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Real Men are Standing Up Against Sex Trafficking and Its Demand Generation Systems - Caleb Altememeyer Ep-1679

I had a discussion with Caleb Altamire, founder and CEO of HelpingCaptives.org. We talked yesterday with Nate Lewis about how he's approaching fighting sex trafficking with his group, INNOCENCE Rescue Mission. Caleb Altememeyer, Founder & CEO of Helping Captives is at the other end of this. His heart is to help people who are captive now to sex trafficking. He learned about the realities of sex trafficking when he learned that it had happened to a neighbor. This freaked me out because this is the second time in chatting with these guys that we actually shared something deeply in common. The same thing happened to me. The way they approach this is, in fact, to make sure that women have a place to go and they're working on and have secured a building that used to be a strip club to use for their mission to help victims of sex trafficking. Caleb also talks about the future being dependent upon changing the way kids are treated in school. He thinks sex trafficking begins in junior high.

What does God’s Word say?
Joshua 1: 7-9
7 “Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. 8 Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. 9 Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”
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Duration:: 48m
Broadcast on:: 25 Jun 2024
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In the Bible in Joshua chapter one and part of verse seven is to be strong and courageous. And we've done programs about what does it mean to be strong and courageous as a man biblically? How do you do that? Jesus Christ is the best method of that, the best model of that. And there are young men, young strong men who are standing up against the evils of sex trafficking. Yesterday, you heard from one gentleman on this, today another one. Caleb Altimars, founder and CEO of Helping Captives.org. He joins us. Talk about his journey and what they're doing in Idaho and around the world. And this is so important to understand and we learned yesterday about how small towns are a hotbed for this, because it's low, low risk. So we'll talk about this with the help of bulwark capital management. Zach is one of his free live webinars coming up this Thursday at 330, go to knowyourriskradio.com to register. And of course, we can't do anything without the help of God Almighty. Thank you, Lord. The Todd Herman show is 100% disapproved by big pharma technocrats and tyrants everywhere. Now, from the high mountains of free America, here's the emerald city exile, Todd Herman. Today is the day the Lord has made, and these are the times, so which God has decided we shall live. And I'm joined by a young man who's decided to be strong and courageous. Same way God tells us to, Caleb Altimars, founder and CEO of Helping Captives, joins us. Pleasure to have you here, brother. Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah. What drew you into this mission, because it is a mission. Yeah, it's a little, it's a little unique story. So I grew up, my dad was the men's director at the Union Gospel Mission Shelter. Oh, no kidding. And then, yeah. And then my grandfather was the executive director and a board member before that. So and my uncle currently is the CEO of UGM. So my whole childhood just grew, was around homeless ministry, outreach, my, like I said, my dad actually was the men's director at the shelter. And so my, that was just my child, like my earliest memories are having birthday parties in the shelter, like playing birthday parties in my mom's preschool. Yeah, like playing T ball with all the guys in cafeteria. Yeah. Going to play basketball and just hanging out with them. So that was like my childhood. And then I kind of, my mom's a quadriplegic. And so my parents are still married about five months after they got married, they got in a car accident and she, she's been a quadripleg ever since. So I was raised by a mom, this quadriplegic and a dad that was running a homeless shelter. And so I had a unique childhood, but blessed, best one ever. But once I got into junior high school, I started questioning God a little bit just because of my mom's situation with the wheelchair, totally ran away from my faith. And then when I was 18, God came and spoke to me in a dream. And so that kind of reawakened everything for me, felt called and knew I was called to ministry because of that dream and what he had told me in it. So thought, well, next thing is maybe I should be a youth pastor, like that was kind of the natural transition in my head. So I started going to church, wanting to do that. But what I was finding was, I don't know if it was my childhood, just how I grew up, or just my bent to be more of an evangelist, I just wanted to be out of the building. And I didn't want to be in the, I wanted to reach my friend group and I want to reach my city. And I was more comfortable doing that, probably just how I grew up, we had a ministry outside the four walls of the church. So at 20, I started a small group and that turned into it blowing up in that my parents said, hey, we can't have 30 kids over here every day at our house, you need to figure something out. So at 22, I started a nonprofit, which kind of turned into doing more youth center style stuff. And through that is when I started hearing stories of traffic victims and kids. But what the real kicker was, is my dad was still running his Monday night church at the homeless shelter. And women were allowed to come into that Monday night. And a lady came in and told us her him, her story. Well that lady that came and told him her story said that she'd been traffic from six or seven years old. But it was our neighbor. Oh, oh, it was my neighbor that I thought was our babysitter because she'd come over and hang out with us and play with us, my mom said she wasn't really a babysitter, she was just a neighbor that would come over and play with you guys. But in my mind at six, you know, she's a babysitter. And so, you know, first girl had a crush on the whole deal. So it really hit home for me when I'm hearing her story and she's telling us her that the reason she'd come over all the time was we were the only safe family she knew. So I go back to my youth center and I start talking about what I was hearing. And I have a co-worker that I had hired as she started crying. And she tells me she has the almost the exact same story and her dad used to sell her. And to his prison guard buddies, he used to work at a prison and the inmates. And so I just, it was almost just like in my face and my dad's face. And so we just said, hey, we need to do something about it. At the time we were doing a lot more outreach and food distribution and trying to get the church out of the four walls to reach the city. And we thought, well, we'll just open up a house. And if we run into the situation, we'll put a family in there with some house parents and, you know, not having to pay rent and we'll just put them in the house and everything will be great. Well, we opened it up. We had 21 women go through the house in nine months. And it wasn't all great. We realized, wow, they're coming out of extreme drug addiction, trauma. And that's just kind of how we dove into it. Wow. And it's just been kind of growing ever since. It's so amazing. You know, we talked with Nate, your friend. Yeah. Nate Lewis came in here. Nate Lewis. Yeah. Nate Lewis was in from Innocence Rescue Mission. And he and I shared the commonality of having been kidnapped. Nate's been kidnapped. I was kidnapped. I've mind didn't lost as long as he did. Crazy. The dudes never told me this story. Yeah. I was just with them for five hours. This is podcast. You can get it on. All right. I'm going to have to be like, bro, what? But yeah, we just connected on that. My mom was a preschool teacher. So I had my birthday parties in the preschool. I love that. You were talking about playing with the guys. Yeah. And I used to work with homeless guys in Seattle and got to know them as guys, right? Yeah. Right. I mean, so they're in the situation of homelessness. Yeah. There's just all these commonalities and they're bizarre. I mean, really bizarre. First of all, I showed you the music recording studio downstairs. Yeah. Super awesome. Okay. So the guy who runs, that's a quad. Get out of here. He's a quadriplegic. He's still taught himself to play guitar. Okay. I got to meet this guy because it's so rare to find somebody that's a quad that is like not a victim. Like my mom is not a victim at all. He refuses to be victim. Okay. We'll set that up. But here's, get this. Crazy. My best, my, my, one of my dad's best friends, daughters was probably the first girl I had a crush on. Yeah. She shared with me when I was in college that she'd been sex trafficked by her father. That's crazy. So it's so interesting to find, to find these comments. So we'll dig in. Well, and it is unfortunately more common than people want it as people don't want it. I don't think people want to know how common it is. So we'll continue to dig into this. We are sitting together, Caleb and I, in a studio that God built for us. If you're watching the video, you see, I mean, what guys built for us. Here's what you don't see is over there and I'm pointing to my right for people listening at audio. Sorry to be annoying. Over there, there's a device called the Eden Pure Oxyleaf 2. This is the thunderstorm device that cleanses the air in here. I go to the gym a lot, sometimes enough time to shower. And so there's this agreement, Neana is a union of one. So she's like, I'll turn that mic off if you come in stinking anymore. So we plug that into the wall over there. It's not an air filter. It's an air cleanser. It's producing ozone. That's why the room smells like a thunderstorm. Sometimes those 03 particles bonds to the bad evil particles and they neutralize them. It's not an air filter. Therefore, I don't have to replace the filter for a couple of bucks a year and it's not loud. You can have this in your house. In fact, they're going to give you a pet stink guarantee because sometimes your pet's flat reek or the after effects of your pet's reek. If it doesn't eliminate that, money back. So go to Eden Pure deals.com use code Todd three and I'm saving a 200 bucks three devices whole home coverage for under 200 bucks. That's a huge savings. Obviously, Eden.com use code Todd three and breathe a breath of fresh air. Real quick, I can't let you get away without hearing about the dream in which the Lord spoke to you, then we'll get to some of the facts about sex trafficking and then specifically what your group does because we talked with Nate about what he does. Yeah. You guys are coming at this from a little bit. Yeah. He's the other side of the coin. Right. Right. I've when the Lord has spoken to me through dreams while those are potent and yours was at 18. Yeah. Just turned 18. Yeah. Yeah. And I was a pot head high school dropout selling pot the whole deal. Yeah. Yeah. So just. So you really walked away. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't do anything halfway, bro. Are you okay? Tell me what the Lord said. Yeah. So some of it I am kind of a well, I'll tell you guys I'm going to be writing I am in the process of trying to finally write a book about it because I just have been waiting and waiting waiting. I think God was more interested in me developing my character because I knew I had a calling then I did not have the character and so now but here's here's what happens. So I went to my parents house and you know, my dad had rules. He went. Let me back up. He went on a 40 day fast in the woods with nothing but water. Wow. And of course. And he was praying for my mom to get healed and she didn't get healed but what he did was get a completely different direction in his life. And so when he came back, I was that was it for me because when he was gone for 40 days, it was a weird time. I started going from a private school to public school. There was no man in the family at the house for 40 days because he's up in the woods. I'm hopeful my mom's going to get healed. He comes back. She's not healed. I've already developed the whole new friend group. I'm already starting to get in trouble and I'm thinking I can just take care of myself. He's like, hey, if you're going to live here. Here's the rules. I don't follow the rules. So there's this three year time where I'm like leaving, falling on my face, coming back home, following the rules, not wanting to follow the rules, leaving again. And so I come back. My parents changed their strategy. So instead of preaching at me, they started praying for me and loving me. And then that would bring me in. And then if I asked a question, they were ready. They're always ready to share with me the gospel. So I was coming back to the house and my mom had put Bible verses all over her television. So every time she wanted to pray for me, she would just declare these scriptures over me. And she'd go tell the whole neighborhood ladies to pray for me and hand out my picture. I found all this out and I got saved because all the neighbor ladies like, and my mom occurs around her wheelchair and literally, I mean neighbor like within a quarter mile. Like they're all praying about for me and know who my story and I didn't know that. So I come home and I'm mad because I want to watch like a basketball game and I can't because there's Bible verses all over the TV. And I didn't, at that time, I was so angry at even like hearing the name Jesus, I would just snap. And so I just get mad and I go downstairs and I'm like, I don't want to hear about God. And I go downstairs and I'm so tired from partying the night before that I just fall asleep. And then all of a sudden I'm just not in my body anymore, like I'm just in a completely different space and I'm walking up this trail and there's a kind of a big boulder to my right. So I can't totally see what's on the other side of the boulder, but then I get a, I keep walking up the trail. The other side of the boulder, there's like a 15 foot soldier and he's got a sword and a spear and a shield and he's like commanding something. I can't see what he's commanding and as I keep going up the trail, I get around the boulder and I can see what he's commanding is this whole army and massive army of people. And there was sick, we're up on top of the mountain now and there's six, there's three mountains to the right and three mountains to the left and down in this big valley is this army and they're waking up, they're getting ready for war. It's early in the morning and he's commanding them. And all of a sudden it starts thundering and lightning and the, from the back of the canyon you see this tornado start to appear, but it's backwards, it's going up into heaven. Oh yeah. So it's super, super catches your attention, right? And the tornado starts at one mountain and goes to the, across the canyon, over the army to the other mountain and back and forth and back and forth until it gets, gets coming closer and closer to me. And all of a sudden it stops right above my head and these two doves come down and this is when I freaked out. This isn't a dream. Like if you fall off of a mountain or a roof, you wake up before you hit the ground. Or if you fall in the water, you don't feel the water. Oh, when these doves came down and picked me up, I, they, I felt them splash me with water. Yeah. And I freaked out because I was like, Oh, this isn't a normal, like I can feel the wind. It was not normal. It wasn't like a normal dream. Like I'm so vivid, you know, I'm 35 and I can tell you every detail of it. And so they picked me up and they carried in the mouth of this tornado and then all said the mouth of the tornado. I see the words and I hear this loud booming voice. They go into all the world, preach the gospel, make disciples go. Yeah. Oh, dude. Three times they say this to me and they set me down on top of the mountain and I wake up and I'm, my heart's racing and I'm having like, I'm almost having panic attack. And that's when I realized I'm like, one God is a real, it was terrifying. I realized how small I was, but how he still loved me and had a plan for me. And I knew the sin I was in, I know I didn't like so that for that led me for about two weeks of like starting to crack my Bible open after two weeks. I was like, okay, I want to go see some friends. And I went up to my friends house, they're all partying, smoking weed and everything. And that's when I realized I'm like, I don't know if I can do this anymore. And then I had to encounter with the Holy Spirit, met me in the house and had a bunch of demonic stuff leave me like it was just one thing after the next God was just pulling me out of that life, bro. I'm getting freaked out by you guys, but you name, well, I'll tell you why. Okay. I had a life changing dream where I had anger rule in my life. Okay. And I was a punch the door guy, I was a punch the guy guy. And I had this successful career, like built this internet radio company and sold it. I'm well known in this industry and I'm about to get a job at Microsoft and my temper gets me. And I flew off the handle on the phone at a lady and said things I shouldn't have said and she rightly called the cops. So now I'm facing a charge could derail this thing where Microsoft is so good to me and bust all this money and how old are you? Oh gosh, I was probably 32, 30, if that three years old. And I had a dream where there was a construction worker messing up my commutes and I was mad at him and screaming at him and then a guy comes by and a bike and he's telling me to chill. I'm like, Hey, dude, you're on a bike. And then the guy in the bike, his face turned into the Lord Jesus and he put his finger up like this and it was gentle. It wasn't to don't you. It was don't be angry. And when he said this, I had this feeling of floating like you did with the doves and I floated up into the sky and I was scared of my dream because I was floating and I encountered the face of the Lord Jesus in the stars and he said, Don't be angry. And I felt my body dying like all the life leading me, leaving me like, and I wanted to stay. I wanted to stay there and then my body woke me up and it changed me. I went from that moment on, I'm not ever going to surrender to anger really me again. I mean, I slip up. But so, wow, you guys are freaking me out. You are on what praise the Lord, man, I know he could just do it every once he's in charge. Right. He is. Yeah. So we talked with Nate, who's on the training cops, training parents, teachers, they do arrange these, um, sting operations to get these men who are, I think the Monica possess porn on porn agar, a point graphically possessed who want to go rent the bodies of, of little children and, um, and praise God, they're stopping that and getting in the middle of that or punishing guys once they do it and helping cops do that. You guys are on the other end of the spectrum and what's that? Yeah. We're on the other side of the coin. So Nate does more. We do education and training, um, but we, we're more trying to train people on like signs to look for how to, um, spot as somebody's being trafficked, how to work with survivors. Ours is more working with survivors. Nate's, Nate's mission is more to work with the police department and train them on how to catch the bad guys. Yeah. So our whole mission is more to, uh, just provide safety and healing and recovery services for women coming out of trafficking. So we do that for in three ways with prevention, intervention and recovery services. So what prevention would be trying to talk to kids, trying to talk to families, trying to prevent trafficking from happening. So we have an education center and we have, uh, four or five trainings that just constantly are rotating through there. And then the intervention piece is like, well, what happens when somebody has been traffic? Where do they go? Right. So you watch the sound of freedom movie and you're, you're all, you know, impacted in this, this girl's life, you know, she gets rescued, but then what? Like, she's not just going into a room and banging a drum and everything's great. Like she's just been raped 10 times a day, probably for years. And she's probably got drug addiction and all sorts of stuff that she's either enforced on or is on just a number self to be able to perform. And so where do they go? That's, that's why we exist. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing to, to, you know, know that that you're doing that and it's, um, there's a link to helping captives.org in the show notes. When I worked in the government schools, I worked in a gang impacted school in Salt Lake City, which sounds weird unless you understand that the dynamics of Salt Lake. There's a bunch of Mormons running around on bicycles. Yeah. Right. No, there's, there's, there's part of Salt Lake that's pretty gangrene. Okay. And in one day, I had two girls come to me on behalf of one. So I mean, the way it works was one in the morning, a girl named Jessica came up to me and she said, I need to tell you something about my friend Crystal, but you have to promise to not tell. I said, ah, you know, I can't do that, but I can listen. And if, if you guys have anything wrong, I'm not in trouble. Yeah. And she said, okay. Well, and I knew that Crystal, she was in sixth grade and I knew that she was overly sexualized. Yeah. I can see that. And then my dad, pretty obvious when they're five, fifth and sixth grade. It is, but I mean, in this society anymore with what we're doing with sex ed in the schools and how that's being promoted to kids, some people are numb to it. I knew it because my dad was a social worker. I knew the signs. So Jessica says, well, her, her uncle made her have sex last night. Okay. Well, you're very brave. Thank you for telling me this. And I saw Crystal standing over their corner and I said, and what do you want me to do? She said, well, Crystal was afraid to tell you, but she wants you to know. Okay. So whenever I talked to Crystal, hey, can you tell me what's going on? Because in Utah, they had to tell you couldn't say I heard this. So praise God, I'm able to get that uncle. The cops did that. And second time that day, another girl came to me and said, I heard that she helped Crystal. Mm. Mm hmm. Well, so my friend, then she pointed at her friend, her neighbor made her have sex last night, and then a boy couldn't tell me. He couldn't complete the sentence. So talk about it being common because your neighbor, my dad's best friend's daughter. Yeah. Right. It's sometimes people think when you're looking for the signs of sex trafficking, hey, just we used to call it because it was for same sex attracted people in downtown Spokane. There's a place called the Fruit Loop. Everybody knew if you wanted to buy sex with a boy or a man, it was at the Fruit Loop. But it's not that. The signs, we have to be looking for the signs in everyday life. Yeah. Right. So what are they? Well, that's a good point. I've brought you this because I thought you might want to have that. I'll keep it right here. But some of the signs, it's, I mean, most of them are going to be just as a parent. You just, I think what I've learned is just understanding what trafficking is and being trained on just what it, what happens and how people groom kids and how, how it's happening. Their radar is up. And so you start noticing things that don't seem to make sense. You know what I'm saying? Like when you, when you don't understand the trafficking is happening or you don't understand anything about it, what I mean is you just, like I used to think, oh, that's just a prostitute walking down the street. Like I would have never thought until I got some, like just training on it that, oh, maybe this isn't her choice. Maybe she was, she's being manipulated into this. Maybe she's, there's, there's people behind the scenes making her do this and she's got addiction problems and we need to help her. So that was not the lens of which I would look through it. So sometimes you end up in like a situation you go, this just fills off, but I don't understand what it is. And the more you get trained through trafficking, you can realize it because you'll start looking at different things like signs of physical abuse or burn marks, bruises, cuts, you start looking at them a little different, unexplained absences from school. Like if somebody just, all of a sudden is a great, great, great education and it's 4.0 and all of a sudden they're just not at school anymore and their whole entire personality shifting and changing, you're like, even if it's not trafficking, there's some, some kind of trauma or something's happened in their life, you know, because you certain noticing those things, you're kind of looking into it. Maybe they're just all sudden, way less appropriately addressed, overly sexualized, they're tired in class, withdrawn, depressed, distracted, they're bragging about making lots of money all of a sudden. They might have two cell phones, one that's for family, one that they, every time it rings, they have to answer it. They might have a new tattoos, they might be talking to their friends about like going out on dates with older men, like you start, you know, these are some signs that you start seeing and starts asking you, you start asking more questions. Hit Tom, I don't sell the full story because it's her story to tell, but something really bad happened to our daughter and it took us into a three-year journey for teen and adolescent mental health, a broken kid, a broken family, right? And what you're talking about, you know, we as parents expect our teens to get wacky, but that change in personality, that one day you're this and the next day you're that, that's something that, well, we've been trained as parents, no, you need to dig into because, you know, cutting yourself or burning yourself, it's ineffective, except it's not actually biologically helps reduce stress and anxiety. People don't get that, but it's also this form of communication, but then the bruises from getting beat up and it's like, you know, you're going to do this and that stuff that people don't want to see and I want to dig further in because there's definitely, there's a difference between sex work and sex trafficking, right? I want to talk about that a second, right? Because we need to use our minds on this stuff and get our brains together to recognize what's going on. When I noticed that when I had this experience in the schools, I started to see that stuff be more noticeable and I started to look at girls who were over sexualized in a far, far different way, and I mean, in one day, we knew this boy, this other boy was tragically, not traffic, but sex abuse. We knew that the doctors knew it, everybody knew it, but that gave me this hint to, wow, this is super, super, super common. So what is the difference between sex trafficking and sex abuse? Well, sexual abuse, I mean, is this anybody just abusing you sexually? I think sex work would be doing a commercial sex acts and so if you're choosing to go out and do prostitution, for instance, that would be a sex work. But with sex trafficking, there's recruitment, there's force, there's fraud, there's coercion. So if somebody's using forced-fartic coercion to get somebody to perform a commercial sex act, then it's sex trafficking and if they're getting a minor to perform a commercial sex act, it's immediately, it's immediately sex trafficking. So the difference is there's got to be forced-fartic coercion. Yeah. Do you think anyone actually chooses sex work? I mean, no, I mean, at some point, they might tell themselves that they have but died of never met any young girl that wakes up and she's four or five years old and says, you know what I want to do when I get older? I think what happens is, I'll just be honest, I personally think sex trafficking starts in the junior high hallway and what I mean by that is as soon as you hit junior high, culture screaming at you. If you're a guy, but the most important thing about you is your body count and tries to get you to get addicted to pornography even now before junior high. So they're trying to get you to look at women as objects instead of humans and from a woman's perspective, as soon as you get to that age, your culture screaming at you, the most important thing about you is your body and what you can give a man sexually. And now you've got one out of three women sexually abused by the time they're 18, one out of five boys sexually abused by the time they're 18. And that's what I think is the beginning of all this is that now you get these men that are addicted to porn, they're looking at women as objects. So why would they not purchase and pay for a commercial sex act? Because if you're a girl and all of you, all you've ever been told is this is all you're good for. Let me give you an example. We just purchased our local strip club and we're going to turn that into our anti-trafficking headquarters. I love it. This strip club was a, I just met with the manager that was there for 15 years. First time she did meth was in there, there's a lot, it's a, it's a, it's, there's a lot of stories and drug. Oh, it's notorious. It's the whole thing. Deja vu in Spokane, Washington, even back in the day of high school was notorious. Right. So, so we, we, we, it shut down, we, we jumped on, grabbed it. It's a perfect location for what we're doing. It's on a bus line. It's the right square footage. Everybody in our world knows where that building is located. It's a big concrete box. It's super secure. Like there's a lot of practical reasons, it just works out great for us. And then obviously it's a win-win situation because now there's not going to be a club there anymore. So, you know, for us as a Christians, we're like, Hey, this is only God could do. This. Well, we did the first thing I did when we bought the club is I called all the men of the community together to do a men's revival service and remove the stages. And so, yeah, yeah. So we did that and we had over 300 guys show up and we smashed the stages and remove them. And they, we did a full on service, 30 men gave their lives to the Lord. All these guys repented of just objectifying women. And it was a men's club. So I thought men should dedicate this back to the Lord. And so that's what we did. Well, there was some women that showed up to protest that used to work at the club because they didn't understand our heart. They just thought, well, we were buying this because we hate them, right? So during the, and I also am a part of a motorcycle organization. So there's Harley's and everything there to doing bikers for Christ, bikers for Christ are good friends of ours. We're actually doing their ride on Saturday. It's bikers helping captives. So, but so we, we were out there and the bikers come and get me in the middle of service and like, hey, these girls want to meet you. And so I go out and we meet with them. They take that with their, let us pray with them, they're crying. They start hearing our actual heart for them for what we're doing and we're like, hey, we love you guys. Like this is, this is, you know, we want to be here if you find yourself in a situation that ends in trafficking or ends in abuse or ends in drug addiction, like we're here for you, you know, and, but after the meeting, we let them come back in to say goodbye to the building because they just wanted to say goodbye to the facility. And we go into the back room, which is where they were this was their locker room and it's dirty and there's stuff everywhere and it's, it's messy. And one of the girls just starts breaking down crying. She's literally crying because in her mind, all she knows and all she's been told is that this is all she's good for is commercial sex work. And this is the most important part. And so now she's going at least here at the club. I had felt like I had a family. I had bouncers that kind of protected me. I could tell guys, no, you know, I could choose who I wanted to dance with. And now that this is gone, I'm going to have to go to the street. But well, I'm, I need to get a different career choice. It's I'm going to have to go to the street because this is all they know, bro. Right. Right. And that starts in the home that starts in junior high, that starts and just culture stream and at them. It's accelerated because you're younger than me and when I'm, but it was there as well when I was a kid that that was, you know, we didn't call it body count, but definitely that was there. And I can remember that there was a girl I had a massive crush on. I just thought she was, I mean, okay, I'm not going to lie. She was pretty. But there's something quirky and I like interesting people and this was in junior high and never dated her. Never like never. She gave me her phone number and in my yearbook at the ninth grade, and by the way, I can still remember it. Of course. Right. So wow, what's this? She ended up working with me in high school at a place restaurant. And one day after work late at night, we availed ourselves as some wine coolers and went out and talked. And I got done talking, I started driving home and I dropped off at her house. She sat there in the front seat and she goes, that's it? Yeah. You're not going to try anything? I don't know you. And she later told me that that was this unbelievably moment meaningful moment in her life. And I said, why? Because you'll understand one day. So it's accelerated in what's being done with this perverse pornographic sex ed in the schools is breaking down kids barriers where, hey, it's normal. Some adult dude wants to come and show you a sex toy. Yeah. And that's part of grooming that traffickers do. They try to get you to. So I want you to hold on to that because we need to compare this and just pay this off and our time is brief. So we'll hurry through this. Oh, gosh, I, you and I were talking CrossFit earlier, doing this crazy, crazy thing coming up in September. I'm going to go do seal fit, which is a 50 version, nice hour of, you know, it is. Yeah. Of a hell week. And I used to eat a ton of ibuprofen and I'm talking about four pills a night and I hate big pharma. 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So I was there, Caleb, fighting against the first evil incarnation of this sex ed in Washington state when the boss of government schools over there, Chris Raekdall, sweating, feverishly obsessively going through the hallways of the legislature pushing this stuff. Jim Fuda with Crime Stoppers International told me on my radio program when I did Morning Dark Radio in Seattle, he said this stuff is a dream scenario for sex traffickers and for pedophiles. So the parallel lines between this sort of curriculum and what groomers do helped me understand that. Well, I just know. So I'm going to tell you a story of a good friend of mine and just kind of try and humanize us a little bit. So I've got a really, really good friend of mine. She's like a sister. When I was just getting into this, she came and heard me speak at an event and she'd never told anybody her full story. And she came up and talked to me and then I had her meet with my parents and she opened up her whole story. And then she ended up becoming one of our staff and doing our activities director. But her name's CJ, she's also the owner of a coffee shop in Spokane called the Garden Coffee and Locally's. And she's totally down and open to me sharing her story. And so I'm going to share that real quick. So CJ's story is pretty typical of what we'll see is mom and dad get divorced. She's 13, mom and dad are drinking and smoking pot all the time kind of party and lifestyle. So she moves in with her dad to downtown Seattle in a motel. And there's a pimp, there's a trafficker sitting outside these motels looking for situations like like a CJ. So CJ is now living out of a motel dad's just kind of smoking and partying. So she's kind of can do whatever she wants outside. This guy's in his 30s approaches are starts to buy her food kind of taking care of her over time starts to kind of bring her into more of his life kind of desensitizing her to all this certain sort of stuff is why like groomers, traffickers sometimes will take girls to strip club different things like that because they want to desensitize them to the whole commercial sex industry, right? And you know, they start out with like touching or red light green light game or just different things that desensitize a human to sexual touch. And then he starts to get pull her away from her dad and trying to isolate her, right? So now all said, Hey, your dad's not really there for your dad doesn't really care that much about you. Look at me. I'm taking care of you. I've got this beautiful house in LA. You should just come move away with me and come. I'll take care of you. I'll be like your dad, right? So she decides she's going to run off with him. So a lot of times you hear runaways and you don't know the backstory of like what's going on or if there's other people involved. So she ends up running away with this guy and she goes to get in the car and there's another woman in the front seat. She goes, well, this is weird. I was just me and him, right? But she goes, well, I'll jump in there. But that was that guy's bottom girl that was also recruiting other women in the Seattle area. So they drive down and they get to bend Oregon and CJ is tall. She's like six feet tall and so, you know, she might not look like a typical 13 year old, but at the time, but she's clearly just a 13 14 year old girl and they get to bend Oregon and now all of a sudden she's trapped. Like what's she going to go? So now they tell her, hey, we are going to take care of you. We are going to give you food. We are going to take you shopping, but it's not going to be for clothes that you would ever buy. And in order to get the housing, in order to get the food, you're going to have to pay us by selling yourself on the street. And so that's how she ends up getting into it being sold on the street. When she does get arrested at that time, the police would just get her for prostitution or something like that. And so now she doesn't trust the type of telecops, so I'm telling you about your story. Anytime she tried to leave, he'd beat her, throwing her ice bass. So this is her horrible reality and being abused multiple times a day. And then she starts to think, now she gets into the drugs. Now he's grooming training her to say, this is just who you are. This is your choice. This you're just a ho, you're just this. So now she's starting to think of her own identity as this and this is all she's good for. And at some point he leaves to go back up to Washington to get somebody else and she's able to get away. And luckily there was another woman in the house that was older that was like, you need to go because at that point, most of the women won't even leave. They just have Stockholm syndrome, right? And so she's brave enough, she leaves, comes back up to that, up to Spokane. Her mom thought she was dead. By this point, the whole family's right because they thought she had died, she was gone. And that just leads her into this next season of her life, which is just drug addiction and partying and nobody never wanted to share her actual story until later on, somebody hands her a book in her 30s and she's reading her story and she starts weeping because she realizes she didn't actually choose this. Is her, she had been brainwashed to believe this is your, this is your choice. You know, she realizes I was 13 and this, this guy was actually like groom me into it. And so that's part of the grooming process for a pedophile or anything is to try to like one, just to sensitize them to, to sex. And then you do the isolation tactics. So that's what's worrisome to me about just all of the stuff and the sex, sex ed and all that kind of stuff. It's like, there's a limit to like, you know, wanting kids to be safe, wanting them to come talk to teachers or counselors that they're being abused and that type of thing. And then there's a limit to like how much information they need. And now you're actually overly sexualizing them. And you're telling them don't tell your parents. Yeah, that part's crazy. Right. Tell a trusted adult, not your parents. And they specifically. Some of the parent, this is a night, this is the part that's, this is going to be controversial. I get it because I, I would always want somebody to come talk to their parent, right? Some of these parents are the ones that are abusing their kids. So what they do is they'll take this isolated case and then they'll just blanket statement, blanket it for everything. I totally get that because in those, what, my dad had been a social worker, my mom, master's degree and early childhood, my wife is a brilliant and skilled teacher. We've seen those circumstances. There was a little boy whose mom lived in, she, she was a prostitute. Don't know her story. I know that she desperately wanted to keep her son who would have to stay in her car while she performed acts of prostitution in front of men, well two men. And I know that they were sometimes abusing him. So yes, there are these cases where the parents, the one who's facilitating or doing it, but to take this blanket statement as they have in curricula, don't tell your parents, particularly if they're conservative or Christian. Bro, okay. So we just had our daughter. Yeah. And that's when I started really working out because I was like, I had a son and we liked a wrestle. But for some reason when I had my daughter, like triggered something. He went to the doctor and my wife is filling out the forms or something and the doctor, I forget exactly what happened. But basically the reality is, is that Sarah is, she's told that she couldn't eventually be on certain forms or something once my daughter turns 13 because she's not allowed to know anything that's going on medically with our kid when she's 13 years old. Oh, it's not just that. No, no, they at in your state, Washington, they'll give your daughter an abortion, antidepressants, wrong sex hormones without your knowledge. Yeah. You get a bill. Crazy man. Well, but there's also this, a 13 year old in your state can walk into a Planned Parenthood and say my parents want to firm my sexuality and they're gone and they'll hide them. A kid from Idaho can walk across the border, go to a school and say my parents in Idaho want to firm my so-called transgender. And they'll hide that kid from the parents and from that whole state patrol. It's illegal for the state patrol in your state to tell a parent where their kid is. So that's, to me, it's demonic and we'll wrap this up as we live in a bad movie where it's like we're living in sound of freedom. I would tell you, I was down in Port of Art, to Mexico. You guys know this, then it renew healthcare and it was talking about the difference between Port of Arta and Northern Mexico. Northern Mexico is really, really cartel run. Now, to be honest, so let's go is two differences that the cartels have better drug policies than Washington state. Down in Port of Arta, they've said, hey, no fentanyl and you touch a tourist. You're dead to the cartels, which means you're dead. So it's a far different place. They have their same issues, but it is so, so minor there, which is one of the reasons that renews set up shop there. They'd like to do what they do in the United States. But funny thing, we were talking about big pharma earlier, big pharma doesn't want placenta and placenta and umbilical cord stem cells use to help regrow tissue because they'd rather have you take painkillers, things worse than ibuprofen like fentanyl. So if you've been told you're going to have to have surgery for like a rotator cuff repair, please pause. Get your MRI to the people at renew. They'll tell you how to do that. They'll look at it. You might not need surgery. My friend Boris is a world class master's level swimmer. I think third in the nation last time around former Olympian, he couldn't swim. Why he went to renew three weeks later, he's back in the pool. My case, they told me, hey, Todd, your shoulder's too far gone, but we can help you after recovery. Same shoulder surgery. This one, I didn't get full movement back for 42 weeks. My right one after I went to renew, I was doing pull-ups and push-ups in 12 weeks, which no one expected, at least of all me. So you can work with these guys. If lower lumbar, arthritis, it's even neurological issues, go to renew.healthcare, telling me you heard about it on the podcast, the Todd Herman Show, or SOT. It's renew.healthcare. Three minutes to wrap this up, this has gone way, way too fast. I'd love to have you back. It's number one. Gosh, praise God for equipping the call in your case and what can an audience that's... We have a big audience in the Pacific Northwest of the United States, but for whatever reason, we're big in Brazil, and Netherlands, and God's blessed, our audio version of this podcast, being in the top 1/2 of 1% globally. We're still working on the video stuff and we're behind the times on that. So how can we help you specifically? Yeah, I think right now, the biggest thing we're running into is that within our anti-trafficking networks, when we started off, we were doing long-term care, which means we were doing like nine to 18-month programs. And within our networks, there was only like 10 organizations in the United States that was doing emergency services. And so we were asked to do emergency services. We have a big issue in the Pacific Northwest, we're at between Seattle and Billings, Montana, within our network, and they're for emergency care. Definitely the only, I would say, Christian conservative organization in Washington doing this with values that we have and wanting to keep Christ in everything that we're doing. And because of that, we had an opportunity from our city council to get a million dollars and we had to turn it down because the only way to take that money would have been to take Christ out of our organization. And so right now, we're just trying to, honestly, the best thing to help us is just go to our website and just learn about us and know what we're doing. And if you could just give to what we're doing currently to purchase the old strip club and turn it into our headquarters because that will exponentially help us grow and help weigh more women, we've helped 200 women already. But this will allow us to have emergency, 24 hour emergency care and outpatient for women that need outpatient and counseling for kids. And so that all will be able to be happened through this new headquarters. And we are only 650 grand away from making that happen. There it is. Okay. So just it's in the show notes. It's helpingcaptives.org if you don't have the show notes helpingcaptives.org in an incredible way to take the gifts God's given you to steward and steward them really, really wisely. Brother, just a huge pleasure. You guys are still freaking me out of his common eyes. I'm going to have to do some praying about this. This is the Todd Herman show, please go be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every effort to walk a lot of Christ. (upbeat music)