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Jesse Rogers: "I'm getting some mixed signals about Garrett Crochet"

ESPN MLB insider Jesse Rogers joined Ben & Paul on Tuesday morning! Listen here as Jesse tells the guys what he's hearing as we're just a few hours away from the MLB trade deadline, whether or not he thinks White Sox ace Garrett Crochet will be traded, and MUCH more!

Duration:: 17m
Broadcast on:: 30 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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Just give us kind of an update on kind of what you're hearing this morning, especially centered around Garrett Crochet, someone that the Padres have shown interested in. But of course, it's come with a lot of complications in the last few days. Good morning, Jesse. - Yeah, good morning to you guys. Yeah, as of this moment, I wish I had better info. I'm getting some mixed signals about Crochet at this very second. I'm not sure that he's going to be traded, but I will tell you, when I woke up this morning and started making a few calls or texts, I guess, I thought that he was. So within a couple hours, I've kind of changed my tune on that. So I guess it's still possible. But right now, I'm thinking it may not happen, which means it will definitely happen in the off season. But we don't care about that. We care about the deadline today. So I guess if it's going to sort of happen under the radar at the last second, the Padres are as good as any team to choose here. I know they've been scouting him and AJ Preller is pretty good at the flight of hand moves. So I'll leave open the possibility, but in this moment, this very moment, I'm not sure that he's going to get moved. - So if it doesn't happen, presumably, it's because Chris gets things he can get more because of the innings restrictions, because of Crochet's comments about needing a contract extension and not pitching in the playoffs. You know, it's a seller's market right now, but Crochet in some ways, Jesse kind of tied the hands of the White Sox a little bit. - Yeah, he absolutely did. It was all very strategic. It's a cutthroat business. Agents are cutthroat executives. They're cutthroat. It is what it is. And so, yeah, he put it out there that he wants an extension to pitch that extra month, and I get it. I think more people get it than back in the day when we're like, what do you mean? It's the playoffs. You got a pitch, but you know what? You have to stand up yourself and here's the thing. If he stays on the White Sox, okay, they are going to ramp him down and probably shut him down at some point. If he was traded to a team not in contention, they would probably do the same thing. So you have to understand, teams, just like in 2012 with the Nationals and Steven Strasburg, teams, the team shut him down. So it's not like it's not on the mind of executive, it's just that when you have a chance to win the World Series, you're going to want to push the guy. But he has muddied the trade waters here for sure, probably enough that he may not get moved. But I'll tell you, the back and forth between the sides kind of had me thinking late last night. They got to get him out just to move on from this. But again, it's just two more months. The team's going nowhere. They can always do it in November. So I think, yeah, full value might come in November when a team training forum knows now he's built up his innings. I don't think his trade value is going to lessen the next two months. People know who he is now. I think he's established himself. So I think he's thinking why not open it up to 2019 instead of maybe just a few that will use him the right way. Because I don't think anyone's giving him an extension right now. I think the answer would be they would use him down the stretch and then go ahead and shut him down even if their team made the playoffs. I get that it's smart baseball. You're out of it far out of it if you're the white Sox and you trade away some players, what wouldn't you? I mean, it's not going well. But at some point, I mean, they're getting to the really embarrassing level. So I mean, 15 game losing streak out of 14 game or early historically bad season. And now they're facing a potentially the last couple of months with nothing but minor league call-ups and fill-ins for the rest of the season. This could get historically ugly, Jesse. Oh, there's no doubt I've been there the last little while to have been there all season to be honest, being based in Chicago. I was there yesterday. Saw Bobby Whit hit an eighth inning grand slam. Here's a note to pitchers. Don't walk the two guys in front of Bobby Whit. When you're trailing, when you're leading by a run. It is one bad thing after another. And now they lost their closure, trading copek. They lost their second best starter in Betty. More are going to go today, whether it's crochet or not. It's a disaster. But I guess in some ways, what's the difference? If it's 110, 115, 120. Although, I don't think you want that under your resume. The most losses in the history of the game. So I guess you want to avoid the 120, 121 mark. But, yeah, it's embarrassing. The owner held the press conference last week-- I'm sorry, last year that will go down in history. When he said, I'm doing what I'm doing, because I think this is a quick fix. He said that when he hired Chris Schatz. I think we can get right back in it. And here, a year later, they're going to challenge for one of the worst teams in history. So I think for Chris Schatz, the new GM, it's like, what's the difference? Let's rip off the Band-Aid, get as many prospects in as we can. And just move on from there. Talking to ESP and MLB insider Jesse Rogers here. So if crochet doesn't get moved, and you're not positive about that, doesn't look like the Tigers are going to move scuba. We saw some reporting today. I thought after the Giants traded Solaire that they might be selling. But I saw some reporting today that they're going to keep Blake Snell and still try to make a push to the playoffs. Kakuchi was traded yesterday. What pitchers do you expect starting pitchers to be traded today because that's what the Padres and several other teams are really looking at most intently here before 3 o'clock Pacific? I mean, Jack Clarity is at the top of the list. He is absolutely at the top of the list. And I don't think the Padres want to take on a lot of money. That's why crochet kind of made sense without the extension. Of course, clarity makes sense. Rental, you kind of used up a lot of your prospect capital on Jason Adam. You'll have to use more on flarity. But it's obviously a two month rental. It's a little bit easier of a thing to swallow here. So I don't have any information about the Padres in on flarity. It just would make sense. He is absolutely going. I kind of know what the Tigers are up to. The fact that they scratched them last night means they must be close. But even if they hadn't scratched them, I still think they were going to trade them. Scott Harris, the president there, is kind of indicated to all parties that he doesn't think they're going to win this year. And maybe even not next year. I think Scott Harris and the Tigers are really in it for the long haul, trying to build. What could be a monster eventually in the AL Central? The Detroit Tigers is a coveted job among executives for a lot of different reasons. The AL Central is not that difficult of a division most years. This year it's a good one. And the Illich family will spend. And they have fans there that will show up. It's a good job to have. But there's no reason to rush it. So I think Flaherty is at the top of the list of players to be traded. I think the reliever market is really going to move after that. Like you said, we've seen starters go. There's probably a couple others that will move. But Flaherty is at the top of the list. And then you're going to see a bunch of relievers go, including Tanner Scott and Kyle Finnegan, in my opinion. And we saw what Jason Adam and Estebevas brought back to their team. So I think the reliever market is pretty plentiful in terms of getting prospects back. And I expect that to move more than the starters today. What kind of programs does this school have? How are the test scores? How many kids do a classroom? 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What was your kind of analysis of that deal? Yeah, I mean, I defer to the experts in our own. At ESPN said the same thing. The two prospects that are in the minors, one's out for the season with an injury, but both are not highly rated. The one majorly player, Miguel Vargas, I think could be good. The numbers don't look good right now with the Dodgers, but it's really hard to break in as a young player with the Dodgers. You look at what Michael Bush did. He was blocked in LA, he comes to the Cubs. He's a candidate, rookie of the year. Miguel Vargas could blossom on the White Sox, 500, getting 500 at bats, no pressure. But yes, it still wasn't enough. I think Chris gets sort of viewed it this way. Eric Fettie kind of came out of nowhere for them. Signed from Korea, seven and a half million this year, seven and a half million next year. Tommy Pham appeared in April out of nowhere, like he took two guys that appeared out of nowhere and turned them into three prospects. So the problem is, first of all, don't forget about Michael Copac who could be a valuable late-ending reliever. And the fact of the matter is Eric Fettie is really good. I mean, you got to get past the fact that he appeared out of nowhere and realize you have a talent that a lot of people want at a nice price for this year and next. And I don't think he maximized that value. The way it was described to me is yes, if Fettie was a rental this year, maybe the deal makes a little bit more sense. But the fact that the Cardinals get him for next year as well, White Sox did not do enough. I think most people are panning the Astros and the White Sox for their returns they got for their deals yesterday. - All right, last thing before you go, Jesse, obviously we've seen a very active trade deadline. I think there's a number of reasons for it. A lot of teams still in contention, obviously no more non-waver trade deadline. So you've got teams being more active. Are those changes good? More playoff spots available. Do you think this is good for baseball the way it's set up? Or would you make more changes to the trade deadline rules in the future? - Yeah, that's a good question. I actually wrote an Olympic thing. And when they have the Olympics in four years of baseball players playing it, they're gonna have to change the trade deadline. And I was talking to someone about that. Once they change it once, sometimes you're forced to do a change and then you realize that's the better way of doing it. I think it's still evolving. It's still early to know if this is the right way to do things with so many teams in it. You know, we're gonna still see what baseball wants is a lot of trades. And there was a feeling with so many teams in it now with a third wildcard that there wouldn't be as many sellers. But we always say that on June 1st. And then come July 30th, okay, the NACs aren't really a contender. The Cubs aren't a contender. I don't think the Giants, it all kind of separates. They'll be those odd years where 13 out of 15 teams are in the wildcard or the division hunt. And a month ago we thought this could be one of those years and there wouldn't be a lot of trades. But we've seen a bunch of trades. We're gonna see a bunch now. So I think the league would say, nah, it's okay. The system's working, but there's going to be a few of those years where it really is a seller's mark and there's not that many trades and will all be critical. But I think we're seeing enough. You know, maybe not the biggest names are moving. We thought Peter Lanzo and JD Martin is at one point, but the Mets got back in it. So I think the jury is still out if this system is working, but I think they're okay with what they're seeing this year. - Jesse, really appreciate it. I know it's a busy day. Thank you so much for your time this morning and hopefully everything breaks well for you at least today. - Thank you guys for having me on. It should be an interesting, interesting day. One thing about the Padres, man, I have never seen a streaker team that I mean, how many times have you guys thought they're in it? They're out of it, they're in it, they're out of the week. - You go back over there last two months. It's essentially an unending string of five and oh, oh and five, five and oh, oh and five, seven and one. Oh, one and seven, 12 and three, oh and six, five and one. - Yeah. - There's no, let's win one, lose one, win one, lose one. It doesn't happen for this team. - Yeah, it makes for good talk radio. I will tell you that. - Yes, it does. It also drives us crazy. It drives us crazy. Thanks Jesse. - For sure. All right guys, take care. - Jesse Rogers, ESPN MLB insider. - You don't just live in your home. You live in your neighborhood as well. 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