(upbeat music) - We're at a here for the culture. Love you. (upbeat music) - Well, Brad, how are you doing? - I'm all right. I'm all right. I've had a lot of family in town. It's been busy, but I guess that's good, you know? Like seeing people. It's just, it's just logistically tough. - Yeah, this is why you don't have kids. They're difficult to organize, like, during counts. - Yeah, it's like my older sister and her three kids were in town and then my younger sister and her three kids are arriving this week and my cousin and her three kids were in town. - Were they all staying with you? - No. - Oh, thank God. Jesus Christ. - And I felt like sort of bad. I was like, do I, like, if I were a good person, I would be like, yeah, come stay with us, but like our house. - And then they were good people. They'd be like, well, so you don't have a towel anyways. (laughs) - Like, first of all, I should just say that as a personal matter, I mean, I guess we have stayed at my little sister's house for the holidays, but like, that's because they invited us 'cause they want the kids to all be together at Christmas. But generally speaking, I would never stay at anybody's house. - No, never. I would always stay at a hotel. Even if it was like Christmas, I'd probably be like, well, stay at a hotel except for Christmas night and then the kids can obviously be over that night. You know, like it's like anything besides that just feels like too much. - Yeah, it's just, it's a lot. - Less than a really rich person. - I'm just like thinking to myself, like, yeah, they don't think we're assholes for not inviting them. - I mean, it's our sister, right? Like, I feel like if it were my brother, I would just be like, am I an asshole for not inviting you to the house? Like, I would, but it's not comfortable, like-- - Right, right, right. I guess you should just say, I don't know. It's just like-- - But I don't know, people have different relationships with their siblings than I do. - Well, yeah, cousins and like, I don't know what, I don't know what's expected, you know? I feel like pretty like easygoing family-oriented people would be like, yeah, just come stay. And like, for me, I think it's because I work at home too. It's just like-- - And the thing about that is like, your family will be like, oh yeah, like come stay. And then like quietly they're having like a whole meltdown about it and be like, oh my God, we have to clean the whole house. We have to like give them guest room and do all this shit. Like it's like, you can be like, oh friendly, no big deal, but like it's a big deal for anybody who does that. - Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot. So anyway, just do it doing all that and try-- - I don't want one bedroom apartment. So no one's asking me to stay over. Unless it's like my friend Janice, and then we just like sleep in my bed for four days until our sleep's in the couch and that's pretty much-- - That's how it happens. Wait, she's the only person who has access to your apartment? - No, no, plenty of people have access to my apartment, but like there's one bed and there's a couch. So if they're sleeping over, they're sleeping on the couch, they're sleeping in the bed with me and Tyler sleeping on the couch. - We should make note of the fact that I have never been in your apartment. I've never been invited to your apartment. There's been no-- - Oh, no, that was my last apartment you came to. - Briefly. - Brad, you are welcome over any time. It's a total mess and I have a big collection of Calico critters, but maybe you'll like it. - What's a Calico critter? - Wow, is this a new early bride learn segment? - I think it might be. - Okay, let's see, hold on. Calico critters are known as Sylvanian families in Europe, and they are these little toys for those who are not watching the program. These are just the ones that I had nearest by. - Well, you collect these? - I've got so many, it's humiliating and I won't show you. Oh, wait, this is my favorite one though. I have one that said nothing, that's from the 80s. - Wow. - Let's see. - Okay. - They're like these little guys and they come in like little outfits. - So are you gonna like eBay these things? I saw that you have it still in the package. Like, are you like a collector for real? - No, I just like the way that they look. - Oh, you do? - They come in pretty packages where like they have like a little background and stuff and they just look nice. - These are like, these are like super hero action figures for women. - For me, I think mostly they're for children. I don't know if they're for adult women besides freaks such as myself, but I don't know, I like miniatures. I'm not even gonna show you the miniature scale model of like a 1970s drug den that I made 'cause that's gonna make me seem really psychotic, but I made a tiny stripper pole and tiny money all over the stripper pole and a little mirror with cocaine on it. - What's the cocaine? What is the cocaine made of? - It is baking soda. - Baking soda, okay. That would be pretty punk rock if you actually use cocaine. - If I had cocaine to use, I would. I don't even like snorting it. So why not put it in the, I don't like snorting it anymore, I should say. So why not put it in the 70s drug den miniature, but I don't have any cocaine and then it's too expensive for me now, so. - All right. Well, let's do some, I think we have some listener feedback. Is that correct? - It looks like we do. Would you like to read that out, Brad? - Yeah, there's a letter from a listener named Matthew. It's two parts. Number one, he says, if the hawk to a girl somehow had an accident and lost her short-- - No, we're gonna fucking escape this girl. She is gonna just be there just every fucking episode. You're gonna have a new piece of news about the hawk to a girl. - Since, yeah, I think I sent you a link. She met RFK Jr. She's all over though. She's gonna be at the Democratic-- - Like extra insane though. It was like, she met Jeff K. Jr. at like a Bitcoin NFT convention, like where she was like a guest star for some reason, like. - I think Kamala is going to seek the coveted hawk to endorsement. I think it's Kamala. - I mean, if she gets that, she is a shoe in. I mean, how could she ever lose? So, Matthew says, number one, if the hawk to a girl somehow had an accident and lost her short-term memory and had no idea what was going on or why people were calling her hawk to, how would you explain to her how she had become famous? - Brad, would you like to take this one for me? (laughing) Like the one that I wanna know what your answer is? - I think that-- - I think that-- - With her innocent face, not knowing what she's done, not knowing why she's famous. - I think that-- - I think that hawk to a, when she spoke for the first time, the phrase, or not for the first time, but when she spoke on camera that phrase, hawk to a, and she made that joke that like launched her into a super stardom, I don't think it was the first time she'd made that joke. That's what I think. I think that was like, like the whole thing was-- - If you were like hawk to a, and she'd be like, oh. - Yeah, yeah, I know what hawk to is. - I think it's something she and her like Tennessee buddies had made, like that's a joke they had made before. That's how it felt. - That seems, that feels realistic. I feel like that's right. But you'd have to be like, somebody came up to you with a microphone while you were out drunk with your friends and asked how do you please a man? And you said hawk to a, and then the whole, like it's like so many steps like this. - Right, but I don't think any of it would be that big of a surprise to her is the thing. Like, oh, I was drunk, oh, some guy came up to us on the street in Nashville. I mean, but I mean, I think what would be a surprise is just the simple fact that it made her famous. It's just so, I, you know, I will continue to find that whole thing fascinating for that reason. Just like, that's how you get famous in this world. So fucked up, but-- - I would simply tell her that she made a racist joke about Native Americans on a microphone and now everyone's mad at her. (laughing) - Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she, like the other thing I wanna know is I really do wanna know how much money she's raking in from all this. Like, I would love to go-- - I read that she got something like $30,000 for a club appearance. - Yeah, and she's doing multiple of these. Like, she's all over, she's on tour, right? - She can buy a house after this. - Good for her. I mean, honestly, good for her. - Good. - And like a house in, you know, in Tennessee where she lives is probably relatively affordable. So she's-- - Sure, in her grandma, she can have a nice house in her little town. - Get herself a swimming pool. - That's great. So Matthew has a second part to his letter where he says number two. - I wanna do it, that's two. - He says Kamala Harris, if she wins, will be our first and arguably Gen X president. The key question, therefore, that needs to be asked is which breakfast club character is she? So I think you were raising your finger because I think technically she's not Gen X. She's like one, I wanna say she's one year out of it. She's right on the cusp. I mean, she-- - She's really on the cusp. - I put my finger down 'cause she's like, well, 'cause she's like 60, I think. - She's 59, and I think actually she's probably like at the oldest end of the Gen X range. I'm maybe closer to the youngest. - Yeah, she's only like a year or two out though. It's like, that's fair. - And I think maybe her sensibility, like some of this stuff is arbitrary. Like, is it the year or is it like your attitude and general orientation to the world? - For example, everybody views me as Gen Z despite being millennial because of my youthful glow, so. - People don't mistake me for a millennial. They're like, yeah, that mother fuckers. Some people think I'm a boomer. - Such as me, I think I've called you a boomer a lot of times. - I think I'm very Gen X. - Yeah, you are. - I'm very Gen X. And I think too that Gen X is, you know, as being like a smaller and more overlooked, you know, generational block. And by the way, I hate these distinctions anyway. I hate these arguments about which generation is good. Like, you grow up. - They're all bad. - We gotta grow up. Yeah, we're all bad. - Yeah. - But I do think Gen X in a general sense is sort of hungry to have some representation in the country like this. - They've always been, they're always just like, nah, like look at us. - We're like the middle child syndrome or something. Like overload. - Yeah. - Always just like yelling and being like, I don't like this or that thing. Everyone's sewing out. (laughing) - So Kamala Harris, if she wins, which breakfast club character would she be? Okay. So I can speak- - You have an answer for this. I can tell. - Well, this is the, again, I'm a Gen X. This movie was formative. These John Hughes teen movies, which frankly have not aged all that well. - No, they have not. I weirdly watched a movie last night that had the golf girl from breakfast club in it. And I was remembering how annoying her plot line is where she gets happy. And she's like, I work pink suddenly. - Yeah, yeah, it's very strange. But I recently watched, I made my daughter watch the breakfast club with me. - How'd she like it? - Yeah. She was like, this is kind of weird. - Yeah. - But I would say that there is no Kamala Harris in breakfast club. It's the whitest movie ever. And- - So like, if Kamala Harris was white, would she be someone in breakfast club eventually? - Not really. 'Cause there's only two girls. It's Molly Ringwald, who's like the princess. And then it's- - We got her. - At least she, Goph is like kind of a stretch. She's just weird. She's like a dancer. She can't talk until the end. - If anything, she's one of the dudes. Like if anything, she's like maybe one of like the, like it's one of them kind of a druggie, is one of them kind of a stoner. - Yeah, Judd Nelson plays bender. - She's not like the girl. - No, and she's not the jock. And she's not Anthony Michael Hall to whom I was often compared when I was a child. If there was a celebrity to whom I was compared, it was Anthony Michael Hall in his John Hughes era. Like my friend's mom. - Can you imagine what he looks like actually? Like white people- - He plays Brian Johnson, the nerd. - Wow, you know their names, Jesus. - Dude. - You're really Jenn X. - I just, for some reason, remember his. John Bender was Judd Nelson. Claire is Molly Ringwald. And then I forget who Emilio asked of his, what the athlete. Ringwald was my neighbor growing up. Oh Dexter, Michael C. Hall, yeah. I could say that. - No, no, Michael Anthony Hall. - Oh, then I don't know what you're talking about. - Anyway, I don't think Kamala Harris is represented. I think that the John Hughes universe is frankly a little bit racist. Like not even like racially insensitive, but if you watch "16 Candles" and see- - What's great up racist? - Like long duck dong, are you kidding me? And like, you know, like generationally, you grew up watching that movie and being like, "Oh, it was kind of a joke." Then you're like, you look back and you're like, "Oh God." - Yeah, it's crazy, right? Like looking back, how fucking insanely inappropriate shit can be, like- - Like what's the Audrey Hepburn movie? Breakfast at Tiffany's with Andy Rooney. Is it Andy Rooney or Anne? - Mickey Rooney? - Mickey Rooney, yeah, Andy Rooney's the guy at 60 minutes. (laughing) - Yeah, Mickey Rooney do it. 'Cause like breakfast at Tiffany's was like, I guess it was a weird kid, I don't know. But like growing up, like as like a little kid, like kindergarten through second grade, it was breakfast at Tiffany's and some like it hot. They were like, I would watch them over and over and over and over again. And like, my mom had to kind of like explain to me in like a little kid way. Like what Mickey Rooney is doing there is like not actually funny. It's pretty racist and incorrect and like maybe don't do like impressions of it or like don't like laugh at it too much. Like it was a, as she didn't even begin to explain the whole like, how they go lightly is a prostitute thing to me. But it was definitely confusing to figure out when I was little. - Right, right. Yeah, I feel like, despite that, I mean that part of it aside, Audrey Hepburn is so charming. - I- - It's so beautiful and so stylish. Like even I am like, entranced. It's, she's the best. - I, she, I would like, when I was younger, I would watch any movie that she was in. And even if the movie was boring, it was like, well, she's got these outfits on and she like looks this way and she's acting this and she's just like so compelling. Like in a way that like, I think a lot of people felt about, and I feel too about Marilyn Monroe. Like Audrey Hepburn, like I cannot stop looking at her. Like. - And she, I think she was really a good person. Like really like a good, warm kind soul. And I think- - She did so much charity work when she was older. She's like a Dolly Parton style. Like just like really a good person. - Yeah. And just like- - Like it was when she was younger. Like had like was like a, I think a refugee or something from like, I don't know what war, but like she was like, had like a really rough childhood. And like then she did ballet and she was like, noticed for doing that and got a career out of it. - She, she's beautiful. And like Roman Holiday, I think that's the one. That's probably your best, best known movie. It's a great movie. - Yeah, or she's also charade. Charade's a really good one. - What is, what is that one? I think I've seen that one. Is that with a, is that with not Gary Cooper, but the guy who did all the acid, he's a- - Motherfuck, what is that guy's name? Oh, I'm gonna have to look this up. It's gonna make me insane. Charade, there's probably people listening and they're like, I know who it is. - Yeah, as soon as you say it, as soon as you say it, I'm gonna know. - Carrie Grant. - Carrie Grant, right. That's the one where they're in the ski town or whatever. They're on the mountain. - Yeah, and there's like, it's a crime thriller thing. - Paris, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that one too. Yeah. - Yum, spoiler alert. - All right. Well, so Matthew, Kamala Harris is not represented in the John Hughes universe would be my answer. I just don't see a core- - The other movies Brad can analyze and decide which one is Kamala Harris, but Kamala Harris somewhere. - I mean, but you know, maybe. Yeah, I'm sure there's something, but not definitely not in the John Hughes cinematic universe. And if you are out there and you want to write to us and ask us questions or give us feedback, you can email the show letters@otherppl.com. So where are we in the world of the culture, Marah, like what's going on out there? - Well, let's see. Where are we in the world of culture, Brad? Well, besides the Hawk to a girl who, you know, it's very important. We're gonna talk about some other people. I hope that's okay with you. - Yeah, yeah. - So we're gonna talk about Justin Timberlake's driving under the influence arrest. So Justin Timberlake, essentially Justin Timberlake in the Hamptons was recently arrested for driving under the influence. We don't know what he was on. We don't know. - I think he was just, he was drunk, right? - Yeah, we haven't like heard, we don't know, he hasn't been tested or anything like, like we don't know exactly what the drugs were and the cops are like, we don't know either 'cause he wouldn't realize her. - But was he on drugs? - Yes, I mean, he was visibly on drugs enough to be arrested, even though he didn't do a breathalyzer. - Well, no, but on drugs is different than he was drunk. I think he was out drinking and he was, but was he also like doing cocaine or something or no? - Well, it's like, I think he might have been and he'd certainly looked like he was. But I don't think that they were like able to test him for any drugs or anything because I don't think that they're pressing charges. He's gonna get out of it. - Yeah, I think he's gonna get out of it. But so basically the cops pulled him over. They were like, you smell like alcohol, your eyes are red, you look high as hell, like this is not like, I think the fact that he smelled like alcohol, they were like, we're not gonna like keep driving. So his friends who he was staying with said to the cops, like, first of all, they said, are you really gonna arrest Justin Timberlake? And the cop was like, what the fuck? Like, I don't know who this person is 'cause he was too young to know who Justin Timberlake is. And then the lady was like who Justin Timberlake was with. He was staying at their house. It was like a couple. And she was like, okay, well, can I drive his rental car back to the house? And like, yeah, so that the car is at the house. Like, and we can go pick him up at the jail or whatever. And the cop was like, sure, even though this woman was clearly also drinking and would also smell like alcohol and it also just been in the exact same place that Justin Timberlake was in. - So wait, let me stop you. - So this woman was with Justin Timberlake when he got pulled over? - So she was like driving behind him. They were like in like a caravan, going to her house to stay over for the night. It was like her and her husband's house, I guess. - And she was visibly wasted? - She smelled like alcohol, just like Justin Timberlake did. And they had been at the same place, so presumably were ingesting the same drugs. - But who said she smelled like alcohol, the cop? - Yeah. - And he let her just drive? - Yeah. - Without testing her? - They're without a test, nothing. And so I guess Justin's lawyer is trying to, I guess they are pressing charges 'cause he's trying to get the case dismissed. And they're trying to argue that the two young cops were off in their judgment because they let somebody who had clearly been drinking drive in his car, even though they had just pulled him over for drinking. - So what's gonna happen if you will recall our conversation from last week is that this is gonna go to court and Jessica Beale is gonna be sitting there as the loving wife. And the judge is going to dismiss the case, much like Alec Baldwin's case was dismissed. Justin and Jessica will break down sobbing and I watching the-- - You will also break down sobbing. - The viral video on social media will experience empathy tears. And I will sob as I celebrate their exoneration. - They're anti-vaxxers, will that make you sell less? - Are they? - Mm-hmm. I don't get, honestly, I feel like Jessica Beale seems, I don't know, she seems like a nice, there's no problem with her. I've never heard of-- - Nice enough, I guess, but there's still anti-vaxxers. - He's kind of a, he's kind of strange. - No, he's not nice, he's a fun asshole. - He's got kind of like a, he's got an ego on him. That's what I feel like. He's sort of arrogant or something. - I mean, imagine like a cop pulled him over and he was like, this is gonna ruin the tour. And the cop goes, what tour? And he goes, the world tour. - Yeah, you're living in your own little. - Like what tour, you're all the world tour. Oh, so I, duh, I didn't even think of that. Like what? He doesn't know who you are. - Yeah. What is it with these celebrities? I remember Reese Witherspoon did this. They get tanked, like their inhibitions are down. They get scared 'cause they're pulled over for a DUI and they immediately play that car. Like don't you know who I am sort of thing? - I think I kind of understand it. Like if I were like a celebrity and like I knew that like a cop would probably knock, give me a ticket if I like busted that out and maybe took a picture with him or something. Like I would do that. - Yeah, but they can't. - I don't know about that. - Really? That like doesn't really make sense. I feel like that'll just make the cop more mad and like he doesn't have to treat you differently. - But the thing is the cop should instigate it. The cop should be like, oh my God. Like Reese Witherspoon, it shouldn't be like you being like, hey, by the way, don't you know who I am? Like. - It happens to celebrities a lot though where a cop will pull them over and they'll be like, by the way, did you know I'm blank? And they'll be like, oh, like my daughter loves you. Like I'm not going to give you a ticket. Like you see pictures of celebrities with cops like, oh, taking a picture. Like that's what's happening. - Like if I'm a celebrity and I get pulled over for speeding and then the cop takes my license and it's like, oh my God. I love your podcast. (laughs) You know, can I get a selfie? I would be like, yeah, you know, sure, I'll get out of this ticket. Like I don't begrudge somebody for getting out of the ticket because they're a celebrity. What I begrudge is them acting entitled and like laying that on a cop in an effort to like, somehow. - I mean, it's like one thing where like, you can tell it's clearly worked in like stores before, you know, like some like there, I like the Chanel store or whatever and like, oh, I'm Justin Timberlake and then everyone's nice to them. But like, that's a cop. It's not the same. - Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like people who are famous, like it's really hard to stay sane because you're in this world where everyone's kissing your ass and telling you yes. And that's just what you, even good people, you become accustomed to that and it sneaks up on you. And then suddenly you're just out of touch, you know, it's weird. - I think it's a famous person. Like one of the most important things that you can have are like people around you who are willing to stay now, like people around you who are willing to say like, that's stupid, don't do that. That's a bad idea. Like I feel like so many celebrities don't have somebody who's like willing to say no. They only have people who are like, yes, that's great. We love that. We love you. We end up doing Tom Shit and not having any perspective about it. - Yeah. - Like you need somebody there who's like not afraid of you. - That's right. And people who like actually care about you enough to tell you when you're being a dipshit, you know? - Yeah, exactly. You need like a good parent, but like, or a friend or whatever it is. - Yeah. Hey you guys, it is summertime. It's beautiful. It's hot. It's sunny. 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Have you heard about this Brad, the ballerina farms? - No, I have no idea what that even is. - So, okay, this is like a long story. So let's see. So this woman, Hannah Neillman, is the wife of a billionaire. He has the heir to, I wanna say JetBlue Airlines. He, I believe like runs JetBlue Airlines. His dad founded it. And he married this woman, Hannah Neillman, who when he met her, she was, she knew him via his dad, some kind of like event thing. She went to Juilliard. Right, this is in college. And he, I think like went to like a neighboring school or something like that when she met him at an event that his dad had thrown. And so they knew each other. And so he, I guess liked her. He was into her. And so he did this weird fucking thing where he, let me make sure I'm getting this right. He found out that she was flying somewhere and he booked a ticket next to her on the flight. Yeah, okay. So her husband is named Daniel. - Right, and is Daniel the heir to the JetBlue fortune or whatever? - So he's, his dad founded JetBlue. He's the heir to the JetBlue fortune. And so he learned that Hannah, his now wife, would be getting a flight from New York City where she went to Juilliard where they both lived to their hometown of Salt Lake City where they both grew up. She grew up a devout Mormon. I believe he was Mormon-ish, right? So he had like kind of expressed romantic interest in her. She said, okay, well, I'm very Mormon and I want to take a year before I get married to date around and to finish school, right? She was a ballerina at Juilliard. And so on their way to Salt Lake City from New York, he booked a seat assigned next to her on this flight 'cause he could see via being the heir to JetBlue airlines that she had a ticket. And he paid on her for the whole flight, was like, I want to marry you, I want to date you. And basically, after that moment, they were together forever. He impregnated her during her last year at Juilliard, making her the only person who's ever gotten pregnant during their time at Juilliard. (laughing) - Is that a distinction? You get like a ribbon for that or something, let's see. - I mean, she should get a ribbon, it's a... - Good God, look at this. I'm looking at these pictures. How many kids do they have? - Dude, they have so many fucking, so they have, so he was also raised a Mormon. She was raised a Mormon. He's one of nine children himself, and they have 12. - They have 12 kids? - Yeah, and so... - She's like a trad wife, right? This is what this is called? - Yeah, the trad wife, it's like traditional wife. And so basically, they got married. She, they got a farm that they live on, right? Her dream was to have like a little farm with like a couple of chickens and some vegetables or whatever, and then convert the barn into a dance studio for herself. Then we get to now, many years later, she has 12 children who she has given birth to naturally for all of them at home. And this article begins, this article that made her go viral begins talking about how she had two dates, two due dates for her baby, her most recent baby. One was giving birth to the baby, and one was two weeks later competing in a Miss America pageant, which she did. - After giving birth. - Gave birth, 12 days later, competed in a Miss America pageant. Okay. She later tells a story in here about how, so she says, she's given birth, I think it was like on her 10th baby or something like that. Her husband has told her you're not allowed to use any pain drugs during your births ever. And the one time that she did get pain drugs was when he was out of town for her birth. And she described the birth as being like a break. She was like, wow, it was so nice to like have those pain meds during that birth, who my husband was out of town for this short amount of time. So like, this is the life this poor woman is leading. Like, she chose it and she's married to a billionaire. And she is giving birth in a fucking barn with no pain medication to 12 children. Like, and giving up her career as a ballerina, competing in a Miss America pageant 12 days after she's given birth to a baby. And like, I think what made it really like get intensely viral was, I mean, everything that I just said, but also there's this TikTok of her on her birthday. She had said, I wanna go to Greece. You're the heir to JetBlue Airlines. It can't be that hard to go to Greece. It's a literal billionaire. You know what he gets her? He gets her a fucking apron that looks like the Greek flag that has little pockets in it for eggs. So that when she goes out to the chickens to get the eggs, she has a little apron to put it in. This is what he got her instead of a trip to Greece. When she asked for her trip to Greece. - Hannah Neelman is her name. - Hannah Neelman is her name. - And I gotta say too, it looks like they have eight kids. I'm counting eight. - Eight, not 12, right? That makes sense. What's the difference after a certain point? - Yeah, and she's like giving birth to all of them at home. Husband won't let her have any drugs. Additionally, her husband won't let her have any help. No nannies, no maids, no one to help her with like harvesting the eggs and milk that she sells from her ballerina farm, which is what her farm is called. - What is he doing? What is he doing? Is he like just sitting on the bed? He runs JetBlue. I believe so, like he's got some high level job at JetBlue. And he just makes a bunch of money and then his wife does all of this shit. This like came into the, people started talking about it because there was this article in The Times that was like a profile of her and her husband and how fucking insane and weird they are. I guess like, so like I'm reading this and like they started dating within three months or they started, they got married rather within three months of their first date. They met at a college basketball game. They had a date a couple months later. - Wait, I thought they met on a plane. - They met on a at a college basketball game and then she was flying back to Salt Lake City from New York and he pulled some strings to get assigned in the seat next door on the plane where he then hit on her and they then got married three months later. - God, why do you think they got married so fast? Is it because they were like virgins and they were just desperate to have sex or? - I think that's why part of it. And just like being Mormon, like you like as Mormons you can't like be with somebody in a serious way unless like you're gonna get married right away. And like she was like probably 20 something at that point and she's 34 now and has had eight children. - Oh my God. - I assume she was probably 20 something when that happened which is like how old you're supposed to be when you get married as a Mormon. So like they were probably like TikTok like time to get married, like you gotta do it now. And he's a billionaire. So she was probably encouraged like, you know, whatever. - And she's a billionaire trad wife. - She's a wife of a billionaire. I mean, she's the vibe of her. I'd be fucking out of there taking half those billion dollars and just making my own little dance studio and having a nice fucking life. Like, yeah, so like she, the profile says that she had dreams to turn the small barn on their land into a dance studio. But instead the barn became a classroom for their children where she teaches them. She does homeschooling for them, all of the childcare, all of the care of the fucking barn. In this profile, it says that her husband handles the laundry. What is, is she miserable or she's happy doing this? - She claims to be happy. But in this article, she also says that sometimes she gets so ill from exhaustion that she can't get out of bed for a week. Which does not sound like a happy person, I mean. - Jesus Christ. She's gorgeous. I mean, these people. - Gorgeous. - Yeah, gorgeous ballerina with eight kids at age 34. I mean, and she can't, and he won't let her have what? - Any help. And no pain killers when she gives birth. - And yeah, she gives birth no pain killer. She said that she did once get pain killers during the birth because her husband was out of town. And she was like, that feels so good. I was so happy about it. As a giving birth is like a break from your regular life. - Yeah. - The worst thing you've ever experienced. - I feel like this trad wife thing is sort of like a TikTok sensation, right? Like this is sort of like a trending cultural thing. - It's like a TikTok thing, but it's also like, it's like a Republican thing. It's like a right wing conservative thing where like they want women to be traditional wives who are like in the kitchen. And they're like gathering eggs and taking care of your kids. And they're also supermodels and they're also Miss America, but they can't really do anything besides that. You know, like just weird, weird shit. It's like, and she claims that she likes it, but I don't know. I don't know. And you got eight kids with this guy. I mean, you sort of have to like it, right? I mean, I don't know. - I think maybe you like it. You know, I mean, Mormons don't really believe in divorce. So it's like, I have to imagine there's some serious pressure there in terms of like not getting divorced. Like she needs to make it work in her mind. - Maybe they're, maybe they're happy. I don't, I don't fucking know. I think the whole thing sounds crazy, but. - I mean, it just, it feels to me like I'm willing to believe that like people are into weird shit and like they're happy and that's fine. But I don't think a happy person can't get out of bed for a week 'cause they're so ill from exhaustion, like ever. Except for like really crazy circumstances. Like that's just not normal. - Yeah, I'm racing eight kids homeschooling them. I'm doing farm work. I'm like milking cows and shit. - I do have my fucking dreams of being a ballerina like that were like actually gonna happen. She went to Juilliard. She was gonna be a ballerina. And she was just like, no, I'm gonna give that up and have eight kids and live in a fucking barn. Like what the fuck? - I mean, look, if she was gonna be a ballerina, she had her 20s to do it. You're sort of peaked. You're out of that game by the time you're 30 anyway. - Yeah, she could have had an incredible career and. - Instead she had eight kids. - Instead she had eight kids and this horrible husband who like just like descended upon her was like, oh, I met you at a college basketball game. Now I'm gonna like figure out where you're flying and like book a seat next to yours. Like that's so creepy. - I was gonna say, is that a romantic gesture? - No, it's weird. I'd be like, who the fuck is this guy? Like what the fuck? Like, unless the plan is to like marry a billionaire and then get divorced just so you can have some money then okay, I get it. But like, that's not what she's doing. - Yeah, every time I fly, like if I'm flying alone, I think it's a good, very human. We're like, I hope I get somebody good. Like who sits next to me? Like some young, beautiful woman, like that's next to me. And it's just like. - That's such a dude thought. I'm just like, I want someone next to me who is quiet. - Right, me too, me too kind of. But I think there is, maybe it is a dude thing. But like, I always get like some guy in a tank top who smells like Fritos. He's got like hairy shoulders. - But like, that's the exact guy who's like, why, how if I sit next to like a young pretty girl? I'm just like. - Sits next to me. - Fucking's like, damn it. - I never get, I never, ever get anybody good. It's always like some person who's like rude and like their elbows are in my lap. - I mean, I was once sitting next to a kid on a flight and I was like, oh great, I'm like sitting next to a kid, I like kids, whatever. And then this guy comes up and he's like, hey kid, I'll give you 50 bucks if you switch seats with me so I can sit next to a lady. And I was like, oh motherfucker, like Jesus Christ. And like, I just told him, I'm too high to talk and then I put on my headphones and fell asleep. - You know what, I say this, I'm now remembering, I had a flight, I guess I was flying back from New York is what I want to say. It was like New York to LA, I had been out there for something. And I'm sitting next to this woman and the plane had some turbulence and all of a sudden she's holding my hand. And she was genuinely like a nervous, terrified flyer. And she was this like gorgeous African American woman with like this awesome hair. And she was just so nervous, she's grabbed my hand. I mean, like I, you know, I'm just like, whoa. And like, what do you do? Like I'm not gonna pull my hand away. And I was like, oh yeah, I was like, it's gonna be okay. And it turns out she was an actress who had been in some Spike Lee movies. I didn't know, I didn't, I mean, it was like small parts, you know, like I don't think she was like a star or anything, but have I ever told you when, no, not Spike Lee, Spike Jones, Spike Lee did "Where the Wild Things Are", sorry. - Spike Jones did "Where the Wild Things Are". - So Spike Lee, did I ever tell you about how he came to her Thanksgiving one time? - Spike Lee, like do the right thing? - Yeah. - Came to your Thanksgiving dinner? - It was the weird, like it still feels like a dream, but if you ask my family, like it's 100% true, the story. - Where at your house in Venice? - Yeah, my grandpa's house in Venice. So like I grew up in Venice. My grandpa has a house like literally on the boardwalk, like right on the beach. And it's got like a big balcony thing over it. So like it's very invisible from the boardwalk. And like, you know, people are walking by or whatever. And like on Thanksgiving, there's this guy who lives next to my grandpa named Kermit, who is this like young black dude. He has like these big parties all the time with like these beautiful girls and all kinds of people there, whatever. And my grandpa's friendly with them. They like, he'll like come by or whatever. When there's a party at my grandpa's house and say hi to us, nice guy. And so there was Thanksgiving was happening. For some reason Kermit was having a giant party rager on Thanksgiving. I don't know why or how. And we're having Thanksgiving. There's like a, you know, we're on like the balcony kind of over the, it's not exactly a balcony. It's more of like a yard. It's pretty big, but it overhangs the boardwalk. So everyone can kind of see you from the boardwalk. And we're like talking to Kermit or whatever. The houses are very close to each other. So there's kind of like a gate that you can open that like just almost leads directly to the house. So it's like, if you wouldn't know any better, you could almost like wander into my grandpa's house and think that it was part of like the party. And then you'd realize immediately that it wasn't somehow from this party, Spike Lee, I swear to fucking God wanders in through the door. How old are you? - This was like, I was from like 22. - Oh, okay. So you're an adult? - Yeah, no, I was a full adult. Like I was like a whole grown up. He comes in, doesn't say anything to anybody. We're all like looking like, what the fuck is he doing? Like you guys see like, look, there he is. He's right there. Like what the hell? We're all kind of just like watching. He makes himself a plate of Thanksgiving food. There's like all the food is laid out, the turkey or whatever. He just comes up, makes himself a little plate. My grandma's like, doesn't know who he is. And it's like, oh, like can I get like, do you want some mashed potatoes? Are you all like serving him on a fucking plate? He takes his little plate, he eats for a minute. He looks around and he just walks away. - Wow. - Like every one of my family witnessed it. We don't know why, how it happened. He just took a plate left. We assume he was at Kerberts. We don't know. - That's like Bill Murray shit right there. We're Bill Murray just like, we'll walk into somebody's like wedding and you know, give it away. - That's what it felt like. We were all looking and we're like, are we hallucinating? Like, are you guys seeing this shit? Like, is this real? Like to grammy just serve him food? Like what the fuck? All right. I've never heard that story. - It was wild. I've told it to some people and they're like, it's not really true. And I'm like, you can ask my grandpa. I swear to God, we all saw it. - Well, I'm gonna have to Google this Utah trad wife. What's her name again, Hannah Neelman? - Hannah Neelman. - Yeah. I'm gonna have to start following her on the session. - Had a good talk. - Yeah. I wanna get into this. Like, I find this sort of thing. Like, this is the sort of thing 'cause it's a little culty. Anything that has even a whisper of culty to it. I'm in. - Mm-hmm. It's very culty. - Yeah. I wanna find out more. So what else is happening? - I think it's cool. - I could. I would be if a billionaire Mormon wants to, you know, whisk me away to his ranch. (laughs) - You know, Utah, you collect eggs, take care of the kids. You know, I think it could really work for you. Get a little egg apron. - I could have some border collies. God, you know that that's my whole fantasy. My whole life dream is just to be able to live on land with border collies and, like, have them hard cheap. (laughs) - I mean, those would be some really fucking happy dogs. Imagine taking Twiggy to a farm just letting her fucking go nuts. - Yeah, but then you know border collies. It was black and white sheepdogs. I used to have, my first dog was sad. And I'm like, I just wanna have more, but they're so high octane that it's a lot to have one. - Oh, they're like running a lot and just like being out a lot. Yeah, you can really do that in LA, can you? - I mean, you could make it work. I see them around, but it's a lot. You have to make a real action. - Yeah. - And I always, I feel like it's like if you're not like really exercising with them, they're not gonna be happy. - They'll tell your house up is what they'll do. - Yeah. - They'll fuck shit up. So what else is happening? - Let's see. So it's a weird one. Madison Square Garden, the venue, gives Billy Joel a custom triumph motorcycle as a gift for his final show. - Yeah, I flagged this one. And here's why, like it's not a big story, but like Billy Joel is old. And I wanna say he's had like multiple accidents on motorcycles. Like-- - It's like giving Harrison Ford a plane. - Yeah, let's give Joe Biden a triumph motorcycle on his last day in the White House. Like, what the fuck are you doing? This guy's elderly. Don't give him a motorcycle. - What is a triumph motorcycle? It's like a brand? - Yeah, it's like a nice, like cool, I don't know enough about it, but yeah, it's a brand of motorcycle. And-- - Did his final show, oh, he has a residency, I see. It's his final show on the residency. He's not like quitting entirely. - No, I read about, like there was a New Yorker profile of Billy Joel in his like later years when he was, it was years ago when he was just doing this residency thing. And it was all about how it worked. Like they kind of followed him around, but he plays there, like I wanna say, one to three nights a month or something. And it was just like a standing, it was like a standing date for Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden. And it was really the only concerts that he played. So people would come to him instead of him going out on tour. Which is a sweet deal for an older musician, you know? - It's like a Vegas residency, but Madison Square Garden. - Yeah, and so he lives out on Long Island. You know, he's out there, that's where he's from. And that's where he has this big mansion or whatever. And they were kind of doing like a day in the life of Billy Joel with respect to one of these concerts. And like a chopper would fly to his property, land in his like waterfront backyard, pick him up, fly him to Midtown or, you know, wherever, yeah, MSG's in Midtown, I think. And drop him off on like the roof of a building. And then he takes an elevator down and like goes in through the tunnels into Madison Square Garden. And then after the show, yeah, after the show, while people are like just filing out of their seats, he's up the elevator to this building, gets on the chopper and he's home in like 10 minutes. - He's fucking residents. He's must make a lot of money if they can afford that. - Dude, he's so rich. - Like we presented both make money off of that. Like, and he has a helicopter and shit. Like that's like, people must really show up to that shit. - That's all sold out. It's all sold out. - It has to see. - Yeah, people love Billy Joel. I feel like there's been sort of a, like a jolasance, renaissance of like affection for him. He was like, I saw him in concert in the 1980s. - Wow, you're old. - Yeah, when he was like, you know, an uptown girl. - Wow. - I was like on MTV and Kristi Brinkley. I wanna say he was divorced by then, or about to be, you know. - Who was he married to? - Kristi Brinkley, the Super Bowl. - Oh wow. - Yeah, wow. - That's what, that's who uptown girls all about. They had this like marriage and it was a big, it was like a big like celebrity coupling of the 1980s. The thing about him, I will say, is that he is truly gifted. Like if you've ever heard him play the piano, like he did, just to bring this full circle, he did Alec Baldwin's, remember Alec Baldwin had a podcast? - His favorite. - Yeah. - Get a podcast? - Yeah, it was called, like, or it was a radio show, like WWNYC or whatever the fuck it was. - Like God, that was a good alkyl impression. - And yeah, and then, or it was like Billy Joel was on Howard Stern, like he'll do Stern and he'll be in there with the piano. - Wow. - And he'll sort of like deconstruct his music and he'll talk about musical influences and like, he's incredible. Like he's like a prodigy. Like the guy when he was a child could play, you know, like at a degree of difficulty that exceeds most humans and he just really talented, so. - Yeah, I'm not even like a huge fan of his music, but he's like clearly incredibly talented and skilled. Like you can just, that's obvious, like it's hard to deny. - Yeah. - I wonder if Billy Joelissons has anything to do with Olivia Rodrigo singing about him and driver's license. - I mean, yeah, it's a thing. Like he's sort of influential. I mean, like I think if you stick around long enough, it eventually comes back around, you know, and people start to sort of pay you homage, but I don't know. - That poem was wild. Her being like, Billy Joel was our thing. Like remember, like I introduced you to Billy Joel. It's like, to me, I'm like, who doesn't know who Billy Joel is. Like being like, I introduced you to Bruce Springsteen, and like it. - Yeah, I had every Billy Joel. When I was a kid, like Junior High, I was like, so this is very common for guys my age. Like especially white guys my age from like suburban milieu in the Midwest. Like Billy Joel was like subversive and like cool when I was like in sixth grade. I had like, it was like, and I had it all on cassette tape. So I was like, do you have glass houses in like 50 seconds? - Like what year is this? - Like 86, 87. But then, you know, I should also say like the other band that really blew my mind, this is gonna sound cooler. No, this is gonna sound way cooler. It was like hugely formative for me, it was Guns N' Roses. - That's not that cool. - But it's better than Billy Joel. - I feel like it's about, it's about the same. - Speaking of which, speaking of which, I wanna say Axl Rose came out on stage and sang two songs with Billy Joel on this last show at MS. - And they're like, we're all this fun, we're so old. - They are, but yeah, like I remember like, I mean, Billy Joel is like, there's not a Billy Joel song, especially since he like stopped making music, like, you know, 40 years ago, but like, there's not a Billy Joel song that I don't know. - I could name, I think, one Billy Joel song and that's "Uptown Girl." I'm trying to think of other ones. - It's still rock and roll to me. - I mean, I guess I know that song. What's like his most famous song besides "Uptown Girl"? - She's always a woman to me or piano man. I mean, you know, there's a-- - Piano man, yeah, okay, let's, I know that. - Yeah, a lot of these songs are like, I guess you would call them canonical pop songs. Like, they're gonna be around, you know? But I just don't think he'd, I think the man should not be on a triumph motorcycle. You know. - No. - I'm worried about it. - No, he did not be. I really don't think that anybody, his age should be gifted a motorcycle. And in fact, I don't think that anyone should be on motorcycles at all. I actually really hate motorcycles. I think that they're dangerous and bad and shouldn't be legal. - I think they're fun, but I don't, I would never have one because I, well, why would you ride a motorized vehicle where like the margin for error is essentially zero? - You know what doctors call motorcycles? Donor mobiles. - Yeah. - Because young people die from head injuries and their organs are totally fine. - Yeah. I mean, dude, like you're fucked if you wipe out on a motorcycle at speed and like, God forbid you hit something or get hit. You know, it's just. - It's so bad. And the fact that in California, like it's not against the law to like, weave between lanes in a motorcycle. It's like, what the fuck is that? Like you can just go in between lanes. I haven't seen so many times. - Yeah, yeah. So like what Mira's talking about is like, if you're on a very packed like Southern California freeway, it's like a six lane highway and it's like bumper to bumper and you're going like 40 or 50 miles an hour, but you're in heavy traffic. All of a sudden, a motorcycle can come screaming in between lanes, like in that little space between cars that like seven. - I go on the line. - Yeah, on the line at like 75 miles an hour. So if you're drifting or you're about to switch lanes and you don't use your blinker or you're not looking, you could easily clip one of these people easily. - And it's not illegal. They can just do that. It's like not even illegal for them to go in between lanes. Like I feel a little jealous. I gotta be honest when that's happening, where they're just like zipping right through and you're stuck in some hellish like traffic, but I'm too chicken to ride a motorcycle. - Ever. - I rode one as a kid and I ran into a tree, like a pine tree and hit my head. Like the tree broke. It was a little pine tree. - Wow. - You know, I remember that. And the motorcycle, it was like a homemade, this was in my weird Midwestern fizz, you know? And like, it was like a homemade motorbike. - It didn't have hand breaks. You had to like sort of just lay off the gas and use your feet to slow it down. It was fucking crazy. - That was useless. We had like the best but once when I was younger and like high school, we always mugged our hands on it. And my friend got on it and within five minutes crashed through the fence of like this nice Korean family's birthday party, just directly through it. And he was like, fuck, I'm sorry. Like it was like one of the funniest things I've ever seen, but. - Was he injured? - No, he was fine. - Oh, okay. - Everyone was fine. - All right, well, Billy Joel needs to be careful. What else do we have going on? - Um, well, it's another one that you added. - What did I, oh yeah. - Ray says that ozempic made her really constipated. - Yeah, fascinated by ozempic. And I'm a little bitter about it, to be honest. - Bitter like we want it? - No, just that it's like a shortcut. And like, I'm one of these people who like has worked out every day of my life and like watches what I eat. And all these people are like, I'm just gonna take this like $500 pill every month or whatever it is. It's expensive. - Bill. - Or what, no, you shoot it. It's like an injection. - It's just not. - I mean, my feeling about it is that medicine exists to make us healthier and to help us. And so some people struggle to lose weight and despite having a healthy lifestyle, I think it's like very reasonable. - If you're really seriously in a bad way and you can't, but a lot of people I think just don't wanna do any work. It's just a quick fix. - I mean, I think like with celebrities, it's not that they're not doing work. So clearly like got nutritionists and fucking personal trainers and shit like that. They just like want to be able to lose that extra 10 pounds that they can't, you know, naturally lose. - But it makes you constipated. Like what are the side effects of this shit? Or do we know? - I mean, it's been around for a while, but it was only used on diabetics, not on regular people. - Did we talk about this already? I can't even remember if we've talked about it as epic. I feel like certain things are gonna recur. - Yeah, 'cause I feel like we also have conversations outside the show and I'm like, I don't know which ones are in the show or not. - I mean, look, if there's a legitimate medical reason and it's helping you, God bless you. But you know. - Yeah, I mean, after a lot of like, I heard like who is the director, Paul, not Paul Verhoeven, but the other Paul, who I love and whose name is escaping my mind right now. Maybe that's the weed, but. - What is he, what did he direct, did you know? - He directed, he wrote tax, he driver, he directed first reformed. - Oh, yeah, I know you know. - Motherpucker, Tyler, who's the name? Oh, he's out there, nevermind. - I'll look it up. I'll look it up while you talk. - He, he took us back and he said that he did it and made him so sick that he was like throwing up and almost went to the hospital and just had to pretty much immediately fall Schrader. - Yeah, yeah, there you go, taxi driver, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, I basically had to just immediately stop taking it 'cause I made him so sick. I don't know, like what, I guess it makes you nauseated also. - Like, what's the, I mean, like, you know, you gotta really want to drop the pounds, but that shit works, you gotta say, like that. I mean, people take, people take those epic, like they get skinny, there's no, it's like inarguable. - Yeah, it's true. I mean, I think a lot of it is like, it makes you eat so much less, like you're just like, your brain doesn't have the same, like basically it like can help with even addiction too because it's like the same center of your brain that will fire like the hunger desire. Like it like calms that down a little bit, which can help with like smokers and stuff. I was reading recently. - What is Macy, Macy Grey just says it made her constipated? - Yeah, I guess so. I mean, my favorite Macy Grey story this week, which I, it seems like you've missed is that she said that Macy Grey says that she achieves healing with cocaine, a couple shots, edibles, and pizza. It's the same. - Yeah, see, she's not working out with a trainer. She's a... - No, I respect it. - She's 56. Oh boy, she says my stomach hurts. I've just been really constipated. I took a sempic. I can't go to the bathroom and I was up all night. Sounds like hell. - Yeah, that sounds really bad. She was up all night with constipation. Real housewives of Atlanta alum, Zolchiaq. Do you know this? - Kim Zolchiaq, of course I do. - Yeah, Kim Zolchiaq pointed out, quote, Ozempic does that. I guess she was talking to Macy Grey. - Why was Kim Zolchiaq talking to Macy Grey? That's so strange. - Grey, whose real name is Natalie McIntyre, then explained that she had turned to the trendy medication to, quote, lose weight really fast before going on tour. See, this is why people do it. Quietly I'm a vain person, I've gained a lot of weight. This is the right time when everybody starts talking about Ozempic, but then it's not for everybody. You can fuck your system up. - I mean, I think also it just like takes, like you have to do a lot of other things with it to be healthy, I imagine, probably also including now that Macy Grey says this like drinking fiber and stuff, maybe like that seems like if this is a common thing, probably that's what other people are doing. - Yeah, I think-- - But here's what we-- - That's the nice or common thing, I don't know. - Here's what I think. I mean, this is gonna get a little gross, but I think it's just real life stuff. - Oh, go. Oh, here we go. - This is not even in your, you're not even aware of this yet 'cause you're so young. When you get older, if you are not exercising regularly and hydrating properly and eating well, you know, eating real food, like whole, not like processed food, you have to eat well, exercise like vigorously multiple days a week and drink a ton of water. If you don't do those things, you're not pooping normally. I mean, you might not even, no, but I feel like I have an affinity. Why, is that something a Jewish person would say? - Yeah, like stomach problems, like, oh, you've got to do this and that, otherwise you're gonna be constipated and you're gonna get diarrhea and then you're gonna have, you know, fucking irritable bowel syndrome, like that's like classic. - Yeah, and I'm Jewish, but I mean, it's just common sense. It's just common sense. People, I hear people say this like in, they're like, oh, you know, my stomach, I can't poop. And it's like, well, yeah, you're fucking sitting on your ass all day, you're not moving. You can't, you can't get, the pipes are not gonna work if you don't move your body. - I mean, look, I'm not that young anymore. I'm 32, which is pretty young, but like, you know, my body's probably failing a little bit at this point, starting to fail a little bit. - It won't happen, it won't happen con gusto until you're like in your mid 40s. That's like the tipping point, I think it's like-- - That's good. - Yeah. - I mean, I've already, like, I exercise 30 minutes to an hour a day, probably five or six days a week on my elliptical or whatever the fuck. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it so much. Everyone's like, oh, you're gonna like it eventually. You'll learn to like exercise a little feel good. No, it never feels good. It feels like shit all the time. I get that I have to do it to be healthy, which is why I do it 'cause I don't have a choice, but it fucking sucks and everyone has been lying this whole time. - I, you know, I've been doing it my whole life, so I don't know any different. I have nothing to compare it to. I've like always been an athlete or-- - I've been working my whole life and I love it. - Yeah, I'm not a good athlete either. I mean, I'm not some sort of like sports God, but I just going to high school, I always played team sports and then in college, I even worked out and lived in Boulder. So I was like, you know, everybody was outside doing stuff. - You should join one of those gay kickball teams they have in West Hollywood, Boys Town. - They would love me, I'd play. - They would. - Yeah. - They would hit on you and you would like be flattered and then they would be like, you're not achievable, that sucks. - Yeah, well, funny story, when I first moved to LA, I lived in West Hollywood, like the heart of Boys Town and had no idea. I didn't know LA, so I didn't know where I was living. I just thought like, oh, this street looks nice and like these got people to take care of their lawn or-- - Like you didn't know it was Boys Town. You didn't, for those listening who don't know, West Hollywood has seceded it from the city of Los Angeles because it's so gay, they have their own mayor. They're like, it is a gay neighborhood for gay people. - Yeah. - It's all gay bars, it's mostly businesses owned by gay people, that's like the whole thing. - Yeah, so I lived on Havenhurst, that's my first apartment. - Oh wow. - And I remember-- - Like in Boston, like-- - Yeah, I mean, right there. - Like really hard, yeah. - Yeah, right there. - And most of my best friend lives. - And I would walk my dog Merlin, the Border Collie, R.I.P. And I remember walking and getting whistled at, like-- - Going on. - Women. - This was like early aughts, you know, but like women, women never have whistled at me. - No, women don't really do that. - No, much to my sugar and I like do anything for a woman to whistle at me. But yeah, I was like, why are these guys, I'm getting hit, like all these men, like from their balconies, you know? And I'm just like, what, you know, from these apartment balconies and-- - Did you eventually realize like what was going on? - You know, you wanna know how I found, like how I finally like registered. I mean, this all happened, like I figured this out within like five days of living there. It'd be pretty hard. - Right. - But I was walking my dog and I was standing at the corner waiting for a light to change. And some car pulled up and the guy rolled his window down and shouted a gay slur at me. Like, which, by the way, that's the only time I ever saw that, anything like that happened. I think it was pretty rare. But the guy, which is like pulled up and I had headphones on, so I was like, what? And I'm like looking behind me. Like, did I piss this guy off? Like, what are you calling me an F? You know, F-A, I'm not gonna say it, but you can guess. - Absolutely. - Like, yeah. So I'm just like, I was like, oh, and then like, you know, I thought about it for a minute. - Around you were like, gay bar, gay bar, gay bar. - And like all these guys are whistling at me and like giving me the eye. - See, people don't do that in West Hollywood anymore because now the gays are buff. Now the gays are fucking like, you don't really have bears there anymore. You've got like dudes who go to SoulCycle, like dudes who like, my best friend who lives in West Hollywood, very handsome young guy, he's always been, you know, he's never been like not fit, always been good looking. In the last like year, started going to SoulCycle, started lifting and he is like the fucking, like he's buff, he's tan, he looks like fucking Hercules now 'cause like in West Hollywood, this is what, the gays are like gods. You go to West Hollywood and it's just like a bunch of dudes with their fancy dogs, just like tan buff, like just the most beautiful men you've ever seen. And like, if someone were to call them an F slur, like they might get jumped and they might deserve it. - I, yeah, I mean, they call it church, right? That's like their joke, like it's like, instead of going to church, they go to the gym, but I have always, I think what happened to me as a result of living in West Hollywood is that I started to, like I look to gay men to figure out like how to like dress. And I mean, not that I dress like gay men, I wear a t-shirt. - No, but like that's what, like if you don't have like a wife or girlfriend who is dressing you, and if you do, listen to her, let her dress you, she knows what she's doing, but if you don't, like looking to gay men, it's a great thing to do. They know how to groom themselves, they know how to fucking shower regularly, they know how to wear like a nice outfit that fits them well, like that is like straight men, if you were like looking for like fashion advice, you don't have to dress like a gay man, you have to wear like a netted shirt or anything like that. But like, women know how to dress themselves in a regular way that it's nice. - Right, yeah, I'm not wearing a mesh tank top or anything, but I-- - Or you could, it might be a good look. - I wouldn't look good in a tank top, but I feel like whenever I go to Palm Springs, I'm just like every gay man in Los Angeles has a place out here and is wearing a tank top everywhere you go, so. - Yeah, 100%. - All right, so is that, how did we even get onto that topic, where were we? Oh, Macy Gray with a zempic. - Oh yeah, right. - I don't know, use a zempic if you want to, I don't give a shit, it's not my life. - Brad says you can, so if anybody was holding off on using a zempic, waiting for Brad's approval, you may now inject the ozempic. - That's right, that's right. I give you the official blessing of this show. - A lot of people have been waiting for that. Let's see, what is our next story? Ah, Chloe Kardashian hosts extravagant to a Saurus birthday party for her son, Tatum. To a Saurus. - All right. - Is so fucking, you can't just call it like a dinosaur themed birthday party, like what the fuck? Like... - There's gotta be a name, probably, you know, it's... - Also like he's two years old, he doesn't even like it. He doesn't even want it, like, what? - I mean, he doesn't know what he's to, he doesn't know anything, you know? - Yeah, he doesn't know anything about a shit. It's for the grownups, like, let's see, the backyard was decked out with multicolor balloon arrangements, life-sized dinosaur sculptures and pool floats. Life-sized dinosaur sculptures. Like, this is fucking insane. They have like a Yoshi egg that is the size of her child. - No, I mean, I can speak to this. - It's burning costs $40,000. - Yeah, I've been to parties like this, believe it or not. Just because when your kids are in school in Los Angeles, you'll get invited to some, you know, rich person's house for a birthday party, like a kid birthday party. - I was a party like this when I was little. - Well, listen, I didn't. When I grew up in the Midwest, you had a fucking sheet cake in somebody's basement and maybe some candles, and that was it. And you played like pin the tail on the donkey and you went home. - Yeah. - Like, this is absurd and very classist and like, I fucking hate it. And I think it's outrageous and obnoxious. - I mean, the kids end up doing what you just described, like it, the party anyways. They're all just gonna be playing pin the tail and donkey or fucking like throwing up all to each other. Like, they don't care. - They're shitting their pants. They have no idea what they're doing on there too. - They're too. - And like, but it's for the parents though. That's the thing. It's like a show of wealth, basically. - Right. - And you go to one of these parties. Like, I've been to a kid birthday party where there was a DJ, like two food trucks. And like, you know, like, open bar. It's like noon. - It's like the kids just wanna watch Frozen and eat pizza. That's all they wanna do. - Yeah, there's like people valet parking and fucking, there's like, you know, there's like an official bartender on staff who's like, they're like-- - People point to a party like that without drugs. - They're probably were drugs, you know? I mean, for all I know. Like sometimes you go to parties in LA and there'll be like a little table and there'll just be like, I've been to parties like this where there's like a wine glass and then there's just like perfectly rolled joints just sitting in the glass. - I mean, I've been to parties where it's like every table, it's like perfectly rolled joints in a glass like alcohol and like cocaine on a mirror. - And then there's no cocaine at, you know, any kid birthday party I've been to. - I went to a party once at a very wealthy person's house where there was like, lines of drugs lined up and they were like, some of them were in colors where I didn't know what the drug was. I'm like, what is this like bright green powder? I don't even know. Like I had that one's cocaine, that one's probably ketamine. Then there's a rainbow assortment of powders. I don't even know what the fuck they are. - Have you done ketamine? I haven't done ketamine. Oh, I don't know anything about it. But does it make you go into the K-hole? - Yeah, it's interesting 'cause it's like not, you know, like you take like a Xanax or whatever and you can space out and then you'll like fall asleep or lay same with heroin or oxy or whatever. The ketamine's interesting in that like you go into a K-hole where you're kind of like, you don't wanna like look at anything, you're kind of just like, you can't do anything besides just stare into space and it feels really good. And like they use it for therapy too. Like there's ketamine therapy that where a doctor puts you into a K-hole basically and you do therapy in the K-hole and it's very helpful for some people. - But you're not asleep. You can talk a little bit, you know, like, but like not really, if you get too deep into a K-hole, you can kind of, like you can, but it's kind of like, like I don't really want to, like I'm whoo, but you're not asleep is the weird thing. You don't like really get tired from it. It's like a- - What's the therapeutic benefit of just being like sub-verbal and like in a K-hole? - I don't know, but I'm sure a professional could explain to you, it's like, it's something about like inhibitions or like you like get to another part of your brain or something and the rewiring of it. It's like a trauma thing. I think like PTSD like patients can benefit from it, but I don't really understand how, but it feels good recreationally. - I wonder if Khloe Kardashian had ketamine since it begins with a K. I feel like that should be part of the theme. Like you can go into a K-hole. - Kim Khloe ketamine. (laughs) - You can go into a Kim and Khloe Kardashian ketamine K-hole at her toosaurus birthday party. - Yeah, we're back to the K on it, adorable. (laughs) - Yeah, I just think, I hope that this, I don't know, like the thing is I don't have like a frame of reference for other parts of the country. Like hopefully normal people are just having normal kid birthday parties. - In an ally thing, no one is doing shit like this besides like crazy Los Angeles people. - So fucked up, I fucking hate it. - It's really good. (laughs) - All right, well, I think it's time for Brad learns, it's time for me to learn something. - Brad learns. (upbeat music) - All right, what am I learning about? Oh, and this is, this is like your, Mira has a PhD in army hammer. - So like just to preface this, like, Brad says this because I can go into like deep K-holes where I'll like obsess over certain things and the hammer family is one of maybe the deepest K-hole I've ever gotten into. It's not even just about army. He's almost like just a small part of the intense research that I've done on this family, largely because they're like a Los Angeles family. You see a lot of things that have like the name hammer on it, like the hammer museum. And so like I won't go deep into the lore because it would take literally the entire episode and maybe more, but like the family goes back far enough that his great grandpa was an envoy to the Soviet Union. He would bring money from the Soviet Union to the United States to pay Soviet spies. So like that's how deep this family goes. - You have a, you've told me you have a spreadsheet. You have a like a hammer spreadsheet in Google Docs or something. - You do, it is like I'd maybe 100 pages long at this point. Like I like, I bought this book that is out of print and it's clear that the hammer family doesn't want out there because it's the only book that like really chronicles their whole family legacy from the beginning. It's called dossier. And it's like this thick, thousands of pages. And it cost me $80 because I could not find it anymore. - It's thousands of pages, like more than one, like like two, like more than 2,000 pages. - I think it's like 2,000 something. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - It's fucking wild. Like his family has done, like if you think of like the craziest shit that you can imagine his family has done it, like murder fucking like covering up murders, like political assassinations, like they knew Galen Maxwell's family very closely. Like just-- - Oh, Jeffrey Epstein's like girl Friday or whatever. - Exactly, yeah, exactly. I mean, just like insane shit. And so it goes all the way down to Army Hammer who is an actor who people probably know from, I guess the social network. He was the Winklevoss twins, right, is that right? - Yeah, he was the Winklevoss. - And then people also know him for he was canceled a few years ago because he, there was cannibal accusations. A bunch of messages came out where he was telling girls, like I literally wanna take your rib out and eat it. I want to grill it on a grill and I want to eat it. He carved his name into a girl with a knife. There's pictures of it. Yeah, this one girl said that she was tied up in a room for like 12 hours, just literally tortured by him for all that time. So he's a really, really bad man. - What the fuck man? - And he's been doing like an apology to her recently. So he went on club random with Bill Maher, which seemed like it just made everything worse for him. It was so bad. Like it was so bad. - Wait, he did Bill Maher's podcast? - Yeah, he did. And Bill Maher was like so high and kept being like, oh, like there's a difference between, you know, like BDSM and a soul as if carving someone's name into them with a knife while they're tied up was BDSM. Like it was so fucking weird. It was so weird. Like Bill Maher like loves this guy. And it's just like he loves Army Hammer. - Yeah, he was like, like he like wanted to be his best friend. It was a weird fucking thing. He kept like just coming up with these defenses for Army Hammer that like were clearly like kind of making a worse for Army Hammer, where Army Hammer's trying to go and be like, I didn't do any of the bad things, but I did have bad thoughts and I'm sorry for that. Bill Maher's like, you're innocent. You think you're innocent, right? You're totally innocent. Fuck all those people. Fuck everybody. And like Army Hammer was like, well, maybe don't fuck everybody. Like I'm doing an apology tour and I'm not trying to like go that far. - Why is Bill Maher, why is Bill, I think Bill Maher is making a mistake. And I don't hate- - One of many mistakes made in his horrible little life. - I don't. I'm one of the rare people who does not like uniformly across the board hate Bill Maher or his show, but I think like he's probably kind of an ass to deal with. I bet he's not easy to deal with, but- - No, certainly not. - I appreciate that his show is like one of the few venues where you can have people from across like the spectrum all in the same space, like having adult conversations without like- - Don't reckon does that. - Yeah, I mean, there's not that many, you know. And you know. - I hate Bill Maher. I hate both of them. I think they're terrible people. - I bet, yeah, I bet they're both a handful. But anyway, I don't get what I don't get why Bill Maher would be like grunting to the A. - Like he's just like there and he's so drunk and he's so high and it's like his shitty house and his shitty chairs and like it's just like, it's just weird. - Why, why, and it's called club random, that's dumb. - It's dumb, it's dumb and it's weird and it sucks and it's bad and it's like, it's embarrassing. - Get a better name, like other people. I mean, come on. - It is, yeah, exactly. Like other people podcast, hello. (both laughing) Club random, it just sounds like you hate yourself. Have you named your show? - He does hate himself, he hates himself a lot. Rightfully so. - Like my feeling about Bill Maher is that like he must have really been bullied as a kid. - I asked what he said about bull litters too and it wasn't true. - He's so angry, he's got so much anger. He's got anger issues is what I feel like. - He's got serious anger issues and he really hates women. Like I feel like something he hates women. - Yeah, he's got like, yeah, he's got like and this thing about kids. I mean, you don't have to have kids but he also like hates kids. It's like, okay. Like tap the brakes, dude, it gives a shit. Like do what you want to do but you don't have to like hate children. - Does he like anything? - I think he likes, I think he likes being famous in the host of a show and I will say this in his defense. Like I think this is where I have like a bit of sympathy for him is that I think doing political comedy is really a tough gig because to do it well, you have to basically be willing to be hated by everybody. And I think he is. Like I think at times, like the left hates him, the right hates him, the middle hates him. What? - There's an earthquake right now. Do you feel it? - No. - It just happened. - Oh yeah. Like the chords on my ceiling fan are swinging. - Wow. Real Los Angeles hours. So it's a real on-air earthquake. - Yeah. Wow. That's a first I think for me on this show. - Really? - I don't think I've ever had an earthquake happen while I was recording unless I didn't realize it. - Wow. - I'm going to go on Twitter. Usually Twitter is like immediate. - Yeah. - A immediate rapid response where everybody talks about it. - Well, you do that. Let's see. This army hammer story. His mother, Drew Hammer, who is not mentioned in this article but I know because I'm insane that she is a born again Christian and really, really intense about it. Like really intense about it. To the point where like she tried multiple like more or less exorcisms on army when he was a kid because he was getting kicked out of schools repeatedly for arson. He got kicked out of three different schools for lighting things on fire. And- - It's like a, it's like a, what a teenager? - Like middle school on high school. And this would eventually led to them having to move back to the Virgin Islands from Los Angeles. But she like army hammer told a story once of her pouring oil all over him when he was sleeping trying to like get the demons out of him. So they've always had a really difficult relationship. (laughing) - Recently. - The fuck are you talking about pouring oil on him? - Yeah. - No wonder, no wonder he's just, yeah, no wonder he's like a status. Yeah. Well, I mean, he didn't have a chance. He didn't have a chance. - No, never had a chance. His dad's a fucking psycho too. And so like basically his dad died recently. And so as soon as his dad died for some reason army and his mom started to get really close and army started to seem vaguely religious. And so what it, what seems to have happened is that army is now on this apology tour where he's talking about how he sort of found Jesus. He's become sort of religious like his mom and he's like discovered that he was sitting or doing that shit or whatever the fuck. My theory about that is that after his dad died, I'm just based on his past behavior. I think that his dad probably left all of the family money to army's mom as like leaving her as the executor of the estate essentially. And in order for army to get his inheritance, I think that he probably has to, you know, kiss the ring of it and be like, I love Jesus now and I'm gonna do an apology tour. Please give me my money. That's my theory. - Yeah. Am I too cynical if I don't believe a word of it. - I don't believe he's into Jesus. - I don't believe it. For a second, not for a second. Absolutely not. I think that he wants a good religion. - It's the true, it's the mom. - I think, yeah, I think religion is the true last refuge of the scoundrel. They say patriotism, but it's really religion. - And like it's clear that he's been PR trained really intensely, which means that someone was paying to get in PR train, someone's paying to fly him out here, somebody is paying to like have all this shit happen, like to get an agent, to book them all of these shows. Like that's coming from somewhere. And I think it's his mom, probably. And that's kind of reinforced by this article in which she says that army hammer never raped anybody or actually engaged in cannibalism. He only talked about it and thought about it. She says that what he did was morally wrong, but he did not actually hurt anybody, which is just incorrect and insane to say. - Okay, so this is where I should interject and let listeners know that at Mira's urging, I watched the HBO, I think it's a three-part docu-series called House of Hammer. - Yeah, I don't know if it's HBO, but yeah, it's House of Hammer. - No, it's HBO 'cause this is like rated R shit. It's not on Discover channel. - Okay, maybe there's HBO then. - Discovery network is like science shows for children, right, I don't know. - No, they do like my 600-pound life and shit like that. - Yeah, but not like some dude tying women up and wanting to eat them and stuff. That's HBO, that's HBO. (laughing) But I did watch it and it was an eye opener. It's a good, like it gives you a good primer though. I think it goes, like the whole story goes much deeper than even that documentary. - Yeah, which is shocking 'cause that documentary goes pretty fucking deep into what is insane about his family, but there is even more than that. But like in that documentary, they give you a good foundation for like what's going on, tell you like how they got their money in the first place and sort of like all the insane shit that his family had. - And they interview these women that he was with in this late phase where he was like one of them, you know, I'm trying to remember, but she was like, yeah, I think it's the one who he tied up for like 12 hours that you were alluding to. Yeah. - Yeah, I think actually was her name. - She was terrified. - Yeah, terrified. - And you could see it and she was fucking horrified. And like Armie's, the way that he's like saying that like this is not something that actually happened. It was just like talking or whatever. It's because Gloria Alred was her attorney, Effie, that girl who was raped and then dropped her as an attorney and all the charges were dropped. And we don't know why that happened. We don't know if she got an out of court settlement or if she didn't have enough evidence or if other girls wouldn't, I don't know, be in the case also. But because Gloria Alred dropped it, because she dropped the case and therefore Gloria Alred dropped her. Or me hammers like, see, it's clearly fake. Gloria Alred wouldn't drop it if, you know, it wasn't fake. But she didn't. - And we don't know why. - We don't know why. - I think if they got a settlement, I guess maybe then maybe part of the settlement was you just can't even say that you got a settlement. - It's common. You know, you drop the case, you got a settlement and you sign an NDA? - And now he's trying to resuscitate his career. - And I-- - Is it gonna happen? - I don't know, I don't think so. But I do think that what's interesting about his apology tour is that if he had done anything less bad than being accountable, I think it really would work. 'Cause like he is doing like a better apology tour than I've ever seen a canceled person do before. He like is seriously PR trained. And it has like given me more faith in his acting ability. Like he's good at it. He's a good apologizer. He knows how to do it. He knows how to be like, I'm not trying to make myself seem better. Like I did a bad thing, I was wrong. Like I'm like, I've been dealing with that for a long time. Like he like is doing the best apology tour I've ever seen. And I don't think it's gonna work because he's a literal cannibal. But if it was anything less than that, I think that he actually would be forgiven. - You think he's eating people? - Well, no, but I think that he has taken, I know that from his ex, he has taken an ex to the doctor to see if they would surgically remove one of her ribs for eating, if they could do that safely. So he wanted to. - The fuck do you wanna eat the bone? - He said that he like killed animals as a kid and would like hold the like warm heart in his hand and like loved it. Like this man is a psychopath. - That's like Jeffrey Dahmer shit. - He has all of like the things that serial killers have when their little kids show that they're gonna become serial killers, army hammer has. Arson fucking harming small animals, pissing the bed. Army has all of them. - Those are the three. - If your kid is doing those three things really intensely, you gotta take them right to a therapist because they're gonna be a fucking murderer. I mean, the other, the fourth thing is like abuse has a child. So that's. - Yeah, I think that's probably the big one. If your mom's like pouring hot oil on you in the night to try to like freaking out you about Jesus. - Part of his apologies were telling people that he was abused as a child. Which seems very gross. I mean, it's like gross to do. It's an apology tour thing out of nowhere. - But I, I get it. Yeah, I mean, it could be opportunistic, but I think that if you're trying to genuinely explain yourself to people and maybe explain yourself to yourself, you have to at some point reckon with the fact that you were abused, grew up in a fucked up-- - Part of why the apology tour is so good. Part of why it's, it's actually like he's doing a really good job. It's not gonna work as he was a literal cannibal, but there was anything besides that. - But he didn't, he didn't need anybody you just said. He just wanted to. - I mean, he didn't literally give anybody 'cause there's nobody he'd like murdered and he'd have to do that to eat them, you know? But he expressed them. - What the fuck are we talking about? This is so fucked up. - The channibal cop, do you remember the channibal cop? - No. - No? There was this cop who was arrested because he was on all of these forums and he was making plans to eat his wife. He would talk about it in great detail. He was like talking to people, making plans to like eat his wife. He never did it, but he went to jail anyways because he was clearly planning on it. And like as far as I can tell, or me did the exact same thing. - He was like maybe coming close to doing it. - Yeah. - He's just like a psychotic fucking recession. - There was a while there where he was totally like, MIA, no one knew where he was. And he has spent all that time like in this weird half built motel in the middle of the desert. And it's like, no one knows really what he was doing there. I don't, I'm not saying that he killed anybody. - And he wants like S&M all the time. Like he wants to be the dumb, dominant partner or whatever. That's what his, like he likes that. He likes to be in total control of people like physically and otherwise. - Right. Yeah. And he's like, he's painting it like it's like a fetish, like it's BDSM. But anyone who knows anything knows that like BDSM, it's consensual. So it's clearly not that like, he's into something much for him. - The thing is when I watch that documentary, these girls are like starstruck by him. And he is objectively very handsome. Like he's a beautiful looking human being, right? He got like all the classic good looks of like a Hollywood leading man. - Probably. - And he's rich and he's like fawning over these women. So they're totally bold over by him. And then slowly but surely he's like, by the way, you know, if you wouldn't mind. I'd love to like, you know. - Yeah, I wanna eat your rib and tie you up and all this stuff. And so he sort of seduces these girls and then they realize that they're in like a weird situation almost when it's too late or whatever. - And like some of them talked about him bringing them out to the middle of the desert and then being like, well, I guess I'm in the middle of the desert now and he's being a psychopath to me and there's nowhere I can go. - That's scary. - I'm looking at this article here that says that Armie Hammer's ex-girlfriend claimed that Armie Hammer's mom once told her to be careful around Armie because he has demonic behaviors. - It's usually a red flag. - So even at mom and raise. - So fucked up. I wanna say he lived not far from here, like used to at least. - Oh, he did. He did. He like when he was in a lie with his wife because when he was moving out, he had these like mannequins that were all tied up with ropes that he just like threw in the trash can. Everyone's like, what the fuck is that? - I saw pictures of this. - Mm-hmm. You can find them if you look it up and they're public. - You know, guys messed up. I don't know. I feel like Hollywood is such a, I feel like our celebrity culture is so sick that like maybe there will be some sort of like-- - Weird thing about his family. - Yeah. - Maybe they'll be like a morbid fascination. Like, yeah, let's put this guy back in the movies. You know what he should do is he should try to get back into horror films. 'Cause he's basically like American psycho come to life. Like, that's the energy. He's got Patrick Bateman energy. - I hope the issue is though that like, he's like a danger to people on set potentially. Like, he's like an insurance issue on set at this point. Like, if someone's gonna hire him, it would have to be somebody who is like really, he doesn't give a fuck. - That's true. Imagine being. - Which I guess exists. - Imagine being like-- - So he's kind of weird. - Like a young starlet and they're like, yeah, you're gonna be in this movie with Armie Hammer. Like, I would be like, dude. - Oh my God. Yeah, being in like a romantic role with Armie Hammer, like Jesus Christ, I'm in danger 100% of the time. Like, that's fucking terrifying. - Yeah, he-- - That's like, ooh. - He's probably-- - Yeah, I mean, that's where I say like, if it was anything besides cannibalism, you know, he could be like, I'd reform myself, I fucked up. But like, you really can't get out of cannibalism very easily. - I think that's a good place to end. That's like the lesson that we, it's one of the immutable laws of being a celebrity, that you can get away with almost anything. But if you get into cannibalism, that's a career ender. - That's a career ender. You could be O.J. Simpson, a murder your wife. And, you know, people will maybe be okay with you for the next five, 10 years, but if you ate her-- - You're out. - Nope. - You're done. - You would've been convicted if you ate Nicole Brown Simpson. - I mean, yeah, I don't understand, I don't understand any of it, but I especially don't understand wanting to eat a human being. - I can't even watch horror movies with cannibalism in it because it makes me nauseous. - Yes, it should. - Yeah. - Like it's gross. - Yes, it should. - It's like, it's not normal. - That's the litmus test for if you're like a decent human being is if like watching somebody eat another person is nauseating. If it's not, you might want to get your head checked. So-- - And if you just agree with us, feel free to send us a message and we will read it out next week. Please send us your arguments that are pro cannibalism and we'll discuss it. - Well, it's always fun. And if you want to learn more about the hammer situation, that documentary, "House of Hammer" is worth checking out, but-- - Feel free to ask questions about the hammer family. I will answer all of them. - If you are a journalist or an author interested in writing about the hammer family, Mira is the country's leading hammer scholar and would be happy to be a source. She will share her Google spreadsheet with you where she has tracked-- - I'll tell you my book full of notes and highlights, you know, post-eds and whatnot. I was never paid for this. - That's right. - Well, Mira, it's always a pleasure. It's always a joy to speak with you about the culture and I look forward to doing it again next week. - Same. See you next week. 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