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"Fiscal Time Bomb": Being a Sanctuary State is Hard with Jessica Vaughan | 8.1.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 3
(upbeat music) - Live from the Aviva Tratria Studio, it's the Grace Curly Show. - We gotta bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. - You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. - Well, you don't want too much Grace. - Here's the millennial with the mic. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Grace Curly. - Let's bring in the host of the Grace Curly Show, Grace Curly. - You either have Grace or you don't. - Especially Grace, Grace stand up. - Grace Curly. - Welcome back everyone to the Grace Curly Show. Thank you so much for joining us today. We've already covered a number of different topics and joining us now to talk a legal immigration specifically here in Massachusetts is Jessica Vaughn from the Center for Immigration Studies. Jessica, thank you so much for your time today. - Hi Grace, glad to be with you. - Jessica, I have a few different stories that you've been working on that I want to cover and one of them involves the serious incident reports that have been recorded at base date migrant family shelter programs. So far this year, you were quoting in the Herald as saying, this is very disturbing. This is a huge number of incidents. Can you give people a little background on this and what kind of incidents are we talking about here? - Well, this is disturbing. The Herald uncovered these reports of inappropriate activity that were occurring at the migrant shelters that are being run by contractors that are being handsomely paid by the state government with taxpayer dollars. And they revealed hundreds of incidents over a pretty brief period of time showing that it really reveals a couple of things. One is that these sites are really, they don't know anything about the people who are being put into these shelters. So obviously most of the people there are not gonna be a threat to others, but some of them are and they are taking advantage of these congregate settings without much supervision to assault people, to sexually assault kids and we can't even get detailed information on exactly what is going on. And more importantly, what happened to the people who were doing these things in these shelters? So the shelters themselves are not a safe place for these migrants. So the contractors don't seem to be facing many consequences for their mismanagement of these places either. It's really just kind of, it's just a completely unregulated situation with no accountability to anyone, particularly not to the communities where these shelters exist. And so it's also telling us about the migrants themselves is like some of these people are bad people who should never, none of them should have been let in to begin with, especially not the ones who are causing all of these problems. - Well, to that point. - And of course, Massachusetts being the sanctuary state that it is and particularly the Healy administration's approach, things, these perpetrators are not being turned over to ICE. I can promise you that. - Well, you were just talking about how the Herald got this information, how you've been reporting on it and you've been trying to find out more information. Has there been a lot of outcry? Has there been a lot of coverage of this? Are people? - I know that this story was posted around July 20th and obviously the news right now, there's been so many different stories. But as far as the curiosity goes here of reporters out there or of people in the communities, isn't there are people asking questions or do you feel like you're the only one? - No, I think the Herald is really the only news organization locally that's doing any kind of probing of what's going on there to other news outlets like WGBH or some other places. This is not worthy of looking at because of course these shelters are humanitarian exercise and everything must be fine. We cannot speak of the problems there because that might get citizens wild up and say things that are problematic to this policy of accepting all these people. - Yeah, and when we do find out that there has been an incident and I want to read here from the Herald. It says the shelter system has been under the microscope over the last several months earlier this year, a migrant was accused of raping a disabled girl at a local shelter. The migrant child rape case involving 26-year-old Corey Alvarez sparked a congressional inquiry and led to more Republican-fueled criticism of the emergency shelter system in Massachusetts. When you have someone like that, what is the vetting process? Like are there red flags that are showing up that are just being ignored to allow someone like a Corey Alvarez into this system and to have access to young people and to be able to endanger them in the way that he did? - Well, the first thing everyone has to understand is that these people are not vetted in any meaningful way whatsoever when they pass through the hands of Border Patrol and are sent on their merry way to go wherever they want and take advantage of shelters in Massachusetts or, you know, free my hotels in New York City or whatever, you know, wherever they're going. And we have, you know, in the case of Haitians, but there's really no way for us to vet them, but we do have relationships with law enforcement agencies and in some other countries. And but nobody's even asking the question, the Border Patrol is told to process them as quickly as possible. And, you know, whatever happens happens, you know, like I guess it was Governor Healy who said things are gonna happen. But, you know, and of course Republicans are gonna pounce on it when things do. - Yeah, it's always our reaction. It's never the actual story. Speaking of Governor Morahili, you are making waves, Jessica, because you authored a report that talks about the fiscal time bomb that we are currently on as Morahili continues to invite more illegal aliens into Massachusetts. Tell us about that. Let's get down to the brass tacks. Tell us about, monetarily, what are we looking at here? How much is this costing us? And she keeps, you know, reaching out to the Biden administration and telling us that the cure to this is more money, but is that gonna solve the problem? Is this a tenable situation that we're in? - No, it's completely untenable. I calculated that there are about 50,000 inadmissible migrants who crossed the border illegally or came through some other programs who have settled in Massachusetts. And the reason this is such a problem is, yes, the shelters and all the other services that they're receiving, you know, as soon as they arrive, are expensive enough. The states spent a billion dollars already and is poised to spend two billion more in the next couple of years. The people who are welcoming the migrants don't see this as a problem, like the Healy administration, the Biden-Harris administration. They keep telling us that these migrants are gonna contribute, that they have work permits and that they're gonna be self-sufficient. It doesn't work that way. Even if they are working, because the state has such a generous social safety net, they are never going to be able to earn enough to support themselves. They are gonna have access to welfare programs, to health insurance. Their kids are gonna be in public schools. Some of them are gonna be incarcerated. All of this is gonna cost way more than any small amount that they may contribute in the form of paying sales tax or indirect property tax or even any income tax that they pay for employment. We're told frequently that they're being sponsored by people, especially the Ukrainians and the Afghans and a lot of the Haitians are coming under these improper parole programs that the Biden administration is using. And they have somebody sign a piece of paper that says that they're going to sponsor this migrant as if that means that they're going to have to provide some kind of financial support. They're not required to provide any support whatsoever. In fact, they don't even have to live in the same state. This is all smoke and mirrors to fool the public into thinking that this is all gonna work out when in fact, we know congressional budget office has demonstrated this, the National Academy of Sciences has demonstrated this. My colleagues have shown this and a lot of research shows that illegal aliens are costly. They are a fiscal drain because they have access to welfare programs and they don't earn enough to cover those costs. The other problem is that Biden has chosen to allow millions of illegal migrants to come in with this and get this quasi-status called parole. And under federal law, the way it's interpreted currently, which we think is perhaps something that can be challenged, they qualify for welfare. If they're not getting it already, they're going to start qualifying for it five years after the migrants arrival, which is gonna start to be in 2026. This is gonna be another huge expense for taxpayers to bear all of a sudden. That's like a fiscal time bomb ready to go off when all of these people who come in under these improper programs start to qualify to access food stamps, canis, Medicaid, all of the means tested federal programs, housing assistance, and in Massachusetts, even add more programs on top of that, like health care and so on. This is all, the bill is going to come do starting in 2026. And if the state legislature can't figure out how to pay for this now, imagine what it's going to be like in 2026 when even more of these migrants are still here, still collecting benefits, because it's, most of them are not gonna be sent home by then because the immigration courts are so jammed up by now. So this is a problem really that everybody ought to start planning for now. - Yeah, and everyone should start paying attention to-- - Plan for it is to start sending people home because they don't have a basis to stay, but that's gonna take time. - Well, you know what's funny, Jessica, and I'm running out of time now, but how we, and you've gone on how we show many times as well, he read a poll recently that shows the overwhelming amount of Americans support deportations, and the number actually really surprised me. Even a lot of Democrats are starting to warm up to the idea of, okay, we can't let people in here unvetted, we have to have a system, we have to have it be fair, people have to be vetted in the proper way, and so I do think that through your reporting and through kind of just hammering this home to people, that this is not a situation that is safe or that is fiscally tenable, I think is, it's really starting to make an impact, you're starting to see people waking up to this, I applaud you for it, the Daily Mail has your story, the post-millennial, you're doing an excellent job, tell people where they can read this report and where they can follow you on social media. It's all on our website at CIS.org, we put out a podcast today discussing it further and everything we do is there and thanks to you for helping me get the message out. - Absolutely, it's such an important message, thank you Jessica Vaughn, we'll talk to you soon, you don't have to wait once a week for your favorite TV show to come on the air anymore, you just stream what you want when you want it, well the same rules apply to real estate, you don't have to list your property at a price and then start negotiating, I talked to one of the VIPs the other day and he actually went through JJ Manning auctioneers to auction his home in Harwichport and he explained the whole process to me, he said I was on the phone with Charlie Gill a lot, I was able to access them whenever I had a question and Justin Manning did an excellent job at the auction, he showed up, he knows how to do it, he's done it so many times and he couldn't say enough nice things about the process and it was really awesome to get to talk to a listener who used this sponsor and had such a wonderful experience and I think that that's exactly what could be out there for you, if you have a piece of real estate that you're trying to sell, whether it's commercial, residential or land, you can sell it quickly and contingency free with a team at JJ Manning and here's what I need you to do, I want you to call 80521 0111, that's 80521 0111 to call Charlie Gill at JJ Manning or if you're more of an online person, jjmanning.com. If you want to get your real estate sold in a simple way that works, it's simple, it's effective and it's hassle free, you want to auction it with the best and the brightest at JJ Manning. So jjmanning.com will be right back, Taylor, people still wanted to talk about Trump's convention yesterday, Trump went to the National Association of Black Journalists Convention and there was plenty of fireworks, there were plenty of moments, the one that the media is picking up on is Trump saying that Kamala Harris turned black. Now, depending on which side of the aisle you're on, I'm guessing if you're listening to my show you, you're probably a little bit more on the right. It's amazing to see how people are taking this and spinning it to fit whatever narrative they want. We'll talk about that. JD Vance is at the border, he's highlighting what a terrible job Kamala Harris has done as borders are. I wish he could do a little bit more of that. We'll talk on the other side. - You're listening to The Grace Curly Show. (dramatic music) This is The Grace Curly Show. Coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happen to be taking black jobs. You had the best. - What exactly is a black job, sir? - A black job is anybody that has a job, that's what it is, anybody that has a job. And they're taking the employment away from black people. They're coming in and they're coming in, they're invading, it's an invasion of millions of people, probably 15, 16, 17 million people. I have a feeling it's much more than that. That was Donald Trump yesterday at the National Association for Black Journalists. He went to Chicago to join a panel of three black women reporters and it was fireworks from the very beginning. It was clear that two of the women on the panel were not fans of Donald Trump. And again, even as I sit here and I wanna, Hemmen Hall, were what he said and it's how I feel. I feel like going down this road of Kamala Harris, what she said she was Indian and now she said she's black, people are biracial, people can be multiracial, they can identify with different parts of themselves. Do I understand that he feels that she picks certain parts of her identity and highlights them depending on the crowd she's with? Absolutely, but I would also say that every Democrat known to man does that. It's not like really a Kamala Harris thing, it's every single Democrat loves to pander two different communities. But the overall takeaway that I did have from Trump going to the NABJ yesterday was, dude's not afraid of anybody. Dude is not afraid to speak his mind, he does not care who he's gonna take off and he's the honey badger and nothing. They didn't know what was next. Two days after that. I cannot understand your microphone so much. I know, it is really hard for me to understand. I can understand you perfectly. This is closer. I cannot understand you. I'm happy to hear that. But I can understand, Harris. I have a few more questions. Because of the distance and the mics are really in lousy shape, but I cannot understand what you're saying. I wanted to point out as well, since we've already delved into conspiracy theories this week, I don't know if Harris Faulkner's mic was tampered with in some way. I think it's pretty convenient that the one person on the panel, who might've been sympathetic, or not even sympathetic just fared to Donald Trump, that her microphone gets on the fritz and he can't hear her, but he could hear the woman from ABC loud and clear, as he pointed out. He could hear the woman from Semaphore loud and clear, but Harris Faulkner who happened to be sitting the furthest away from him on stage could barely get a question in because of a technical glitch. - I am glad she said something. I didn't pull that cut, but she also said I'm also having trouble hearing what's going on on the stage. I'm sure everybody in the audience can hear just fine. - Because if she hadn't have said anything, the media would have run with, Trump has trouble hearing on stage, another sign of his seniority. - Yes, yes, yes. You always have to be aware of all of these things. And at one point he said to the woman from Semaphore, "I can hear you now." And she said, "Excuse me?" And you could tell that she thought he made some sort of snide comment and he said, "I can hear you now, it sounds clear." And he's a TV guy, you know? He's big on audio and visual. He wants everything to work correctly. I think it drives him a little crazy when it doesn't. So that was another element to this convention that was adding to the tension. He was not happy that it was 35 minutes late. He was not happy that he was being cut off and he was not happy that he couldn't hear people. Imagine that, you want to get on the stage and you want to be able to hear the people that you're speaking to and getting questions from. The nerve of the sky. 844-542-42. Do the poll question quick here and then we'll come back with the calls. Today's poll question is brought to you by the Nossid Beach Inn. Special off-season rates from October 14th till March 31st started just $2.99. The Nossid Beach Inn is the only lodging available inside the Cape Cod National Seashore. So book your room. They fill up quickly. Book early at nossidbeajin.com. That's nossidbeajin.com. Taylor, what is the poll question and what are the results thus far? Today's poll question which you can vote in at gracecurlyshow.com is, was it a mistake for Trump to appear at the NABJ convention? No, I don't think it was. We lost another one. 82% say no. We'll talk more about this when we come back. (upbeat music) Live from the Aviva Trattria studio. Your response to those comments. (laughing) He is a candidate so I'm gonna be super careful. Wait, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. I have more to say. I certainly have more to say. As a person of color, as a black woman who is in this position that is standing before you at this podium, behind this lectern, what he just said, what you just read out to me is propulsive, it's insulting, and no one has any right to tell someone who they are, how they identify. That is no one's right. It is someone's own decisions. Hold on, pause right there. Pause it right there for me. Oh, and. Is her boss the guy who told Charlemie and the God, if you can't figure out if you're gonna vote for me or Donald Trump, then you ain't black? Is that telling someone how to identify or telling someone about their identity? I would say yes. Did she miss that one? Also, it's always, it's always embarrassing to me how obvious it is when Democrats think that they're on the winning side of things because they can't even hide it. It's like the example I gave of Jeff dropping his wife at the airport. Like they're so giddy, but KJP, who never wants to answer a question, who's literally always up there like scrambling for her binder, you know, avoiding answering a question. If it has anything to do with national security, if it has anything to do with the multiple failures of this administration, she, I'm gonna have to refer you to this one. I can't speak about that because of the Hatch Act. I can't comment on that 'cause I don't have anything more for you. And then when she thinks that they've got a winning message or that they're gonna slam on Donald Trump, she is like all smiles. She can't even hide or giddy. She's like, hold on a second. A lot of thinking I have more to add. I have more to add as a black woman. And she wants to go on this whole thing of how racist and awful it is. Her boss, the guy that you're actually up there and you're supposed to be speaking for, you're not supposed to tell us what you, what Donald Trump meant to say. You're supposed to tell us what Joe Biden means to say. And trust me, that's a lot harder to translate. But when he said you ain't black, I don't believe you had an issue with it. I didn't think, I don't believe you felt like he was telling people how to identify or it was repulsive. I would have remembered if KJP said that anything Joe Biden has said over the last four years or really in his entire political career, which has spanned like 51 years, if she had said anything in reference to Joe Biden's repulsive comments, I would have remembered, but she doesn't 'cause it's a double standard. - If I may grace speaking as a white man behind this microphone with his headphones on, wearing this shirt, sitting in this chair, wearing these shoes in this studio, that's what she was doing. - Yes, she was. - She said as a black woman, behind this like term, behind this podium, under these lights. - Well, as a white woman behind this microphone in this chair, in this studio, which is the Aviva Charteria studio. - Please describe what you're wearing and give everybody your pronouns. - I'm wearing a Moby Diggs green sweatshirt and it's so comfy and I love it. I do wanna point out as well, we continue to talk about this and it's been a very interesting conversation and a fruitful conversation, I might add. And I was kind of dreading it. I was like, oh, everyone's gonna give me such a hard time. But this is what I love about my listeners. Everyone can handle a difference of opinion when we don't kill each other. We just show up and we talk about it. The other point that I wanna bring up, which someone texted in and someone said, there are plenty of people in the black community who do feel this way, who feel the way that Trump feels. I had Jennifer Oliver O'Connell on, she's a black woman, I had her on yesterday from Red State. And she explained, and she wasn't speaking for herself for how she feels about Kamala, but she was explaining some of the animosity or some of the general dislike of Kamala from certain parts of the black community and why that might be. She was giving her theory on why some people in the black community are not wowed by Kamala. And this is gonna tick people off and everyone's gonna say, well, that's not the way it should be. But the way I would describe Trump going into this is, and maybe this is exactly why it is going to resonate with some people, is that a black person calling out Kamala is just going to be treated differently than a white person, making these statements about Kamala. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's the way it should be, but you all listening know exactly what I mean when I say that. And one other thing I wanna add in is when people say to me, well, there's plenty of black people who don't feel that she actually is black. I don't want to go into this road of what qualifies or who's black or who's not black or how policing people's blackness, I don't like that. I don't think it's a good thing. I don't think it's what this country is about. I think this country is about who you are as a person. And so I fully understand the nuance of this argument about highlighting or exposing how she can be dishonest about her positions and her policies and how she panders to certain groups. You're white, then you've been effing. But I also think Donald Trump has to be ready for, and maybe he is, he has to be ready for this to be completely taken out of context, to be completely twisted, and for him to get the racist label yet again. Ron, you're up next on The Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Ron. - Oh, one thing. Hey, Grace, how are ya? - I'm great, what's going on? - So I don't know if it's already been said with regards to the journalist event. I wanna kind of take the words out of the whole thing that were exchanged. And what I was impressed by was that Trump sat there. He kind of absorbed the whole thing. He did not interject. He did not talk over anybody or interrupt or anything like that. Which that's insulting to everybody, but especially women bring that up as being insulting towards them, and also towards women of color. But then also, they didn't show really any sympathy towards somebody that was just nearly killed a couple of weeks ago. And that's my thoughts. - Yeah, they really, you know, they really, I mean, he wasn't the victim in the attempted assassination, Ron, you know that. He was not the victim. He was actually the one at fault, according to many members of our media. It was his fault that he was shot in the head. If it weren't for his violent rhetoric, then that shooter never would have taken aim at him from 400 feet away. And the Secret Service would have done a better job. Had it not been for Trump. You know, how he always plays a cut of Trump saying, "Everybody's always blaming me for everything." You know it's true when the guy has his ear shot in his head almost taken off and the response after, I would say it took a solid 12 hours for people to then to start going, "You know, has it occurred to anyone else "that maybe this was all his fault to begin with? "And that maybe we should blame him "for this attempted assassination?" So that's number one. But the second thing that I do wanna say about this National Association of Black Journalists is that one thing I've noticed is like, I can say whatever I want about what Trump said and the women on MSNBC, and I'm sure the women on the view, I'm sure today, they were like probably like KJP there, probably, they couldn't even get the words out. It was probably better than the day that Eugene Carroll won that lawsuit against Trump and you know, they were all coming out to ♪ Money, money, money, money, money, money ♪ It was, it's a celebratory day for the women of the view 'cause they feel like they have it. They just had a giant win with this. Like, oh, we can call them a racist again. And that's all well and good. But I'm noticing that the left is trying to tell you how black people feel about what he said about Kamala Harris and we actually don't know that. And that's part of their issue is that they love to tell the black community this is how you feel about this. He said this, that was racist, you have to be offended by it. Doesn't always work that way. I've been seeing a lot of posts on social media. I've been seeing a lot of things that actually have me thinking that people are not receiving what Trump is saying the same way they were in 2016 and the same way they were in 2020. There's a lot of people out there in the black community, but in other communities as well, that are a lot more open minded to Trump after four years of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Even if she doesn't want to take any credit for her time as a VP. 844-500-42-42. I thank you all for participating in this debate today. We went back and forth quite a few times, but it was great. It was a great conversation and we all feel differently about it. Some people think it was a, and you know what, when you have these things? - That felt like the good old days. Now, this is the craziness that we were used to. Not the breaking news cycles of people nearly getting shot, of people dropping out of races, of people being elevated to other places where they shouldn't be of wars and whatnot. - Exactly, this is the stuff that I miss. - Yeah, and you know what, Taylor? It really is. - This is the kind of unison over divisiveness that I really long for. - It's the perfect way to describe Donald Trump. It's like they're gonna get mad at something he said because they find it abhorrent. But when things happen under Biden, that are actually abhorrent. When Biden takes action that actually puts Americans in bad situations. And when violence breaks out and when the borders overrun and when wars break out, we're involved in several different proxy wars and we're sending all of our money there and we have a fentanyl crisis that most people are not even aware of. They're silent, there's no outrage. But a 30 second cut is enough to keep the members of our media and the Democrat party running on this for probably another three weeks, maybe longer. And it will become one of their staples, you know? It'll become one of the things that Trump said that destroyed them, but you're right. Just to pose this with Trump getting shot in the head. Like to them, a comment, something that you say that they wanna misinterpret or they wanna, they want to characterize one way is so much worse than anything they've said about Trump or Trump getting shot in the head. - The worst you have to fear for me is, I say cookie things sometimes. Joe and Kamala, they do cookie things. - He says cookie things. And I don't even know if that's a proper way to describe it. But like Greg Guffill used to say that all the time. He's like, I didn't like the guy until I just started going based off his actual actions and not his comments or his tweets. And you know what? I said this last night with a group of friends, I never get heated about politics, but it'd been a long day and I was tired and somebody brought this up. Whoa, what he said about Kamala Harris and blah, blah. And I said, at this point, if you wanna get upset about that, if you wanna have that be the reason that you don't vote for Trump and if you wanna vote for Kamala Harris and Joe Biden or Kamala Harris and whoever her VP is gonna be, go for it. 'Cause I've said my piece, I've talked to it for the last four years about what a disaster this is. And if you are okay with four more years of this and escalating to whatever degree it's gonna escalate to, God knows what we're gonna be in four more years with Kamala Harris at the helm. But that's your prerogative. Like if you are so, if you would rather no mean tweets, if you would rather no news cycles like this, where Trump says something and gets people's panties in a bunch and you would prefer sending billions of dollars overseas and you would prefer a border that's overrun and you would prefer incompetence at every level of our government and every level of our society, then vote for Kamala Harris and you won't have, the words of Nixon, you won't have Trump to kick around anymore. Freedom. You'll have a host of other issues, but at least Trump won't be saying something you find offensive at the NABJ. At least Trump's won't be tweeting from the White House. That really is, this has come full circle, but that really is, no matter how much I might criticize anything Trump says, don't misunderstand that I fully am aware of how much worse Joe and Kamala and Janet Yellen and John Kirby and all of these people are. They are incompetent, they are arrogant, they are lazy and they are, most importantly, they are anti-American. So while we can go into for three hours, oh, should Trump have said this or should he said that? They're gonna run with this, they're gonna run with that. It's nothing compared to what four years of this administration will be if we give them another four. I'm really hoping people don't, really, really, really hoping people open their eyes here. But it's like, oh my God, when you go to dinner with someone and they're like, but what about what he said about black jobs? I'm like, we're gonna do this again. You all did this the last time, okay? And by you all, I mean, liberal, Democrat radicals. I'm like, you all got offended the last time. And so you had four years to learn your lesson, okay? Mistakes are okay if you learn something. You had four years to go, oh, wow. All those things that I thought were so life altering didn't really affect me. But the actual policies of the people I voted for do affect me. So you had four years to let that sink in. And now we're three months away and you're letting the media and all of these people do it again. - Trump's response to what our black jobs should really be. Oh, you don't remember those? You had those when I was president, didn't you? - This is-- - Black unemployment was so low. - And he did hit a lot of those points. You know, he did hit drill, baby drill, he did hit inflation, he did hit the border. But again, it's like, there are people out there who are gonna take whatever the media gives them and they're gonna eat it from a spoon. I'm not one of those people, by the way. I know I'm gonna get that like, oh, you fell for it too. I didn't fall for it. I know exactly what he's trying to say. I just don't think it's the best way to say it. And I also don't think it's necessary to say. But it doesn't mean I'm unaware of the selective outrage from people who had no problem when this kind of criticism was thrown at Nikki Haley or Tim Scott or Clarence Thomas. It was encouraged by all these same people. So although I can criticize Trump for something, it doesn't mean that I'm not aware of how hypocritical the other side is. They don't actually care that he said that about Kamala Harris. They're not actually offended. They just know what's gonna work for them. And they're excited about it. KJP, she sounded the happiest in that cut that she sounded in the last like three years. She was so giddy to talk about it. Oh yeah, he said something offensive about black people or Indian people. I don't know which way you wanna spin it, who was offensive too. But she was thrilled. She was over the moon. You could hear it in her voice. And that's the point. I don't like giving them that opportunity to be so excited. Many of us think of Cape Cod as the place to be during the summer. 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The guy looks good in the sweater. It's a great vibe when you're new England. It's getting chilly. And that's why it's amazing that he offers these deals. October 14th through March 31st started just to 1999. Each room is spacious with two queen size beds. So enjoy special off season rates. October 14th through March 31st. With only 13 rooms, reservations fill up really quickly. So book early at nasabeachin.com. That's nasabeachin.com. We'll be right back. Follow Grace on Twitter at g_curly. [MUSIC PLAYING] This is the Grace Curly Show. So in this campaign, I will proudly put my record against his any day of the week. Any day of the week, including, for example, on the issue of immigrations. Yeah, I was going to play that for Jessica Bond, but there was so much to cover in Massachusetts that I figured why go to Kamala at that point. 617 says, love this show, all different opinions, but very respectful, civil, and insightful. Well, thank you, 617. And thank you for listening. We do appreciate it. Howie Carr joins us now. Howie, I gave you a little news update that I thought was going to peak your interest a little bit more than it did, but it's kind of a nothing. Which is? The Whitey Bulger story. Oh, yeah. I have a Google alert on Whitey Bulger, and I get one. And I say to Howie, hey, I heard Whitey Bulger. He said, I don't know about that. I think that I already moved that guy to the Supermax at night in Florence. Or maybe that's the Greek guy, Freddy Gates, or whatever his name is, Geese. Should I tell people what it is? Yeah, go ahead. Well, the inmate-- it says an inmate has been sentenced for his role in the deadly bludgeoning of infamous Boston gangster, Whitey Bulger. Paul Jay-- They call it Jero. Thank you. They call it Jero. I was-- He's from the Valley. But sure that. Was sentenced to more than four years in prison men after pleading guilty to an assault charge. Four years. Obviously, he was just the assistant, too, to this guy, the hitman from Springfield, Freddy Gates. But he was doing life anyway, so there was no downside to him. So now he's in-- but although, I guess, the Supermax is not a nice place to be in Florence, Colorado. Yeah, and it says prosecutors initially had said to call a Jero, an inmate. Freddy Gates used a lock attached to a belt repeatedly. I thought it was in a sock. I thought it was a sock. But then they decided to call a Jero had only served as a lookout and had not physically assisted-- Yeah, like the guy from Vermont that's already been cut free. And he's living in Florida. He was the third guy in it. You know, you know, you didn't have a great reaction to my news, Howie. But I have a feeling you will talk about it at some point during your show today. If I had to guess, I'll see you all tomorrow. [MUSIC PLAYING]
Grace talks to Jessica Vaughan from the Center for Immigration Studies about the price of being a sanctuary city.