3 of 4 points to start the road trip!
(Editing note: the ad break is late, around the 46-minute mark, and after that there's what seems to be a bit of conversation missing. A caller's audio was unusable so i deleted it and picked up the conversation where it'll make sense again. But if you're listening after the ad and can't figure out how this new topic started, you didn't miss anything.)
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