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It's good to be back at a studio though. It is. It is. The remote shows were convenient, especially for me as I was in bunk bed jail all last week. [LAUGH] Bunk bed. Bunk bed. Bunk bed. Bunk bed. Some may have called it. I like it. But no, it's great to be back in the studio and I can see Bryn. She can tell me when I'm fucking up. It's all good. You miss this place when you're not here that long. I remember him and walked in today was just everybody's back. This is great. Like last week, I guess probably a skeleton grew in here. It is nice to just be back amongst everyone here at PHLY. It's also nice that I don't have to drive in New Jersey anymore. Yeah. Wow. [LAUGH] So you're done until like rookie camp? Well, until the fliers do something crazy because, I mean, my assumption that was literally how I left it with Kevin Kurz of the athletic as we were walking out the last night. And it was like, I'll see in a few months, like, or until the fly is just something crazy because it would be very fliers if like Mitch Koff shows up next week and then they introduce them something like that or they make some enormous trade out of nowhere. If not, yeah, the next time I have to be back is like the lead up to rookie camp because the veterans start showing up, you know, a few weeks early. Obviously, that's a big thing that towards pushes and then you can you can interview players more easily. If you want to, so usually I'll go a couple days to catch up with some of the guys, you can work on some future stories. But yeah, Saturday was the last day of development camp. I published my development camp in depth wrap up story. I've done this for years. I've always viewed it. It's less so now, I think, because the coverage group is younger and to be blunt, more motivated than they were back then. But I remember back when I got started at Broad Street Hockey. I realized very quickly that the vast majority of the older beat writers gave zero shits about development camp. They just didn't care. They would show up for the first day and they'd show up for the scrimmage and then every other day they wouldn't show up. It just wasn't worth their time. It was the summer and I came to the conclusion like if I want to separate my coverage, this is a way to do it because no one is there and I can provide the type of videos and in-depth prospect evaluations that no one else is doing because no one else gives enough of the shit. So I just kind of kept doing it. And after every development camp I do this in-depth story, I record tons of videos on my phone. I take notes. I go to every single session. And then I just kind of try to kind of try to give people a good idea of how they all look. Now obviously development camp, you're not making any final decisions on a player. It's a teaching camp, but these guys are trying to impress the brass and the brass is watching these guys to see what they have in them, especially the guys they just drafted. First time they're seeing them on their ice wearing flyers orange and black. So it is valuable and you learn a lot about who they are as players and that's what this piece does. I go into, you know, really I kind of in-depth broke down about eight guys and then I did a little quick hits on another eight, but we're going to get into this in a few minutes. So my observation on the bigger players, but the meat of the article is on all PHLY.com. It is for die hearts only. So check that out. If you want to learn more, watch more. There's tons of video clips quotes from the, we have quotes from Riley Armstrong from Nick Schultz from Sam Moran from Brent Flair quotes from the players. So it's really in-depth piece to piece. I'm proud of doing every year. So check it out. And I was like, just listening to, yes, it's very difficult to, okay, well, because of this dev camp, this is what I think this guy is going to be, but just tracking the progress. Like you've seen a lot of these now and like listening to a Martinez and Meltzer on Flair's daily today. They're like, it's hard to say, okay, this is what Denver Barkey is going to be. But I can tell you from last year's development camp to this year's, this is what I've seen is different. Like you, having been to a bunch of them and being able to track that progress, you're able to draw on that a little. I was actually really excited to see Denver Barkey this year because we didn't really get to see him last year development camp. He, he got banged up early if I remember correctly and barely was on the ice. I actually don't know if he ever hit the ice. Cheer Nick was on the ice, got hurt and then missed. But Barkey was a disappointment because I remember being really excited about that draft pick when they made it last year and really pumped to see him on the ice for dev camp. He didn't really participate in dev camp. This is his first development camp and he was impressive. So this is a go to all PHL Y.com sign up to be a die hard, get all Charlie's videos, get the breakdown, they complete the place to go for all development camp coverage. The final say, if you will, but right now I'm going to talk a little bit about Saturday's scrimmage and just your overall impressions of some of these guys. And it was, it was funny. I mentioned listening to flyers daily earlier. They talked about Jet Luchenko. Turns at 17 won't be 18 to August 21st could very well be the youngest player that they've ever signed. Like if anyone would know that, it's Meltzer. And like he was, I can't come up with anyone, but it's just kind of crazy to think, you know, talking about, you know, when you started, yeah, there's probably a lot of the beat reporters, the coverage left from a long time who'd been doing it a while. It's like draft picks, prospects. Oh, you mean trade piece. You mean, you mean ammunition with names, like with names written on it, like that's all this is. And it has changed a little bit as the game has changed. Luckily, you were kind of there and, you know, got to start that from old good old Broad Street honky. Let's start with that young man, Jet Luchenko 17 leaves camp with an ELC in his pocket. When you sign at 17, like do your parents have to be there? I don't. Like I don't think that legal, I guess. Can you sign an employment contract? Like if it doesn't kick into your 18? Yeah. Like I don't know. I don't know. I just like, I don't know what the Canadian rules are. You can't because presumably he has to, you know, go under both rules, right? He's a Canadian citizen. Like, so like he's got his, he's working, he's going under a work visa I presume. You can't rent a car till you're like 25. You can sign a contract to be employed with like Comcast spectacle or the NHL, whatever. Anyway, Jet Luchenko, we all have heard about his speed. The more we've looked into him, like the combine results, super impressive. You mentioned some things that really stuck out positively and negatively last week as we went through each day of development camp. What did you see in the game and overall impressions of the 13th overall pick from 2024? I thought he was really impressive in the scrimmage other the scrimmage was the best he looked at camp. What you usually see with these guys at development camps, I've been doing to enough to know that this is very much a thing, especially the guys who just got drafted and all the eyes are on them. They usually start slow at camps at the development camp because I think they're just a little nervous. It's a whirlwind week. They just got drafted. They hopped on a plane fly to Voorhees well to Philadelphia first and then go to Voorhees and you just get the sense in the beginning, they're a little overwhelmed, they're a little star struck by it all. But as camp progressed, I thought Luchenko looked better and better. Like the skating that popped right off the jump. He's an incredible skater. He was the best skater at this camp by far. I mean, guys like, like, Gendron and J.R.A. Von are very quick skaters, but no one had the skating ability all around skating ability. Oh, shit. Yes. That's what Luchenko has. What I really liked in the scrimmage and what really showed in the scrimmage in a way that it just can't really show in drills and in practices is just the details of his game. You know, he is, you can see why the fliers after the draft and presumably before the draft as well, why they were so adamant that he's a center because he just, he has those little details that make you think, yeah, he can stick in the middle. He, he just, he thinks the game at a high level in terms of, you know, you're always seeing him checking behind him to make sure no one's getting, no one's getting behind him. He settles in down low in the zone to provide support for his, for his defense, been as an outlet on breakouts. There were some really slick little neutral zone passes where he was kind of able to facilitate his wingers getting up by faster because he knew what he was going to do before he actually did it, even though he was under pressure in the neutral zone. There were just a lot of little things he did that made you think like, yeah, he's, I don't know what his ceiling is, but the floor is very high because he does all of these things. And that popped in a way that it just can't pop in drills and in practice. And then you add in the skating, you add in the, the, the soft hands, the quick hands in close. He's good at finishing in close and you can see why they're so high on them. Now it wasn't perfect and I mentioned this in a story that I wasn't in love with his creative passing ability. The decision making sometimes wasn't great. Sometimes he was forced and passes. And the one thing that like did jump out at me, especially in the drills, and it was the case in, in, in the, in the scrimmage too, is that he needs to get better protecting the puck. He gets the puck knocked away, not in terms of getting hit, but in terms of protecting it away from stick checks. He lost the puck a lot. And if, if that doesn't get fixed, it's going to limit his ceiling because he's not going to be able to take full advantage of the speed that he has and the finishing ability that he has. If he can't get through the waves of defenders that allow you to get to those dangerous areas. That just strikes me as something like it just needs to become more of a focus because he's been able to get by, like if you have that type of speed, a defender is just going to be like, well, fuck this, I'm playing two stick lengths off of them. So he just doesn't burn me. And then speed of the game difference, like these dudes can skate, like first round picks, whatever. Obviously he still has to stand out skating, but they're used to really fast dudes. And they'll just, I'm going to get up on him a little bit and see if he can see if I can neutralize his speed before he gets going, whereas probably a lot of defense man, he's played in his life for like, I'm just not going to become part of this guy's highlight reel. Yeah. And so it just has to be more of a focus adjusting to what higher level competition is going to be. Might be tough, but you mentioned like Sean Catourier, who has become a pretty damn good power forward and has great hands around the net, or at least did before this prior season. Yeah. Like it's just something that can be worked on. Yeah. Yeah. It can. The big question you're going to have is does he have the offensive creativity, the vision to take full advantage of his skill set? And that's something that I noted, I believe I noted it in my pre draft prospect preview video that I did on Jellushanko is just that you don't know what the ceiling is because it's like, does he, it's not even the, he doesn't think the game at a high level because he does. He tells her there, the hockey IQ is there. The question is, does he have the offensive creativity to find the guy that no one else can see, but he can't, you know, to, to take the right route through the neutral zone. So he doesn't end up just like running himself into the corner, but he, he can see that like, well, if I make this little, this little pivot or whatever, and he has a skating him able to do it. But if I make this little pivot, if I slow down and then speed up, I'll be able to get to an open area rather than just running myself into a puck battle. That's the question. And we're going to see over the next couple of years, if he can, the, the exciting part about Lachanko and you spoke to this a second ago, he's, he's young, he's really young. And usually, not always, but usually on average, the guys who are drafted young tend to have, they just have upside that like the older guys don't have. And that was a concern about, for example, Jakum Chuck, Jakum Chuck was an old player for his draft class. So the idea of like, yeah, he's the super high upside defenseman. And he might be there. It was tempered a little bit by the fact that like, well, he's old for his draft here. So maybe he's not the kind of high ceiling guy that people hope he was going to be, whereas Lachanko is young for his draft year. So he's been playing against older players pretty much his whole life. Now he'll have almost an extra, like an extra, what, like eight or nine months over a guy like Jakum Chuck to further develop. Like you see the tools of, and like Jakum Chuck might end up being a Norris guy who the hell knows, but you just see the tools and you go, well, if he puts this all together and perhaps at a certain age, you go like, well, he would have connected a and maybe not A, B and C, but like he would have connected A and C by now. And then we'll see if B comes out like him. Whereas a guy who's almost a year younger, he's like, well, next year's really his big development. Exactly. Like that could technically be, you know, he wouldn't even be super old for next year's draft. You know, he'd still be 18 when they draft him. All right. I have staked my claim to Hunter McDonald. He's, he's officially hashtag my guy. It sounded like he looked pretty good. It sounded like he looked pretty good in the scrimmage. I am. I look at his smile. He is your, your, your smell. No, like I'm seriously considering just like making the new bed being that I believe in Hunter McDonald. It would, that would be so fun for your brand just to see what the analytics haters would have to say about you liking Hunter McDonald. No, it would turn into your show for the organization. Of course. That's what it was. Of course. Yeah. Danny and Jonesy love Hunter. Right. And if you start loving Hunter, well, fuck the analytics. We're not, we're not mad at you for being a nerd. We're mad at you for having, having orange glasses. That's what it would become. Exactly. It would be fun to see the, the switch though. I think, I think what I can say about Hunter McDonald at this camp is that I now have a much better understanding as to why they like him as much as they do because the things that they like about him are extremely apparent. And also, and this is something that's in the piece, like the big thing with the concerns about Hunter McDonald is, and because you bring up the fact, well, he didn't score that much in college. And the, the obvious retort you get from his defenders are, well, he's a stay-at-home defense. He's a defensive defense. He doesn't have to score that much. And that's true. However, even the best defensive defense in the NHL scored a fair amount in lower levels. Like Chris Tana, maybe the best defensive defense of the last few years, or like, maybe probably the last like six or seven years, I mean, top tier guy who, who was a top notch trade choice for for Dallas of the deadline, he scored 28 points of 41 games in his fine, in his one year in college. And, and then you have like Adam Pelle, like another really good, like defensive defense men shut down guy. He was nearly a point per game in his final year in juniors. Like no, they, they're offense never translated, but they had some of it. Whereas Hunter McDonald had two goals in college and 20 points in two years. So that's the concern and that's why the analytics people are always going to be skeptical of him. However, I will say that he showed more offensive ability at this camp than I definitely more than he showed in past dev camps, but way more than I expected. He had one plan. I had the video up on the article where he, he has a really good gap on Coke, Cole Knoble. This was, I believe in the four on four portion of the third period is a really good gap on Cole Knoble. He breaks up the entry, knocks the puck down the ice, and then it's basically just them two chasing on the puck. He, and Cole Knoble is not a great skater, but he's gotten better. He's quicker. He's, he's, he's a guy who given his size and given the fact that he plays four, you would expect him to be faster than a hundred more time. Hunter McDonald basically passes Cole Knoble, despite the fact that he started about a stride and a half behind him in the initial race. Then he just basically man handles him and throws him to the side to get the puck. And then he sets up a quality chance for a teammate right in front of the net. It gets stopped, but the puck skills were there enough to create something and you watch a play like that. And you think to yourself, I mean, this is a guy who could score 20 points in an NHL season. Maybe he might have that ability. The skating, I won't go so far as Nick Schultz did in calling him an unbelievable skater, but he's, he's fine. He's a fine skater, especially for someone who was six foot four, maybe Schultz meant it literally like, I didn't believe he could skate this well. I find what I just saw. Unbelievable. That's fair. That's very, very possible. I think it's like, I thought you were going to make a joke about Nick being like, well, maybe a comparison to him, but I think of, like the offensive upside thing and shut down to Fenceman. Like, remember that there's two weeks where we were like, brain coburns one timer, man. Like, that was like a thing. And he did have one, what, thirty six point season and then the rest were like 20 inch or fewer. But like, I just don't need it that much if especially you're going to figure out a way to get him paired with a puck mover, like an Andre or a driesdale or whatever. But I am very excited about having a guy like this. When you mentioned the skating, I just think like when guys that size figure out how to take advantage of the power and length of their stride, they can become very, very strong skaters. And maybe that's just something he's figured out at a young age. Yeah. He's the skating is good enough. I will say that. He's not slow, especially for his eyes. He's not slow. And you can see it when he's in rush coverage, because as I mentioned in the article, like being good at rush coverage, being good at denying entries and gap control, like, yes, part of that is defensive instincts and having having long reach and things like that. But a lot of his mobility, I mean, you can be six foot six and have a super long reach and be great in the along the wall and have physical strength. But if you can't skate, you're going to get turn style all the time or figure out how to not cross over sea cut and drive a guy into the wall. Otherwise he's getting by a under yet or long way around you every time. Exactly. And I will say that McDonald was great in rush coverage because he has the mobility to take full advantage of the size of the defensive instincts of the reach. And that was intriguing. So I come away from this camp feeling I'm still skeptical because look, it's not necessarily the points. It's not like, well, Hunter McDonald has a score 15 points a year to be an NHL player. Yeah, you'd hope that he gets some some cheapy secondary assist if he's creating some offense. But the big thing is, is that if you don't create offense at lower levels, it tends to imply that you're not doing essentially anything to get play moving in the right direction. Because you're not picking up any cheapy assists like, you know, defensemen do if they're at least throwing a decent first pass out of the four so they can go up ice. And the concern is is like, yeah, Hunter McDonald might be a great defensive defense or might be great in his own zone. But if you spend an 80% of his shifts in the defensive zone, he's not going to be a good defense. You're just going to get, you can be the best defenseman ever. Yeah. The other four guys while you're stuck on defense are probably not that you're going to just get scored on a lot. So he has to at the very least provide something from a puck moving ability, not be a total black hole up at the point in the offensive zone. He has to be able to, you know, execute a pass half decently. You know, you know, activate down low if he has to if that's the way the cycle rolls. And I would say this camp, he showed me that he might be able to do that. And that makes me feel better about his upside. I'm still skeptical because guys with his profile don't usually become an each other. It's pretty rare. But after watching him for four days, I can see why they think he can be an exception. I get it. All right, Charlie, about this next player, I just have to ask. All right. So Connor Baddard, Leo Carlson, Adam Fantilly, Will Smith, David Ryan backer, Demetri Sima Chev, Matt Veymichkov, Ryan Leonard, Nate Danielson, Dallibor Dvorski. Okay. Over whom would you take Oliver Bonk over those guys? Oh, yeah. Cause didn't Danny said he'd be a top 10, but look, he's just talking up as guys obviously trying to present his realization of the best life. I think he probably jumps, Danielson, to be sure, Dvorski, maybe, I don't think he jumps Sima Chev just because the, the idea is that his upside, his physical upside is through the roof. I think he jumps to the top 15. Okay. The top 10 is a bit of a stretch because you could certainly make the case that like, well, Gabe Broke killed it. You know, maybe he jumps up to the top 10 too, because you have like 60 points in college as a freshman, but he doesn't count cause he wasn't on the fliers board. Oh, yeah. That's the problem. That's, and I guess neither would be Will Smith. I would say in a redraft, you have to erase those two guys and die. That is fair. I would say that Bonk's stock is definitely up. I think saying that he would be a top 10 pick in a redraft is optimistic, not impossible given the fact that teams reach on the fence, but all the friggin time, but it's optimist. It's optimistic, but if you just saw the number and like, again, I don't, I don't know, but I doubt it like that he fell to 20 and in a year, like not even when you do, I got five years later. Let's look at the redraft and see who really translated the best who developed well, but a year later, it's like, yeah, I don't know. But if you just look at the numbers, it's like, well, damn, yeah, maybe, but Oliver Bonk. I heard some good. I heard some well, he still needs to work on some things. What was your overall takeaway on Bonk Boy? I thought so Wednesdays, this would have been the third, the day before the 4th of July. I thought he was the best player on the ice. He was fantastic defensively, especially you can tell he's made serious strides in terms of his play without the puck, defending two on ones along the boards. He just looks steadier than he did last year. And that's exciting because as much as we've talked about him as like, well, he's this all around two-way defenseman, his events of game was in need of work. It was far from a finished product and it does seem like he's just calmer. He knows what to do without the puck. You know, he's, when he's defending a two on one, he knows that he's got to be defending the pass and then he baits people in the trying to make that pass and then deflects the pass. There are finer points of defensive play that, and in the fliers to defies credit, they thought he was going to get better at these things because they love the fact that he's in London in a great developmental program that pumps out NHL caliber players. So they were anticipating this and it seems like they're getting what, not what they paid for, but what they drafted. They're getting that benefit. He did not look that great in the scrimmage. He had some moments. I have a couple videos of him making good defensive plays, transitioning defense to defense. The thing that you have to remember out the scrimmage though for anybody that went to the scrimmage, this was, I don't know if Danny lost a bet to Jonesy or something because the way they did it was it was like team Breair and team Jones and team Jones was stacked and team Breair was like, you had Oliver bonk and you had Carson Bjarnison and then like all camp. He got the goalie and everyone else was on the other. Yeah. Yeah. That's why the, the Jonesy team just obliterated them and it just seemed like bonk like was trying to do a lot because he didn't have a lot of help and then was making more mistakes than he usually does. He was not great in the scrimmage, but I felt like in the drills and defensively on the hall, he had a good camp. We'll see. He had a great camp, but he looked fine. I think we've talked a decent amount about Denver barking and of course read Charlie's Pete's all PHL Y calm, become a die hard to read it, but you talked about Alex bump, Alex bump the other day and it was the day my connection was shit and I missed like five minutes of the show. Right. So I'm going to talk about him because I heard some good things, read some good things about Alex bump at this camp. What did you see from him? I thought he was the most impressive forward in the scrimmage. I put this in my piece that that I don't think it's impossible to know this unless I guess you had like tracking software at a fucking development camp scrimmage, which like maybe the flyers did. I don't think there was a player who possessed the puck more and made more plays with the puck in that scrimmage than bump. He was the engine. He was on a line in large part with Luchenko. They, they job with the lines at time. So it wasn't like he was only with him, but as good as Luchenko looked and he looked good, it bump was the engine of that line. He was the guy driving the play. He was the play driver on the line. He's just a guy where it does seem like the flyers might have gotten a steal in this guy. And I know the numbers in college in his freshman year weren't incredible. They weren't bad. They weren't incredible, but this is the third camp I've seen him at and he's popped at each one and he's only gotten better. I thought Brent Flair's comment after the scrimmage where he said he looks like an NHL player to me. He says, just good of an endorsement is you're going to give to a fifth round pick. They, they like him. And look, I'm not saying he's a top liner. I'm not saying that they've, they've stumbled into, you know, their, their big steel who's going to be a top of the lineup guy. But I watch him and I see a potential middle sixer. I think he has that ability, he has the, the creativity, he has the vision. He's got a really balanced offensive skill set. He's a guy. I would, I would definitely keep an eye on this year. I could see him having a big breakout at a, at Jonesy's a Jonesy's alma mater, Western Michigan. Oh geez. Yeah. The Harvard, the Midwest. He just loved that one. Before we go any further, I got to tell you about, man, this is, it's a great setup because my Lord do some people on social media need to chill between work, between work, social media and the choices life throws our way. It's no wonder we're more worked up than ever. Those lights celebrates rising above and choosing a chill mindset. Why not turn to reigned out barbecue into a karaoke house party? Or after a tough loss, settle scores with an ice cold piece offering, making the choice to choose chill, then reach for a course like it's mountain cold refreshment. 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Just for the people who I know we mentioned this last week, the super chatters, we love you. We are absolutely going to get to the super chats. We're doing super chats at the end of the show now because you guys, you have a lot of opinions. Honestly, the content's really good. That's why we spend so much time on the super chats, but people are going to start asking questions like, "Bill, what did you do today?" If the entire show is super chats, I didn't do all that much quite honestly. The listeners came up with the content, so we need to protect Bill's job by getting through the shit I prepared and then we'll answer your questions at the end of the show. That pretty much wraps it up for a lot of the development camp stuff. It sounds like he's going to be a really entertaining guy. We mentioned the Jet Luchenko, ELC. There was obviously the Brink bridge deal got done a couple of weeks, or like a week or two. Is it even a bridge deal? I don't know. It's a second contract. Whatever you want to call it. It's like a short contract. Yeah, because last year, this is the first year. It's really just like, I don't know, we need to look at you more. Yeah, we need to know where you are. Igor Simola gets a similar contract, two-year deal, 1.7 million average annual value. They're keeping him around. He was a restricted free agent. They QOed him. They work out this deal, 1.7 mil, pretty nice, a pretty nice little pay bump for our guys Simola. Differently, a lot last year had that nice little run on the power play at one point. You could do a lot worse as a 6-7 than Igor Simola, I think, down the line, just looking at what this defense is. If he's part of it, if he's an extra, whatever, I think he's a nice enough player. The thing I'm looking at right now though, Charlie. First, capfriendly.com still exists. Yeah. It's still kicking. It seems like it will be dying any day now, but so now it's still there. But I log on today just to see what the flyers are up to, about 830 K over the cap right now. How do they get cap compliant without LTIR? That's my question for you right now. I don't know if there's an answer aside from making it, they're going to use LTIR unless they make a trade. When we spoke with Danny Breyer on July 1st, he more or less said, I don't have the direct quote in front of me, but he basically said, "If I haven't made a big trade in the next week or so, it's probably not going to happen." Well, that was a week ago. So it doesn't seem like the big trade is coming. So at this point, choose chill, choose coarse light, choose chill. At this point, it does seem like they're going to use LTIR. I guess the only possible way out of it, if they don't use LTIR, is, and I guess this is theoretically possible, even though I'm not expecting it, is if Ryan Johansson shows up for camp and says he's healthy, because then, I guess what they could do is they could wave him and send him down and then use that to get below. Yeah. And he knows that that's what's going to happen. I don't think he wants to play in the AHL. I do not think Ryan Johansson, like 30 years old, wants to be riding the bus. Exactly. Like just get that impression. So unless they make a trade, whether it's, you know, trading away someone like Rissalain, whether it's a hockey trade that has some money going out, it does appear that they are poised to be tapping in a long-term major reserve, at least to start the year. And then we'll see how it plays out from there. Just thinking about how they would go about this, like Ryan Johansson is just like, he ain't part of the plans. We're going to LTIR him. And I realized like on cap friendly, it's like, well, Ryan else cap, LTIR candidate. Would they not put him on right away? Or does, if they're going to do it, might as well do it, it doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter. I mean, and they could theoretically put him on long-term injured reserve in the off-season too. Yeah. You're allowed to do that. They didn't really want to because you only, the only real reason to do that is the whole, you can only see the cap ceiling by 10% in the off-season, but they're not close to that anyway. So it's no big deal. I think the key is just that they're going to wait until the last possible second to put them on LTIR because they don't want to use LTIR. They're hoping against hope apparently that something is going to pop up. It's going to allow them to avoid it, whether it's, you know, some GM who, you know, rejected a Danny Breyer trade offer, wakes up the morning and decides, I want that player that you offer me and then does the deal. You never know, it doesn't seem like anything is imminent at the moment, but it could happen. You never know. Sometimes there's happened in the off-season where general managers have a change of heart or their previous plan fell through, so they go back to plan B or plan C. You never know. But again, the fact that nothing has happened yet, it does cut down in the likelihood that something is going to happen, at least something substantial. All right. With the Zumula contract sign as well, I think it's, oh, we can take a look at how we think this defense is going to shake out and maybe what the plan is going to be. A lot of it would, you know, depend on the Risto health, but let's just, for the sake of this conversation, pencil Risto in as yes, he was hurt for the second half of last year, but in October, he will be on the right side in one of the three spots on defense. So let's just look at this right now. Pair you have to believe York Sandheim reunited seems like probably seems like something they would want to do. Both had very good seasons last year and they're the two best defensemen on this team. So it makes sense. After that, we get a little sticky and like defense pairs can change. You mix and match. It's going to be a whole season. They have a lot of guys who might be in the fold at some point, but seal a driesdale. Nick sealer signed the four year deal at extension right around the deadline. They like next seal or a lot. He looked really good last season. Jamie driesdale. Did it. We'll see. Like these two together, theoretically, it's like this makes sense. And then when they did get out there together, not grant. It was like a game. Maybe two. It was a Montreal game. It was like Montreal game. It was a fucking disaster. Yeah. I was dumpster five. They were like minus five. And it they really weren't that bad in the other games together, but that one, they were so bad. It was a, it just colors our vision of the pair, but like these two, you got to believe are going to get the ice time. They make sense together. And then you look at like, okay, I guess it's a little oristo. Sure. Yeah. That's a third pair. If I ever heard of one, but then Eric Johnson, we know they resigned. Ronnie Atter, not a waiver exempt. So he's going to be on this team in some fashion you got to believe. Maybe they try to sneak him through. Maybe I got it. He'd probably get through. I think he probably gets through, but it's a risk. Yeah. It could have been risk that you don't like these risks. Field Sandstrom is not good. And they held on to him like through the middle of December last year. It's a really good point. Yeah. Yeah. They were terrified that we just don't want to lose someone for nothing. Yeah. Now, maybe they just get down to this numbers game and they're like, yes, we're already over the cap. I don't know. But Ronnie Atter, then there's Adam Jennings, who is waiver exempt. There's Emil Andre. There's Hunter McDonald, who we think is probably going to get a game, but maybe it's more down the line. It could be in the mix. It could be in the, but, but he has to have a really good camp. They love him so much. He's going to get a look. Yeah. A little look. And then L.J. Grands, who is also waivers examers, prayers praised him a few times more than expected, considering he was just like a guy last year. Yeah. He could, del Pedio comes up, Mete comes up, Jeaning and Atter both eventually come up and say, all right. Like Andre made the team out of camp. It's like, okay, L.J. Grands, probably not in the mix, but he's his name has been mentioned. They've mentioned him. He was banged up a little bit. Yeah. But they've mentioned him a few times. So he's theoretically in the camp mix. I think you kind of nailed it with your proposed mix. I think Sandheim York is probably your first pair. I think they're going to give the sealer, driesdale pair a long look. They're hoping because I mean, really, if you compare this decor, the projected decor to the one they, they ice most of last year, especially during the good parts of last year, the big difference is the lack of show and walk in for Walker. So what they are banking on me, because look, they know they're not competing for a cup, but all things being equal, I think they'd like to be competitive. And the big thing that's going to be a question mark going in the next year from a defense standpoint is, can Jamie driesdale be somewhat close to what Walker was? And that's not going to be easy because Walker was damn good, but first thing I'm picked for showing Walker. Yeah. Like he's very good. Yeah. He's a good defenseman and driesdale last year was very much not a good NHL defenseman. So he's going to need to take a pretty gigantic step forward to even, you know, closely approximate what Walker provided. I think driesdale is more physically gifted by a lot than show Walker, but he's younger. The development of his career maybe hasn't quite gone according to not plan, but the flyers think he wasn't developed quite right. They think he's a little bit of a reclamation project. They need to fix. I trust Brad Shaw, but might not happen overnight. They might not be able to fix Jamie driesdale within, you know, a month of camp or even a season. They take multiple seasons before he starts turning into the guy they think he can be if he does it all. So that's the question on the second pair. The third pair, Zomul, I believe will have the leg up to be in the lineup, but this is important. I don't think Zomul is locked in. I think Zomul will enter camp the favorite to make the team and be in the starting line. Yeah. He underwhelms and if ginning out plays him, if Hunter McDonald out plays him, if Ronnie adored out plays him, I wouldn't blow me away if Zomul is starts the year out either on the bench or wouldn't even blow me away if you got waived. I mean, I don't think they want to do it, but if he flops in camp, he didn't play well enough last year to be like, you are a lot to make this team. He needs to play well in camp to keep the other prospects behind him. Right now he's added especially playing six plus games. He had moments. He showed he can at least hold his own at the NHL level, but he's got guys coming for his job and he's not a cam York or a Jamie driesdale where he's a locked in part of the future. He's there and he's fine, but he could lose a spot and like that gets to what I've talked about so much with what I want to see out of this defense. Like, yeah, I want Ronnie added to make it and be up here. And if he plays, he plays, we'll figure it out, but like the guys who are waiver exempt, I want to see some rotation here, like I want to see some guys playing. I don't want it to be a locked six dudes. This is who we're going with because what's the point of that? If we're not competing for the Stanley Cup, like none of these guys are very good outside of like three, maybe, you know, like I want to see everyone play and see who can stick and see who can really impress. And Igor Zamoula, listen, yeah, I think if he's going to be a part of this thing, it's as a six, seven. That means I have no attachment to like, Oh, he's a part of this. He's a black ace. You know, like that's cool, good, like as a undrafted dude, that's all well and good. He got something for nothing, but he's not that important that we can't see these other guys play over him, especially guys with higher upsides. Igor Zamoula is basically what he's going to be. Well, they think there might be another, but he could jump. He could. It's possible. I'd be surprised. We'll say, you know, but I just think some of these other guys have a lot more than they have been given the opportunity to show and Zamoula pretty much was what he was last year and it's fine, but it's not changing the team. I just, I just think that they are going to make him earn it. He is not going to be promised anything. He's got to give him. Yeah. That's great. He's, he's making more money. He's making 1.7 mil. So he's going to have a leg up on those guys that are still on, you know, sub $1 million a year contracts or whatever, but I just don't think he's a lock and, you know, a couple of our commenters mentioned that there's the, the Mitch cough factor. That's true. You know, they're going to want to have some Russians around to ease the transition that also helps him out in terms of keeping a spot. But there's still Fido Toph. You know, Zamoula is interesting because Zamoula obviously knows Russian, but also can speak English. So he's been here. Yeah. Whereas Fido Toph is more of just a straight, like I barely can speak in Fido Toph. And Fido Toph. Zamoula could be something of a translator and just if Fido Toph got his little cup of coffee, but he joined this organization in March, like Zamoula's been here a while. He can't, not just talk to him, have conversations, but he can talk to him about what's expected, where things are. Yeah. But you Fido Toph going to be figuring shit out around town too, like, Hey man, where can I get a fucking cup of coffee around here? He goes to move a little, have the answers to those questions as well. And that's why I'm all good with keeping him around. Like he should be in the mix. I don't know how good any of these dudes are. I don't know how good Jamie drives Dale is, like let alone some of these guys. I do want, because I have been iffy on what I think Jamie drives Dale is ultimately going to be. I do like want to point out that he was a 2020 draft pick. And we all know what the year 2020 was. He plays 24 games in that weird 2020, 2021 season. Like not only his development was banned, but the timing of everything is so fucking wacked for everyone, let alone a child at the like 17, 18, 19 years old. Finally, when he did play a full normal season, 81 games, 32 points, like he scored. He did what he was supposed to do in that year. The next year he gets hurt. And then following that, the weird trading camp and the negotiations back for beak and then ultimately traded, like he has been on a weird track. So even if I'm like, Oh yeah, I don't know if I see number one in Jamie drives, Val first pair. I don't know if I see this. If anyone is like, it's just going to take a little longer. You look at this dude's path and go, yeah, there just needs to be some work done because he missed like three years of development. Like it's very, very clear. Even if you don't want to blame the ducks, like just blame time and like time and space. Like, so I do want to, I know I've been down on drives day a little bit, but I cannot deny they're right. He wasn't developed properly, even through no fault of the ducks, just like the way of the world at the time. I do think that bears mentioning again, well, it just it remains to be seen what they can get out of them. They believe they could have an impact level talent. If they develop him the way that they feel he should be developed and I don't think it's going to be a snap your fingers and immediately he's a top hair defense, but I think it's going to take time. I do believe they have the right person to do it in Bradshaw. And I think that should, if he could turn restless line into a play driving defensive defenseman out of whatever the hell he was before that, I'm a guy. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt and I think Jamie dries out as a lot more things going for him in terms of raw skill set than risk line ever did. So I'm intrigued, but it's not a full wrong conclusion and there's also the injury concerns. You know, there's concerns and will he be able to hold up? Will he be able to play a long enough stretches to really take full advantage of the tutelage of a Bradshaw? All this remains to be seen, but the way I'm looking at it is your top four pretty much locked in wrist, so your hope and comes back from the surgery fine and plays and then maybe they can move them and maybe they can move him. Addered is interesting because as you mentioned, he's no longer waiver exams. I almost wonder if like if they tap in a long-term major reserve, I almost wonder if that makes it more likely that adder stays because if they're if they're trying to stay under the cap ceiling to not tap in LTIR having an extra having an extra guy doesn't make it out. It says, but if they're already tapping into it, then it's like, well, we might as well just keep them because we've got $6.25 million on long-term major reserve anyway. It's not going to hurt us any worse to keep at or two and we'll just we will not take the risk the 10% chance that somebody picks up a six foot three decent skating, right shot defenceman and takes a stab at them on their team for the year off of waivers. That might be the best thing for him. The only concern about that in terms of the way they will look at it is does he make the team? He's not playing every night. They might look at it as we would rather him we'd rather take the risk on losing him because we don't think it's going to happen could happen. We don't think and have him play the first 30 games of the HL season and then call him up when someone gets hurt, see what he's got. But I don't know how they're going to they're going to play with the outer situation. It literally might be a you need to have a great camp. And if you have a great camp, we'll find a way to keep it. And if you don't, well, we'll take the risk. It might be that simple. That's like, listen, I'm going to see, I'm going to see Ronnie Atard play and everything. He's going to turn 26 in season end of the season, March 20th, but like, he ain't young. He's older than a lot of guys on this team right now. It's not as if he's going to be some in demand, dude. Yeah. If he was a double, uh, he was a double redraft guy, he got passed over twice. So he was drafted late and then he's had a longer developmental like runway. So yeah, he's older. This is his time. Like just how last year was the moolah's time? It was like, the moolah doesn't do it this year. It's over. Yeah. I mentioned it's, it's Mitch Cobb Monday at the top and honestly that was just to make sure, you know, we have Mitch Cobb's name mentioned at some point, but no, I, I do want to talk about like potential line mates. Cause I saw a lot of like log jam talk on Twitter, like where dudes kind of going to fit in. What's this top nine? And I got to tell you, I don't think there's really a logic. I don't either. Yeah. Right now they have 14 forwards. And that includes Ryan Johansson and Nick Deloria. Now, yes, Nick Deloria, two years ago, played 80 games. Oh shit. Nick Deloria is penciled into this lineup. He played 60 games this past season, Charlie. He played eight of the final 22 games. I got to believe that's the coach recognizing, yeah, this isn't really worth it to anyone, and especially considering they're not tanking, like they want to put out the best 12 guys. That means your fourth line is Kate's paling in half the way. Now I know that they, the coach loves Ryan paling and at some points in this season, he was the one C, but as long as couturier is some semblance of what he was for the first half of the year, as long as Morgan Frost is not chained to the dog house, look, there's a lot of possible towards, like Bobby Bray could get scratched to fair him out. Absolutely. I'm fully expecting there to be at least one game where everyone loses their minds because Mitch Kafka gets scratched. Oh my god. Fully expecting it. Like I'm preparing myself, it's going to take me the full two months left of the offseason to prepare myself mentally for the shit show that Twitter will be, but like it's going to happen. Choose to because it's just Torx, but I think it's very obvious that, and like again, I like to put in the notes app on my phone and screw around with the lines could be. These are not lines. Just in terms of what your top nine is, farby couturier, connect me, Forster Frost, Mitch Kove, Brink, Lawton, tip it like that is a very clear top nine to me. Yeah, I agree. And I don't have like anyone else, I guess if we just love paling, we need to bump them up frost. Guess what? We hate you. But like it's so obvious what this lineup is going to be taking the Torx factor out of it, which you can never do. I just don't really see. I don't see a way for them to be like paling is one of our top three center. I think he'll get some time up there. They'll shuffle it around. If he's pushing out Lawton for if Lawton struggles, sure. Okay. If you want to, if you want to sub out Lawton and paling and make those two interchangeable, you never know, like Lawton could be traded as soon as the show ends. We have no idea. Talk about that in a second. There's a few minutes left, but like, I just don't see any possibility. Like you said, there's a chance Brink gets scratched at decent amount. Well, I mean, just, well, if there's games where they want to get to Lori, because they're going to play, like, Deloria is not just play, he's going to play, he's going to play, especially when there's games where the other team has a heavy way. If Ryan, if they are up against Ryan Reeves or Matt Rampet or one of these points, he's going to play. Yeah. He's got to move somebody out. I just named two guys. Yeah. There's a few. Yeah. I mean, Kate's maybe if if Farby stays in his dog house, maybe he sits sometimes, like there are guys they can sit. I don't think they particularly want to sit a guy like Hathaway. They love them. Obviously they signed her that is extension towards loves frickin loves Ryan Paling really surprised me. I wouldn't be a John Tour de Rela Flyer season if Morgan Frost didn't get scratched at least a couple of times. Like, let's be honest here, it's going to happen. Just what he does. Incredible. Just towards. So I think they'll figure it out. But no, I think the chatter I saw on Twitter today was mostly about the idea that will like Joel Farby won't be in the top six, but I, and well, that might be true at times. I think a lot of it's just going to depend on who's going, who's hot, who's scoring at that point. Do you think a lot of that chatter is it's not that there isn't some truth to it to the fear that like, well, what if Farby and towards are just on the outs and then Farby's value tanks because he ends up spending the whole year on third line. But I do think a lot of it is driven by the, the bias of people on Twitter that just want trades to happen. Yeah. And they're trying to speak a Joel Farby trade into existence by saying that, who is going to be on the third line? I don't want to trade him now or else his value is going to go down. And I don't even think they necessarily even fully believe it. It's just that they want to trade to happen. I just like labeling any of the, any of like whoever is playing with connect me is the de facto top line. I mean, for now until mid until Mitch cough until Mitch cough shows himself to be what we think he can be, but like I'm not expecting that, especially for like the first 30 games. I agree with that. Like I'm not expecting Mitch cough to be what he's going to be in two years right away. If he is fucking cool, so get me the tattoo now. Like let's stay in the cup tattoo, but like I'm slowing down with my early season expectations for him. It's, and maybe they figure out a way to play those two together, you know, it wouldn't be crazy to play connect me and Mitch cough together. He's played the left side before he is. I'm not like, yeah, Mitch cough. He's a lefty. Right. He shoots lefty. Yeah. A lot of opposite side in which I am all for because I think playing your offside gives you the best chance to shoot the puck into the net. And that's fun. But like if Tippett is your first line left wing and that knocks Faraby down, like I don't know. Faraby Katourie a connect me is that that much better than Forster with Lawton and Tippett. Like tell me which one of these is a first or a third line. I just don't see a top two. I don't think you have a top six. I think you have a top nine and it's a bunch of dudes who are basically all the same. And then you have Kate's paling half away to beat the shit out of teams. Like that's kind of what this is. But who do you think is the best possible fit to play with Mitch cough right away? To me, it's Forster and Frost. That's what I lean to. I really liked the idea of Mitch cough and Forster on the same line because I like the size that Forster would bring. We know Forster can play the left side because he played a lot of it last year, even though he's a natural righty. So you can keep Mitch cough on his preferred right side as he's, you know, getting his feet wet at the NHL level. I'm sure at some point down the road, they'll have Mitch cough play some left side. I don't want that to be the first thing they do. Learn one thing. Yeah. Let's let's let's make it as easy for him as possible as he's getting adapted the North American game. But there's no reason why he can't at some point play the left to he can bounce around. That's just the way an NHL lineup works. I like the idea Forster with with Mitch cough. I really dig that then it's just really a matter of whether it's Victoria or Frost. And in theory, I like the playmaking potential of Frost setting up Mitch cough. Mitch cough, as I've said on the show before, he's got great puck skills. He's a wizard with the puck. He can pass, but more than anything he wants to score goals and more than anything more than Frost wants to set up goals. He scoring goals like his last resort. He wants to pass the puck to someone in a dangerous area. That could be a potentially deadly combination. And it also could serve the benefit of making more of Frost look a lot better than we thought he was. So I want to try that. Do I think it's certain it's possible that we find out that Mitch cough works much better with Sean Victoria because Sean Victoria thinks the game is such a high level because he brings the size that Frost doesn't have because he's a playdriver who can give Mitch cough more opportunities in the offensive zone. Maybe that legitimately could be the way it plays out. But the upside potential of Frost Mitch cough excites me more right now in theory than the upside potential of couturier Mitch cough in the middle of July. That's got a long way to go, Chuck. A long way. We got some time. 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Kid is an awesome story. How's this game? I was impressed by Noah Powell. The way I described him in my article is he was one of the eight players that I highlighted in depth with videos and whatnot. He's just noticeable. Like, he's always doing things to make you stand up and notice that he's on the ice, that he's in the middle of a rep. You can see the power for potential. You can see the fact that he has legitimate puck skills. He almost nailed a Forsberg in the scrimmage. Yeah. It actually got stopped. I saw him. It was a good thing. Yeah. But like he, he's got the creativity and he's got the dangles and he's going to try out some fun things. He also, what I really like about him too, he goes to the high danger areas. Like he's going for the slot. He's going for the net front. He's mixing it up in front and his shot, it, it's got some velocity. It's got some zip to it. The one thing that I did notice that I think he needs to work a lot on like he was approaching heart and all down levels of falling. He was falling a lot. Oh, I love it. And you watch him skate and like it's not that he's slow. He's not fast, but he's not slow. There were guys at this camp that were slow, cough, cough, Jack Berglin. But I wouldn't say that he was slow. It's that he doesn't look that strong on his skates. And if he's going to play a power forward style, he's got to look more stable so that he's not just easily getting knocked over when he goes to the dangerous areas. I think he can, he can work on it. I think hopefully as his lower body gets stronger, maybe works with the skating coach. He can improve that. But that was the big red flag I saw, but everything else, no, he looks like a really good fifth round. And you know, like I had to laugh because you're like, well, if he wants to play power forward and it's like one of the best we had in the last 15 years, but like he won battles and stuff. Oh, yeah. He didn't get knocked down that way. He was just a goof and would fall down like for no reason, like away from the play. Yeah. Like that's what made heart no funny. It's like it's not like he got knocked down. It was he just slipped. But yeah, so there's a little bit of a difference there. All right. The next super chat from big, juicy germ, they just germ Sawyer Bolton go boom. I love this kid. So Sawyer Bolton was an invitee. Well, so sort of he was signed actually, I think it was like right at the start of camp. He was signed to an HL only Phantom's contracts. He's more of like a physical goon type. Beautiful. He was noticeable at times at camp. Sure. You know what? Like one thing I will say, I'm not expecting Sawyer Bolton to be even probably not an HL player. As you can attest and we have something up here, a HL fighter goon type legends. They get people into hockey and if that's what we're Bolton is going to be for the fannoms this year. I love it. It was eight years old when I saw Frank by Lois play. Never look back. I love it. That's my kind of hockey. I love it. I love it. Sawyer. Oh, we got to check out some Sawyer Bolton soon. We'll see. Or a podcast listener, and this is a podcast ad. Reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from lips and ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a reproduced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target audience with lips and ads. Go to lips and ads.com now. That's L I B S Y N ads.com and the last super chat of the day from J H. We'll just go think about STG claiming Mitch Cobb mania and by extension whole Romania. I could for that, man. I guess. Cool. Like, you know, we're not trying to start fights here. Yeah. Good for them. They apparently put the shirt out a while ago. I've never listened to their show. I don't follow any of them. So it would be pretty difficult for me to steal that. Also, I can show you the super like my idea for the Mitch Cobb mania shirt was. Totally different. Um, a Russian flag ripping like Hulk Hogan's shirt and, uh, Mitch Cobb, like the Mitch Cobb silhouette, like we have on the mad Russian shirt emerging from that. That's like one, a lot of work to, I don't know if we want to like put out a shirt with the Russian flag, like being ripped. Like that's a bad idea. Yeah. I mean, it's tough given the invasion. The whole thing. They're not there. They're just having there. Probably not exactly very popular as a country right now, maybe not the best idea, ripping it. Maybe not the best. I don't know. I was just spitballing one night. Might have been participating in some extra curriculars. Uh, and the design we came up with, I very much doubt our Denver based merch guy was trying to steal from some other podcast in Philly coincidence. Um, hulkomania, both I and members of their show around the same age, uh, grew up liking wrestling. And hulkomania, the biggest fucking thing there's ever been. So draw your own conclusions from there. Yeah. We're not here to start fights. I don't care. But yeah, I buy it from us. Buy it from them. I don't give a shit. Well, Mitch Cobb mania's running wild. No buy it from us. Yeah. Mitch Cobb mania is running wild either way, uh, all right. So that is all the time we have for you on PHO life flyers today. I like that they paid days that question because there's no way I'd ever address it if they didn't. But it's super chat. So I'll give you the answer. I'll give you all. I'll show you the fucking DM with Eric our first guy like anyway, that's all the time we have for you on PHO life flyers today. Thank you all for listening. 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