatical. So I think most of my stories and life have to do with football. So I think one might miss number, stuff of courts, as did here, we've all got an encryption made of both. And a lot of people like the other booth have opened, which was boys from New Mersey. So I thought the best thing that I could probably do, and I would be like to like the full history of the football club, which I always knew was going to be difficult, but I think we've done a great job. Well, absolutely. And that brings us pretty much to where I wanted to go. And actually, you'll never walk along the official history of Liverpool football clubs, the name of the new show. We heard about it first, I suppose we assumed some sort of fact-based documentary-style thing. What can people expect when they turn up to watch in Dublin, like you? Well, basically, it's the whole story from the very beginning, from when it's split from Everton. When Everton didn't want to play, they didn't increase drugs. And so, like, he wanted to make Everton a bigger football club, a city-wide football club. And so they renamed it to, well, it was a double, man, wasn't it, we renamed the club, it was William Barkley, and she was holding, moved away, and having had to move out. And so, for example, it was a whole journey for me, because we moved more as a fanatical football supporter. I didn't know all this stuff. You just don't bother, you know, you tend to go to football game, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're moments. But then when I started, like, delve and deep, Liverpool's history is so dense, it was how we got that down into, like, a one-and-a-half to our play. But there's a lot of music in there, a lot of the Cops songs are in there. We've basically told the story from 1892, right the way forward to present day. And, listen, there's a whole world of stories that we've yet to put in, so it'll be an ever-evident play, it'll always change. That's very interesting. So, it has that potential for evolution. What was it that planted the seed for the show? I mean, if you obviously Istanbul is dramatic in and of itself, and an obvious point of reference or point of beginning for something, but with this, it was more of a labor of love about a lifetime of passion for the Reds or was there some defining moment, which made you think, you know what, let's do this. Well, I think sometimes, you know, like a lot of us who were football fans, it was also frustrated for baller, I never really gave, I never really gave it me all when I was young and I had a bit of a poor aptitude, you know, I always thought I was too big for me boots when I was a kid as a footballer, I wouldn't be told what to do. So, certainly, you find yourself, you know, you're in your late 20s, you're not going to be a footballer, but I'm by this time, I'm a fanatical fan and the team are that good when I was in the 20s, sometimes I think that they let me astray. Yeah, yeah, yeah, instead of playing football, I was always going to watch them all over Europe. And even though I had no money and stuff, we were always bunking on the trains and bunking on the boats, which was harmless stuff then, you know, I'm not proud of anything but it was harmless stuff all the time and it's, I think, young people come up with a move, now they can, you know, every time they move, there's a camera on the motel and they've got to join this club. So, in the end, we just looked at the whole thing and one might miss them, always a fan climbing in also windows and what happens on a typical European trip, I wanted to sell that tail. But when I looked at the whole thing, I just thought the only thing to do is the whole football court system, very steady, don't want to first look at it. Sure, yeah. So, you know, I had to sit down and go through research and legends or I just thought to myself, I've got to, I've just got to have a go at it. I was really, really worried because the high selling the hills, the stuff, you know, I would be at low points and tragedies, but I think the way we pulled it off, if I'm really honest with you, if I'm honest with you, you know, it's no, the shop plays, it's no plays, but I'm actually of the moment to show. Well, I mean, there's so many of us just kind of on edge to say, really looking forward to it. I mean, I was, was it, was that very, very difficult for you trying to incorporate Heidel and Hindenburg, such, such sombre and tragic events into a show, which obviously, you know, is at its heart an entertainment, and you wanted to be uplifting as an experience. Well, it was because the fingers, you know, I was only used to really, I really enjoy more than anything right in comedy. I mean, I mean, if I'm both a typical example, I think the first big I don't want a voice and a message. A lot of people just say to me, go, I don't know what to do is get pulled up in the street and people always tell me it's hilarious, and when I write another one, you know, it's also, it's a lot of work, but I will write another book, again, but looking at the hills from the high school point, we can't leave the miles, so people are just going to say you've dodged it. Yeah. Or would it be in a comedy? The thing is, is to be able to go that low and sell them stories and bring it back up again. And I think we've done it really, really well. I mean, last night in the theatre, I never thought it was like 1100 people are thinking you couldn't hear the pins up on the hills of a scene, and by the end, I actually sort of was looking across sheets and there was a lot of people crying. So, you know, you're proud in one way, but you of course, it's very, very emotional because a lot of people relive it in the scene that we do in there, and then by the time that's finished, you have to bring it back up again, and we've got a stronger and a bit of stuff for that sort of make it light out and things it out of that, again, but, you know, that is the most important path, high-selling hills, but I think everybody so far said that we've done a fantastic deal of short work, you know, I'm over the moon up. It's just one of the moments where you feel relieved, if you know what I'm saying. Of course. Yeah, of course. What about the far end of things where, you know, I know if I was for myself and your shoes, I'd be very, very tempted to make a whole obtain about Kenny Douglas, you know what I mean? How much of it difficulty was it for you to avoid maybe centralizing your heroes, the ones that you particularly loved? Well, you see, it's all of our own, and for me, like I've ended up doing probably half of the show about Bill Chonkroy, but as well as seeing him as a kid, you see, I mean, I'm happy, you know, for when I'm so young kid and I see him, he was like a fellow who is just struck me as somebody who could lead people who you'd want to follow, you know, remember he said, yeah, his politics were very similar to ours, it's not the same, it's passion for football, it's the same as ours, so, you know, sort of, it's funny, you know, there's a lot of little people who are very passionate, like there's a lot of very passionate people in Dublin, but it's sort of just a couple of statements that come in a bit like James Cole, we think, if you, well, you know, what kind of story and scientist are you here? So, you see, you know, I decided to come in and provide the people up, so we've built Chonkroy, so, you know, there's a lot of Kenny Douglas in there, there's a lot of Bob Paisley in there, he's another fantastic hero, but, you know, we've looked at the plan, you know, there's only bits on Billy Little, there's only bits on Albert Stubbins, there's no lot, I mean, Calig in the most appearances, there's a hell of a lot of people there, Ian Rush, that we don't do a hell of a lot on, and so, it will always evolve, but the temptation for me wasn't probably the temptation, it was, that I didn't do too much on Bill Chonkroy. Right, look, the show is always going to open as it has done, and it's lovely to hear that it's doing so well in Liverpool, but what was it about Dublin, the appeal to you as a venue for a show as well, I mean, I know there's a connection between the cities, of course, but, was there any other reason, personal reason that you had for driving that tour's stubble? I think it's very, very similar to Liverpool every time I come there, it feels the same, I feel like, the city's here very, very similar, the humour's very similar, it's very cotton, you know, very sharp, I've got everybody's fence, I like, ribbon each of that, and I think that's, you know, when I've wrote stuff in the past, I've also played here, called 'Blick up the Mezzie Tons' in Liverpool, that was a huge year, it's sort of a capital theatre open, and it was sort of like, it was, it ran for about five years, and all it did that play was just like, it's gifted, and sort of, it's sort of, who calls it, everybody in Liverpool? Sure, yeah. Well, we have like London directors, come up with the director play, and all of the same thing is, you're going to have to tone this unit down and take it down, so it's a Liverpool Dublin, probably Glasgow, it's very similar to, it's like, it's that humour where, you know, you might be your best mate, will you give him help? That's the first thing you do, yeah, you tear him down, as you say, yeah, yeah, and a lot of people don't understand it, I mean, I always remember the 2001 FA Cup final, we were playing Arsenal, and I was also eight in Ireland, I was arguing in a pub, and then you asked how far we were drinking, like they came in and said, we went out and said to it, so what the lads, all you mates are fighting in there, and then we just said, we were all just all certain, who calls them each other, you know, the Londoners, they called, we were like, we were kind of fighting, we were getting aggressive, but we went just the way we are, so Dublin, I find it very much a home from home, and in all passing at the Liverpool fans out there, I've got a lot of friends there, we were in the big reds, and I just thought, well if we're going to do Ireland, we can go to Cork, we can go to the other coast in Ireland, we can go to Belfast, but where should we start with the show, and the idea of place, the obvious place to start was Dublin, I hope, people from the other parts of Ireland, like they did at one night in Istanbul, in order to come into Dublin and watch the show show, you know, that was, it was just fine on a centre point and Dublin was the right place, actually, I should answer that, I always wanted to play the game. Oh really, okay, well that's lovely, I think you can be fairly, fairly sure that people will make the effort to travel, because it's something that people will want to see, Nikki, but this is going to be a very busy year for you, with the show, are there any plans to tour it further afield? Yeah, we won't want to get all over the world, so that the answer stated that the first few places that it's been really pushed in is Liverpool and Dublin, probably the next place might be, maybe next year, I don't know, will probably be Belfast, over to Scandinavia, we were looking this year and maybe taking it with the football club over to America, we think we're a little bit short, a little bit tight on that now, but we're looking at like the football games and I just don't think the club has got enough going on, it's great that they have a game in like say New York or Chicago, and I just think it'd be fantastic as well as to stuff that people out downfield, Raptor and other little things like bands and stuff, I think it'd be nice to go and educate supporters and say this is the football club and have the show on outside of the stadium somewhere? Absolutely, again you can imagine there'd be massive interest, I really hope you get to do that, I mean also you've got, I'm around saying that the movie of 'Warmout and Istanbul' is due for release this year as well. Oh yeah, I mean it's been a long time coming, it should have been about a year ago, they missed the boat with the music and stuff, it should have come out August this year, sorry August last year, it's coming out August this year now, so yeah it will be busy, but like that's all in now on, you know, again I have to say a little bit like the Heisel and Hills for stuff going into this play, I watched the film behind closed doors, the other day and I was, so I've got to save you, I would bloody believe that it was a good film, because after spending that long on it, if it would have been an absolute deal it would have been able to crack me up and I'll tell you what, I don't even know it was a £1.5 million film I've prevented it by saying it apart and saying I'm going to start again because it's such an integral moment that Istanbul moment and I think, you know we're all being biased, I'm a little too supportive of course, but it's one of the greatest football games it's ever taken place, so we have to make a film that doesn't adjust us, so we're always okay, you know it's just okay and I've seen other bits, but nothing's done that Istanbul day just as so, this is what we've had with all the DICE and hopefully I think we've made a really good film, so listen I'll have more stuff out in the next step, really this play now is up and done, enough film is up and done, but we're just stuff in the air, I'm sort of at the moment, I can't stop, I'm just like on this thing, but I just want to keep going. So is there any truth to the rumor Nikki that you're putting together a new play featuring Colo, Luis Suarez and Brendan Rodgers, is that right or is that a scoreless rumor that I heard? Well if you go and see this play, I mean the last 5 or 10 minutes of this play is all about Luis Suarez, Brendan Rodgers, Daniel Sturridge, so all the new stuff's in there, now anyway, and there's a scene that everybody seems to love at the moment, which we've been a bit too used to focus on, let's go triple, well look everybody in the ground, the pool knows all that people, we've got Luis Suarez, it's the last year or so, there you go. Fantastic, look, you're a must go and read yourself, I mean I'll see, and our league win would probably drive Sam's as it shows tremendously, but what do you think are realistic possibilities of that yourself as a man who watches the matches closely? We have to pass both of these off, sorry. Of us actually, maybe Neil and Dan and Lee Gwindes here, do you think it's a possibility? Absolutely, I mean, yeah, I mean Chelsea have only got to lose the game and I still got to come to Anfield, I think, you know, a lot of things are in the United game and you can well, no it doesn't really, less than what I was saying to you, it's the great side that Brendan Rodgers has made, and the football have come away to see it as every game's important again, no. So every week comes up, I know you're here, a Liverpool fan's saying it's, ah, it's so important this game, I think no, every single game's important now. So you sell a little cliche, you've got to see every game of the time, but if they want it, when it all happens, it's the more than capable of doing the weekends, then I think it's going to give everybody a huge lift, I mean, it's all, I mean, I think it's the level, it's a good season, it's a good season to get back into the Champions League, but me personally, Noah, I want to go out and out for the league, well, it's very good for you. Sure, your man, like myself, who's seen the team win league after league and it's something that's kind of bred into us as supporters of a certain age, I mean, will you get all the traffic yourself, or how do you get the patches at all with the schedule that you see appear to have at the moment? No, that's where I've been running off a little bit of steam, I mean, I'll be going on Saturday next Saturday, but I'm not worried about that, no problems, I'll be getting me sick at it the other day, but I don't consider a game like I used to, I mean, I used to go to third league games a season, I can't do that no more, or I mean, I'll go to 20, and that might be 10 away games and 10 home games, so I do well, this season probably less, I'll probably end up going to, yeah, about half of that, man, do you know, if you get on the European one, those are the steps of legend for me, so if they're the ones I have to go on, so I break the bank and save me money to go to, I took them for granted, as I think the older, a few years ago when we played Barcelona and, you know, in Milan and all that stuff, but the next time we played, oh, my god, am I there? Fantastic. I'm half third of me, I've already, you know, that's the only one made, there's a lot of people booking flights that I really have, but listen, that's fantastic, really, really, a pleasure to speak to you, and the very, very best of luck with all the stuff you've got coming up, we can only wish it success. Thanks for your evolution, I'm really looking forward to Dublin, so anybody who's listening normally mates in Dublin, I'll be having a good break this time because I've been sure what is it you're just doing, nothing in the position, welcome to Dublin, I'm having a little back. Well, hopefully you might get to share at least one with you at some stage, thanks a lot, Nicky. Thank you. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. What? It's actually Geico. Whenever someone hit a triple, we would wave our bats and yell 15 minutes could save you 15% or more, but we never got to use it because we would only hit home runs, annoying. 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