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Give it a try at midmobile.com/save, whatever you're ready. $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first three month plan only. Taxes and fees extra. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes of CD-Tails. [MUSIC] Hey, everybody, how you doing? Well, that's good. Welcome to PHLY Flyers. My name is Bill Matts. I'm your director of fun and games on this beautiful F Around Friday. Joining me virtually today is not only Philadelphia's number one hockey beat reporter Charlie O'Connor, but we also have Broad Street Hockey Zone, Kelly Hinkle. Howdy. What's going on today, fam? You guys, I want you guys to know that Bill didn't tell me we were remote today and I went to the studio. I made it back here. We did. That happened. I keep saying literally anyone else should be in charge of this, all the logistical stuff, but apparently I'm the only one. So here we are. Luckily, Kelly got home and plenty of time to join us virtually. And yeah, listen, if I'm in charge, there's going to be issues. It's Friday, baby. Yeah, it's F Around Friday. And the thing is, Kelly told me with plenty of notice that she was going to be available today, and they told us on like Monday or Tuesday, we were going to be remote. And I never put these two things together. But here we, yeah, this payback for me texting you in the middle of Frankie's wedding that I was going to do a show on Monday. Like I responded and told you to come and that I had no idea that you were going to be there until you showed up on Monday. Nevertheless, here we are on this beautiful F Around Friday. And you know, all week here at PHly and throughout all city, it's been a rank week. We were tasked with coming up with a top 10 list of the best flyers games. And they put together then from that, a top 25 list of all the best games, most memorable games in Philadelphia since 1980 today. Since we did most of the, you know, good stuff yesterday, I decided to take it in another direction, we're going to talk about some of the worst games in flyers, history, stuff that just honestly made us the way we are. You know, we often talk about why every flyers fan we encounter is out of their fucking minds. And honestly, it's, it shouldn't, it shouldn't be a question to you, like even with the good games we went through, like considering it started in 1980, it's like, Oh, well, that's when they stopped winning cups. It's all like, oh, they want a game six to force a game seven. And then, and then they lost game seven. Yeah, like, you know, there's a whole lot of that. Oh, they want a game seven in the second round. So, but you know, those were some pretty good highlights that we've been through. But before we get to the bad stuff, Kelly wasn't able to join us yesterday when we went through the top 10 list. I just wanted to get your thoughts on the top 10 list is 2010, like game seven against Boston. That's it. Right. I mean, for us, unfortunately, yeah, like that was the pinnacle for us. That was the most fun I've ever had as a flyers fan that season. And that game was the most fun that I had during that incredibly fun run. Like there's just, unfortunately, until they went a cup, I don't know how we're topping that one. Yeah. It's tough. It's about the Stanley Cup game three where Drew wins it in overtime. It's the first Stanley Cup final game in our lifetime first Stanley Cup final win in our lifetimes. And it's like, it's just like, yeah, you know, if they had won, maybe that's number two on the list. But since that's it, you know, they win that they win game four and then they lose the next two. Well, yeah, it was good, but I can't really say it's the most memorable game, even though it's a Stanley Cup final game. And then the other one I want to talk to you about Kelly was game six against the penguins, the, uh, Drew shift, the hit, the goal. That's Claude, Drew's defining mode, like, yeah, when, when his number gets retired, that's how, that's how his highlight video ends. Like it's that and then the standing ovation, right? Yeah, that's, that's kind of, I think, when Drew cemented himself as like the guy for this generation of flyers fans. Like that was the moment where it was like, yes, our guy fucked up their guy and their guy is supposed to be the best guy in the whole world. This rules like it was a. That was it. One more thing. I know I just said that was the last thing, but, uh, so many things, 2000. This was another I continued this argument with Gargano this morning. And I just, I need more people on my side because they all chose the five overtime game. If you were to, if you had to like rank them one, two, the five overtime game in 2000 or game six against the lightning, uh, God, yeah, you know, T, which is, which is number one. Yeah, you were right. And Charlie, I think I think it was Charlie that made the point on yesterday show that the five overtime game was more of like a sports event than a flyers fan event. The game that the game six is ours. Like that, that was our game. And so like we're making a list of flyers games for flyers fans. Like you're, you're correct. Yeah, it's just like it's an elimination game. It's the conference final versus the semi final. It's the last home game for Ronik, Reki and the Claire, like, I don't know. That's an epic game. That is an all like, that is an era defining game for two generations, really. Like that, the guys who were around for the pre 2000s and that whole era and then Simone Gagne, who carries it post lockout, like, I don't know. That's like the glue of two different eras in my mind. But all right, we've done all this stuff. We've talked about it over the last couple of days. Now it is time to get to some of the worst games and flyers history. And it being up around Friday, like I put at the top, you know, like 10 worst. I don't know if there's 10. I don't know if we rank them. I'm just going to talk about some shit moments for us as fans and let's see if we can relive, relive, go back and erase some of the trauma with laughter. No, this is just, this is group commiseration to be clear. Like truly, this is group therapy. We're all going to get through it together. I do want to point something out though, because Lyndon 49, I think pointed out that no games from the 70s, we were told going into this that it starts in 1980. Yeah. So that was not, that was not an unintended, it was on an unintentional mess up. Like the 70s games were not applicable for the list. That was the, the parameters we were given. So really if we're saying best or worst flyers games, ever, it's really best or worst flyers games since 1980 because obviously the stand, the first Stanley Cup would have been the biggest game ever to be sure. Yeah. Without a doubt. They won two cups. They went to three. They beat the Red Army in 76, like all that shit is like that. Those might be the top three games in franchise history, but they're all pre 1980. So they were not, they, they were not eligible to make the list. It is. Someone in, someone in the chat asking that I'm not old enough to remember the bullies. I don't look 60. Not at all. No, not old. No. Remember the bullies. Jesus Christ. We were all born into lady. We were all. Mid to late eighties. We are millennials. God damn it. Yeah. Give me a break. Cause she's all right. So we talked to, I just mentioned game six against the penguins in 2012, Claude Drew's defining moment. But we got to talk about something that happened and like listen, honestly, like three games from that series could have been eligible for the list like game one, the comeback, Danny Brier off sides, game three, just a fucking shit show, like it was, it wasn't even hockey. It was flapshot. Like it was, it was, it was nonsense. That game three and then the Shay Weber, I think it was Zetterberg head off the glass. That's when the league was like, ah, shit, we've let this get out of control. We have to start suspending people because they were only finding people until then. And then it's like, okay, now this is pro wrestling. But anyway, game four of that 2012 series against Pittsburgh fliers going for the sweep. They had a three to lead with four minutes left in the first period. They lose 10 to three, 10 to three. Jordan Stahl has a hat trick. Stahl, Crosby and Malkin all have three points. The thing I remember about this is, um, I went to, uh, to Xfinity for the first time for this game, uh, went outside, went outside to smoke, couldn't get back in because it was so packed, but they had the big TV on outside. So we all watched it there and like a light rain. And that was right after the fliers had that rib place they loved in Pittsburgh and then they wouldn't serve them like after game two or three or something. So they come back to Philly and, uh, Frankie bomb bomb, his family's restaurant has amazing ribs. They drop off ribs to the team and then they go on to lose 10 three and like they're fucking bad, bad luck ribs, dude. I don't know what to tell you. This is your fault. This is your fault. But that's, uh, that's what I always take away from that game for and that this game was, was bad, but I definitely would not put this in a top 10 because like they were, they were up three. Oh, yeah. This game was bad. They, they blow the chance of the sweep and they lose game five and then you start thinking, Oh God, are they going to blow this whole thing, especially given how fun the first three games were, but they win the series. And this then just kind of becomes a, wow, they really, they really show that game for a way that was bad rather than being something that you're actually angry about. So like this was, this is a bad game, but going by what else we have in this outline, there are so many worst games in this one. And this is, this is a, this is a bad game that at this point you can laugh at because of if they had lost the series, like no one's laughing, but because they didn't, it's kind of like you idiots. How did you lose 10 to three when you were 10, three, no, it's a, you've very much, you very much just get to go L.O.L. Brizz. I don't know. Yeah. Right. We have an example. Yeah. Yeah. Like it also, like games four and five losing those and losing game four, 10 to three, like really the, like how necessary that Jerusalem shift was in game six, like, yeah, okay, they went in six. Oh, it wasn't that bad. Like they held them off, but they're up three O and if that game goes a different way, suddenly you're blowing a three O lead and you're going, you're going to Pittsburgh. You're going to Pittsburgh too. You're going to Pittsburgh for game seven. And it's, it's still Crosby and Malkin, like they're better than whoever we have. Like, you know, Crosby and Malkin, yes, this is, this is them in 2012. Like, so it was, it like makes game six, I think more important, but now you just kind of get to look back and go, they gave up 10 goals in a playoff game in a series that they were up three nothing. They had not lost. They scored eight goals in games two and three. And then they give up 10, it just absolutely freakin silly. But now I guess these are, these might be their way up there. If we were going to rank them two games against the devils in 2000, we'll start with game five. They lose to the devils for one at home. The flyers came in leading the series three one chance to close it out. And for all the people who are always, Oh, Flynn draws doesn't come back. We would have won. Why didn't they win this one? They're at home against the devils leading three one in the series. Why not put them away here? No, you lost for one. They needed Lindross back, but classic bro door game stopped 20 of 21. Yeah. Gives up one, gives up one great gamer, 21 shots on goal in a, in a close out game at home. The flyers were able to record this was, this was the embarrassing one like out of, out of the three games they lost to lose the series. This was the embarrassing one because you had it, you had it like you, you'd won three straight games, you had all the momentum, you're at home. This was the game you had to win and they obviously lose it. They just, and if I remember, I mean, I was very, I was very young. I guess I was 11 when this game, when this game happened. But I remember thinking like they just don't have it tonight and it's weird. And you're, and you're like, given how well they played the previous three games, how do they just not have like, do they just think that, ah, well, we got three shots, we'll get it done. Like this was your shot. It was. And you know, it's the other two games were competitive, but this one was just like, they just laid an egg at the worst possible time. And even though the four to one score doesn't seem, you know, embarrassing at first glance, given the opportunity in front of them, like, this is the game you look back on. And you say, what were you even doing? Yeah. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. 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Was this or was it Game 7 the first time they broke out Kate Smith and Lauren Hart duet? Ooh, I do not remember. I think it was this one, but it might have been Game 7, like that would make a ton of sense. But I know I'm almost positive it was this series in one of these two games. And of course, after they lose this game, Lindross comes back for Game 6 scores. In my mind twice, I was convinced for years that the first goal Lindross scored that was taken off the board because it went in after the buzzer. I was convinced for years, there was still time on the clock. And then of course, you know, YouTube comes around and you can find it. Yeah, it was like a second and a half, two seconds after like, shouldn't it count? But still, I believe he scored twice in that game and they only score the one goal Lindross. But it was all his fault to set up a Game 7. And this is maybe if not for the Black Hawks game, we'll obviously get to that at some point. Maybe the low point, like the worst game in franchise history of my life. Yes. Lindross Lindross gets knocked the fuck out. You officially blow the three one lead lose Game 7. That's it. Patrick Elliott scores with two and a half minutes left in the third. It's one one all the way to the other. All right. Game seven going overtime. Oh, not shit. They win. Fuck. Yeah, they all shot. They all shot the devil's 27 to 18, like it's not this game is not a game where like they didn't show up. And the fact that they, the fact that they kept pushing even after Lindross gets essentially like dragged off the ice, like that could have shell shock them and they kept pushing. It's just they were facing one of the best goalies of the era and they couldn't beat them. This is what makes that game five so bad that this like the only reason Lindross came back is because you couldn't close it out. And if they had closed it out, our entire lives could be different, like everything could be different. And instead, like the worst thing ever happened that's game five, like as bad as seven is, like game five, the way you lost all that, like that's franchise altar. Like there's no Stevens hit if there's no game seven, like right, maybe Lindross comes back for the final and then they fucking win and it's a whole different world. Like, yeah, you can go on to win this cup who they beat Dallas, I think, like God damn it. They could they beat out yet. I hadn't even thought of that until just now, Kelly, like if they just win that game five, all they had to do was win it. God damn it. Who knows? The whole life, like there's a there's a good change more criminal, like everything could have changed if they had just won that friggin game. So here's here's one thing I want to bring up because I was I was refreshing my memory about this season and oh my God, like, like this this season from June through Lindross getting structured off the ice, like this was two decades worth of awful, the compressed into like 13 months, it was so like, okay, and just like there was just so much shit, like it kicks off and just going back to your it kicks off with something truly terrible that happens in July of 1999, when to meet your church, he dies in a boating accident. So it's like, okay, like you're losing an exciting young prospect in the most tragic way possible. So like you get you have that happen, then you have the head coach Roger Nielsen gets cancer, and you have that whole thing where he's recovering from cancer and that isn't allowed to come back. And like the organization is fighting with the cancer stricken coach. So that's going on. They trade Brenda Moore for Premo Lindross is and this is started the previous season, but it escalates this year, he starts openly feuding with Bob Clark because Clark starts calling him out for the top the toughness on the concussions, you know, the previous season, they almost let the guy die because they misdiagnosed the long, and this just becomes the two just take his shots of each other. They they they stripped the sea off Lindross this season, like there was just so much stuff. And then somehow this team keeps winning until it ends the way it ends like this was in this like 14 month period, this was like a lifetime's worth of crap. How did we make it through that like how are we still fans of the team after you imagine can you imagine that Twitter can you imagine if Twitter existed during this night, I don't even want to have made it I don't even want to think about what that would be like because like, man, think about like the Claude Giroux defenses now like it's just like, yeah, he's better than you think he was, you know, back then it was like, yeah, Lindross, he's he's a little bitch. Like, yeah, right, like, no, man, he just keeps getting hit in the head, dying a bathtub. Yeah, nothing. It's a problem. He's got a punctured lung. He's got three concussions like, I don't know. It seems as if he just has some really, really bad luck, like I cannot imagine what the Twitter wars would have been like back then. But yeah, that's Jesus. I was gonna say, well, hockey shot at the time, because I'm a real one and I can tell you great. Yeah, I remember the right. This was a horrible light. 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I would also like to remember for a second, the, the subplot of this game being that current pro hockey writers association president Frank Seravali giving Ray Emory the third star because he beat up Braden Holtby. Oh my god. The best part about that was how little Braden Holtby wanted to do with that fight. Like he did not want to do it. He knew what was going to happen. No, he just had to do it in any other context. That's like, oh, but it's hockey. So you're allowed. And just the best part of that is hope he's being like, no, and Emory going cover up, bro. I don't care. I don't care. You better cover up. Like that's all just like get your hands up. I just had to include this one because I got called a goon this morning for including the 419 penalty minutes game on, on our list. And I'm looking at myself. I'm looking at myself in the, in the camera going. Yeah. I mean, you kind of, that's, that is what I'm going for, I think. Yeah. I would say this one definitely would not make like a top 10 because look, it's, it's obviously bad. They lost seven nothing. And I guess if you are someone who is very anti fighting, this would be an embarrassing game because it's like the only good thing about a good thing is that Ray Emory beat the crap and have a guy who didn't want to fight. However, I would say that most flyers fans, despite the fact this is a seven nothing game, look back on this one pretty fun because you have the Emory fight and then you have the fact that they turn around their season right after it, whether the Emory fight was the reason or whether that was just like random chance. I don't know. But the fact of the matter is, is that after this game, they played better. So this is, this may have been a bad game in isolation, but I don't think any fan would call this a bad game looking back. No, in fact, we got more than one suggestion of putting this on the other list, the best game list when I was soliciting answers for that one. And I was just like, you know, they did lose seven nothing. So I just wanted to be taught, I wanted to be able to talk about something that's more funny than like tragic as the 2000 season, just was absolutely fucking heartbreaking. Now we, yeah, now we move on to maybe the most embarrassing playoff series loss of my lifetime. Yeah, this one was awful. The flyers set a record in the 2002 playoffs. They lose the game, they lose the series in five to the Ottawa senators. They score two goals. Two. They won game one. They won game one won nothing in overtime. And I believe they scored one goal in game five. And that was it. That was a game. We're going to look at game four against the senators, a three nothing loss. They're third straight three nothing loss in the series to fall to three one. Absolutely insane. But I'm fairly certain that this game four is the game where check Monica came out of his net and just started yelling at the fucking team for check monic. He this, yeah, yeah, this, this was just a like this might have been the low point, but it's be at least, you know, I don't know, because the Lindross stuff was so low as well of this era. But you think back. So they get shut out three straight games. They they go out as underwhelmingly as there's really humanly possible in the series. In the, in the midst of that, you have check monic turning on the skaters. You have the entire team turning on Bill Barber. Like this was, this was sheer embarrassment on all levels. Like this was an organization in absolute chaos. And the vibes were as toxic as they could possibly get. Everything basically from game five against the devils in 2000 like really everything after the Stanley Cup final like after they beat the Rangers at 97 up until like that 2004 run created a situation where we get to look back on those teams and those players fondly. And it's like everything from the final series of 97 up until like 03 was an embarrassment. Like an absolute, like an underwhelming, underachieving embarrassment. And they like were able to erase it all in, you know, for at least somewhat by having the playoff run and by having that series that they had. But this one, the two, the back to back Ottawa series in 02 and 03 were pretty much as bad as it gets. Like just embarrassing. Yeah, it's interesting because like I feel like for obvious reasons, newer Flyers fans think that this is the worst it's ever been and the organization has never been this low. But oh no, baby, we got real low before. We got real low before. I guess they arguably are but but like they were finding it was a finding ways to lose in embarrassing ways and just finding ways to basically organizationally shit on themselves in public on a yearly basis. No, Kelly, you and I got in that conversation on Twitter the other day with like how the organization became complacent and everything. And it's like they weren't complacent, they were poorly run. And they've been a poorly run franchise for my whole life. But up until 2006, they were able to outspend their problems. Exactly. Yeah. But then the playoffs would happen and they were more often than not fucking embarrassed. There's going to be a game later on that we talk about from this timeframe. That was like, I think they lost like eight nothing or six nothing to the sabers in an elimination game. Like they were a disgrace because they were cup contenders. And then the playoffs would come and like Charlie said, they'd shit all over themselves. Yes. And yeah, like no organization shoots for mediocrity. Like that's not what they're doing. No one's actively making that decision. What we've witnessed for the last 20 years of our lives is an organization actively trying to be really, really good and just failing miserably at it. Arguably that's worse than shooting for mediocrity and getting there. But yeah, like they've been trying real hard to win Stanley Cups. They just don't know what they're doing. So hopefully the new guys figure it out. Yeah, I just think of like, I think you should leave sketch in the parking lot with the one dudes yelling at him like, don't you know how to drive? He's like, no, I'm stupid. That's straight up what's been going. I just don't know what I'm doing. But that O2 series was absolutely like that was. Oh yeah, you think you're better off with lint without Lindross, huh? Oh, you scored two goals in five games. Absolutely. And I'll never forget also from that O2 series Bush started game five. They lose two one in overtime, but at least they got one. You know, they scored the end of the shutout stream. Yeah, two goals and five games, unbelievable. We have to go to a game from this from this past season. This is this is bold. But I do think that you can make a case for it being one of the worst and recent memory to be sure. So the Flyers had lost seven straight. They go in and say, all right, man, we got the habs. We can just write this ship and figure out a way to get into the playoffs. Still kind of write our own ticket here if we just write the ship. No, they go into that. They go into Montreal and not only lose their eighth straight game to take the streak to 06 and two, they lose nine three to the team that drafted what fifth or sixth this year, like it's a bad team. It is a bad team. And of course, I think the highlight of this one, yeah, it's like air sin five goals on 17 shots for Dota four on 13, combining for a 700 save percentage. I'm told that's bad. Jamie Drysdale minus six Nick sealer minus five. That's as bad as it can get when you lose by six and you're minus six. That's one of the worst for five. I know when we talk about plus minus, like overall throughout a season, first of all, like in my head, everyone is either is somewhere between plus 10 and minus 10. So it's like, what does this really tell you when everyone's stat is the same? But in an individual game, to be minus six, you you played horrible. I know most goals are flukes and I am as anti plus minus as you can be. If you're minus six in a single game, you were fucking terrible. I have to say, like, look at Ivan Fedotov becoming a legend before he even really starts here. Already on the worst games list. Good job, buddy. No, the only game I can, I could equate this to wait when we're talking about, um, we're talking about defensive pairings, just being terrible. I'm thinking, and this is a game that will come up later in the show as long as we get to it, I'm thinking that, that Rangers game with the Phil Myers, Travis, and I'm pairing in 2021. That's the only, that's the only game that I could think of when I remember a defensive parry, basically single handedly torpedoing a game because they were just that bad. You forget parent cry check, don't you, Charles? Yeah, but they, they didn't play that much. That's their, when they were on the ice, when they were on the ice, everything went fucking wrong, but it was only like, they were more minutes again. They play like five minutes every night in that play. That might be combined. Like they might have combined. That's the, they might be the, would it be least efficient or most inefficient pair of all time? Those two, like in, in three minutes, they were somehow minus two. Congratulations. You've done it. You've done it. You were the worst of all time. But yeah, this Montreal game, it's, listen, this, like, we could just have like every playoff game against the Ottawa senators on this list. And that would be, they'd all probably come ahead of this one. But this one is recency bias. And it's just a reminder of like, things were going so well. And then that eight game losing streak, it was like, what the fuck? Like, what happened? You were in the playoffs. It was going to take exactly this to miss the playoffs. But oh, yeah, as long as they don't like lose out. And then they came damn close. And they did. Yeah. I just, I remember after this game, you know, we had our post game show and it was, it was a doozy. But the point I made and I hold to it. And like to the Flyers credit, they, they finished the season without embarrassing themselves. Obviously, they didn't make the playoffs, but they turned it around to a degree. It's the point where they could at least walk out with their heads held high rather than being, you know, walking out each year embarrassment. But the point I made in the post game after this game was, I thought we were past this. Like, I thought that, I thought that we were done, that the Flyers were done. Like, not just losing, but losing in the most embarrassing fall flat on your face and have everyone just stand around and laugh at you fashion. And for one game, they went back to being the old Flyers. And that was really scary. And again, to their credit, they didn't, they were able to hold it from there. They were able to not let this turn into four straight games where they're losing six, nothing, seven, nothing, which like, other Flyers things might have done. But this was the one night where you're like, Oh yeah, like this is the 2021 Flyers. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I think the, like, I thought we were over this. Like, that's one of the reasons it's on the list at least something to talk about. Like, God damn, you know, they lose nine, nothing or whatever to the Rangers couple, like, all right, but this is what John Tortorello was here to fix. Like, this is the exact thing. I know we're not like competing, competing. But on a nightly basis, we're competing, you know, they didn't on that night. And it's just like, uh, there's one of them steps back that, you know, it just happens during a rebuild, I suppose. Let's go. I want to, I want to talk about this next one, because I think there is a case to be made that like this could be number one. This is up there. I just, just giving, because I want to set the stage here. Okay. This was, so the game is game three of the Flyers Capital Series in 2016. But to me, the reason why this has a case to be number one is because this is the first home game after Ed empire passes away. This is supposed to be when the players are giving everything they have to win one for Ed. Like, I'm talking like when one for, when one for the gipper kind of shit. And instead, not only do they lose the entirety of the building shits on itself in the most embarrassing way possible. Like, this was just a, this was a like, honestly, like kind of a shame to be a Flyers fans type of game. Yeah. Yeah. No, and that's the thing is it starts. There's the moment of silence for Ed Snyder. There's the bracelet light show, the pregame thing. It's a big deal. It was very cool to look at. And then the emotion, the emotion in the building is palpable. It's intense. It's playoff hockey. Flyers come in down to. Oh, it's like, let's just fucking get one, man. Like, let's get one. And they start the game right. Michael Raffles scores 57 seconds in. It's like, yes, this is the one they are properly motivated. They have the right intensity to at least not embarrass themselves. I'm going to play off series that especially after Sean Caturier gets injured. It's like, well, what are we going to do? Like, that was our, there's our equalizer right there. Maybe he can somehow be physical enough to shut down Alex Ovechkin. Well, now Alex Ovechkin throws him into the boards. He separates his shoulder. We lose Kootz. It's like, all right, now we have no chance. But can we just, can we just come on and like losing five, but win this game? Yeah. Yeah. Instead, after Raffle makes it one nothing in the opening minute, the cap score six unanswered. And all hell breaks loose. Those bracelets that made for a really nice pregame ceremony and light show became projectiles to the point where Lou Nolan had to come over the PA and say, like, Hey, we're going to get penalized. Stop doing that. And then when people continue to do it, he dropped the classic state classy Philly line. It was Ovi and Simmer, like begging the crowd to stop it. Yeah. There's, there's that iconic picture of Ovechkin and Wayne Simmons, both having their hands up, like screaming at the fans to stop throwing bracelets. But, but again, like, and I don't want this to turn into like a shaming the fans thing. No. Well, look, fans should not have pelted with bracelets. However, they would not have done it had the fliers not shit on themselves and lost in the slider game six to one. Like, I don't know. Don't do that. Yeah. Like, again, don't throw things on the ice. That's ever do it ever. But it was the perfect storm. Like, it's just one of those things. Like, is it good? No, but sometimes mob mentality, like people been drinking a little, probably pregame the game. They were really jacked up for this one. Flyers play off hockey. It's Ed Snyder. It's all that. And then they just get crushed by six unanswered goals. It was a perfect storm of, hey, they handed me this thing that now has no value to me. I'm going to throw it on the ice. And it was just a that's exactly what happened. It's it was a bummer all around it. It is one of the like every single one of these games. We're like, Oh, yeah, that's a low point. Like, it's one of the ways we got here. Like, it's where we are now. It's not one to one, but this is one of the factors of, yeah, this is why the fan base is where it is. This is why the organization is where it is. Like this game, this series, this season, it's way up there. Yeah, I mean, like, this is not ever going to be number one for me for obvious reasons. But Charlie makes a good point, like kind of like globally, societally, this might have been like the lowest point as a Flyers fan and very recent history. So yeah, I mean, I get the point. It was definitely I wasn't there. I was I was watching this one on TV. And even even watching from home, it was like, Oh, oh, oh, stop it. Like it was just like it was bad. It was really bad. It was it was everyone embarrass themselves here. Yeah, like I'm not I'm not going to to stick this just on the fans. The players embarrass themselves just as much. No, like this not to just absolve the fans, but you could have avoided this by just not suck. Like even if you lose, like maybe some people throw some shit at the end, like after the game's over. But if you lose this game three, two and over time, it's not like a mutiny of the fans. It's like, yeah, well, you know, Ovechkin scored eight minutes in overtime. It is what it is. He's the greatest goal scorer ever. We were never going to win the series. But like this is oh, yeah, man, we were we were red hot for 57 seconds. And then that was that. Well, thank you. Before we get to, I'm sure what would be number one on this list. Let me tell you real quick about our friends at indeed. Listen, we're all driven by the search for better. But when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. It's to match. And it's to match with indeed. 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Flyers lose an overtime on Patrick Kane's bad, bad angle goal. And it really like on the face of it, that's bad. You know, game six at home. Jeff Carter has the chance to win it with like a minute 30 left in the third golden opportunity from Richard's and Drew just hits the goalie right in the chest. It was I just went back and watched it. It was a pretty decent save, like technically, but shelf that shit, shelf that shit. You're a snow one job, Jeff. Yeah, you're a goal scorer. Do that. But really, what makes it so bad is you go back to the 2007 draft. The Flyers are 22 and 60 lose the lottery to the fifth worst team in Chicago. Chicago draft Patrick Kane, the Flyers draft JVR. And then that guy, Patrick Kane, he does it. He scores the overtime goal against the Flyers in Philadelphia to end the cup hopes and extend the streak to, you know, where it is now. That was the last crack we had at it. And we're coming up on 50 50s a year away. And that was this was what, you know, 14 years ago. So it's this started at all. This started the downturn of the franchise. Your girl was in the building. You were there. Enjoy it. So I think I've told the story before, but it's it's always fun for me to relive this nightmare. So I was sitting like way up high on the opposite side of the ice from where the goal was scored. And I was sitting next to a guy from Toronto with his kid who traveled to one Stanley Cup final game every year. Like he did this with his kid, which sounds fancy as hell. They were very nice. The goal happens. I don't see it. I don't even know what's happening. The guy Toronto guy goes up. Sorry about that. And he gets up and leaves. And I was like, what are you talking about? I'm like, what, sorry about what, what, what? And then I like realized what was happening. And I was like, oh, no, like that didn't, that didn't go in. Like what? And then, uh, then I watched the cup come out on the ice and it was terrible. That's I hated it. I watched it again this morning. Just to like, okay, what, what were the actual order of events here? And it's just Patrick Kane flying down the ice. And literally, no one has any idea. The announcers are like, I don't know. Michael Layton stopped it. What? Oh, no, he scored. It's him. Yeah. It was just like pure fucking confusion. There were, I believe, two people in the building who knew the puck was in, one being Patrick Kane and the other being Michael Layton, but right. Yeah. It was no, Michael Layton was no selling it, hoping like, maybe there's not an angle. Like, Oh, there it's, it's in, it's in the net. It's definitely, definitely in. Yeah. The fact that like, it was so inexplicable that this is an underrated part of it. It was so inexplicable that they had to review it. Like everyone, everyone in the building was so like, there's no way that actually could have went in that they reviewed like the puck was in the net. Like they're, they're truly like, it had to have went in and the officials still had to go to the cameras and go to the video because it was like, nah, there's no, there's no way he would have given up that week of a goal. It had to have gone through the side of the net job, play style, right? And there's like, no, Layton really was that bad. That's exactly what I thought. I was like, it must have been maybe there's a slice in the net and it went through the side, like LaClaire's goal on Hossack. Like that was the only possible explanation. And it was no, he, he stinks. That's the expo. It should have been Bush. Should have been fucking, that's the only carousel I swear to God, my entire life is going to, I'm going to be like on my death Ben being like, why did we do it this way? Why? Well, that's Layton was so good in after Bush gets hurt against Boston and he was so good against Montreal and then game one against Chicago happens. It's like, oh, that's, I mean, the, the big thing here was that like, Bush was hurt, like he was back, but he was nowhere near 100%. And I think the book, and it's not like Bush was good when he got into games in the series, because he did play at times in the series. And he wasn't real good. And it was because he was nowhere near 100%. Layton was, I think closer to 100%. He was just bad. And there is an element, like, and this is such a painful game. But I will say that there is an element of in a weird sort of way justice, like not in a good way, but like the flyers got their seasons saved by an a shall caliper goal. Like Layton was very clearly playing over his head the entire year. And you're just hoping against hope that the regression didn't come this season. And then all of the regression happens at the worst possible. Like, and like, so it was, it was fair, despite the fact that it was unbelievably painful, because everyone knew that Michael Layton was not a good goal. Like everybody knew it was just like, well, goalies get hot sometimes. And maybe we can be the team that rides this rises. Good luck. And they did all the way to the final. And all the way to game six until Michael Layton truly turned back into a pumpkin at the worst possible time. And you didn't exactly have like dominant Costco on the other side, either in the Emmy. So it's like, he doesn't like me. Yeah, like maybe. All right. Layton is so annoying. Yeah, it is. It's like maybe Layton isn't a strength, but at least this weakness isn't like totally outweighed on the other side by a dude who's just going to beat us. Like it's not as if anti DME won them that series, you know. So, but at the end of the day, Layton did lose it. That's just the most heartbreaking shit of all time. I hated watching that Jeff Carter shot again today. I was just, there's so much net. There's so much net. It's your whole career. You score these goals. This is your only job. This is why I want you. This is why I had to argue all the time. Oh, Jeff Carter's actually better than Mike Richards. No, fuck you, Mike Richards. Never would have missed that shot. No, Richard's taken it, but he never would have missed it if he took it. There were like two straight icings against Chicago, and they're set up in the offensive zone, and it's Jeru Richards and Carter just owning the puck. They finally get it out front. I have a lot of respect for you watching this again. I refuse to ever watch this again in this life. I will not watch it. I was just like, because, you know, like time, the order of events, like I just want to make sure I'm not making shit up like Jeff Carter missed high and wide, and then Patrick came, came down and scored. Like, that's not actually how it happened. Even though that's basically wide, because Jeff Carter loved to shoot high and wide. So I'm always just like fucking Jeff Carter high and wide again. Oh, he didn't miss the net at least. Yeah, he got it on. He got it on that. All right. I want to, I want to do super chats now. And then if there's time we hit a couple more of these games. So Tyler, let's see the first super chat, if you would be so kind from Eric Garner, he says, Hey guys, love the show. Have to say I'm a little disappointed. Game three from 2012 didn't even make the honorable mentions yesterday, though. Yeah, that was, I didn't want multiple games from that series. Like, I think games one and three both could have been on that list. End of the day, game six is it's got the defining moment. You know, it's Jeru with the hit, Jeru with the goal. They finally beat the penguins after losing them to them in '08, no nine. It was like, Oh, Richard Carter couldn't beat these guys. But Jeru did. Like, I just think like game six is what defined that series in that season. But yeah, like game three was if I wasn't going back to 1980 and could have done just like the 2000s or something, there's a really good chance one, three, and six are all on the list. Yeah, that's fair. That was just that game was just a party. I wasn't there. But like watching it on television, it just it just looked like 20,000 people in a building having a big part. We just have so much fun. It was slap shot, man. It was barely hockey. It was fucking it was the championship game in slap shot where a bunch of dudes are fighting and then eventually like someone has declared the winner. And like it happened to be the fliers that day. All right, let's get the I think this is our second and final super chat from Linden 49. Leon Stickle enough said, Oh, yeah, we didn't do the we didn't do the off sides against the Islanders. That's not one we got to. Yeah. I like that Linden 49 as our resident historian. I respect that. Yeah. That's remembering the past. Yeah, that's the that's the 80 final against the aisles. And yeah, I guess they were off. So I you know, yeah, it's a bummer. That should probably have made the list today. Let's see what else before we wrap up we can get to thank you for the super chats. Thank you very much to all of our diehards as well could not do the show without you couldn't do what we do here at PHOI without them diehards. This is when I really wanted to get to because I just have such burning memories of like coming back from somewhere like my cousins or something and listening to it on the radio 2001 first round game six against Buffalo fliers lose eight nothing. If that's not bad enough, it's Chris Gratton the story of the game to check on it gave up five goals on nine shots and like this is what I'm talking about about the 04 kind of whitewashing that that era like 2000. They blow the three one lead Lindross gets knocked out and then oh one they lose to Buffalo eight nothing to get eliminated. Oh, oh two and oh three. It's the two bad series against Ottawa. Oh four finally like is a palate cleanser if nothing else and why part of the reason we look back so fondly is like the era leading up to it really everything after the 97 run is such not just a disappointment but an embarrassment. Yeah, yeah, this was rough and I was a kid watching this game and it was it was truly embarrassing. This was this was bad and you're right those those three seasons they all ended very poorly and they I don't know if it got fans in the mentality of expecting the worst but it didn't didn't hurt like it was definitely part of it. There's there's a reason we are the way we are. It's not as if we're just a bunch of psychopaths like no we were made this way. Rewatching next to now. You know I'm wouldn't last a second in the asylum I was raising or whatever. Oh Taylor Swift now. Is that what it's from? I didn't even know where it was from. I just saw it on the internet. No, it's a Taylor Swift player. Is that what it is? I just thought it was a mean. It is. No, it's a Taylor Swift player. Yeah, so there's that another more a couple of more recent ones the Lake Tahoe game against Boston. That was the real like all right this whole thing we're doing. It was messed up that they made them play that. Yeah, yeah, that was bad. That's on the NHL. This game was on the NHL. Yes, they should not have been forced to play that game. They had Mark Friedwin at forward. It was nonsense. And Sam Moran who they converted to forward but they had them both playing forward in that game because they were out of guys all with COVID. It was nonsense. It was beautiful to look at but they should not have been that game. It was picturesque but no this game I will not I will not pin this on the flyers like yeah they lost and it was an embarrassing loss and it was on national television and it played into that whole like every time all the eyes are on the flyers they find a way to shit themselves. But this was on the NHL. This game should not have a play it's all just like pick your Rangers game from the last couple of years. I want to go through the 2021 season because I've made it clear that like that January to May season was the low point of my time covering the team. Like I have never been as miserable in my job as covering that season it was awful but that was like these two games in my mind were the low point of that season where on March 17th they lose nine nothing to the Rangers. This is the game where where the the Myers, San I pairing both players are minus six awful like truly embarrassing. And then you're like okay well they're they're sketching this is the game where they had to play the same teams over and over again. So like well they're not to play the Rangers again like next week they played them on March 25th which was eight days later and you're like this is the perfect time for you to get some revenge. You know this is this is the game where you get juiced up and you're like now we got it we got to make them pay. So what do they do? They lose eight three. A second straight embarrassment at the hands of the same team within eight days. Like I can't think of a better way to describe that season than those two games. Like just sheer embarrassment where you're just like this team they just don't they just don't have the guts that you need. Like like set aside town and I know that like at the time I wrote about this extensively during the run like the big problem was that they didn't have a goal because Carter Hart was basically having a nervous breakdown and Brian Elliott was old as shit and couldn't play as much as he needed to to give Carter Hart the opportunity to have a reset because he was going through a mental breakdown. So they didn't have a goaltender but like also score some freaking goals guys like goon it up to something yeah something to show you care. That's the thing I know like we joke a lot about like the quote and like that I call them Brandon Manning fights they are flyers losing four one with two minutes left let's drop the glove so I look like I care and can stay in the lineup but like at a certain point this is hockey man do something if you're like don't get beaten up and just accept it like this is a sport where like you play on raw emotion show some and they just had like that's when it was over like okay so so many things need to change. I like that you have the get someone fired games here because there's so like so many so many there's so many and it's like yeah it's a culmination no one gets fired because of one game but they're games where you're like you have to get fired now you have to go yeah there are yeah this is in a like this is the inciting moment like if you were writing a script you're like this is the thing right here this is the moment where something then happens and they did we have a 7-1 loss to Tampa in a 2021 that gets AV fired we have a 6-0 loss to Toronto that gets hexed all fired a 5-1 loss to Vancouver that gets hexed all fired and that's my this one oh this one was so funny and baby fucking swinging from Limblom and there was something else in this game there was the goalie thing where they like switched they switched their starting goalie like I think what it was was that they were originally going to start lying they put that out on social and then they changed their mind and went with stallars for like the fifth straight game or something and like he was very obviously gassed and then gives up like three goals in the first five minutes and it's like okay now we'll go to line who they should have started to begin with it was it was a microcosm of Dave Hacksall's tenure in Philly all jammed into one game and I remember I made the joke I think I even wrote this from the athletic that that Hacksall died as he lived benching better players for worse walking so yes yes and to think like five six years later the two goalies you just named have been like two of the five biggest goalie stories in the sport over the last two seasons Charlie oh man we're Charlie this is our boring hockey team I will say though because if you remember that Hacksall game there were rumors swirling that entire weekend that hack was on the way out you know there this was the weekend where and I mean in retrospect it would have ended poorly regardless but this is the weekend where there were heavy rumors Dave Isaac reported that Joel Wendell was hired as the coach even though he wasn't but like I remember they were on a road trip when this happened yeah and I did not go on the road trip it was a western kind of road trip I wasn't on it so this was the final game against the Canucks the final game of the trip before they came home and I was at a party at a friend's house and it literally just ended up because I mean all these people in the house were pretty much all Philly sports fans off-liers fans and it ultimately just turned into like a big old like you know farewell to hack everybody knew this was the final game I think Hack knew it was the final game or knew there was a good chance it was and the fact that he like when we see the final lineup and we see that it's LaTara in a live wam scratch it was just like nothing could have been more perfect the boys needed a jolt charlie and they thought the terra could provide it I bet he could have in some ways I could see this comment we're gonna wrap up in a second but I just saw that comment that was like I hated hack stall and like yeah I did too yeah there it is from flyers and seven um but like I almost felt as if the like making him be his own interim after you fired heck stall it's funny like in part because heck stall refused to fire hack stall like and then keeping hack stall around for like what two more weeks or something like I almost found like three like three weeks I think yeah I almost found it cruel like making it was me they needed to just clean house and they were yeah like and then they did it anyway like three it was like he's his own interim coach and everyone knows it like he's getting fired and they just maybe they were in negotiations with other guys like they said and it just fell through and that's when um it was a scott gordon became the coach it was yeah man what a time uh the only other game I want to mention is the shush game we've talked about it a lot of times between broad street hockey and here don't think we had to get into it but it was a suggest it was a suggestion on twitter the shush game the pronger game not on this list someone did suggest that as well I just don't like it was against the Leafs right yeah I mean I'm remarkable otherwise yeah I like I remember that and him just screaming but I don't remember the game or anything no yeah it was not a remarkable game otherwise it just ruined um I think that's it guys I think we have I I hope people it wasn't good time I don't know if it was cathartic I like exercises of demons here I don't know yeah just I don't know it's always they're not all winner ideas I thought this would be a lot more fun than it was I'm just honest I'm mad now uh no it was it was a good time but that is all the time we have for you on pHLY flyers today thank you all for listening thank you for hanging out if you haven't already you got to hit that subscribe button follow us right here on youtube make sure to set those 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