Two suspects arrested in the murder of Houston 12 year old. The two illegal immigrant suspects charged with strangling 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray to death this week had "lured" her under a bridge in Houston before tying her up and killing her, prosecutors allege in new court documents obtained by Fox News. Johan Jose Rangel Martinez, 21, and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, 26, each face capital murder charges, and prosecutors are requesting that their bail be set at $1 million. "In this case the defendant lured a 12-year-old under a bridge, where he and his co-defendant remained with her for over 2 hours, took her pants off, tied her up, and killed her, then threw her body into the bayou," Harris County Assistant District Attorney Michael Abner wrote. On Thursday, Fox News reported that the two suspects from Venezuela had entered the U.S. illegally before being released from custody. An Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) spokesperson confirmed the news on Friday, saying in a statement that "Martinez and Pena both illegally entered the U.S. without inspection, parole or admission by a U.S. immigration officer on an unknown date and at an unknown location." (Fox News) 💯 Join our mission to uncover the truth in crime! Support Police Off the Cuff on Patreon for exclusive content and insider access. Click now and become a part of our detective squad: policeoffthecuff676.com www.patreon.com/policeoffthecuff 💬 Did you like this video? Let me know in the comments below! ✅ Subscribe to Police off the Cuff right now! Click here: https://www.policeofthecuff676.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceofftheCuff?sub_confirmation=1 Or become a YouTube Member to get access to perks here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKo80Xa1PYTc23XN_Yjp8pA/join --------------- Welcome to the Official YouTube Channel of Police off the Cuff This is where the veil of mystery on high-profile cases is lifted through the sharp insights of seasoned law enforcement professionals and where real crime meets real analysis. This is your destination for exploring the complexities of true crime stories, illuminated by the rich experience and street wisdom of those who have walked the thin blue line. At the helm is retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a figure of authority in the crime investigation arena, with a diverse background that spans across acting, broadcasting, and academia. Bill's profound knowledge and keen analytical skills, combined with his empathetic approach, make each story not just heard but felt. Phil's extensive investigative experience, coupled with his genuine passion and characteristic Brooklyn charm, adds depth and relatability to the discussions. ➡️ Here we navigate the intricate web of the nation's most captivating crime stories, offering not just stories, but an education on the realities of criminal investigation. Their combined expertise provides a unique lens through which the stories are told, offering insights that only those with firsthand experience can provide. Join us on this journey into the heart of true crime, where every episode promises a deep dive into the minds of criminals and the tireless efforts of law enforcement to bring them to justice. --------------- 📲 Follow Police off the Cuff on social media: Instagram ▶️ https://www.instagram.com/policeoffthecuff Facebook ▶️ https://www.facebook.com/Policeoffthecuff-312794509230136/ Twitter ▶️ https://twitter.com/policeoffthecuf Listen on Apple and Spotify podcasts. 🎧 Dive deep into true crime with Police Off the Cuff Podcast. Join retired NYPD expert Bill Cannon as he dissects infamous cases with insider insight: https://anchor.fm/otcpod1 ☑️ Support Police Off the Cuff and help us bring you more captivating crime stories. Every contribution makes a difference! Choose your preferred way to donate: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/policeoffthecuff1gma Venmo @William-Cannon-27 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/policeoffty --------------- 📚 Disclaimer: This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner.
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Two suspects arrested in the murder of Houston 12 year old.
he two illegal immigrant suspects charged with strangling 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray to death this week had "lured" her under a bridge in Houston before tying her up and killing her, prosecutors allege in new court documents obtained by Fox News.
Johan Jose Rangel Martinez, 21, and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, 26, each face capital murder charges, and prosecutors are requesting that their bail be set at $1 million.
"In this case the defendant lured a 12-year-old under a bridge, where he and his co-defendant remained with her for over 2 hours, took her pants off, tied her up, and killed her, then threw her body into the bayou," Harris County Assistant District Attorney Michael Abner wrote.
On Thursday, Fox News reported that the two suspects from Venezuela had entered the U.S. illegally before being released from custody. An Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) spokesperson confirmed the news on Friday, saying in a statement that "Martinez and Pena both illegally entered the U.S. without inspection, parole or admission by a U.S. immigration officer on an unknown date and at an unknown location." (Fox News)
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Hello everyone and welcome to Police Off The Cuff Real Crime Stories. I'm your host, the tight NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 20-70 veteran of the NYPD. Folks, we have a real tragic story coming out of Houston, Texas, and I'll put the thumbnail up on the screen. A 12-year-old girl, her name is Jocelyn Nungare, was murdered by two Venezuelan nationals in Houston, Texas. And of course, the big question is, is why? Is why is this happening? The other cases that have been in the news, of course, was Rachel Marin, who they just made an arrest on from a case that happened last year. And of course, the other one was Lake and Riley, a nursing student jogging on the University of Georgia campus, was also murdered. And what is the common -- oh, another tragic case, a 13-year-old New York City girl, unidentified by name, was assaulted in a SA manner and they caught that perpetrator. The commonality to all of these people are illegal aliens coming into this country, which means they were not vetted to come into this country. And as I've said numerous times, I am 100% behind immigration, 100%. But there needs to be a word in front of the word immigration, and the word that needs to be in front of it is legal, legal, vetted, immigrants that pass, the test of being vetted for criminal backgrounds, criminal histories, all of those things, you know, and our government is failing us. They're not doing that. So when we hear about these horrific murders, in this case, a little girl, a 12-year-old girl, who are we going to point the finger at? The police? The police did an outstanding job of apprehending these two individuals. Franklin Peña, 26 years old. Johan Jose Martinez Wrangle, 21 years old, have only been in this country for a month. Take them a month to do a capital murder, you know? Just think of that, just absolutely outrageous. So folks, hang on to your seats, hang on to your hats, hang on to your wig, your toupee, whatever you need to hang on to your kids, your wife, your service dog, because you're about to enter true crime from a police perspective. You're about to enter the off-the-cuff zone, the police off the cuff zone. They're asking you some common sense. We still don't know before the trailer. Folks joining me tonight to present this case and to go over it and to analyze what is transpired is retired NYPD Sergeant Professor at Alberta's Magnus College in Connecticut, attorney and all around. Good guy. Welcome to the show. Professor Mike Geary. Bill, thank you. Have me on. Welcome everyone. Good evening. Mike, I appreciate you coming on because we sort of did this at the last minute, but it's one of those horrific cases that we say, why? Why is this happening? And I mentioned on a show the other night that they retort to this is that immigrants or illegal immigrants don't do crime at any higher rate than legal than legal citizens. And that is the worst retort I have ever heard from anyone. Like, no, they do it at 100% higher rate because they're not supposed to be here, all right? They're not legally here. So if you're going to make that argument that they don't commit crimes at any higher rate, look, it's bad enough we have to deal with our own legal citizen criminals rather than dealing with another country's criminals that come here illegally. And that's my thoughts. Your thoughts, Mike. Bill, you're right. Each and every one of them has committed a crime. Our immigration process doesn't work. It hasn't worked since I've been alive. So it needs revamping, and each party uses it to beat the other one up. And what we have here since 2021 in January is an open border policy. It's killing us. We have more people who have come in illegally that we know of that is greater than the population of New York City. Now, the population that have gotten out, you know, got into our country without us even knowing might be another 8 million, 10 million people. But it is beyond control. You know, Jessica Marin was killed in Maryland. That's 1,000 miles from the border, the southern border. You know, New York City is 1,000 miles from the southern border. You see these things. Every city, every state, every human being in New York, in America, lives at the southern border now because the southern border is everywhere in the United States and is killing us. 100%. So let me just get into this case. Two men who were seen on surveillance footage with a 12 year old girl before her body was found in a Houston Creek earlier this week were arrested yesterday in her death. Lee said one of the suspects tried to jump off a balcony and escape. There it is. An escape before officers caught him. Johan Jose Rangel Martinez, age 21, will go back to their pictures, identifying them. And Jose Peña Ramos, 26, each face a charge of capital murder and the killing of Jocelyn Nungaree, Lee said. The medical exam is determined that a cause of death was strangulation. It was unclear if the two suspects had attorneys yet to speak on their behalf. The names were not listed in jail or court records as of Thursday afternoon. Jocelyn's body was found in the shallow water of a Creek early Monday morning. Police said that she sneaked out of her nearby home the night before. Police said that surveillance footage showed the men meeting up with Jocelyn before walking her to a convenience store. The three then walked to the bridge together where Jocelyn was killed. It was not known yet if Jocelyn knew the men who were roommates according to police. Police said the results of a sexual assault exam on the victim appending. Police on Tuesday had released photos from the surveillance footage of the two men who were called persons of interest at the time. Neighbors at the complex, whether your arrest were made, arrived at about 4 a.m. and used a loudspeaker to order the men to come out. Police at the complex. When they didn't come out, officers approached the second floor apartment with their weapons drawn. One of the perpetrators, who we can now call a perpetrator, jumped off the balcony. Forensic investigators were seen removing boxes of evidence from the apartment on Thursday. Acting Houston police chief Larry Sattaway said the department worked around the clock to identify the killers and began the process of finding justice for Jocelyn and her family. Their hard work paid off, able to find video and trace the movements of the suspects and Jocelyn all the way to the bayou where she was murdered. Jocelyn's mother, Alexis, and I'm going to describe the daughter as spunky, goofy and loving. So it's tragedy. It's tragedy not just for her mom, Alexis, but for the entire community, for the entire country, for the entire world as to why are we failing these people? Why are we failing our citizens by not protecting them, Mike? Billy, it's disgusting and one of the people in the post, Future's Past, just raised a very good point. She asked about NGO liability, NGOs, non-government organizations that claim that they're going to take care of these people, shelter them, feed them, get them social services, get them on the track to a bright future. They're failing too because they take in more people than they can handle, they don't have good records, they don't vet people at all, they get released, the immigrants get released into their custody and then they just go wherever they want. So an NGO as an organization, it has a very different civil or criminal liability than the government. The government in many instances, but you can sue an NGO and if NGOs actually were brought into court by victims of people who they were supposed to be working with and actually answering for and sheltering and educating and taking care of and they weren't paying attention to them and they were negative, you could actually have more citizens suing them, bringing them to the court, stopping this nonsense with these government NGO, these non-government NGOs, which are funded by PACS and by government agencies. It's horrible, it's a horrific cycle and these guys were around for a while. My guess is they probably saw Jocelyn and they probably talked to her. Make this new school year an opportunity for your kids to learn important life skills with green light. Green Light is a debit card and money app for families where kids learn how to save, invest and spend wisely while parents keep an eye on kids' money habits. 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You know, butterfly, if they're convicts, they can't be authorized to leave their country. How do we know they're convicts when they'll go for you to come check? That's the whole point. We're not checking, we're not vetting these people. That's the whole argument here, is that countries like Venezuela, countries like El Salvador, they're happy to let their criminals come into our country. Just like in the 1980s, Cuba emptied their prisons into Miami, and no one stopped it. This is just as bad, probably worse because there's more of them, there's like 6 million, and again, to make it clear, I am 100% for immigration, but protect your citizens, let's know who's coming into this country. Not everyone should just be allowed to come in without vetting who the hell they are. Let me play, this is Houston's mayor, let me play a bit of this. We've been going to court with these individuals and hold them accountable. The suspects are now facing charges of capital murder. Chasalyn was a fighter, she fought hard, and she needs justice. She didn't deserve this, and he needs to be arrested at peace. They took away my firstborn, I was a teen mom, she's who helped me grow mature. They took every opportunity away from me, from our family. I want to reach out to the court system, the justice system, we're going to be watching you. The arrest has taken place, the charges have been filed. Now we want the justice system to do its job. I hope the universe gives them what they deserve. Good evening, and thank you for joining us at 6. I'm Borley Peele. I'm Bryce Newberry. We start the news live at 6 in North Houston this evening, following the tragic murder of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nongaray. We have been following each step of this case all week long, and today, police have announced that two men are now charged with capital murder, and Houston police have now identified those men as Johan Renga Martinez and Franklin Pina Ramos, both of those men are in their 20s. This is the area off of Rankin Road, where Jocelyn's body was found early Monday morning. We do have a live picture tonight where you can see there's a growing memorial just across the street from us here. Loved ones have left flowers and balloons on the creek bank over there, and all of it is to honor this young girl who tragically lost her young life. This is a parent's worst nightmare, Bryce. I have been in contact with Jocelyn's mother today. I was on the phone with her while she was at the funeral home, making funeral arrangements for her 12-year-old daughter. She told me that she is so grateful that the two men wanted in this case are now behind bars, and this has been a huge impact on her family and this entire community. And there have been a lot of updates on this case today, again, those two men charged now with capital murder, and we brought you the news conference from HPD Investigators Live on the KPRC 2+ livestream earlier this afternoon. Investigators thanked this community for rallying behind Jocelyn and her family to help them get answers. This is everything we know so far in this case. These two men are now charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungare. Only KPRC 2's cameras captured a large law enforcement presence as investigators arrested them early Thursday at an apartment about a half-mile from this creek where her body was found strangled to death early Monday. We were able to find video and get trace the movements of our suspects and of Jocelyn and all the way to the point of where she was murdered. Tips from the community combined with old-fashioned police work led to their capture investigators say they have only lived in the area for a matter of months or less. It's the totality of every piece of the evidence together. After the suspects visited a restaurant in the Northboro district, they are seen meeting Jocelyn on Kirk and Dahl Road. The suspects and the victim walked together to a convenience store, and those images were also released to you guys and the public. After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge where ultimately Jocelyn was murdered. The interaction transpired over three or four hours investigators believe just hours after they say she snuck out of her mom's nearby apartment Sunday night. Billie Jean Jackson drove by the bridge Monday morning. If I just happened to look and she was there, I thought it was a mannequin. It's not something you'd expect to see anywhere. She called 911. This surveillance video shows the first fire truck arriving on scene. You know, absolutely horrific and, you know, again, in these type of investigations, we have to thank the police, the public, and actually the news media for getting this out there. And one of the things we found out in connection with this investigation is that Jocelyn snuck out of her apartment at whatever, about 10 o'clock, 10, 30 at night. So she's 12 years old, she snuck out, her mom didn't even know she was out, and, you know, bad things happened to young kids at night when we were out on the street. And I'm not victim-blaming whatsoever, I'm just giving background of what occurred here. And then, you know, the perfect storm, make it that these two, let's call them predators, preyed upon a little 12-year-old girl. That's what she is. She's a kid. She's a little 12-year-old girl, and, you know, horrific things happen. And that's the little 12-year-old girl with her braces and everything, will never make it to 13 years old. And, you know, the police in these cases, you know, if you haven't worked, well, most of you haven't worked a murder case, it's all hands-on deck. It's every person you can muster up because you can't have too many people, and there's so much to do. And one of the things they did, of course, was to retrace the steps. And as we've told you guys in millions of cases, I shouldn't say, millions, many cases that we have covered in police off the cuff, is video is everywhere. So what do they do? They trace the steps of Jocelyn and these two individuals from that convenience store. They put that video out to the media, which is so important. And then someone calls the police because they spot a body in the creek. This is how this all transpired, and this is how this investigation was put together, and the police didn't stop 24/7 for, I guess, it was over three days until this case was brought to, well, what we would consider a positive conclusion because two people have been arrested. And the police are pretty sure that they've got the right guys, and the case is not over. You know, it's not over until the case goes to trial. But we believe and the police believe they have the right two individuals. Mike? Yeah, Billy, thank goodness for the surveillance videos. I remember Chief Boyce said one time that, you know, you're crazy if you're committing a crime to Manhattan because there's not a single street in Manhattan that doesn't have surveillance videos that the city put in, you know, the cameras that the city put in, where that private, you know, stores put in, or private residences. So it's huge. And the fact that once the pictures were released to the public, the public came forward and they supported the police, and they called the tip line. And that's how they got, you know, some positive IDs on this guy. That's just like the case, the recent case in the park in Queens. Soon is that his picture was out from a surveillance video. They chased the people in the community, chased him down, and he had to be actually rescued from the community's wrath by the PD. That's the kind of response cops need to help them solve these crimes. And when it comes to a little boy or a little girl, his all hands on deck is 24/7. As you say, you know, you've done this many times with Phil, and I've done this sometimes. You know, you go out there and you're working like 16 hours straight. Get every single piece of video you can talk to every single person you can on the street, hand out your card to everybody you possibly can. Make good detailed reports. Do all your DD5s, get all the video you can, get cooperation from everybody. And then eventually you'll get a break, you know, but it's all hands on deck. The news media did a great job, the public in that area, that neighborhood, thank goodness. They did what they did. They were all paying attention, and we got these guys as fast as possible so they couldn't harm anybody else. You know, you just wonder how many other people have they victimized and passed, but thankfully everything came forward. The police, the community, the press, and we, as you say, we got a positive conclusion to the case. 100%. And you know, there were some reports from their complex that these guys just sat around and made remarks to all females passing. So I don't know what their function in life was. And then you come here to work, but to get good citizens, you know, some of these people are coming here to commit crimes, and these two are examples of that. Because of the creek where Jocelyn Nungaret was found dead, balloons and flowers are part of a growing memorial. It's sad, it's outrageous, makes you angry. The mayor, like the community, rattled over the 12-year-old's death, found strangled along this creek off Rankin Road. If there was ever a circumstance where you do not give someone bail, this is it. In the hours before Jocelyn's murder, police say 21-year-old Johan Jose Rangal Martinez and 26-year-old Franklin Jose Pena Ramos visited a nearby restaurant. We've now learned it was this one off the North Freeway where they ordered rounds of shots. After they left, they came across Jocelyn along Kirkendall Road, investigators say, some time after she snuck out of her apartment Sunday night. The suspects and the victim walked together to a convenience store. After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge where, ultimately, Jocelyn was murdered. Investigators are still waiting on the results of a sexual assault exam, but surveillance video tips and old-fashioned police work brought the homicide, SWAT and gang units to the suspect's apartment early Thursday. Only KPRC2's cameras captured their arrest. Sources tell us they are Venezuelan nationals who have been in the country less than a month and federal investigators are now looking into their background. They are conducting that part of the investigation in terms of their status and legality here. Jocelyn's mother telling our Corley Peel she's never seen them before. She's overwhelmed and relieved they've been caught. She doesn't have a voice number, so I have to be her advocate and I've always fought for her and I will always fight for her. Thanks for watching. So, you know, just horrific, and you know, it's a lot of you guys. Want to teach your kids financial literacy, but not sure where to start? Greenlight can help. With Greenlight, parents can keep an eye on kids' spending and saving, while kids and teens use a card of their own to build money confidence. As a parent, you can send instant money transfers, set up chores, automate allowance, and more. It's a convenient way to run your household, customized to your family's needs, and the easy way to raise financially smart kids gets started with Greenlight today and get your first month free at greenlight.com/pod. Summer is supposed to be an opportunity to slow down, but when you look at your kids, you can't help but notice that your kids are growing up fast. Help them build independence as they grow with Greenlight. Greenlight is a debit card and money app for families, where parents can keep an eye on kids' money habits, while kids learn how to save, invest, and spend wisely. It's the easy, convenient way to raise financially smart kids. Get your first month free when you sign up at greenlight.com/podcast. They're listening. When we talk about vetting somebody, difficult to vet someone coming in from a country that doesn't keep very good records themselves. So therefore, you have to use multiple law enforcement agencies in this country in order to get to the bottom of who each person is, and that takes time. And the other thing is, one of those ways to vet someone is interviewing them. And good interviewers know the tricks. They know how to get the truth out of people. So you think if these two were subject to an interview in a background check that they would have been allowed in this country, I would almost guarantee you, the gangbang is almost guaranteed, and that's discouraging, that's scary, and that's the worst possible scenario we could have that our elected officials are not protecting us. Law enforcement is doing everything they can, but they're hamstrung, Homeland Security, Border Patrol, they're told not to do certain things that they used to do as a matter of course, and now they're told not to do it. Why? Why? It's ideology over common sense. It's political ideology over common sense. It's some sort of weird idea that they have that this is going to lead to a better world order or whatever, but at the price of the death of millions of Americans. Remember, some of these people are coming from countries that don't want them. They're not going to answer the phone when somebody says, "Hey, I'd like to do a name check with you on one of your immigrants that just came over into Arizona. Here's this date of birth and his name. Could you run it? Could you run it? Oh, here's a set of fingerprints." No, they just want these people out. They're not going to cooperate with any investigation. They're not going to cooperate at all. They want these people out. They want to empty their jails. They want to empty their mental institutions. They just want them out of here, and they don't care where they go as long as they don't stay there. The people who are in America allowing this to happen, and they see what happens daily. They're not blind. They see it, but they see it as a means to a different end than you and I see it. They see it as a new order in our country, a new balancing of the population. I'm not even going to talk about voting in citizenship for these people, but that's where they're going with this. They don't care because it's going to be somebody else that gets hurt, not them or their family, and so they vote for these policies. They don't care. They just don't care. That's a shame. Kayme, thank you. She gifted one police off the cuff membership. Thank you very much. Really appreciate that. It's a horrific policy, and I don't understand why it's continuing, because just in the past few weeks, we've had tragedies in regards to this type of thing. Unvetted people coming across the border, and I just don't know why it's going to continue like that. We've got a little bit of another news station. Tonight, the family of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungary is planning to hold a vigil in her honor tomorrow night at sunset. That is after investigators announced today two men are in custody charge with capital murder for killing the little girl and leaving her body in a northeastern bayou. Annie Elle Ruiz is live at HPV headquarters in downtown Houston with the very latest in this case. Annie Elle? Well, guys, this I have relief for this family and the entire community, as everyone was shocked to hear about this terrible tragedy. A busy day for officers is zeroed in on 21-year-old Johan Jose Rangel Martinez and 26-year-old Franklin Jose Pena Ramos. Both men now charge with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungary. Claudia Escobar, who lives near them, says she heard the loudspeaker at around four this morning. She said the loudspeaker in Spanish asked those in the apartment to exit because they had an arrest warrant. This neighbor said officers started arming themselves and they went up to the second floor. One neighbor said one of the men from the apartment jumped out from the balcony. The cops had the place surrounded and they grabbed him. Witnesses shared images of the suspects being questioned outside, as investigators pulled out bags of evidence from the apartment. Today police said the suspects ate at a restaurant on Northborough late Sunday. They left on foot met Jocelyn near Kirkendell and walked to the convenience store. They then all walked to the bridge where she was killed. They just moved in. They haven't even been here a month. Others say they didn't really know the two men because they hadn't lived here for long. But one thing they all noticed, the men would sit on the balcony end. They said they would make unwanted advances to women as they were passing by. The neighbors still here can't believe that someone would hurt such a beautiful young girl. It's very emotional because when you think I live on the third floor, these people are on the second floor. You know, and it's just like, I don't need, there's no emotions here. Listening to the folks that live there, N.E.L.E. have investigated, said how they tracked these men down. Well investigators say they're still digging and they were able to backtrack from where the body was found and follow the surveillance of video. Several steps behind. But now the biggest question for them and for a lot of people is whether Jocelyn knew the suspects or if this was just a brief encounter. Of course, a lot of questions still unanswered, but we hope to learn more also as the suspects attend court reporting live. Bill, this is really bad. As you can see, we have a little cynical problems, but this is really bad. There you go. How are you? No, I was just saying, Mike, I forgot I wasn't on the arrows. Why is the news reporter saying we wonder if she knew them? What does that matter? She's 12 years old, they murdered her, whether she knew them or not. And the mom is saying she did not know them. So I mean, it's nothing to do with this. And someone in the chat, let me see if I can find the remarks. What were they doing in their own country when they come here and they hear less than a month and they're committing a capital murder? Here, I just found it, roll a girl 808. What the hell are they doing in their own countries if they're here for only one month and committing a capital murder? Roll a 808. Excellent comment. You're right. They're doing nothing. They're gangbangers and their country wants them out. That's what they're doing. Right. It's really bad because you have NGOs taking care of these people or supposedly taking care of these people, these people are dumped places. You wonder where's the money coming from? Is it an NGO that's sponsored by a government agency? It's a private NGO that gets money from churches or social organizations you wonder. But the NGO network around the country is also in need of overhaul because it is not doing any aliens, nationals, whatever you want to call them. It's not doing them any service whatsoever and it's not protecting us whatsoever. There's compassion, but at some point you get in America, you get compassion overload where we just run out of compassion and we have to say, "Enough is enough." We're way past that point, but you just wonder, "Who's paying the rent every month? What do they do 24 hours a day? It's late at night, on a Sunday night. They're out drinking. Aren't you getting ready for a work Monday morning? They're there a couple of weeks and what they were doing in those two or three weeks was just harassing ladies walking by. They probably saw her, maybe they had seen her before, and maybe she'd said a lot of them. Didn't really know who they were. They took advantage of that, and they got close to her, and she was taken by surprise. That's really pathetic, and you just wonder what kind of criminals they were. Were they drug dealing gangbangers? Were they enforcers? Were they pimps? You just wonder what they were in their own country because they just didn't turn at the criminals. No, they are criminals. They're imported criminals, that's what they are. Exactly. In buckles, how did they pay their rent? They're being sponsored, as Mike was saying. They're obviously being sponsored by some, what are you referred to as an NGO, and that's who's paying their rent, and again, do they vet anybody? DCP&W, who's renting those apartments and if I can barely get an apartment? Well, again, they're being sponsored, so the apartment rent is probably getting more for the apartment than you would get from a regular tenant because they're being paid for by sponsors, outrageous. Kissy Kay, Bill and Mike, you guys are the best. Thank you. Well, thank you. Appreciate you watching. Folks, this is police off the cuff, real crime stories, if you like real crime, true crime from a police perspective in the right place, and if you're not subscribed, go on our YouTube, hit that subscribe button, give us a thumbs up, ring that bell, share us with your friends and your family, hit the like button. And if you want to contribute to us, we have a Patreon with four different levels. We also have a YouTube channel membership with Countum, five different levels, and you could become a member, and we've seen our membership grow by leaps and bounds in the last few weeks, months, and this channel is growing all because of you guys, and we appreciate that very much. Let me go to the news. I want to play a little bit of the press conference. Right now, Houston police are providing an update into their investigation into the death of a 12 year old girl, Jocelyn Nungary, was found dead in a creek in North Houston early Monday morning. Let's listen in on that update. When we get started. All right, good afternoon, on Monday, the mayor and I and our homicide stood in front of you and asked for and delivered some really tragic news of a little girl who was tragically murdered, and we asked for your help. Her name was Jocelyn Nungary, and she was 12 years old. We started to work and we've been working around the clock since that time, trying to find out what happened to her and who was responsible and to get them off the street. I want to thank our homicide team, our north belt crime suppression teams, our gang division, our SWAT team and Metro PD, who all came together as we look for this for the guys that did this, the suspects in this horrible murder, and we were all out there. In fact, the mayor was with me on Tuesday night late as we were going through and looking to see if we could find anything else and the teams were out there and they were scouring every potential video feed and they were talking to everybody possible that might have seen something or heard something and their hard work paid off because we were able to find video and get, trace the movements of our suspects and our of Jocelyn and all the way to the point of where she was murdered and left in a bayou in the water. If you don't think that law enforcement, the job of being a law enforcement officer, doesn't take its toll on you, look at this chief Satterwhite who's given this press conference. He looks like he is personally involved and that he's taken this as hard as anyone else and not being related to this little girl, but we can attest myself and Mike and it tests you that you do sometimes take it personally and it's almost like a member of your family was killed and something like this, especially the tragedy of a 12 year old girl getting murdered and again, this should never have happened, it should never end. We in this country, I think many times and we take our law enforcement for granted because they do such a great job, they really do and here they all, full court press that was the lingo of the day. Not sure where to start, Greenlight can help. With Greenlight, parents can keep an eye on kids spending and saving while kids and teens use a card of their own to build money confidence. 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You see the toll it takes on not just the families, but the police that actually worked this case. Just absolutely horrific. Mike? Yeah, Billy, how many police chiefs, how many lieutenants, captains, sergeants, detectives are moms and dads themselves and they get a call from a missing girl under some really mysterious circumstances. They're thinking the worst off the bat and they're probably going to work 12, 14 hour days. If I work around the clock on this case and you know, different shifts and it takes toll on you because you go home and then you see your own child and you do pray to God that nothing ever happens to your own child because you've seen way too many times where kids who may have just been not supervised properly or the parents just turn around and don't pay attention to something. The kid gets themselves into some trouble or they just give them a little bit more freedom than you really would like to because you figured they're growing up, that sort of thing. And then tragedy happens. When you're 12, 13 years old, you have no clue as to how dangerous people could be. And this poor little girl, she snuck out probably out of her bedroom window, I would imagine, you know, that sort of thing. And she was walking around, maybe she'd done this once, twice before, but she had no clue as to the hunters, criminals are hunters and they're out there looking for prey. And so when the police do these cases, it's time and time again. You get so many cases that end up tragically, you have so many cases that end up tragically compared to cases that end up successfully, where you reunite a parent and a child and everybody's happy. And everybody goes, "Woo, thank goodness, it's too many times, it just weighs on you and weighs on you and it makes it tough to be a parent when you come home and you see that." And that chief looks like he'd been up for like 48 hours straight. He looked like, you know, this is killing him to say what he's going to say, but he's probably said it before, he's going to have to say it again. And this is where when, you know, you take off the uniform, you bang your head against the wall, you try to go home and try to have a normal life. Absolutely. Jikki, I have three granddaughters, 15, 11 and 10. This gives me nightmares. Yeah. Thank goodness they all live in this country. No stores to sneak out to walk to, but other evil could cross their paths. Jett said, "J, thanks for the replay, okay, now I know it's non-government organization, but what kind of non-government organizations, I don't know what they are on what they do. Mike, I think you just explained that, right? Yeah. They tend to be, they tend to be quote-unquote charitable organizations and the term charitable organization under like state law, like New York state law and maybe Texas law. Their organizations that donate a certain percentage of the proceeds has to be like a minimum of like 25%, you know, to charitable works and they help feed the homeless, you know, like for instance, tunnels to towers, you know, some of these other famous ones you see, you know, that they are, they are, they are charities and they're legit, but there's so many of them that are probably funded by other groups that aren't really legit. They're out there for the money and they're taking handouts from the government, state and local governments and there's really no follow-up. There's no government, federal government or state person go around inspecting them. There's no way for these people who run these quote-unquote charities and NGOs to really have the ability to figure out who's in the country because they're not doing the vetting. They don't have the manpower, the power, the expertise or the connections to do it. Their organizations that are set up by people supposedly do good charitable works and they get funds and they get grants and they get, you know, people donate to them. But, you know, you don't like a lot of other places. You don't really know where the money's going or how it's spent and there's very little oversight of these, these ones. Oh, TD Lewis, this is our new acting chief of police Larry Satterwhite, 30 plus years on force. Great man. TD Lewis, I guess you live in Houston or maybe you're even part of the Houston police force because you used the, this is our new acting chief. So maybe you just live in Houston, but he seems like a hell of a guy. He seems like he's really involved in this case. Reality with Krista Marie, what is happening out in the world? So many people just losing their minds and doing awful vicious things. Well, they've always been out there, you know, and that's why we have the police. Miss Violet, NGO followed the money, so said correct need before we control and monitor who they are helping. Absolutely. Let me go back to the table. Water. So that's the hard work that they did. We asked for the public's help and the public came through too. People stepped up. People called and we are still asking for more help from the public for anybody that might have seen something or might know something however small to reach out to us. And I'll have homicide, give you the numbers, Lieutenant Hope would give you the numbers on who to call for that. You can even call anonymously, but we really need all the help from all the public and how and to make sure that we have the very best solid case. So these individuals do not get released back into the field, back into the public where they could hurt other people. So that is my ask of you. About an hour ago, I talked to Ms. Nangari. I'll let the Jocelyn's mother, Alexis, she being very brave, but she is still devastated. Her little girl is gone. And now they're trying to figure out what, how to take care of her and to arrange funeral arrangements and then and try to heal for something you really can't heal from. And we understand that because we all, many of us have kids and cannot imagine the pain that they're going through. So I ask you to still pray for them immensely. They're going through a really trying time. And as Houstonians and this public, I know that we have fantastic people here. We need praying for the Nangari family. I want to turn it over to the mayor to make a few comments and then followed by that, we'll have Lieutenant Hope to give you more details on the investigation and how it's played out thus far, the things that we can share, but please understand there are still things we cannot share for the purposes of the investigation. I know you all understand that. And then we're going to deliver this in Spanish with Commander Garcia who will offer comments in Spanish and then we'll take questions from there. You know, I don't want to skip the I want to go right to the to the homicide Lieutenant because I mean, although the mayor's good, I just think he's going to really just come on here and thank a lot of people. Before I go to that, Kim Allison, thank you so much. She just gifted one police off the cuff membership. Thank you so much. And because of you guys gift in these memberships, that is why the membership of police off the cuff is growing so much and we appreciate all you guys. Heather, Soros Rex, thank you for the 199 super sticker. Very much appreciate it. Anything you guys can contribute to this show, we 100% appreciate. Patty, immigration officers don't have the manpower or resources to follow these people. They should be the ones to follow this. The charity is just there to make sure no one stops. Patty, you're right, but we're a rich country. We have the money to have the manpower to do this job correctly. Our government chooses not to and that's the sad thing and they're going to run out of excuses when these murders keep happening on such a seemingly regular basis. And I don't want to hear about manpower and I don't mean to address this at you. I mean to address it to our government officials or elected officials. You don't have the manpower and hire them. When you talk to anyone who works for Border Patrol or Homeland Security, their hands are tied behind their back. The government is holding them back from doing their job and that's why we're seeing murders like this happen. It's seeming like on a regular basis. Alita Petty, this is the issue of people of the right to be crazy now. They're coming here due to the lack of it. It's so sad. People want to help uninvited and this is how they repay us. Unfortunately, yes, let me go back to the video. This is going to be the homicide lieutenant from Houston. This has been filed. Now we want the justice system to do its job. If there was ever a circumstance where you do not give someone bail, this is it. There are circumstances allowed that you can prevent bail. Taking consideration flight risk. Taking considerations, the severity of this crime. I'm going to be monitoring the court system. I want these suspects to have their day in court. I want to be held accountable and I want it done sooner than later. That said, I'll yield to Lieutenant Hope who has really led and very effective investigation. Thank you, sir. That's for you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, everyone, for being here today. Yes, ma'am. My name is Stephen Hope, S-T-E-P-H-E-N, last name Hope, H-O-P-E. So I'm here today because our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this case since the discovery of Jocelyn by a citizen on the morning of June 17, 2024. Because of the assistance of the area of community and surveillance video that our officers have tirelessly tracked down and other evidence theory pieces, we have found and learned that the suspects began their evening at a Northboro area restaurant together. They left that restaurant on foot southbound. The suspects continued south and were first seen on a camera and those are images that we released to you, to all of you and to the public. Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few minutes while they were on Kirkendall. Later, the suspects and the victim walked together to a convenience store and those images were also released to you guys and the public. After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge where ultimately Jocelyn was murdered. Suspects continue south towards their residence after leaving Jocelyn there. I want to thank the media for their assistance in greatly and broadly releasing the images of the suspects. I want to thank all the witnesses who have been brave, coming forward, talking to the police and giving us the information that we needed to identify these suspects. So that on this morning, Thursday, June 20th, officers with the Houston SWAT team, gang division, north belt division and homicide did a coordinated operation. At 13, 355 Northboro Drive, the Canfield Lake Apartments and there we were able to find the two suspects detained them, transport them back here to Travis for questioning. While there, CSU continued to process their locations searching for more evidence which they have found. The suspects are now facing charges of capital murder, one being Johann Jose Ron Hill Martinez, the second male being Franklin Jose Binyadaromo's. It's because of the hard work of my police officers, the teams, the media and the community at large that we were able to do this, and I'm very proud of everyone who was involved. Thank you. So that is the report given from, that's the Houston homicide lieutenant actually. He looks like a really young guy, a little baby faced guy, but I'm sure he's very confident at his job because look at the results, the results speak for themselves. And you know, we spoke about before how these investigations they put together, a lot of it is using video and they were able to track back to a restaurant where they earlier were drinking shots of whatever alcohol they were drinking. And then at some convenience store they ran into 12 year old Jocelyn Nengare, and we all know the results of that. And just absolutely a horrific case. Phoebe, thank you so much, gifted five police off the cuff memberships. Thank you so much. Very much appreciate it. Elaine Mackenzie, thank you for the 10 pounds that is with AF to me. I can't say that AF, we all know what that means. To me that people who do these heinous crimes go about doing normal things before and after the crimes. Isn't that, isn't that unbelievable? Isn't that incredible? They'll sleep like a baby. We used to have the test in the New York City Police Department, and this has absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever. But we would always say that when you arrested a pimp and you put him in the cell if he went right to sleep, he's guilty. And we was like, we should film that. We should film that and send that to the jury. But that's there's no scientific basis behind that at all. But most people when arrested, it's an event that's they're very not proud of and it's an event that they're really upset about and they couldn't sleep if their life depended on it. But people that get arrested all the time and are criminals, they go right to sleep because they have no, there's no conscience involved in it and there's no emotion involved in it. This is just part of everyday life. Billy, I said many times years ago back in Manhattan in the Bronx, I'd much rather lock up a very experienced pimp than a first-time pimp. First-time pimp is scared and full of energy and ready to fight. The old-time pimp, they know you're going to lock them up, they're going to go to night court, they're going to be out in 18, 24 hours, they know that, you know, it makes it easier when you start to roll their prints because the guy who's first-timer, he's all scared, he's pissed off from a language and his fingers are tight. But when you get a guy who's been around, you know, he's helping you roll his prints correctly. You know, it's just, that's the way it goes, that's the criminal justice. There are people, that's what they do, they're criminals. This isn't like a one-off for these guys. I'm sure they have done all kinds of things and maybe in their home country, they might have been facing similar charges. Right now, they're facing death penalty because Ms. Nangare is under 15 and that makes her a child under Texas law. So therefore, they came here and they hit a grand slam right out of the bath. They were only there three weeks and that's what they did. So hopefully, they will never be allowed to ever hurt anyone ever again, either in their own country or in our country. Absolutely. Sherry Wilson, I doubt prison will even change their ways, said, Sherry, you know, prison changes no one's way, it's really, what it's prison is for is to punish you, you know. And maybe when you get out and maybe when you're properly punished, maybe you may see the Lord, maybe you may see the light, but for the most part, it's not rehabilitation, it's punishment. And if there is no punishment, what will stop someone or dissuade someone from committing crime or leaving a life of crime unless there is punishment? And unfortunately, there's a whole movement out there that's called decarceral policies, it simply means that the powers that be don't want to incarcerate criminals. They find some other way and it's not punishment. So how are you going to change their behavior? Mike, your thoughts. Billy, you release them, you give them an ankle bracelet, you give them an appointment with somebody, maybe who works at an NGO, some sort of charitable organization that will like a halfway house that will help them. Want to teach your kids financial literacy, but not sure where to start? Greenlight can help. With Greenlight, parents can keep an eye on kids' spending and saving, while kids and teens use a card of their own to build money confidence. As a parent, you can send instant money transfers, set up chores, automate allowance, and more. It's a convenient way to run your household, customized to your family's needs. 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I think the number in Connecticut, if you go out three years, there's like a 66% failure rate. In Connecticut, I saw statistics, you go out five years. It's like a 75 to 80% failure rate. They're back in the system. It's a system that they figure out how to play because that's what they do, they're perps. You know, they're punished, but in some ways, they actually, an crime actually pays for them before they get caught and after they get caught because they can go into a system and they can work the system from the inside and when they're outside, there's more choices. It might be more dangerous out on the out on the street. Cops might be after them, other gang members might be after them. They're in a facility, they can get healthcare, some minor healthcare, things like that, get three hots in a cot, you know, sometimes life is easier. The idea that we're going to release people like this and try to turn them, oh yeah, one out of every 20 you release, maybe, but honestly, it's not a good use, don't bet on someone being successful. You might as well just go to Las Vegas and lose your money that way because it's not working. James C, I had to do social work with ex-cons and an internship. They admit they want to go back to the prison where they get fed and have free shelters so they purposely go commit a horrible crime. That's- That's right, James C. It's a horrible. That's absolutely horrible. Yeah. Yeah, but it happens to be, there's some truth to that. The Laura's Clayborne, there's an assumption and a presupposition that people don't commit crimes because of fear of punishment, also presupposition of existence of free will. I'm not sure what you mean by that. I mean, don't- Well, I've seen it. People don't commit crimes because they fear punishment. Do you don't think people fear the death penalty, which is actually on the table in this case? These two guys, there's an underlying crime also we believe besides the fact that the victim's 12 years old. No, criminal is absolutely something. When I was a cop, people feared us and I like that. They need to fear the police. This whole community bullshit, like, you know, and of course, you want to be nice to people in the community that aren't criminals, but criminals should fear the police. Absolutely 100%. I know I can take some heat for saying that, but I believe that. I was an anti-crime cop for six and a half years. Talk about fear. Criminals knew who we were and they knew we were the best of the best. So they were like, "Oh shit, they used to call this DTs, even though we were detectives, but we were cops in plain clothes." That's what you need. You don't need criminals thinking cops fear them. It should be the other way around. Mike? Yeah. Policing is law enforcement. If you could help people, you know, on the side, great, but the whole idea of community policing where the police will join with the public to stop, you know, to help deter criminals and by holding everyone's going to have our, you know, hold hands and have our kumbaya moment. You know, some of that stuff might work in some ways when you try to work with the police, the sanitation, the fire, building inspectors to help, you know, with tenements and things like that in your neighborhood. But to have people just walk around, I remember community policing in the four-six and when it first started, yeah, the cops were sitting there. You had to talk to like 20 people a day, write their names, yeah, the cops were spending more time writing up, you know, writing a log of all the community people they talked to every single day just to make their quota. It was ridiculous. They don't want you out there making an arrest or harassing somebody because once you make the arrest, you're off your post the rest of the day. They want you just out there, walk around like a, like a, like a, like a move, a moving mannequin. You know, like, sometimes it doesn't work. Like a used car salesman, just go out there and you know, right. First in '66 in Germany, the government also let everybody in without any background checking. And the immigrants are allowed to stay even if they commit crimes such as murder. Wow. It seems like it's an international problem these days with the same philosophy, this decarceral philosophy. I even had a, I interviewed a politician recently and he spit out the thing saying, "Oh, Russia and China have less people incarcerated than the United States does." And we, the democratic country have 20% of the incarcerated prisons in the, in the entire world. I said, "Yeah." So what are you trying to say? Like that we actually punish people and other countries don't. And I really, what I wanted to say was the reason Russia and China have many people in the country is because they just get rid of the people, they kill them if they keep committing crimes. I mean, they're never going to say that. There's no numbers to report that. But believe me, you think the Soviet Union, Russia, or it's not even the Soviet Union anymore, Russia is going to put up with criminals. And I think not. And if you saw their prisons, criminals should fear to go to their prisons. Mike. Yeah, they, they will take you and stick you so far out in the middle of Siberia in an unheated cell, you'll freeze to death, boy, those will shoot you. You won't, no, there's got to come in a report, there's not going to be any, you know, notice you're just gone. So that's it. They take you and you are gone. You vanish off the face of the earth. Your family knows that. Everybody knows it. That's the way it goes. And it doesn't seem to be too much dissent that is allowed in that country to change things. So, you know, they have their old way of doing things, whether people think it works or not. But it's very different from our, we're trying to be dignified, we're trying to, we try to have multiple goals rather than one goal of severe punishment, swift, certain punishment. We're trying to do everything in, in include, you can't do it. It's kind of, it's like you're putting together a salad of all kinds of different things rather than just have one thing is punishment. You're trying to do all of these different things, all these different goals that really are mutually exclusive and that really don't work well together. Absolutely. Kirsten, I guess this is part two of your message. If they commit crimes, the German government do not send the immigration back to their home because God forbid they can get hurt there. The human rights counts more than human rights of victims. Kirsten, you know, you're preaching to the choir. It seems like the rights of citizens that pay taxes and go about their life without committing crimes are lesser as then to a criminal's rights to commit crimes and just not be incarcerated for it. Billy, yeah, it's, it's really terrible that Germany, I don't mean to pick on anybody, but just from what I'm hearing that they do not want to send back a criminal because they fear for that criminal's safety in another country. Isn't that kind of bizarre, that the people who are paying taxes, the people who are legally, the people who are citizens, the people who vote, who obey the laws and who are, and this is their country, that they are second-class citizens in their own country. We've seen this in Denmark, Italy, Germany, we're seeing it in France, we see it in Ireland, we see it in Sweden, you know, it is a destabilizing influence, this unbedded immigration across boundaries is a destabilizing influence in different countries, different societies because you have people who are mismatched with the culture in which they're moving to totally. You know, Mike, someone devon rex lady just said, look at what's happening in Sweden and you know, a lot of these countries, they were like, you know, oh, come in, come in and then they realized, whoa, what the hell did we just do? Because, you know, when there's an old expression, when in Rome, do is the Romans, but you know, something if you don't do is the Romans, what's going to happen to you? And some of these people coming into these countries, they don't want to assimilate. They want to bring their culture and have their culture take over the culture of the country they just moved into. And some countries are learning that the hard way. And I think we, the United States will learn that the hard way also. And as again, I will repeat, I'm 100% for immigration if it's legal. Billie, it's also happening in, as one someone pointed out in the chat, Australia, a wonderful country and it's being destroyed the same way. You cannot do this, people should, you have people from one culture, one view of life, one religion and they come to another country, they don't even want to try to assimilate with the language, the culture of the host country. They want to establish their own independent country from their old country into that new country. It's not working out because they don't respect the laws of the country, that's the host country. And it doesn't work, we've tried this, we've seen this, it's not like, well, let's just try this for one time only and see how it works. No, it's been tried and it doesn't work, we see it, we've seen it for the last decade. And people and countries all over the world are paying the price, Western countries, Western democracies are paying the price for these insane ideological choices that put ideology over the common sense and safety of the tax paying voters and the citizens of that country. It's beyond shocking that people don't know how this is going to end when you do this. We all know how this ends. Absolutely. ATS News, I don't know what you mean by 100% but you look good saying it so I put you up on the screen. I guess you agree with what we're saying anyway. So I got to listen to your podcast one of these days but thank you for stopping by and being a frequent flyer on this show. It's a very difficult situation because many people are fleeing bad situations in their country and that's fine if they want to come here but again, come here legally and that's not therefore our country policies are bad and we need to change these policies. I want to play one more little news brief here. She no longer has her daughter alive but today this afternoon, hours ago, Houston Police and Houston Mayor John Whitmire gave horrific details of the crime scene that they saw when they found 12-year-old Jocelyn's body here near this creek. Now we know that two Hispanic men are now being charged with capital murder. I agree that the gentlemen that were in these surveillance videos that they have been found and they've been caught and they've been taken in for questioning it. It was the greatest news to hear this morning to be woken up with. The last few days have been surreal for Alexis Nungari and her family. Her 12-year-old daughter Jocelyn was strangled at her body left in the creek. It's just like still doesn't register, just I can't believe it's her and it'll take some sinking in. In a multi-division operation led by Houston Police, 21-year-old Johan Jose Rangel Martinez and 26-year-old Franklin Jose Fingaramos, both Venezuelan natives, are now charged with capital murder. Charge has been filed. Now we want the justice system to do its job. If there is ever a circumstance where you do not give someone bail, this is it. Investigators do not go into specifics on how the suspects and Jocelyn met or how Jocelyn died, only offering that those details are still being investigated but they have submitted for a sexual assault kit to be completed. Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few minutes while they were on Kirkendall. Later the suspects and the victim walked together to a convenience store. After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge where ultimately Jocelyn was murdered. Police say the men have been cooperative and so has a family of Jocelyn's 13-year-old boyfriend who was the last to speak to her on the phone. Alexis says if she could have that night back, she would have hugged her daughter and never let go. I want to stay up with her. I would have just lacked sleep. I want to have gave her the pickiest hug, the biggest hug. And I just probably wouldn't have let go. Now the immigration status of the two suspects are known at this time but we're reaching out to federal authorities to get confirmation if they are here legally or illegally once we have that information we'll be updating it. Well we actually know that they're here illegally. This was an early report. So just absolutely again, what more can we say about how horrific this case is, Mike? Yeah Billy, there's no excuses for what they did, there's no justification. This is a 12-year-old girl who didn't even make it to be a teenager and she's taken from her mother and her mom, as you can see, she's in shock. I mean she referred to them I think as gentlemen because she's so in shock she can't even get like anger right now is just all shock. She'll feel that soon but there's no closure on this, there's no healing, there's no getting over it as a parent, I have three children, you have two boys, three girls, could you imagine how you would feel, there's no way to describe the depth as a parent, the depth of your grief. You can't get over that, that will be a whole in your life forever. So say a prayer with an ungarry family and keep them close. Absolutely, Dolores Clayborn from the chat, in my opinion, I don't think of us as their first victim, the crime was too blatant perhaps, blase in my opinion, Dolores you're 100% right and as I said these countries are not giving their best and their brightest to us, giving us their worst and because we don't vet them and investigate them at the border, this is what we're getting, it's not going to stop unless the law stops because even law enforcement is discouraged from doing their job and it's really horrific for the population, for the tax payers, for the voters, that this is the policy of our government, just absolutely horrific. Jacqueline Shock is the first stage after you lose your child, it helps a lot, I mean I can't even imagine it's just absolutely horrific. Jet said Jay, what year after year after year we complain it there's no terminology yet it still goes on, this is the core of some of the problems, I don't think Jet said Jay, I agree with you but I don't think we can really get into the politics of it other than that these laws have to change because it seems that every week someone is getting murdered, roll a girl 808, I wouldn't be surprised if they offered to work a home and preyed upon her. That's probably... Yeah that's a possibility you know, absolutely. Heather Saurus Rex, I can't even imagine how horribly surreal that would be especially being interviewed while attempting to process everything, yes just absolutely horrendous. The juicy tomato, yes it is, it illegals again, yes it is, absolutely. So Donna Douglas, our president cares more, well again I don't want to get into the deep politics of it, but you know look I think we wanted to cover this from an investigative standpoint and also from the standpoint of what is happening and why law enforcement has a real problem at the other end of this because they're not blocking them from coming in so then law enforcement winds up dealing with it on the other end. Mike we're going to do a final thoughts time so I just want you to give your final thoughts. Hopefully that people suggest keep faith in the Houston Police Department, they've done a great job, let Texas justice prevail here and hopefully the citizenry Ms. Nangari and her family will see justice and the community will see justice, whatever that is. And so hopefully justice will be swift and certain in this case. 100% folks, I want to thank everyone for tuning in this evening, we thought that we would bring you this case, this is police off the cuff for real crime stories, again thank you for tuning in and we'll see you the next time, God bless. Hey parents, Greenlight is here to take one big thing off your to-do list, teaching your kids about money. With a Greenlight debit card and money app of their own, kids and teens learn to earn, save and invest, you can send money instantly, set flexible controls and get real time notifications of your kids money activity, set up chores and put allowance on autopilot to reward them for their hard work, then learn about the world of money together, get one month free when you sign up at greenlight.com/podcast. [BLANK_AUDIO]