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Is it a failure of messaging with the Secret Service or much more?

s it a failure of messaging with the Secret Service, or much more? #Trump #Secretservice #KimberlyCheatle The leaders of the House oversight committee called on the Secret Service director, Kimberly A. Cheatle, to resign after her testimony on Monday in which she repeatedly refused to answer specific questions about the security failures that led to an assassination attempt of former President Donald J. Trump. Representatives James R. Comer, Republican of Kentucky and the chairman of the committee, and Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the panel, joined several members of the committee in demanding Ms. Cheatle’s resignation. Suspected Donald Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks posted a cryptic message to to the online gaming website Steam that read “July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds” before he opened fired at the former president and his supporters on that date at a campaign stop in Butler, Pennsylvania, multiple outlets reported. The post was discovered as investigators continue to comb through Crooks' digital footprint in an attempt to determine why the 20-year-old shot at the former president and if he acted alone in planning the plot that left one person dead and several others seriously injured. Investigators also found that, in addition to searching for information about Trump's Butler rally, Crooks searched for dates of the Democratic National Convention in August and for the dates of other Trump events. (Forbes) Guest on tonight's show: 7/22/24 @ 9:00 PM With more than 40 years’ experience, Judy Pal has served in management and public relations positions for public safety, government, and the professional sports and entertainment industry in both Canada and the United States. A former broadcast journalist and news anchor, Judy has served in management and executive staff positions with law enforcement across North America. She has extensive experience dealing with sensitive, image‐threatening issues including criminal conduct of police officers, international scandal, and acts of terrorism.

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Is it a failure of messaging with the Secret Service, or much more? #Trump #Secretservice #KimberlyCheatle The leaders of the House oversight committee called on the Secret Service director, Kimberly A. Cheatle, to resign after her testimony on Monday in which she repeatedly refused to answer specific questions about the security failures that led to an assassination attempt of former President Donald J. Trump. Representatives James R. Comer, Republican of Kentucky and the chairman of the committee, and Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the panel, joined several members of the committee in demanding Ms. Cheatle’s resignation. Suspected Donald Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks posted a cryptic message to to the online gaming website Steam that read “July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds” before he opened fired at the former president and his supporters on that date at a campaign stop in Butler, Pennsylvania, multiple outlets reported. The post was discovered as investigators continue to comb through Crooks' digital footprint in an attempt to determine why the 20-year-old shot at the former president and if he acted alone in planning the plot that left one person dead and several others seriously injured. Investigators also found that, in addition to searching for information about Trump's Butler rally, Crooks searched for dates of the Democratic National Convention in August and for the dates of other Trump events. (Forbes) Guest on tonight's show: 7/22/24 @ 9:00 PM With more than 40 years’ experience, Judy Pal has served in management and public relations positions for public safety, government, and the professional sports and entertainment industry in both Canada and the United States. A former broadcast journalist and news anchor, Judy has served in management and executive staff positions with law enforcement across North America. She has extensive experience dealing with sensitive, image‐threatening issues including criminal conduct of police officers, international scandal, and acts of terrorism. 💯 Join our mission to uncover the truth in crime! Support Police Off the Cuff on Patreon for exclusive content and insider access. Click now and become a part of our detective squad: https://www.patreon.com/policeoffthecuff 💬 Did you like this video? Let me know in the comments below! ✅ Subscribe to Police off the Cuff right now! Click here: https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceofftheCuff?sub_confirmation=1 Or become a YouTube Member to get access to perks here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKo80Xa1PYTc23XN_Yjp8pA/join --------------- Welcome to the Official YouTube Channel of Police off the Cuff This is where the veil of mystery on high-profile cases is lifted through the sharp insights of seasoned law enforcement professionals and where real crime meets real analysis. This is your destination for exploring the complexities of true crime stories, illuminated by the rich experience and street wisdom of those who have walked the thin blue line. At the helm is retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a figure of authority in the crime investigation arena, with a diverse background that spans across acting, broadcasting, and academia. Bill's profound knowledge and keen analytical skills, combined with his empathetic approach, make each story not just heard but felt. Phil's extensive investigative experience, coupled with his genuine passion and characteristic Brooklyn charm, adds depth and relatability to the discussions. ➡️ Here we navigate the intricate web of the nation's most captivating crime stories, offering not just stories, but an education on the realities of criminal investigation. Their combined expertise provides a unique lens through which the stories are told, offering insights that only those with firsthand experience can provide. Join us on this journey into the heart of true crime, where every episode promises a deep dive into the minds of criminals and the tireless efforts of law enforcement to bring them to justice. --------------- 📲 Follow Police off the Cuff on social media: Instagram ▶️ https://www.instagram.com/policeoffthecuff Facebook ▶️ https://www.facebook.com/Policeoffthecuff-312794509230136/ Twitter ▶️ https://twitter.com/policeoffthecuf 🎧 Dive deep into true crime with Police Off the Cuff Podcast. Join retired NYPD expert Bill Cannon as he dissects infamous cases with insider insight: https://anchor.fm/otcpod1 ☑️ Support Police Off the Cuff and help us bring you more captivating crime stories. Every contribution makes a difference! Choose your preferred way to donate: Venmo: https://venmo.com/William-Cannon-27 PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/policeoffthecuff1gma --------------- 📚 Disclaimer: This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. --------------- #PoliceOffTheCuff

"My dad works in B2B marketing. "He came by my school for career day "and said he was a big row as man. "Then he told everyone how much he loved "calculating his return on ad spend. "My friends still laughing at me to this day." - Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get $100 credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Linked in, the place to be, to be. (upbeat music) - Hello everyone, and welcome to "Police Off the Cup" for your crime stories. I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27 year veteran of the NYPD. Folks, we all know that the attempted assassination of a Donald Trump, which ended in one person in the crowd being killed and two others seriously wounded, happened over nine days ago. And today was a hearing with Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheetel before Congress. And the question and the whole sort of intro to this case today, was it a failure in the messaging with the Secret Service, or was it much, much more? And to join us today, we're gonna have Judy Powell, who is a communication expert, talk to us about some of these failures. But if you watched any of the hearings today, it was really actually brutal to watch. It reminded me of my presentations at Comstad when I would take a beating. I wonder if anyone was shedding tears for me as I was taking a beating by the executive staff of the NYPD. This was much worse though. This is in front of the entire nation. The head of the Secret Service was told that she should resign, was asked if she wanted to use a five minutes from a specific Congresswoman to prepare her resignation letter. It was brutal, but you know something, when you see the preparation or lack thereof and the fact that our government in nine full days didn't do a single press conference, in regards to this case, it's actually quite disturbing. And the New York Times wrote in their article today, the leaders of the House Oversight Committee called on the Secret Service Director, Kimberly A. Cheetel, to resign after her testimony today, in which she repeatedly refused to answer specific questions about the security failures that led to an assassination attempt of former President Donald J. Trump. Representatives James Comer, Republican of Kentucky and the Chairman of the Committee, and Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the panel, joined several members of the committee in demanding this Cheetel's resignation. So this was not just a partisan ask for her to resign. This was bipartisan, and I think everyone agreed that in the words of one Congresswoman, this was a colossal failure on many, many fronts. And we're gonna discuss that tonight, but specifically targeting the communication and lack thereof, the crisis communication that maybe if our elected officials would have hired this woman, they would have had a good idea of how to address this. And we'll get into that a little bit more as we introduce them one at a time. Anyway, folks, hang on to your hats, hang on to your family members, hang on to your dogs, your cats, whatever you got, hang on to your personal point of view, 'cause you're about to enter true crime from a police perspective. You're about to enter the off-the-cuff zone, the police off-the-cuff zone. (dramatic music) They have to use some common sense. - Yes, sir, they have a car stop contaminant, grants microfiber. - We still don't know before the trailer. (dramatic music) - Folks, I know this is gonna be an amazing show. Let me get our co-host introduced right away, and we'll get our guest of honor introduced, and let me first go, retired NYPD detective, and straight out of Brooklyn detective Phil Gromaldi. Welcome to the show, Phil. - Thank you, Billy. Thank you for having me, and I'm excited. I think this is gonna be a great show. - Of course it's going to be. And we also have with us retired NYPD Sergeant Michael Geary, Professor at Alberta's Magnus College in Connecticut, attorney, all around good guy. Here's confessions too. Welcome to the show, Professor Michael Geary. Mike, welcome. - Thank you for having me. Well, welcome, Phil. Good to see you. - Same here, Mike. - And we have Judy Powell with us, and I just want to read a little bit of a resume. If I read the whole resume, it would take the entire show. She owns a company called 10-8 Communications with more than 40 years of experience. Judy Powell has served in management and public relations positions for public safety, government, and the professional sports and entertainment industry in both Canada and the United States. A former broadcast journalist and news anchor Judy has served in management and executive staff positions with law enforcement across North America. She has extensive experience dealing with sensitive image threatening issues, including criminal conduct of police officers, international scandal, and acts of terrorism. Prior to embarking on a full-time teaching and consulting career, she served as an assistant commissioner with the NYPD, Director of Operations for the FBI Law Enforcement Executive Development Association, FBI LEEDA, Chief of Staff with the Baltimore and Milwaukee Police Departments, and was a member of the command staff of the Atlanta, Savannah, and Halifax, Canada Police Department. Wow, I can't believe I said that in one breath. That was unbelievable. Anyway, welcome to the show, Judy Powell. - Thank you. I usually say she worked for eight different police departments and wasn't fired by anyone. That's the short way to do it. - Well, that's because of your crisis communication. You could talk your way out of it, right? (laughs) - I hope so. - Judy, I wanna ask you now. She's fading out a little bit. Well, one of the things that is a huge problem here was the crisis communication and the fact that none of these, there you are, Judy, you're back. Judy, I wanted to ask that if you like to give a grade to the Secret Service on their crisis communication for this incident, what would you give them a grade of? - I think you know the answer to that. It's just been a massive failure. It's an F. - Tar, so it's an F, and could you elaborate upon that? - Yeah, I think, look, if this isn't a clarion call to law enforcement to start taking communications a little bit more seriously, nothing is. I know their communication strategists for law enforcement have been saying the same thing. I've been hitting my head against the wall for years about it. I think the communication failure is this. Too many in leadership believe communication is just unicorns and butterflies, and they don't realize it's about keeping our cops safe and keeping our community safe. And what happened here is that a lack of communication, unknowingly, I'm sure, just removed more and more trust. I mean, some people didn't trust the Secret Service to start with, more trust is eroded. And what that does is emboldens well, wolves or others that are watching this to now, perhaps they're gonna take some kind of action. Look, they needed to frame a narrative and they didn't. And one of the things that really frustrated me was that there was an opportunity to create a narrative around the fact that this was simply not a attempted assassination. It was an attack on democracy. And I think if that narrative would have been framed early and loudly, we might not have the types of conspiracy theories, the giant voids that have been filled with all kinds of craziness. So that's just the beginning of it. But I will say this one thing, and I think this is a caveat everyone needs to understand. It is so important for a communication strategist to be sitting at the right hand or the right ear of a chief executive, whoever that may be. And just looking at the org chart, which is online at the Secret Service, their communication strategist does not sit directly beside the director. So that's kind of one of the challenges that we have, that the messenger needs to be right next to that person didn't happen. - Yes, and you know something, one of the things, and in the hearings today, one of the congressmen asked this question, and I was like, that was it in a nutshell. He says to the director of the Secret Service, how many press conferences have you had since the shooting? The answer was zero. How many press conferences has the FBI had since the shooting? The answer was zero. How many press conferences has Homeland Security? The answer is zero. That is unacceptable, both to the law enforcement community and to the American citizens. Just outrageous. - Yeah. - Mike, your thoughts? - You know, we might talk about that. - Sorry, we talked about news conferences, right? And they didn't have to do a formal news conference, which includes news releases and everyone lining up, and then you got the, you know, the, I call them the 10 soldiers standing in behind. But what they needed to do, immediately afterwards, was doing briefings, you know, on... - Mike, when we talk about, she's straightened out from, when we talk about one of the most important things was get out there, who is this guy? Who is Thomas Crooks? That was never put out there, was it? - No, Billy, we've seen any time the NYPD, in recent memory, I say it made the last 20 years, whenever there's a single use of deadly physical force by a law enforcement officer in New York City, immediately you see all the guards with the white shirts and the gold stars and the eagles and stuff on their epilets. They're out there with the microphones and their speaking live, you know, preliminary press conferences, with the newspapers, with the reporters from cable networks and things like that, and they want that, 'cause that's what people expect. The people in the neighborhoods that don't trust the police, the perpetrators' families, other law enforcement, politicians, they're getting ahead of the story and putting out their story. This is each and every time deadly force is used by the NYPD, almost always in New York City. In the failure to communicate that way and get something out, like Ms. Powell said, there's a void, there's a communication void, there's a vacuum, and in a vacuum, something will fill it. So you have all kinds of stuff online about, is this person, this guy, this young kid, I'm not even gonna say his name, 'cause I don't ever wanna say his name. Did this guy, is he like a maturing candidate sent by some other agency in the NY in the government to be put on and turned on and sent out to kill the president? Isn't it coincidence that he trains in Pennsylvania at the same gun range that the Department of Homeland Security changes, all kinds of stuff, all these weird things that people are putting out there and it happens when there is a vacuum and that vacuum is gonna be filled. They should have filled it. That is communications 101. - Absolutely, Phil. One of the things that she was asked today and I was baffled that she had no answers today in these hearings, while the congresswomen asked her, how many spent shells were on the roof next to the shooter? I don't have that information in front of me. Are you kidding me? If I would have gave an answer like that at Comstad, I would have been fired on the spot. They would have kicked my ass right out of that room and she's the director of the Secret Service. I was a rip sergeant or a squad sergeant and I would have been eviscerated giving an answer like that, Phil. - Yeah, Billy, I can't even believe that some of the things that are leaking out weren't put out by the Secret Service, the FBI, Homeland Security, somebody. Now, a lot of times when a major incident happens, we do have press conferences that we have updates. A lot of times they just even repeat stuff just to get out there and get in front of it. But one thing where they drop the ball with this specific incident, we could think about President Reagan being shot at. We could think about the Kennedy assassination. We could think about when squeaky foam went after Carter. All of these things are historic. This is a historic moment. And we have silence for nine or 10 days from the FBI, Homeland Security and the Secret Service. And then she goes on Capitol Hill and AOC of all people attacks her. If you lose AOC, you lost it all. It's time to turn in your resignation. I mean, the things you were just talking about, the amount of rounds that he fired, that's so minute in the big picture, that could easily be given up. I mean, she's saying she has to defer to the FBI 'cause it's an ongoing investigation. She knew how many shots will play within a couple of hours of this incident, if not suited in that. And Phil, how do you not bring that information with you when you're getting really, like Congress, who's subpoenaed your ass to get there and you don't have information? I wanna play this of what Judy does in her other job. - Four, there it is. And I've sat with a lot of the commanders that are in this room during media training and I've said, what are the words that you want to come to people's minds when they see us, when they see our cars, when they see our officers? What are those words? And I want you to think about that 'cause that can be a touchstone to everything that we are. You've been here all day today, learning about neighborhood policing and all those things, the shared responsibility, the collaboration, the driving crime down, the crime fighters that we are. That's part of the image that we wanna create for NYPD. - So that was Judy when she does our executive presentations with the NYPD. And I think you did a great job, Judy, 'cause now whenever there's a major incident, they get out there with all the biggest forces they can have. They give a press conference and the one or two sentences they say that is most important is that we want you to know that what we're telling you right now is preliminary and subject to change, Judy. - Yeah, yeah. Look, at John Timney, and I know all three of you know John's name, talked about the fact that when you have trouble getting information, it's usually because there's trouble with the information, right? Some of you guys actually might've heard that in Comstep. So I understand that, but here's the thing, there's still always something to talk about. If you can't actually talk about the incident itself, you can talk about the process. If you can't talk about the process, you can talk about the goals and objectives. And the thing that drove me, well, there was a lot of it that bothered me, but when you're talking about good crisis communication, especially, you need to think about M to the power of three, what the message is, what medium or method that you're gonna use to convey it, and who the messenger is, we never heard from the director in those first little while. So we saw a lot of comments being made by their spokesperson. We saw some general coming from the Secret Service. They don't, the American people don't trust that. They don't know who these people are. They needed to hear from the boss. And one of the biggest challenges we have in law enforcement is there's a lot of bosses out there that don't particularly love being on media. And I understand that. But the communication strategist job is to teach them how to appear on camera, how to look good, how to manage the message in their mouth and in their image. And when something like this happens, we are all looking to, who is the boss? The boss needs to say something. And in this case, it didn't happen. And again, that was another failure. - Totally inexcusable. You know, I just wanna play this to show everyone that those that didn't watch this meeting today, this interview with the Head of the Secret Service, how bombastic it got and how nasty it got. I almost felt sorry for almost, not quite, but I almost felt sorry for her 'cause it was ugly. It was really, really ugly. - Okay, my first question. Both sides of the aisle today have asked for your resignation. Would you like to use my five minutes to draft your resignation letter? Yes or no? - No, thank you. - Was this a colossal failure? - It was a failure. - Yes or no? Was it a colossal failure? Is the question? Yes or no? - I have admitted this is a terrible question. - This is a yes or no series of questions. Was this a colossal failure? Yes or no? - Yes. - Was this tragedy preventable? Yes or no? - Yes. - Has the Secret Service been transparent with this committee? - Yes. - Would you say the fact that we had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today as being transparent? Yes or no? - I have always been-- - Yes or no, you didn't want to answer the question. We had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today. That is not transparent, by the way. You stated earlier, Secret Service is not political. Is that correct? - Yes. - Okay, would you say leaking your opening statement to punch full news? Politico's playbook, in Washington Post, several hours before you sent it to this committee as being political, yes or no? - I have no idea how my statement got out. - Well, that's bullshit. So Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the record, articles by Punchbowl News, political playbook, Washington Post, all done at 5.24 a.m., 6.12 a.m., 6.34 a.m., a solid three to four hours before this committee got your statement. - Without objection to order. - Okay, is a Secret Service fully cooperating with our committee? - Yes. - Okay, you say you're fully cooperating with this committee. On July 15th, this committee sends you a list of demands of information that we wanted. Has the Secret Service provided this committee a complete list of all law enforcement personnel that were there that day? Have you done that? Have you provided a list to the oversight committee? Yes or no? - I'll have to get back to you on that. - That is a no. Have you provided all audio and video recordings in your possession to this committee? As we asked on July 15th, yes or no? - I would have to get back to you. - That is a no. You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest. - Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I want to-- - Mr. Chairman, we have to maintain the quorum in this committee no matter how upset we get. - All memos to this committee that we've asked you on July 15th. Have you provided all of them randos within the Secret Service? - I would have to get back to you on that. - That is a no. You are being dishonest or lying. I just, you're being dishonest here with this committee. These are important questions that the American people want answers to. And you're just dodging and talking around it in generalities and we had to subpoena you to be here and you won't even answer the questions. We have asked you repeatedly to answer our questions. This isn't hard. These are not hard questions. Have you provided us all communications from the Secret Service related to that day and that rally? Have you provided this committee? We've asked for this information on July 15th. Have you provided any of this information that this committee has asked of the Secret Service, any of it? - I'll have to get back to you. - Have you even read this letter that we sent you? Did you even read this? - Yes. - Okay, and you have said you don't know. You have no idea. The answer is no. We haven't gotten a single document or piece of information or data from you or your agency in related to the rally that we have asked you for. - Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful. How do you go to a meeting that you had nine days advanced notice that you were gonna be called to and you're totally unprepared? Judy, what do you think? What are your thoughts on that? I think she froze up. - I didn't hear it. - I said, how do you feel about the fact that she wouldn't answer any questions? She was unprepared. She didn't bring any documents with her. I don't have it in front of me. That's not a good answer. That's horrible. She faded out. Phil, answer the question. - Yeah, I'm gonna answer the question. This is a very sad moment for this woman because if she had come prepared, she may have been able to save her job. I mean, if she answered half the questions, a quarter of the questions, she answered no questions and she was completely unprepared. Did you see at the end, she said, did you even read this? She admitted that she read the request for information and she sent zero to the house. I mean, come on, you're not gonna even come prepared. If you didn't send anything, bring it with you. Answer some of the questions. This is really a sad moment for this woman because had she answered some questions, she might have pulled out of this, looked like she was somewhat competent and saved her job. She just put the cherry on the top of the cake. She's completely incompetent. There's no way that this woman should continue on in this position. I think everyone on both sides of the aisle are calling for her to resign. How she still has the position, the president of the United States needs to come out and say it's time for your resignation. I'm sorry, this is just unacceptable. Minuscule details of what occurred. I mean, we almost lost a former president and the candidate for the Republican side of the presidential election in November. This is a historic moment and she has zero answers. I'm sorry, just unacceptable. - From the chat, Lynn Howenstein. Thank you, Sir, for this show. Not all retired cops wanna talk about this. Like from point of view of local cops being thrown under the bus, be nice if that retired cops discuss. Mike, absolutely, the Secret Service was in charge and the fact that they are trying to throw local police under the bus is outrageous. It's totally outrageous. They can't shirk their responsibility and say, oh, we told the cops to be on the roof. Are you kidding me? You are the guys that are in charge of securing, doing the pre-planning, doing the front people that go to the site before the event. They cannot blame the local police for this, Mike. - Yeah, Billy, they can't, they own it. And when you go there and you do the pre-planning, Phil Mose, Phil's done this. You go there and you look around and you sit, figure out where the stage's gonna be. You look at the angles, you know, egress and ingress, you look at the angles and you look at the roofs and you know, okay, we can put somebody behind to watch the crowd. We got a building over there, it's about 400 feet away. It's a little elevated. I wonder if we can see it from the roof behind us where we're gonna have the snipers. But it's outside our perimeter. Well, we're gonna need somebody up there. So we're gonna make sure that we have enough officers, either Secret Service or the local PD, or the Sea Troopers, if somebody's gonna be up there where we will not have the present in the United States on stage in an unprotected area, unless we have all the angles figured out. The fact that they did, they didn't secure that roof. And this guy was up there for several minutes. It's incomprehensible. I do not like to criticize law enforcement because I know, you know, we've all done this. We know it sometimes you can mess up. But this, they had the pre-planning. This was an event, the kind of event that they do, numerous times a year. And with President Trump, he's been doing these rallies like two a week in different states. This, there is no excuse for this. The best thing that Cheetos should have done was the day of the assassination attempt. She should have gotten the car. She should have flown to the airport. She should have gotten to Pennsylvania. She personally should have taken over the investigation right at the ground. She should have had a press conference with her field jacket on that says, Secret Service Chief on it at a quickly access podium and say, I'm gonna be here. We're gonna be here for like the next 72 hours. We're getting all this information. We can't do the internal investigation because the FBI is gonna be in charge of that. But we will be communicating with the FBI and with everyone else in the media. As soon as we get the information, we're gonna pass it on. That never happened and the crazy conspiracy theories that have occurred just fill the void because there's no, there's no communication. There's nothing to balance it. It's really sad and the buck stops with her. That's the way it goes in this kind of case with this kind of horrific failure from start to finish and plus after the finish, the failure of communication, she needs to go. She needs to fall on her sword and say, it's time for me to go. That's it. - Absolutely. You know, one of the things that I found interesting is that her report was leaked to two, three separate newspapers and she's denying that she knew that. It was like in perfect sequence. One was that-- - How long before she's gonna testify? - Right, right. We were just totally outrageous and like, what are we dealing with? Does that make the public and the citizenry that's asking all kinds of questions even more suspicious? You bet it does. Let's just go back and we'll finish this interview from this Congresswoman. - So, is this was this attempted assassination of Donald Trump, both failure of training or execution or both? - I think that those are answers that we need to-- - Training execution or both, which one? - I think those are answers. - All right, how many secret service personnel have lost their jobs due to this colossal failure? - At this time, none. - How many secret service personnel have been required to take a refresher course on how not to let people shoot Donald Trump? - Our personnel are currently operational. We are examining the facts of this investigation and we will make the changes necessary. - What time did law enforcement become aware that there was an individual on the roof with a clear line of sight to President Trump? - I am still verifying timelines. - Of course, nine days in, you have no answers. How many minutes went by? Between the time law enforcement saw and took photos of crooks and the shooting? How many minutes? - I am still verifying fifth. - Outrageous, you know something? And I mentioned to you guys, and Mike, I don't know if you ever presented at Comsted before, but I used to do it all the time 'cause I was in the detective view. I used to get beat up and I knew my shit. I knew about my robberies. I knew everything about them and I studied for days and days and hours and hours because I didn't want to look like a jackass when they asked me about my command. What was I doing? And this was in front of an entire nation. And I actually did feel sorry for it, but then I felt like, wait a minute, this was by design. You came here unprepared. You came, you could have had your staff, right? You up a 10, 15 page report with all the facts that are known at this time, and you could have presented it to Congress and to the American people. You chose not to do that. It looks like you're incompetent, Phil. - Billie, I want to know one question. What was she doing for the last nine days? Because she didn't talk about anything that she was doing. Was she getting updates? Mike just described what major incident in the NYPD in New York City, a police shooting, whatever. You see the police commissioner out there. You see all the top brass out there, and then they have a press conference and they give whatever information they feel is necessary to think about out there. Without compromising the investigation that's taking place. She gave us nothing. Now, I don't want to keep beating up the Secret Service. There are good people out there. Those good people jumped on top of former President Trump and tried to save his life when he was in a time of crisis. There it is, they got around him. There's a lot of good people. They were short staffed. There was less Secret Service agents and Secret Service cooperation that was given to this rally than there should have been. There's a thing called a site survey plan. That goes with the threat assessment and the advance that takes place days before. Now, in that site survey plan, I will almost bet my pension on it, that in that plan, it's going to show that that building was a definite threat. It needed to be covered. I'm sure it's going to be there. They don't want to talk about it. They don't want to give any information, of course. They're worried about making themselves look bad in the press. However, Mike brought it up. You're getting all these conspiracy theories that have just gained in more and more attractions. There's news agencies out there and there's people in Hollywood saying that this thing was staged. It's not even true. Crazy, crazy stuff, okay? But we know it took place. This is a major, major incident. The messaging was horrible and I'm so glad that we had our guests. I feel terrible that she's having trouble with her internet because I never was in management in the police department. I never got that type of training. But I think she had a lot to offer for guys like us with regard to messaging and with regard to being communicative. She brought up the 3M's, the stuff that you, how are you going to do it? What are you going to put out there? And it also, it puts a stop to this conspiracy nonsense that goes on. I just feel sorry for the Secret Service in whole. I don't feel sorry for Chilo because she just continues to stonewall. But there are good people at work in the Secret Service. You don't feel I just want to say that there was a tremendous valor by the guys that jumped on Trump and tried to use their bodies to shield him from a potential second shooter. But the overall plan and the fact that they, a 20 year old geek with an AR-15 defeated the US Secret Service and almost killed a former president and did kill a citizen of Butler, Pennsylvania, who was a volunteer fire chief and critically wounded two other citizens that were at this rally. We can't ever forget that and that is a failure of security and a failure on many, many other levels. And that we cannot excuse because that is something that is the reality of what happened this day. And the fact that at this point nine days from this incident that our government is trying to cover it up is outrageous. Dr. D, Secret Service is under the Treasury Department. I.E. Central Bank is at Square Mile of Real Estate in London called the City of London or Private Playground of the Rothschild Royal Family. So no, no trust. You know, Dr. D, many people are not trusting our government over this. Many people, not just you, are calling. FBI Director Christopher will find out the truth. You know something, I'm not so sure that I'm really not so sure. I'm not confident that he's not going to give the same type of answers. It's an ongoing investigation. I think he might give a little bit more after seeing what happened today. I would hope that. But I think he's going to be in the same mode that it's an ongoing investigation. Really can't give too much information, but it's nonsense. They could give out a lot of stuff at this point. Absolutely. This is an interview or a presentation by Representative Matt Pat Fallon from Texas. And this is blistering because he finds out that the Secret Service Director and Mayorkas are lying, are telling a lying to them. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] >> I'm sorry, I'm hearing that we were having some sound problems with that. Did you hear it Phil? >> No, nothing, it just froze Billy. >> Okay, I'm sorry. >> He didn't play at all. >> Basically what he was asking was, he was asking about why had she visited the site right after this happened? Did she call the people that went to Trump's, saved his life, jumped on top of it? And all of those were nose, so it was just showing this whole thing. It's just a comedy of, well it's not funny, it's not a comedy, but there's lots of errors here, Mike. >> Billy, Phil talked about it, is it in competency and they don't want to admit that they're wrong? And Phil said, are they stone walling, because it looks like they're stone walling. And for me, I think they're stone walling, I agree with Bill, that they're stone walling because they don't know what to say. They don't know what to do, they're like frozen in the crosshairs. I think maybe they're just hoping the FBI's investigation will take six months. By that point, they may be out of a job, they may be out of government service and they may be back in the private sector. And they will not have to answer any more of these embarrassing questions. So it's kind of like they're running out the clock, so I'm not sure. But the fact that we don't have the number of rounds fired. I mean, we've done, and I've done these, and you've typed these up, and Phil, you've probably even typed these up. You get some sort of special sort of thing, like maybe a shooting, a rape or something like that, and you've got to do a 49, okay? And you're banging it out while you're in the radio car, you're writing it up, you're going back to the station house, you're knocking it out, and you're going to go back out again. And you get this stuff done in a matter of hours. You've got everybody who was at the scene, you've got the R&P numbers, you've got the shield numbers, you've got tax radius numbers, you've got the 80 numbers, you've got the 61 numbers. You know where everybody's gone, what hospital they've gone to, you know who the assigned detective is, you know who's at the place guarding the crime scene until crime scene gets there. You know, you're the octopus as a patrol sergeant. I mean, this is the kind of stuff you can do. It seems here that everything has been pushed down. So maybe the local Secret Service, you know, Asian in charge, it may be the one who's doing it, but there's no oversight. It's really terrible, and I think it's both stone-walling and like Phil, I think it's both stone-walling and in competency. And the fact that there's no answers is a disservice to everyone. And it leads the public to believe that they should not have any trust whatsoever, that these people are just bureaucrats. They're part of the administrative state, and they're not there to solve a problem. You know, Mike, I read a lot of the messages in our chat, the after-the-fact messages. And people keep saying, "There's three different guns, the sound of three different..." I can't, I'm not a ballistics expert, I can't argue that. But that should have been dispelled by our government by putting out, no, this is who fired. We have all the shots accounted for. We know that this sniper fired, this many shots, we know that Thomas Crook's fired, X amount of shots, another sniper fired. But that information's not out there. So what does that do? It makes people invent things, conspiracy theories, and not just people, but also the press. And to tell you the truth, I think the press has done a fantastic job in this case. Because where there would have been no information if the press did not report upon this, Phil. Yeah, Billy, just the fact that she says the buck stops with me, doesn't solve the problem. Because of no information, there is no buck to even stop, she's not giving the information. And you're right, Billy. If it wasn't for the media, we wouldn't be getting a lot of the information that we're getting. Now, they talked about on the first day or the second day that he went out and purchased the latter. They said, but he didn't use the latter, he climbed on air conditionings. Today during the hearing, they talked about the latter being utilized. That's still unclear. Why can't they come out and say, this is how we believe he accessed the roof, which he did the shooting on. All they have to do is say this could change in the future, but based on the preliminary investigation where we are within the first couple of days, we believe he accessed the roof by climbing on the air condition or using it or whatever it was. And these are just such miniscule details that they could be putting out. Instead of putting out nothing, we wind up with the conspiracy theories, and this causes distrust throughout the country, on our government, on our Secret Service, and it's staining them. It's unnecessary staining of the Secret Service Agency, which we know that there are good people at work in that agency. She is incompetent and needs to step down or be transparent, come out with her. There should be briefings. No, what does she do? A couple of times a day. Phil, even if she's transparent, she needs to go. She needs to go. She can never leave that agency ever again. Maybe she never really did lead it, because her leadership skills, they leave a lot to be desired. Folks, this is police off the cover of your crime stories if you like real crime, true crime. From a police perspective, you're in the right place, and if you're not subscribed, go on our YouTube. Hit that subscribe button, give us a thumbs up, hit the like button, share us with your friends and your family. If you want to contribute to us financially, we have a Patreon with four different levels, and we also have a YouTube channel membership with counting five different levels, and we appreciate all our fans, our friends, our subscribers who make this show and keep the show alive and moving as it is. The News Nation, let me make sure this will play. News Nation had this where a lot of members of Congress visited the site. Shouldn't this have been the director of the Secret Service visiting this site? On all the different local departments helping out, they say that did not happen, which they found to be shocking. Listen to what we just found out. Some of the things we learned today, normally the local law enforcement guys are allowed to sit in the Secret Service. They had two battlefielders, we called them in the Army Tactical Operations, basically the control areas, the control room where the leadership sits and monitors the actions. The local guys and the state guys had their own, and then the Secret Service had their own. Normally, they put a person from the locals in the Secret Service area. Today, the locals shared with us that they were not allowed to have anybody in there. That makes you want to dig a little further, right? In terms of radio communications from what we could tell today, and we need to get some clarity, some granularity on this, there was very limited communication between the locals or the outer perimeter and the inner perimeter. Now, this is going to be crucial, Kelly, if all of this pans out, because the question all along is when the shooter was spotted by people in the crowd and when the local police saw the shooter, how come the Secret Service didn't immediately know how come the President, former President Trump, was not immediately notified, what was the breakdown there? This starts to explain that if they weren't on the same radio system and there wasn't actually a local police officer in the room with the Secret Service in their command center. That could very well be a very big part of the explanation, Kelly. Wow. All right. You know, Brian Enton hit it on the head. If I had to say the biggest thing, lack of training, lack of cohesiveness, lack of communicating with the local police is that the local police, who spotted him or the crowd told him, didn't have the same radios as Secret Service. How the hell are you supposed to communicate with them in real time? That is unacceptable, totally unacceptable. If a local police officer from the Butler Township had, he would have just got on the radio. There's a guy on the roof with a rifle or up on the roof. He's suspicious. They couldn't communicate in real time. Mike. Billy, that failure is catastrophic because all it takes is just 30 seconds, 20 seconds a minute, and they had even more time than that. But just think this person was on that roof, shimming up that roof, and all he needed was a few seconds. That every second matters when it's that kind of situation and the fact that they couldn't communicate with the other with the Secret Service. They weren't invited into planning. They couldn't communicate. You just sit there and you shake your head because communications is the key to everything. It allows you to move the manpower when you need it so that you could react to a particular situation that is developing. When you look at the video that is online and it's publicly available of seeing this person, I'm not going to mention his name, shimming up to the roof, and the people are screaming, there is, there is, there is. You just took a stopwatch and just counted down the seconds. It was almost two minutes from the time they started the time that the shot was fired. Where was the communication to ask Donald Trump to say, "Sir, could you go up the stage for a few minutes?" Or depending on what time he was going on, sir, we're not going to allow you up on that stage. We're investigating something. We might be a couple of minutes. We'll let you know. Just stand by. We're going to have our communication guide talk to you. That's all you needed. Mike, I got it. How much is quickly? It was it. Mike, can I interrupt you for a second, please? Yeah. In a situation where the Secret Service is standing by the former President of the United States and the Republican candidate for President in a couple of months, and someone puts over the radio that there's a person on a roof with a rifle, they immediately take them off. They're not asking them if they take them off. That would be the drill. And anytime we worked with the Secret Service in New York City, in the Intelligence Division that I worked in, there was always a Secret Service agent very close to an NYPD detective, so that way they would be communication. So if other detectives or other police officers put over the radio, that there was a suspicious person on a roof possibly armed with a rifle, there would be transmission to that officer that's standing next to a detective or a boss, whatever. That's very close to a Secret Service agent, and they would communicate that. That was a failure of communication 100% on this day. Of course, we knew for 20 minutes he was on that roof at least. And there were times when they were saying he had a rifle when they went up there and he was startled and all that. So there was plenty of time to warn the President to be taken off that stage. He wouldn't be asked if he'd be taken off is the drill. The minute you hear a gun, you hear cover and evacuate. That's the training. When there's a threat on your principle, you cover him and you evacuate him. Simple. Absolutely. Carly, good point. They said he was identified as being suspicious when he entered with the rangefinder, but yet they lost sight of him. Carly, I find that the radio was the number one snafu. Number two is what you just said. He was identified as being suspicious. How was someone not glued to his ass the whole time he was on those grounds? You know, something I did six and a half years in anti crime. And I could look at someone and tell you what crime they were going to commit by their physical actions. How they would move, where they would go. The circuitous route they would take in and out of side streets, which led you to believe the person was a robber. And all of those things and service agents are trained to spot body language of people that are suspicious. How was no one that I hate to use the expression, but I think it gives the point. How was no one glued to that guy? Outrages. Just the video that you saw of him laying in the background towards that building in that area. That alone, I mean, if I observed that, to me, that would be suspicious. Like, why is that guy by himself over there when he's just like laying in the background, I would have went over and stopped questioning first that person. That's the way I mean, listen, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback now, but that video just struck me as that little bit of short video struck me as him being suspicious. And we know that he was carrying the range, find that they took it. Someone had the conscious of mind that was suspicious enough to snap a picture of him. So with all those things, I mean, listen, there were a lot of failures here. Again, I don't want to beat up any law enforcement agencies, but we're just pointing out the things that we know that are being reported. With regard to the communication, that's how we started this show, we've seen the breakdowns numerous times, so far since it's happened nine days ago. Again, today, a stone walling hearing, she gave no information. If a little bit at all, it was like nothing to me. And I think that it was really detrimental to herself, to the agency, and it was unnecessary. She's toast. She's done. First of all, how do you go to a meeting where you're subpoenaed? So you're going there almost as a hostile witness because you had to be subpoenaed to go there. How do you not bring any notes with you? And then you use that as an excuse, oh, I don't have it in front of me. Why didn't you? You had nine days to have your staff prepare you 20 pages of notes, telling every single piece of evidence we have in this case. No one's getting prosecuted. The shooter's dead. You know what else to Billy? With my orchestra being her boss, if he had any one ounce of integrity, he would have either fired her long ago or today, right after that meeting, she needed to be dismissed. And he didn't. It shows he has no integrity himself. But I just feel like they really stepped on their own. You know why? Because it was a matter of just putting out simple information. There's a song that 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing. They gave us 100% of nothing. Absolutely. Let me play a little bit of this from Forbes. Very interesting. I'd like to direct your attention to this video. And I sincerely appreciate the clarity on this. I want to ask you because this has been this has popped up Republican Congressman Mike Walz. He said on social media on Saturday, and I'm going to read this for you because it does talk about you, Secretary. I have very reliable sources telling me that there have been repeated requests for stronger secret service protection for President Trump denied by Secretary Mayorkas. Your department has already pushed back on that, calling that absolutely false, but he is putting this on you. Can you respond to that, please? Well, that is, yeah, that's a, that's a, a baseless and irresponsible statement and is one that is unequivocally false. Yeah. Director Cheetoh, did you speak with your boss, Secretary Mayorkas? You, you fall under DHS. Did you speak with them on the 14th, the day after? Yes, I did. So you spoke with him before he made that statement. I spoke with him. Did you immediately find an incident? Did you inform him that all requests for additional resources for President Trump had been fulfilled, or, or that it was false to say they had been denied? I informed him that the request for that rally that day had been fulfilled. Okay, you're, you continue to answer that very carefully, because I made a broader statement. The agents that came to me made a broader statement that is permanent protective detail for years now have been asking for more. Is that correct? I do not have specific incidents of those requests. Is it correct that they've been asking for more? I have heard the same reports that you have, without having them in front of me. I am on those requests are made in writing. I mean, the agents are telling me they make him in writing. This isn't a verbal agency. Things are made in writing. I understand what you're saying. I don't have those requests in front of me here. I'm not asking if you have them in front of you. Are you aware that they were made? As I said earlier, there are times when requests are made, and depending on the availability of assets, or if there is a way that there were times when they were denied. If there is a way that that vulnerability can be mitigated in a different way, then that is why that there are times when they were denied for a variety of reasons. That is why the Secret Service has a multi layered and multifaceted security plan so that we can pivot. So in the wake, I mean, in the immediate 48 hours of an assassination attempt on a former president could be the next leader of the free world, almost had his head blown off. Your boss says that's irresponsible and false to say things are denied, and you would talk to him. So did he just make that on his own, make that up on his own, or did you tell him that? We were speaking about the requests made at the rally. Staff, can we show the next slide, please. Then we have your spokesman. Did you sign off on this statement? So there's an assertion that a member of the former president's team requested additional security resources, and those were a buff. This is absolutely false. In fact, we added protective resources and technology and capability as part of the increased campaign travel tempo. But next slide, please. Next slide, please, staff. We have the Washington Post article that then says, we now have senior Secret Service officials saying there were in times at times when it was denied. So which is it? Again, there have been a number of conversations going on here. Did you sign off on that spokesman statement? The spokesman statement, I believe, was related to requests that were made. Did you sign off on it? For the requests that were made at the rally? Did you sign off on the statement before it went out? I signed off on my press spokesman statement before they go out. I would hope you would in the wake of an assassination attempt. Yes. You did. Categorically false that any requests were made. You signed off on it. Thank you for that. Thank you for that clarity. Madam Director, how many press conferences have you held since the assassination attempt? How many press conferences have you held gone to the mic, taken questions from the public, from the media? How many? I have not held any. How many has Secretary Mayorkas held? Zero. How many has the FBI held? Zero. How many has the Department of Justice held? I know you know the answer. I believe there was a press conference in Butler after the incident occurred. By local law enforcement. Not by you and not by the Department of Homeland Security. So this is how this information flies. I mean, in the darkness, in the absence of information. Now we have nine days later, before a congressional committee, we all represent almost a million people. And you still don't have answers. Are you aware that national news anchors are saying this was a hoax? On national television, they're saying no, the president wasn't shot. It was flying glass. Are you aware of that? I have not heard this report. Are you aware that, I mean, there are rumors rampant online that there were multiple shooters? Yes. Are you aware that because the shooter had overseas encrypted platforms in Belgium and New Zealand and in Germany, that a lot of people are speculating there could have been for an involvement logically. Are you aware of that? Yes. And have you done anything to disabuse any of these notions today? No. You haven't. Madam Director, I would fire you, regardless of the failure, I would fire you just how you've handled it since. You should have been the first to the mics to say America, world, I want to assure you we're going to get to the bottom of this. I want to assure you full transparency. Our agency clearly had major gaps here. And I want to personally take responsibility and accountability. You should have been the first standing alongside secretary, Secretary Mayorkas. And I would even go so far as to say have daily press conferences updating everyone on what we know. But you haven't had any of that. What are you hiding behind? I am not hiding because you're making the situation worse. I think you've heard that on a bipartisan basis here. You are making this situation far worse in the absence of information. Let's move on. Amazing. Just absolutely amazing. You know, I can only. There's a couple of conclusions you can make from this. A, she's purposely not telling us anything to hide something that's occurred that they're not proud of. Or B, she's incompetent. And, you know, how did she get this job then? You know, and we have to ask those questions. But it's nine days and she hasn't given a single press conference, nor has the FBI, nor has the Department of Homeland Security, and nor has the Department of Justice. Nine days after a former president was the subject of an assassination attempt. And one in which one person was killed and two others critically wounded. And we, as the public, American citizens, are being subjected to this hearing, a hearing that we're learning that she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. Billy, I wrote down ten things that I would like to have asked this Secret Service Director. Did he recon the location where the drone, that's being heavily reported. I think the answer to that is yes. There was a ballistic vest and two IEDs found in and around his vehicle. The area where the shooting took place was the Butler Farm Showgrounds. That was the site of the Trump rally. He downloaded that on his phone or he searched it on his phone. Did he place the rifle there before the shooting? We believe that it's still unclear. He accessed the roof by latter Ectishing. Still unclear. She could have answered those questions. He picked a perch outside of the inner perimeter. I think that that building should have been in the inner perimeter. Was it in the perimeter? Is it on the site plan? Search both Trump and Biden's campaign locations. That was on his phone. She could have talked about that. The rangefinder. He bought 308 rounds the morning of the shooting. Could she have confirmed that? I mean, they spoke to the gun store owner. He confirmed it. He doesn't have any formal military training. I think she could have talked about that. He had access to an AK style rifle and he also searched mental illness. Why couldn't she have addressed any of those things? Those are just simple questions that have already been reported. Some of them may be true. Some of them may be false. She could have cleared up a lot of the conspiracy theories today. However, she just said, "I don't have that information in front of me." You know, if you would have came there with a 20 page report prepared by her staff and signed off by herself and read it before Congress, that would have been much more than we got. I don't have the information. Well, why don't you have the information with you? You knew you were coming. You were subpoenaed to come here. How do you not have this information and how do you not know it? If you don't know it, then you should just get fired right now. I mean, this is unacceptable. And she's a chief executive. She's an executive in law enforcement. She is the director of the Secret Service. Mike. Billy, yeah. She's the director of the United States Secret Service, probably the best Secret Service agency in the entire world in any Western country guarding their president or their prime minister. We are the gold standard. It's supposed to be the gold standard. And when you get this kind of, I don't know. I don't have that in front of me. That sort of thing. You know, you're asking the American public to say, "Trust me, although I'm not going to give you information. Trust me, but I don't know what that information is." You know she knows what that information is. You know, she probably has been told, "Do not give that information out by somebody." And she doesn't have the cahonies to say, "You know what? I am the director. I will prepare a report on what I know regardless of what the FBI wants because I don't care about them. They're going to do what they're going to do with their investigation." But I, as the executive officer here, in charge of the Secret Service, the number one Secret Service in the entire world, the most professional Secret Service in the entire world, I'm going to tell the American public what I know. And she didn't do it. She doesn't want to do it. But she knows the answers. But the problem is, in this vacuum, the distrust level by the population, by the body politic, the voters, the body politic of our nation, the trust meter has gone way down because people not realize she's stone-walling. She's stone-walling. She's not stupid. She's stone-walling. And we don't know why she's stone-walling. And that's the scary part. But you cannot stone-wall and then tell people, "Oh, but trust me. I know what I'm doing. Trust me. We're going to get to the bottom of it. Trust me. We're going to be honest later. You cannot do that." She asked to come back with the full report in 60 days. Even Congressman Ocasio-Cortez said, "We cannot wait 60 days. 60 days she wants." She might be out of work 59 days in 60 days. She will be out of work before that 60 days. Director, real quick, at what time was Secret Service aware of the active threat against President Trump? Director, what time? So the Secret Service was aware that there was an individual who had been identified as suspicious and that that individual was attempting to be tracked down. At what time? I don't have a specific timeline other than to- Director, it's been nine days at what time? I understand that. I want to make sure that I give you factual information, sir. Director. Have you talked to the agents on the ground that day? Yes, I have. You've talked to all of them. Your senior team has talked to every agent that was on the ground that day. Yes, we have. Have they all corroborated the same time they identified the shooter or they were made aware of the shooter either by attendees in the crowd or local police department? There are a number of reports of when those times were made- Was it five minutes before the first shot rang out? No. Generally speaking, was it ten minutes before the first shot rang out? No. Was it fifteen minutes before the first shot rang out? It was less than that time frame when it was identified as a threat. How many days before the shooting took place at Secret Service actually do their advance work to secure the facility that the rally was going to be held at? Five days. In the five days prior when the security advance team did their work, did they identify the rooftop as a potential threat? Again, I'm pulling those reports and that information- It's been nine days, Madam Director. Did they notice a rooftop 150 yards away that was a potential threat? Yes or no? I am certain that the rooftop was noticed. I am pulling the reports. What was the security parameters around securing that rooftop? What did they do? There was overwatch provided for that rooftop. Did overwatch fail? I am waiting to hear what the results of the investigation were so that I can identify where the failure was. Who did you talk to that was on the ground that day that was responsible for overwatch? What are their names? I'm not going to provide their names in this setting. Did you talk to the people that were providing overwatch that day? I've talked to the people that conducted the advance on that day and that were working the shift and were the counter snipers on that day. So you talk to the counter sniper team. You talk to the people who were providing overwatch that day and you talk to the advance team, correct? Yes, sir. What did they tell you? We are putting together a comprehensive report so that I can identify exactly where the gaps and the failures. When the counter sniper team was on the roof and they identified it, there was a suspicious activity on the roof in question. What was the chain of command orders around the person on said roof? Because I'm quite sure somebody saw in under your organization, the Secret Service, I'm quite sure somebody saw the shooter on the roof. So what was the communication through the chain of command to deal with said person? What I can tell you is that when the individual was identified by the counter sniper, they took one shot and neutralized that individual. But that was after the shooter already took a shot, is that correct? That is correct. So what you're saying now is that the Secret Service did not see the shooter on the roof until after the shooter took a shot? I do not have all of those details at this time. If you don't have those details after nine days, director, then what you're telling me is that you guys didn't see it. Is that correct? I am telling you, I don't have all the details of the sequence at this time. Director, it's been nine days. Either you have the information or you do not. Is that correct? We are still in the process of conducting interviews and an investigation. Some of my colleagues have texted me over the last couple days by partisan about whether you should lose your job. And I've been quiet on that question because I wanted to see what you were going to do today. In my opinion, you do need to be fired immediately. And it is because this is gross incompetence. And the fact that it's been nine days, and these are simple questions to answer, I'm quite sure if I asked any one of my kids, if they got in trouble, I told them to give me the details, I would get more answers from them that I'm getting from you right now. And that's what's frustrating on a bipartisan basis on a nonpartisan basis. This is a joke. And director, you're in charge. And that's why you need to go. Mr. Wow, wow, right? And I mean, he was very convincing, right? He would ask the specific questions, all questions that were quite easy to answer. And I'll go back to Comstad. If I gave some of the answers at Comstad that the director of the Secret Service, they would have sent me packets so quick, you know, they would give you what they call in the NYPD as a highway therapy. They would have been transferred to Staten Island. That's about two hours from where I live, you know, and she needs highway therapy too. But she needs, no, she needs plain therapy. She needs to fly the hell out of Washington DC and be fired. She needs early retirement therapy. That's what she needs. And Billy, I don't know if the listen is know what a Comstad is, but that's a meeting. Maybe you could explain a little bit better that the, the, the hierarchy of the police department have a meeting month. Maybe you want to explain it a little bit? Well, Comstad and the NYPD really is they bring the precinct commanders and his support staff to a meeting, you know, once a month or maybe sometimes twice a month as needed. And you explain the crime statistics in the precinct that you work in. And it's okay if your crime goes up as long as you have a good explanation for it. And this is how we're going to address it. And the precinct commanding officer is held accountable and me as the, the RIP Sergeant, which I was robbery investigation program was held accountable almost the same level as the precinct commander. And if I didn't know my robberies, like every single robbery that happened and explain what happened and explain what we're doing or a robbery condition or robberies took a spike in a certain area. But I would be eviscerated by, by the dais, by the executive staff of the NYPD. And this is in front of the whole world, not just Congress. And she has no answers. Mike. Billy, yeah, the fact that she has no answers. She's not given answers. She's not going to give them. And nobody believes. I don't think anyone on that panel in those Congressmen believe that she doesn't have the answers to those questions. And I think what's on their mind is why doesn't she, because it's, it's, it would be ridiculous. A rookie police officer would have more information in nine days than she has. So either a, she doesn't, she never got the information. She doesn't want to see it. She's not talking to the FBI. She's a total nincompoop. I don't believe that. I think she's a smart lady. She was worked in 20 for 20 years, at least in the secret service. And now she's in charge of secret service after coming from private security at PepsiCo, taking care of worldwide executives for this huge multinational corporation. I think she just doesn't want to give the answers. She knows what the answers are. And she's just, I think she's just running out the clock. And 60 days from now, 60 days from now, will be in a couple of weeks outside of the election. And nobody's going to remember what happened. It is going to be, oh, yeah, that was something happened a couple months ago. It's Friday afternoon, my more Labor Day weekend, they'll give the report, something like that. Right, exactly. Exactly. So people will be distracted with something else. And then they'll, they'll drop the report. It'll have all the inconsistencies or whatever. But a real quick point about CompStat. Bill, when you were up there, the bosses knew the stats. They had all the information. They kind of knew the answers ahead of time. Just like today, they knew the answers. And instead of her trying to give some type of a address of what took place and what they're going to do, she decided to say she didn't have an answer. So like you said, Billy, in CompStat and the NYPD, if you went up there and a lot of careers were broken in CompStat, you know, people are on the right track. They were moving up the ladder. All of a sudden, they went from Midtown Manhattan. They were working in either Rockaway or Staten Island, like you said, Billy. So I think that it's very clear what has to take place in this situation. I mean, this is a much bigger, much, much bigger. Like you said, the world is watching. The whole United States is watching. This is something that's very historic. And she gets up there and says, I don't have it in front of me. No good. No good. Yeah, I mean, I'm baffled by the answers. And it almost seems, you know, I'm hearing people looking at people, some of their comments in the chat. Handsome devil 13, Kim Cheetah was a former personal detail for Dr. Jill Biden, who got her this direct to position that there's a distinct possibility. Well, Pharaoh Gama was this operation programmed to fulfill you. It would seem that way. It would seem. And the fact that there's no answers doesn't give us any confidence. Has anyone ever not had enough information to answer a question? You know, Cheryl Peters, one of the things that all these Congress people and both sides of bipartisan Congress are saying, you've had nine days to prepare for this. You've had nine days to collect the information and to say you don't have the information in front of you. That's unacceptable. It's totally unacceptable. You have a staff, don't you? Director, don't you have a step? Yes, I do. Couldn't they have typed you 20 or 25 pages of everything we know at this point? And when we asked you a question, you could have an index and answer those questions. And the fact that you don't know it, you're either stonewalling or, you know, and as almost every congressman and Congresswoman said, you need to go. You're gone. You're toast. You're finished. She has a senior supervisor, an advanced team, a protective intelligence team, a counter sniper element and detail. Who was the agent in charge? How long has she been the agent in charge? And what is her secret service background? So I'm not going to provide a name. Why not? You're here to answer our questions forum. I'm not going to provide names of you stated in your testimony. You said, I am here today to answer your questions. That is correct. Answer the question. I'm not going to provide names of our personnel. Why not? Today. The American people are demanding these answers from you today, Ms. Cheetah. I will do the best to provide you accurate information based on the facts that I have at this time. You're not answering our questions. The advanced element coordinates with other Intel or law enforcement partners identifies threats and weaknesses at the sites and movements. We'd like a copy of the advanced report. Have you brought it here with you today? We will comply with the request for the documentation that has been requested. When will that be, Ms. Cheetah, because you should have brought it today? I am certain that our personnel are working on obtaining all of that document. I don't believe you. And neither do the people watching this hearing. You're not doing well as Mr. Moskowitz informed you. You've been sitting here for over three hours. And I have, you know, the entire country is demanding you resign and demanding that you be fired if you do not resign. Things are not going well for you. You need to answer the questions. Was there a protective intelligence team and what technical resources were utilized for that event specifically drone or helicopter assets? There were a number of technical assets that were deployed for that event, and there was a protective intelligence team that was assigned to that event. Why was Crooks able to fly a drone over the entire area of the day of the rally and the day of his assassination attempt? To my knowledge, he did not fly the drone over the entire area. How did he fly a drone over the area period? Any part of the area? Again, I would have to go back and check the timeline of when that took place and when the event. Why didn't you bring the timeline with you today to answer our questions? I don't have all of the answers on the timelines based on the criminal investigation. Were you not prepared today to answer our questions? I am prepared to answer the questions based on the information and wanted to be able to provide. Do you have a timeline that you do you have a timeline at all from from any of the day? I have a timeline that does not have specifics. That's shocking. That is absolutely unacceptable. That means you are a failure at your job. Let's talk about things that are prohibited in Trump rallies, and I've been to a lot of Trump rallies. Backpacks and bags, bicycles, firearms, any type of weapon or any other item determined to be a potential safety hazard like a range finder would be one. At 510 Crooks is first observed by one of the snipers, A.G.R. Sniper 1, as the building 510, 510 President Trump was shot in the face at 611 PM. 528 A.G.R. Sniper 1 takes a picture of a bicycle in two bags. Those belong to Crooks. 532 A.G.R. Sniper 1 spots Crooks looking at his phone and using a range finder. 555 Butler E.S.U. Command confirms receipt of photos and states they have been relayed on. 605 PM A.G.R. Sniper 1 later communicates that Crooks has seen moving northeast in direction of sheets and the Crooks has a backpack. Two minutes before the shooting, while President Trump has been allowed to take the stage, people see Crooks laying on his stomach in a sniper position on the roof and they're yelling he has a gun and they are trying to alert law enforcement and secret service. Why was Crooks not shot by the snipers? Why was he allowed to be there? As soon as the individual was identified as a threat, no, no, no, no, no. What do you consider to be a threat? A man with a gun laying in a sniper position. A man that had a backpack. A man that had a bicycle. A man that had a range finder. At what point is he determined a threat? An individual with a backpack is not a threat. An individual with a range finder is not a threat. What about a man laying on a building that has direct line of sight of President Trump with a gun that people are screaming and pointing out? Is that a threat, Ms. Cheetle? Once that individual was identified, they were neutralized. No, they were neutralized. Crooks was neutralized after he shot President Trump in the face, Ms. Cheetle. Is he only a threat once he fires the weapon? As soon as the counter sniper identified that individual, they were able to neutralize them. How were people in the crowd? Okay, then let's just take it this way. People under your command did not consider him to be a threat. Yet people in the crowd knew he had a gun and considered him to be a threat. That means that you are a complete failure as the director of the Secret Service, that people under your command don't perceive a man laying on a roof with direct line to the President. With a gun, they don't perceive that to be a threat, yet the people in the crowd do. How is that possible? That's the last question, but please answer the question, Ms. Director. I'm not certain at this time how the information from the people in the crowd was relayed to any law enforcement personnel. That was the biggest failure and we spoke about that before was the failure in communication. If the communication was in real time, we feel that it could have been a different story. But we can't, Monday morning quarterback, we're trying to learn the facts. And that's what this show was supposed to be about today, was supposed to be about communication. And on this, is it a failure in the messaging with the Secret Service so much more? Judy Powell, who our communications expert was on the show today, she was having internet problems, so she had to leave the show early. I'd love to have her back. She's a wealth of knowledge and a great, a great, a great lady. But is anyone else frustrated by watching this congressional hearing? Because it wasn't just, you know, a lot of times if you watch these congressional hearings, it can be very partisan. It can be the Democrats beating up the Republicans or the Republicans beating up the Democrats. And it gets to be theatrical almost. I call it theater. But today's presentation, it was bipartisan in nature. Both the Democrats and the Republicans were screaming out for her resignation. Every people in our government, both sides by partisan, are outraged at how and why this happened. Mike, your final thoughts. Final thoughts, Billy. Yeah, this is a total embarrassment. This is insanity. Everybody knows she's covering up. Everybody knows that she's hiding the facts. She knows a lot of this information. She doesn't want to give it out. She, for whatever reason, maybe she's been told not to, probably she's been told not to. She was a, she was a Secret Service agent for two decades. She knows how the agency operates. She's been promoted, unfortunately, to her level of incompetence. But they call it the Peter principle. And we are, unfortunately, as the body politic and, unfortunately, President Trump are the victim. And also, Corey Coppering Tory, David Dutch and James Copenhagen are all the real victims of her incompetence. And, you know, somebody's head has to roll for this. And that's really sad. The public knows it. But the government, faceless, nameless government, is just sitting behind the bureaucracy and the bureaucracy will not ever, ever take responsibility. You know, Mike, there is no way on Earth that she can lead after this. There's no way. Just think of all the Secret Service, the great Secret Service agents watching this with her 30 or 40 supporters behind her, probably high ranking Secret Service members. Just basically stone faced because I can imagine what's going through their minds too, as they listen to this, as this very proud agency that goes back, you know, to the Abraham Lincoln days, being just eviscerated by Congress in a bipartisan way. And yet, we all expect either A, to get fired or B, to resign. And the fact that this hasn't happened yet is also baffling to all of us, fill your final words. Final words, I just want to address a question in the chat. It was directed to you, Bill. It was Alan G. It says, "Do they have radios to talk to the Secret Service at the local level Sarge?" We talked about that. There's supposed to be communication. However, we don't think there was in this case. Mike mentioned the victim's quarry, compared to every 50 year old, shielding his family was killed. What a shame. I think that some of the people in Congress brought that up today. David Dutch, 57 years old, and James Copenhagen, 74 years old, both recovering in the hospital. I'm unfortunately disappointed about the fact that we didn't have more time with Judy Powell because she's a communications expert. I thought that's where we were going to go on this show. Unfortunately, she had some trouble with the internet, but I did learn a few things from her. I was never in the management level to get that type of training, but I think that she's a valuable asset for any police department law enforcement agency. So you don't have to go through the embarrassment that the Secret Service is going to right now. Some of it is warranted. There were some screw-ups, yes. But the lack of information, the lack of communication, I think is taking it to a whole new level. A lot of stain is going on the Secret Service because of what Kimberly Cheadle did today. I believe that's a far... Yes, Kimberly Cheadle, the Secret Service Director. She could have answered a lot of questions. She decided to answer none. Basically, she answered none. And it's unfortunate. Let's just hope and pray that there are no more fatalities going forward with this election. We need to bring the temperature down a little bit. I don't think that's happening quite yet, but hopefully we could get through it. The Secret Service, they're a law enforcement agency. We don't want to criticize them, but we did point out some of the mistakes that we believe were made. Communication is one of the biggest failures. God bless the families of the people that were killed and injured. We'll be reporting when more information comes forward, I'm sure. Absolutely. Pat Ryder, who's on the screen in this picture here, he understands the value and the importance of crisis communication as the police commissioner of Nassau County. We had him on the show last week with Edmund Hartnett and Phil Grimaldi was on the show also. And he fears that because of the temperature across the country, i.e. all of the riots and the protests across the college campuses in regards to Israel and Hamas, that this could potentially be a very violent political season going into November. And he's not wishing it, of course. He's just saying the temperature is up there and it reminds him of the 60s when we had all the campus unrest. And we're hoping and praying that they could put this together and get the Secret Service back on track as one of the greatest security forces in the world. And I'm sure many proud agents that are in the Secret Service, they're still proud of themselves and their job, and you saw how brave the guys were that immediately came to former President Trump saying and trying to save his life. And we don't mean to disparage them whatsoever, but this is a black eye and it can't be covered up. Billy, I got to make a quick correction. When I was given those 10 things that I talked about, I said that he purchased 308 rounds, that's the rounds that the sniper team used, the rounds that he probably purchased, I don't know for sure, but sounds like a 7.62 round. I wanted to just make that correction. Somebody brought it up in the chat. Yeah, absolutely. So folks, again, we'll try to have Judy Powell come back because, yeah, as we said, she had some internet problems tonight and she's a fantastic guest. But thank you so much. This is disturbing. I think for everyone, you see, I get a little riled up when I get a little, a little, a little disturbed at some of this stuff. But I think in watching those hearings today, I think it's upsetting to every single American that the whole world is watching. And we failed. We failed in protecting a former president. We failed in protecting the people that were at that rally. And there's no two ways about it. We have to do better than that. So folks, I'm Bill Cannon from Police Off The Cover Your Crime Series. On behalf of Professor Michael Geary, Detective Phil Gromaldi. Have a great night. Thanks for listening and God bless. See you for everyone.