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How was a 20 year old with an AR-15 able to shoot President Trump.

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Broadcast on:: 18 Jul 2024
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How does a 20 year old with an AR-15 able to shoot President Trump? #Trump #NassauPoliceCommissionerPatrickRyder #secretservice The recent shooting of former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally has raised serious questions about the security failures that enabled the attack. While there was significant Secret Service presence as well as local law enforcement on the scene, a gunman was able to get onto the roof of a building about 150 meters away from Trump and fire at both him and members of the crowd. That development has prompted concerns about missteps made by the Secret Service and gaps in the coverage provided for the former president at the event. “We are speaking of a failure,” Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas said in remarks about the attack. Scrutiny of what went wrong has spurred President Joe Biden to order an independent review of the issue. House Speaker Mike Johnson has called for one in the lower chamber as well. “The Secret Service is working with all involved Federal, state and local agencies to understand what happened, how it happened, and how we can prevent an incident like this from ever taking place again,” Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle said in a statement regarding the shooting, noting that the agency would be fully cooperative with these investigations. There’s still a lot we don’t know as these reviews get underway, but early reports reveal potential lapses in coordination among federal and regional law enforcement, and a limited security perimeter that could have played a role. 💯 Join our mission to uncover the truth in crime! Support Police Off the Cuff on Patreon for exclusive content and insider access. Click now and become a part of our detective squad: https://www.patreon.com/policeoffthecuff 💬 Did you like this video? Let me know in the comments below! ✅ Subscribe to Police off the Cuff right now! Click here: https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceofftheCuff?sub_confirmation=1 Or become a YouTube Member to get access to perks here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKo80Xa1PYTc23XN_Yjp8pA/join --------------- Welcome to the Official YouTube Channel of Police off the Cuff This is where the veil of mystery on high-profile cases is lifted through the sharp insights of seasoned law enforcement professionals and where real crime meets real analysis. This is your destination for exploring the complexities of true crime stories, illuminated by the rich experience and street wisdom of those who have walked the thin blue line. At the helm is retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a figure of authority in the crime investigation arena, with a diverse background that spans across acting, broadcasting, and academia. Bill's profound knowledge and keen analytical skills, combined with his empathetic approach, make each story not just heard but felt. Phil's extensive investigative experience, coupled with his genuine passion and characteristic Brooklyn charm, adds depth and relatability to the discussions. ➡️ Here we navigate the intricate web of the nation's most captivating crime stories, offering not just stories, but an education on the realities of criminal investigation. Their combined expertise provides a unique lens through which the stories are told, offering insights that only those with firsthand experience can provide. Join us on this journey into the heart of true crime, where every episode promises a deep dive into the minds of criminals and the tireless efforts of law enforcement to bring them to justice. --------------- 📲 Follow Police off the Cuff on social media: Instagram ▶️ https://www.instagram.com/policeoffthecuff Facebook ▶️ https://www.facebook.com/Policeoffthecuff-312794509230136/ Twitter ▶️ https://twitter.com/policeoffthecuf 🎧 Dive deep into true crime with Police Off the Cuff Podcast. Join retired NYPD expert Bill Cannon as he dissects infamous cases with insider insight: https://anchor.fm/otcpod1 ☑️ Support Police Off the Cuff and help us bring you more captivating crime stories. Every contribution makes a difference! Choose your preferred way to donate: Venmo: https://venmo.com/William-Cannon-27 PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/policeoffthecuff1gma --------------- 📚 Disclaimer: This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. --------------- #PoliceOffTheCuff

(upbeat music) - Hello everyone and welcome to police off the cuff, real crime stories. I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27 year veteran of the NYPD. Folks, there's so many questions that need to be answered about, of course, the attempted assassination on President, former President Trump. And it doesn't seem like many people from law enforcement have gotten out in front of this and said, this is what went wrong. Instead, we're here in the CNNs, the MSNBCs and all these talking heads. And that's what we as citizens do not wanna hear it from them. We wanna hear it from the professionals that were boots on the ground, that no, something got screwed up. Something went really, really wrong. And till we hear that, all this conjecture and all of these people saying, oh, I wonder what happened, there's a second shooter, there's a third shooter, I ran threaten Trump. We're not getting it from the horse's mouth. So it's really unsettling to not hear about it from all government officials. But tonight, we're gonna break this down. And I have two outstanding guests and one co-host, but the outstanding guests are real superstars in the law enforcement community. And I'm gonna introduce them right after I play the intro theme to police off the cuff. So hold on to your hats, hold on to your toupee, hold on to your service dog, hold on to your wife, hold on to your loved ones. You're about to enter true crime from a police perspective. You're about to enter the off the cuff zone, the police off the cuff zone. (suspenseful music) That's using common sense. - Yes sir, the other car has stopped in town and crashed by the driver. - We still don't know before the trailer. (suspenseful music) (suspenseful music) - Joining me tonight as my co-host is retired NYPD detective. Also worked in the intel division so he knows a little bit about security and working with the Secret Service and the FBI and the federal units. Welcome to the show, retired detective Phil Grimaldi. Welcome Phil. - Thank you Billy and thank you for having me. - I'm so excited about our next two guests. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna go left to right because they're both heavyweights and one might get pissed off that I didn't put him first and the other second, but they're equal in my mind. And the first is retired Yonkers. That's an area north of New York City. Some people call it Yonkers. Yonkers police commission and former NYPD chief. Good friend of mine, welcome to the show. Edmund Hotmet, Eddie, welcome to the show. - Thank you Bill, good seeing you again Phil. Thanks for having us. - And the second outstanding guest we have is the current Nassau County Police Commissioner. Just recently had a huge successful large event in Eisenhower Park in Nassau County, the World Cricket Championships, nine days, terrorist threats and without an innocent incident. Without an innocent incident, I can't even talk, without an incident in nine days. Welcome to the show, Nassau PC, Patrick Ryder. - Thank you guys, thanks for having me on. - Pat, so welcome to the show. Let's get right into this. Now obviously many things went wrong here, many things. And when we look at the, and I'll put the thumbnail up so you can show you guys can show that you do own suits. But there we are, this is the playing field here, basically, right? And we could see for the right where Trump was on the stage, that building where the Secret Service snipers were and the shooter's location. Now, Commissioner Ryder, what? How would you police this? How would you secure this? How do you make sure it's secured? And no one gets in that is a threat to the former president of the United States. - You gotta remember everything, and you gentlemen all know it. Everything is done in layers, right? We start with our hot zone, the hot area. That's where the president is gonna be, where he's got a place that we can secure him, a hard room to get him off the set in a hurry. And in this case, in an open field, it's his vehicle, right? But, and then you see the counter snipers behind him. They're overlooking like what he sees, they see. That's usually where your sniper will come from in front of where the president is. Then you have your inner perimeter. That's where everybody enters that inner perimeter. We'll be scanned, we'll go through the mags, we'll be doing a physical check. We did a cricket, we didn't even allow bags inside the inner perimeter. And then you have the outer perimeter. And that outer perimeter, that one that is out there where this building should have been inside that outer perimeter. And it should have been secured from the rooftop, not from the ground, but from the rooftop. You don't give away the height advantage to the bad guy and not take another height advantage to yourself. So they should have been on top of that roof at that time. And then probably the biggest failure in what should have been his communication. And we see it all the time. You know, on different frequencies, you have different tactical frequencies. But if somebody says the word done, that president is off that stage, he's in the back, inside the car where it's secure. And then we'll wait until it all clears. And then you get back into the business of the rally. So there should have been a lot of working partners together. And you do have small local police departments up there. You have the Secret Service, it is their responsibility and solely their responsibility for the safety of that president. That asset is theirs. They gotta make sure they get them in and they get them out. And every other plan that goes on, they oversee and make sure it's done correctly. - Great, Eddie Commissioner Hartnett, he just the shooter, he came in there with, well, I think called the rangefinder, which is known to give a shooter the distance that he's gonna have to shoot from. Wouldn't that have raised up a sharp cop like, wait a minute, what's this guy bringing a rangefinder in to a rally where the former president has given a speech? - Yeah, I mean, not to be flipped, but you know, the only place a rangefinder should be in a field like that is if a guy's playing golf. - Something like that. - That's cheating too if you use one of those playing golf. - As we say, a police work, that's a clue. So yeah, something like that should have been immediately addressed in some way. And as we said, let me just preface this by saying, I was commanding also the intelligence division on white PD from 2000 to 2002. So that was before on and after 9/11. And we worked a lot with the Secret Service. And I have to say, not to sound self-serving, they were outstanding to work with. - Absolutely outstanding, totally professional, very thorough, they didn't come in and bully us. Well, it's hard to come in and bully on white PD, but they worked with us as partners and invited us to their meetings. They accepted our input, we were treated as equals. It's different when they go to a place like Butler, Pennsylvania. They probably have to deal with five or six small police departments trying to get everybody together. They gotta be sure they're all okay. To Pat's point before about communication, probably difficult. There's clearly mistakes made, but I did want to preface it by saying that most of the time they get the job done, and it's evidenced by, that hasn't been a shot taken at anybody in like 40 years or something. But however, I think one of the glaring things I see here, post-incident, is there hasn't been a briefing. You know, they're putting out snippets of this, that some room is getting out, there's some leaks getting out, and Pat knows better than me, you gotta get out in front of an incident. If you got a bad shooter, your police chief is your commissioner somewhere, your sheriff, you gotta ban shooting with some incident that's causing some unrest, you gotta own it, you gotta get out in front of it right away. And now that this is lingered for three and four days, and maybe there's a congressional hearing coming up, it just festers, and the conspiracy theories start to grow, and now people are saying, what's going on, what are they hiding from us? And that's a really, really bad place to be in law enforcement. - 100%. I want to play this on the screen. We're gonna see John Miller talk about this rangefinder that he had. - And he shows how a gunman-eating security shot former President Donald Trump's Saturday, law enforcement officials say he'd asked for the day off work. He came to the rally with a rangefinder. - It's a voice that looks like a small pair of binoculars, but it's used by shooters to measure the distance when they're setting up a long distance shot. - It's not a weapon, so security let him through. - But they did flag, what does he have this in his hand for? Investigators say there would be a assassin then exited the secured area. They're not sure where he went, but they think he got a rifle from his car. Climbing out an air conditioning, you did is likely how he got on a roof outside the perimeter. That's according to a senior federal law enforcement official. - He's taking the rangefinder, and he's looking through it at the counter sniper positions. And one of the counter sniper positions is looking at him through the scope. At this point, there's not a gun in the picture, as I understand it, but they're saying he's looking at us, looking at him. - Another official says that's about when witnesses saw him in alerted police. Video analysis shows the shooting started about two minutes later. - I went there to have a nice time with my family, and then the unthinkable happened due to a complete breach and lapse of security. - I may be kindly reporting. - So, Phil, I wanna ask you this question. - Yes, sir. - You would have been the guy who stopped this guy and found that he had a rangefinder on him. Would you have lost sight of him? - Absolutely. - Is that it, Phil? That's the question? - Yeah, I'm asking you the question. Would you have lost sight of him or would you have him flagged? - Absolutely not. A rangefinder is exactly what John Miller said. It's showing the distance. If you wanna take a shot of the target, use for hunting, chief hotnet said, maybe engulfing and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, why is he coming into a secure perimeter with that thing? I wanna know why. I'm gonna talk to him, I'm gonna hold him. I don't think I'm gonna let him out of my sight. And with regard to some of the things that both the commissioner and the chief said, I have to agree 100%. The messaging on this does not look good at all. You needed to get out in front of this. They needed to come with some kind of a better press conference, give a little bit more information because what happens? It's exactly what the chief said. The conspiracy theory starts, you know, we're not stupid. We saw this from many different angles. We saw the videos of the people that were in the crowd alerting the police officers to someone on a roof. And at one point they even say, he's got a gun. He's got a gun. Now we also know that 30 minutes prior, a picture was circulated of this guy because they did lose him. They took a picture of him and they lost him. Now I don't wanna attack any other police agency, law enforcement agency, but as chief hotnet said, I worked with the Secret Service on numerous details. They are just very, very good at what they do. We took the dignitary protection training that I took is the same training that they have. And I think Commissioner Ryder brought it up. He said that when you hear the word gun or there's an attack on your principle, you need to cover and evacuate. It doesn't seem like they evacuated in a timely fashion to me. And I can remember from my training, you pick up the principle that would be the president by his belt or by his waist and you get him out of it. You cover him and you get him out of there. If you look at the Reagan shooting from many years ago, he was out of there in mere seconds. And I think it was Commissioner Ryder that said, the safe room, the hard room. The hard room is the vehicle. The vehicle, they could have evacuated him to the vehicle. Once he got in the vehicle, the vehicle didn't take off for an extended period of time. If there was a second shooter, this would have been much different outcome. That's what I feel about the whole situation. - You know, Commissioner Ryder, how about talk to our audience about the duties and responsibilities of the advanced team so that things like this don't, I mean, this should have been all scoped out prior to them setting up. - Absolutely. And you have dry runs so you can go through it. You know, tabletop exercises to make sure you got it right. That's not a difficult environment. That's the killer of this thing. It's an open field and it's got four or five buildings. Well, it's a simple thing to cover all four or five buildings. You have the ability of using drones. You have aviation bureau. You have your pre surveillance work that you do. You have your own people to put your snipers up there. You spread them out and you make sure you've got everything covered every angle. And then you talk it out and you make sure again. And so when we did the cricket, we went through it several times for several months. And the day of we realized there was one rooftop that was actually overlooking our police officers to get the stands, to get the fans, and to get the people walking down Charles Limber Boulevard. We had an area where there was 300 cops that would meet every morning. And they would get their turnout notes and go to their posts. But overlooking that was a building across the street. That morning, we put some people on that roof and every single game after that, they stayed on that roof because we also have to protect our own people. So a lot of work gets done in the pre surveillance work and the hot washes and stuff that you do, that you try to learn from your mistakes. History repeats itself. Listen, you're looking at like JFK and waiting for a Zopruda film to be produced, right? There's a shooter on a rooftop that has a high advantage that took a shot at the president of the United States. That's a problem. And there's got to be answers. And the answers have got to come out now. Just as Eddie said, you can't sit on this because now the conspiracies are all starting. I listened to them in my own place of work and people talking, well, why wasn't this done? Why wasn't that done? A lot of mistakes are made. They're great people. They're all in that law enforcement family of ours. We don't want to be critical, but we do have to learn. That's the hard part about it. Everything's a teaching moment that we get better for the next time. - Absolutely. Commissioner Hartnett, there was a huge problem here with communication. And one of the problems maybe is that the Secret Service doesn't want to give maybe their radios up to the small police departments. The way to solve that is to have a Secret Service agents with the police that are covering some of these spots. So, 'cause they are full two minutes. They saw this guy up on the roof and they're yelling, gun, gun, gun. If that could have got directly to the snipers, perhaps, and also for Secret Service on the stage to get the president, the hell off the stage. Get him out of there. There's a guy on the roof with a gun, a full two minutes. That is a horrendous failure of communication. - Yeah, and I'd like to think, you know, in this day and age, I mean, Pat knows as well, the radio technology that's out there now, throughout the country, the interoperability, as they call it, where you can just change the channel and talk to somebody from the adjoining police department or a federal agency. But I'd like to think, and I'm hoping that they all did have the same frequency. They were on the same frequency. But I think the communication breakdown is more about, like, we go back to the rooftop. And again, now it's coming out, again, maybe it's a rumor, but now it's coming out that they didn't want to put anybody up there because of the roof was sloped. But, you know, it's not sloped that badly. And the counter sniper team run a roof that had even deeper sloped. So that's not gonna hold water. But, you know, there's simple solutions. Again, Monday morning quarterback and it's easy for me to say it, but simple solutions like that are, there's those moveable skywalk towers, I recall. You roll 'em in on a trailer, you put 'em up. They're like a little pill box on a tower. Something like that, right in front of that roof, you could put a counter sniper team in there. There's cameras in there. There's bulletproof glass in there. It's a perfect thing to put in front of something that might be vulnerable to your site and to your perspective. So, again, easy for me to say it now, but something like that probably should have been thought of in the pre-meetings. And speaking of pre-meetings, again, they're very thorough. Whenever we had the president or the pope or the Israeli prime minister or any of these other people come in and also unpopular dictators from around the world were coming to town. And we know there's a lot of people who wanna kill them. We would have meeting after meeting after meeting to go over everything, add Nozio. And I'm sure there was meetings going on about this. And this stuff about, they asked for more detail and they didn't get that. So, again, rumor, who knows, but I'm not sure how big that detail was. Seems like there was a lot of people. And I have to commend, even though it was a little sloppy, I have to commend the people that did jump on President Trump and get him out of there, you know, obviously, I would like to see him get him out a little quicker. But, you know, he can't deny the response and the heroism of those young men and that one woman that jumped in there. I mean, without even thinking about it. So, my hat's off to them, but again, there's a lot of questions. And one more thing, I know I'm going out here a bit. We talked about how we learn from our mistakes. The bad guys learn from our mistakes. We talk about the second shooter. Bad guys look at this and they say, look what happened. And look at the delay. Let's make the first shooter like a suicide guy and let him go down. Let him get the diversion for the real attack. So, that's the kind of thing that they study all the time. So, they'll be watching this and they'll be watching these future sites and events. - Well, you know, Commissioner Hartnett, no doubt, these guys were very brave and they're willing to lay down their life to protect a president or a former president. And, but it did appear pretty sloppy because he, as you say, if there was a second shooter, Trump was a dead man, because he was exposed to the crowd for, you know, even if it was just a few seconds, it was much too long. Phil, your thoughts? - Yeah, I think that Commissioner Hartnett said it exactly right, that they do deserve props that they put their bodies on top of his. However, they didn't get them out of there quick as we would have liked. But I did remember hearing in the first day that this happened, there was communication, you could hear one of the agents saying, shoot us down, shoot us down. So that may be why they took a little bit longer. But again, secondary shooter, very, very dangerous. I have a feeling, 'cause I know from previous experience, there was a site survey done at this location. Perhaps there's a picture of that, like from the sky of that building where they may have it marked off that that should have been covered. And for whatever reason, I think she was thrown into the local law enforcement. I saw a local police officer today, a sheriff, I believe it was saying that we only had traffic detail in the area. So she, when I say she, it was the head of the Secret Service, Cheetah. She was saying that law enforcement, local law enforcement was supposed to be covering that building, they decided to do inside the building because of the slope. But that pitch you have on the screen right there, Bill, you can see, that's almost a flat roof. That's a very small pitch on that roof. However, when you look at the building where the snipers were, the red building, right underneath the American flag, the pitch was much higher and the snipers were there and thank God they were able to take the shooter out when they did. And obviously, there was a fatality, Corey, Competory, and there were two other people shot, David Dutch and James Copenhagen. Just a shame that anyone else had to lose their life over this or be injured. I just feel like I'm sure that somewhere in the planning, this building was mocked off that it should have been covered. How it wasn't is, I guess, going to be determined. But I would like to see what that investigation reveals. The site survey, the advanced team, they had to see that building and they had to realize that that was a vulnerability and it's not covered. We talked about the circles. In a perimeter, yada perimeter, that was right in there. I mean, like they said, it was a cheap shot, an easy shot for someone with that type of rifle that had a little bit of experience. There was talk that he was on the shooting team but he didn't make it or whatever. But he obviously knew how to use the rifle and very lucky for us that President Trump, former President Trump turned his head when he did or else we'd be looking at a much different picture. This is from Lauren crime. I just want to play a little bit of this. It is a horrifying and tragic crime that will go down in American history. The apparent attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump that left one dead two injured. What we know about this reported shooter and how on earth could this have happened? We bring out law enforcement expert and former sheriff's deputy and SWAT team member Chad Ayers. Welcome to side guard, presented by Lauren crime. I'm Jesse Webber. - My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laughing me to this day. - Not everyone gets B2B. But with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a $100 credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. - Take a look at that. So that arrow is the lowest amount of the legal immigration ever in recorded history into our country. And then the worst president in the history of our country took over. And look what happened to our country. Probably 20 million people. And you know, that's a little bit old, that charts a couple of months old. And if you wanna really see something that said, "Take a look at what happens." (crowd cheering) - Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. (crowd cheering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) (crowd chattering) - You know, obviously we can all, I mean, it gives you the chills, just watching that, you know, to see what happened. And we realize all of us police, we realize how fast things happen. And the media can, they can criticize anyone, 'cause they don't know shit about police work. But look how, even you heard the shots, it was over in a matter of seconds, right? And really what happened before this is really the real story that allowed this to happen. Commissioner Ryder, what are your thoughts? - You know, when you look at that, and you get in the brave men and women of the secret service, diving on top of how fast they got in there to cover him up, they didn't move him right away. People have criticized him, why didn't they move him right away? You don't know what's being said to them in their ear. You know, and one point I heard the shooter is down, and then at that point they wanted to move. You gotta also remember, this is President Donald Trump. He's not gonna let anybody dictate to him how he's gonna move him when he's gonna move. And he makes it, he saw him, he stood up because, wait, wait, wait, and he wanted to scream to the crowd. And I gotta tell you, I watched it live. I was in the back room of my wife. As soon as the shot ran out and I saw him grab his ear, I started to scream at the TV because it was like, damn, they got him, they shot the President. And because he knew the sounds, we know the business, and he was at that spot in his speech. And it was like, it was, but it was so moving and powerful. When he got up and he pumped his fist in the air, and he screamed and the crowd roared. But the sad part is, there was another man that was already lying there dead and had been shot in two others that had been wounded. And that kind of got lost in the message. You know, you know, I just want to step back for a second. You know, they talked about communications. That's why we have jocks, right, in joint operation centers. If I'm in there, my guy's telling me one thing in my ear, I'm telling the guy from the Secret Service, hey, my guy's got a guy on the roof. He's got a guy with a gun. So that should be flowing seamlessly. We've learned too much, so much. Not enough, probably, but so much since 9/11 about communications and the way we should operate. Right, because we do get better at it. But again, somebody didn't do their job or follow through in their responsibility. The crap about the roof is too slanted. I was a SWAT guy for 10 years. I wasn't a sniper, but I was a spy. And when you went up on a roof, before you knew where you were going to be for the evening or the afternoon, you built the platform. You made a portable platform that you would put on that roof and make yourself as comfortable as you need to be, because you're going to be lying down for two, three, maybe four hours. So they should have no excuse why that roof wasn't covered. And the fact that the roof was slanted, she just making that stuff up. Yeah, you know, one of the things that we're hearing now, and as Eddie, you said, Commissioner Hartman and Commissioner Ryder and Detective Gromaldi, we're hearing now that, you know, the shooter was pointed out to the local police and one of them actually went up on the roof to confront them and a guy stuck an A or a 15 in his face and he retreated. And, you know, and that guy's being criticized really. What would you do if someone stuck an A or a 15 in your face and you didn't have your gun out, you know, to confront them? Obviously, you're going to retreat. But that was known and we're also hearing unconfirmed reports that a local cop took a shot at him. Why isn't anyone confirming that? And telling us that rather than hearing from these communists from MSNBC and CNN hitting third and fourth hand, why aren't we having a government official tell us this is the whole timeline? This is actually what happened. Instead of all these really talking heads that are just conjecturing what happened, let's have the real players tell us what happened through their boss and Eddie, it's not happening. Your thoughts? Yeah, I'd like to think that the Secret Service Director would like to get out in front of this. But clearly she reports to somebody else. I don't want to get political here, but I think she's being told, "Hold off on the briefing. We'll tell you when to do the briefing." There are some that say that she should do the briefing anyway and let the chip forward they may. You know, there's others that are calling for her to be fired. You know what? I mean, Pat can identify with this. You know, I ran a good-sized police department for five years. There's several times people in the meeting were saying, "Fire hot in it." You know what? Relax. We got through it. I survived that. I'm sure Pat has had some scrapes like that. So I say that all those folks that are screaming for her head, "Let's get the story." She may wind up going on a global issue or being thrown out or whatever, but let's hear what she has to say. Give it a better for the doubt. There's a lot of criticism here. Much of it warranted, I think. And just on a side note, as to your point, Bill, you said the former president is a very forceful individual, very dynamic individual, and he had the presence of mind, which freaks me out sometimes. He had the presence of mind to see this as a moment. He doesn't know if he's got half his head hanging off, but he says, "Let me get my shoes." And then he's thinking, "I'm going to do something." Again, he made it political, but he said, "I'm going to take advantage of this opportunity." So that kind of presence of mind. He had the presence of mind to say, "I'm going to make this a political moment." And listen, he was delaying them getting him off the damn stage, but when he said, "Let me get my shoes." You know, Phil, you know from our training, when you do a dignitary protection detail, you're jacking this open and you wear shoes with laces in them. You've got to tell the former president you can't wear slip-ons anymore. No more slip-ons, Dan. You're right. But then his shoes are probably like $1,000 a pair. You know, a lot of people do. It's probably like $1,000 a pair. You know, a lot is just the time. The top-again special. Let me add one piece to that. And a point that's important about this messaging, getting it out there. You guys remember a while back over several months ago, we had ran over the transgender with a gun in the middle of the street. Instead of shooting the transgender person, we ran the mobile. We made a choice. We made a decision that it was too dangerous to fire. So he decided to get in the car, hit him in the rear end and knock him down. And then we made the arrest. I went, got on the phone with my county executive, Bruce Blakeman at the time, and I said, "Plus, we got to put this to bed right now, right now. It's going to be too big of a story tomorrow." And he goes, "Do it. Get on the news. Kill the story." We got on the news. We gave our events of what happened. And by the time that was done, that story was dead the next day. The video went viral all around the world, but the fact that what we did, nobody came back. There was no more second questions. Put it to bed. We follow procedures. It's over. Sometimes you've got to take the risk to stick up via people. She, in this case, probably don't even know who her people are. She's not from the secret service world. She's a politically appointed physician. And many of us are, but sometimes you're in there to protect your people. She should be coming out and telling her, "Hey, factually, this is what happened. This is why it happened, and as a mistake, I'm going to get to the bottom of it, and I'm going to make sure that it doesn't happen again." And there will be prices to pay heads to roll. But that's it. Then you put it to bed. But you let it fester. The next day, it becomes another story and another, and then if conspiracy people start taking off. There would be a lot less criticism of the Director of Secret Service, had she messaged better, 100 percent. Yeah, I think that, you know, that-- In Buffalo recently, I was just up in Buffalo at the New York State Chiefs Association Conference. And last week, there was a shooting up there, and on the surface, it sounded terrible. It was a car stop. A guy was reluctant to give his information. The car door's open. The officer's there. There's a six-year-old sitting in the front seat next to the driver. The guy hits the gas, takes it off, starts dragging the cop. Now, this cop is being dragged. He's going to get killed if he gets dragged any further. He takes out his gun and shoots the driver and kills him. So, on one hand, you've got people saying he saved the six-year-olds. Other people are saying how reckless it was that he was firing and going into a car with a six-year-old in it. The police commissioner there got out in front of it the very next day, and he backed up his cop. And we'll know sometimes the cop's a big mistake. He backed up his cop, and he put it to rest. At the very next day. And again, contrary to what's going on now with this comp incident. You know, Eddie, I think that the NYPD and Nassau County, they do that probably better than almost any other department, because they understand how important the messaging is. Whenever there's a shooting, the NYPD goes out there with all the top chiefs and they tell them what they know at that point and let them know that this is subject to change because it's, you know, investigation takes time. These are the preliminary things we know right now. But at least the public sees that, look, they're not trying to pull a wall over our eyes, which, you know, can happen. And also, if you let the news run with it with just preliminary information, and you know, we all know how fast the news wants information, whether it's accurate or inaccurate, they just want it fast, you know. And, you know, I don't know how many times I've said that when I wrote both these reports, when I was in Manhattan, North homicide squad, if you want accurate information, you're going to have to wait. If you want it fast, I'll tell you, but it's not going to be accurate. So you're going to have to wait. They didn't like that. You know, the chief wants to know now. I'll tell the chief, I can't invent stuff to let him know right now, you know. Yeah, it's a, it's a, I have a friend and colleague, Judy Powell. You might have heard of her. She's a brilliant communications expert. And she basically, in some of the projects we've done, sits down with the chief or the sheriff, holds their hand and tells them what to say, how to say, when to say it. And people like her should be used a lot more often. I'm not doing the commercial for Judy. I don't get paid. But, but, but she's, she's excellent this and getting, she's big town, big town, small town, whatever. She's, she's a communications person that tells a chief, you know, how to get this, how to get this, how to get this out, how to get them as they're clearly and concisely and calm things down. You know, we're now moving to the, I want to play this video here because, like a lot of large incidents in you, especially like the Boston Marathon bombing, they requested folks to hand in, you know, video from their cell phones. And they're getting a lot of that now. And we're seeing actually how much in advance they knew about this guy. And it was, it's, it's really hard almost to understand. But the communication was quite, quite tall. We'll put it that way. It says his perspective. Well, the man who captured images of that suspected gunman on the roof that day says he believes law enforcement could have done more to stop that deadly shooting his thoughts as he describes to me what he saw that day. There are images that won't soon be forgotten. Suspected killer, 20 year old Thomas Crooks on the roof of a building, taking aim. When I seen him holding the gun like he was taking aim, I thought, Oh my God, this guy's about to shoot into the crowd or something. So I turned my phone on. Mike the Frischip said he started recording on his cell phone. The still photo grabbed from that video. Yeah, we had just got there a little bit late and his wife Amber live in Crawford County, Pennsylvania. They were at the Trump rally in Butler Saturday. They arrived late. So they sat outside of the secured area near the building where Crooks waited. We were there maybe 10 minutes waiting for Mr. Trump to come on. And then after he came on and started to speak, my wife shortly after he started nudged me and said, Hey, what's going on behind us. And that's when we noticed some commotion. The Frischip said he noticed Crooks crying in the roof, then noticed he had a gun. They tried alerting police, then took cover. They tried to feel like I could see the guy with my eyes. I knew where he was at. I got me and my wife behind a big tree. And I felt that we were saved. And you see the gun, you're like, Oh my God, we have to hide. But there's nowhere to hide. There was a couple of trees to hide behind. So you didn't know whether to hit the deck or run or just stand still. It was it's very chaotic in them split seconds. You want to really see something that I picked on fire. A bullet grazed the former president to Mr. Trump narrowly escaping a more serious possibly even fatal blow. But one man in the crowd is killed. Two others wounded. Secret Service snipers take down Crooks killing him. It was devastating to us. I mean, to know that we watched a guy shoot somebody and also even the shooter. I mean, we watched him get shot right in front of us. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen the aftermath. A couple believing something more could have been done to prevent the tragic shooting, talking now about who, besides the shooter, should be held accountable. People are trying to say the local cops and this and that might not have done their job. And in my opinion, and I haven't put this out anywhere else besides now, now that it's been a couple of days we're processing some of this. You know, it's Secret Service's job to keep terror of the president. Well, after what happened, Mrs. Defricious says she doesn't believe that she will be going to any more rallies. But her husband says he will believe in what happened was an isolated event. So, pretty amazing. Some of that, the video we're seeing from people's cameras and, you know, the crowd saw him before the police did. Now, what we're hearing, and this is also not coming from a confirmed source, that it was at least two minutes before the shooting started, that he was spotted climbing up to the roof. And then people were yelling, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. I mean, you know, you can't, you can't see that as anything but a huge, huge mistake. Phil. Yeah, Billy, when you talked about the officer went up on the roof when he was alerted that there was someone on the roof, I believe he was propped up by another police officer. So he had both hands on the roof, he was peeking over when he saw the shooter to shoot a turn and pointed the gun at him. He obviously jumped down, he wasn't able to get his firearm, he took cover, and by that time the shooting had already started. One other thing I wanted to talk about real quick, I just read this was on the BBC Internet. They said that he did at least one recon in a location, he had been at that location at least one time prior to the day of the shooting. So it looks like he had this plan, this is what he wanted to do. He also from his phone, they said he recently right before the shooting downloaded pictures of both President Biden and former President Trump. So he had an ideology, it sounds like that he wanted to do this. There was also a search for some type of depression that he put in there on his phone, I guess. So I guess we're getting a profile now, a loner, he was very, very to himself, picked on bullied, but he went to the shooting team is what we're reading about and he didn't make the shooting team. One of his classmates said he didn't make the team, not even JV, another one said he was a terrible shot. So I guess that's the profile that we're starting to come up with. I guess once the investigation is fully done, we'll get a better idea. And again, the messaging by Director Tito, it could be a lot better, and I think that there would be a lot less criticism of how if there was that messaging, there should be the local police too, messaging should be better. They should be together, they should be on that stage together, talking about it, giving updates. Any kind of major incidents bill you pointed out in the NYPD, they get right in there, they give you a press conference, they give you updates and the days following. I remember the thing, the incident on the train with a guy shot about 10 or 12 people, they were given, you know, almost hourly updates on that. And I think that messaging would have served them much better, maybe less criticism and then the conspiracy theories would be cut back as well. So we go right now from the security end of this to the investigative end of this, which is so, so, so important. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man, then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friend still laughing at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get a hundred dollar credit on your next ad campaign. Go to LinkedIn.com/results to claim your credit. That's LinkedIn.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. And this is being, of course, it's being handled by the FBI. And we actually do need just one organization handling this investigation. If you have too many, it's going to just, they're going to get in each other's way. Pat, what's your experience with a large-scale investigation like this? You want to talk about it to our audience? First of all, there has to be transparency from everybody. Gathering all those phones is going to give you every single angle imaginable that people are taking video from and speaking to all those witnesses. Then you're going to get internally. You're going to start speaking to those commanders or who's in charge of that and who had the responsibility. Let's see the TAC plan. Tell me exactly the operation. What was the frequency looking? What's the communication? Let's start breaking it all down. Somebody you're going to find, in my opinion, you're going to find that the people that were supposed to be there were not covering their posts. But then there's going to be finger pointing. That was their job. That was their job. And somebody, there's no way that she could service whatever allowed the president to go there and that rooftop not be covered. It's a chip shot. Listen, I told you, I was not a sniper, but just two months ago, I fired a new sniper rifle that we had purchased in the county. It was 25 snipers, probably the best in the country. They trained with the military all the time. Me, the guy that doesn't shoot these weapons, I got behind it and I hit the size of a nickel from 200 yards. This is 130 yards. When a kid that shot before, and if you heard before what Phil just talked about, he just gave it a profile of every active shooter in America. Everything he talked about is exactly the keyboard, the other guy that was the shooter that time, the first real school shooting that we had. That was exactly that. They were bullied. They were oxen. They were loners. They tried out the things. They weren't accepted. You're painting the picture of that. So that world of intelligence to get out in front of it, you got to target, you got somebody in your community. You think could be a problem and you don't have eyes on him. Well, there's another responsibility. Who was responsible for that? So at the end of the day, it's going to be a long thorough investigation. They will take their time to the FBI. You will probably won't hear from it for months. And by that time, there'll be a new president elected and it'll probably just go by the way side. And that's probably what they want to happen, that it just gets varied. That's usually what does happen in these types of stories. We never really get to the bottom of who did what, but it will be a thorough investigation. That's the FBI's way, but they will be slow. They will be methodical. They will drill down and pull every piece of grass out of that field. If that's what it takes to get to get the results that they're looking for. Absolutely. You know, Eddie, one of the things we found out also through this investigation was, A, the gun belonged to his father, an AR-15-type light gun. That's what they're saying. He had told his father he wanted to go to the range. He went and bought 50 rounds to go allegedly go shooting at the range. Of course, that was not his motive. But he also had sort of a crude improvised explosive device inside his car with a remote control. Now, that could have been something to create a diversion to, you know, so maybe he could escape, which obviously we know didn't happen. But we'd also like to know, how did he learn how to do that? And lots of times, the signatures of bombs lead to others that may have helped him. And I'm not saying he was helped. And I'm not saying he was a lone wolf. The investigation will determine that. But that's a little disturbing. It goes, of course, the premeditation that he had these improvised explosive devices, both in his car and they found one in his house also. Yeah, and you don't know, listen, you don't know enough about the parents to be overly critical of them, but who knows what kind of setup there is in the house, but he's got bomb making materials in his car and in the house somewhere. They're going to look, obviously, in the technology side. The FBI is going to look at his online footprint, not just social media, but what kind of site was he visiting? Was he visiting any, you know, Islamist terrorist sites or just regular bomb making stuff? I'd be fascinated by the technology aspect of this investigation. I want to know the last several weeks of where this guy was. So they can, as you guys will know, they can track license plate readers. So every time, even though it's a rural area, there's some license plate readers out there somewhere. How many times did his car pass by to Phil's point? How many times did he visit this site? They'll pick up on his car coming and going, things like that. Also his cell phone. His cell phone will ping. So I want to know where his cell phone was pinging the last several, maybe a couple of weeks of leading up to this thing. And if they see his cell phone is pinging at the same location, like several times for this incident, then maybe there is a conspiracy. Maybe there's part of this in that particular house. And these guys are not that savvy sometimes. So they'll show that that thing will show that he's been going to the same house several times leading up to this shooting. So maybe there is a conspiracy. Right now he does look like a lone wolf. But I want to know exactly where this guy was the three or four weeks before this incident. I mean, I would like to know also how he learned how to make that improvised explosive device. And they say that actually you can go online and learn how to do that. I don't know that for a fact. But they say that. But you know, that's a disturbing thing that he knew how to make this device, Phil. Yeah, Billy, I believe there was a photo of his cell phone and what looked like a keypad for garage door open something it looks something similar to that. And as you said, perhaps there was an explosive device improvised in his vehicle that maybe he was going to create the diversion to escape after shooting the president to form a President Donald Trump, or maybe to ignite that explosion. And then that's a diversion and then fired the shots. Whatever it was he didn't get to do it. Apparently that officer that jumped up onto the roof. That startled him. He pointed the gun at the office of the officer went back down. He immediately turned around and started shooting shooting. So I guess the investigation is really going to have to be exactly what Commissioner Hott said. Hott said they're going to have to look into his cell phone. They're going to look into his computer whatever searches he was doing in that cell phone is a tracking device. So again, he could be meeting with someone. Perhaps someone giving him information on how to make an improvised explosive device. You know, we're getting maybe a little bit not conspiratory, but maybe conjecturing a little bit. But all of that stuff is going to be super important. Billy, you said it. You could probably figure out how to do this stuff from the Internet. There's so many different ways, you know, Internet. You could order magazines on in books. So he may have done his homework. I think a deep, deep dive by the FBI into this guy's background, his personal life. They said there was a report that he had no social media accounts. I doubt that very highly. A 20 year old is going to have some type of social media activity that just almost asked me. I would think in this day and age. So, but we're going to find that out. That's what the FBI is going to be. That's what they're good at. That's what they're going to be doing. They were able to get into the cell phone. As I said, it's a tracking device, as well as all the stuff that's downloaded off of it, all the sites that they visit. So I think they're going to be able to come up with a good footprint of what this guy was up to, who he is involved with. I want to play a little bit more. This is some more video. This is from ABC. This is a new video tonight showing the moment Donald Trump would be assassin climbed onto the roof of that building. There's two minutes before he opened fire. Look, there he is. You hear bystanders desperately trying to alert police authorities now using that video as part of the investigation. And tonight ABC News has learned that heavily armed local police were stationed inside that building and Miss Thomas Crooks climbing up the outside of the building to the roof. The main building was being used as a staging area for local police, according to two law enforcement officials and Butler Township officials confirming ABC News is reporting that a local police officer climbed up the roof and confronted Brooks moments before the shooting. The officer grabbed hold of the edge of the building, pulled himself up to be able to look. And according to what he's told me, shooter turned rifle was pointed at the officer. The officer defensive move, kind of docked, fell, lost his grip on the building. Investigators tonight trying to determine whether roof access had been properly locked down. The shooter climbing seemingly unimpeded about 400 feet from the stage with a direct line of sight on the former president. Take a look at what happened. Washington lawmakers demanding answers, calling on the Secret Service Director to appear before Congress. We sat down with Director Kim Cheetoh today for an exclusive interview. What was your reaction when you saw the events unfold on Saturday? Shock and then concern, obviously, for the former president. This is an event that should have never happened. Who is most responsible for this happening? What I would say is that the Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the former president. So the buck stops with you? The buck stops with me. I am the Director of the Secret Service. It was unacceptable. And it's something that shouldn't happen again. The president and Homeland Security Secretary said today they had 100% confidence in you. But there are some members of Congress calling on you to resign. I appreciate the secretary's comments. And we're going to continue to be transparent and communicate with people. You plan to stay on absolutely. I do plan to stay on. So that's the problem. They haven't been transparent. And you saw those videos. That's disturbing, right? Two minutes before this happened, this guy's up on the roof. And, you know, Pat, maybe you could tell me, Commissioner Ryder, why did they have the heavy guns inside that building? So a lot of times there's the response team that's going to roll out. They're going to wait to say, "Hey, we've got to send a team out there." So the heavy BSO SWAT guys, what we call the BSO and NASA Academy everybody else, ESU SWAT, they roll and they muster up in an area. But when the president is there and he's coming on the stage, it's all, you know, all the boots are supposed to be out on the field watching the sites, right? They're not supposed to be inside the building. Again, I'm not there, so I don't know why they were inside. But my people, when the event is about to occur, all eyes are now on the audience, right? We're not looking at the president. We're looking at the audience. We're looking up at the rooftops. We're looking at the tree lines. We're looking in the field. These are the things that they're supposed to be doing, you know? There's a lot of reasons why they could have been in there. Hopefully it's the right reasons. And it's just a bed management style or it wasn't a bed manager style. I didn't get it exactly as they were told to do it, but somebody else felt they're not covering the building. You're going to find out as this investigation gets done, somebody should have been on that roof and somebody didn't follow through in their assignment. Absolutely. Commissioner Harnett, ultimately, this falls, you heard the director of the Secret Service say, "Yeah, ultimately, it's my responsibility. I'm the director." But in a larger sense, the boots on the ground, whoever was the... 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Put a bunch of cars together and you go from point A to point B. Motorcade, especially presidential motorcades or high threat motorcades, we go over that sometimes weeks in advance, and they run the route, and then a week before they run the route again, and then the day before they run the route again, because maybe the day before, now a sudden there's a con-ed crew digging a hole in the street, where your presidential motorcade is coming through, and then we'll run it again the day of the route. We'll run it 10 minutes before. We'll have highway guys who are 10 minutes before the cars are going to move. So all that kind of planning goes into it, and that's all about the advance. The advance when the guys go, the president's going to go to St. Patrick Cathedral. They're going to go, and they go there all the time. They're going to check it as if they've never been there before. They're going to check everything, they're going to check a potted plant, what's that doing there? That wasn't here yesterday. Move it. That kind of stuff. It all goes into the planning, and it all comes down to the advance, and somebody might have said we should cover that roof, and maybe nobody followed up. So was the mistake in the advance planning? Was the mistake in the overall operation? Was there so many mistakes? We can't even pinpoint the mistakes right now, which is what it seems like to me at this point. On the advance, again, from my experience, and I go back the wrong way with this stuff, I just can't see anybody with any kind of expertise seeing that roof and not saying we've got to cover that. I just can't see it. Maybe it's a breakdown of communication. Somebody thought you were going to cover it, and I thought you were going to cover it. I don't know. I just can't see an experienced Secret Service person. The guys, the caliber of people I worked with, would never have left that roof uncovered. So I don't know who dropped the ball, but it had to have come up in the advance. I can't see it not coming up when they did that advance check. Commissioner Ryder, isn't it unbelievable how a 20-year-old kid, who now, of course, every kid that you said, the profile of an active shooter has been bullied, and I know you referred to Harrison Klebold from Columbine. That was the first story of that kids that were the first active, well, they weren't the first active shooters, but they were put on the map, and that's when active shooters became sort of a household word. And they were bullied, and they went to school, armed to the teeth, and they killed quite a few people. And this kid is that sort of profile. He looks like a small sort of nerdy type kid. He's 20 years old. It seemed like he was very smart according to people they interviewed his teachers, but he wasn't in college. He was working as a dietary aide in a nursing home, which seems like, you know, a job that maybe a kid would do when he is in college. This wasn't going to be his profession. But yeah, he fits that profile, and the term lone wolf, you know, I don't like to even hear that either because it's too early to say that. It really is because you know Commissioner Ryder, you know Commissioner Hartnett, Phil, you know that investigation takes time. No one from the media, no one, high government officials want to wait for the results of the investigation. They want it now. The chief wants it now. You know, sorry, I can't invent the results of it, but your thoughts, Pat. So you get, again, when we want, let the investigation take place, you're going to find that this kid screamed of an active shooter. He screamed of a lone wolf. He screamed of somebody that wanted to act out. That's what history is going to show us. They're going to look back and somebody knew something they always do. Somebody saw the signs and didn't say something. That saying that came out of 9/11, see something, say something. It's real, right? And people sit back and they don't say something. And this kid developed over time. And he watched things on TV. He let the world, the media, let the rhetoric and the and the vile comments go back and forth and screams of, I just had a meeting. We are a terror meeting last week. And I said to my team, I said, you're going to see this is going to be one of the most violent political seasons we've ever seen. History is coming back around. You look at the college campuses that ended this spring and the violence that occurred on our campuses. You're going to see it coming up in the fall. And you're going to see it right up to election. And we're going to find more of these type of kids that are out there. They're nobody's in their mind, but they're always somebody. And they decided I'm going to act out the person. I want to do my part. I'm going to speak up like the rest of my students are. And you know what? I'm going to take it to the next level. I'm going to plant a bomb over here that I did get on this very powerful thing, holding internet on our phone. I'm going to make that little homemade molotel cocktail and throw it into into a building. This is what our society has become because we've allowed it to fester and the more and more the media and what happens on social media pumps this stuff out. The more and more of that kid sitting in home who's got nothing says, you know what? I'm going to be now somebody today. I'm going to go do it my way. Commission, that's a great point. And I think that part of the job, I think, of law enforcement and specifically our politicians is to lower the temperature, lower the rhetoric, calling Trump an existential threat to democracy. New York Times was printing that just a couple of weeks ago. You know, that's raising the temperature. That is having people like this that are listening to this, that would be active shooters, that's spurring them on to make improvised explosive devices to maybe want to be known for something because their life maybe is meaningless than at this point, and right scary. So it is part of the political leaders to lower the temperature on this film. Yeah, I agree with lowering the temperature. I think that even Donald Trump is probably going to take a step back in that respect. But I think that both of our guests, both Commissioner Ryder and Chief White made great points with regard to the advance. I think that's going to tell the whole story. And what regard to the profile of cook crooks. According to CBS News, he searched symptoms of depressive disorder, and he had access to a firearm. Those two things shouldn't go together. So the red flags, I think, are going to be there. I agree with Commissioner Ryder. Unfortunately, he was able to get his hands on a gun and get up on that roof. Had there been a better communication between the secret service and the local police, you see that police officer going towards that roof. If he had a secret service agent with him, he could radio and said, "Listen, we're engaging someone on a roof that may have a gun. Get the president off the stage. This thing might have been avoided." Again, that's all just a, you know, a conjecturing I would imagine. But when we went out with a dignitary protection with the secret service, we always had secret service agents with us, or very close by that we would be able to alert them. And I've done a secret service, a dignitary protection with a president Bush, where I didn't even get to see him. There were so many layers of security. I was so far away from him in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel that I didn't even see him. Dick Cheney, same thing. I was able to see him, but there were so many layers. And in something like this, this is a high profile, former president, the Republican candidate for president in November. And I just feel like that whole area should have been part of that secure perimeter. Apparently, somebody dropped the ball with that this building was left with that roof unattended. Again, we're able to Monday morning quarterback a little bit here, but these things are kind of just jumping out because we've been through it. We have the experience. We see it. There was some kind of better communication is probably would have never happened. And then the red flags that this guy was obviously depressed or searching about depression, and he has access to a firearm. No good. Absolutely. Folks, this is police off the cuff real crime stories. If you like real crime, true crime from a police perspective in the right place. And if you're not subscribed to us going on YouTube, hit that subscribe button. Give us a thumbs up. Hit that like button. 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This kid is the profile of an active shooter. He is like the perfect profile of what every active shooter has been in the last 10 years. Remember Sandy Hook. Same thing, right, that's burgers, some cognitive issues and mental health depression access to a gun. Bad recipe. Yeah, horrible. You mentioned before correctly so that the FBI is the lead on this. And again, just like the Secret Service, I worked very well with the FBI in my career, the noise agree, but we worked well together, but they've had a rough couple of years. And it's really incumbent upon them to do a thorough and objective and non politicized investigation of this incident. They can't worry about where the chips are going to fall. They got to be thorough. They got it. They got to do it the right way. They can't run the outcome by some high government official to see if they're going to like what they hear. So this has got to be done right and done by the numbers. I think I think they do have the ability to do it. I think they will do it optimistic. But they're under a microscope now because of some of the prior investigations that were looked upon as in politically driven. Absolutely. You know, when you look at that also, another thing that was thrown into the mix near the very end was that there was a threat from Iran that the Secret Service knew about. So that, you know, right away, do you think, were they involved with this kid crooks, or was that a whole separate threat. What do you think Commissioner Ryder. Now they start getting into Lee Harvey Oswald and all the people that was connected with him. You know, the theories are going to be out there. I think this is just somebody in our world, as we say, after right somebody made a didn't do what they were told to do and being the position they were supposed to be in. There's no way that that was not in the pre planning. There's no way that that was not supposed to be coming. Somebody messed up. Absolutely. You know, guys, we've been off about an hour and five minutes. I'm going to give it. I'm going to go around and have everyone give their last thoughts and fill them. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friends still laughing at me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B. But with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get $100 credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/resolts to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/resolts. Terms and conditions apply. LinkedIn, the place to be to be thought with you. My last thoughts are this. I think this investigation is going to go in two directions. Obviously, find out what happened on the day of the incident with the pre planning, the advance, all that, but also the per biology. I want to know a lot about Crooks. What was he doing? How did he get to this point? There are red flags that we talked about with depression and his access to a gun. All of that is going to be very, very interesting to find out. Condolences to Corey, Compertory and his family. David Dutch and James Copenhagen were also injured. I hope for a speedy recovery for them. Thank God that Donald Trump was able to survive the shooting. I really believe in God and I believe that this was a divine intervention at that moment that he turned and that bullet just nicked his head. Because had that bullet, he'd been looking in a different direction. We would have had another JFK situation. Thank God he's okay. Let's move forward. Let's get the details of this incident out. Again, condolences to the family of that fire, retired firefighter at lost his family. He was lost his life. He was protecting his family when it happened. And let's just, like we said earlier, let's bring down the rhetoric a little bit, tone down all of the insults and the attacks. We know that that's how politics is, but it's time to bring it down a little bit. Absolutely. Commissioner Ryder, when you said that you're prepared and a lot of police departments are prepared for one of the most violent political election seasons since probably the 60s when we're back. It's a scary thought, but I think all the signs are there and probably the permissiveness of what is allowed to go on has emboldened many people. And I think that's, I think that's really what you're saying. And it's a horrible thing because, you know, we pride ourselves in this being a democratic country. And years ago, you used to be able to have a debate with someone that you totally disagreed with and have a beer with them shake hands and go go a separate ways. That's not the way it is anymore. Pat, your thoughts. You can't have that beer over your thumb on your phone when you're blasting away. You know, we always thought you can't, but you pull that trigger, you can't get the bullet back. Now it's be careful. You push that thumb down and hit send, you can't get it back. And the rhetoric just keeps coming and you look at the college campuses that we've the season that we just left this past spring and the violence that went around our country. As we get closer to election, it's going to rev up all over again. And, you know, there's already CNN was reporting today on one of the stations that maybe the injury is not really from a gunshot wound. The president hasn't really showed it. It could be glass. Really? And this is, you know, two days later, the guy got shot three days later. He is a past president, going to be the future president, and you're talking, you're already starting a rhetoric to try to twist it another direction. We can't even let the man speak to us tomorrow night to find out what his feelings are, what his injury really was. That's what's wrong with our country today. And we, and it's men and women law enforcement. That's why we don't like to, and I think any said it before, we don't like to Monday morning quarterback anybody, right, especially in the law enforcement field because we know how tough that job is. But there was some mistakes and we got to learn from them. But what we allow the media to do to us is even worse. And you mentioned all them stations again CNN and all those. I only watch Fox and that's it for me. That's the only station I'll watch. Eddie, I just, I want to give you the last, the last words tonight. I know you're probably wearing your $1,000 shoes as you're doing the show. Yeah, at least one of them on anyway. So just first of all, guys, thank you, Phil, and Phil, and thank you for this. And Patty, always good to be with you in person or on the little squares here. Always good seeing you, brother. I'm looking with three questions, kind of wrapping up, you know, again, number one. Why was that young man allowed to have access to that roof? Number two, why was this event allowed to proceed when they knew at least 30 minutes before there was a suspicious individual on the site somewhere. You could have stopped everything, found him, looked for him, told President Trump, wait a minute, we're going to check this out. And the third question again to be the dead horse. Why hasn't there been a briefing to the public about this. So those are my three questions I'd like to see answered somewhere in a calm rational way. And again, gentlemen, thank you and be safe. God bless. It always is great to have you. And from the chat, an old 32 guy, Lieutenant Peter Pranzo says that he's the best, you know, so I know. Pete, we had fun with three, too. And thank God, the rules, the rules of engagement were different. Absolutely. I know you've probably split a few cafe con leche's with Lieutenant Peter. No work, all work. It was all work. Yeah, you know, you know, you're going to have a coffee in the three, two hands for 35 jobs a night, right? Back in the day anyway. There was no con leche in the three, too. I'll tell you that. Mighty cameras either Coco Bola. That's what that's. Anyway, Commissioner Pat Ryder from Nassau County. You're a great man. Thank you so much for coming on any hot net. He was my exo and the two for many, many moons ago. You still look, you still look young Eddie. You're still a vibrant guy and you're. Work done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Work done. I don't believe that. Anyway, Phil, thank you for being a co-hosting tonight. And all you folks watching is police off the cover of your crimes. So it's thanks for listening. Have a great night and God bless everyone. Stay safe everyone. Thank you so much for coming on. [Music]